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The assassination of Colonel Romanov

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The assassination of Colonel Romanov

From Emperor to Colonel



We need to start with the laws:

The power of management in all its scope belongs to the Sovereign Emperor in the limits of the entire State of Russia. In the administration of the supreme, His power acts directly; in the dulakh of the administration of the subordinate, a certain degree of power is introduced from him, according to the law, subject to the places and persons acting in his name and according to his commands.

So, the All-Russian Emperors were the supreme power of the Russian Empire. This is a huge power that imposes on its bearer a gigantic responsibility, and the responsibility is not even to people, but to God. Now it sounds funny and naive, then they believed in it.

Moreover, here is the oath of the subjects:

I, the one named below, communicate and swear by the Almighty God, before His holy Gospel, in the fact that I want and owe His Imperial Majesty, my true and natural All-Merciful Great Sovereign Emperor NN, the Autocrat of the All-Russian Emperor, and His lawful Imperial Imperial It is not hypocritical to serve and obey in everything, not sparing your belly until the last drop of blood, and to all His high Imperial Majesty's autocracy, the power and power belonging to the right and advantages, legalized and henceforth legitimized, by extreme reason, the strength and opportunities to warn and defend besides, at least try to help everything that to His Imperial Majesty of the military service and the benefits of the state in any case may concern ...

The oath was also not subject to interpretation - the entire empire was tied to the personality of the emperor.

They also swore allegiance to the emperor personally, and the abdication of the emperor without appointing heirs meant only one thing - the collapse of the state machine. From the moment of such abdication, all subjects were free and free to go anywhere and do anything, the empire was abolished.

This is exactly what the last emperor did, turning himself with one signature into Colonel Romanov, his family into hostages, and the country into an atomized crowd.

And it is precisely this, in my deepest conviction, that is his crime against Russia. He, as an emperor, could afford a lot, but he also had to answer with life.

All the stories that were blackmailed, forced, about the conspiracy of the military and politicians - these are nothing more than words, not the case. Nikolai could shoot himself, he could shoot Guchkov and Shulgin, he could run and raise an uprising, but he could not renounce. I had no right. The oath imposes not only duties on subjects, but also on the overlord. Nikolai Aleksandrovich, in my opinion, violated them.

So what is next...

The assassination of the colonel's family


And then it is necessary to divide what happened into two parts. The murder of the family of Colonel Romanov with his servants and the murder of the colonel himself. The first is an undoubted crime and atrocity, the children did not threaten anyone, moreover, the terminally ill disabled person Aleksey and the daughter's carriers of hemophilia had no chance of a full-fledged family life or the throne. They killed them, it seems to me, because they could, and because the illusory power intoxicates.

Another thing is the emperor and his wife. Without a trial, this is also a crime, but ... A crime generated precisely by renunciation, slept through by a conspiracy, that is, by incompetence. Actually different things: the driver crashed into a pole and died, because he spat on the traffic rules, he is the culprit. His children are victims.

Now who killed?

The Bolsheviks at that time were a vast and vague concept. For example, Lenin, a brilliant lawyer, did not want to kill:

"Take under your protection the entire royal family and prevent any violence against it, responding in this case with your own life."

He wanted trial and death for its results.

But the radicals in the party, of which the Ural Council consisted, really wanted, just like the anarchists and the Left Socialist-Revolutionaries. It was they who ruled the ball in the local council, it was they who made and carried out the decision on the execution.

Now it sounds crazy, but the central government not only did not control the regions, but could not really punish anyone. There were no forces, especially in the context of the Czechs' revolt and the Civil War. So Moscow had to pretend that nothing of the kind happened, although the blow to the newborn RSFSR and personally to the Bolsheviks was serious, and the image losses were huge.


And later, it was not at all up to that, the Civil War was blazing, people died in millions. And if we consider all the innocent victims in those years as martyrs, the calendar will not be enough, and we do not know the names of the majority, they were not Romanovs.

Whites killed, reds killed, greens killed, completely incomprehensible bandits of all stripes killed ... Civil war is blood and horror, and there are no rightists with clean hands in it and, in principle, cannot be. The rest is politics, when now some people want to shake the current government in the name of victims and murderers, others - to strengthen, forgetting that one cannot wake up the ghosts of the past.

More than a hundred years have passed, and it would be time to reconcile. The empire is no longer and will not be. And, looking at the modern Romanovs, traveling from Europe to our Palestine, one wonders one question - what do they have to do with Russia?

There is no USSR either, and the revival of Soviet socialism is impossible, the era is gone, people are gone, the world has changed. But some politicians are not appeased. And they do everything in order to dig as deeply as possible in a barely healed wound, which, in addition to warming up the current passions, does not lead to anything.

There is no need to repeat and replay the past, one neighboring state will not let you lie. And Nikolai Alexandrovich ...

He made his choice at the time of the signing of the Manifesto of abdication, and now his judge is the power to which people have not the slightest relation, just as they are to his murderers.
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    1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 July 2021 05: 37
      +11
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      keep from internecine warfare, peace of the world from God, ask for mercy for our souls.

      Originally, to ask the Almighty for this, operating on a person "passion-bearer", who is guilty of the participation of his Motherland in two wars and the Civil War, where we were defeated?
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 21 July 2021 06: 15
        -61%
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Originally, to ask the Almighty for this, operating on a person "passion-bearer" who is guilty of the participation of his Fatherland in two wars

        There was no defeat in WWI. The Bolsheviks took away the victory in this war from Russia, demoralizing the army and signing the humiliating Brest peace.
        History should be known not only from Soviet textbooks. winked
        1. Gardamir
          Gardamir 21 July 2021 06: 47
          +30
          humiliating Brest peace.
          It is much more humiliating when, in peacetime, the Norwegians were presented with a part of the Barents Sea, by the way, in terms of area, larger than the Crimea.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 21 July 2021 20: 22
            +7
            Quote: Al_lexx
            There was no defeat in WWI

            Victory ... Defeat ...
            What's the difference? This henpecked English hemophilia woman threw the country into an unnecessary war, killing Russians for the sake of British interests. For the sake of the very British who deprived Russia of a chance to control the Bosphorus.
            And before that, about ... I played the war to the Japanese, who by that time had just parted with their muskets. And again to please the British.
            Both of these wars nafig were not needed by Russia
        2. Alex_1973
          Alex_1973 21 July 2021 07: 00
          +45
          Al_lexx (Alexey)
          There was no defeat in WWI. The Bolsheviks took away the victory in this war from Russia, demoralizing the army and signing the humiliating Brest peace.
          Sit down, you have a bad mark in history. The army was destroyed not by the Bolsheviks, but by the tsarist government. By the beginning of 1917, the soldiers already understood perfectly well that there was no war going on for any country, but an imperialist massacre was going on for the selfish interests of bloodsuckers. That is why cases of fraternization at the WWI front are not uncommon.
          Well, a complete kaput in the army came with the arrival of the provisional government and the order issued by it for the army, when the army was removed at once both officers and discipline.
          History should be known not only from Soviet textbooks.
          That's right, you need to know it, and at least you could have flipped through the Soviet textbook for a start.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 21 July 2021 09: 15
            +22
            Quote: Alex_1973
            The army was destroyed not by the Bolsheviks, but by the tsarist government.

            from behind to have especially reliable people and machine guns, if anything, to force even the weak-minded to go forward. Do not hesitate even before the mass execution of whole units for trying to turn back, or, even worse, to think of surrender

            General Brusilov's order of June 15, 1915. Without any Bolsheviks. In 1914, an entire battalion of the 13th Siberian Division stupidly surrendered, falling under machine-gun fire. Again, without any Bolsheviks ...
          2. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 21 July 2021 10: 53
            +6
            Quote: Alex_1973
            Well, a complete kaput in the army came with the arrival of the provisional government and the order issued by it for the army, when the army was removed at once both officers and discipline.

            Order No. 1 is still the creation of the Petrosovet. Which was further "pushed" by Kerensky through the Provisional Government.
            1. Terran ghost
              Terran ghost 21 July 2021 14: 47
              +2
              Which was further "pushed" by Kerensky through the Provisional Government.

              To which neither Kerensky personally, nor the Provisional Government at all had any relation at all. In fact, after the February Revolution of 1917, a situation of dual power developed in Russia - not the best, to put it mildly, the best garbage in the context of ongoing hostilities.
              The reason is also quite understandable - after the abdication of Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov (in whose favor Nicholas II actually renounced the throne), the question of the further organization of the state in Russia, in fact, formally "hung in the air" until the convocation of the Constituent Assembly.
            2. sibiryouk
              sibiryouk 21 July 2021 16: 09
              +12
              And in the Petrosovet there were the majority of Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks and about 2-3 Bolsheviks. Lawyer N. Sokolov (Kerensky's friend) is called the author of order No. 1 - he formalized the wishes of the soldiers' deputies and the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it. Remarkable is the conversation between V. Shulgin and the pre. Petrosovet Chkheidze - the head of the Petrosovet did not care!
        3. nikvic46
          nikvic46 21 July 2021 07: 44
          +11
          Aleksey The Belovezhsky agreement was no less humiliating. The Soviet leadership managed to restore the country's territory.
          1. Kote Pan Kokhanka
            Kote Pan Kokhanka 21 July 2021 14: 06
            +3
            Quote: nikvic46
            Aleksey The Belovezhsky agreement was no less humiliating. The Soviet leadership managed to restore the country's territory.

            If objectively, no, it could not. The territories of the Principality of Finland and the Kingdom of Poland were left behind.
            Otherwise, everything is correct:
            - Belovezhskaya agreement is humiliating;
            - the Soviet leadership made every effort to preserve the state.
            They even grew on lands that were not part of the Russian Empire in 1917!
            1. Vasilenko Vladimir
              Vasilenko Vladimir 21 July 2021 21: 39
              +4
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              The territories of the Principality of Finland and the Kingdom of Poland were left behind.

              for the sake of truth, they were suitcases without a handle, especially the Finns, they essentially lived by their own laws
          2. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 21 July 2021 14: 55
            +8
            The "Belovezhskaya Agreements" can hardly be considered humiliating. Unconstitutional - no doubt about it. The possibility of the termination of the existence of the Soviet Union by only three of the twelve republics that were part of the USSR at that time was not provided for by the Constitution of the USSR in 1977.
            Article 72 of the aforementioned Constitution of the USSR gave the republics the right to secede from the Soviet Union. But the fact that three republics - the RSFSR, the Ukrainian SSR, and the BSSR - seceded from the USSR did not formally mean in any way that the remaining nine republics would not want to continue to exist within the framework of a single Union.
            Another thing is that soon the collapse of the Soviet Union began to pass under the category of fait accompli - a fait accompli, that is.
        4. Fenia04
          Fenia04 21 July 2021 08: 03
          +11
          Exactly, exactly they are. And they are also the first coup. There was no interim government, these are all fakes. There were no essiers of all sorts, anarchists and other animals, also fakes.
        5. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 July 2021 08: 12
          +22
          Quote: Al_lexx
          The Bolsheviks took the victory in this war from Russia, disintegrating the army

          order number 1 of the provisional government read ??? when the soldiers were not obliged to salute the officer, and in general the orders were discussed .... The Provisional Government is the Bolsheviks? wassat
          1. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 21 July 2021 14: 58
            +1
            order number 1 of the interim government read ???

            The notorious "Order No. 1" was issued by the Petrograd Soviet. The provisional government had nothing to do with him.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 21 July 2021 16: 02
              +7
              Quote: Terran Ghost
              order number 1 of the interim government read ???

              The notorious "Order No. 1" was issued by the Petrograd Soviet. The provisional government had nothing to do with him.

              Excuse me please, but what was the Provisional Government doing then if some left-wing organization issued orders. And what was the Petrosovet like then?
              1. Terran ghost
                Terran ghost 21 July 2021 16: 21
                0
                The Provisional Government if any leftist organization issued orders. And what was the Petrosovet like then?

                Petrograd Soviet - Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies. It was created "by default" (that is, the Provisional Government did not create it by its own decree), but at the same time it made claims to the implementation of the highest state power in the country.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 21 July 2021 16: 42
                  +3
                  Quote: Terran Ghost
                  Petrograd Soviet - Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies. It was created "by default" (that is, the Provisional Government did not create it by its own decree), but at the same time it made claims to the implementation of the highest state power in the country.

                  And what then did the "higher state power" do? If it didn’t create it, then why didn’t it disperse it or arrest it? And what then did the "higher state power" pretend to be if any "leftist structure" replaced it without any problems?
                  1. Terran ghost
                    Terran ghost 21 July 2021 17: 43
                    +1
                    Hmm. Again, you don't even try to estimate what the public sentiments and, so to say, "the social climate in the country" were like at that time.
                    I explain it on my fingers. On the whole, the First World War, which was not very successful for Russia, and the acute economic crisis generated by it, exacerbated the conflicts and discontent that had long been accumulating in society. Which led to the February Revolution.
                    The main problems were the following - the end of the First World War, from which the people had already managed to get tired of order, the normalization of the economy, which was burdened by the aforementioned war, the land issue, the issue of workers' rights, the restructuring of the state on a democratic basis and guarantees of the personal rights of citizens.
                    It was not for nothing that the Provisional Government was called that way. It was supposed to rule before the convocation of the Constituent Assembly, which was supposed to solve the above problems. The calculation of the Provisional Government at the same time was to end the First World War with a victory.
                    The problem here was that since the above problems were essentially not solved (their solution was already a matter for the Constituent Assembly), revolutionary sentiments in society did not disappear. The creation of the Petrosovet is the embodiment of these very revolutionary sentiments. If the Provisional Government had undertaken "at a rush" attempt to disperse the Petrosovet by brute force, it would have received a full-scale armed uprising in response.
        6. Vend
          Vend 21 July 2021 09: 31
          +10
          Quote: Al_lexx
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Originally, to ask the Almighty for this, operating on a person "passion-bearer" who is guilty of the participation of his Fatherland in two wars

          There was no defeat in WWI. The Bolsheviks took away the victory in this war from Russia, demoralizing the army and signing the humiliating Brest peace.
          History should be known not only from Soviet textbooks. winked

          Not entirely true. The decomposition of the army began after the February revolution and not only the army, but also the economy and the moral and spiritual ideals of the citizens of the Russian Empire. The Bolsheviks with their revolution and the Peace of Brest-Litovsk saved the country from final collapse. Then the Bolsheviks had to put the country together for a long time, but they collected it and returned almost everything. Regarding the murder, I don’t support, but as you can see, the ruling parties foresaw the outbreak of the Civil War and Nicholas II and his family could become that symbol that would strengthen one of the parties and give more chances for victory.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 22 July 2021 07: 18
            -2
            Quote: Wend
            Not entirely true. The decomposition of the army began after the February revolution and not only the army, but also the economy and the moral and spiritual ideals of the citizens of the Russian Empire.

            The Bolsheviks began to work after Tsushima. It was this battle that influenced many, in the most negative sense.
            Conversations about the fact that the top could no longer be based on nothing but Bolshevik propaganda. The pace of development of Russia, before the February revolution, was record (in the world, at that time). And if it were not for the subversive activities of the British special services and partly the German ones, there would be no priest Gapon, with his provocation at the Winter Palace and no February one.

            However, I'm not going to convince anyone of anything here. Promising on a flurry of minuses, no one here read anything except Soviet history textbooks. By the way, at school I was excellent in history, as well as in institutes in the history of the party (there was a case, then I even worked in the district committee). It makes no sense to prove something to someone, if a person has convinced himself of something and nothing other than what he is convinced of is inaccessible to him not exactly understanding, but even perception. This is called dogmatism. smoothly turning into fanaticism.

            And one more thing .. This is not for you personally, apart.
            But I don’t need to glue the anti-Soviet here. In Soviet times, there was also something that would be worth preserving. But alas, this was during the time of J.V. Stalin, who in fact was (today) the last emperor of Russia, although he was called differently. This I mean that democracy is a performance of scoundrels and nothing more. A worthy person cannot come to power through the so-called democratic procedures.
            1. Vend
              Vend 22 July 2021 09: 11
              -1
              Quote: Al_lexx
              Quote: Wend
              Not entirely true. The decomposition of the army began after the February revolution and not only the army, but also the economy and the moral and spiritual ideals of the citizens of the Russian Empire.

              The pace of development of Russia, before the February revolution, was record (in the world, at that time). And if it were not for the subversive activities of the British special services and partly the German ones, there would be no priest Gapon, with his provocation at the Winter Palace and no February one.
              Well, what am I talking about? The February Revolution marked the beginning of the collapse of the Russian Empire. And not only the Bolsheviks began to work after Tsushima, but even earlier it all started.
              The Russian Assembly began in 1900 as a literary and artistic club for adherents of right-wing conservative views. It took shape as a political party only in 1906.
              The "Union of the Russian People" was founded in 1905.
              Russian monarchical union
              The prototype of the Russian monarchical union - the Russian monarchist party was founded in 1905.
              "Union of October 17", Russia's largest liberal-conservative party, got its name in honor of the tsarist manifesto on October 17, 1905
              ETC
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        7. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 21 July 2021 10: 50
          +13
          Quote: Al_lexx
          The Bolsheviks took the victory in this war from Russia, disintegrating the army

          Was it possible that the well-known Order No. 1, which abolished discipline and subordination, was drawn up by the Bolsheviks? And his main "pusher", a certain A.F. Kerensky, was he also a Bolshevik? wink
          1. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 21 July 2021 15: 09
            -3
            What a "patriotic" mess in a separate head :(
            1. The Provisional Government had nothing to do with the notorious "Order No. 1". It was published by the Petrograd Soviet.
            2. About the defense of "spiritual ideals" by the Bolshevik Party - I will leave without comment. This phrase is as antihistorical as it can be.
            3. During the Soviet Union, the Ferval Revolution was assessed positively by the official historical science. As a bourgeois-democratic revolution that destroyed the remnants of the feudal system still remaining in society, including autocracy as its most important relic.
            And, oh yes, the most important thing.
            Soviet patriotism implied warm feelings for socialist Fatherland. Moreover, precisely because it is socialist.
            1. Fitter65
              Fitter65 21 July 2021 16: 09
              +5
              Quote: Terran Ghost
              What a "patriotic" mess in a separate head :(
              1. The Provisional Government had nothing to do with the notorious "Order No. 1". It was published by the Petrograd Soviet.

              And what did the Provisional Government have to do with? After all, it seems to have led the country during the publication of this notorious order, and not the Petrograd Soviet.
              1. Terran ghost
                Terran ghost 21 July 2021 16: 17
                0
                Does the word "dual power" mean anything to you? In general, it was leading. And even led the actual war. But they did not have the strength and real possibilities to compel the Petrograd Soviet to suspend its activities without provoking an uprising by this act.
                1. Fitter65
                  Fitter65 21 July 2021 16: 45
                  +4
                  Quote: Terran Ghost
                  Does the word "dual power" mean anything to you? In general, it was leading. And even led the actual war. But they did not have the strength and real possibilities to compel the Petrograd Soviet to suspend its activities without provoking an uprising by this act.

                  And you do not know, thanks to whom this dual power, three powers, in general anarchy, was formed on the territory of the Russian Empire. Who plunged the country into this chaos?
                  1. Terran ghost
                    Terran ghost 21 July 2021 17: 32
                    +3
                    I know. More precisely, discontent has actually been ripening within society for quite a long time. The situation escalated sharply due to the rapidly unpopular World War I and the accompanying acute economic crisis. The immediate trigger was the circumstances of the renunciation of the right to the throne of Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov during the February Revolution - the question of the structure of state power in Russia was to be decided by the Constituent Assembly. That is, prior to its convocation, this issue was essentially "hanging in the air" from a formal point of view.
                    1. Fitter65
                      Fitter65 21 July 2021 23: 55
                      +2
                      Quote: Terran Ghost
                      The immediate trigger was the circumstances of the renunciation of the right to the throne of Mikhail Alexandrovich Romanov

                      Is it M.A. Romanov sat on this very throne? So it seems, he was not when he was not the king of "all Russia"? And there was a certain N. A Romanov who brought the country with his leadership.
                    2. ABC-schütze
                      ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 12: 48
                      0
                      I look at this with skepticism ...

                      The fact is that ANY, A PRIORI ILLEGAL structures (and the so-called "Provisional Government", AFTER the ILLEGAL overthrow of the LEGAL imperial power in the Russian Empire, it was just such a structure), in PRINCIPLE, they cannot LEGALLY convoke ANYONE and NOTHING...

                      Incl. etc. Constituent Assembly.

                      Well, why scare, former law-abiding loyal subjects (no matter how many of them remain ...), must recognize the "legitimacy" of any body movements of the coup d'état, no matter how they try to "legitimize" themselves ...

                      They will ask, "What to do"? ..

                      And to WIN the Civil War, if it has already begun ...

                      History has not "invented" any other way of "legitimizing", alas. And the Bolsheviks won ...
                2. Vasilenko Vladimir
                  Vasilenko Vladimir 21 July 2021 21: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Terran Ghost
                  In general, it was leading. And even led the actual war. But it did not have the strength and real possibilities to compel the Petrograd Soviet to suspend its activities without provoking an uprising by this act.

                  but it was not figs to knock out the cement mortar from the wall, you look and the wall would not have collapsed
            2. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 13: 06
              0
              "2. About the defense of" spiritual ideals "by the Bolshevik Party - I will leave it without comment. This phrase is as antihistorical as it can be."
              ************************************************** **********************
              Well why? ..

              And the Decree on Freedom of Conscience? .. Every citizen is free to profess any ideals, shall we say, except for pornography and counter-revolution.

              Just obey the laws and pay taxes.

              What is contrary to spiritual ideals here? .. And what? .. Whose? ..
            3. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 13: 13
              -1
              "3. During the Soviet Union, the Ferval Revolution was assessed positively by the official historical science."
              ************************************************** **********************
              So what?...

              If you have not forgotten that the POSITIVE (progressive) contribution of BOURGEOIS in the process of historical social development was noted by the "classics" themselves.

              Already in the "Manifesto ...

              Another thing is that they, THERE, AND EXPLAINED, SCIENTIFICALLY, why the HISTORICAL time of "bourgeois progress" OBJECTIVELY ended ...
              1. Terran ghost
                Terran ghost 23 July 2021 09: 35
                0
                So what?...

                And the fact that no piety for tsarism and despotic-tyrannical ("autocratic") monarchy, which are signs and vestiges of the feudal system in comparison with the bourgeois-democratic republic in Soviet times, was not and could not be in official science.
                The Maxist-Leninist teaching considers the development of human civilization as a progressive movement. From the primitive communal system - to the slaveholding and feudal system - to the capitalist (bourgeois system) - to the communist system, in which socialism is its lowest phase, and communism itself is the highest.
                Therefore, from the point of view of Marxism-Leninism, the bourgeois-democratic republic is undoubtedly progressive in comparison with the feudal-despotic ("autocratic") monarchy and the estate system. In turn, the socialist republic of the working people is unconditionally progressive in comparison with the bourgeois democratic republic. And, in turn, a communist society governed by the principles of direct democracy will be unconditionally progressive in comparison with a socialist republic of working people.
        8. Looking for
          Looking for 21 July 2021 14: 57
          +1
          well. apparently you study history from liberalistic "textbooks"
        9. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 16: 25
          +10
          "When they repeat at every step that the Bolsheviks were the cause of the collapse of the army, I protest. This is not true. The army was destroyed by others ..." (AI Denikin)
        10. Vasilenko Vladimir
          Vasilenko Vladimir 21 July 2021 21: 29
          +7
          Quote: Al_lexx
          The Bolsheviks took away the victory in this war from Russia, demoralizing the army and signing the humiliating Treaty of Brest.


          order date March 1, 1917
          The Provisional Executive Committee of the Council of Workers 'Deputies is the body for convening the constituent assembly of the Council of Workers' Deputies. It included K. A. Gvozdev, B. O. Bogdanov (Mensheviks, leaders of the working group of the Central Military District), N. S. Chkheidze, M. I. Skobelev (deputies of the State Duma from the Menshevik faction), N. Yu. Kapelinsky, K.S. Grinevich (Shekhter) (Menshevik internationalists), N.D.Sokolov (non-factional Social Democrat), G.M. Erlich (Bund).
          Appeal of the Executive Committee of the Petrograd Soviet. February 27 / March 12, 1917
          The Bolsheviks were not part of the Provisional Executive Committee.
          Quote: Al_lexx
          History should be known not only from Soviet textbooks.

          not in the eyebrow, but in the eye, learn history
        11. BAI
          BAI 21 July 2021 22: 17
          +4
          1.
          taken away by the Bolsheviks, disintegrating the army

          2.
          History should be known not only from Soviet textbooks

          The first statement is an absolute lie or illiteracy.
          The second is true
          We look at the memoirs of Denikin (hardly anyone will accuse him of adherence to Soviet power).
          Denikin "Essays on Russian Troubles":
          Not a single future historian of the Russian army will be able to pass by the Polivanov commission - this fatal institution, whose stamp lies decisively on all measures that ruined the army. With incredible cynicism, bordering on treason, this institution, which included many generals and officers appointed by the Minister of War, step by step, day after day, carried out pernicious ideas and destroyed the reasonable foundations of the military system.

          The army was destroyed by the Provisional Government. The Bolsheviks only pushed the falling one.
      2. Finches
        Finches 21 July 2021 06: 30
        +19
        The period of reign of the rag-tsar in Russian history is extremely ambiguous, filled with both breakthrough successes and grandiose defeats, but the blame for the collapse of the Empire lies entirely with Nicholas and his terrible end is a natural result of the reign! Humanly, I feel sorry for the Romanovs, but historically everything is completely fair! Clio, in general, is a very fair woman ... And the decision of the Russian Orthodox Church, not from God, but under the influence of the political situation and, possibly, an attempt to atone for his guilt, because it is the church in the forefront betrayed God's anointed one!
      3. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 July 2021 07: 52
        -31%
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        who is guilty of the participation of his Fatherland in two wars

        if he is "guilty" of aggression against Russia, then the following rulers are "guilty" of aggression in 41 years against the USSR
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        Civil war

        there was no GW with him, yes.
        but under the Bolsheviks, there was still some kind.
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        where did we fail?

        Were defeated in WTS Bolsheviks (Russia-not represented) -read Brest. peace, and recognized it only German invaders and their Bolsheviks servants. Nobody else.

        Even fully occupied Serbia and Romania turned out to be the victors, and there could be no question of the occupation of Russia by agonizing Germany.
        1. aybolyt678
          aybolyt678 21 July 2021 08: 30
          +12
          Quote: Olgovich
          if he is "guilty" of aggression against Russia, then the following rulers are "guilty" of aggression in 41 years against the USSR

          Nikolai's father2 built Russian railways without attracting foreign investment, Nik2 launched foreign capital into the country and made Russia's foreign and domestic policy dependent on the will of foreigners who had enterprises and mines in our land.
          Nick 2 made members of the imperial family out of jurisdiction, and the favorite entertainment of financial swindlers was to give the tsar's relatives shares of enterprises, most often engaged in supplying the army ... The defeat in the Russo-Japanese and WW1 was largely due to this.
          As for the "next" rulers, as I understand the allusion to Stalin, the war did not end for these people, they understood that this was a respite and rushed as best they could to prepare the country for the inevitable war.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 July 2021 09: 49
            -24%
            Quote: aybolyt678
            Nikolai's father2 built Russian railways without attracting foreign investment, Nik2

            Nikolay built railroads much larger than Alexander, including the steel ridge of Russia-Transsib
            Quote: aybolyt678
            made the foreign and domestic policy of Russia dependent on the will of foreigners

            lies-Russia pursued its own interests: under Nikolai, Russia grew by several hundred thousand km2, the Bolsheviks cut off 5 million km2 from it.
            Quote: aybolyt678
            As for the "next" rulers, as I understand the allusion to Stalin, the war did not end for these people, they understood that this was a respite and rushed as best they could to prepare the country for the inevitable war.

            yes, yes, and the time after WWII is a respite before the Third World War, etc.

            Just remember: Brest betrayal did not allow Germany to arrange 45th year already in 1918 year, because without Russia it is impossible, but with Russia it is quite.

            They left the beast alive, fed it in 1918 with Russian gold, Russian bread, breathed new strength into it to continue the slaughter, concluded contracts, and then began ... to "prepare" for a war with it. belay
            1. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 21 July 2021 11: 01
              +4
              lies-Russia pursued its own interests

              So enlighten all honest people - tell about these interests. So far, according to you, it is only - to grow by the Nth number of km2.
            2. aybolyt678
              aybolyt678 21 July 2021 11: 17
              +4
              Quote: Olgovich
              Russia under Nicholas grew by several hundred thousand km2,

              The Liaodong Peninsula with the Kwantung Region and the Russian Railway (YMR) from Kuanchengzi (Changchun) to Port Arthur were lost under Nike2.
              Quote: Olgovich
              Bolsheviks (Russia-not representing) -read Brest. peace, and only the German invaders and their Bolshevik servants recognized it. Nobody else.

              The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was signed by Trotsky, who, as a reminder, became a household name and condemnatory tongue who defiled the title of Bolshevik
              1. Olgovich
                Olgovich 21 July 2021 12: 11
                -14%
                Quote: aybolyt678
                The Liaodong Peninsula with the Kwantung Region were lost under Nike2.

                how can you lose what Russia ... did not belong?
                Did you go to school? No.
                Quote: aybolyt678
                The Treaty of Brest-Litovsk was signed by Trotsky, who, let me remind you, became a household name and a censure that defiled the title of Bolshevik

                Br. miir was signed by Chicherin, Karakhan, Petrovskii oi rsfsr.

                Did you go to school? No.
                1. aybolyt678
                  aybolyt678 21 July 2021 12: 26
                  +8
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Did you go to school?

                  obviously not like you smile
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Br. miir signed by Chicherin, Karakhan, Petrovskii oi rsfsr

                  the head of the delegation was Trotsky. who proposed to vote for the formula “we end the war, we do not conclude peace, we demobilize the army”, which gained a majority of 9 votes (including Trotsky, Uritsky, Lomov, Bukharin and Kollontai) with 7 “against” opinions (Lenin, Stalin ... ... laughing
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  how can you lose what Russia ... did not belong?

                  we had a 99 year lease. smile
                  Here's another fact from Wikipedia: "The signing of the Brest Peace between Ukraine and the Central Powers was a serious blow to the positions of Soviet Russia, since already on January 31 (February 13) the UPR delegation appealed to Germany and Austria-Hungary with a request for help against the Soviet troops."
                  however, it was not easy.
                2. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 21 July 2021 15: 35
                  +8
                  how can you lose what Russia ... did not belong?
                  Sakhalin also apparently did not belong to RI. And they didn't pick coal there, and (oh horror) there was no hard labor there? And the convicts did not run there chained to wheelbarrows? (the Bolshevik ghouls did not think of it - an omission). And apparently, instead of guarded camps, there were comfortable cottages for convicts)))) And half of Sakhalin was "loved" as it were. And at whom is it interesting? Or, in 1905, was Lenin again to blame for the Bolsheviks? So which School did you go to? Who caught Khrushchev already? )) I suspect that in the Soviet wink But apparently they skipped history lessons laughing
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 22 July 2021 06: 41
                    -8
                    Quote: Region-25.rus
                    Sakhalin also apparently did not belong to RI

                    it was, you unread ours, only
                    Quote: aybolyt678
                    Liaodong Peninsula with Kwantung Region
                    .

                    What are you trying to do with?
                    Quote: Region-25.rus
                    Is Lenin to blame for the Bolsheviks?

                    of course: they did not lose 30 thousand km2, as under tsarism (while under Nicholas more than 200 thousand km2 were annexed), they 50 thousand km000 cut off from Russia , which is almost 2 times more.

                    Got it, no? No.
                    1. Region-25.rus
                      Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 08: 05
                      +2
                      it was, you unread ours, only
                      Quote: aybolyt678
                      Liaodong Peninsula with Kwantung Region
                      "Chukchi is not a reader! Chukchi is a writer" So, I can read perfectly))) Taught in the Soviet school, where, in contrast to the parish under the "colonel" and modern ones, they taught not only to read, but also to think wink And now the main thing - it was about the lost territories. So? Both the Liaodong Peninsula and Kwantung were lost were lost because of what? That's right - the defeat of the RI in the course of the ROE. And what about the floor of Sakhalin? Apparently just like that))) Again defaults - "I see here. I don't see here!" good About "Never belonged ..." Well, as it were. Considering how much they have been pumped into the infrastructure and so on. The same CER as a continuation of TransSib. Which, as you know, was built by "citizen colonel". Aha, only built it in one track, but with such a sickly gap in the form of Lake Baikal. Before which in the winter they sat down on the ice and forward and forward to the other side! But he built wink
                      And by the way, and not after the February Revolution, all sorts of "outskirts", Turkestans and other "foreigners in the Republic of Ingushetia" began to split off? wink
            3. andybuts
              andybuts 21 July 2021 14: 08
              +10
              Nikolay built railroads much larger than Alexander, including the steel ridge of Russia-Transsib

              poor fellow, that father, that son. How the two of them built so much with their own hands.

              lies-Russia pursued its own interests: under Nikolai, Russia grew by several hundred thousand km2, the Bolsheviks cut off 5 million km2 from it.

              what are the interests of the Republic of Ingushetia pursued during WWI, in addition to fulfilling allied obligations?

              Just remember: the Brest betrayal did not allow Germany to arrange the 45th year already in 1918, for without Russia it is impossible, but with Russia it is quite.

              the Germans would have taken Moscow and St. Petersburg faster if it had not been for the Brest Peace. Like Kiev, Ukraine and Crimea in the spring and summer of 1918.
            4. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 21 July 2021 14: 47
              +9
              This is Peter the Great BUILDING the Russian Fleet, its army and the capital. WORKING THE AX, ITSELF setting tasks and DESIGNING SHIPS and BUILDINGS.

              And Nicholas II, in general, NEVER and ANYTHING in Russia did not "build".

              In the Russian Empire, something, CHAOTIC and UNSYSTEMIC "was built" "under HIM".

              But not "THEM" at all, not "thanks to HIM". I am ignorant and an idle mediocrity ...
              1. Hantengri
                Hantengri 21 July 2021 21: 32
                +9
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                And Nicholas II, in general, NEVER and ANYTHING in Russia did not "build".

                On the other hand, he was engaged in another useful business - the raven also shot cats! In a word, he "worked in cleaning" (c), like Sharikov.
                1. BAI
                  BAI 21 July 2021 22: 30
                  +1
                  It's right. Not without it.
                2. Kwas
                  Kwas 22 July 2021 15: 17
                  +2
                  He also liked to take pictures. So thanks to him, we have quite a lot of interesting photographic materials. And he collected cars. And he loved ballerinas, contributed to the development of the jewelry industry ...
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 22 July 2021 06: 58
                -11%
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                This is Peter the Great BUILDING the Russian Fleet, its army and the capital. WORKING THE AX, ITSELF setting tasks and DESIGNING SHIPS and BUILDINGS.

                build not only with an ax, but also with a HEAD: MANAGEMENT, financing and planning.

                And the steel ridge of Russia was built by NIKOLAI, the subsequent mediocrity could not build anything like that - one raped 40 years BAM is worth what, just as they could never build a bridge longer than the Aleskeevsky imperial bridge.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                In the Russian Empire, something, CHAOTIC and UNSYSTEMIC "was built" "under HIM".

                But not "THEM" at all, not "thanks to HIM". I am ignorant and an idle mediocrity ...

                and it was thanks to him and with him that Russia made giant leap in popular and higher education, technical revolution, science, industrial development and culture, and the population increased by FIFTY percent.
                Let me remind you that the following LITTLE LEADERS reached the level of consumption of food, clothing, housing, and the yield of 1913 only after FORTY YEARS !! At the same time, plunging the country into a demographic catastrophe and lack of freedom. Their result is the Russian Cross and the remnants of the collapse of 1991

                These are just FACTS.
                1. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 12: 58
                  +1
                  Well, just, Peter the Great had a HEAD. And he LEARNED ALL LIFE, EVERYTHING NECESSARY and EVERYWHERE, where for this there was AT LEAST THE SMALLEST OPPORTUNITY. Until your very end ...

                  And you would be better off to the VO forum, instead of "facts" that DO NOT HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP to the contribution of the ignoramus and mediocrity Nicholas II (except for the "signature"), BOOKS, MANUALS, SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE, ORDERED BY THEM abroad FOR THEMSELVES

                  And Peter the Great, ALL of his ambassadors and "business travelers" over the hill, CONSTANTLY and FIRSTLY was "puzzled" by this. AND DEMANDED, DEMANDED "do not hesitate with sending" ...

                  Search and buy EVERYTHING NEW and USEFUL in naval and military affairs, fortification, metallurgy, ALONG the laying of gardens and parks ...
                  1. Olgovich
                    Olgovich 22 July 2021 14: 09
                    -6
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    Well, just, Peter the Great had a HEAD.

                    and, well?
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    And you would be better off to the VO forum, instead of "facts" that DO NOT HAVE ANY RELATIONSHIP to the contribution of the ignoramus and mediocrity Nicholas II (except for the "signature"), BOOKS, MANUALS, SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE, ORDERED BY THEM abroad FOR THEMSELVES

                    THANKS to him, ALL of the above has been accomplished

                    The library of Nicholas II in the Winter Palace includes 17520 volumes.what is read
                    Quote: ABC-schütze
                    Search and buy ALL NEW and USEFUL in naval and military

                    and? fool
                    1. ABC-schütze
                      ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 14: 48
                      +2
                      Yeah ..


                      You, from powerlessness and lack of intelligible arguments, indicate the number of wine bottles in the cellars of the Winter Palace on the VO forum.

                      There is reason to believe that the character under discussion is from there, somewhere, more often than he "ordered" books. And "consumed" ...

                      But if they themselves asked for it (I didn’t pull you by the tongue), then BE CONSISTENT and tell the forum IN WHAT NUMBER of books from this "your" library and WHAT TOPICS, Nikolai II ORDERED PERSONALLY for himself beloved.

                      And for what purpose? ..

                      Where is HIS "highest orders" to some "Baron Fredericks" to ORDER books for the acquisition of the PERSONAL Imperial Library? .. On military affairs, education, medicine, economics, AT LEAST ...

                      By the way, this ignoramus and mediocrity was very
                      authoritative PERSONAL teachers.

                      If it does not bother you, please bring me. Forum VO their name register. And, at the same time, their feedback on the "talents" of the student ...

                      Here's to you, for orientation ...

                      “In all subjects, the professors were forbidden to ask questions to the student, he himself did not want to ask; therefore, the degree of mastering the sciences until the end remained a mystery even for Pobedonostsev.

                      It was only visible that in the classroom the august schoolboy often suffers from boredom, at the moments of the highest inspiration of the next lecturer, he follows not so much his presentation as the hustle and bustle at the pharmacy opposite, the crowd at Anichkov Bridge. What he confessed to himself in his diaries of those years: "" Was plagued by Puzyrevsky ... ";" Studied with Leer, almost fell asleep ... ";" Got up late, which cut Leer off for two hours ... "

                      Classes acted on him like a sleeping pill: "I got a kind of illness - hibernation, so they can't wake me up by any means ..."

                      But nothing is eternal, and the torment of hibernation is not endless, and one day a wondrous day comes, the day of his bright awakening - from the pages of his diary sounds a triumphant, triumphant exclamation: "Today I FINISHED MY EDUCATION - FINALLY and FOREVER!"

                      More precisely, he "finished finally" not the educational program as a whole, but its LECTURE lecture cycle.

                      For there was still cognitive practice outside the classroom. She liked the heir better and lasted longer. He spent several camp periods in the deployment of troops near the capital (mostly near Krasnoe Selo): two summers - in the Preobrazhensky regiment, first as a subaltern - as an officer, then as a company commander, and two more seasons - in a hussar regiment as a platoon commander, squadron commander; and another summer - in the location of the artillery units. The limit of what was achieved was the command of the battalion with the rank of colonel.

                      “But he spent his leisure hours in the guards gloriously. Under the leadership of his uncle Sergei Alexandrovich, who commanded the Preobrazhensky regiment in the company of Neuhardt, von der Palen and the Wittgenstein brothers, he learned the charm of drinking and amorous adventures, which made up something like a parallel university course. the double were: playing with wolves and drinking "arshins" and "ladders".

                      From the smoke and noise of the picnics came out some of his future confidants, senators, governors, archbishops; among the latter are the holy fathers of the cavalry captaincy Seraphim and Hermogenes. "

                      Here, something like that, it was with the "head" of the character under discussion ...
                      1. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 23 July 2021 07: 04
                        -3
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        You, from powerlessness and lack of intelligible arguments, indicate the number of wine bottles in the cellars of the Winter Palace on the VO forum.

                        You, from powerlessness and lack of intelligible arguments, still look into the toilets of the Winter Palace.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        There is reason to believe that the character under discussion is from there, somewhere, more often than he "ordered" books. And "consumed"

                        you Soviet alcoholics have one thing on your mind
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        But if they themselves asked for it (I didn’t pull you by the tongue), then BE CONSISTENT and tell the forum IN WHAT NUMBER of books from this "your" library and WHAT TOPICS, Nikolai II ORDERED PERSONALLY for himself beloved.

                        DIDN'T COME AGAIN?
                        Nikolai's library, built by him in the Winter Palace in 1895
                        and containing a collection of 17520 volumes, completed by him PERSONALLY.
                        For comparison, the library of Alexander 2 contained 10 volumes.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Here, something like that, it was with the "head" of the character under discussion

                        it was wonderful for the brilliantly educated Tsar, who perfectly knew three foreign languages, especially looking at the brilliant results of his reign.

                        Let me remind the bankrupt that the following "craftsmen" could only catch up the level of 1913 for the consumption of food, clothing, for productivity, for housing only after FORTY years and at the cost of the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people. And that's just catching up. That is, 40 years have gone to waste.
                      2. ABC-schütze
                        ABC-schütze 23 July 2021 13: 27
                        0
                        "... a brilliantly educated Tsar who perfectly knows three foreign languages, especially looking at the brilliant results of his reign."
                        ************************************************** *******
                        For the "brilliant results" of the board, they do not give a kick ...

                        Moreover, in the context of Russia, ALL estates ONCE ...

                        Even the Church, alas, did not raise her voice in order to preserve the "anointing of God" under his LEGAL power ...

                        As for "knowledge of THREE languages", it would be better for him to devote more time to Russian grammar. After all, he, judging by his abundant diary writing, mistakes, even more than I did ...

                        By the way, what ... Let's compare? ..

                        Let's say the contents of the 13 volumes of the "seminarian" V. I. Stalin and the contents of ALL YEARS of your client's diary writings? ..

                        After all, there are simply no other sources for comparison ...

                        Precisely in the context of assessing their educational and managerial potential? ..
                      3. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 23 July 2021 14: 15
                        -6
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        For the "brilliant results" of the board, they do not give a kick ...

                        kick the Bolshevik bankrupts.

                        And the results are clearly visible against the background of subsequent "craftsmen".
                        Let me remind the bankrupt that the following "craftsmen" were only able to catch up with the level of 1913 in the consumption of food, clothing, in yield, in housing only after forty years and at the cost of the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people. And that's just catching up.


                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        As for "knowledge of THREE languages", it would be better for him to devote more time to Russian grammar. After all, he, judging by his abundant diary writing, mistakes, even more than I did ...

                        Yes? Show it.
                        Quote: ABC-schütze
                        Let's say the content of 13 volumes ..

                        belay WHAT THIS can be compared to:
                        There is one experienced scout in Germany, in Berlin. That's when you might have to visit Berlin, Josephine Genzi, maybe some of you know. She is a beautiful woman. The scout is old. She recruited Karakhan. She recruited on the basis of the women’s unit. She recruited Yenukidze. She helped recruit Tukhachevsky. She is also holding Rudzutaka in her hands. This is a very experienced scout, Josephine Genzi. As if she herself is a Danish in the service of the German Reichswehr. Beautiful, very willingly goes to all sorts of offers from men, and then ruins. You may have read an article in Pravda about some insidious methods of recruiters. Here she is one of the scouts of the German Reichswehr who distinguished themselves in this field. Here are the people.
                        etc.
                        ? belay

                        what are you?
                      4. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 23 July 2021 14: 30
                        -1
                        the following "craftsmen" could only catch up with the level of 1913 in the consumption of food, clothing, in yield, in housing only after FORTY years

                        Unproven statement.
                      5. ABC-schütze
                        ABC-schütze 23 July 2021 16: 20
                        0
                        "Let me remind the bankrupt that the following" craftsmen "could only catch up with the level of 1913 in the consumption of food, clothing, yield, housing only after forty years and at the cost of a demographic catastrophe of the Russian people. And this is only to catch up."
                        ************************************************** ********
                        "Unproven", that's putting it mildly ...

                        "Vis-a-vis", with this kind of helpless "arguments", simply substitutes himself (which is okay ...) and, most importantly, substitutes his "client".

                        After all, if, for the sake of experiment and for fun, just go to his "polemic format", then you can answer like this ...

                        The Imperial Monarchy in Russia, to all its achievements by 1913, had been going on for MORE THAN TWO CENTURIES.

                        The Bolsheviks and the Soviet power, having started the RESTORATION of the country and the construction of the Red Empire, practically "from scratch", have come running to the achievements of 1913, for ONLY 40 years.

                        Of these, HALF fell on the reconstruction of the country after TWO wars. World War I and Civil and Great Patriotic War ...

                        So who, in the end, turned out to be "more gifted"? ..
                      6. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 23 July 2021 16: 34
                        +1
                        I would not use this form of reasoning:
                        1) in this way you legitimize his "argument", which is wrong.
                        2) you yourself create a shaky structure with a number of logical errors, to which it is easy to lead counterarguments
                        There is a good saying - when arguing with a fool, never stoop to his level, there he will crush you with his experience.
                    2. Olgovich
                      Olgovich 24 July 2021 07: 31
                      -6
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      Unproven statement.

                      stupid vile nonsense
              3. ABC-schütze
                ABC-schütze 23 July 2021 16: 37
                0
                "DIDN'T COME AGAIN?
                Nikolai's library, built by him in the Winter Palace in 1895
                and containing a collection of 17520 volumes, completed by him PERSONALLY.
                For comparison, the library of Alexander II contained 2 volumes. "
                ************************************************** *******
                "Built" by him? ..

                Well, then, by his own Highest hand, show the "drafted project" of this library to the VO forum. How, say, Peter the Great did it ...
                And I, nevertheless, expect from you, evidence of His PERSONAL instructions to Baron Fredericks on the subject of acquisition of this "personal library".

                And where, in his diaries, his own records of interest in this subject. That is to say, to EDUCATION, in general, and reading scientific literature, incl. and the latest, in the "three foreign languages" mentioned by you, in particular ...

                Just in case, the end of the 19th century and the beginning of the 20th century is still a period of rapid discoveries in the natural sciences and engineering. Peter the Great, QUICKLY, NEVER LOST the opportunity to join such affairs.

                And how was Nicholas # 2 doing with this? ..

                I have no doubt that he "had an interest" in, say, "art", and, even if he loved "watching ballet" and ballerinas ...

                In the meantime, you are successfully showing the VO forum that this idler and crowned mediocrity "collected" books with the same scope as he replenished the stocks of bottles in the cellars of the Winter Palace. No more...
              4. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 July 2021 07: 30
                -5
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                Built by "him? ..

                Them.

                Learn what a "Customer" is, maybe then it will come that

                ... In the contractor's archive you will find his sketches and orders.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                And I, nevertheless, expect from you, evidence of His PERSONAL instructions to Baron Fredericks on the subject of acquisition of this "personal library".

                refer to the bookstores and printing houses that have fulfilled the orders of the head of the imperial library (which, in your, fredericks?).

                Quote: ABC-schütze
                And where, in his diaries

                "I read WITHOUT END" -from the diary.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                And how was Nicholas # 2 doing with this? ..

                Don't get it AGAIN? fool
                Look at the COMPOSITION of books in Nikolay's PERSONAL library and find out: books on multiple languages-documents, legal literature, monographs, memoirs, fiction.

                Quote: ABC-schütze
                In the meantime, you successfully show the VO forum that this idler and crowned mediocrity "collected" books

                while you showed its illiteracy, ignorance, bias.

                And your rams - "craftsmen" were only able to catch up with the level of 1913 in the consumption of food, clothing, in yield, in housing only after forty years and at the cost of the demographic catastrophe of the Russian people. And that's just catching up.

                And how is the tongue-tied "intellectual" with his
                There is one experienced scout in Germany, in Berlin. That's when you might have to visit Berlin, Josephine Genzi, maybe some of you know. She is a beautiful woman. The scout is old. She recruited Karakhan. She recruited on the basis of the women’s unit. She recruited Yenukidze. She helped recruit Tukhachevsky. She is also holding Rudzutaka in her hands. This is a very experienced scout, Josephine Genzi. As if she herself is a Danish in the service of the German Reichswehr. Beautiful, very willingly goes to all sorts of offers from men, and then ruins. You may have read an article in Pravda about some insidious methods of recruiters. Here she is one of the scouts of the German Reichswehr who distinguished themselves in this field. Here are the people.
                etc.
                ?
                Shame ....
              5. ABC-schütze
                ABC-schütze 24 July 2021 12: 03
                0
                1. Fredericks, this is actually the Minister of the Court. All the "highest" expenses and incomes were monitored ...

                2. Sorry, but the "head of the imperial library" is a character who is simply "adding to the collection." Incl. and under the whims of the Highest "customer". And for the orders of "Faberge eggs" and the replenishment of wine stocks of money that did not spare ...

                For this, you do not need me, helplessly, to "send" the imperial servants.

                And it is necessary, simply and clearly, to give HIS PERSONAL instructions for the acquisition of his personal library.

                The tact is the same as Peter the Great did. Unlike the crowned mediocrity, he read books, and not "collects" ...

                As for the "contractors", they only made bookshelves and built-in wardrobes.

                It was not the library that was "built" according to some "sketches" of Nicholas No. 2. For the Winter Palace, just in case, was built long before its birth.

                So the "scribe" your "highest" was only actively interested in INTERIOR DECORATION. This will not be enough ...

                But the evidence of interest and activity of this "builder" in the acquisition of content, you have been very difficult to bring for two days ...

                Why is this so? ..
              6. Olgovich
                Olgovich 24 July 2021 12: 54
                -4
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                1. Fredericks, this is actually the Minister of the Court. All the "highest" expenses and incomes were monitored ...

                It was about who completed the LIBRARY.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                Sorry, but the "head of the imperial library" is a character who is simply "adding to the collection." Incl. and under the whims of the Highest "customer".

                this is the one that just followed the DIRECTIONS of the Emperor
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                For this, you do not need me, helplessly, to "send" the imperial servants.

                if you don’t understand: you are sent much, much further. yes

                But, upon reaching the originally indicated sources of information.


                Quote: ABC-schütze
                And it is necessary, simply and clearly, to give HIS PERSONAL instructions for the acquisition of his personal library.

                P 2. simply and clearly it can be seen from the COMPOSITION of the books of the library, formed by him PERSONALLY. For this is the PERSONAL library of the Emperor.
                And even in the Winter Palace there were STILL libraries
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                The tact is the same as Peter the Great did. Unlike the crowned mediocrity, he read books, and not "collects" ...

                Soviet alcoholics are all trying on their principles of "forming" "libraries" (the roots match the color of the wallpaper) on great people lol, as they believe that since there is wine in the cellar, it must be drunk until then. screeching like they

                So I'll tell them a secret: there are other principles, yes
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                As for the "contractors", they only made bookshelves and built-in wardrobes.

                we know, we know: Rodin also only spoiled the marble, and did not create the Eternal Spring.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                It was not the library that was "built" according to some "sketches" of Nicholas No. 2. For the Winter Palace, just in case, was built long before its birth.

                lol Those. today in your apartment, for example, a library cannot be built fool
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                But the evidence of interest and activity of this "builder" in the acquisition of content, you have been very difficult to bring for two days ...

                Why is this so? ..

                I will explain: someone just has difficulty understanding what they have read, see p2.

                And this is with complete distracted attention and inability to concentrate (I am writing the THIRD time): what do we have with your "highly intelligent"
                There is one experienced scout in Germany, in Berlin. That's when you might have to visit Berlin, Josephine Genzi, maybe some of you know. She is a beautiful woman. The scout is old. She recruited Karakhan. She recruited on the basis of the women’s unit. She recruited Yenukidze. She helped recruit Tukhachevsky. She is also holding Rudzutaka in her hands. This is a very experienced scout, Josephine Genzi. As if she herself is a Danish in the service of the German Reichswehr. Beautiful, very willingly goes to all sorts of offers from men, and then ruins. You may have read an article in Pravda about some insidious methods of recruiters. Here she is one of the scouts of the German Reichswehr who distinguished themselves in this field. Here are the people.
                etc.

                again ... "do not see"? lol

                a disgrace ....
              7. ABC-schütze
                ABC-schütze 25 July 2021 19: 55
                -1
                Just until we are distracted from the topic and it does not give you to do it ...

                And so, we continue ...

                1. In the Winter Palace, the "enlightened" crowned mediocrity, upon "accession" to the throne, NEVER LIVED. Found with his family in Tsarskoe Selo. And Winter used it sporadically, only for official ceremonies ... In a word, "Tsarskoye Selo gopher". And this is REALITY, not the fantasies of ordinary people ...

                So, taking into account the mentioned circumstance, he could not use his "personal library" in any way. Physically ...

                For this, books from his "personal library" were given to him "for reading" by SA Shcheglov, and you systematically refuse to clarify, at my request, the "register" of book requests of the crowned mediocre linguist. And this is not good ...

                2. We'll have to use the services of outsiders ...

                "In general, the sovereign was a man of average scale, who, undoubtedly, SHOULD BE WEARED BY STATE AFFAIRS and those difficult events that were full of his reign. Irresponsible and calm LIVING, I think, should have been more consistent with his inner disposition. Simple in life, an impeccable family man, very religious and who loved NOT TOO SERIOUS READING, PREVENTLY HISTORICAL, Emperor Nicholas, of course, although he loved Russia in his own way, longed for her greatness and mystically believed in the strength of his royal connection with the people. "

                This is the gene. Danilov ...

                You again have a chance, referring to the register of books ordered by Nikolai No. 2 from SA Shcheglov, to rehabilitate your client by "expanding" the mentioned gene. Danilov's circle of "book-reading" interests of the crowned mediocrity.

                Only, for God's sake, not by "newspapers" such as "Novoye Vremya", "Russkiye Vedomosti", "Kievlyanin" and the Russian word "...
              8. Olgovich
                Olgovich 26 July 2021 08: 01
                -4
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                Just until we are distracted from the topic and it does not give you to do it ...

                And so fool , continue ...

                1. In the Winter Palace, the "enlightened" crowned mediocrity, upon "accession" to the throne, NEVER LIVED.

                about HOUSING, we did not speak.

                He LIVED there with his family from December 1895.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                So, taking into account the mentioned circumstance, he could not use his "personal library" in any way. Physically ...

                In addition to his library, there was also Empress Library, which was in charge of Shcheglov.

                So, we will continue to "spread" the ignorant: The largest and continuously growing book collection from the personal libraries of Russian emperors and members of the royal family that were part of His Imperial Majesty's own libraries, there was the LIBRARY of Emperor Nicholas II. She was housed in the halls of the Winter Palace (15 books), as well as in the Alexander and Livadia palaces and on the imperial yacht Shtandart.

                The library belonged to among the largest book collections in Russia and was one of the richest in terms of a variety of topics... The collection contained books from the XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries. Sections included besides historical, philosophical, spiritual and moral, legal, military, natural science, fiction, reference, as well as materials on the history of the royal family, official documents, sections on agriculture, industry and railway transport. The collection included art albums, ancient Russian handwritten books. The library presented the best examples of editions of many universal and specialized publishing houses, printing houses, lithographs, both in Russia and in Europe. Works of famous scientists, writers, public figures with their autographs, tray copies, an extensive collection of magazines from the late XNUMXth - early XNUMXth centuries. The book collection reflected not only the personal interests of the owner, but also the political, cultural, social life of the state.

                He held the post of head of the imperial libraries from 1884 to 1903. R.A. Grimm, and V.V.Scheglov became his assistant and the next head of the department of the imperial libraries from 1903 to 1917. The last to hold this position until the end of 1918, the former deputy of V.V.Scheglov, V.V. Gelmersen

                Trofimova, D. L. The fate of the library of Emperor Nicholas II in the XNUMXth century

                The collection was replenished with copies delivered by scientific societies, government agencies, publishers, authors. NSon the personal instruction of the emperor, books were also purchased by the head of libraries, which presented to the emperor a list of publications required for the acquisition. The purchase of publications published abroad was traditionally entrusted to Russian consuls and hired correspondents from statesmen, scientists, historians, writers or publishers of other countries.

                Another source of acquisition of the library was acquisition of private collections and archives. Among them were acquired the libraries of Prince A.B. Lobanov-Rostovsky, Demidovs. In 1908, the publisher of the Russian Archive, the historian NI Bartenev, turned to Emperor Nicholas II with a petition that the library belonging to him be acquired for Tsarevich Alexei, with the possibility of free access to this library by Bartenev himself. In 1896, the historical archive of Count M.A.Korf with his diaries and the archive of the counts Mordvinovinovs were added to the manuscript department of the library.

                In addition to replenishing the book collection, there was also a continuous process of transferring books and other materials to libraries, museums, universities, schools and other institutionsthat did not belong to the royal family, both due to the accumulation of a large number of doublet copies, and individual gifts.

                Got it, no?

                So, what about ... JOSEPHINE GENZI from your "intellectual"?
                Are you in a stupor, as I see? Still, such a disgrace ... lol
  • Romans
    Romans 23 July 2021 18: 38
    0
    Olgovich, Nikolai lost the Kuril Islands, half of Sakhalin Island, all sorts of claims to Manchuria and North Korea. To the Bolsheviks, Nikolai left a very strong enemy in the east! In 1917 he betrayed Us all by his renunciation! Without him, the state of Ingushetia and the tsarist army were gone!
    Stalin, the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), the peoples of the USSR in 1945 erased both Germany and Japan as factors of international politics! The USSR directly or indirectly ruled all of Eastern Europe, Manchuria and North Korea! This has never happened in the history of Russia!
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 24 July 2021 13: 31
      -5
      Quote: Romani
      Olgovich, Nikolai lost the Kuril Islands, half of Sakhalin Island, all sorts of claims to Manchuria and North Korea.

      Alexander, under Nicholas HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND km2 (compare with the lost 30 thousand km2)
      Quote: Romani
      To the Bolsheviks, Nikolai left a very strong enemy in the east!

      Nicholas left the ALLY in the East (see WWI). What YOUR problems turned him into, yes.
      Quote: Romani
      In 1917 he betrayed Us all by his renunciation! Without him, the state of Ingushetia and the tsarist army were gone!

      the state RUSSIA REMAINED and the army too: it was not the Bolsheviks who defended the country from the German invaders ..

      The state is DESTROYED by a thief, the dumbest criminal decrees on the so-called. mire ", the dispersal of the US and it was the traitors, the Bolsheviks who demobilized the entire army and gave a third of Russia to their masters - the German occupiers - it's just data
      Quote: Romani
      Stalin, the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks), the peoples of the USSR in 1945 erased both Germany and Japan as factors of international politics!

      VKPB SAVED Germany in 1918 from the fate of Germany 1945.

      And the Second World War, therefore, is on her conscience.

      20th century is a century demographic catastrophe of the Russian people: victims of the Civil War unleashed by the Bolsheviks-25 million people, 700 thousand executed 37-38,
      hundreds of thousands of deceased exiled, more than a million died in camps, 7 million corpses from starvation 32-33 1,0-1,5 million in 47-48 years, a continuous decline in the birth rate, 200 abortions, the first places in alcohol, divorce, suicide , the wild ruin and depopulation of central Russia, the robbery of the Russian people in favor of anyone, etc., etc. Therefore, it collapsed, not holding out on anything:
      Quote: Romani
      The USSR directly or indirectly ruled all of Eastern Europe, Manchuria and North Korea!

      When the USSR "ruled" Europe, etc., its citizens ate and dressed, lived worse than in 1913, see the report of the USSR Central Statistical Office of 1955. And the Russians are even worse than the average in the USSR.

      In 1991, already THIRD regions of Russia (namely the RUSSIAN regions) lived in conditions of extinction of the population, the Non-Black Earth Region was ruined and dying out: in just 30 years by 1989, HALF of the settlements of Russia died out. more than 150 thousand settlements-see the census!
      What is .... "management" of .. Europe ?! belay
  • Boris55
    Boris55 21 July 2021 09: 11
    +12
    Quote: Olgovich
    the following rulers are "guilty" of aggression in 41 years against the USSR

    "You are to blame for the fact that I want to eat"
    WWII is a continuation of WWI.

    Quote: Olgovich
    but under the Bolsheviks, there was still some kind.

    The Civil War unleashed the Entente and it was caused by the fact that the Bolsheviks prevented the collapse of Russia.
    The Bolshevik movement, to preserve the integrity of Russia, was used by a group of tsarist generals-statesmen:
    - Head of the Main Intelligence Directorate Potapov;
    - Chief of the Main Artillery Directorate Manikovsky;
    - Barsukov, commander of special-purpose heavy artillery, and many others ...

    It is advisable to watch the video below in full, but if there is no time, then at least from 21 minutes.

    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 July 2021 10: 01
      -26%
      Quote: Boris55
      GW unleashed the Entente

      just learn the chronology: before the VOR-GV was NOT. It is a fact.

      They themselves admitted the fact of GW in November 1917
      Quote: Boris55
      the Bolsheviks prevented the collapse of Russia.

      the Bolsheviks destroyed Russia with first day (see in the WINDOW is THEIR result): the so-called. "decree on peace", the so-called. "declaration of the rights of the peoples of Russia;" recognition of the independence of Ukraine, the Baltic states, etc.

      Did you go to school at all? No.
      Quote: Boris55
      Bolshevik movement to preserve the integrity of Russia

      once again I strongly suggest to approach the OKNU.
      This OGRYZOK from Russia was created by them in just ... 23 years by 1940, reducing its territory at a speed one Crimea / year!

      This border is basically what Russia is today.

      1. Boris55
        Boris55 21 July 2021 10: 17
        +5
        Quote: Olgovich
        the Bolsheviks destroyed Russia from the first day

        June 4 (17), 1917 year at the I All-Russian Congress of Soviets, Minister of the Provisional Government I. G. Tsereteli: " Everything is lost, Russia is no more and there is no one to save it".
        And when did the Bolsheviks take power?

        Quote: Olgovich
        from this OGRYZOK from Russia they created in just ... 23 years by 1940

        By the 90s of the last century, there were practically no Bolsheviks in management. Who introduced 24 republics into modern Russia? Are they not the same as then?

        ps
        The division into republics is a postponed war on interethnic grounds in the future. Russia needs to resolve this issue (liquidation of national republics) immediately. Then Stalin failed to do this ...
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 July 2021 12: 16
          -18%
          Quote: Boris55
          On June 4 (17), 1917, at the I All-Russian Congress of Soviets, the Minister of the Provisional Government I. G. Tsereteli: "Everything is lost, Russia is no longer there and there is no one to save it."
          And when did the Bolsheviks take power?

          There was no GV before the Thief, I remind you again, only after and as a result of the Thief Russia lost in the GV unleashed by the Bolsheviks 25 million people (with indirect losses).
          This is ORDERLY more opter countries in the WORLD WAR!
          Quote: Boris55

          By the 90s of the last century, there were practically no Bolsheviks in management. Who introduced 24 republics into modern Russia? Are they not the same as then?

          Blolsheviks introduced republics to Russia since 1922
          Quote: Boris55
          The division into republics is a postponed war on interethnic grounds in the future. Russia needs to resolve this issue (liquidation of national republics) immediately. Then Stalin failed to do this ...

          I agree.

          Only it was Stalin in his constitution of 1936 who insisted on the right of the republics to exit, it was his initiative.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 21 July 2021 12: 33
        +10
        Quote: Olgovich
        just learn the chronology: before the VOR-GV was NOT. It is a fact.

        8 cons for a comment !! are you the only one so smart? And the fact that there was the April revolution, kerenki sacks, Order No. 1 that destroyed the army, is this not a prerequisite? And then the question: - what to call the beginning of the war: the date of its declaration or the date of the beginning of preparations for it?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 21 July 2021 12: 40
          -19%
          Quote: aybolyt678
          8 cons for a comment !!

          Oh no no no!!! belay
          Quote: aybolyt678
          And the fact that there was the April revolution

          faq, faq ?! belay lol even in the Afghani singularity of 197 g is the Imperial guilty?
          It's five!
          Quote: aybolyt678
          aren't they preconditions?

          preconditions with Adam and Eve began, yes. And we are talking about GV
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 July 2021 13: 32
            +4
            Quote: Olgovich
            faq, faq ?! even in the Afghani singularity of 197 g is the Imperial guilty?

            Either rogues or foreign spies took part in the April revolution, as can be seen from the results of his activities. And about Adam and Eve, you are absolutely right, the Lord created man as extremely sinful creatures, and HE is to blame for everything! - based on your logic, of course. laughing
            The quality of the best commentator has dried up .... request It is a pity.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 July 2021 14: 37
              -13%
              Quote: aybolyt678
              Either rogues or foreign spies participated in the April revolution, this can be seen from the results of his activities

              what are you talking about? What is the "April revolution in ... Russia?"
              Quote: aybolyt678
              about Adam and Eve

              how tired you are quickly: go to school with your "knowledge"
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 21 July 2021 15: 57
                +3
                what are you talking about? What is the "April revolution in ... Russia?"
                most likely it meant the April crisis of 1917. Link? Not a question - https://istoriarusi.ru/cccp/aprelskiy-krizis-vremennogo-pravitelstva.html
                ...... go to school with your "knowledge"
                After all, you skipped the history lessons)))
                how bored you are ...
                "Oh everyone!" (C) Olgovich good
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 July 2021 06: 30
                  -10%
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  most likely it meant the April crisis of 1917. Link? Not a question - https://istoriarusi.ru/cccp/aprelskiy-krizis-vremennogo-pravitelstva.html

                  if you do not understand WHAT is a revolution and do not know that in April 17 it was not and that the April revolution is Afghan, then-to freedom! yes
      3. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 16: 45
        +4
        The picture is wrong. Painted white is also Russia.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 22 July 2021 06: 27
          -10%
          Quote: Sahar Medovich
          artina is wrong. Colored white is tAuger Russia.

          Get out in the WINDOW, finally, for the first time in 30 years fool
          1. Sugar Honeyovich
            Sugar Honeyovich 22 July 2021 16: 28
            0
            Quote: Olgovich
            Get out in the WINDOW, finally, for the first time in 30 years

            I don't need this to know the truth. Unlike fool
      4. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 08: 15
        +2
        once again I strongly suggest to approach the OKNU.
        They created this LOAD from Russia in just .... 23 years by 1940, reducing its territory at a rate of one Crimea / year!
        In a sense, by 1940 there was no Kazakhstan in the USSR, judging by the map? So General Panfilov formed his division on the territory of a foreign state? what Was Belarus also "abroad"? And the Germans burned villages not on the territory of the USSR? Hmmm ... Khatyn is there, and thousands more were burned along with people. And the inhabitants of the countries painted with yellow, who fought on the fronts of the Second World War, it turns out were mercenaries?
        This border is basically what Russia is today.
        Yes. Exists. The only question is - thanks to whom? Apparently to the Bolsheviks? request So my relatives (Ukraine, Kazakhstan) have been living abroad all this time?
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 July 2021 07: 11
          -6
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          In a sense, by 1940 there was no Kazakhstan in the USSR, judging by the map?

          in the sense of Kazastan is NOT Russia.

          Got it, no?

          Then look out the window - today is arrangedin 1936 g (to my mind)
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Belarus was also "abroad"?

          not Russia.

          Again, to the window-march!
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          And the inhabitants of the countries painted with yellow, who fought on the fronts of the Second World War, it turns out were mercenaries?

          fool Lavrov-you., Yes
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Yes. Exists. The only question is - thanks to whom? Apparently to the Bolsheviks?

          And who gave Odessa, Uralsk and other ukrokazakhstan-Pushkin?
      5. Kwas
        Kwas 22 July 2021 15: 28
        +3
        Quote: Olgovich
        just learn the chronology: before the VOR-GV was NOT. It is a fact.
        They themselves admitted the fact of GW in November 1917

        That is, in your opinion, the Kronstadt massacre is not an act of civil war, right? Well, that means you are just a formalist.
        Quote: Olgovich
        They created this LOAD from Russia in just ... 23 years by 1940,

        Again formalism. The boundaries of the State were different, much more complete. And what you call Russia at that time was nothing more than an administrative education.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 23 July 2021 07: 21
          -7
          Quote: Kwas
          That is, in your opinion, the Kronstadt massacre is not an act of civil war, right? Well, that means you are just a formalist.

          that is, in your opinion, the massacre in the apartment of Moscow in April of several people or yesterday's murder in the same place is ... acts of the Civil War?

          Learn WHAT is GW
          And yes, even the burly dwarf did not speak about GV before the thief
          Quote: Kwas
          Again formalism. The boundaries of the State were different, much more complete. And what you call the then Russiawas nothing more than an administrative education.

          you are illiterate: it was the STATE with the RAVE of the EXIT-read their Constitution.

          If a purely administrative division, why didn't they leave RUSSIA, but CUT it to Ukraine, which is terribly expensive?

          Not clean, then?
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 21 July 2021 12: 11
    +4
    Quote: Olgovich
    if he is "guilty" of aggression against Russia, then the following rulers are "guilty" of aggression in 41 years against the USSR

    And the Germans did not share WWI and WWII. For them, it was one war, with a humiliating break. So Nikolai is guilty of the Second World War.
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 21 July 2021 12: 37
      -17%
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      And the Germans did not share WWI and WWII.

      and I don't care about the Germans.
      Quote: Mordvin 3
      So Nikolai is guilty of the Second World War.

      and the assassinations of Kennedy and Lee Harvey Oswald, yes.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 21 July 2021 16: 32
        +6
        and I don't care about the Germans.
        those. Did Germany exist in some kind of parallel dimension and did not influence the world in any way? Including events in Russia / USSR? Ie - "I play here, I don't play here, but here I wrapped the fish"? good comfortable position. Like the USSR - by default, a pile of bloody feces. And RI is the promised land. Those. "or or". You know, this is the level of thinking of a teenager. It is called youthful maximalism. Well, or those who remained in the perception of the world at the same level. wink
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 22 July 2021 07: 08
          -12%
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          ie Germany existed

          no need to translate me into Russian: it is said to spit, which means that it was meant, without i.e.

          got it
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          Like the USSR - by default, a pile of bloody feces. And RI is the promised land.

          Again "ie" fool WHERE is it written?
          There was no Promised Land ANYWHERE, but Russia, of course, was much freer, more well-fed and convenient for the life of the country.
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          It is called youthful maximalism. Well, or those who remained in the perception of the world at the same level.

          who are interested in your sorrowful meager "knowledge of psychology?"
          Leave them to yourself so you don't trigger, um, pity yes
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 07: 51
            +2
            Again "ie" fool WHERE is it written?
            it shows through in EVERY post. Moreover, you appear with your "historical opuses" only where there is an opportunity to shit (not to criticize, namely to shit), distort, distort the facts, distort, shout about one thing loudly, but what is not profitable to keep silent about. Well, in general, everything is as we love)))
            no need to translate me into Russian: it is said to spit, which means that it was meant, without i.e.
            It is necessary! It is necessary to translate into Russian.
            who is interested in your mournful meager "knowledge of psychology?
            whoever needs it will be interested) Whoever does not need it will not be interested wink
            Keep them with you so you don't call, um, pity yes
            "This is a free country! Isn't it?" (c) x / f "Big jackpot"
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 22 July 2021 10: 04
              -11%
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              it shows through in EVERY post.

              it "comes through" in draft heads, but I just have FACTS
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              It is necessary! It is necessary to translate into Russian

              you will learn Russian, to begin with, lol
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              whoever needs it will be interested) Whoever does not need it will not be interested

              show at least one lol
              Quote: Region-25.rus
              "This is a free country! Isn't it?"

              today is definitely not what your Middle Ages are.
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 10: 33
                +1
                but I just have FACTS
                in the sense of the fact that
                They created this LOAD from Russia in just .... 23 years by 1940, reducing its territory at a rate of one Crimea / year!
                Well, in your parallel universe, there may be a fact. The fact is that the USSR in the fortieth year was an analogue of modern Russia in terms of territory. By the way, I live in Russia wink Well, maybe we have the Middle Ages. And you? Well, in the sense of where you live, apparently "shining hail on the hill"? good
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 July 2021 11: 41
                  -10%
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  ... The fact that The USSR in the fortieth year was on the territory of the analogue of modern Russia .

                  belay fool lolto school, dear man!
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  And by the way, I live in Russia. Well, maybe we have the Middle Ages.

                  it is today that Russia is a free country, and not earlier
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  I do not know what history (and most importantly where) you "studied", but in real reality the territories from RI began to "fall off" after the February Revolution.

                  roll up your comms, false "stories and yes!" lol Hack it on your forehead: NONE of independence was declared before the thieves, ALL of them were announced only AFTER the THIEF and as the RESULT of the THIEF.

                  NOBODY proclaimed it before the THIEF.

                  All these PERFECT "Rada" did not represent anyone, they were not elected by anyone.

                  Here you have seen Svidomo nationalists themselves. (ukroistorik Savchenko, "12 wars for Ukraine"):
                  despite the self-proclamation of the autonomy of Ukraine, back in June 1917, this autonomy did not actually exist until the end of October 1917, as real power in the so-called Southwestern provinces of Russia was held by Provisional Government of the Russian Republic.

                  Only with the fall of the Provisional Government in Petrograd, opportunities opened up for the transfer of all power in Ukraine into the hands of the Central Rada


                  The same with everyone: the conference in Siberia adopted an UNCONDITIONAL united Russia within the framework of the future constitution.

                  Amusing, unselected Belrads and no one knew.

                  do not read Bolshevik historians and newspapers: the essence of the Bolsheviks is continuous lie
                2. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 11: 52
                  0
                  The amusing, unselected Belrads did not represent ANYONE, and NOBODY knew them.
                  and they did not fight with all sorts of Basmachs, of course, beys, beys, and other self-proclaimed kings wink
                  the essence of the bolsheviks is a continuous lie
                  the essence of a modern liberal patriot is to prove that:
                  1. "The USSR was a continuous gulag and a prison of peoples."
                  2. "RI - was an earthly paradise, cloth-like-skeletal-Orthodox"
                  3. "Modern Russia with all the nishtyaks in the form of an increase in pension age, ditched education and medicine, mortgages, with a minimum wage at the level" just not to die "," you can eat macaroons "," the state did not ask you to give birth "and so on and other - there is an essence zashibis good
                  ... The fact is that the USSR in the fortieth year was an analogue of modern Russia in terms of territory.
                  full quote -
                  Well, in your parallel universe, there may be a fact. The fact is that the USSR in the fortieth year was an analogue of modern Russia in terms of territory.
                  here are your "facts" good
                  and there is a difference between "inaccurate quotations that do not distort the meaning", and pulling out of context - designed to completely distort the meaning and thought inherent in the quotation hi In general, everything is according to modern manuals)
                3. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 22 July 2021 14: 21
                  -10%
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  and they did not fight with all sorts of Basmachs, of course, beys, beys, and other self-proclaimed kings

                  after Thief.
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  1. "The USSR was a continuous gulag and a prison of peoples."
                  2. "RI - was an earthly paradise, cloth-like-skeletal-Orthodox"

                  don't you understand Russian at all?
                  Once again for tankers: there was no promised land ANYWHERE, but Russia, of course, was a much freer, satiated and comfortable country for life.
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  "Modern Russia with all the nishtyaks in the form of an increase in pension age, ditched education and medicine, mortgages, with a minimum wage at the level of" just not to die "," you can eat macaroons "," the state did not ask you to give birth "and so on and so on - there is a gist of it

                  work go and find-work SHAFT, and do not moan about a handout, but not one, but three children had to be born.
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  Well, in your parallel universe, there may be a fact. The fact is that the USSR in the fortieth year was an analogue of modern Russia in terms of territory.
                  here are your "facts"
                  and there is a difference between "imprecise quotes that do not distort the meaning

                  what is the point in this meaningless incoherent quote
                  Well, in your parallel universe, there may be a fact. The fact is that the USSR in the fortieth year was an analogue of modern Russia in terms of territory.
                  ?
                  WHAT can be understood here? fool lol
                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  designed to completely distort meaning и think in the quote

                  ah, there was also a thought? WHERE? belay fool lol
                4. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 15: 10
                  -1
                  ah, there was also a thought? WHERE? belay fool lol
                  - "it is known .... where!" wink "Do you see the thought? Here I am not. But it is!" fellow
                5. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 15: 21
                  0
                  Olgovich. I'm wondering if you yourself believe in those nonsense that you write? repeat It doesn't matter though. You are doing a good deed - the more you carry nonsense, the more you discredit yourself and those who drive state employees to all sorts of flash mobs in T-shirts of a famous party good
            2. Foul skeptic
              Foul skeptic 22 July 2021 14: 14
              +1
              real power in the so-called South-Western provinces of Russia held the Provisional Government of the Russian Republic

              Only because after the July uprising in Kiev, those few units that were still under the control of the VP were brought in and quartered. And the UPR in the same way would lie under Germany in order to remove the troops of the VP, as it did to fight off the troops of the Bolsheviks. The CR did not have any fullness of power with the fall of the interim government, if only because the UPR fought for this very fullness of power with the UPR.
        2. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 22 July 2021 10: 47
          0
          but I just have FACTS
          and more about the facts. I do not know what history (and most importantly where) you "studied", but in real reality the territories from RI began to "fall off" after the February Revolution. And not if not after Oktyabrskaya fellow (suddenly so huh?))) https://istoriarusi.ru/imper/raspad-rossiyskoy-imperii.html
          Of course, you won't read, but it will be informative for others) And for the seed - these are facts! Described in many documents, documentaries and historical and artistic works, films ..
  • Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 21 July 2021 15: 33
    +4
    the Germans did not share WWI and WWII. It's one war for them

    And now you can cite at least one historical monograph written after 09.05.1945/XNUMX/XNUMX in Germany, where this point of view would be expressed.
    Oh, yes, for obvious reasons I do not care about Hitler's nonsense (including Hitler-Goebbels whining about the "bad and dishonest Treaty of Versailles") from the high bell tower. Their poisonous ravings in the written form have a place in the garbage incinerator. Burn without reading.
  • Fitter65
    Fitter65 21 July 2021 16: 10
    +5
    Quote: Olgovich
    The Bolsheviks (who did not represent Russia) were defeated in the WTO - read Brest. peace, and only the German invaders and their henchmen, the Bolsheviks, recognized it. Nobody else.

    Even fully occupied Serbia and Romania turned out to be the victors, and there could be no question of the occupation of Russia by agonizing Germany.

    O again carried the nonsense,
  • sibiryouk
    sibiryouk 21 July 2021 16: 15
    +6
    `` There was no GV during his time '' - but there was a revolution of 1905 and the numerous actions of the working people that preceded and followed it, from economic strikes and strikes to political protests!
  • Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 16: 35
    +7
    Quote: Olgovich
    there was no GW with him, yes.

    Well, yes, the events throughout the country in 1905-07 with the participation of the army with the use of artillery were riots. Not to mention the little things like the shooting of the striking workers.
    Quote: Olgovich
    The Bolsheviks (who did not represent Russia) were defeated in WTO

    If the Bolsheviks did not represent Russia, then they did not lose. And if they lost, then they represented Russia.
    Quote: Olgovich
    it was recognized only by the German invaders and their henchmen, the Bolsheviks. Nobody else.

    And independent Ukrainians, before the Bolsheviks, concluded their own Brest-Litovsk Peace. And the newly minted powers begged for themselves German princes as kings. This, too, was not recognized by anyone (including the Bolsheviks), except for the Germans and their servants. And yes - moving into Russia, the Germans put anyone in power, but the Bolsheviks were overthrown without fail. Strange relationship with "minions".
    Quote: Olgovich
    the occupation of Russia by agonizing Germany was out of the question.

    The speech, however, was then. And not one. Because it was obvious that Russia was in agony, and Germany was very strong.
  • Finches
    Finches 21 July 2021 20: 03
    -1
    My virtual friend, Olgovich, did not respond to my comment, but put a plus, we have enough disagreements. A clever man in History, who understands everything, only, like me, he can't do much ...
    1. Olgovich
      Olgovich 22 July 2021 07: 14
      -8
      Quote: Finches
      My virtual friend, Olgovich, did not respond to my comment, but put a plus, we have enough disagreements. A smart man in History, who understands everything, just like me, he can't do it too much.

      Greetings, Evgeny hi

      did not find your comment, alas. recourse
      Quote: Finches
      just like me especially to do unable.

      You can and do - your position of a CITIZEN - earns sincere respect.
    2. Pushkar
      Pushkar 23 July 2021 12: 21
      -1
      Quote: Finches
      My virtual friend, Olgovich, did not respond to my comment, but put a plus, we have enough disagreements. A clever man in History, who understands everything, only, like me, he can't do much ...

      He didn’t react, he couldn’t ... However, "Why does the cuckoo praise the rooster - because he praises the cuckoo." Continue, gentlemen, it’s interesting.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 21 July 2021 21: 45
    0
    Quote: Olgovich
    there was no GW with him

    with him not, but it happened as a result of the absence of the Emperor, Dudayev (so that the devils in hell would not forget to pour resin) at one time said we are ready to be part of the USSR but we do not want to be in the Russian Federation
    when the connecting symbol in the Empire is destroyed, the Empire collapses, and without a civil war, this process is not possible
    so the fault lies entirely with nicholas
  • knn54
    knn54 21 July 2021 08: 01
    +6
    NOTHING would have happened if the British cousin King George 5 would have helped Nicholas 2 and his family, as the British government insisted on.
    In the execution of the Russian tsar, the British crown was at one with the murderers
    This is called betrayal. In Britain it is considered "political wisdom."
    Someone from the entourage said that the regiment is capable of command, the empire is not.
    That's the whole story.
    It is not easy to condemn a person who was betrayed by EVERYONE, even close relatives. He loved his family too much (above all), which is not permissible for the Emperor.
    And I don’t want to talk about the "thugs" from the Ural Council, the brainchild of Sverdlov.
  • Boris55
    Boris55 21 July 2021 08: 27
    +14
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    and the Civil War, where we were defeated?

    In a civil war where YOU were defeated? How could it be otherwise?
    1. Kwas
      Kwas 22 July 2021 15: 36
      -2
      I would not like to screw up, but in Russia even now a civil war is possible. But what is remarkable is that THEY will again lose in it, and again they will not understand why. And the reason is extremely simple - the ruling class has lost its scent.
  • Serg koma
    Serg koma 21 July 2021 05: 41
    +21
    Why was Nicholas ranked among the saints? If the Russian Orthodox Church is objective in its actions - "desecration of the body of priyasha" Russian emperors are not canonized
    : Fedor II; Ivan VI; Peter III Paul I; Alexander II
    So it's not the first time that the ROC has been promoting itself to please the conjuncture of the political market - it's a shame ...
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 21 July 2021 05: 51
      +22
      I agree. Citizen Romanov is not drawn to the saint.
  • svp67
    svp67 21 July 2021 04: 56
    +23
    I would still call him not a "colonel", but a "citizen" ...
    The story is certainly tragic, but, alas, everything is within the "framework of history". The law of the struggle for power says that the overthrown dynasty must be destroyed in order to prevent revenge ...
    terminally ill disabled person Aleksey and his daughter's hemophilia carriers had no chance of a full family life,

    If everything is more or less clear in relation to Alexei, then in relation to girls - no, it has already been proven by medicine that hemophilia is not transmitted 100% to children, otherwise we would not have seen many European royal dynasties now ...
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 July 2021 05: 16
      +14
      Quote: svp67
      I would still call him not "colonel", but "citizen"

      I completely agree that if Nikolai did not change his oath, then he did something close and certainly unworthy of being an officer.

      There is no USSR either, and the revival of Soviet socialism is impossible, the era is gone, people are gone, the world has become different.
      In its former form, of course, but the world is changing and socialism is changing too.
      1. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 21 July 2021 08: 49
        +4
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        In its former form, of course, but the world is changing and socialism is changing too.

        For many, the cliché is that Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, but this is just a way of distributing the social product. The progressive scale of taxation is practically an element of socialism. Under socialism, it is easier to survive, it is easier to transfer the economy to a war footing ... Socialism after the First World War was simply inevitable, now the need for it is ripe, and this explains such popularity of Stalin,
        1. Terran ghost
          Terran ghost 21 July 2021 15: 29
          0
          For many, the stamp that Socialism is public ownership of the means of production, but this is just a way of distributing the social product

          Socialism is precisely public ownership of the means of production. Directly by definition of this socio-economic system.
          1. aybolyt678
            aybolyt678 21 July 2021 15: 49
            +2
            Quote: Terran Ghost
            Socialism is precisely public ownership of the means of production. Directly by definition of this socio-economic system.

            this is an erroneous definition. The modern view of socialism lies in its division into elements: ideological, economic and social. Free medicine, education, social housing, these are all remnants of socialism, its integral elements. Cooperative ownership is also public, which Khrushchev transferred to the state and buried ... Therefore, ownership of the means of production is a wrong sign. Take an interest in the Mondragon corporation in Spain, based on your logic, Socialism is built there. within the corporation, of course.
            1. Terran ghost
              Terran ghost 21 July 2021 17: 28
              0
              this is an erroneous definition

              And what is it wrong.
              Free medicine, education, social housing, these are all remnants of socialism

              All this exists quite well in countries in which there has never been any economic system other than the capitalist one.
              The priorities are wrong here. Of course, when a socialist society is built, it will fully guarantee universally recognized personal, political, economic and cultural human rights and freedoms, including the right to free education, medical care, and social services.
              At the same time, the very existence of the above social rights does not in itself mean that there is a socialist economy in society.
              Therefore, ownership of the means of production is a wrong sign. Take an interest in the Mondragon corporation in Spain, based on your logic

              This is the only significant sign. And the example you cited, well, actually, is just an example of the fact that public ownership of the means of production is quite efficient. And as I sincerely hope, this is just an example of the "maturation" of future socialist socio-economic relations within the dominant capitalist ones. How at one time capitalist relations themselves arose and "matured" within the then dominant feudalism.
              1. aybolyt678
                aybolyt678 21 July 2021 17: 51
                +1
                Quote: Terran Ghost
                The priorities are wrong here.

                there is such a recognized researcher of Marxism-Leninism of socialism and communism Mikhail Popov. He has a book "Dialectics. The Path to Truth". There he very concretely proves that Socialism exists in different countries, and in our country too ... And that its elements were borrowed precisely from the USSR and that ownership of the means of production does not have to be public. And what you say is from the classics, it is already outdated and does not correspond to the Truth. Here is an example: Value is labor embodied in a commodity, this is Marx, Value is energy embodied in a commodity, there is an actual definition of Value.
                1. Terran ghost
                  Terran ghost 23 July 2021 09: 44
                  +1
                  Here is an example: Value is labor embodied in a commodity, this is Marx, Value is energy embodied in a commodity, there is an actual definition of Value.

                  But in contrast to the definition of Karl Marx, there is an obvious flaw in your definition. Electricity is not supplied by magical fairies and unicorns from a magical land, and oil and natural gas are not produced by magical goblins and leprechauns from there. Both are products of human labor.
                  and that ownership of the means of production need not be public

                  For socialism, exactly what it should be. Actually, this is one of the key features that distinguish socialism from the same capitalism.
                  1. aybolyt678
                    aybolyt678 23 July 2021 11: 46
                    +1
                    Quote: Terran Ghost
                    Electricity is not supplied by magical fairies and unicorns from a magical land, and oil with natural gas is not produced by magical goblins and leprechauns from there. Both are products of human labor.

                    You are five plus for the political economy of the century before last good only a flaw, I somehow did not notice smile on the contrary, I strengthened my convictions after reading your post. drinks because if, for example, electricity is a product of labor, then it has a value in your sense. That is, labor embodied in the product. I just propose to measure Labor not by the hours of work of a specialist, but by the total amount of consumed electricity. Then many things that do not fit well, immediately fall into place!
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 July 2021 06: 50
      +2
      As far as I know, female hemophilia is not detected.
      1. svp67
        svp67 21 July 2021 12: 20
        +3
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        As far as I know, female hemophilia is not detected.

        Does not appear, or rather
    3. Kwas
      Kwas 22 July 2021 15: 39
      -1
      Well, Alexey would not have passed it on, but he could have children. By the way, he could become a good sovereign, childhood trials harden the will and sometimes give wisdom ...
  • Eug
    Eug 21 July 2021 05: 11
    +11
    I am not a fan of Nicholas II, but with his abdication the story is very murky - the signature in pencil raises certain doubts. As for me, Russia is very unlucky with the fact that a person is at the helm who is not ready to make difficult decisions in difficult times. Enemies, they are, they feel weakness and vulnerability instantly. As for me, he should have abdicated earlier, back in the region of 1903, or not be crowned at all. In whose favor - it's hard for me to say, but, as for me, there were more worthy representatives of the dynasty. But this is all - the subjunctive mood ...
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 21 July 2021 05: 15
      +13
      Probably, even during the race from the Japanese policeman, one had to think about where the spineless coward would lead the empire
      1. Babay Atasovich
        Babay Atasovich 21 July 2021 05: 37
        +11
        Quote: Cowbra
        Probably, even during the race from the Japanese policeman, one had to think about where the spineless coward would lead the empire

        Absolutely agree! Nikolashka and Humpbacked are the same type of spineless. yes
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 17: 29
      +2
      Quote: Eug
      pencil signature raises some doubts

      Absolutely none. He often signed documents with a pencil.
  • Ravik
    Ravik 21 July 2021 05: 57
    +8
    This is payback for January 9th ...
  • parusnik
    parusnik 21 July 2021 05: 59
    +10
    The dynasty of the Romanovs was born, existed, on blood, murder and betrayal, and so it ended, with Mikhail it began, with Mikhail it ended. And the dynasty itself was not healthy, painful, so if you look, you get the impression of Death, it just followed the dynasty on its heels.
    1. C-X
      C-X 21 July 2021 06: 14
      +8
      By the way, the article says that Nikolai abdicated and that's it (to nowhere) - but he renounced in favor of Mikhail, and he no longer wanted to take power ...
      It is believed that he would need to abdicate in favor of the underage Alexei, and even if he was killed, then the power was not formally thrown.
      Further, there would be some kind of procedure for the throne of inheritance, but maybe there was no provisional government.

      As for me, the article is not SUPER-GOOD
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 21 July 2021 06: 21
        +7
        The dynasty itself was sentenced when it ascended the throne. For 300 years, it went to its death.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 21 July 2021 07: 52
          +4
          Quote: parusnik
          For 300 years, it went to its death.

          The idea is interesting, in some ways you can agree.
          All empires are on their way to destruction, the Roman Empire was disintegrating for several centuries, the USSR was enough for several decades, the Romanovs were enough for 300 years.
          When exactly the disintegration of Imperial Russia accelerated, no one will say for sure, there is an opinion - after the assassination of Paul I
          1. Kwas
            Kwas 22 July 2021 15: 44
            +1
            Quote: bober1982
            When exactly the disintegration of Imperial Russia accelerated, no one will say for sure, there is an opinion - after the assassination of Paul I

            I support the opinion. Palace coups still kept them in good shape, did not allow them to relax, and rejected the inept.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 21 July 2021 06: 59
        +2
        Quote: C-X
        It is believed that he would need to abdicate in favor of the underage Alexei, and even if he was killed, then the power was not formally thrown.

        Then, in fact, Grishka Novykh would rule. And, incidentally, he was already banged. Give the throne to a hemophilic child? So so idea.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 21 July 2021 08: 01
          -2
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Then, in fact, Grishka Novykh would rule

          They wrote a lot of gossip about Grigory Efimovich, they talked a lot about the person, even the gendarmerie was connected and engaged in fraud.
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          But, however, he was already banged

          He was slammed by British intelligence, it has been proven.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 21 July 2021 12: 01
            +3
            Quote: bober1982
            He was slammed by British intelligence, it has been proven.

            And I don't argue with that. Grishka was against the war with Germany, it seems. And where there is slander, and where not, the devil himself will not understand.
    2. Gardamir
      Gardamir 21 July 2021 07: 01
      +1
      dynasty of Romanovs,
      As they say, everything is complicated here. There were Zakharyins and suddenly decided to become Romanovs. (Keep in mind Roma) And then even Wikipedia says that Russia has been ruled by the Holstein-Gottorp since the 18th century. Do not forget the photo where Kolya number two and Zhora number five are just like twins.
    3. bober1982
      bober1982 21 July 2021 07: 29
      +2
      Quote: parusnik
      The dynasty of the Romanovs was born, existed, on blood, murder and betrayal, and so it ended, with Mikhail the beginning, Mikhail ended

      Not certainly in that way.
      The Ipatiev Monastery was the cradle of the Romanov dynasty, from which the reign began, and ended with the Ipatiev House, as the end of the entire dynasty.
      It turns out curiously, I mean that there is nothing accidental here.
      The article itself, to put it mildly, is not very good, even the title is stupid (Colonel Romanov)
  • serg.shishkov2015
    serg.shishkov2015 21 July 2021 06: 00
    +5
    My attitude towards the last Russian tsar is extremely negative. There are reasons for that! But I consider the shooting of the royal family to be an indelible stain in the history of our country. and I do not understand why THEY were canonized, and the servants who remained with the family to the end, no!
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 21 July 2021 08: 28
      +9
      and I do not understand why THEY were canonized, and the servants who remained with the family to the end, no!

      In the ROC there is a limit on the saints.
    2. alstr
      alstr 21 July 2021 09: 45
      +10
      Yes. okay. How many kings and queens were executed in England? And no one blames them for it.
      And in France they are generally proud of it.
    3. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 16: 40
      +4
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      I do not understand why THEY were canonized, and the servants who remained with the family to the end, no!

      And what is incomprehensible here? Politics, sir! As well as of all the murdered Romanovs (the Rurikovichs and Godunovs are so far uncountable), only Nicholas II was canonized, and the others were not. Although Ivan 2 is a great martyr completely and completely.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 22 July 2021 01: 28
        0
        Well, at the very beginning, it was written that Nicholas 2 was not canonized, but it is called differently, not on the same level, let's say for example with Ushakov
        1. Sugar Honeyovich
          Sugar Honeyovich 22 July 2021 03: 38
          +2
          The principle is important here, not the level.
    4. Pushkar
      Pushkar 23 July 2021 12: 33
      0
      Quote: serg.shishkov2015
      I do not understand why THEY were canonized, and the servants who remained with the family to the end, no!

      The Romanovs are not saints for the ROC, but "royal passion-bearers."
  • Krasnodar
    Krasnodar 21 July 2021 06: 04
    +2
    I feel sorry for his children
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 21 July 2021 06: 45
      -2
      Even for the fact that the CHILDREN regretted what that .... put a minus. An eternal ban for such a thing!
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 06: 48
        -1
        What is the next denouncer of the communist doctor
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 21 July 2021 06: 54
          -3
          Quote: Krasnodar
          What is the next denouncer of the communist doctor

          And it seems to me that one native of the unfinished just walks along the branch and, without reading everyone, minuses
        2. Avior
          Avior 21 July 2021 07: 26
          +7
          Unfortunately, the system of autocratic power is arranged in such a way that the tsar has no children - there are heirs to the throne. :(
          And daughters cannot be excluded from this either - there were precedents in Russia.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 July 2021 07: 36
            0
            Still feel sorry for them
            And the closest to Nicolas Romanov, outside of Russia, was not a problem to find
            The same heir and future autocrat
            1. Avior
              Avior 21 July 2021 07: 56
              +6
              As a symbol, other Romanovs were much less suitable than the direct heirs of the tsar, even if they could formally claim the throne.
              A completely different level of influence on the masses and the perception of the individual. Actually, life is clear and showed - none of them was chosen as a symbol for the struggle.
              And the conflicts for the throne between them were for a very long time, so they were in a close position.
              Not as sure as in the movies

              But there were
              https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Претенденты_на_российский_престол_после_1917_года
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 21 July 2021 09: 07
                +2
                laughing good Children of Lieutenant Schmidt ..))
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 21 July 2021 18: 30
        +3
        Even for the fact that the CHILDREN regretted what that .... put a minus.

        He just doesn't know how to do anything else. Like a trained monkey - the simplest paw movements. laughing
    2. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 16: 41
      +8
      It is also a pity for those children who were knocked down from trees on 09.01.1905/XNUMX/XNUMX.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 18: 00
        +4
        It is definitely a pity
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2021 18: 32
      +3
      Even when conducting "official" hostilities, the targeted killing of civilians is considered a war crime, here ... Children are killed not by people, but by non-people.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 19: 12
        +2
        Greetings, Constantine! hi
        Those who have been screwed up since elementary school can do this with children.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 25
          +4
          Hi Albert! hi
          Somehow "out of the blue" information slipped through that the order to destroy the entire royal family was given by Yasha Sverdlov. Heard anything? And what about communications during that troubled time?
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 21 July 2021 19: 45
            +1
            I read many versions, the only one that I remember was Lenin's order. About Sverdlov and other cheto flashed in the yellow pseudo-patriotic press, but there was more pathos and arguments about the ritual-religious nature of the murder than facts. Nevertheless, this could have been the initiative of anyone, incl. Yasha.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 July 2021 19: 55
              +3
              It's not for nothing that I asked about the connection. What was the opportunity to contact Yekaterinburg, telegraph-telephone? This is interesting.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 21 July 2021 20: 14
                +2
                Perhaps including. Or maybe there was a "special courier". Perhaps the initiative was in place, and then it was easier to take responsibility than to show that you have no control over your own people in the regions. We will not find out the truth, IMHO.
                1. Catfish
                  Catfish 21 July 2021 20: 28
                  +2
                  Or maybe there was a "special courier".

                  This is hardly an extra witness, but in such dark cases ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 21 July 2021 22: 08
                    +2
                    It can cease to exist immediately after the transmission of the order)).
                    1. Catfish
                      Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 10
                      +2
                      Then those who shot, too, had to be liquidated, but they remained alive. request
                      Drop in at "Seventeen Moments" - Stirlitz's car.
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 22: 12
                        +1
                        The question is, from whom they received the order. If from the immediate superior on the spot - then why? ))
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 17
                        +2
                        In such cases, "cleaning up the tails" is the first thing, although ... I am not a specialist in these matters and not a psychiatrist in order to delve into the psychology of the killers and try to understand their actions.
                      3. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 22: 49
                        +2
                        My version such - there was a recommendation from above to bang the king if he suddenly smells of fried. For one reason or another, it was decided, perhaps on the spot, that it smelled.
                      4. Catfish
                        Catfish 21 July 2021 22: 52
                        +3
                        Yes, the king - to hell with him, he had to be banged even by that Japanese policeman, the boy and the girls have nothing to do with it, it is impossible to justify either by order or "fried".
                      5. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 23: 10
                        +1
                        I agree entirely. This means that there was, and from the very beginning, an attitude towards killing children. Throughout the leadership of the CPSU (b)
                      6. Catfish
                        Catfish 21 July 2021 23: 29
                        +1
                        Throughout the leadership of the CPSU (b)

                        I never considered them to be suffering from such a vice as humanism.
                      7. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 21 July 2021 23: 34
                        +1
                        Well, no one suffered from Mahatmagandism there.
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    1. bober1982
      bober1982 21 July 2021 07: 31
      -4
      A sane and competent comment!
  • k174oun7
    k174oun7 21 July 2021 06: 20
    +12
    Nicholas was a professionally unsuitable monarch and just a narrow-minded person from the point of view of common sense. Made many fatal mistakes. The main one is that he plunged the empire, which was on the verge of grandiose changes, into an imperialist war, despite the fact that there was no direct attack on Russia, foreign armies did not cross our borders. On the contrary, the Russian troops moved into foreign territory. If I really wanted to help the Anglo-French "partners", I would help in any way I could financially or by sending an expeditionary corps without declaring war. Never commanding even a platoon, he assumed the direct leadership of the armed forces, at a time when the army began to suffer defeat. And finally, he thought about how he was going to live after his renunciation, how to support his family, how to visit Matilda? Could have consulted with the French republican "partners" before renouncing what happened to the abdicated King Louis XIV and his family.
    1. Trapperxnumx
      Trapperxnumx 21 July 2021 07: 50
      -1
      Quote: k174un7
      there was no direct attack on Russia, foreign armies did not cross our borders.

      Declaration of war? fucking stupidity.
      Kalish? no, have not heard.
      And yes, of course we didn’t. Germany is generally known for its love of the Slavs.
  • Mikhalych
    Mikhalych 21 July 2021 06: 42
    -13%
    The king did not renounce !!!
    The first and main witness to this is God, who works miracles in the name of the king and his family. And the type of "witnesses" of renunciation are Judas, Jane Psaki of that time and other perjurers. If the king renounced, then why did they not release him, like other close relatives who walked with red bows and freely traveled over the hill? Judas was afraid that the truth would be revealed, so they killed him.
    1. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 21 July 2021 07: 10
      +3
      Quote: Mikhalych
      Jane Psaki of the time

      And what does this have to do with it? belay
      Then there were no press secretaries request
      1. Mikhalych
        Mikhalych 21 July 2021 08: 29
        -8
        Then there were no press secretaries

        How do you know that? You weren't there either. ... ...
        bully
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 21 July 2021 08: 32
          +4
          Quote: Mikhalych
          How do you know that?

          Well then, tell us at least one press conference for Western journalists.
          Where and when was it held
          1. Mikhalych
            Mikhalych 21 July 2021 08: 41
            -8
            Well then, tell us at least one press conference for Western journalists.

            What are you changing the conditions? You did not speak specifically about the Russian press secretaries, but about them in general.
            There was such a country, North American States of America, in which both the president and the press secretary were.
            But in Russia. ... ... Check out: https://statehistory.ru/books/TSarskaya-rabota--XIX---nachalo-XX-v/9
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 21 July 2021 08: 48
              +1
              Quote: Mikhalych
              What are you changing the conditions?

              What conditions do I change? belay
              ... Check out

              Well, where is there about press secretaries and press conferences?
              [Quote] Press Secretary President is the official representative of the state and government, the personal representative of the President, the most accessible source by definition, constantly possessing a significant amount of information of interest to the society / community / group about the actions of the head of state and authorized to release this information in the form of information statements or interviews.[/ Quote]
              Were there any statements or interviews?
              And Zakharova conducts the press, which means for the press, interviews
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 21 July 2021 07: 11
      +12
      Nicholas abdicated under the Provisional Government, and the Bolsheviks have nothing to do with it, and appealing to God as a witness is not a good idea. Well, challenge him to earthly judgment. What miracles were there in the name of the king?
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 21 July 2021 08: 24
        +11
        What miracles were there in the name of the king?

        There was a Khodynka, which greatly lowered the rating of the "anointed of God".
      2. Mikhalych
        Mikhalych 21 July 2021 08: 28
        -7
        to appeal to God as a witness is not a good idea. Well, challenge him to earthly judgment.

        It is you who will go to Him for judgment, but he will not come to you.
        What miracles were there in the name of the king?

        They not only existed, but also occur. Search the internet yourself.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 21 July 2021 11: 53
          +1
          Quote: Mikhalych
          It is you who will go to Him for judgment, but he will not come to you.

          Who knows. It seems that no one came back from there, did not tell how it was there. Maybe religion really is an opium for the people.
    3. Hantengri
      Hantengri 21 July 2021 10: 25
      +7
      Quote: Mikhalych
      The king did not renounce !!!
      The first and foremost witness to this is God,

      Well, if God himself is a witness, then of course! By the way, where can one get acquainted with His testimony?
      Quote: Mikhalych
      working miracles in the name of the king and his family.

      Lived! His name alone is no longer enough for the Lord to perform miracles ... lol
  • Moskovit
    Moskovit 21 July 2021 07: 19
    +8
    Somehow very superficially written. First, the revolution is constantly being tied to the tsar. Like, he got into the war. But not only monarchies got into the war, but democracies like France, the USA and England (let's not talk about the decorative queen). Secondly, Nicholas did not manage the empire alone, and if he did not rule like that, he would have been hit on the head with a snuffbox long ago. Therefore, the responsibility for civil and violence is borne by the whole class that stood at the head of the country - the nobility. And partly the emerging bourgeoisie because of its predatory exploitation of the people. Yes, the war was also enthusiastically welcomed by the society, there were demonstrations, thousands of people were overwhelmed with joy.
    And thirdly, people who have reached heights are usually called former or ex. So the former king, not the colonel. It looks shallow, so you can see the Civic is still going on in the author's head ...
    1. k174oun7
      k174oun7 21 July 2021 08: 18
      +5
      The war was welcomed by that part of society, or rather by those persons who intended to "fight" the enemies on the streets of their cities, in headquarters, various organizations and the media, but did not intend to directly attack and sit in trenches.
  • Olgovich
    Olgovich 21 July 2021 07: 36
    -12%
    From the moment of such abdication, all subjects were free and free to go anywhere and do anything, the empire was abolished.
    A statement far from knowing history
    The renunciation was in favor MikhailMikhail, already having the right, postponed the perception of the throne until the decision of the US, he, like Nikolai, called on all subjects to obey the Provisional Government until the US, to which they swore allegiance.

    The country CONTINUED to live and fight the invaders ..
    , moreover, terminally ill disabled person Aleksey and carriers of hemophilia of his daughterdid not have a chance neither for a full family life, nor for the throne

    Peremptory, but unfounded judgments

    The "mortally" patient lived to be 14 years old and had everything to live on, and even more so his sisters, who, according to genetic studies of the remains, did NOT carry the hemophilia gene, except for Anastasia. and were absolutely healthy.

    Another thing is the emperor and his wife. Without a court is also a crime, but ... A crime generated precisely by renunciation

    There is no excuse for the crime.

    Lenin brilliant lawyer

    The author would find out that, except for parasitism, orich did not shine in anything, because he never worked for anyone, except for one year as an assistant to a sworn attorney
    He wanted trial and death for its results.

    where did he "want"? courts under WHAT laws? ... Soviet? fool

    The article is chaotic, it is not clear what and why.

    minus
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 21 July 2021 09: 41
      +5
      Olgovich, the "mortally" patient lived up to 14 years and had everything to live longer "hemophilia cannot be treated and the Tsarevich could exist as a mimosa in the Arctic - in greenhouse conditions. He was not a tenant.
      "Were absolutely healthy" - hemophilia is transmitted through the female line. Where is the guarantee that these were the remains of the Romanovs?
      "Except for Anastasia", but what about the monarchists' assertions that Anastasia was saved
      1. Olgovich
        Olgovich 21 July 2021 12: 20
        -16%
        Quote: Astra wild2
        Olgovich, the "mortally" patient lived up to 14 years and had everything to live longer "hemophilia cannot be treated and the Tsarevich could exist as a mimosa in the Arctic - in greenhouse conditions. He was not a tenant.

        14 years is a long time for a "non-resident."

        And forever, I note, no one lives.
        Quote: Astra wild2
        "Were absolutely healthy" - hemophilia is transmitted through the female line.

        not everyone. Three daughters have not received this gene.
        Quote: Astra wild2
        Where is the guarantee that these were the remains of the Romanovs?

        genetics is such a science
        Quote: Astra wild2
        "Except for Anastasia", but what about the monarchists' assertions that Anastasia was saved

        lol
        1. Astra wild2
          Astra wild2 21 July 2021 14: 20
          +2
          "three daughters did not receive this gene" so they are not daughters of Alexandra Feodorovna ?! Maybe they are the daughter of Matilda Kshisinskaya? Or Vyrubova? Do you catch the irony? Vyrubova in the spring of 1917 was a DEVITNITSA
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 21 July 2021 14: 54
            -10%
            Quote: Astra wild2
            "three daughters did not receive this gene" so they are not the daughters of Alexandra Feodorovna ?!

            Not ALL women in a family carry the hemophilia gene, men do not.
            Quote: Astra wild2
            VirginINICA

            belay Who is this?
            1. Phil77
              Phil77 21 July 2021 16: 46
              +1
              "...who it?"
              Andrew!
              !!!!!!!!! laughing
            2. Astra wild2
              Astra wild2 21 July 2021 16: 59
              +2
              I apologize, I was at work and was distracted and: grammatical error.
              About Vyrubova, who she is, you know perfectly well
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 21 July 2021 16: 44
            +2
            Anna Taneeva / Vyrubova / was married in 1907. A virgin? Well, it happens. And where does the info come from about the "girlhood" of this person? laughing
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 21 July 2021 17: 57
              -4
              Quote: Phil77
              And where does the info about this person's "girlhood" come from?

              A special commission was created (under the Provisional Government) to study the influence of demonic forces operating at the royal court, in the literal sense, these scoundrels included Vyrubova among such representatives. A medical examination was carried out on the subject of her virginity. And, as a result, all this commission ended up crap (out of fear). The examination showed that Vyrubova was a virgin. Some believed in God, from the composition of the commission.
              Her marriage was, in fact, fictitious, and she did not twist love with Rasputin, these are all inventions of British intelligence.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 21 July 2021 07: 51
    +4
    What had to happen happened, empires were crumbling in Europe, but there was no such bloodshed. Too great stratification on the basis of property and the right to participate in the political life of the country is what saved Europe. And we have a certain emperor proclaimed - "From rags to riches", and away we go. As long as demagogy prevails over reality, we will all be under the ax.
  • Undecim
    Undecim 21 July 2021 08: 13
    +6
    And again, another sketch for holivar and clickbait.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 July 2021 08: 19
      +1
      And there are very few chances that a fresh or lively thought will appear.
  • prior
    prior 21 July 2021 08: 15
    +7
    Nikolai Romanov - Judas of the Russian land with German blood.
    Serves him right.
    If his children had survived in Russia, an ocean of blood would have spilled.
    The tragedy of Russia began not with the communists, but with the Romanovs ...
  • Aviator_
    Aviator_ 21 July 2021 08: 22
    +9
    The first is an undoubted crime and atrocity, the children did not threaten anyone

    This is the personal opinion of the author. The very structure of the monarchy made children hostage to the situation. They were very unlucky, like other children of monarchs from prehistoric times to the twentieth century.
  • BAI
    BAI 21 July 2021 08: 35
    +11
    1.
    the children did not threaten anyone; moreover, the terminally ill disabled Aleksey and his daughter's hemophilia carriers had no chance of a full-fledged family life or the throne.

    What nonsense - children are heirs of a dynasty, pretenders to the throne, regardless of the behavior of the father. And they could be dragged to the throne even against their will, making them the banner of the counter-revolutionary movement. The heirs of the overthrown autocrats have always been destroyed, all over the world (at least until 1918). Even in nature - the lion, who stands at the head of the pride, kills the cubs (males) of the previous chapter.

    2.
    And, looking at the modern Romanovs, traveling from Europe to our Palestine, one wonders one question - what do they have to do with Russia?

    Well, these m. there is at least a little Russian blood, and the imperial family is pure-blooded Germans.
    1. serg.shishkov2015
      serg.shishkov2015 21 July 2021 10: 30
      +2
      about lviv, as far as I know, such destruction of juveniles of their species is only with them. therefore, as a biologist and cat lover, I absolutely do not like lions. P, S, although it's not for me to judge the laws of the wild!
  • Unknown
    Unknown 21 July 2021 08: 38
    +11
    All the same, some of Nikolai's actions characterize him as a narrow-minded person. He did not understand that the life of the kings of the earth, demolished from the throne by revolutions, does not end peacefully in bed, but only on the scaffold. He must study history, and know how Charles I and Louis XVI ended their lives. There will always be those who want to judge and execute the monarchs, and the crowd will demand death, without going into details. And if the revolutionary tornadoes spared the family of Charles, then with the family of Louis acted very cruelly. Marie-Antoinette was executed after the king, and the heir
    killed in prison, subjecting him to various social experiments. Nikolai was simply obliged to save his family, at least to bargain before renouncing, the right of the family to retire to any neutral country. Of course, the attitude towards the tsar was negative in Europe, but maybe the family, whoever sheltered it, was full of relatives, would have taken pity on the painful tsarevich. And so he dragged the whole family to the chopping block. Did he have anything with his head? He didn’t see, and didn’t understand where it was going. That everyone was thirsty for blood, not only him, but the entire Romanov clan. He sat in Krasnoye Selo, like a mother-in-law at the name day, and hoped that everything would cost him, leave his life and live as an exemplary family man. Well, how to understand this? Where were the faithful monarchists ready to give their lives for the dynasty? Not one recorded escape attempt. Although the French king tried to run there unsuccessfully, he tried, and this one waited for what, so he waited. He pulled the whole family with him.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 21 July 2021 10: 02
      +3
      Quote: Unknown
      Sat in Krasnoe Selo

      Quote: Unknown
      Where were the faithful monarchists ready to give their lives for the dynasty?

      Quote: Unknown
      Of course, the attitude towards the tsar was negative in Europe, but maybe a family, whoever sheltered

      Quote: Unknown
      And so he dragged the whole family to the chopping block

      About Krasnoe Selo, you spoke unsuccessfully, he did not sit there, speaking in your language.
      They were ready to accept the Tsar's Family in Europe, but Kerensky and company were not allowed to leave Russia.
      At the time of the 1917 revolution, there were no monarchists, they disappeared as a class, there was simply no one to save the tsar. Very few people gave their lives for the tsar and family.
      1. Unknown
        Unknown 21 July 2021 14: 57
        +4
        Quote: bober1982
        About Krasnoe Selo, you spoke unsuccessfully, he did not sit there, speaking in your language

        What was he doing there? Was under house arrest, so it was announced. Not too much oppressed, there was a servant, a personal doctor. Nicholas could now do one of his favorite things, chop wood, there was plenty of time. True, the crows were forbidden to shoot, firearms and all that, you know. The main thing is, "The thought that we are all together, pleases and comforts ..." But there were punishments, and what are they "On March 27, the head of the Provisional Government, Alexander Kerensky, forbade Nikolai and Alexandra to sleep together: the spouses were allowed to see only at the table and talk to each other with a friend exclusively in Russian. " Passions what. Nicholas in recent years did not often visit the queen's bed, there another often dropped in. In general, the regime was different, for example, from the convict. There were also other restrictions - everyday ones. The guards cut the heating of the palace, after which one of the ladies of the court fell ill with pneumonia. The prisoners were allowed to walk, but passers-by looked at them over the fence - like animals in a cage. The humiliation did not leave them at home either. As Count Pavel Benckendorff said, “when the Grand Duchesses or Empress approached the windows, the guards allowed themselves to behave indecently in front of their eyes, thus causing the laughter of their comrades.
        Quote: bober1982
        They were ready to accept the Tsar's Family in Europe, but Kerensky and company were not allowed to leave Russia.

        A family maybe, but without Nikolashka, and not all the courtyards wanted to see Alex, especially the British one, in spite of the kinship. It was necessary to send the Tsarevich with the Grand Duchesses to a neutral state, all the more so much as his illness would let go of his painful time. So no "Despite the conditions in which we now find ourselves, the thought that we are all together pleases and consoles. Until he was comforted.
        Quote: bober1982
        At the time of the 1917 revolution, there were no monarchists, they disappeared as a class, there was simply no one to save the tsar. Very few people gave their lives for the tsar and family.

        Speaking of class, they meant the nobility, so they never tried to give their lives for the tsar, the history of palace coups is an example. In the Civil War, various forces fought against Soviet power, and slogans were all sorts, from the convocation of a constituent assembly to a separate "Cossack Republic of the Don" ... But no one put forward the idea of ​​restoring the monarchy, no one had such slogans. The monarchy collapsed, burying the Romanovs, and I never read that someone would give his life for the preservation of the dynasty.
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 21 July 2021 15: 14
          -5
          Quote: Unknown
          What was he doing there?

          In Tsarskoe Selo, and you keep talking about Krasnoe Selo
          Quote: Unknown
          and never read that someone would give his life for the preservation of the dynasty.

          There were such people, but there were very, very few of them, they gave their lives not for the preservation of the dynasty, but for the Tsar and the Family.
          1. Unknown
            Unknown 21 July 2021 18: 32
            +2
            Quote: bober1982
            In Tsarskoe Selo, and you keep talking about Krasnoe Selo

            Confused the name of the places, but it does not change the essence.
            Quote: bober1982
            There were such people, but there were very, very few of them, they gave their lives not for the preservation of the dynasty, but for the Tsar and the Family.

            There is no need for mystery and mysteries. Tell me bluntly, a doctor and three servants. According to the memoirs of Yakov Mikhailovich Yurovsky (real name and patronymic Yankel Khaimovich), neither the royal family nor the servants were told for what purpose they were being taken to the basement, and there, having quickly read the sentence, they began to shoot randomly. And no one Of the servants, he did not close the royal family with his bodies, only the maid resisted. And then there is some kind of mystery, they gave their lives for the tsar and the family, the reality is different, they fell under the general batch, that's all. Of course, you don't need to completely believe Yurovsky, but there are no other eyewitnesses of those events.
            1. bober1982
              bober1982 21 July 2021 18: 46
              -2
              Quote: Unknown
              Tell me directly, a doctor and three servants.

              Sailor Nagornov, Prince Dolgorukov, General Tatishchev, the list goes on.
              There is nothing to talk about.
              1. Unknown
                Unknown 22 July 2021 05: 55
                +1
                Quote: bober1982
                Sailor Nagornov, Prince Dolgorukov, General Tatishchev, the list goes on.
                There is nothing to talk about

                Together with the royal family, they shot Evgeny Botkin, life-doctor (53 years old)
                Ivan Kharitonov, cook (48 years old)
                Alexey Trup, lackey (61 years old)
                Anna Demidova, maid (40 years old) No one else was shot there. The above names were not included in this list. The sailor was shot on July 10 even before the execution, as well as the general and the prince.
                1. bober1982
                  bober1982 22 July 2021 07: 16
                  -1
                  Quote: Unknown
                  Nobody else was shot there

                  Quote: Unknown
                  The sailor was shot on July 10 even before the execution, as well as the general and the prince

                  A masterpiece.
                  Sailor, general and prince,voluntarily went with the Tsar to Tobolsk and Yekaterinburg, thereby signing their own verdict, they well understood what they were doing.
                  Freedom will pass the shameful hop
                  Russia will forget the bloody battle
                  But the sailor Nagorny will live
                  In the tradition of the Motherland, a saint ...... (S. Bekhteev)
                  1. Unknown
                    Unknown 22 July 2021 08: 44
                    +1
                    Quote: bober1982
                    A masterpiece.
                    The sailor, the general and the prince, voluntarily went with the Tsar to Tobolsk and Yekaterinburg, thereby signing their own verdict, they well understood what they were doing.

                    Holy sacrifice. They gave their lives for the tsar. No wonder everyone was canonized. sailor, prince, and general. The reality is different, along the way, the prince and the general were the treasurers of the family, and not only. Through them, communication was maintained, as far as possible. Uraloblosovet suspected something, and shot both of them. As they later write, the prince was identified by the money 800000 thousand rubles were found with him. It is not clear why the sailor was shot. But doctor V. N. Derevenko was not touched and he died under Soviet rule.
                    1. bober1982
                      bober1982 22 July 2021 08: 58
                      -3
                      Quote: Unknown
                      The reality is different, along the way, the prince and the general were the treasurers of the family, and not only

                      I say - a masterpiece!
                      Quote: Unknown
                      Why the sailor was shot is not clear

                      Klimenty Grigorievich Nagorny: ......... they will probably kill me, look, they have such faces, they have such faces!
                      He was openly indignant at the fact that the guards were stealing the things of the Tsar's Family, protecting the Tsar's children from drunken and obscene guards
                      1. Unknown
                        Unknown 22 July 2021 14: 00
                        0
                        Quote: bober1982
                        I say - a masterpiece!

                        As well as sentimental stories about a sailor, a prince and a general.
                        Quote: bober1982
                        Klimenty Grigorievich Nagorny: ......... they will probably kill me, look, they have faces, they have such faces!

                        Well, everyone's faces are different, people are not judged by them.
                        At first glance, it takes a while, but then you get used to it and the person seems to be not bad.
                      2. bober1982
                        bober1982 22 July 2021 14: 18
                        -1
                        Quote: Unknown
                        As well as sentimental stories about a sailor, a prince and a general

                        And, also about the countess, lackey and officer.
                        Study.
                      3. Unknown
                        Unknown 22 July 2021 18: 20
                        +1
                        Also study, about the loyal servants of the tsar, just right to create a piece of music "Life for the tsar" at number two, you can take the rhymes of S. Bekhteev as a basis.
                      4. bober1982
                        bober1982 22 July 2021 18: 52
                        0
                        Quote: Unknown
                        just right to create a piece of music

                        There is such a piece of music, on the verses of S. Bekhteev, which is dedicated to Their Imperial Highnesses the Grand Duchesses Olga Nikolaevna and Tatyana Nikolaevna ......... And, at the threshold of the grave, Breathe into the mouth of Your slaves, Inhuman strength, Pray meekly for enemies!
                      5. Unknown
                        Unknown 22 July 2021 19: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: bober1982
                        There is such a piece of music, on the verses of S. Bekhteev, which is dedicated to Their Imperial Highnesses the Grand Duchesses Olga Nikolaevna and Tatyana Nikolaevna ......... And, at the threshold of the grave, Breathe into the mouth of Your slaves, Inhuman strength, Pray meekly for enemy

                        Just a panegyric, in the light of the present time.
                      6. bober1982
                        bober1982 22 July 2021 19: 23
                        +1
                        But here I agree with you, they said sensibly.
                        Quote: Unknown
                        light of the present time

                        Precisely, everything is repeated.
                      7. Unknown
                        Unknown 22 July 2021 19: 37
                        0
                        As Hegel used to say, "History repeats itself twice: the first time in the form of a tragedy, the second - in the form of a farce."
  • bober1982
    bober1982 21 July 2021 19: 08
    -2
    Sailor Nagorny, I apologize for the mistake.
  • bober1982
    bober1982 21 July 2021 15: 21
    -1
    Quote: Unknown
    and never read that someone would give his life for the preservation of the dynasty.

    These people remained loyal to the Tsar, signing their own death warrant, agreeing to go with the Tsar to Tobolsk and Yekaterinburg.
    Among them were both aristocrats and commoners.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 21 July 2021 18: 34
    +3
    ... was killed in prison, subjecting him to various social experiments.


    What is a "social experiment"? hi
  • Cherry Nine
    Cherry Nine 21 July 2021 08: 39
    -4
    No, it’s necessary.

    A big problem for stories about thousand-year-old Russia was the episodes when the new sovereign killed the old one. Historians got out for food, sometimes not without grace. For example, when, hmm, Sophia Augusta's partners Frederica of Anhalt-Zerbst killed Karl Peter Ulrich von Schleswig-Holstein Gottorf, it quickly became clear that in this seemingly internal German showdown between the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein Gottorp and the Princess Anhalt explained the German spy Peter.

    But so that the Bolsheviks were excused from the decision on Nicholas - this has never been seen before. It turns out that local authorities and radicals banged Nikolashka. But Lenin is not, Lenin was always for legality, yeah. He was a great lawyer, a fan of law. As you know who.
    1. Astra wild2
      Astra wild2 21 July 2021 09: 22
      0
      Conclusion: Mister Ivanov DO NOT READ
    2. Mike_E
      Mike_E 21 July 2021 14: 17
      -1
      Cherry Nine, brilliant commentary. It is a pity that he will be noted only by cons. We have a very painful attitude to the naming of things by their proper names.
    3. chenia
      chenia 21 July 2021 18: 10
      +5
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      It turns out that local authorities and radicals banged Nikolashka.


      Believe it or not, the then creativity of the masses reached the point of absurdity. And each district Revkom perceived the revolutionary necessity in its own way (taking into account the inclinations of the persons who headed it). And if you think that without the decision of the Central Committee (at that time) not one hair will budge, then the Central Committee establishes the Brest Peace, Trotsky - "not peace, not war." And the SRs killed Mirbach slightly (and at the same time staged a coup). And this is under the nose, and only somewhere in the settlements. Even in the "height of the cult" because of the initiative of one general, the capitulation of the Germans had to be signed twice.

      Quote: Cherry Nine
      But Lenin is not, Lenin was always for legality, yeah

      Aha
      Lenin knew how to go down in history and not get caught up in it.
      He had no desire to worry about Nikolashka’s health, but he didn’t want to take on his death either. Because-
      Quote: Cherry Nine
      He was a great lawyer, a fan of law.

      And here, taking into account the certain inclinations of Yurovsky, they decided to hide behind uncertainty.

      And there is no documentary evidence of the involvement of the Central Committee and personally of Comrade Lenin in the murder of citizen Romanov Nikolai Alexandrovich and his family. It's easier to write off everything on the M-Masonic conspiracy.
      1. Cherry Nine
        Cherry Nine 21 July 2021 20: 24
        -3
        Quote: chenia
        It's easier to write off everything on the M-Mason conspiracy.

        You know, it will. I am ready to write off all the Soviet power on him.

        And not only the Soviet one.
        Quote: chenia
        Even in the "height of the cult" because of the initiative of one general, the capitulation of the Germans had to be signed twice.

        Truman was never a general; he retired as a major. Joseph Vissarionovich at that time was a marshal and had no military ranks before. And there is no need to slander Ivan Alekseevich Susloparov, no one had any complaints against him, including Comrade Stalin just.
        Quote: chenia
        he had no desire, but also to take upon himself his death, too

        Well, there was no desire - he did not take it. But since the participants in this special event basically lived quite well for themselves before the struggle against Trotskyism (but they did not survive it), to say that Comrade. Lenin was so upset, I wouldn't. The people who created comrade. Lenin's problems, as a rule, did not heal.
        1. chenia
          chenia 21 July 2021 21: 57
          0
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          You know, it will.

          Well, with this we have no disagreement, and it pleases.
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Truman never

          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Joseph Vissarionovich at that time


          Too subtle, I didn't understand.
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          no one had any complaints against him,

          What am I talking about?
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          Lenin was so upset, I wouldn't.

          Quote: chenia
          He had no desire to worry about Nikolashka's health

          Again the unity of views! In general, this event upset very few people (although not everyone was happy). All liberals and democrats both in Russia and outside (including foreign relatives) breathed freely (this is the case when political players wanted this, but did not want to get dirty themselves). And they began to use this event, each in their own interests.

          Quote: Cherry Nine
          But since the participants in this special event

          Quote: Cherry Nine
          no one had any complaints against him,

          but the sediment remained
          Quote: Cherry Nine
          before the fight against Trotskyism

          Nobody is forgotten, nothing is forgotten.
          We will assume that the people's court has delivered justice, which shows the humanity and humanity of the Soviet regime.
          Will there be no objections?
          1. Cherry Nine
            Cherry Nine 22 July 2021 08: 54
            -1
            Quote: chenia
            what shows the humanity and humanity of the Soviet regime

            You are right, humanity and humanity have shown quite adequately.
            Quote: chenia
            Too subtle, I didn't understand.

            The Karlshorst signing was an agreement between Stalin and Truman. Eisenhower was very suspicious of ... such news. Had the Soviet side refused to sign the capitulation in Reims, Eisenhower would have signed the capitulation in the West. Which was originally proposed by the German side, by the way.
            1. chenia
              chenia 22 July 2021 09: 26
              +1
              Quote: Cherry Nine
              Had the Soviet side refused to sign the capitulation in Reims, Eisenhower would have signed the capitulation in the West.


              He would not sign anything (and if he did, it’s a piece of paper for hygienic needs) .. And I have no doubt in the hypocrisy of the allies (this is normal for them), but who will deal with Japan? The bomb had not yet been tested, and no one knew exactly how it would turn out (and when). Truman and in Potsdam (there was already a test) played along with Stalin until Churchill was shot down.
              1. Cherry Nine
                Cherry Nine 22 July 2021 10: 58
                -1
                Quote: chenia
                He wouldn't sign anything

                And who could stop him?
                Quote: chenia
                if he signed, then this is a piece of paper for hygiene needs

                And why is that? The Americans do not want to fight, the Soviets do, the Germans do not want to be with the Americans, but they want to be with the Soviets. Everyone is happy, everyone found something to their liking.
                Quote: chenia
                who will deal with Japan?

                Eisenhower does not care about Japan at all, he needs to stake out the place of the winner of the war in Europe (this place was stolen from him by Truman with his Karlshorst). And let MacArthur and Nimitz deal with Japan. By the way, they did not ask for any Soviet help and they are not happy with her.
                Quote: chenia
                Truman and in Potsdam (there was already a test) played along with Stalin,

                Yes, it’s very funny to read Trumyn’s stories about Potsdam, they say, we believed you so, Comrade Stalin, as maybe we didn’t believe ourselves.
                Unfortunately, Truman did not understand for too long who the US State Department was actually working for.
                1. chenia
                  chenia 22 July 2021 14: 31
                  -1
                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  but they want with the Soviets. Everyone is happy, everyone found something to their liking.


                  Heh, they want (this is not by chance 6 TA SS, which they could not force to go into battle in April).
                  The general surrender was preceded by the local surrender of garrisons and formations with disarmament.
                  And what will the soyuznichki give them weapons again? Most likely not, and what kind of forces can the Germans oppose to us?
                  What would the world community say? This is not only the left State Department, it is the entire left Europe (the entire Resistance consisted almost of them).

                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  place the winner of the war in Europe to stake out

                  And it would have been a loss of face.

                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  And let MacArthur and Nimitz deal with Japan. By the way, they did not ask for any Soviet help and they are not happy with her.


                  Nimitz - I agree, but MacArthur is mediocre (there was generally a hotbed of mediocre land generals - smart to Europe, the rest to MacArthur). Having a fucking superiority in forces and means. managed to suffer huge losses .. And the bomb was not yet (as of May).
                  So. that a separate peace in May was not possible (unless in Churchill's sick imagination, for which he was turned on).

                  Quote: Cherry Nine
                  for whom the US State Department actually works.

                  Comrade Stalin knew how to work with Jews (they not only stole secrets with folders, but also determined the international policy of the United States in the interests of the USSR).
                  He would learn the present.
                  1. Cherry Nine
                    Cherry Nine 22 July 2021 16: 21
                    0
                    Quote: chenia
                    The general surrender was preceded by the local surrender of garrisons and formations with disarmament.

                    Where preceded and where did not precede.
                    Quote: chenia
                    what forces can the Germans oppose to us?

                    Actually, to a fig of forces available for May 45th. From Italy to Norway. And they never ran out of weapons. You shouldn't think that the same Berlin operation was an easy walk.
                    Quote: chenia
                    What would the world community say?

                    Who cares about that? Who will the disillusioned world community vote for, the Republicans?

                    By the way, three years did not go away, as the public began to hang on the sly. Not enough, of course, but somehow.
                    Quote: chenia
                    all Resistance

                    Let de Gaulle figure it out.
                    Quote: chenia
                    And it would have been a loss of face

                    Certainly not the Americans. The entire leadership of the Reich is sitting on the Danish border, one way or another there will be no peace without Eisenhower's visa.
                    Quote: chenia
                    Nimitz - I agree, but MacArthur is a mediocre

                    Much can be said about MacArthur's talents, but that he did not need Vasilevsky there in any form - that's for sure.
                    Quote: chenia
                    So. that a separate peace in May was not possible (unless in Churchill's sick imagination, for which he was turned on).

                    Churchill was given a ride not for this, but a separate peace - more precisely, the surrender of a group of troops - is both possible and happened in reality. In Italy.
                    Quote: chenia
                    Comrade Stalin knew how to work with Jews

                    There really was and still is a huge number of leftists among the Jews, but this is not the case. Desperate anti-Semites sat in the American State Department. Nevertheless, yes, they hurt America as best they could. Just out of principle.
                    1. chenia
                      chenia 22 July 2021 19: 36
                      -1
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Actually, to a fig of forces available for May 45th.


                      You don’t confuse a surrender with a truce (albeit on difficult terms). All the troops in the zone of occupation are disarmed, hence the operational depth is negligible, the German troops are torn apart, the general leadership is missing a bunch of troops in the cauldrons. Only targeted assistance and assistance from the side that accepted the surrender (Yankees and Britons) could at least create at least some meaningful resistance of the Wehrmacht. And this would not have been loved.
                      An interesting point - those people who deny the possibility of long-term resistance to Japan, which was not occupied - with the exception of a small island (and which showed the Yankees the price of the battle for Japan), as well as significant territories and troops on the mainland, confidently assert the enormous potential of the Wehrmacht in the dismembered country ... And this is against the Red Army in 1945 (and there would be a bunch of allies of the Bulgarians, Yugoslavs, Poles, Finns (no matter how funny), Czechs, etc.).
                      Some kind of discrepancy.

                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Much can be said about MacArthur's talents


                      Here, as about a dead man, it is better to remain silent (I mean military talents, administrative ones are not considered).
                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      He did not need Vasilevsky there in any form - that's for sure.

                      It will become clear later, when it becomes clear that Mikado obos ... got scared. And if he had a Nordic character as a Fuhrer, and to the last Japanese.
                      I hope you have heard about Korea (and later Vietnam, well, it is not there).

                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      and a separate peace - more precisely, the surrender of the group

                      Surprised. The Berlin garrison, as it were, also until May 9, but I am silent about Paulus (there are more divisions than Kesselring's).

                      Quote: Cherry Nine
                      Just out of principle.


                      Well, it means that the principles of the USSR were appropriate, that not stupid Jews (I will say by myself, there were alcoholics among them, very rarely, but there were, but d.o. akov never) took a mortal risk, or even death , for their sake.
                      1. Cherry Nine
                        Cherry Nine 23 July 2021 09: 20
                        +1
                        Quote: chenia
                        could at least create at least some meaningful resistance of the Wehrmacht. And this would not have been loved.

                        Large forces in Denmark, Norway, Holland and East Prussia are cut off, but the multimillion-strong group in Italy, Austria, Bavaria and Bohemia (Kesselring-Schörner) retains internal cohesion. The forces cut off from Berlin by the encirclement also retained controllability.
                        Quote: chenia
                        confidently assert the enormous potential of the Wehrmacht in a dismembered country

                        Great potential is not required. The Red Army, fighting the no longer existing Wehrmacht in the Prague operation, lost as much as the Americans in Okinawa.

                        The protraction of the war by the Reich, even for a week, even for two, carried 2 threats:
                        1. Conclusion of the maximum share of the population of their GDR in Germany (this was the main goal of Doenitz).
                        2. It was not important for Doenitz, but for the USSR it was also unacceptable - every day the threat increased that the government of Czechoslovakia (Beneš) recognized by the USSR and the controversial for the USSR (but not the Allies) king of Yugoslavia Peter II would be able to agree with the Allies (fortunately, both are sitting in London) and the Soviet liberation of these countries will be covered with a copper basin. And with the appearance of the border between the western zone and Poland (in Czechoslovakia), the Polish question, which seems to have already been finally resolved, may suddenly rise upside down. Sikorsky's government is still legitimate for everyone except the USSR.
                        Quote: chenia
                        It's like a dead man, it's better to keep silent

                        There is no need to keep silent about the American admiral Oktyabrsky, but he was in charge there and he did not need the Russians either in February, or in May, or in August.
                        Quote: chenia
                        if he had a Nordic character as a Fuhrer, and to the last Japanese.

                        Somehow do not care. MacArthur did not feel sorry for either his own, much less strangers.
                        Quote: chenia
                        I hope you have heard about Korea (and later Vietnam, well, it is not there).

                        Thanks to Eisenhower and Bradley for Korea. It was this fledgling couple that destroyed the American army at such a pace that Pavel Sergeevich Grachev would have envied. 5 years - and not a single full-fledged division in the entire army.

                        Only in 50 was Halder discharged as a consultant. And then through the White House, not the headquarters. That's what the grandfather went nuts, probably when he saw all this.

                        Quote: chenia
                        Paulus (there are more divisions than Kesselring

                        What does Paulus have to do with it? Do you want another Battle of Stalingrad for six months? The Germans don't need that.
                        Quote: chenia
                        took mortal risk, if not death, for their sake.

                        There was no question of any risk. Not one of the same "Cambridge Five" sat down (Kencross, many years later in Rome, was caught on currency fraud). Even the Rosenberg case is just a mockery by Soviet standards.

                        But you are right, the left has always been strong in propaganda, and the West, oddly enough, has always been weak in it.
  • _TANKIST_
    _TANKIST_ 21 July 2021 08: 44
    +8
    Another monarchical obscurantism, about Tsar Rag, who, even the coronation, could not carry out without human sacrifice, and what can I say about how enchanting was the profane, several wars, several revolutions, I'm not talking about family, life.
    1. Vladimir Nizhegorodsky
      Vladimir Nizhegorodsky 22 July 2021 09: 50
      -1
      Yes, the Tsar was not the same, the Tsar was not real.
      His brother also told him that he would not hold on to power.
      They say do not take power.
      And told him before accepting the crown.
      But Nikolai, led by his foreign wife, and surrounded by rotten lackeys around, still did not listen to anyone.
      The result is sad, but it would be okay for his family and himself.
      It was bad for Russia.
  • Senior seaman
    Senior seaman 21 July 2021 08: 54
    +1
    Ivanov he is such an Ivanov ...
    ... the abdication of the emperor without appointing heirs meant only one thing - the collapse of the state machine. From the moment of such abdication, all subjects were free and free to go anywhere and do anything, the empire was canceled ...
    This is exactly what the last emperor did,


    The name of the successor is capitalized in the manifest.
    And why the colonel?
    Former emperor, ex-emperor ...
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 21 July 2021 14: 21
      +1
      Colonel, because that's his military rank. One cannot "renounce" the title. The title is either awarded, or, it is deprived.

      The rank of Colonel Nikolai Romanov, at the time of his abdication, seemed to be not deprived. Later, the Soviet government canceled the "ranks, ranks of epaulettes", but until it won the Civil War in Russia and, AS THE WINNER of the interventionists, occupiers and "counter", did not become the ONLY legal power, there was also the White Army, in which the ranks and nobody canceled the shoulder straps. And by the time Colonel Nikolai Romanov was sent to the Ipatiev basement, the Civil War in Russia was still continuing. So, with the "colonel" everything, in formal legal terms, is "pure" ...

      The aforementioned "heir", although he was "declared", did not enter into law, abandoning the succession to the throne ... So, the former "loyal subjects" remained without the LEGAL Emperor, who was FORCED to "renounce" the traitors to the oath. And, without a new LEGAL heir to the throne.

      In short, the PROCESS of the so-called. The "transfer of power" was BEGINNED by the act of FORCED "abdication" of Nicholas II, but, alas, it WAS NOT COMPLETED, by the act of ENTRANCE of Emperor Michael. For ONLY in THIS STATUS of the Emperor, he could "transfer" something there, subsequently, to someone there. Incl. and such a rotten and self-styled cantore as a certain temporary State Duma Committee. Education, ALREADY INITIALLY ILLEGAL.

      This is how the former loyal subjects of the Russian Empire turned out to be "de jure" free from all their "oaths" to the old government. And from all the obligations of the old government, to its FORMER "allies" in ANTANT-e, the "legality" of the ILLEGAL overthrow of the LEGAL Head of State by Oathmongers, who quickly "recognized" ...
      1. Senior seaman
        Senior seaman 21 July 2021 15: 00
        +2
        Another delusional generator with a capsule ...
        And if Mikhail Alexandrovich announced his accession to the throne, the Duma members and generals would be ashamed and everything would be over quickly?
        Aha how!
        As for the stream of consciousness about titles, our GDP also seems to be like a colonel, but it will go down in history as the head of state.
        1. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 12: 17
          +1
          "And if Mikhail Alexandrovich announced his accession to the throne, the Duma members and generals would be ashamed and everything would be over quickly?"
          ************************************************** ******************************
          Let's share your free "if only" and strictly legal side of the issue ...

          Micah. Al., In PRINCIPLE I COULD NOT LEGALLY declare anything until the PROCESS OF TRANSFER TO HIM LEGAL power was LEGALLY completed.

          And this PROCESS consists of TWO NON-RELATED stages:

          the first is the "announcement" of the heir to the throne by the Emperor (which is what happened);
          и

          the second is the RECOGNITION of his loyal subjects by the Emperor. Which is expressed in the Bringing of an Oath by his loyal subjects (which DIDN'T HAPPENED).

          Thus, the PROCESS, let's say, of the "transfer of the throne", was BEGINNED, but WAS NOT LEGALLY COMPLETED. Loyal subjects of Micah. Al. (Even "fiery monarchists"), SWEEPING TO HIM, HE WAS NEVER RECOGNIZED as Emperor. Point and Amen ...

          And please do not change topics ...

          Only history will show how it will "enter" the history of the GDP. Most likely, as the President of Russia. Over the past 12-13 years, he has done a lot to restore the defense capability and sovereignty of the state.

          But "if" (here I am assimilating to you) he was LEGALLY REMOVED from the post of President by LEGAL IMPICHMENT PROCEDURE, then he would remain "just a colonel."

          Is something unclear? .. you asked the question "why the colonel"? .. asked. Did they answer you? .. They answered. Do you have any intelligible objections? Not.

          Well, bless you ...
          1. Senior seaman
            Senior seaman 22 July 2021 12: 47
            -1
            Excuse me, do you really think that capslock makes this grandiose nonsense even a little convincing?
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            But "if" (here I am assimilating to you) he was LEGALLY REMOVED from the post of President by LEGAL IMPICHMENT PROCEDURE, then he would remain "just a colonel"

            Nonsense! He would have become (or will become, although ...) an ex-president, a former president, but not a colonel in any way, just as no one called Khrushchev Lieutenant General.
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            And please do not change topics ...

            How it all starts ...
            So the author of this opus wrote:
            ... the abdication of the emperor without appointing heirs meant only one thing - the collapse of the state machine.

            and so. Nikolay, firstly, appointed. Second, it didn't matter.
            The rest, talk in favor of the poor.
            1. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 14: 58
              +1
              So you can legally become a LEGAL heir only if YOU, AS SUCH, ARE ALWAYS BELIED AND ANYWHERE.

              Those. YOU WILL BE RECOGNIZED BY LEGAL AUTHORITY. WHAT WASN'T HAPPENED ...

              Does it upset you? ..

              I willingly believe. The author's opinion on this subject, alas, suffers from INCOMPLETE ...

              But these are your "grievances" in favor of the poor. Law and LEGAL procedure have nothing to do with your "disappointments" ...
              1. Senior seaman
                Senior seaman 22 July 2021 16: 37
                0
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                Does it upset you?

                What exactly? Your ignorance that you broadcast?
                Not at all.
                Look in the code of laws of the Republic of Ingushetia, there is not a word about the opinion of the faithful, on the contrary:
                The All-Russian Emperor belongs to the Supreme Autocratic Power. To obey His authority, not only for fear, but also for conscience, God Himself commands.

                In other words, what the king commanded is legal.
                The only problem is that the loyal subjects at that moment did not care about this. And no, even more correctly composed, manifesto could not change this.
                Quote: ABC-schütze
                The author's opinion on this subject, alas, suffers from INCOMPLETE ...

                Very mildly said.
                1. ABC-schütze
                  ABC-schütze 23 July 2021 12: 58
                  0
                  "1. What exactly? Your ignorance that you broadcast?"
                  Not at all.
                  2. Look into the code of laws of the Republic of Ingushetia, there is not a word about the opinion of the faithful, on the contrary: "... Obey His authority, not only for fear, but also for conscience, God Himself commands."
                  ************************************************** ********************
                  Thank...

                  After reading me the historical and legal "educational program", you unwittingly confirmed my correctness. And EXACTLY "careless quoting" ...

                  For this, I'll start with n2. ...

                  And AGAIN I will point out the FACT of LACK of readiness on the part of loyal subjects, for "obedience to His authority."

                  Oath to Micah. Al., The loyal subjects DID NOT ACCEPT. So, it was NOT RECOGNIZED BY LEGAL AUTHORITY ...

                  And whether you, even "three meters tall", no references to the Code of Laws of the Republic of Ingushetia, will not help you here ...

                  Now to step 1 ...

                  Advice to "look" into the Code of Laws of the Republic of Ingushetia you would give the February coup. Probably, then THEY would immediately understand that their VISIT to the head of state is ILLEGAL.

                  After all, the State Duma had already been LEGALLY dissolved by Nicholas II by THAT MOMENT. And the POWERS of its members, precisely as DEPUTIES, were TERMINATED.

                  This means that the characters who came to Nicholas II in Pskov "for renunciation" had a "legal status" no more than "passengers of the city tram" ...

                  Does my "illiteracy" annoy you a lot? .. Get used to it ...

                  This is because you, corny, are accustomed to stereotyped interpretation and approaches.

                  Alas, start trying to see the "forest behind individual trees". Those. THE ESSENCE of the process, behind a "bunch" of individual events and facts. Alas, I can’t help you anymore ...
            2. ABC-schütze
              ABC-schütze 23 July 2021 13: 15
              0
              "Nonsense! He would have become (or will become, though ...) an ex-president, a former president, but not a colonel, just like no one called Khrushchev Lieutenant General."
              ***************************************************************************
              Khrushchev, Beria, Malenkov, Trotsky, Bukharin and others. The "detached" characters, including "Shepilov, who joined them," were called differently.

              And they will call ...

              So you "called" or about the LEGAL status of a PERSON at a SPECIFIC historical moment? ..

              Actually, the first and the second should be separated ...

              For this, your "nobody" is nothing more than your opinion, boldly extended to "everyone", sorry already.

              The author "calls" Nikolai Romanov a "colonel" precisely because this rank, in the absence of LEGAL power in the country, could NOT be legally deprived of him by ANYONE. While the Civil War for POWER was going on in Russia, and until the Bolsheviks won it ...

              But whether to "call" him "the former emperor," AFTER his abdication, or not, this is, excuse me, a "matter of taste", or political sympathies - antipathies.

              That is, subjective, not legal, attitude towards the person under discussion.

              The author, in this case, is impartially right "de jure". You are subjective. Just something to do ...
  • Astra wild2
    Astra wild2 21 July 2021 09: 19
    +6
    Colleagues, good morning. I am outraged: "the revival of Soviet socialism is not possible" is more than an idiotic phrase.
    1) SOCIALISM IDEAS ARE ETERNAL. And if this is so, then it is not necessary to declare so categorically.
    Once Andrey from Chelyabinsk spoke here with his vision of "Soviet Union2" and it seems to me quite real.
    This is on the point: "not possible."
    2. Semantic construction. One could say: "there is no return to the previous version" or: "return to the previous model of management is impossible" in meaning and logic would be correct
  • depressant
    depressant 21 July 2021 10: 32
    +1
    The question of the canonization of the royal family is so complex and controversial that as soon as it comes up, I begin to constantly reflect on it. And even thinking about something else, I involuntarily return to it in my thoughts.
    Perhaps the canonization of the royal family is the canonization of the entire Russian empire that has gone into the past? With all her mistakes, achievements and monstrous human sacrifices.
    Perhaps this is an accurate assessment, given by the generous descendants of their country, in which there were too many martyrs, and many deserved canonization. And, apparently, there was no other way. This is goodbye and forgiveness. An appeal not to throw a stone at the injured past. But, having drawn conclusions from his mistakes, more confidently look into the future.
    Holy Russia ...
    You cannot be tolerant of the mistakes of the present, and we are tolerant. We're very, very tolerant, aren't we? Oh no! We are not tolerant, they will tell me. We on the forums shout "How long!" And then, when the angry descendants show us their terrible account, what shall we tell them? What, sipping coffee, protested on the keyboards against the canonization of the tsar, and this, they say, is our great achievement?
    Wow what!
    We are not canonized. Perhaps because, despite our protesting, godless silence, Nicholas II was canonized at one time.
    The king did not deserve holiness. But there was no other image for the canonization of the empire that perished in terrible agony. After all, Nicholas II was her symbol.
    And this is bad when a country has such a symbol, and one wants to canonize a period of its history.
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 July 2021 11: 51
      +4
      Lyudmila Yakovlevna, do you really want canonization?

      You can come to it in different ways.
      For example, the soldier who guarded the martyrs of Sebastia said: "I am also a Christian." And entered the lake.
      1. depressant
        depressant 21 July 2021 12: 25
        +1
        Sergei, well, you are a joker!)))
        Where am I, and where is canonization. The soldier was canonized, a participant in the Chechen war. They tortured him for a long time, and then said: "Take off the cross, accept Islam, you will live." He refused. Others agreed, but he did not. Now the icon is in one of the churches.
        Rodionov Evgeny Alexandrovich - know!
        There are portraits of Eugene in dozens of churches. The icon-portrait on the altar door in the church of the Apostles Peter and Paul in the Znamenka estate near Peterhof has been around since 2000 and was removed for an unknown reason around 2010-11 - what is it, huh? Do you have any idea why?
        In Altai, his icons are in Aktash, Novoaltaisk, Zarinsk and in other places. The icons of the warrior Eugene the Russian are also being painted in Serbia. The image of "Evgheni Militarul" in the painting of the Church of St. Valerius in Chisinau, Moldova. In Ukraine, the image of Yevgeny Rodionov was streaming myrrh from the priest Vadim Shklyarenko from Dnepropetrovsk. "Miro is light in color, with a slight smell of pine needles." The image of Eugene was streaming myrrh on November 20, 2002 in the church in the name of the Holy Martyr Eugene in Altai.
        1. Korsar4
          Korsar4 21 July 2021 14: 57
          +1
          Yes. I know about the warrior Eugene.

          This is how the red thread runs in the history of the country from Mikhail of Chernigovsky to our time.
        2. BAI
          BAI 21 July 2021 22: 53
          +3
          The soldier was canonized, a participant in the Chechen war.

          Not. The ROC refused to canonize him.
          "Church Messenger": Who "Hastened" the Canonization? The Synodal Commission did not find grounds for glorifying the soldier Yevgeny Rodionov in the face of the saints. (Interview of the secretary of the Synodal Commission for the canonization of priest Maxim Maximov)

          http://www.religare.ru/2_8105.html
          All churches in his honor are a popular initiative against the will of the Russian Orthodox Church.
          1. depressant
            depressant 21 July 2021 23: 26
            0
            Colleague BAL, you shocked me. To the depths of my soul.
            A man gave his life - for Faith and Fatherland. Showing incredible courage and resilience, he accepted a martyr's death. For the Orthodox Faith! And he was probably not the only one. And, having canonized him, the people, as it were, canonized all such fallen. And so ... Having given his life for the cross, this church turned out to be unnecessary. There are no words! .. This church! ...
            But it is understandable. After all, then at the official level it would be necessary to compare the magnificently canonized coward with a genuine hero, much more deserving of canonization. And here it is clear in whose favor the comparison will be.
            And further.
            He is Russian, this soldier. He has a beautiful Russian face, simple and sweet. How they hate us for our faces!
            Just now I read Samsonov's article "The myth of the Russian" barbarians "" - a poem! And the whole forum was reduced to mud, to chattering up the topic of allegedly "Russian patriots". This technique is now against us. I don’t go to comment on Samsonov’s articles, because I’m afraid of getting an eternal ban, I already have one warning for nationalism. And I saw how wonderful people flew from VO for this forever. Cheslav Tsursky, St. Petrov ...
            Quietly insinuatingly, pretending to be friends, whole groups of comrades are gradually, when they are unobtrusive, and when they are rudely and clumsily trying to form in us, Russians, an inferiority and guilt complex. And, you know, with respect to some it passes. In the comments, no, no, and it will flicker, they say, I'm a European; or, they say, I don't care who I am.
            Oh really?
            What about archetypes? It's genetics! The one you can't argue against ...
            In general, we are on the roll.
  • looker-on
    looker-on 21 July 2021 11: 38
    +1
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    The name of the successor is capitalized in the manifest.
    And why the colonel?
    Former emperor, ex-emperor ...

    РЇ СЃРѕРіР »Р ° сен.
    Otherwise, following the author's logic: the former president is just a pensioner in the country.
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 21 July 2021 12: 13
    +6
    History completing the circle turned the page.
    The Romanovs, having ascended the throne, killed the last potential heir of the Rurikovichs - Ivan Dmitrievich, the grandson of Ivan IV the Terrible.
    In the prologue and epilogue of the Time of Troubles, the matter did not end with the death of children: the reign of the Romanovs began with the extrajudicial execution of one innocent boy, and the extrajudicial execution of another it ended three centuries later. The bullet and bayonet that killed Tsarevich Alexei Nikolaevich were direct descendants of the rope that strangled Ivan "Vorenok" three hundred years ago.
  • ABC-schütze
    ABC-schütze 21 July 2021 13: 28
    +5
    "There is no USSR either, and the revival of Soviet socialism is impossible, the era is gone, people are gone, the world has changed."
    *
    On account of the "impossibility" of the restoration of Soviet Power (and in Russia, in particular ...), the thesis is more than debatable. And remarks like "the time is different" and "the era is gone" are not considered arguments ...

    History shows that "times" are changing quite radically. And often, VERY FAST ... and that no
    Old lady Clio does not give "guarantees of no return" to anyone and will not give ...

    As for any kind of "reconciliation", why should Russia, in ANY of its incarnations, "bother" with them? ..

    T.N. "Western democracies", who have taken the heads of their monarchs (and their supporters - nobles, clerics and numerous others, quite even "not involved" ...) in the course of "bourgeois revolutions" and civil wars, do this strongly complex?

    Or, on the Champs Elysees, without any "reconciliation", ANNUAL PARADES, on the occasion of Bastille Day, aren't they held? ..

    Someone is demanding an "objective trial" against the sansculottes and Robespierre? .. Or in the Celestial Empire, someone stupidly fusses with the "removal of the body" of Chairman Mao from his Mausoleum? .. And the removal of his portrait from the central square of the capital? ..
  • Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 21 July 2021 13: 30
    -2
    To the discussion of the very personality of Nicholas, I will add that one should not underestimate his knowledge of the prophecies of the monk Abel. It seems that Nicholas "dedicated" himself to the role of the lamb of God and was completely absorbed in this, which certainly does not remove his responsibility for the WILL in deciding the fate of the family and the Empire ...
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 21 July 2021 13: 49
      +2
      "Nicholas" dedicated himself "to the role of God's lamb and was completely absorbed in this, ..."
      *
      I think that on this subject, the same madam Kshesinskaya would strongly disagree with you. Especially in the part of "totally" ...
      1. Aleksandr97
        Aleksandr97 21 July 2021 14: 43
        -2
        These are completely different stories. That Nicholas II was to be tonsured into monasticism at 2 years old !!!
        1. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 13: 19
          0
          Well, if definitions of the type, "the lamb of God" are used, before and at the age of 22 is quite a suitable period ...
  • vladcub
    vladcub 21 July 2021 13: 55
    +1
    "could have shot Guchkov and Shulgin," but what for, what? A convinced monarchist.
    The author, once again, confirms that he is "floating" in the subject.
    1) the monarchy could have been saved if Alekseev had not "squeezed" Nikolai's last telegram2. He passed on the throne to the heir. Until he came of age, there would be a regent, most likely V. to Nikolai Nikolaevich. I doubt that Alexei was able to rule the state and the throne would pass to Nikolai Nikolaevich, the senior branch, but.
    2) be there at least one man in officer's shoulder straps, and not spineless creatures. And within a day it was possible to correct the situation. Here I agree with the author, Nicky did not know how to work with his head. From whom was he surrounded? - "Podkhalyuzins", but they are not capable of making decisions. However, few of the leaders were surrounded by strong-willed people. "Approval" tightens and hypnotizes.
    3). Nikolai 2 could not. to save the family: she would not be released.
    4) "he wanted a trial and the death penalty according to its results" by what laws to judge? Tsarist laws did not work, and Soviet laws did not exist yet. No time to practice law
    5) the decision on the execution of the Romanovs was made by Sverdlov, and then they were attached to the Uralsovet.
  • Looking for
    Looking for 21 July 2021 14: 55
    0
    It was not Colonel Romagov who was shot, but the "banner" of the Russian autocracy
  • Sugar Honeyovich
    Sugar Honeyovich 21 July 2021 16: 21
    +2
    Three mistakes in a row:
    1. Getting involved in a war (but it can be considered a force majeure circumstance).
    2. Appointment of himself as commander-in-chief, which is why the idea has taken root in the country that "now we will definitely lose the war).
    3. The most terrible - the abdication of the throne, because of which the collapse of everything and everyone.
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 21 July 2021 17: 04
    +2
    Ah, the topic is in a circle.
    I liked the analysis of the prehistory of the murder in Goblin. With documents and so on.
    A bit tedious, but popular-understandable
  • CTABEP
    CTABEP 21 July 2021 19: 25
    0
    The death of the Emperor by a bullet or a knife of conspirators, overthrown or renounced, is a professional risk. The murder of his underage children and servants is undoubtedly a crime. The people who justify him are either fools or sadists.
    It's just that if a person talks about "necessity", then the main question is whether he was ready to carry out this procedure himself - to shoot the children in the basement.
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 13: 41
      0
      "The murder of his underage children and servants is undoubtedly a crime. The people who justify him are either fools or sadists."
      *
      Your emotions, for an argument (including a legal assessment) are not "rolled" ...

      For the "risk" mentioned by you, ALREADY FROM THE BEGINNING, BY DEFINITION and the very ESSENCE OF THE AUTHORIZED IMPERIAL POWER, bears not only the reigning Emperor, but the ENTIRE DYNASTY, in WHOLE.

      So, it was not the "minor children" who were shot in the Ipatievsky basement, but the POTENTIAL HERES OF THE THRONE. THIS IS EXACTLY their STATUS ...

      Nicholas II himself, could well have timely eliminated ALL risks in relation to his heir to the throne. By depriving him of the STATUS OF THE HEIR OF THE THRONE OUTSIDE OF AN INUCHABLE DISEASE.

      For he, the heir to the throne, with such a "baggage", would still be ruling Russia, would not be able to fully and INDEPENDENTLY deal with it ...

      But Nicholas II, while on the throne, thought not about the Russia entrusted to him and its future, but about himself - his beloved and "future of the family." And so I "thought of it" in the end ...
      1. Pavel Yusov
        Pavel Yusov 24 July 2021 04: 35
        0
        Do not be nonsense! The sovereign was not dangerous for the Bolsheviks, because he was essentially betrayed by his own people.
        Neither the whites nor the reds needed him. He was killed purposefully and ritually. I read the book of investigator Sokolov, in it he gives irrefutable evidence of the ritual murder of the royal family by the Zionists by the Jews before whom you adore so vehemently! Isn't it time for you, dear one, to go to your historical homeland - to Israel !?
        1. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze 24 July 2021 12: 18
          -1
          The Reds definitely didn't need ...

          As for the "whites", especially their foreign "sponsors" -interventions, the question is very controversial.

          In any case, by the time of the Ipatievsky basement, before the so-called. The "Versailles world" of this "views" of the future of Russia was still very far away ...
    2. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 22 July 2021 13: 46
      +1
      "It's just that if a person talks about 'necessity', then the main question is whether he was ready to carry out this procedure himself - to shoot the children in the basement."
      *
      Not "children", but POTENTIAL CHRISTMAS, this time ...

      Second ...

      Well, and if he was ready "would be"? .. EXACTLY "in the basement", and precisely the HEALERS? ..

      What? .. A familiar, impotent hysteria with screams, like he is a "sadist" and "child-killer"? ..
      1. Pavel Yusov
        Pavel Yusov 24 July 2021 04: 36
        +1
        What an inhuman scum you are! I hope you will dispose of yourself with nano-liquid.
        1. ABC-schütze
          ABC-schütze 24 July 2021 12: 14
          -1
          Your "hopes", in the context of my person, will be discussed later. When they write an article about me on the VO forum ...

          Do you have something to say on the topic and on the case? ..
  • Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 22 July 2021 14: 24
    -1
    Quote: Al_lexx
    There was no defeat in WWI. The Bolsheviks took away the victory in this war from Russia, demoralizing the army and signing the humiliating Brest peace.
    History should be known not only from Soviet textbooks.

    1. If someone took away the victory, it means all the same defeat beat.
    2. The Bolsheviks beat only 10 thousand people out of which 90% of them in a forced laborer and managed to decompose the victorious tsarist army that was already advancing in the vicinity of Berlin. So you say that the Bolsheviks are supermen.
  • fif21
    fif21 22 July 2021 14: 39
    -1
    A mad dog, a dog's death, with the whole brood. There are still those who wish to experience the anger of the people, this is their right. History teaches nothing. Only then, standing at the wall, they will understand that they are dung worms. And the memory of the people is not subject to them.
  • Grossvater
    Grossvater 22 July 2021 14: 45
    +1
    Cherry on the cake!
    Unless, of course, I am not mistaken, the central military institutions of the Empire, almost the General Staff, were evacuated to Eburg. Those. the city was overflowing with officers of the General Staff, the training of which all the end experts of the world would envy.
    The heels of the General Staff of lieutenant colonels, swinging a hundred meters, would sweep all these "revolutionary forces" to EM.
    How annoying Niksanych was, if no one stood up for him!
    Women and children, of course, are very sorry!
    1. ABC-schütze
      ABC-schütze 23 July 2021 15: 59
      0
      "The heels of the General Staff of lieutenant colonels, swinging a sotochka, would sweep all these" revolutionary forces "to EM.
      *
      Well, this is unlikely ...

      The Cavalier of St. George, Colonel Kutepov, had 3,5 companies under his command, to which Khabalov added another 3,5 companies of soldiers and a squadron of cavalrymen. The total number of Kutepov's detachment is up to 7 infantry companies (at least 750 soldiers), 13 machine guns with machine gunners and a cavalry squadron (about 120 horsemen). With this "fist" of 900 bayonets and sabers, Kutepov could not do anything. Even to the "city center" to walk ...

      The detachment simply "got stuck" and "dissolved" in countless, ubiquitous, small clashes and urban chaos ...
  • Kwas
    Kwas 22 July 2021 16: 04
    0
    Quote: Cherry Nine

    But so that the Bolsheviks were excused from the decision on Nicholas - this has never been seen before.

    You have a strange set of information sources, specific, to the science of history, apparently not involved. And she, this science, is complex ...
    1. Cherry Nine
      Cherry Nine 23 July 2021 08: 21
      0
      Yes you are right. To blame Nikolai for excesses on the ground is not a new idea. I missed this moment.
  • V means B
    V means B 22 July 2021 17: 41
    -1
    Comments to such articles are very interesting to read, more interesting than the articles themselves.
  • V means B
    V means B 22 July 2021 17: 51
    -1
    True, there is nothing to comment on; all smart thoughts were sorted out, not a single one was left. It remains only to silently put + and -.
  • V means B
    V means B 22 July 2021 17: 53
    -1
    And in pursuit, maybe someone will give a list of books to read with the aim, so to speak, to expand the mental outlook, so that there is something to write in the comments.
  • Alexey LK
    Alexey LK 23 July 2021 11: 50
    0
    A strange article, especially in the sense that many different theses are mixed into one heap - both indisputable and obvious, and delusional. But the topic itself is extremely interesting, of course. Especially its financial aspect - after all, the Romanovs, among other things, were, to put it mildly, very rich and were the formal owners of huge funds and assets, incl. abroad. The author does not seem to know about this at all and does not guess ...
    1. Pavel Yusov
      Pavel Yusov 24 July 2021 04: 29
      0
      Is wealth a sin? Sin does not share wealth with others. Sovereign Nicholas, the second of his personal funds, donated a lot to the needs of the Russian people. Where does such a pathological hatred for the king come from in you? He was killed by the Jews, the communists, and this is an irrefutable fact. Are you Jewish by nationality?
      1. Alexey LK
        Alexey LK 25 July 2021 05: 47
        0
        [quote = Pavel Americans] Is wealth a sin? [/ quote]
        Did I once mention that this is a sin? Rather, it is a sin to see in the words of others only the bad and not to use for its intended purpose what is given to us from above, so to speak, in the image and likeness - in this case, the mind, in order to distinguish the meaning of words. After all, the main idea of ​​the article is why Nicholas II was killed. So I draw your attention to the fact that aspects of ownership could well have been (and probably were) the real driving motives behind the customers of this crime, because after the death of the owners, to claim money and assets back to the country (and the article also says that the Emperor and the state were, in fact, inseparable) is almost unreal. I am a Slav, but this is actually an incorrect question! Especially when at first you don't know what kind of tribe you will be. But I am not asking about this, you can not write. Be healthy!
  • Pavel Yusov
    Pavel Yusov 24 July 2021 04: 26
    0
    The empire will still be for a short time. For an Orthodox person, this is immutable. It is not people who run states, but God. If the ruler is bad, then the Lord allowed this for the sins of the people. Monarchy is power from God and it is written about it in the Bible, all other forms of government are only God's allowance for the sins of nations.
    Monarchy is one-man rule and there is nothing wrong with that. Of all the Soviet leaders, only Stalin was the closest to the monarchy. democracy is spread fingers, monarchy is a fist.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 July 2021 10: 36
    0
    So Moscow had to pretend that nothing of the kind happened, although the blow to the newborn RSFSR and personally to the Bolsheviks was serious, and the image losses were huge.
    Well, what is this "attempt to figure it out"? And laughter and sin. The emperor himself and his entire family were killed because it was impossible not to kill them.
    This is the specificity of the existence of a monarchy - the whole family is responsible for its highest position, and precisely with life. At the same time, it does not happen that the king, king, emperor abdicated, and they all became ordinary people. Anyone and everyone, including a half-dead hemophiliac, became the banner in the struggle for power. That is, the source of thousands and thousands of human deaths that could have been avoided.
    The murder is terrible. But this is exactly how the monarch's family is responsible for the fact that the monarch did not cope. This is bad, but fair. Although several deaths of one family are nothing in front of millions of deaths of those who depended on them and whom they betrayed, not having coped with their task.
    Having recognized Nicholas as a saint, the ROC betrayed the Russian people.
  • shekhol
    shekhol 28 July 2021 20: 36
    0




    That says it all .. And the author of the article wrote complete nonsense and did not study this topic.