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"The hint is clear": the West is commenting on the publication of Rostec with the reflection of a British destroyer in the sight of a promising aircraft

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Today, the network is actively discussing the publication of Rostec, which appeared on the corporation's official Twitter page. Accompanying the publication of the image of the sighting complex of a promising aircraft with a smiley, Rostec writes literally the following:


Black cases are very tempting, but the details are always more interesting.

It is noted that the presentation of a promising domestic aircraft will be carried out within the framework of the MAKS-2021 International Aerospace Salon. This representative international forum aviation and Astronautics starts on July 20 and will last until the 25th of this month.

The publication of Rostec on Twitter attracted attention due to the fact that the reflection of a warship can be seen in the sighting complex of a promising Russian aircraft. And this "target" is the notorious British destroyer Defender, which a few days ago made a provocation off the coast of Crimea, violating the Russian maritime borders in a zone closed to foreign navigation.

The appearance of such an image in the Rostec microblog was not ignored in the West. Comments from experts and ordinary users appear in the media, blogs and social networks. At the same time, the opinions of the commentators differ significantly. While some call this publication "pampering", others consider it "a completely unambiguous signal to the British Navy."

A few comments in the foreign blogosphere:

The Russians showed the British ship in the sight of their new aircraft. The hint is clear. But this is self-indulgence, nothing more.

Interesting publication. It is quite possible to regard it as an unambiguous signal to the British naval department.

In Russia, Britain is not called an enemy, but it is shown that in the Black Sea its ships are at gunpoint.
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Twitter / Rostec
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  1. pyagomail.com
    pyagomail.com 17 July 2021 20: 38
    +12
    Interesting publication. It is quite possible to regard it as an unambiguous signal to the British naval department.

    The way it is. Of course, it would be interesting to know more about the new aircraft.
    1. alexmach
      alexmach 17 July 2021 21: 01
      +19
      IMHO Single-engine light fighter based on the SU-57 components.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 17 July 2021 21: 18
        +3
        Single-engine light fighter based on the SU-57 components.

        VTOL aircraft? wink
        1. alexmach
          alexmach 17 July 2021 21: 24
          +12
          I doubt it very much. Firstly, it is difficult and not a fact that you need.
          1. Alex777
            Alex777 17 July 2021 21: 26
            +14
            Firstly difficult

            The Yak-141, before the creation of the F-35B, was carefully studied.

            not a fact that you need.

            GDP in 2018 personally ordered that VTOL was.
            The UDC that is being built in Crimea does not make sense without it.
            IMHO. hi
            1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
              Ivanoff_Ivanoff 18 July 2021 10: 12
              -7
              Quote: Alex777
              Yak-141, before the creation of the F-35B, was carefully studied

              before the creation of the F-35, they had a Convair Model 200 and a couple of experimental VTOL aircraft
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 18 July 2021 10: 20
                +4
                before the creation of the F-35, they had

                Harrier II in the amount of no less than 337 pieces.

                like, are the turntables on the UDC no longer a cake?

                Recently, everyone began to put VTOL aircraft on the UDC.
                Starting from the States and ending with the Turks / Spaniards.
                The secrecy of the VI of our UDC is also not without reason. IMHO. hi
                1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                  Ivanoff_Ivanoff 19 July 2021 00: 25
                  -4
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Harrier II in the amount of no less than 337 pieces.

                  They did not design "Harrier", only modernized and used it. It was not for nothing that I remembered about Convair - he is the prototype of the F-35.
                  Quote: Alex777
                  Recently, everyone began to put VTOL aircraft on the UDC

                  those who have VTOL aircraft. We do not have it. Therefore - only turntables.
                2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                  Ivanoff_Ivanoff 19 July 2021 00: 26
                  -2
                  This photo clearly shows that this is not a VTOL aircraft.
                  1. vargo
                    vargo 19 July 2021 03: 09
                    0
                    Strange photo, where is it from? The coloring seems strange to me. Is it really him?
                    1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                      Ivanoff_Ivanoff 19 July 2021 08: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: vargo
                      Strange photo, where is it from?

                      from this hangar
                      By the way, the video has already been posted here.
                      1. vargo
                        vargo 19 July 2021 09: 17
                        0
                        Thank you) I found a photo below, and from the site. Just confused by the coloring
                      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
                        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 19 July 2021 09: 25
                        -1
                        his color is normal, light and dark gray. The lighting in the hangar is like this, and even the calibration circles bring their own. True, as far as can be seen from the video and from the photo, it is not pixelated (as on the Su-57)
            2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
              Ivanoff_Ivanoff 18 July 2021 10: 12
              0
              Quote: Alex777
              UDC, which is being built in Crimea, do not make sense without it

              like, are the turntables on the UDC no longer a cake?
            3. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 18 July 2021 11: 22
              +1
              Quote: Alex777
              GDP in 2018 personally ordered that VTOL was.

              To make an aircraft only in the VTOL version, in my opinion, is not profitable, since the niche of its use is not large. Without VTOL aircraft - more in demand + export potential.
              And if the plane is made in two versions at once (with and without VTOL aircraft), then we kill two birds with one stone. True, the Americans with this approach did not succeed very much (F-35).
              I think so.
              1. Alex777
                Alex777 18 July 2021 16: 26
                +1
                And if the plane is made in two versions at once (with and without VTOL aircraft), then we kill two birds with one stone. True, the Americans with this approach did not succeed very much (F-35).
                I think so.

                And I think we need 3 types of fighters:
                1.long-range interceptor (MiG-41, MiG-31),
                2.heavy (Su-57, Su-35 ets.),
                3. light VTOL aircraft (useful both in the navy and at the front).
                For our unique country, with its length, the need to defend the North and meet on distant frontiers, all of the above is needed.
                We will never take the number of fighters (for many reasons), we will have to take quality.
                Nobody produces a normal supersonic 1,8-2,2M VTOL aircraft now. The F-35B's problems are known.
                The price will depend on the size of the series for our customers and overseas sales. wink
                1. El Chuvachino
                  El Chuvachino 18 July 2021 17: 22
                  0
                  In general, the new not VTOL aircraft, at least not specifically given to the CNS
                  1. Alex777
                    Alex777 18 July 2021 17: 22
                    -1
                    Is it already known for sure?
                    1. El Chuvachino
                      El Chuvachino 18 July 2021 17: 26
                      +3
                      The design does not favor the location of a vertical engine.





                      But it is possible that there is a modification project with VTOL aircraft. There is no reason not to be needed. We wait. To summarize, this is not a MiG or a Yak, but a Sukhoi project within the KLA with maximum unification with the 57th. It seems that the news is great, but a little sad.
                      1. Alex777
                        Alex777 18 July 2021 17: 28
                        +4
                        It seems that the news is great, but a little sad.

                        Somewhere far away, the Indians began to dance battle dances. laughing
                        Let's hope that the VTOL aircraft will be finished with their money. hi
                        We don't really need an ordinary light one, IMHO. Although the price always matters.
                        PS To be honest, I would not want to sell either the Su-57 or VTOL aircraft to anyone ...
                      2. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 18 July 2021 17: 31
                        +3
                        I share these feelings, Alexander hi Market to get it.

                        While there are questions to the air intake. It is possible that we can wait for something like this.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 18 July 2021 17: 34
                        +1

                        Whether there is a place for the front engines is not clear ... There is a timid hope ...
                      4. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 18 July 2021 17: 36
                        +2
                        Yes sir. We wait. VTOL aircraft are very needed to increase the potential of the Kerch UDC and future ships. And I'm not talking about demand over the hill, since we accept these rules as they are.
                      5. Alex777
                        Alex777 18 July 2021 21: 02
                        0
                        Interesting angle:
                      6. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 19 July 2021 01: 09
                        +1
                        So.

                        Product 30 - yes


                        The face raises questions
                      7. Alex777
                        Alex777 19 July 2021 02: 12
                        +1
                        As for the face, there is a comparison of the F-35B and our new product:

                        I also liked the slogan:
                        "Do you guys really think we still have nothing to surprise you with?"
                      8. The comment was deleted.
                2. Vissarion Golubov
                  Vissarion Golubov 19 July 2021 10: 47
                  0
                  The thoughts are correct. But we would like to bring the SU-57 to mind. 3 regiments are planned for the whole country, they are doing it piece by piece ... Maybe they will swing with a new car
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 17 July 2021 21: 45
          +17
          Rostech will remain intriguing until July 20. Today, footage of the presentation site has been inserted into the story about the MAKS opening training sessions. This is not a hangar, this is something reminiscent of the scene of the introduction of a rock star of the world greatness. Draped in black material, with the inscription in English: Inverted chessboard. Very a bold statement. According to the plot, tomorrow the topic should be thrown.
          1. Peter Urlinov
            Peter Urlinov 19 July 2021 15: 52
            +1
            The checkmate ... Turn the chessboard is being translated even more ambitiously. "Checkmate ... will turn the chessboard"
        3. Vitamin
          Vitamin 17 July 2021 22: 51
          -1
          Is not a fact. From the word "absolutely".
        4. Cowbra
          Cowbra 17 July 2021 22: 58
          +7
          And where will he be from and where will he be? Think like that too
      2. SSR
        SSR 18 July 2021 11: 19
        0
        Quote: alexmach
        IMHO Single-engine light fighter based on the SU-57 components.

        And with an air intake like the F-16
    2. Alien From
      Alien From 17 July 2021 23: 29
      +3
      I want from the pictures closer to the case / body, so to speak ... tired ...
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 18 July 2021 00: 24
      +9
      Let's wait for the salon, I managed to visit there in the 15th, very beautiful and informative! About the roar of turbines and aerobatics, generally keep quiet. )
      1. vargo
        vargo 19 July 2021 03: 14
        +1
        I plan to go there, there is some clear understanding of what you can not go straight to, but where do you need to go straight?) Just your opinion is interesting
        1. Alien From
          Alien From 19 July 2021 11: 01
          +1
          The event is so large-scale, it’s impossible to catch everything in a day (eyes widen), as in our time I don’t know, but in the 15th the people were like in an anthill, even at the entrance!
    4. Michael67
      Michael67 18 July 2021 01: 27
      +7
      "The Russians showed the British ship in the sight of their new aircraft. The hint is clear. But this is self-indulgence."
      Pampering is yours, Britain, proshmandovskie games near the shores of the Russian Crimea. You, the island, have already clearly said - "We will drown." So change your diaper and take it.
      1. tolmachiev51
        tolmachiev51 18 July 2021 04: 20
        +5
        ....... take yadu. - apparently wanted to say "newbie" British spill!
    5. den3080
      den3080 18 July 2021 07: 12
      -10
      Please tell me who knows. Is it also customary for the Chinese defense industry to post their developments on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or VKontakte?
      I understand that advertising is the engine of commerce.
      And the defense is the engine of what?
      1. Herman 4223
        Herman 4223 18 July 2021 11: 22
        +2
        This machine is most likely made for export. In the near future, in this class will buy the mig-35. Next, a new plane should appear from a moment, with two engines. Maybe we'll see another fight for a place in the sun.
      2. alexmach
        alexmach 18 July 2021 12: 29
        +1
        Please tell me who knows. Is it also customary for the Chinese defense industry to post their developments on Twitter, Facebook, Instagram or VKontakte?

        Have you seen a photo with a blowing in the tube of a flying wing, presumably a new long-range bomber (or a model)?
      3. klimalekc
        klimalekc 18 July 2021 12: 49
        +2
        The Chinese have their own tick-tock.
      4. alexmach
        alexmach 18 July 2021 16: 32
        0
        And here is the fresh news about him arrived
        Another version of the alleged external appearance of the promising Chinese strategic bomber Xian H-20 has been published online. This time, the image is reportedly featured in the profile magazine of the National Defense Corporation of the People's Republic of China.

        https://topwar.ru/185074-klon-amerikanskogo-b-2-spirit-v-kitae-predstavili-izobrazhenie-perspektivnogo-strategicheskogo-bombardirovschika-xian-h-20.html
    6. Albert Mikhailovich
      Albert Mikhailovich 18 July 2021 19: 32
      +2
      There is already a video on YouTube
  2. Stepan S
    Stepan S 17 July 2021 20: 42
    +17
    There are two days left and then the secret will become clear. This will undoubtedly be the number one news at MAKS-2021.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 17 July 2021 21: 18
      +9
      Unfortunately, there are three days left.
      On the 20th they promise to tell what is there.
    2. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 17 July 2021 21: 42
      +2
      If you look closely, the nozzle is not flat, but round. The configuration is the same as that of the Hunter UAV.
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 17 July 2021 22: 07
        +14
        The F-35 is also not flat. And nobody complains.
      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 18 July 2021 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: SKVichyakow
        If you look closely, the nozzle is not flat, but round.

        How can it be flat if neither the AL-31F nor the "Product 30" have it?
  3. Evil troll
    Evil troll 17 July 2021 20: 43
    +10
    They know how to catch up with intrigue.
  4. Xlor
    Xlor 17 July 2021 20: 44
    +24
    Personally, it is much more pleasant for me to look at them all through the sight ...
    I will print it, put it in a frame and hang it on the wall! wink
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 17 July 2021 21: 14
      +3
      Quote: Xlor
      I will print it, put it in a frame and hang it on the wall!

      Sim, win! good
  5. Lawyer1
    Lawyer1 17 July 2021 20: 45
    -19
    The sight turns out to be from the side, not in the middle
    1. PN
      PN 17 July 2021 22: 59
      +18
      Yes, even at the tip of the wing, the main thing is to cope with the task at hand.
  6. Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 July 2021 20: 46
    -58
    Oh, purely PR.
    Yapas, Koreans, and even the Europioids have already shown mock-ups of new 5th generation aircraft.
    But not flying.

    Let's join them, apparently ...

    And in China, the 2nd plane of the 5th generation is already flying ...
    The engines are there, copying, blah blah, but it flies, and the engines, they wrote, increase the power 25-7% per year ...
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 17 July 2021 21: 01
      +25
      laughing and who said that this Su-59 does not fly?
      1. mole
        mole 17 July 2021 21: 28
        -27
        Quote: Barberry25
        laughing and who said that this Su-59 does not fly?

        Who said that it flies. And who saw what was flying? Just don't blame the state secret.
        Set correctly, breaks patterns!
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 17 July 2021 21: 35
          +33
          incorrectly set, because for some reason Max puts us and the same Koreans in a row, who only showed the model .. although the su-57 has already gone to the troops .. that's always touches the position of the topvarovtsy - do not regret the belly, but humiliate and throw mud at Russia. . if suddenly something is clear who will run to the police
          1. mole
            mole 17 July 2021 21: 38
            -45
            Quote: Barberry25
            incorrectly set, because for some reason Max puts us and the same Koreans in a row, who only showed the model .. although the su-57 has already gone to the troops .. that's always touches the position of the topvarovtsy - do not regret the belly, but humiliate and throw mud at Russia. . if suddenly something is clear who will run to the police

            The policemen will be "your destiny".
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 17 July 2021 21: 45
              +33
              oh yes, it’s you you have a fashion for any mention of Russian weapons to throw poop, but I’m supposedly a traitor, and you "love the Motherland" .. funny anecdote
              1. mole
                mole 17 July 2021 21: 56
                -50
                Anecdote You!
                The hunt is ridiculous to sob.
                Although in parallel. God is the judge.
                1. Shraik
                  Shraik 18 July 2021 21: 23
                  +1
                  You are the one who is funny
        2. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 17 July 2021 21: 54
          +25
          Quote: Mole
          Who said that it flies. And who saw what flies?

          Should it fly over your head?
          Those who are supposed to see him do not sit on the VO website
          1. JD1979
            JD1979 17 July 2021 22: 00
            -21
            Quote: Seryoga64
            Should it fly over your head?
            Those who are supposed to see him do not sit on the VO website

            What flies almost always catches the eye of spotters, which means he did not fly, if he was almost immediately caught while towing, then it is strange that he was not caught earlier if he was flying.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 17 July 2021 22: 12
              +20
              We had a case before the Olympics, a person wanted to look through good optics what he was not supposed to. As he himself said: I wish I hadn't done this. They know how to keep secrets. If necessary, they will invite a proven spotter for draining.
            2. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 17 July 2021 22: 25
              +24
              Quote: JD1979
              What flies almost always catches the eye of spotters

              Enough for you to tell fairy tales about spotters.
              Fool them like blind kittens. Do you really think that professional counterintelligence agents are worse than these amateurs?
            3. Barberry25
              Barberry25 17 July 2021 23: 01
              +20
              laughing he was not caught in tow - he was photographed by the employees, for they immediately posted a photo with a comment ..
              1. JD1979
                JD1979 18 July 2021 13: 33
                +1
                Quote: Barberry25
                he was not caught in tow - he was photographed by the employees, for they immediately posted a photo with a comment ..

                Yes, yes, they deliberately moved away so that the first pictures turned out to be as fuzzy as possible))) But after them, when it was pointless to hide further, pictures of normal quality and from an adequate distance went.
            4. akarfoxhound
              akarfoxhound 17 July 2021 23: 31
              +22
              As I understand it, with serious things about aviation security, your rich experience is based only on keyboard with a monitor. There is a very unfortunate experience in KNAAPO to remove for itself (without distribution) during operation the old flying Su-17UM3, used by the plant as a weather scout not so long ago, I did not even suspect this rarity is being used "today". At the same time, I was there officially and for a long time. Do you seem like a "lucky cowboy Claudia" who can do everything? And your spotters are cool guys, and those who are engaged in protected security technologies are
              tyny little dogs? Oh well... drinks
              1. Yuri V.A
                Yuri V.A 18 July 2021 03: 48
                -8
                As they say, it all depends on the ability - some of them fail to take a shot, others shoot and take out half of the Doomsday plane. These are the regime technologies ...
                1. akarfoxhound
                  akarfoxhound 18 July 2021 12: 26
                  +2
                  Identical to the same strife - haven't you heard that? It is you, Yuri, who have never been present at one or the second plant, you have nothing to compare with, all "deep worldviews" based on articles of the same masters of the Internet. Hence the conclusion is ripening that you are the "Spyensky photographer" as well as the "expert of the given issue", that is. exclusively - domesticated computer. Do not agree?
                  Well, a feather in the bottom, a camera in the teeth and off you go! First, the Khurba airport of the glorious city of Komsomolsk on the Amur, then 20 km by bus or taxi to the Dzemgi airfield and ta-daam! D. Bond is in place !!
                  We look forward to your personalized walcrownds from sectors A and B of the "hole-intake" KNAAPO! (Well, or an interview with a pre-trial detention center, but this is certainly unlikely, faith in your abilities is unshakable, you are a pro! wink )
                  1. Yuri V.A
                    Yuri V.A 18 July 2021 14: 34
                    0
                    And what is your verbal diarrhea for? You didn’t even realize that if you burned yourself like a photo spy, it could be different in other places.
                    1. akarfoxhound
                      akarfoxhound 18 July 2021 16: 22
                      0
                      Did I say somewhere that I was "burned"? An unsuccessful photo session means being left without a photo session, having the opportunity to get acquainted with the control and monitoring system of the territory from the inside - he didn't even twitch. But you ..., comparing the TANTK with KNAAPO, made conclusions about the extraction of information, directly worthy of the MI-6 award !!! good

                      So, Yuri, will you do something with your own hands or will you again play with the stern like a market boat, covering your inaction "by words"? wink
                      The man is not a balabol, the man said that he could do it differently, the man did it! We are waiting soldier
                      1. Yuri V.A
                        Yuri V.A 19 July 2021 01: 06
                        0
                        Before making a sad conclusion about your mental abilities, remind me where you saw my desire to demonstrate a master class of operational photography to a young photographer?
                      2. akarfoxhound
                        akarfoxhound 20 July 2021 00: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Yuri V.A.
                        Before making a sad conclusion about your mental capacity, remind


                        Wow, suddenly the wooden abacus for the on-board computer's abilities felt sad?wink
                        Mine, for example, 30 years ago (at the Armavir flight school) in the 1st group of professional selection were passed (higher). What about you, young man?
                        Peering down and among the slippers, we look at the IQ of my opponent with complete admiration:
                        - climbs into a dispute, nullified in the technical topic and relying on the published speculations of the same sofa "experts";
                        - not able to comprehend the text of average complexity;
                        - painfully fantasizes about a specific physical capability, which no one has ever succeeded in this object (neither the MiG-15, nor the Su-15,27,35,37,57 appeared anywhere without an official, everywhere the "partners" were surprised).
                        If it was not, and Yurets is sure of the possibility to foam at the mouth, the conclusion is elementary primitive - Yura can do it himself!
                        But "X" spent the night there, Yura can only tryndet!

                        P.S. There was a humorous series on TV about an operative, called BALABOL, yours, I recommend.
                        I will not offer a screen version of Dostoevsky's classics with E. Mironov in the main role, you still master small texts
                      3. Yuri V.A
                        Yuri V.A 20 July 2021 02: 22
                        0
                        "Congratulations, Sharik, you are a dunce", ok, in what hallucinations did you see a technical dispute? Tie it with a hawthorn, and according to your mental development, it is noticeable that you are not capable of more than checking inventory numbers. And leave me alone, I'm tired of it already.
                      4. akarfoxhound
                        akarfoxhound 20 July 2021 07: 57
                        0
                        Based on the time of the retaliatory insanity with the mention:
                        - hawthorn,
                        -inventory numbers,
                        -rejection of the electronic security system for equipment
                        -a claim for mental ability after another crossword puzzle
                        that did the night watchman talk to me !? wassat

                        I tie it, it's a sin to try to over you laughing
              2. JD1979
                JD1979 18 July 2021 13: 50
                0

                Come on experienced, do me something. Sitting on the porch, sipping a beer and taking pictures of the clouds.
                As I understand it, you are also far from secrecy as the center of the galaxy is from the Earth)) And yes, everyone messes up, even professionals, had personal experience))
            5. Herman 4223
              Herman 4223 18 July 2021 11: 31
              0
              Have we ever shown airplane models? He may not have flown yet, but the sample is probably flying and preparing for the first flight.
              1. Marconi41
                Marconi41 18 July 2021 13: 04
                +1
                Quote: Herman 4223
                He may not have flown yet, but the sample is probably flying and preparing for the first flight.

                First flight and immediately on Max? It is not real
                1. Herman 4223
                  Herman 4223 18 July 2021 16: 37
                  0
                  At MAKS it will simply be shown. And the flight will be a little later, or maybe it already was.
    2. 1976AG
      1976AG 17 July 2021 21: 40
      +9
      "And in China the 2nd plane of the 5th generation is already flying ..."

      So we have more flying already
    3. Alexander Pseudonym
      Alexander Pseudonym 17 July 2021 22: 12
      -42
      Yes. The Chinese are ahead of Russia in the creation of 5th generation fighters. The only problem they had was with the engine. They solved this problem this year.
      1. PN
        PN 17 July 2021 23: 02
        +17
        Did the Chinese tell you about their successes in this matter?
        1. Charik
          Charik 18 July 2021 18: 04
          +1
          100%, for a motor vehicle or whatever the Chinese wanted to buy
          1. sifgame
            sifgame 19 July 2021 13: 39
            0
            and the fact that they did not buy it doesn’t seem to matter? Well, you can probably buy a KRAZ and make an engine there.
      2. Albert1988
        Albert1988 17 July 2021 23: 26
        +16
        Quote: Alexander Pseudonym
        They solved this problem this year.

        So, that only fighters with Russian engines fly at parades? And yes "this year" - what is it in? 21st, 20th go 19th? Otherwise, they have already lost count, how many times this year they solved the problem of engines
      3. akarfoxhound
        akarfoxhound 17 July 2021 23: 34
        +17
        They did not decide, to their deep Chinese regret.
        Doctor, a neighbor says that at 80 he can satisfy a young lady up to 4 times a night! I want that too! Who's stopping you ?! You speak too! wink
      4. bayard
        bayard 18 July 2021 00: 43
        +16
        Have you decided exactly?
        And exactly the 5th generation?
        Have you seen the aerodynamic ridges under the belly of the J-20? Attached at right angles to the attachment points? How much do you think this affects the EPR?
        And the fact that they riveted more than their J-20s ... with our AL-31F ... with a large take-off weight ... does not mean that the quality and characteristics are worth it.
        The Su-57 is generally more advanced in terms of aerodynamics, controllability, all-aspect radar systems and, in general, in line-up than the F-22, F-35 and of course the J-20.
        And now on the horizon is a new 5th generation single-engine LFMI, which is also most likely a VTOL aircraft. So it is not known who will bring their LFMI earlier, the Chinese have their J-35, which has a problem with the engines, or our own LFMI.
        And the Chinese do not even have a trace of such an engine on the horizon of 10-15 years.
        So far, no one has such a thing - a combination of power and specific thrust.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 18 July 2021 03: 54
          -12
          You would not be in a hurry to write posts. Problems of morphology and syntax affect the process of mastering the material.
          Compare?

          hi
        2. Alexander Pseudonym
          Alexander Pseudonym 18 July 2021 12: 10
          -8
          Check out avia.pro
          TVM has information on the Chinese engine
          1. 1976AG
            1976AG 18 July 2021 12: 33
            +4
            Quote: Alexander Pseudonym
            Check out avia.pro
            TVM has information on the Chinese engine

            Do you trust all sources of information or only this? According to my observations, this publication is in the forefront of those who lie so often and so much.
          2. Jonathan Davis
            Jonathan Davis 18 July 2021 13: 26
            +7
            Is this the rubbish dump where there was an article about Tu-22m3m with a rocket engine? Yes, you are a brain
      5. klimalekc
        klimalekc 18 July 2021 12: 58
        +1
        They didn’t get ahead and didn’t decide. They didn’t have any developments at all, they were trying to buy or steal.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 17 July 2021 23: 19
      +7
      Quote: Max1995

      Max1995 (Max)

      Why drive a wave? There will be a day there will be food
    5. tolmachiev51
      tolmachiev51 18 July 2021 04: 24
      +1
      officials have more problems than flights. J20 pulls 4+ but not 5.
    6. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 18 July 2021 11: 41
      +1
      Quote: Max1995
      And in China, the 2nd plane of the 5th generation is already flying ...

      The fact that these are aircraft of the 5th generation we know only from the words of the Chinese, but this is not the fact that it is true.
  7. Cat
    Cat 17 July 2021 20: 48
    +29
    Yes, smart guys work in the advertising department of Rostec. Nice move.
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 17 July 2021 21: 21
      0
      Nice move.

      Are you talking about flipping the chessboard? smile
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 17 July 2021 23: 12
        +8
        I don’t understand the cons?
        Haven't you seen this photo?


        A mysterious plane in this hangar.
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 18 July 2021 00: 12
          +12
          Minus those who do not do the planes themselves. Aviation tyrnet buzzing, maybe a surprise, hopefully flying.
  8. Stepan S
    Stepan S 17 July 2021 20: 51
    +3
    The premiere of the UAC home air show will be the presentation of the new aircraft, which will take place on July 20, the first day of MAKS-2021. The presentation will be broadcasted on the YouTube channels of the State Corporation Rostec and UAC, as well as on the project website.

    For the first time, the general public will be shown the MS-21-310 medium-range aircraft with a PD-14 engine and the Il-114-300 regional aircraft. The new aircraft will be presented both in the flight program and in the static parking area of ​​the air show.

    Interesting, this phrase
    New aircraft will be presented as in the flight program
    applies to the new aircraft as well?
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 July 2021 20: 58
      +17
      applies to the new aircraft as well?

      Hardly ... he was driven into the hangar. Most likely this is either a full sized layout or a demonstrator. Rather, the second.
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 17 July 2021 21: 09
        +9
        Most likely this is either a full sized layout or a demonstrator

        I also tend to this. Hopefully the demonstrator, which we will soon see in flight.
      2. mole
        mole 17 July 2021 21: 31
        -25
        Quote: Wedmak
        Rather, the second.

        Also I am inclined that "show-off".
        1. Charik
          Charik 18 July 2021 18: 12
          +2
          show-off on your head, small, but growing
      3. serezhasoldatow
        serezhasoldatow 17 July 2021 21: 42
        +3
        There was infa that a valid sample. Already flown.
      4. jaroff
        jaroff 17 July 2021 22: 20
        0
        Layout. It is called LTS-M. M-layout
    2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
      Ivanoff_Ivanoff 18 July 2021 10: 18
      -1
      Quote: Stepan S
      Interesting, this phrase
      New aircraft will be presented as in the flight program
      applies to the new aircraft as well?

      So think for yourself. Who will launch an untested plane? So that he accidentally fell on someone's head? Before being shown at an air show, the machine must be well tested, otherwise it is fraught with not only embarrassment ... Have you seen that these pepelats fly (except for the cartoon)? And nobody saw. Here's the answer - it will be in static exposure.
  9. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 17 July 2021 20: 52
    -49
    And for me, it's really some kind of not very witty pampering. Kindergarten. An empty oversight. So-so...
    1. Charik
      Charik 18 July 2021 18: 22
      +3
      when a cat has nothing to do, the same as an understatement - witty pampering - he does what he knows best.
  10. Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 July 2021 20: 52
    -19
    Could generally depict an English destroyer sinking, torn in half by an explosion. And, hardly anyone would call such a hint "pampering".
  11. petrol cutter
    petrol cutter 17 July 2021 20: 55
    +8
    Rather, it was taken for escort.
    I would call the events that way. hi
    1. kuzimka
      kuzimka 19 July 2021 19: 01
      -2
      Enlighten, dear, at what distance will the destroyer take an aerial target for escort? And at what distance it is vice versa. Will the plane take a surface target for escort? And so that on an optical sight something to see or catch a reflection? Nowadays, clowns and stupid people are trying to hyip, wow, how they washed and scared the British ... The fools are broadcasting nonsense, and dozens of the same fools jerk off on sofas ... Victory ... great relief ...
  12. NIKN
    NIKN 17 July 2021 20: 59
    -10
    I didn't understand anything ... where is the scope? Some kind of reflection, it is not clear on what ... request
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 17 July 2021 21: 13
      +7
      The sight behind these edges here ... the fairing is like that. And judging by the picture, retractable.
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 17 July 2021 22: 02
        +1
        it does not move anywhere, it is most likely an analogue of the same 360-degree OLS as on a penguin.
      2. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 18 July 2021 10: 20
        -1
        Quote: Wedmak
        The sight behind these edges here ... the fairing is like that. And judging by the picture, retractable.

        Where would he be retractable then? Have you seen a similar one on the F-35? And by the way, those who are familiar with the laws of optics know very well that such a reflection will never be in the sight. Picture from the render to amuse the audience.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 18 July 2021 11: 51
          +2
          Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
          on the F-35

          1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
            Ivanoff_Ivanoff 19 July 2021 08: 48
            -1
            AND? Do you have a target that is a couple of kilometers away reflected in it? wassat Moreover, we look at HOW it is drawn:
            You didn't teach physics at school, did you go to Topvar right away to write posts?
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 19 July 2021 10: 27
              -1
              Quote: Ivanoff_Ivanoff
              You didn't teach physics at school, did you go to Topvar right away to write posts?

              Oh how ... In the photo of the appearance of the F-35 optics, which everyone was talking about,
              received characteristics about myself, about my education and where I went to write ...
              Strongly.
    2. mole
      mole 17 July 2021 21: 35
      -21
      Quote: NIKNN
      I didn't understand anything ... where is the scope? Some kind of reflection, it is not clear on what ... request

      I didn't understand anything either. But the pros and cons rule the show here. Few people are interested in sane questions!
      1. NIKN
        NIKN 17 July 2021 23: 37
        +2
        Quote: Mole
        Quote: NIKNN
        I didn't understand anything ... where is the scope? Some kind of reflection, it is not clear on what ... request

        I didn't understand anything either. But the pros and cons rule the show here. Few people are interested in sane questions!

        This is yes.
    3. Oleg Aviator
      Oleg Aviator 17 July 2021 22: 49
      +11
      You have the shoulder straps of a whole Air Force general) but you did not understand anything).
      1. Charik
        Charik 18 July 2021 18: 25
        0
        it's like about a king: I am a Tsar, I am a Tsar, he shouted, he took off the crown and there the bells are ringing
    4. Charik
      Charik 18 July 2021 07: 29
      0
      See the plane? Look at F35, there is an optical-electronic reconnaissance complex (but this is not accurate), these are very similar pieces of iron.
  13. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 17 July 2021 21: 08
    +5
    New OLS instead of "ball" following the example of F35?
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 17 July 2021 21: 23
      +11
      New OLS instead of "ball" following the example of F35?

      Our troll F-35s are top notch. good
  14. Pico
    Pico 17 July 2021 21: 17
    -42
    Just an image. The British, Turks, Israelis do not hint in the videos, but they constantly destroy Russian equipment. So without cartoons, it is definitely not possible to complete
    1. Pico
      Pico 17 July 2021 21: 27
      -41
      Judging by the cons, it really hurts your eyes wassat
    2. JD1979
      JD1979 17 July 2021 22: 05
      +26
      And the Kurds and Yemenis also do not hint and constantly burn American equipment, so what?
      1. Pico
        Pico 17 July 2021 22: 08
        -32
        We are talking about commercials - hints
      2. Charik
        Charik 18 July 2021 18: 29
        0
        for them it's cartoons, but they themselves are on elastic bands
  15. Mig-41
    Mig-41 17 July 2021 21: 27
    +15
    Englishmen? Israelis? about the Turks, so, by the way, they blew up their flyers, as if hinting
    1. Pico
      Pico 17 July 2021 21: 30
      -26
      In the commercials of Spikes, Bayraktars and others. the targets are Russian military equipment. A sea of ​​videos on YouTube
      1. JD1979
        JD1979 17 July 2021 22: 07
        +17
        Quote: Pico
        In the commercials of Spikes, Bayraktars and others. the targets are Russian military equipment. A sea of ​​videos on YouTube

        And the advertising of Russian and Chinese technology is full of NATO technology, so what? simple practice.
        Pico .. brain?
        1. Pico
          Pico 17 July 2021 22: 19
          -22
          Let me explain the thought: - here is an image of an advertisement with, as they say in the title of the article with a "hint", in Zabugrov's cartoons-advertising direct action (destruction) without any hints understand?
          1. Charik
            Charik 18 July 2021 18: 45
            +1
            your head with long ears-videos of the same KTRV look-complete in your YouTube
        2. Charik
          Charik 18 July 2021 18: 43
          +1
          sedal brain
          1. Pico
            Pico 18 July 2021 18: 50
            -2
            I didn’t drink a woodpecker for brotherhood with you
            1. Charik
              Charik 18 July 2021 19: 57
              +1
              You are a cardboard fool, I see that you came here to powder people's brains with your conjectures, or maybe not your own, maybe someone suggested what to say, wanted to tell you so that you would think with your own head, but realized that there is nothing for you, your swing to receive and give out someone else's well or on your inventions, according to the picture of the conclusions, set up-kill your nonsense
              1. Pico
                Pico 18 July 2021 20: 18
                -2
                I was right after all, a brainless bird.
                Smiled: - "someone suggested." Tell me more curator whispered
                1. Charik
                  Charik 19 July 2021 01: 48
                  +1
                  Maybe your grandfather from the bench at the entrance told you what to write or a friend was sitting next to him drinking beer and helping to make up your guesses, and you are not an ornithologist (bird specialist) by the case that you know that a woodpecker has no brains, which birds do not have a brain yet, tell me well or ask your grandfather, maybe he already knows the model and the series of the bird, well, he learned so purely in secret from the remaining colleagues
  16. Mig-41
    Mig-41 17 July 2021 21: 47
    +13
    Quote: Pico
    In the commercials of Spikes, Bayraktars and others. the targets are Russian military equipment. A sea of ​​videos on YouTube

    almost all the armies of the world have Russian equipment, even in NATO
    1. Pico
      Pico 17 July 2021 22: 06
      -26
      There in the commercials they do not hint, but imply
      1. Charik
        Charik 18 July 2021 18: 51
        0
        and you at least made your own cartoon about Neptune
        1. Pico
          Pico 18 July 2021 18: 55
          -4
          Why, we have footage of real tests.
          Your trials of Zircon I have seen laughing
  17. agoran
    agoran 17 July 2021 22: 16
    +16
    This is not a sight.
    Here's the sight: Russian fighter jets intercept US F-22 Raptor flying over Syria.
  18. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 17 July 2021 22: 46
    +2
    Good news. I hope that this car will be brought to the series and will go to the troops. Oh yeah .... There is a zumwalt, this iron still needs to be added to the sight)
  19. Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 17 July 2021 22: 46
    -27
    I can do the same in Photoshop. For a couple of minutes. Well, if it's a bit longer in 3D. And .... uryakalki - throw cons. Or rather hats! Well, or icons like in 1904
    1. agoran
      agoran 17 July 2021 22: 58
      +5
      In the simulator, try to mark the target.
      And a mouthful of earth.
      Not so simple.
  20. Ruslan Sulima
    Ruslan Sulima 17 July 2021 23: 19
    +6
    Well done!
    They already know how to troll, God forbid you have to beat)
    Otherwise, I will gnaw on the ground with my teeth and gums ...
  21. Alexey Voloshin
    Alexey Voloshin 17 July 2021 23: 22
    -31
    Another military toy for the leader falling into childhood?
    1. AlexG83
      AlexG83 18 July 2021 00: 04
      +24
      Quote: Alexey Voloshin
      Another military toy for the leader falling into childhood?

      Would it be better, as in the nineties, that designers and engineers were selling bows on the side of the roads, for the sake of survival?
    2. Charik
      Charik 18 July 2021 19: 02
      +2
      yes a hoh-chubby stick
  22. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 18 July 2021 00: 32
    +12
    One thing is very pleasing - that for the first time, they managed to keep the intrigue, they didn’t whistle at every corner, that after so much we will have a super duper tax-free single-engine aircraft, spreading its photo even without color and during taxi tests all over the Internet. Didn't you start thinking with your head? This makes me happy. I look forward to the 20th of July in order to look at the new plane, even if it is only a dummy. It seems to me - this is a single-engine reduced version of the SU-57 ...
    1. Grits
      Grits 18 July 2021 02: 08
      0
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      One thing is very pleasing - that for the first time, they managed to keep the intrigue, they didn’t whistle at every corner, that after so much we will have a super duper tax-free single-engine aircraft, spreading its photo even without color and during taxi tests all over the Internet. Didn't you start thinking with your head? This makes me happy. I look forward to the 20th of July in order to look at the new plane, even if it is only a dummy. It seems to me - this is a single-engine reduced version of the SU-57 ...

      I'm also surprised - after all, at first, for several years, they scream all over the place about what a cool device we have conceived and are sculpting. And here - bach - and a new unit. I can’t even believe that it’s new. Therefore, I agree with you that this is a SU-57 with one engine. Short and fat like an American "penguin" - as if copied
  23. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 18 July 2021 01: 21
    +1
    ***
    "I will strictly follow
    I can see everything from above - you just know! "...
    ***
  24. Cypyk
    Cypyk 18 July 2021 03: 21
    -15
    It looks like a Su-57.
    Only a crow's nose.
    Riveted again like the 57th?
    Or will it all be cast?
    This is where the West is interested.
    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
      Sergey Kulikov_3 18 July 2021 11: 03
      +4
      Take the above from a single piece of marble, not a single rivet and joint.
  25. Cypyk
    Cypyk 18 July 2021 03: 24
    -16
    The tail looks like goddamn horns at the back.
    Will they call it - again a gorgon, a lepricon, etc.?
  26. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 18 July 2021 04: 26
    +4
    Nichrome in this I do not understand, but impressive !!! I think to "play pranks" at our borders sharply diminish.
  27. Vasyok
    Vasyok 18 July 2021 05: 21
    -6
    You can show at least horseradish with eggs from the "beautiful far away". What's the point? If we are going to answer, then this should be done here and now, and not 50 years from now. lol
  28. Charik
    Charik 18 July 2021 06: 09
    -13
    Hike another "Tsap-scratch" - as VVP once said, something is somehow similar to the Yusashny complex with F35
    , as I understand it, is this an Optical Electronic System ?, it's cool, I wonder what it can do? Anka Chapman scribbled the campaign from the one who had wider access to the F22-burned well, or got tired of scribbling-home - the business trip is over - and ours make the Su57 very similar to the F22, maybe now we should expect the scribbled from F35 - well, for example, already some kind of new sight, I won't be surprised if a Su or a MIG with a short and vertical take-off and landing roll out, well, we already know how to absorb materials, what else can you scribble? + to this efficient buyers.
  29. Dilettante grandfather
    Dilettante grandfather 18 July 2021 06: 37
    +5
    Quote: Cypyk
    The tail looks like goddamn horns at the back.
    Will they call it - again a gorgon, a lepricon, etc.?

    Neither the gorgon jellyfish nor the leprechaun have horns, somehow ... Yes, and they do not have a tail ... wassat
  30. Andrey1966
    Andrey1966 18 July 2021 07: 11
    +5
    Quote: Xlor
    Personally, it is much more pleasant for me to look at them all through the sight ...
    wink

    You can even kneel down laughing
  31. Dmitriy444
    Dmitriy444 18 July 2021 08: 38
    0
    Russian Light Tactical Aircraft (product "LTS-M") for the Arab order.
    1. Serg89
      Serg89 18 July 2021 09: 58
      +5
      Well, it also does not fit, a different layout is visible under the covers, primarily the air intake nozzles
      1. Ivanoff_Ivanoff
        Ivanoff_Ivanoff 19 July 2021 08: 38
        -2
        Quote: Serg89
        air intake nozzles

        this is a pearl)) The nozzle is where it flows from, the air intake is where it flows))
        Quote: Serg89
        Well, it doesn't fit either

        very much like. The ventral air intake, without a tail unit with a strongly collapsed vertical. OLS, of course, in vain finished drawing and the lantern from the Su-57, but these are trifles - the scheme is generally correct.
  32. Shaman
    Shaman 18 July 2021 10: 29
    +1
    The sight is similar to the melophon from "Guest from the Future".
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  34. Cypyk
    Cypyk 18 July 2021 11: 41
    -1
    They don't try to hint at the Turks?
    It's time to free Idlib from the Turks.
  35. RFR1993Family
    RFR1993Family 18 July 2021 12: 05
    +2
    Russia does not call Britain an enemy YET, but Britain behaves like an enemy!)
  36. Triton 910
    Triton 910 18 July 2021 15: 49
    0
    The only more or less intelligible photo.
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  38. sonce
    sonce 18 July 2021 16: 20
    +2



    three more photos
    1. sergant682
      sergant682 18 July 2021 17: 42
      +1
      IMHO
      frankly disappointed, in comparison with the complex, aesthetic outlines of the Su57 it looks clumsy, the side walls of the air intake are generally vertical, it looks like this is a new phenomenon in stealth technology, although I would like more pictures, angles, 20e is very close.
  39. Charik
    Charik 18 July 2021 18: 41
    0
    Ukrainians here like a farts rushed, everything is translated into cartoons, like a bridge, well, everything else, but they themselves cannot modernize what they have, in short, only the stench or lick from someone else's saucer
  40. Albert Mikhailovich
    Albert Mikhailovich 18 July 2021 19: 18
    0
    There is already a video on YouTube
    1. Albert Mikhailovich
      Albert Mikhailovich 18 July 2021 20: 39
      0
      Interesting in a planned way, dosed leaks from Rostec, about which no one at all knew about the plane ...
    2. Ripap
      Ripap 18 July 2021 22: 33
      0
      Who said there would be a VTOL aircraft. But in fact, it is an ordinary single-engine aircraft. Moreover, unlike the fu-35, the VTOL variant in principle cannot be created due to the location of the air intake, which will not allow the lifting engine to be placed behind the cockpit
      1. 5-55-12
        5-55-12 19 July 2021 00: 17
        0
        You can also VTOL, here's how on this https://topwar.ru/19623-programma-jsf-boing-h32.html
  41. Orkraider
    Orkraider 19 July 2021 00: 24
    0
    So the view from behind came in time))

  42. dub0vitsky
    dub0vitsky 19 July 2021 00: 38
    0
    It would be more impressive if this scope showed the Clyde Naval Base of Her Majesty the Queen of Great Britain.
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  44. Wartop
    Wartop 19 July 2021 12: 27
    0
    https://youtu.be/icDmPKzP8YM
  45. Vasya Santa
    Vasya Santa 20 July 2021 06: 34
    -1
    The prototype scares the serial ship)))
    It's funny))