"Captain Obvious": Konstantin Semin reacted to Vladimir Putin's article about Russians and Ukrainians

On the Internet, and in different countries, the discussion of an article by Russian President Vladimir Putin continues, in which the main thesis is the thesis of the unity of the Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian peoples. As Vladimir Putin has repeatedly noted, Russians, Belarusians and Ukrainians are not even three fraternal peoples, they are one people, which, due to political factors, turned out to be divided by borders.

Is the only precedent for the division of the Russian people? Of course not. To this day, the Chinese are divided in the PRC and Taiwan, the Koreans in the Republic of Korea and the DPRK. Most recently, the Germans of the Federal Republic of Germany, the German Democratic Republic and West Berlin were divided.

In his article, the President of the Russian Federation notes that Russia will never become anti-Ukraine. Although Ukraine, or rather those who are at its helm, position the country as anti-Russia. By the way, in this regard, a lot began from the time of Leonid Kuchma, who published his sensational book "Ukraine is not Russia".

Journalist Konstantin Semin also comments on the article by Vladimir Putin. In his opinion, today there is no need to try to "unravel the chromosomal bonds" 1000 years ago and try to transfer them to the present. According to the journalist, much in the president's article can be summed up under the "Captain Obvious" section.

Article by Vladimir Putin - on the Kremlin site.

Semin's reasoning:

Comments

[knn54]

In 1999, on the eve of the presidential elections, Eduard Khodos published a brochure "Leonid Kuchma - President of All Jews", in which he considered Kuchma's candidacy as a Jewish-Chabad project designed to preserve the most favorable regime for the further seizure of Ukraine by overseas Judeo-Nazis and their local fosterlings.
Zelensky openly declared during his inauguration that he was Jewish, although there is no "nationality" column in Ukrainian passports.
Therefore, ALL statements that Ukrainians and Russians are not brothers come from persons of non-Slavic nationality, no matter how they call themselves.
There is a centuries-old desire to revive Khazaria. The other does not come to mind.

[military_cat]

Quote: knn54

ALL statements that Ukrainians and Russians are not brothers come from persons of non-Slavic nationality, no matter how they call themselves.

71% of Ukrainians consider Russia an aggressor, should they be written out of the Slavs?

[URAL72]

71% of any nation, so what? Tomorrow their fate will throw them to Russia to work, - they will sing in a different way.

[Shurik70]

Quote: military_cat

71% of Ukrainians consider Russia an aggressor

Openly calling Russia a friend in Kiev is life-threatening.
Yes, just showing St. George's ribbon on May 9 is already dangerous.

[Peak]

Quote: URAL72

Tomorrow their fate will throw them to Russia to work, - they will sing in a different way.

The sound background "for the audience", yes, will probably change. But the anti-Russianness hammered into the subcortex, where will it go?

[Anachoret]

Where did you get this 71%?)))
71 Ukrainians of the world, 71 citizens of Ukraine, 71 Ukrainians by nationality and citizens of Ukraine concurrently))
After all, among these Ukrainians, still count Poroshenko (Waltzman), Tyagnibok (Frotman) and other Zelensky and Tkachenko, as Ukrainians or who?)))
Or polls of the Razumkov center) or other soros-fed social polls?)))
In fact, half of the Ukrainians do not have enough who still believe in war with Russia and aggression)))

[t-12]

What should they count? That Russia is not an aggressor? That their sons, husbands and fathers are at war with a handful of militia miners and civilians?

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

Well, let them not shoot at the miners, but shoot opposite. Who started first and who came to whom? Didn't you ask such a question at your leisure? Or do dreams of the lost occupied Crimea get in the way?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: t-12

What should they count? That Russia is not an aggressor? That their sons, husbands and fathers are at war with a handful of militia miners and civilians?

When Ukrainian nationalists from UNA-UNSO fought against the Russian army along with the Chechens on the territory of the Russian Federation, when the calculations of the Kalchuga radar station of the Buk-1 air defense missile system, consisting of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, fought against the Russian Air Force in the skies of Georgia in the war on 08.08.08, it was clear to the entire Ukrainian people that there would be a "return line" from the Russian Federation, so let them not be angry now, that

their sons, husbands and fathers

will die in the ranks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the National Battalions in the territory of Donbass ...
The Ukrainians are Russians who betrayed the Russians ... God is their judge, and the Russians are protected ...

[ivan2022]

Quote: t-12

What should they count? That Russia is not an aggressor?

I remember very well that the anti-terrorist operation in Donbass began in the spring of 2014, and they began to talk about Russia's intervention only in the summer. Don't need dirt!
With whom your sons, husbands and fathers tried to quickly deal with - no one has yet time to forget.
In addition, according to the customs of Ukraine in 2020, the "aggressor country" was the second most important trading partner of Ukraine ....
Whoever has brains on one side should go to the doctor, and not look for an "aggressor".

[Svarog]

Quote: military_cat

Quote: knn54

ALL statements that Ukrainians and Russians are not brothers come from persons of non-Slavic nationality, no matter how they call themselves.

71% of Ukrainians consider Russia an aggressor, should they be written out of the Slavs?

Brainwashed ... propaganda is a strong thing .. but to consider an aggressor and treat Russians badly is a bit different .. Last time I looked at the statistics, there were about 60% of those who treat Russia badly ... but again, not Russia means to the Russian .. to Putin's Russia .. and we have a negative attitude towards Putin's Russia ..
In general, it is necessary to unite peoples, and not to divide, especially Ukrainians and Belarusians .. but only the socialist idea can unite, capitalism can only "be friends" against someone, but not unite.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

we must talk about what the socialist idea represents.
All the same, people driven by this idea actively carried out Ukrainization, squandered Russian lands and much more, which ultimately led to the collapse.
As the saying goes madness (with a seemingly scientific approach)
I believe only in statesmen

[aybolyt678]

Quote: military_cat

71% of Ukrainians consider Russia an aggressor, should they be written out of the Slavs?

we have the same official percentage for Putin and United Russia, and what, how objective is it?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: aybolyt678

we have the same official percentage for Putin and United Russia, and what, how objective is it?

Opport the indicated figure or immediately write to the members of the forum about which party in your opinion it is objective, elections are coming soon, maybe someone will be interested in reading your political campaign ...
... here we are discussing the article ...

[avg]

You're lying. Watch the videos with polls on the streets of Kiev, I'm not talking about Odessa Nikolaev, Kharkov, etc., the overwhelming majority considers us one people.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: military_cat

Quote: knn54

ALL statements that Ukrainians and Russians are not brothers come from persons of non-Slavic nationality, no matter how they call themselves.

71% of Ukrainians consider Russia an aggressor, should they be written out of the Slavs?

Who counted or suggested by himself?

[Svarog]

Quote: knn54

The other does not come to mind.

You can discuss all sorts of versions, but the root is not in the Jews and their projects .. the root of evil is in the capitalist system, it is she who divides peoples, divides them into nationalities and incites hatred .. and this is done according to the principle of "divide and rule"

[carstorm 11]

Well, as for me, this article was written more for 404 children. And there the obvious things are ignored quite often.

[carstorm 11]

You will be poking about familiar guys with beer. To me on you. And as you say, the scribble is quite obvious and understandable to a normal person things convey. Although I have not considered bandostan either a people or a country for a long time. So. A crowd of maddened clowns on some stretch of land.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

Well, as for me, this article was written more for 404 children.

It was written for internal use. Elections are just around the corner, and there is nothing to boast of, all national projects have failed miserably, what else to do? At least try to raise the rating of the authorities. I hope this is not preparation for a "little victorious war".

[carstorm 11]

Like I read you you seemed adequate to me ... What does the election and 404 have to do with it? Everyone was tired of her for a long time. And war is not an option. There are easier ways in the face of a pandemic. Much simpler.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

What does the election and 404 have to do with it?

And you try to think, the support of the authorities and "edra", especially in the regions, at the level of statistical error. What will they do after the "elections" when the "edru" votes are finished again? Do you think people will gladly accept it? Do you think "our" oligarchs are happy with everything? I don't want to paint for a long time, you yourself will understand everything. 404 here in this article has absolutely nothing to do with it, and even more so for the Ukrainian people, it (the article) was not written for them.

[carstorm 11]

In principle, I am not altogether in politics. And I'm deeply on the drum edro or someone else. They have no differences. One chatter. It's just that now covid is orders of magnitude more important for people and to raise the rating it is enough to do something positive for the population in this direction and become their hero. Spending effort and money on 404 is just stupid.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: carstorm 11

It's just that now covid is orders of magnitude more important for people and to raise the rating it is enough to do something positive for the population in this direction and become their hero.

And you try to suggest what can be done so that the sheep are safe and the wolves are fed. Now they have thoughts about how to arrange vaccination for children with an untested substance. Do you think this will raise the rating of the authorities? The safest and most effective domestic vaccine today, as far as I know, is kovivac, but there is no Golikovskaya shobla behind it, when no one knows when they begin to vaccinate en masse.

Quote: carstorm 11

Spending effort and money on 404 is just stupid.

No, this is an old and proven way to declare external and internal enemies guilty of all troubles, and most importantly, it is completely inexpensive. It costs nothing to shake the air with aggressive rhetoric.

Quote: carstorm 11

In principle, I am not altogether in politics. And I don't care deeply about edro or someone else

You see, what is the matter, this very policy, today it is the same objective reality as a kitchen table or a cupboard, it is impossible to get around it today. In my opinion, you just need to be aware of your class interests. I don’t know whether the Communist Party expresses my class interests, but I know for sure that it doesn’t express them.

[BastaKarapuzik And]

Here it is necessary to clarify what you called the article. The president's article or the reaction of no one (unknown to anyone)
and an uninteresting journalist to her?
Putin's text should be treated with all possible attention.
See how Shariy commented on this material.

[Seryoga64]

According to the journalist, much in the president's article can be summed up under the "Captain Obvious" section.

How smart he is though.
Let him try to explain it to the Sumerians.
And the article was written for normal people who are 30 years old, 25 hours a day, they hammered into their heads from all irons that they are "different" and Russia is an enemy

[tatra]

And who drove in something? Who pitched the Russian and Ukrainian peoples? Is it possible that the Bolsheviks are to blame again?
There is nothing honest, objective, adequate in Putin's article.

[Seryoga64]

Those who hated and hates Russia. Those who were 50 years old under Soviet rule hammered into their heads that they were feeding us.
And when they separated, the same Kuchma continued. Extreme link, zelyonkin

[tatra]

Do not twist. It was precisely the enemies of the Communists who had driven them in, who had captured the Ukrainian SSR, and together with the enemies of the Communists who had captured the RSFSR, they had played off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. BUT the enemies of the communists, with their mental inclination to slanderous accusations of crimes against people, never admit guilt for their crimes.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: tatra

Do not twist

And not going to

... It was the enemies of the communists who drove in,

Who exactly? Name

BUT the enemies of the communists, with their mental inclination to slanderous accusations of crimes against people, never admit guilt for their crimes.

Ready propaganda poster from '38 last year.
Why didn't they mention the "enemies of the people"?

[K150]

Quote: tatra

Do not twist. It was precisely the enemies of the Communists who had driven them in, who had captured the Ukrainian SSR, and together with the enemies of the Communists who had captured the RSFSR, they had played off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. BUT the enemies of the communists, with their mental inclination to slanderous accusations of crimes against people, never admit guilt for their crimes.

Again you write your stupid chants about the enemies of the communists. My father, originally from Donetsk, was recorded in his passport as some kind of Ukrainian, despite the fact that half of the family is Polish, and the other is Russian. Or how the entire 20th century published books on mov, taught at school on mov, broadcast on mov. Are these the enemies of the communists? You are not a communist, but a religious fanatic, for whom capital is not a guideline and an example, but a Bible with dogmas. Come on call me the enemy of the communists.

[Svarog]

Quote: Seryoga64

Those who were still 50 years old under Soviet rule hammered into their heads that they were feeding us.

Khrushchev .. drove through his protégés in power, among whom were Bandera, whom he put in place. It all started with this urda ..

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Svarog

among which were Bandera

So he let them all out of prisons, allowed them to return and did not forbid them to go to power.

[Svarog]

Quote: Seryoga64

Quote: Svarog

among which were Bandera

So he let them all out of prisons, allowed them to return and did not forbid them to go to power.

And so it was .. this was the beginning of the collapse of the USSR ..

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Svarog

And so it was .. this was the beginning of the collapse of the USSR ..

I can't really say so, but it seems that it is

[Dart2027]

Quote: tatra

Who pitched the Russian and Ukrainian peoples? Is it possible that the Bolsheviks are to blame again?

Who created Ukraine?

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

Who created Ukraine?

Adam.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Dart2027

Who created Ukraine?

The Immaculate Conception was

[tatra]

What, again falsification of history, so beloved by the enemies of the communists? The state of Ukraine was created by the enemies of the communists, together with the rest of the enemies of the communists, who seized the republics of the USSR under the spell of "freedom and independence", and created their own separate states from them. How the enemies of the communists hate the TRUTH about themselves, about what you have done.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: tatra

It was the enemies of the communists who drove in

Quote: tatra

BUT enemies of the communists with their mental inclination

Quote: tatra

The state of Ukraine was created by the enemies of the communists

Quote: tatra

together with the rest of the enemies of the communists, who seized the republics of the USSR

You have paranoia.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: El Chuvachino

You have paranoia.

this is not paranoia and you are not a doctor

[Seryoga64]

Quote: tatra

What, again falsification of history, so beloved by the enemies of the communists? D

Not tired of weaving "enemies of the communists" into every line?
Like a broken record. Nobody needs you for a vegetable.
You smell like mothballs for a kilometer

[Svarog]

Quote: Seryoga64

Nobody needs you for a vegetable.
You smell like mothballs for a kilometer

It's not good to insult your opponent, and even more so a woman ..

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Svarog

Insult your opponent

I didn't want to, but the constant mention of "enemies of the communists" is already in the liver. Moreover, the accusation that I was allegedly getting out of it, also pissed me off.

and even more so a woman is not good.

I completely agree, now I will apologize

[K150]

Quote: Svarog

Quote: Seryoga64

Nobody needs you for a vegetable.
You smell like mothballs for a kilometer

It's not good to insult your opponent, and even more so a woman ..

The henpecked man is drawn, a woman will pour a bucket of shit on your face, you will continue to smile and be polite. The fact that she, like a mad dog, throws herself at everyone and broadcasts labels speaks of mental problems.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Seryoga64

You smell like mothballs for a kilometer

From you comes the zaputin troll. All comments are in the style of urya.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Ingvar 72

From you it carries zaputinskaya

Just told me

Insulting your opponent is not good.

I don’t have any style. I say what I think on this issue.
I am not in the habit of criticizing, as well as praising everything.

[Dart2027]

Quote: tatra

the state of Ukraine was created by the enemies of the communists

Lenin?

[Seryoga64]

Ioina, please excuse me

[aybolyt678]

Quote: tatra

What, again falsification of history, so beloved by the enemies of the communists?

Dear Irina! we live in a world of symbols. In our time, the word communist is a symbol of more powerlessness than victory. Yeltsins, Gorbachevs, Khrushchevs and others. defiled the concept.
It is another matter that the West is still afraid of the revival of an Ideology in which the public is higher than the personal. Therefore, I propose to use the term Socialism

[ccsr]

Quote: aybolyt678

In our time, the word communist is a symbol of more powerlessness than victory. Yeltsins, Gorbachevs, Khrushchevs and others. defiled the concept.

This is mainly for those who did not work during the Soviet era, and do not know those communists who lived next to them. The older generation, if it did not completely lose its brains, know very well that the then general secretaries looked poorer than church mice, compared to the current rulers of destinies. So the communists did not defame themselves in front of the people, and this is evident after 30 years, as they are not in power. And there have always been reincarnations, and under the kings too.

Quote: aybolyt678

It is another matter that the West is still afraid of the revival of an Ideology in which the public is higher than the personal.

I completely agree with this, which is why they will not calm down until they have ruined Russia, like Yugoslavia.

Quote: aybolyt678

Therefore, I propose to use the term Socialism

It can also be called a humane society, for those who are cut off by the words Marx, Lenin, communism, socialism.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: ccsr

This is mainly for those who did not work during the USSR and do not know those communists.

it is mainly for the owners of clip thinking for whom Stalin is repression, Brezhnev is stagnation ... for whom thinking for more than 4 seconds is a luxury.

Quote: ccsr

You can also call it a humane society,

the word humanism has a close meaning to the word pity. Pity is sometimes humiliating, therefore unacceptable. But Socialism is the very thing.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dart2027

Who created Ukraine?

Germans. Did not know?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Germans.

Truth? The Germans came up with it, and who created it?

[datura23]

burnt mummy?

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: tatra

Are the Bolsheviks again to blame?

but did not the communists allow the collapse of the USSR? but did not the communists bring the country to this collapse? and wasn’t the communists building communism since 17 and it’s bullshit? there was a state, hungry, somewhere flawed, but it was and it was the communists who sold it to the states of the USSR! neither liberals, nor crap, namely the party functionaries of the Communist Party! Therefore, they need to shut up and repent for the collapse of a great country, which could be great and well-fed and progressive to this day !!

[ccsr]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

but did not the communists allow the collapse of the USSR? but did not the communists bring the country to this collapse?

These are the ones who allowed the collapse of the USSR when they went to the rallies yelling "Down with the KPSS"

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

These are the ones who allowed the collapse of the USSR

And the party elite has nothing to do with it?

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

And the party elite has nothing to do with it?

Stalin once said after the Second World War that we should have been kicked out of power after the loss of territories, but the people believed the Bolsheviks and we won. And our people suddenly decided that in peacetime it is possible to expel the Bolsheviks, now many are slurping shit to the fullest. As for the top of the CPSU, there turned out to be individuals who were incapable of uniting the people in difficult times, I do not deny this. But this does not justify the foolishness of those who abandoned the gains of the proletarian revolution - they wanted to dream of how they would become millionaires. Now an epiphany has come, but it's too late - Putin will be removed, some kind of balabol will come in the style of Zhirinovsky or Zelensky and hello to the 90s, but it won't be otherwise ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

But this does not excuse the foolishness of those who

Do you seriously believe that these crowds on the streets were deciding something? Yes, millions of naive people lived in the USSR ... this is a fact, but they did not decide.

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

Do you seriously believe that these crowds on the streets were deciding something?

Yes, that was exactly what happened, because the officers were told at the meetings so that in no case would they decide to take up arms in order to disperse various bastards on their own initiative. The leaders of the CPSU were simply demoralized by the manifestation of dissatisfaction with the peoples, which is why they did not give the command to such generals as Radionov to suppress the demonstrations of the protesters.

Quote: Dart2027

Yes, millions of naive people lived in the USSR ... this is a fact, but they did not decide.

And why are these "naive" so eager to change the government? Well, if they wanted to preserve the gains of the October Revolution for the working people, they would hardly agree to hand over the people's wealth to the scoundrels. And you see, you want to live like in the West - now we live, only there are more and more aching every year.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

The top of the CPSU were simply demoralized by the manifestation of dissatisfaction with the peoples

Uh-huh. How miserable and weak the USSR was in the opinion of the communists themselves. His top officials were frightened by some bawlers, and they tell us here that he was butting with the United States.

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

Uh-huh. How miserable and weak the USSR was in the opinion of the communists themselves.

This is a strange conclusion, because the authorities in the USSR were not afraid of an external threat, but they were not mentally ready for internal disorder - not everyone would dare to give the command to shoot at their people.

Quote: Dart2027

and here they rub in on us that he was butting with the United States.

Butting, butting - until now, the security of Russia is being built on the Soviet nuclear potential.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

but they were not mentally ready for internal disorder - not everyone would dare to give the command to shoot at their people

People who have been at the very top for years (and in the real world this can only be done by walking over the heads of competitors) suddenly became so kind. Not tired of telling fairy tales? The party elite passed it to the USSR, and everything else is just decorations.

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

People who have been at the very top for years (and in the real world this can only be done by walking over the heads of competitors) suddenly became so kind.

How do you know what those people were capable of, even if there was no general opinion on Afghanistan, our troops were brought in only for a certain time, and even then under pressure from Andropov.

Quote: Dart2027

Not tired of telling fairy tales?

I lived then, and you lived so that you could tell me what is fairytale and what is not?

Quote: Dart2027

The party elite passed it to the USSR, and everything else is just decorations.

Those. you want to say that the leadership of the CPSU is to blame for not giving the command to shoot the protesting Soviet people? Yes, you just have no idea how it could end for us ...

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

How do you know what those people were capable of

I know that when it comes to big power and / or big money, they always went over their heads and gnawed their throats at competitors. This is the whole history of mankind.

Quote: ccsr

even if there was no general opinion on Afghanistan

Because some were smart enough to understand that the USSR was getting involved in a long-term conflict, and would not get a "small victorious war"?

Quote: ccsr

I lived then and you lived

He lived.

Quote: ccsr

Those. you want to say that the leadership of the CPSU is to blame for

purposefully destroying the country? Yes, guilty.

Quote: ccsr

You just have no idea how it could end for us.

Well, what then?

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

This is the whole history of mankind.

Is it okay that the Soviet state raised its citizens in a completely different spirit than all of humanity?

Quote: Dart2027

Because some were smart enough to understand

It turns out that in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, not all fools were and were worried about the citizens, even though you admitted that.

Quote: Dart2027

Lived

At what age they were at the time of the collapse - it is interesting to understand.

Quote: Dart2027

Well, what then?

More protective than in 1917 - that's for sure.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

Is it okay that the Soviet state raised its citizens in a completely different spirit than all of humanity?

Uh-huh, and then in the 90s the Martians staged a criminal chaos.

Quote: ccsr

It turns out that in the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, not all fools were

Fools? You are confusing something, there were traitors, not fools.

Quote: ccsr

What age were at the time of the collapse

High school.

Quote: ccsr

More protective than in 1917 - that's for sure.

Do the Chinese know? They somehow got along.

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

Uh-huh, and then in the 90s the Martians staged a criminal chaos.

After any revolutions and upheavals in countries, anarchy arises and banditry appears - this is the history of mankind, you did not know about it?

Quote: Dart2027

Fools? You are confusing something, there were traitors, not fools.

I do not confuse anything, because there were traitors in the ranks of the CPSU, but there was no mass betrayal among the party members. There were fools in the party and they believed too much in ideology, forgetting about the essentials, and this was their mistake.

Quote: Dart2027

High school.

We have too different experiences of life in the USSR, you simply did not see much.

Quote: Dart2027

Do the Chinese know? They somehow got along.

Yes, not entirely bypassed, judging by the Red Guards and reeducation through labor in the fields.
We could not agree to this, our people are too independent, it is in our blood.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

After any revolutions and upheavals in countries, anarchy arises and banditry appears

But what about the mantra that they say

Quote: ccsr

the Soviet state brought up citizens in a completely different spirit than all of humanity

It turns out that it was not cast in any way?

Quote: ccsr

I do not confuse anything, because there were traitors in the ranks of the CPSU, but there was no mass betrayal among the party members.

there are no ordinary members, and almost all of the top has been sold.

Quote: ccsr

you just haven't seen a lot.

Yes, yes, yes ... For example, one "who saw" me here was proving that there were no repeat offenders in the USSR.

Quote: ccsr

Yes, not entirely done

One square with tanks and an order to restore order was enough.

Quote: ccsr

We could not agree to this, our people are too independent, it is in our blood.

That is, the Russians are barbarians incapable of state building?

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

That is, the Russians are barbarians incapable of state building?

This is your personal primitive interpretation of my text - we created the newest state in the history of mankind called the USSR, and you didn’t even realize it.

Quote: Dart2027

For example, one "who saw" me here was proving that there were no repeat offenders in the USSR.

There were, of course, even in the Criminal Code it was fixed. Apparently this "specialist" of yours did not live then.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

This is your personal primitive interpretation of my text - we have created the newest state in the history of mankind called the USSR,

Well, you are saying that Russians are a people who are generally incapable of discipline.

Quote: ccsr

Apparently this "specialist" of yours did not live then.

He swore that he lived on the same site.

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

Well, you are saying that Russians are a people who are generally incapable of discipline.

Able to discipline, but in difficult times under the leadership of the CPSU party, and not the modern United Russia. As for self-discipline, I can argue that we are more indifferent than the same Germans, even with the example of vaccinations against covid.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

Capable of discipline, but in difficult times under the leadership of the CPSU party

The history of the CPSU is not even one-tenth of the history of the Russian people, and they did well without it.

[ccsr]

Quote: Dart2027

The history of the CPSU is not even one-tenth of the history of the Russian people, and they did well without it.

He is doing especially well without it now, judging by the fact that at this forum the majority curse the current government and remember Stalin.

[Dart2027]

Quote: ccsr

most curse the current government and remember Stalin

But who of this majority is ready to work like under Stalin?

[Erik]

The 90s will come only on one condition! If one bourgeoisie overthrows another bourgeoisie (greetings from Ukraine in 2014). Those who are now in power, all-powerful want to cement the current state of affairs. Will it be necessary to calm the people down with banditry on the street? Easily! Will it be necessary to use PMCs, the army and the police? Easily! But what about the people? As long as people think that they have something to lose, they will sit on sofas! BUT, the refrigerator will win and their "seat"! And the Kremlin is well aware of this. So the 15 ruble ones have become more active! And the article is stupid and talentless! Semin points to this, but many locals listen poorly, and read even worse! And they think even worse! I have a question, when people will pour out into the streets (and he will come out), 15 rubles (not to the author of the comment), what are you going to shout? And most importantly, where to hide?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Erik

As long as people think that they have something to lose, they will sit on sofas! BUT, the refrigerator will win and their "seat"!

But in Ukraine they have been sitting with an empty refrigerator for a long time, sitting silently and waiting for the fat for the communal apartment, which they will receive in September, after which they will continue to sit and rejoice that they are not yet subject to restitution norms and are not evicted from the houses in which they were born. but previously belonged to others ...

And the article is stupid and talentless!

We have not read yours, so there is nothing to compare with ...

Semin points to this, but many locals listen poorly, and read even worse! And they think even worse!

Local (as you put it, and whom you hate out of habit, for disagreeing with your opinion) are kind forum users, somehow they will identify and appreciate this article and Semin himself without you ...

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Lara Croft

Local (as you put it, and whom you hate out of habit, for disagreeing with your opinion) are kind forum users, somehow they will identify and appreciate this article and Semin himself without you ...

And we have appreciated and have seen 15 rubles for a long time, and just the same stupid.

[Erik]

Quote: Lara Croft

Quote: Erik

As long as people think that they have something to lose, they will sit on sofas! BUT, the refrigerator will win and their "seat"!

But in Ukraine they have been sitting with an empty refrigerator for a long time, sitting silently and waiting for the fat for the communal apartment, which they will receive in September, after which they will continue to sit and rejoice that they are not yet subject to restitution norms and are not evicted from the houses in which they were born. but previously belonged to others ...

And the article is stupid and talentless!

We have not read yours, so there is nothing to compare with ...

Semin points to this, but many locals listen poorly, and read even worse! And they think even worse!

Local (as you put it, and whom you hate out of habit, for disagreeing with your opinion) are kind forum users, somehow they will identify and appreciate this article and Semin himself without you ...

Did they tell you this on TV? You are not careful! Reread again, Ukraine and the Russian Federation, these are two sides of the same coin! About "hate" - you just can't pour it into my ears! You can spy on my articles from Lenin! :)

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Erik

15 rubles (not to the author of the comment), what are you going to shout?

And we are what they will shout for.)))) They always shout like that.

Quote: Erik

And most importantly, where to hide?

They do not think about it, because there is nothing.

[ccsr]

Quote: Erik

And most importantly, where to hide?

Why would I hide in my own country? I, like my ancestors, have always lived here and endured all the hardships with my people, and I'm not going to run away from them.

Quote: Erik

Those who are now in power, all-powerful want to cement the current state of affairs.

And this is good, because we will not allow a mess in our country - we are not Ukraine, and we have nuclear weapons, and therefore there can be no bacchanalia in principle.

Quote: Erik

Will it be necessary to calm the people down with banditry on the street?

It is not entirely clear - banditry must be suppressed in any case, regardless of the will of the people. So it was during the October Revolution, what is surprising for you now?

Quote: Erik

As long as people think that they have something to lose, they will sit on sofas!

I agree with that.

Quote: Erik

BUT, the refrigerator will win and their "seat"!

With our harvests and gold and foreign exchange reserves, you will not wait for this.

Quote: Erik

And the Kremlin is well aware of this.

The Kremlin realizes a lot, which is why Putin sits permanently more than Brezhnev. So even from this point of view, the authorities are not as stupid as many people here think. Moreover, those who lived in the 90s understand this.

[URAL72]

Here they are handsome - half a million in Moscow alone.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: ccsr

These are the ones who allowed the collapse of the USSR

naive, he believes in leftist standards, it's like believing in art films, the Communist Party of the Soviet Union and the KGB + Army - all active members of the cash registers could disperse and imprison any rallies, but no half ran over and betrayed, and you are the Communist Party

[Vadim237]

By this time, the CPSU had finally lost the confidence of the people - and they aroused more anger in people from which such posters appeared.

[ccsr]

Quote: Vadim237

By this time, the CPSU had finally lost the confidence of the people - and they aroused more anger in people from which such posters appeared.

And thanks to this "malice" they handed over all the national property into the hands of various crooks, and now they moan that they have nothing to live on - wasn’t their "malice" too expensive for the country, especially in the nineties?
Or is it difficult for you to admit that our people at that critical moment proved to be a complete fool?

[Vadim237]

They groan that there is nothing to live on - only loafers.

[tatra]

Well, yes, YOU, the enemies of the communists, in your Perestroika seized the republics of the USSR, imposed on them and their peoples YOURSELF in power, YOUR System, YOUR economy, YOUR ideology - an evil, slanderous anti-Soviet with your hypocritical "philanthropy", and justification of the criminals of the Soviet period , but you have the communists to blame.
BUT you all clung to the republics of the USSR that you captured, and you will never give them up to the communists and their supporters.

[Gardamir]

and did not the communists bring the country to this collapse?

Yes, that's right. The communist Kudrin recently talked about why the USSR collapsed. And the communist Putin gathered all the communists nearby.
Aren't you tired of repeating this nonsense yourself? According to you, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the communists, and in 1945 the Georgievites, led by Nikolai, won2.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Gardamir

In your opinion, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the communists, and in 1945, the Georgievites, led by Nikolai, won2.

In our USSR, at the suggestion of the West, the corrupt enemies of the socialist system with party cards in their pockets, by bribery and flattery, who were promoted to the upper echelons of power, were destroyed by the West. It was they who began to build a separate individual happiness for a group of sympathizers denounced with the powers of party control and the rights of a committee. Betrayal came out of the walls of the building behind F.E.Dzerzhinsky's back. But one of the versions will suit you:

or:

Do not torment our minds with what everyone knows.

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Gardamir

In your opinion, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the communists, and in 1945 the Georgievites won

The USSR was sold by the communists and they alone

Quote: Gardamir

and in 1945 the Georgievites won

defeated the Soviet people, for the most part non-partisan

[Matroskin]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

The USSR was sold by the communists and they alone

A party member and a communist are not the same thing. Careerists are not communists, hucksters with party membership cards are not communists either. Khodorkovsky is not a communist, although he was a Komsomol leader. Saint Sobchak is not a communist, but he was a member. Vlasov, by the way, was not a communist either, but he was a party card.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

defeated the Soviet people, for the most part non-partisan

Yes, yes, exactly in spite of! And what about the 4 million dead members of the CPSU (b), who were the first to rise in the attack, those real communists? And what about the selfless Komsomol members, where will the dead go? On June 22, every second soldier was in the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks or the Komsomol.
But in the fantasy universe "The Russia We Lost" we won, because the main thing is "One people, one faith, one blood!" and went on the attack under the shouts of "God is with us!")) ... oh ... this is from the other side of the ROA proclaimed, with their friends, who Gott mit Uns))

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Matroskin

And what about the 4 million dead members of the CPSU (b)

and where will you go to the 24 million dead non-partisans?
it was the communists who sold the USSR, sold meanly. - so no respect for them!
you, too, are a fantasy about screaming for Stalin, hurray, there was no such thing ... swearing and just yelling, but with stupid slogans - this is Stalinist propaganda
and in the first weeks of the fighting, the communists surrendered in batches, however, like the others, and Vlasov was a true party member

[Matroskin]

Danila Dmitrievich is not you, but you. Where did I write "For Stalin, Hurray!"
Non-partisan not 24 million. "The total possible losses of members of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks in the USSR Armed Forces in 1941-45 - 4. Losses of Komsomol members in the USSR Armed Forces for 139-000 - 1941". V. IVOV, volume 45, p. 5 Military Publishing, 130-542 6 365 1961 people are civilian losses, and among them there were also communists and Komsomol members, though I don’t know how many millions.

Quote: Sandor Clegane

and in the first weeks of fighting, the communists surrendered in batches

How many communist deserters were there as a percentage? So far, you only hear hysteria and propaganda ... Vlasov's)) Leave it to the exalted ladies and adolescents, maximalists. Although ... what if you ...
Let's end this.

[Matroskin]

The logic of a teenage maximalist or professional chatterbox propagandist is still with you. With which I congratulate you.

[Svarog]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

but did not the communists allow the collapse of the USSR? but did not the communists bring the country to this collapse?

Who do you mean exactly now? Do you want to say Gorbachev is a communist? Or Putin?
Communists at the top of the government began to end back in the 70s .. they were squeezed out by opportunists and crooks, whose goal was one - power and money. These people cannot be called communists.

and wasn’t the communists building communism since 17 and it’s bullshit?

This "garbage" has crushed half of the world under itself and has become the leading one in almost all spheres of life.

there was a state, hungry, somewhere flawed, but it was and it was the communists who sold it to the states of the USSR! neither liberals, nor crap, namely the party functionaries of the Communist Party! Therefore, they need to shut up and repent for the collapse of a great country, which could be great and well-fed and progressive to this day !!

Vlasov .. was a traitor .. but this does not mean that communism is a bad and wrong idea, it means that the elite selection system worked poorly .. And Stalin simply did not have time to change it .. although there were plans and this turned out to be decisive in the collapse of the empire. because of the wrong system, Khrushch came to power ... and then decomposition began.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Svarog

Communists at the top of the government began to end back in the 70s .. they were squeezed out by opportunists and crooks, whose goal was one - power and money. These people cannot be called communists.

Instead of the slogan: "Communists - Forward!" the slogan came out: "Communists first!"
These upheavals at the top and stirred up society, starting with an organized food crisis, when food products fell not into stores, but into private cooperative hands. This was the period of capital accumulation at the expense of the state. The cooperative movement under the SMS is legalized speculation (goods produced at state-owned enterprises were bought at the state price, and sold at a cooperative margin).
And the people hated not the CPSU and socialism, but those creatures that were sitting in the Kremlin and conducting experiments on the population of the USSR. They did not give a damn about the results of the referendum, just to get to power and then, in a drunken stupor, disgrace the country in front of the whole world. Shit. Damn all these geeks!

[Sandor Clegane]

Quote: Svarog

but that doesn't mean communism is a bad and wrong idea

utopia is a bad idea, since the result will not work, and destinies and lives in the process of movement will be destroyed

[Vadim237]

Who do you mean exactly now? Do you want to say Gorbachev is a communist? Or Putin? They are not Communists - they are aliens from Mars - who grew up in the Soviet system, got a Soviet education, got a job in the Soviet system and rose to the top with the help of the same Soviet social elevator.
"This" garbage "crushed half of the world under itself and became advanced in almost all spheres of life" .. In what areas it was advanced - except for the nuclear industry and astronautics, and even then the latter, after the 69th, began to pass the US championship.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

but did not the communists allow the collapse of the USSR? but did not the communists bring the country to this collapse?

Wasn't Putin a communist? And, unlike Yeltsin, he did not tore his party card.
And it is not right to hang all the dogs on the communists - there are renegades, opportunists and traitors in any party. But EP outdid everyone in this - all the scoundrels, traitors are there. The only party where there are no honest people.

[ANB]

... The only party where there are no honest people.

Most likely there is. Purely according to statistics.
Is there another party without these shortcomings and with honest people?

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: ANB

Is there another party without these shortcomings and with honest people?

There should not be such parties a priori. But there is a party capable of soberly weighing events and restoring socialism in a renewed form. DZNS. True, the party leader was so dangerous for the current government that they did not disdain to open a criminal case against him and deprive him of the right to take part in elections.
I will not talk about the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. There is only Zyuganov, which stands together with the communists, who endure this senile marasmus. But this is some kind of alternative.
Honestly, GAZ had to leave in disgrace after the 1996 elections. And he was fed along with "a group of Duma comrades." Even during the election campaign, we did not hear well-reasoned speeches from this faction.
Bondarenko, the only opposition representative, was removed from the elections in a single-mandate constituency, paired with Volodin. What is it called? BETRAYAL! Although, there is an assumption that Nikolai was thereby saved from ... removal from the election race. And today he is walking in a different district, with a less significant enemy.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ANB

Is there another party without these shortcomings and with honest people?

As I said, there are renegades everywhere, the question is in percentage.

[ANB]

... renegades are everywhere, the question is in percentage

So who to vote for?

[Ingvar 72]

I will be for the communists. For from my point of view, only they have a clear program.

[ANB]

... I will be for the communists. For from my point of view, only they have a clear program.

The Communist Party already had a majority and did nothing. Although there really isn't anyone else. I vote for Zhirik in the presidential elections, but I don’t like the Liberal Democratic Party. And what about the communists of Russia?

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: ANB

And what about the communists of Russia?

A spoiler that directly sided with the authorities in the presidential elections. The Liberal Democratic Party really fell into disrepair, first of all Zhirik. Although there are honest deputies, which cannot be said about United Russia.

[Vadim237]

"But EP has outdone everyone in this - all the scoundrels, traitors are there. The only party where there are no honest people." Himself checked each one to make such a conclusion?

[Ingvar 72]

Yes, all there are scum, who do not take, and start to study the inside story.

[tovarich-andrey.62goncharov]

It (article) is simply written for people who have brains and understand the term "analyze". Alas...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: tatra

There is nothing honest, objective, adequate in Putin's article.

The article probably contains ... but in his attitude to his duties as a guarantor ... ???

[Private89]

Historian about Putin's article and anti-communist Ukrainization

[ccsr]

Quote: Private 89

Historian about Putin's article and anti-communist Ukrainization

Indeed, E. Spitsyn is today an outstanding historian and patriot of Russia, and everyone who wants the good of their Motherland should listen to his words.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Including those who called themselves communis and bolshiviks.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: tatra

And who drove in something? Who pitted the Russian and Ukrainian peoples?

A rhetorical question, Irina.)))) Those who are "at the helm" today in Russia and Ukraine. Those. these very enemies of the communists, renegades from the CPSU and other nasty things that have seized power.

[Pico]

Since 2014, to be precise

[Alexander Gladkikh]

Kolchak did not have British citizenship. The red-shirted man has completely lied to.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Alexander Gladkikh

Kolchak did not have British citizenship. The red-shirted man has completely lied to.

what did he do in America before becoming the ruler of Siberia?

[Svarog]

Quote: aybolyt678

Quote: Alexander Gladkikh

Kolchak did not have British citizenship. The red-shirted man has completely lied to.

what did he do in America before becoming the ruler of Siberia?

He asked for money to fight .. and after the USA, he got to England .. where he asked for several months there .. of course he signed something, of course he was recruited ... Kolchak betrayed Russia ..

[Alexander Gladkikh]

And what does British citizenship have to do with it?

[Mikhail Tynda]

I agree. Kolchak did not have British citizenship. But this did not prevent him from using foreign aid. In the interests, as it seemed to him, of Russia, but in reality not.

[Matroskin]

"... I turned, through the British ambassador in Tokyo, to the British government with a request to accept me for service, so that I could participate in the war and thereby fulfill my duty to the Motherland and its allies." - A. V. Kolchak December 30, 1917 Kolchak received a message about the appointment to the Mesopotamian front.
So Kolchak became a British officer and a doll that is pulled over the backside of the hand.

[codetalker]

Another Russophobic talking head, which is presented to us as a super-patriot ...

[t-12]

What did the head say so Russophobic?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: codetalker

Another Russophobic talking head, which is presented to us as a super-patriot ...

Are you talking about yourself? It is commendable, self-criticism cannot but impress.

[codetalker]

Do you also like kindergarten humor?)

[Vadim237]

Semin is a pure pseudo-communist populist balabolka - a soup of everything with beautiful noodles, but he actively wants to become a red borscht so that everyone would actively slurp him.

[Dart2027]

A convinced communist is trying to get away from the uncomfortable question "who created this Ukraine and why?"

In the text of the Declaration on the Formation of the USSR, and then in the Constitution of the USSR of 1924, the right of free withdrawal of the republics from the Union was introduced. Thus, the most dangerous "time bomb" was laid in the foundation of our statehood.

In the 20s and 30s, the Bolsheviks actively promoted the policy of "indigenousization", which was carried out in the Ukrainian SSR as Ukrainization. It is symbolic that within the framework of this policy, with the consent of the Soviet authorities, M. Hrushevsky returned to the USSR and was elected a member of the Academy of Sciences - the former chairman of the Central Rada, one of the ideologists of Ukrainian nationalism, who at one time enjoyed the support of Austria-Hungary.

It was the Soviet national policy - instead of a large Russian nation, a triune people consisting of Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians - that consolidated the provision on three separate Slavic peoples at the state level: Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian.

The Bolsheviks treated the Russian people as an inexhaustible material for social experiments. They dreamed of a world revolution, which, in their opinion, would abolish nation-states altogether. Therefore, borders were arbitrarily cut, and generous territorial "gifts" were handed out.

Well, where is Putin wrong?

[t-12]

Putin is wrong that (in his opinion) the country's unity is guaranteed by some piece of paper. The Russian empire collapsed, although there were no allied treaties and there was no right to secede from the empire either. Crimea and Donbass fled from Ukraine, although there was no right to secede from Ukraine either.

In addition, it is incomprehensible: Putin wants a "big triune nation", he does not like "separate Slavic peoples", but at the same time he signs amendments to the constitution, which introduces the concept of "a union of multinational peoples." Where is the logic?

[Dart2027]

Quote: t-12

Putin is wrong that (in his opinion) the unity of the country is guaranteed by some piece of paper.

Not guaranteed. But it is they who facilitate or complicate the collapse of the country. Crimea would not have been able to do anything without the help of Russia.

Quote: t-12

but at the same time he signed amendments to the constitution, which introduced the concept of "union of multinational peoples." Where is the logic?

Well, you can't call some Tatars Russians. Russia is indeed a multinational country, but the division of Russians into separate peoples is another matter.

[t-12]

But it is they who facilitate or complicate the collapse of the country.

How? If such and such a nation decides (rightly or wrongly - it doesn't matter) that secession is beneficial to it, it will secede, regardless of any laws and treaties.

[Dart2027]

Quote: t-12

How so?

Those that make this very exit difficult and facilitate its suppression.

[tatra]

Stop lying, the Bolsheviks did not create any State of Ukraine. And Putin created another myth that after the October Revolution there was some kind of State of Russia, from which the Bolsheviks took away territories and gave them to the republics of the USSR.

[Dart2027]

Quote: tatra

Stop lying, the Bolsheviks did not create any State of Ukraine

Please show the map of the state of Ukraine, before 1917.

Quote: tatra

And Putin created another myth that after the October Revolution there was some kind of State of Russia

Russia appeared long before your wet fantasies.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

Please show the map of the state of Ukraine, before 1917.

It is said above

Quote: Private 89

Historian about Putin's article and anti-communist Ukrainization

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: tatra
And Putin created another myth that after the October Revolution there was some kind of State of Russia

Russia appeared long before your wet fantasies.

Where, after the October Revolution, was there a State of Russia? Do not play up, but answer directly.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

It is said above

Quote: Dart2027

A convinced communist is trying to get away from the uncomfortable question "who created this Ukraine and why?"

In the text of the Declaration on the Formation of the USSR, and then in the Constitution of the USSR of 1924, the right of free withdrawal of the republics from the Union was introduced. Thus, the most dangerous "time bomb" was laid in the foundation of our statehood.

In the 20s and 30s, the Bolsheviks actively promoted the policy of "indigenousization", which was carried out in the Ukrainian SSR as Ukrainization. It is symbolic that within the framework of this policy, with the consent of the Soviet authorities, M. Hrushevsky returned to the USSR and was elected a member of the Academy of Sciences - the former chairman of the Central Rada, one of the ideologists of Ukrainian nationalism, who at one time enjoyed the support of Austria-Hungary.

It was the Soviet national policy - instead of a large Russian nation, a triune people consisting of Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians - that consolidated the provision on three separate Slavic peoples at the state level: Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian.

The Bolsheviks treated the Russian people as an inexhaustible material for social experiments. They dreamed of a world revolution, which, in their opinion, would abolish nation-states altogether. Therefore, borders were arbitrarily cut, and generous territorial "gifts" were handed out.

Well, where is Putin wrong?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Where, after the October Revolution, was there a State of Russia?

Russia existed long before any revolution there.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

Russia existed long before any revolution there.

The question was:

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: aleksejkabanets
Where, after the October Revolution, was there a State of Russia?

Did you answer it? Or are you confusing the concepts of country and state?

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The question sounded like this

And the answer sounded like this

Quote: Dart2027

Russia existed long before any revolution there.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Or are you confusing the concepts of country and state?

And what is a country without a state? I remember Solzhenitsyn also fought only with the state ... Like Sakharov ... Like Navalny ... Like Vlasov ... In short, the favorite excuse of all kinds of traitors.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

And what is a country without a state? I remember Solzhenitsyn also fought only with the state ... Like Sakharov ... Like Navalny ... Like Vlasov ... In short, the favorite excuse of all kinds of traitors.

How did you study at school? Did you teach social studies in your school? Let me tell you a secret, the country and the state are completely different concepts. "The state is a political form of organization of society in a certain territory, a sovereign organization of public power, with an apparatus of government and coercion, to which the entire population of the country is subject." This is from wikipedia. “The state is a machine for oppressing one class by another, a machine for keeping other subordinate classes in subjection to one class” (VI Lenin, Complete Works, 5th ed., V.39, p.75). Which definition do you like best? "A country is a territory that has certain national, climatic (climatic countries and regions), cultural (cultural countries and regions), historical (historical countries and regions) or political borders. A country can either have its own state sovereignty or be under the sovereignty of another states (colonies, wards) "BES M .: AST, 2005 You should improve your knowledge in social sciences, otherwise you are making gross logical mistakes. Lenin, Stalin, Kerensky, Guchkov, and many others fought with the state, but not with the country, and only complete inadequacy can call them traitors.)))) Are you going to shove Navalny into every hole now?

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

How did you study at school? Did you teach social studies in your school?

Well, how is it possible to have a country without a state? Just territory? Well then, record the entire solar system in my country. The territory is the same.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Lenin, Stalin, Kerensky, Guchkov, and many others fought with the state, but not with the country and

Quote: Dart2027

I remember Solzhenitsyn also fought only with the state ... Like Sakharov ... Like Navalny ... Like Vlasov ... In short, the favorite excuse of all kinds of traitors.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

Well, how is it possible to have a country without a state?

Palestine, the Basque country, Catalonia, Kurdistan, India, while it was a British colony, etc., were you not very good with geography?

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: aleksejkabanets
Lenin, Stalin, Kerensky, Guchkov, and many others fought with the state, but not with the country and

Quote: Dart2027
I remember Solzhenitsyn also fought only with the state ... Like Sakharov ... Like Navalny ... Like Vlasov ... In short, the favorite excuse of all kinds of traitors.

There it is, Mikhalych! You have both Peter the first and Catherine the second, and perhaps Minin and Pozharsky turned out to be the same traitors? But what can we say then about Dmitry Donskoy, he then unambiguously rebelled against his state? Or Ivan the Third? Did you go to school at all?

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Palestine, Basque Country, Catalonia, Kurdistan, India

Do they have no state? Palestine has. The Basque Country is Spain, which has a state, Catalonia is the same. Kurdistan does not exist in nature, there is a Kurdish people, but they do not have their own statehood, but are included in other states. India, while it was a colony, was conquered and was part of the English state. Are there any more absurdities?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

You have both Peter the first and Catherine the second

And they fought with their state? And when?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

yes, perhaps Minin and Pozharsky also turned out to be traitors

And when they fought with Russia?
Did you go to school at all?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

India, while it was a colony, was conquered and was part of the English state.

Did the Indians have their own state? Palestine is only building its own state, although this country is not one thousand years old. Can you remember the recent attempts by the Basque country and Catalonia to build their own states? There is a definition in the BES "A country is a territory that has certain national, climatic (climatic countries and regions), cultural (cultural countries and regions), historical (historical countries and regions) or political boundaries. A country can both have its own state sovereignty and be under the sovereignty of another state (colonies, trust territories) ". Do you want to refute it?

Quote: Dart2027

You have both Peter the first and Catherine the second
And they fought with their state? And when?

You didn't learn history at all in school? Both Peter the First and Catherine the Second came to power as a result of a coup d'état.

Quote: Dart2027

yes, perhaps Minin and Pozharsky also turned out to be traitors
And when they fought with Russia?

There is no need to substitute concepts. Let's start with the fact that Russia did not yet exist, there was the Moscow state. And Minin and Pozharsky opposed the state headed by Catholics and Uniates.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Did the Indians have their own state?

When were they a colony? Yes. English. They didn't like it very much (for obvious reasons) but it was.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Palestine is only building its own state, although this country is not one thousand years old.

AND? There is a fact that there is no state and no country.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

A country can either have its own state sovereignty or be under the sovereignty of another state (colonies, trust territories)

That is, again, there is no state, no country. The state can be someone else's (conqueror) or your own, but it always exists. When it is someone else's, sometimes they struggle with it to create their own.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Both Peter the First and Catherine the Second came to power as a result of a coup d'état.

Peter the First and the coup !!! He was the legitimate king, and Sophia tried to seize power. Catherine II did not fight the state, she seized power in the state.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Let's start with the fact that Russia did not yet exist, there was the Moscow state.

So what? Does this change something fundamentally?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

And Minin and Pozharsky opposed the state headed by Catholics and Uniates.

They opposed another state in order to defend their own. That is, they fought with Poland.
Did you get two or one at school?

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Dart2027

When were they a colony? Yes. English.

So this state was the Hindus or the British? The Indians had a country, but they did not have their own state.

Quote: Dart2027

AND? There is a fact that there is no state and no country.

There is a people, there is a country, statehood and sovereignty in the process of formation.

Quote: Dart2027

Quote: aleksejkabanets
A country can either have its own state sovereignty or be under the sovereignty of another state (colonies, trust territories)

That is, again, there is no state, no country. The state can be someone else's (conqueror) or your own, but it always exists. When it is someone else's, sometimes they struggle with it to create their own.

Rarely met characters trying to challenge BES, I cannot call them adequate.

Quote: Dart2027

Peter the First and the coup !!! He was the legitimate king, and Sophia tried to seize power.

Especially for those who did not study history, Peter destroyed the boyar state headed by Sophia and began to rely on the nobility.

Quote: Dart2027

Catherine II did not fight the state, she seized power in the state.

Catherine made a coup d'etat, with well-known reservations, one can draw an analogy with today's Ukrainian coup.

Quote: Dart2027

And Minin and Pozharsky opposed the state headed by Catholics and Uniates.

They opposed another state in order to defend their own. That is, they fought with Poland.

Let me remind you that the boyars who headed the Moscow state at that time themselves invited the Poles, they themselves swore allegiance to them and the Poles did not seize Moscow, they were invited there by the boyar elite, who headed the Moscow state at that time.
PS Now I say goodbye, I do not have time to fill your gaps in education.

[Dart2027]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

The Indians had a country, but they did not have their own state.

That is, the Indians fought in vain to have their own state, since they already had a country, and for the Motherland the concept of the State is not necessary?

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Especially for those who did not study history, Peter

was the legitimate king, and Sophia tried to usurp power.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Catherine made a coup d'etat, with well-known reservations, one can draw an analogy with today's Ukrainian coup.

That is, she was a mercenary of the United States? Why not dream.

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Let me remind you that the boyars, who at that time headed the Moscow state, themselves

came to power in a coup. and tried to maneuver between the Poles and the False Dmitry.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Oh no no no! Who did it ?! Who created this country, which did not exist to the bottom ?! And even gave a place in the UN?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Dart2027

A convinced communist is trying to get away from the uncomfortable question "who created this Ukraine and why?"

In the text of the Declaration on the Formation of the USSR, and then in the Constitution of the USSR of 1924, the right of free withdrawal of the republics from the Union was introduced. Thus, the most dangerous "time bomb" was laid in the foundation of our statehood.

In the 20s and 30s, the Bolsheviks actively promoted the policy of "indigenousization", which was carried out in the Ukrainian SSR as Ukrainization. It is symbolic that within the framework of this policy, with the consent of the Soviet authorities, M. Hrushevsky returned to the USSR and was elected a member of the Academy of Sciences - the former chairman of the Central Rada, one of the ideologists of Ukrainian nationalism, who at one time enjoyed the support of Austria-Hungary.

It was the Soviet national policy - instead of a large Russian nation, a triune people consisting of Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians - that consolidated the provision on three separate Slavic peoples at the state level: Russian, Ukrainian and Belarusian.

The Bolsheviks treated the Russian people as an inexhaustible material for social experiments. They dreamed of a world revolution, which, in their opinion, would abolish nation-states altogether. Therefore, borders were arbitrarily cut, and generous territorial "gifts" were handed out.

Well, where is Putin wrong?

RIGHT IN EVERYTHING YOU WRITE.

[Humpty]

Has Khodor already received a membership card from Gennady Andreyevich, or is he still a sympathizer?

[fiberboard]

The successes of United Russia and President Putin personally, in the field of living standards and well-being of the population, are such that before the elections it is necessary to look for some way out. It is clear that the law is not written to them. It is clear that the administrative resource will again lead to victory, and it is also clear that without it, even the minimum percentage for going to the State Duma will hardly be possible for edross. Pension reform, crowds of migrants, Caucasian and Central Asian diasporas, group fights between migrants, reforms in medicine and education, a sharp increase in prices, especially for food. All this, apparently, led the pro-government political strategists to sad reflections. It is clear that the topic of Donbass, especially after the commanders of the Russian Spring were destroyed, is somehow not very suitable. Scandals emerge with the theft of humanitarian aid, the division of posts, those who stayed away from the front line. Syria is far away and incomprehensible. And the degree of Russian national consciousness is growing in the country. A similar article appears for the elections. This has happened before. Mr. Putin has previously claimed from TV screens that he is a nationalist, in a sense. At the same time, he categorically rejects the slogan "Russia for the Russians!" How not to remember Zhirinovsky, that poor man, before every election "suffers" for the Russian people. Or Zyuganov, another sufferer. ELECTIONS, gentlemen, ELECTIONS. And the hope for Matvienko and Volodin is bad.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: fiberboard

The successes of United Russia and President Putin personally,in the field of living standards and well-being of the population, are such that before the elections it is necessary to look for some way out.

I will add three nuts for Cinderella to your basket:
Why is it that in our country, following the example of the developed countries of the world, they do not introduce a progressive scale of taxation? Why was the government so passionate about the VAT increase? Why are Russian pensions all over the world at the level of “handouts for survival”?
Something about personal income tax.
Those of us who managed to live in the USSR remember that there was a kind of progressive personal income tax scale in the country. So, for example, since the 1980s, the income tax on the population earning income from state-owned enterprises began to be levied at rates from 0,35% (from monthly incomes over 80 rubles) to 13% - from incomes exceeding 100 rubles. And for persons engaged in entrepreneurial activity and private business, the rate ranged from 12% to 65% for an annual income exceeding 5000-7000 rubles.
From 1984 to 1991, a non-taxable minimum monthly wage of 70 rubles was established, but a progressive personal income tax rate was in effect. The amount of tax varied from 25 kopecks. from monthly income in the amount of 71 rubles. up to 8,2 rubles. with a salary of 101 rubles. and higher. The amount of income exceeding 100 rubles was additionally taxed at a rate of 13%.
The history of taxation in Russia is here:
https://aif.by/dontknows/kakoy_podohodnyy_nalog_byl_v_sssr
Even during the reign of EBN, there was a progressive scale of personal income tax. But in 2001, the new president decided to introduce a flat scale of 13%. It's so great when 90% of all profits are received by about 3% of the country's population .:

Three percent of the richest Russians own 92% of all time deposits and 89% of the country's financial assets. These are the findings of a study by the Higher School of Economics and Vnesheconombank.

It is from this that we have:

... oligarchs, beggars, very poor, extremely poor, the most beggars, beggars are nowhere to go, absolutely beggars, beggars, absolutely beggars, beggars, which do not exist.

But the shame and conscience of the "guarantor" did their job, and now everything "has changed dramatically":

In Russia, de facto, a progressive taxation scale is being introduced instead of a flat one - now not absolutely all citizens will pay income tax at the same rate of 13%. Thus, the income of Russians who earn more than 5 million rubles a year (about 416 thousand rubles a month) will now be taxed at an increased rate of 2021% from 15.

By the way, in China, even with a smaller amount, they pay 30%, and the maximum tax there may be 45% from an amount equal to about 10 rubles. See for yourself:
In China, the following personal income tax rates apply:
- less than 36 RMB of annual income - 000%;
- from 36 to 000 RMB - 144%;
- from 144 to 000 RMB - 300%;
- from 300 to 000 RMB - 420%;
- from 420 to 000 RMB - 660%;
- from 600 to 000 RMB - 960%;
- over 960 RMB - 000%.
At the same time, when calculating the total basic income, the standard deduction is subtracted, which from January 1, 2021 is 5 RMB (approximately $ 000) per month or 725 RMB per year.
For the information of those who did not live in the USSR, I would like to note that male citizens (bachelors) were also subject to an additional tax, called the "tax on (for) eggs." This motivated young people to start families.
Next on the list was the childless tax. It was levied on married couples who did not have children, thereby encouraging couples to have children.
There were no taxes in the USSR that were sucked from the finger or were copied in order to increase the burden on the budget of citizens.
For us, this is VAT - value added tax.
The first Gorbachev "swallow" in the form of 5% flew to us in 1991. Then the 5% sales tax was introduced by the legislation of the USSR and was named "Gorbachevsky". Its introduction caused serious irritation of the population. There was no sales tax in the new system of taxes and fees introduced by the law "On the Basics of the Tax System in the Russian Federation" after the collapse of the USSR on January 1, 1992.
The second coming of the "Gorbachev" ("Yeltsin") sales tax took place in 1998. True, this time it was already a regional tax, left to the mercy of the subjects of the federation. The maximum rate was re-established at 5%.
But these were still flowers.

In Russia, VAT has been in effect since January 1, 1992, when the maximum rate for the country was introduced - 28 percent. From January 1, 1993, it was lowered to 20 percent, from January 1, 2004 it was 18 percent, and from January 1, 2019 it was set at 20%.

It is known who invented this tax. It was the Frenchman Maurice Lauret. This tax is imposed on any product or service that is sold at a price higher than the cost.
An interesting feature of this tax is that the entire burden falls on the buyer of goods (services). This unheard-of "justice" became possible in a society of speculative capital. The need for such a tax is very zealously defended by the current ministers of economy and finance. Indeed, in the digital age, it is almost "impossible" to combine debit with credit, weed out expenses from income, and decide on a profit. We know that as soon as taxes are raised in Russia, all the oligarchs will go “into the shadows”, and so they are registered in “offshore”.
Recently, our economic block of the government has been "whining" about a low VAT rate, planning to raise it to 22%. Why not? Only a fool would deny the benefits of such a tax ... Only this benefit for whom?
The last question was the question of pensions.
In 2018, the country passed a law allowing citizens to work until their death, without counting on any state care and old-age benefits. The most disgusting of all lies, which was issued at the level of the prime minister, is an annual increase (on average) by 1000 rubles. True, they kept silent that prices could also increase several times, and the percentage increase in pensions would be lower than the inflation rate. And the "average increase" itself showed that some received one hundred rubles, while others received "costs."
The most bitter and disgusting thing is that for military pensioners, the percentage of increase was set lower than for ordinary (civilian) ones, and indexation was carried out not from the beginning of the year, but from October 1.
Decree of the President of the Russian Federation No. 604 of May 7, 2012 established that the pensions of citizens dismissed from military service must be indexed annually by 2% above the inflation rate. However, this norm is not always fulfilled.
Specific example. 2021 year. The planned inflation rate in the country is 4,7 - 5,2%. Military pensions from October 1 will be indexed by 3,7% !!! Is it such a luxury?
But at the same time, civil pensions have been indexed by 6,3% since January 1.
In the USSR, pensioners helped children - such were the pensions. What about the size of pensions today?
In the table below, you can study the size of average pensions in the countries of the world and draw appropriate conclusions.

[Vadim237]

Why is it that in our country, following the example of the developed countries of the world, they do not introduce a progressive scale of taxation? Because if it is sharply introduced, you will suffer first of all, consumers, since this tax will affect primarily producers and they will simply transfer part of these fees to the cost of goods so as to compensate for the losses from the new tax.
Why are Russian pensions all over the world at the level of “handouts for survival”? Let's not talk about peace in 100 countries, our pension and life in Russia will seem heavenly manna compared to what is happening with the social sector and everything else.
There were no taxes in the USSR that were sucked from the finger or were copied in order to increase the burden on the budget of citizens. It was in the form of your labor for a month - the state established a fixed wage of 150 rubles or more conditionally, but in a month you could produce products and 1500 rubles for labor were given to you conditional 150, the rest after the sale of goods went to the construction of the infrastructure of a sanatorium, etc. - in the country there was one owner, one producer and one consumer - a state with one boiler - a financial budget from which all enterprises received money for everything and a work plan for five years - money does not appear out of thin air and does not go anywhere. And that list of pensions by country - in fact, does not say anything without the cost of housing and communal services, gasoline products, etc. in each of these countries.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vadim237

Because if it is sharply introduced, you will suffer first of all, consumers, since this tax will affect primarily producers and they will simply transfer part of these fees to the cost of goods so as to compensate for the losses from the new tax.

It's right. And your senior friend said that if you increase taxes on the rich, they will go offshore (from 0:50)
[media = https: //www.youtube.com/watch? v = xmwlhtLHPsY]
strangely didn't open:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmwlhtLHPsY
The whole world - and “we” are economic geniuses, unable to catch up with Portugal. Drop this parable and look at the PRC or Singapore. And then there are state prices for tariffs and fuel inside the country and the freezing of prices for them is official, because there is not a single power plant built by an oligarch in the country.
And then there are the fiscal authorities and 340 Rosguards, who can be interested in useful work for the good of the country, and the tax and prosecutor's office ...
But you are looking for reasons, because with us it is like this: whoever wants to do, he is looking for funds, who does not want to, looking for reasons.

[Vadim237]

not stocks will affect demand, but new technologies, market and policy: transition to a different energy structure, taxes on recycling of plastic waste, taxes on emissions, investments will be banned in hydrocarbons ...! and so on and so on This is what - Portugal has always lived in a market economy and the devastation from the 17th to 22nd years of 69 years of Soviet experiments that ended in complete failure in the place with the country, the devastation of the 90s and 2005 Russia more or less got out of this ditch lived for 3 years hello crisis of 2008 to 2010 and then hello 2014 and sow a day and then the pandemic adds - Portugal had nothing of this except crises - that's why Russia is compared with someone else idiocy and cast glances at China and Singapore, which left on a foreign bubble and technologies with industries starting from the 70s - everything is different in Russia and our path is thorny and difficult beyond your head, and money will not appear out of thin air.
... And then there are state prices for tariffs and fuel inside the country and the freezing of prices for them officially - This is more like a fairy tale, since all goods are produced by private traders in Venezuela have already tried to freeze prices for food and goods and introduce state regulation - the result is huge inflation, empty shelves, since all private traders in the country of production turned down and dispersed to other countries; society has become drastically impoverished, as has the country - a roll of toilet paper there now costs our 500 rubles - nothing has been so regulated.

[Trickster]

Strange, but Lenin clearly divided Ukrainians and Russians. Oh God, really, Semin is no Marxist, but an ordinary pro-government lackey-guardian.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Trickster

Oh God, really, Semin is no Marxist, but an ordinary pro-government lackey-guardian.

Derzhimorda and heir to the tsarist secret police !!!

[tatra]

Ha, so the Romanovs divided the Great Russians and the Little Russians. And there was no mythical "triune Russian people". How tired of the lies of the enemies of the communists about the history of our country.

[Herman 4223]

Again this journalist who studied in the United States and whose whole family lives there.

[t-12]

Is studying in the USA a crime? Lomonosov studied in Marburg, and what next?

[K150]

Quote: t-12

Is studying in the USA a crime? Lomonosov studied in Marburg, and what next?

Well, this clown is broadcasting to us about the children of bureaucrats in the United States. By the way, he has a residence permit there and regularly travels there. Its content is nothing but gross. But Western rallies are illuminated with aspiration, if there is a portrait of Lenin lit up. And while covering one such rally in the United States, he shouted "just about a proletarian revolution in the United States, we also need it." True, this clown kept silent that these rallies are being pumped with money and cadres by the Democratic Party as opposed to the Republicans.

[t-12]

Its content is nothing but gross.

It is the professional duty of any critic: to find and show flaws, to suggest ways to correct them.

In the United States, Semin goes to see his son (whose mother, that is, Semin's ex-wife, received US citizenship). This is his own business.

And before the portrait of Lenin and Gorbachev spoke, starting "Lenin's revolutionary perestroika."

[Herman 4223]

Lomonosov was sent there. He studied there at the expense of the state in the interests of the state. And in whose interests was this individual studying, at the expense of the United States?

[Lara Croft]

Quote: t-12

Is studying in the USA a crime? Lomonosov studied in Marburg, and what next?

Lomonosov's training in Marburg benefited Russia, here the opposite is true ...

[t-12]

When Lomonosov studied in Marburg, he (and other students) was also accused of studying in vain and wasting government money.

[Lara Croft]

Quote: t-12

When Lomonosov studied in Marburg, he (and other students) was also accused of studying in vain and wasting government money.

I think his scientific works are recognized by all citizens in our country and abroad, regardless of party affiliation, nationality, faith, gender and race, there would be more such indisputable authorities in Russian science ...

[Erik]

Looking at the local kids, the obvious trek isn't obvious to most! Or 15 rubles, that's the fault!

[Lara Croft]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

Then someone said the phrase that, like, they will come to work in Russia and then WILL NOT COME

They won't come and to hell with them, there is no one to go or something ... no one will cry ...

So Ukrainians will not come to us

... ALL Ukrainians told you about it?

[Sergey Nikiforov]

But to go, there really is no one

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

Well, after all, they live and are not even much worse than us

You don't live on Mars?

[Sergey Nikiforov]

No, in Russia But I do not go into patriotic ecstasy and no matter how carefully they hide information about the real state of affairs in Ukraine from us, it exists and shows that we have nothing to boast of about them And some things can be envied For example, that they already have the 6th president, and the retired security officials have peacefully achieved an increase in pensions

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

about the real state of affairs in Ukraine, it exists and shows that we, in relation to them, have nothing to boast about

Well, yes, only a civil war in Ukraine for 8 years, the loss of territories and people are fleeing whole peninsulas. Not to mention the sale of land, the halt of almost all manufacturing giants, endless loans from the IMF and other delights. Are you, excuse me, quite cuckoo?

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

that they already have the 6th president

Yes, even 66th, they have nothing better because of the change of the president. What is the use of turnover?

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Well, the moderators do not want to miss the answer to your comments. Let's start from the end. At least 66 that, like, we have the same sense, but the irremovability of power is the lot of cattle, when everyone decides for him what retirement age he is to pay what pension, that would die faster Bravo, you have a gorgeous position

[Sergey Nikiforov]

I will continue the 8th year of the civil war.Let's not turn on the fool and believe that Girkin and Boroday came to Donetsk on vacation in Kalmius to swim, and numerous veteran organizations of vacationers who spent their holidays there, not today, tomorrow will begin to demand payment of combat like Afghan veterans Everything is crumbling with them, well, tell me that we are building the Eastern one, do not mention it, there will be enough criminal cases until the end of the century But my classmate sent me a video of the road from Kiev to Berdyansk, very much impressed So, alas, look less our TV, and more often turn on your head, if, again, our TV did not completely spoil it

[El Chuvachino]

I tell you about the facts, and you jumped in a frying pan, from Girkin to Vostochny and TV. What a mess in your head! Find something simpler for yourself. I won't even waste time on you.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Ay ay, how busy, come on, give me the real achievements of Russia since 2014. Immediately I say that the RT website does not work Tell us about the real growth of citizens' incomes, tell us how successfully the fight against the number of people living below the poverty line is going on Tell us about real concern parties and governments about working pensioners So I'll see who you will be spinning And yet, 6 presidents is the level of development of civil society, life-long is the lot of cattle who are not asked what to do

[El Chuvachino]

More, more cheap slogans! More often the society is called cattle! The dog barks, and the caravan moves on, as they say. And there is no point in telling you anything - everything is on the network. But you, unfortunately, are not repairable.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

And you crumple yourself with a homemade product. ?? Well, condescend, explain to me my cheap slogans, otherwise somehow I can’t find answers to such paradoxes anywhere. Today Belousova said that real incomes increased by 3% with inflation of 6,55% descend, explain And society is cattle.? Yes, probably, a certain part yes Otherwise, how can one explain the fact that the indexation of pensions according to the LAW should be no less than the annual inflation In that year it (inflation) was 4,9%, but for us military pensioners it indexes by 3,7 So, for whom are we consider.?

[d1975]

I respect Semin, well, here he is really stormy. He mixed everything, both horses and people. Well, GDP is right and what? Why talk nonsense, I agree Ukraine is a territory, but not a republic, or even more so a state. For me personally, this is a geographical misunderstanding.

[t-12]

What exactly are the rights of the GDPR? In the fact that if the union treaty had not allowed secession, the USSR would have remained unified? It's funny.

[El Chuvachino]

The fact that Ukraine turned out to be a time bomb, with which it was necessary to demand everything back, including the donated Crimea

[t-12]

"The Planted Time Bomb" is very poetic, but not a damn thing is not clear.

[Dart2027]

Quote: t-12

it's very poetic, but not a damn thing.

Thanks to grandfather Lenin for the war in Donbass. Is it clear now?

[t-12]

Unclear. What does grandfather Lenin have to do with the war in Donbass?

[Dart2027]

Quote: t-12

What does grandfather Lenin have to do with the war in Donbass?

So, at the beginning of 1918, the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Soviet Republic was proclaimed, which turned to Moscow with the question of joining Soviet Russia. A refusal followed. V. Lenin met with the leaders of this republic and urged them to act as part of the Soviet Ukraine. On March 15, 1918, the Central Committee of the RCP (b) directly decided to send delegates to the Ukrainian Congress of Soviets, including delegates from the Donetsk basin, and to create at the congress "one government for the whole of Ukraine." The territories of the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Soviet Republic in the future mainly comprised the regions of the South-East of Ukraine.

In the 20s and 30s, the Bolsheviks actively promoted the policy of "indigenousization", which was carried out in the Ukrainian SSR as Ukrainization. It is symbolic that within the framework of this policy, with the consent of the Soviet authorities, M. Hrushevsky returned to the USSR and was elected a member of the Academy of Sciences - the former chairman of the Central Rada, one of the ideologists of Ukrainian nationalism, who at one time enjoyed the support of Austria-Hungary.

[t-12]

The beginning of 1918 is a complete collapse of the army, the Brest Peace, the occupation of Ukraine by the Germans. What kind of separate Donetsk republic could we talk about? A partisan war against the Germans was possible only as part of Ukraine.

About "Ukrainization". There are people who speak the local language (in this case, Ukrainian). Obviously, they must have Ukrainian schools, books, films; that civil servants (bosses, officials, policemen) must know the local language. What's wrong with that?

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: t-12

What's wrong with that?

At least the voluntary-compulsory Ukrainization of the Russian-speaking population is wrong. And with Khrushchev, it also flooded in the Crimea, when the absolute majority in the person of the Russian population was strictly demanded to take both Russian and Ukrainian languages ​​separately. This is just one drop in the sea of ​​these crimes.

[Dart2027]

Quote: t-12

What kind of separate Donetsk republic could we talk about? A partisan war against the Germans was possible only as part of Ukraine.

And why was the "united Ukraine" (in fact, which did not exist yet) so much needed by the partisans in Donetsk?

Quote: t-12

There are people who speak the local language

And that is why the Ukrainians were recording those who, in principle, could not be? As I already wrote

Quote: Dart2027

Thanks to grandfather Lenin for the war in Donbass.

[petrol cutter]

To be honest, most of the UAs, during my lifetime, were for the Russian Federation. In terms of the South-East.
That was what I was Toda.
Seven years have passed. What has become there now ...

[Pico]

I live in the Dnepropetrovsk region. Was the "nuclear electorate" of the Party of Regions, after 14, like many, it ceased to be
I don’t wear an embroidered shirt, but I don’t feel "brotherly love" for the Russian Federation either.
I used to go to the Crimea on vacation, now I fly to Turkey.
Many people go to work in the EU, but not so en masse (perhaps in my social circle)
Roads are being built at an unprecedented pace for Ukraine
The crown flutters on the sly

[petrol cutter]

* Was the "nuclear electorate" of the Party of Regions, after 14, like many, it ceased to be *
Why so? In my provincial opinion, we have just begun to live in a positive direction with the government of Comrade Azarov.
Here on you !!! Get a tractor village! ..
The urine rushed through the pipes ...
A kind of endless square in the middle of winter! ..
With vague demands. Absolutely alien to me, for example.
Europe! ... Yes, I don't need that Europe for three hundred years.
And everyone I know has never been interested in visits to Europe. From the word at all.
But visits to Mother Russia, on the contrary, categorically worried many.
The regions seemed to be steering in the right way.
Then, for some reason, they decided to sit on two chairs. Well, they turned gray ...

[Pico]

After the flight of Yanukovych and others like him, he became disillusioned with the PR.
After the Crimea and the "North Wind" were squeezed out, "brotherly love" for the Russian Federation diminished.
I went to Europe and looked at how people live, I was convinced of the "hibnost" of the old beliefs, because. orders that in Russia and in Ukraine are tracing copies of each other
I agree about Azarov, plus the late Kuva period.

[tatra]

The enemies of the communists hate each other, but they justify each other's crimes during the Soviet period and during their anti-Soviet Perestroika. So the Russian enemies of the communists, having slandered the Bolshevik-communists, justified the enemies of the communists who seized the Ukrainian SSR and created out of it the evil Russophobic State of Ukraine.

[Radical]

Quote: carstorm 11

Well, as for me, this article was written more for 404 children. And there the obvious things are ignored quite often.

Kid, you still haven't answered the question - in which regiment did you serve? And do you know what kind of product - "Parabellum"?

[Ruslan Sulima]

Why are you pulling an ox!
We are not brothers with those who do not want to fraternize. Wrong GDP, looks through rose-colored glasses at times. I would like to be wrong, to believe that he is right, but life shows something else. But I have no brothers among those who killed my relatives, they didn’t care, we are not people for them, donbassonut. I have no brothers among me and my ancestors who have taken a hooligan.
The trouble is that there are not a few of them ...
Eh, Konstantinich has already died, an old locksmith, who came to Zhdanovka from some village in Ivano-Frankivsk as a boy. According to his stories, he went home a couple of times, and they look at him as an enemy. Well, they say nafig, Bandera ... That's such a damn brotherhood ...
By the way, maybe the GDP will hear from here) Someone there said that he had heard about the problem of a lack of vaccines ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

By the way, maybe the GDP will hear from here) Someone there said that he had heard about the problem of a lack of vaccines ...

only a few will hear you. Not the fact that they will understand. I shout everywhere that there is a much easier way, this is the production of serum or immunoglobulin, for the treatment of seriously ill people. Mortality when using serum is reduced to zero.

[Ruslan Sulima]

Don't think about that ... It's time to inject the truth serum ...

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

Don't think about that ... It's time to inject the truth serum ...

I'm talking about a specific solution to the problem. You propose a rhetorical version.
This is the trouble of our time - the overload of society with imposed, intrusive information. Human life is short. It will not be enough to get to the bottom of the Truth in the ocean of truth. Everyone will defend their Truth. And this is what the enemies of Mankind need, let everyone fight with each other, maybe they will achieve it before the War ...
Maybe instead of a serum of truth, it is better to force everyone to peace and draw human attention to the Cosmos and the need to master it, to cultivate the ability to self-restraint and sacrifice for the sake of the survival of Mankind ???

[Ruslan Sulima]

You know, judging by the minuses that have fallen in, very few people need the truth here ...
Compulsion to peace is the most effective option, but for some reason they don't go for it. Until you inject the truth serum into those responsible for such a decision, you will not find out what they are pulling ... Sooner or later you will have to.

[businessv]

One can call one's Motherland a prison of nations only because of a small mind and a complete absence of national consciousness. The question arises: Semin, who are you ?! If you don't like our Motherland, it's time for you to look for another pier and try to talk nonsense about your newfound small homeland there, but I doubt that its citizens will allow you to do this so brazenly, stupidly and unreasonably, like ours! Semin had only to put his signature under the buffoon's manifesto on ancient ukraine!

[K150]

He was recruited by the criminals. In fact, the same Navalny is only tinted red. Words and background are different - the essence is the same. Throw it off at any cost, preferably now. True, none of them is a real leader, they have the go-ahead they say there will be a leader among 140+ million, that is, they hang noodles. In the style of "kill everyone, God knows his own." They cannot offer normal leaders. The revolutionary situation did not develop. They offer chairs first and then maybe money.

[Dart2027]

Quote: K150

In fact, the same Navalny is only tinted red.

Mr. Biden told me: "When I came to the USSR in the 70s, did I think that someday I will support the communists and wish you victory ..."

https://kprf.ru/international/88824.html

[businessv]

Quote: El Chuvachino

The fact that Ukraine turned out to be a time bomb planted

Is it one square ?! And the rest of the republics? The bomb was laid in the Constitution of the Union, which allowed the independence of the republics and voluntary secession from the USSR! In fact, the only thing that the GKChP had to do was to raise the troops, arrest everyone who surrendered the country and put things in order with an iron hand, based on the results of the referendum on the preservation of the USSR, but after a long relaxation and active work of the West to discredit the authorities, no one can do it. did not dare! As a result, the weak President Gorby destroyed the country, and EBN - a drunkard, successfully drank it! No residue!

[Woodman]

Journalist Konstantin Semin also comments on Vladimir Putin's article

I was going to comment on something for a long time. Either he did not dare, or the Internet is slow overseas.

[Whisper]

Was it not this Putin who sent Zurabov to Ukraine as ambassador after this Zurabov reformed the healthcare system in Russia? It turns out interesting. And after all, they say that people are appointed to such positions who best meet the assigned tasks. This Zurabov was there and was engaged in promoting our interests. It turns out that he has done well with health care in Ukraine as well. So who's been messing with us? Who is dividing whom?

[mister-red]

Quote: Sheptun

Was it not this Putin who sent Zurabov as ambassador to Ukraine, after this Zurabov reformed the healthcare system in Russia? It turns out interesting. And after all, they say that people are appointed to such positions who best meet the assigned tasks. This Zurabov was there and was engaged in promoting our interests. It turns out that he has done well with health care in Ukraine as well. So who's been messing with us? Who is dividing whom?

Alas, not a single ambassador could fix the situation in Ukraine, even seven inches in the forehead.
By and large, they should have been cut off from their boobs in the 91st, at least they would have earned at least something on them.

[ccsr]

Quote: mister-red

By and large, they should have been cut off from their boobs in the 91st, at least they would have earned at least something on them.

I completely agree with you, but unfortunately it was unrealistic in the 90s, tk. we were connected by a huge number of joint production cycles, including in the military-industrial complex. In reality, we could have become tougher in relation to Ukraine only after 1996, but then our drunk president declared drunk that every official should think what we can do for Ukraine. From this, the bodyag started, and the Ukrainians realized that they had settled well on our neck, and even started to pump the rights. In general, thanks to the stupidity of Yushchenko, who got into trouble, otherwise we would still sponsor them.
I don’t know where the $ 82 billion came from, but I think that in reality there was still more, in particular, in terms of the indirect losses of our industry due to Ukrainian dumping.

[mister-red]

Is it possible on this site, which is not a subdivision of YouTube, to give a printout of what is said on the video?
It's just a pity for time, the text can be read several times faster.

[EMMM]

Unfortunately, there is no way to send a response directly to the author (I perfectly understand the entire input control system, but it could have been provided).
Thank you very much for raising this issue to the state level.
I would like to add one small detail: the process of the collapse of the USSR began with a request from Lithuania to conclude a federal treaty with the USSR, instead of which Gorbachev announced the presidential elections in the USSR and sent troops to Vilnius.

[Erik]

Quote: aleksejkabanets

Quote: Erik

15 rubles (not to the author of the comment), what are you going to shout?

And we are what they will shout for.)))) They always shout like that.

Quote: Erik

And most importantly, where to hide?

They do not think about it, because there is nothing.

Ok, so much the worse for them! :) Some will pretend to be idiots, the second will be repainted. We swam, saw and know. And then the innocent repressed!

[Erik]

Quote: businessv

One can call one's Motherland a prison of nations only because of a small mind and a complete absence of national consciousness. The question arises: Semin, who are you ?! If you don't like our Motherland, it's time for you to look for another pier and try to talk nonsense about your newfound small homeland there, but I doubt that its citizens will allow you to do this so brazenly, stupidly and unreasonably, like ours! Semin had only to put his signature under the buffoon's manifesto on ancient ukraine!

How is it more convenient for you? Well, feel the national consciousness? Maybe in Italy? Or Germany? Already there the national consciousness was raised to "unprecedented heights"! :) However, everyone's homeland is different! Semin has his own homeland, you have your own! The homeland of Semin is different from the homeland of Deripaska! As an example. And every day, the homeland of most Russians, farther and farther from Deripaska's homeland! But you propose to drown for a common homeland. Such a world has already passed, and somehow it did not work out very well. Many people died, your ancestors. From 41st to 45th. Don't believe me? Take a look at the history textbook. Contrast, method of synthesis and analysis.

[Sergey Nikiforov]

Here the respected moderator deleted my note and issued me a Chinese warning for a mate, which expressed itself in the fact that the current workers of the ideological front, that ours, that I called Ukrainian derivatives from product number 2 Well, in my opinion, what you deserve, you will get it. will be moderated Well, the essence remains the same In the struggle for the minds of the people, especially the youth, we are losing completely Everyone understands this very well and understands why the Events in Crimea and Donbass give an excellent reason for Ukrainian ideologists to accuse Russia of aggression, and then on the knurled one I understand , if we had impressive successes in the economy, foreign policy would help to acquire more and more allies. Then yes, you can pretend to be the unifying Force. And so inflation for six months is 6,5%, more than 700 people die every day from this nasty thing. Well, on what braces is the union? So the article, it seems to me, is more pre-election

[businessv]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Wasn't Putin a communist? And, unlike Yeltsin, he did not tore his party card.

Duc VVP is not a drinker, unlike EBN, who created the impression that he was never sober. EBN not only tore the party card, but the whole country, into pieces, which were taken away and divided among themselves by all who poured him!

[businessv]

Quote: Sergey Nikiforov

acquire more and more new allies. Then yes, you can pretend to be the unifying Force And so inflation in six months is 6,5%, more than 700 people die every day from this muck

You are right, it is good to unite other countries around one idea, especially when this idea exists! And when you are an example of a capitalist country, which for 30 years of its existence, having the richest resources in the world, does not have its own base for processing them due to the fact that it destroyed it with your own hands, it is very difficult to convince other capitalist countries, especially those that have achieved more that you are a wonderful role model!

[Vadim237]

It does not have its own base for their processing due to the fact that he destroyed it with his own hands "It is now being actively built and introduced.

[mister-red]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Wasn't Putin a communist? And, unlike Yeltsin, he did not tore his party card.
And it's not right to hang all the dogs on the communists - there are renegades, opportunists and traitors in any party.

The most successful government in Moldova for the country was that of the communists from 2001 to 2009.
By the way, this is the only case in the former republics, nowhere else were the communists in power after the collapse of the Union.

[Vadim237]

The most successful government in Moldova for the country was that of the communists from 2001 to 2009. Moldova, as it was the bottom of Europe, remained economically, but fortunately, after 2014, Ukraine fell lower and therefore Moldova is now the second largest bottom.

[mister-red]

Quote: Vadim237

The most successful government in Moldova for the country was that of the communists from 2001 to 2009. Moldova, as it was the bottom of Europe, remained economically, but fortunately, after 2014, Ukraine fell lower and therefore Moldova is now the second largest bottom.

Thank you for such an informative comment. In fact, yes, a couple of years ago the Ukrainians mixed us with the peddestal, thanks to them for this.
However, you do not need to throw your slippers, in fact, everything is not so bad. Just a few days ago I was talking with a relative in Moscow. We also talked about pensions. She said that a friend from the Moscow region did not retire and receives 12,5 thousand rubles. And she herself is exactly the same, the only thing is the so-called. Luzhrovskaya surcharge is about the same. But this is Moscow baby, the capital of your and our former Motherland)))
For reference, my mother receives 12 thousand rubles in terms of rubles. My cousin retired at the beginning of the year and has exactly the same. Let's laugh together?

[anclevalico]

And for me, than writing obvious things, it would be better to do my direct business. The country is a mess, which has not happened since perestroika. And by the fall, the revolutionary situation will ripen in general.

[Vadim237]

In your fantasies, there may be nothing like perestroika, and now there is no word at all in the 90s.

[sifgame]

Semin himself at times the captain is obvious

[Erik]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Erik

And most importantly, where to hide?

Why would I hide in my own country? I, like my ancestors, have always lived here and endured all the hardships with my people, and I'm not going to run away from them.

Quote: Erik

Those who are now in power, all-powerful want to cement the current state of affairs.

And this is good, because we will not allow a mess in our country - we are not Ukraine, and we have nuclear weapons, and therefore there can be no bacchanalia in principle.

Quote: Erik

Will it be necessary to calm the people down with banditry on the street?

It is not entirely clear - banditry must be suppressed in any case, regardless of the will of the people. So it was during the October Revolution, what is surprising for you now?

Quote: Erik

As long as people think that they have something to lose, they will sit on sofas!

I agree with that.

Quote: Erik

BUT, the refrigerator will win and their "seat"!

With our harvests and gold and foreign exchange reserves, you will not wait for this.

Quote: Erik

And the Kremlin is well aware of this.

The Kremlin realizes a lot, which is why Putin sits permanently more than Brezhnev. So even from this point of view, the authorities are not as stupid as many people here think. Moreover, those who lived in the 90s understand this.

Muakhahaha, here is a propaganda campaign! :) They made fun, thanks! But you are inattentive!

[Erik]

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Gardamir

In your opinion, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the communists, and in 1945 the Georgievites won

The USSR was sold by the communists and they alone

Quote: Gardamir

and in 1945 the Georgievites won

defeated the Soviet people, for the most part non-partisan

Statistics on party members who died in the Second World War, and preferably for years!
But that's not all, let's talk about high matters?

[alystan]

I think that Vladimir Putin's article is not only timely, but also long-awaited.
K. Semin made it out quite well and it seems to me that in some moments his critical remarks still have the right to life. For me, it is also not entirely clear why he cites as his main argument the words of the prince-baptist of Russia about the trinity of Russian people, then jumps to the moment of the formation of the Soviet state and blames Lenin for some mistakes. But why does he at the same time speak about the condition of secession from the USSR only with the territory within the pre-Soviet borders? Maybe so it is true, but the conversation was started about the words of Prince Vladimir? And the 1000 years that have passed since that time have been very difficult, there have been wars (both against external enemies and internecine ones, while it was necessary to both conquer new and cede their lands. But to its credit, Russia practically all "lost" lands always returned back. And at the time of the October Revolution, Russia was no longer only great, but also huge in its territory. So I think (and fool everyone), why talk about one thing in one historical context, and then talk about another, but in the context of a historical period that took place a thousand years later?
And the next moment. What did Semin say wrong about today's Ukrainian and Russian oligarchs and where is he wrong? And as for me, he called all things by their proper names and said what he thinks about it.
But VVP did not say a word about Gorbachev or Yeltsin (maybe I was wrong and the article itself said something about them, but I did not read it and only use information from the video). Sobchak called him the greatest lawyer of our time, why should he be so frightened? Who Sobchak was in fact for me is complete darkness. But the way he negotiated with Jacques Attalli (that still disgusting type) reminded the scene with the foreign ambassador from the movie "Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession" parish. A simple thief turned out to have more understanding in public affairs than the chairman of the house committee. In his video, Semin showed how Sobchak aki the master makes promises in every possible way to protect the investments of foreign investors in essentially still people's enterprises and speaks of his readiness to sell them to them. Type not mine, I want and sell. Exactly like EBN, when a drunken one destroyed the Union in Belovezhskaya Pushcha, and then abandoned Crimea: "Ahh, take it, I don't mind." And these "great" lawyers and presidents of VVP gives us an example ?! diablo
That's all, that's the point. And let Semin annoy someone personally, but he speaks literately and correctly, focuses on the problems of our life and offers his vision for solving them.

[alystan]

Quote: Erik

Quote: Sandor Clegane

Quote: Gardamir

In your opinion, the Soviet Union was destroyed by the communists, and in 1945 the Georgievites won

The USSR was sold by the communists and they alone

Quote: Gardamir

and in 1945 the Georgievites won

defeated the Soviet people, for the most part non-partisan

Statistics on party members who died in the Second World War, and preferably for years!
But that's not all, let's talk about high matters?

And all non-party members joined the Komsomol and the party on the eve of the battles, and those who did not have time to do so in the event of their death were asked to consider them as such posthumously! Such were the Soviet people, without a party card in their pocket, but with great faith in the cause of the party!

[Ryaruav]

after Semin's attack about vaccinations, I do not respect him, he is that a medic who fumbles about vaccines? or forced - sold out (softly asked)

[businessv]

Quote: Vadim237

It is now being actively built and introduced.

You want to say you did the right thing, that you destroyed it? Plants were actively built and put into operation - 2000 plants per year, during industrialization! Today it is more like an imitation of activity due to extreme necessity, and not real, constructive and systematic work.