"Russian Su-57 will not be able to pose a real threat to the United States and NATO" - TNI named the reason

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In the American edition of The National Interest, they touched on the rearmament of the Russian Aerospace Forces with the latest fighters. These are the fifth generation Su-57 fighters. American observer Chris Osborne believes that even after fulfilling the order of the Russian Ministry of Defense for the supply of these fighters to the troops, they will not be able to pose a real threat to the United States and other NATO countries. At the same time, the American observer names the main reason.

According to the author of TNI, the number of Su-57 aircraft in the Russian troops will not be sufficient for the Russian Aerospace Forces to have a real opportunity to oppose the American F-35 in the sky.



From Osborne's article:

The Russian military will not operate enough aircraft to pose any real threat to aviation USA and NATO, unless production is significantly increased. So far, it is planned to purchase 76 such combat aircraft for the needs of the Russian military aviation.

And at the moment, as the American observer states, there is no talk of increasing the production of Su-57 fighters in Russia.

The author notes that Russia is trying to introduce advanced technologies into the Su-57, including the technology of data exchange with shock drones (UAV "Hunter"). But all these technologies will not be able to numerically withstand the F-35 fighters of the Air Force and the US Navy.

Author at TNI:

Simple math: 76 aircraft is much less than 1763 aircraft. And this is exactly the alignment of fifth generation fighters in Russia and the United States. Russia therefore simply does not have enough stealth aircraft Su-57s to challenge the American F-35s.

According to Chris Osborne, in the event of a real battle, F-35 fighters will simply quantitatively cover the area with observation and long-range fire, detecting and destroying enemy aircraft before they themselves are noticed.

In the American press:

Even if the Su-57 were superior to the F-35 technically, the likelihood of which has not yet been determined, the Russian fighters have little chance - there is little chance of opposing all those F-35s that the United States can disperse or combine into a common network with NATO.

Added that in the case of a one-on-one battle, there could be chances, but not in the case of a one-on-one battle.
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    1. +15
      July 17 2021
      According to Chris Osborne, in the event of a real battle, F-35 fighters will simply quantitatively cover the area with observation and long-range fire, detecting and destroying enemy aircraft before they themselves are noticed.
      The recent meeting of the F-35 and Su-30 in the skies over the Baltic, somehow does not confirm these conclusions ...
      1. Maz
        +75
        July 17 2021
        Since they are so crucified to groan the Su-57, it means that the plane is good and very dangerous for them. And we are Russia, we are doing everything right. And they don't fly in their F-35s with 15% of non-working engines.
        1. +33
          July 17 2021
          I have long argued that Mossad has Russian roots ... as if I could not get a slap in the face from them for revealing state secrets ...
          1. +14
            July 17 2021
            I think if you are right, and the name of this venerable organization was born in Russia, then we have a good chance of suing them in courts for using the label and for denigrating the name with unseemly deeds in the world.
            1. +2
              July 17 2021
              will not be sufficient for the Russian Aerospace Forces to have a real opportunity to withstand the American F-35 in the sky.
              It looks in whose sky ...
          2. +5
            July 17 2021
            Quote: aleks neym_2
            I have long argued that Mossad has Russian roots ... as if I could not get a slap in the face from them for revealing state secrets ...

            Like everyone else in Israel.
            1. +6
              July 17 2021
              ) a colorful warrior. on the right side of his belt is a Mauser in a holster?
            2. +1
              July 17 2021
              As our famous humorist used to say, there is no subject from which a Jew would not make a surname for himself. But why did you decide that he is not a naturalized German? Russia in those years (and earlier too) was attractive for the arrival of foreigners, for the venerable positions of Bonn, dance teachers, and the military, too.
            3. +7
              July 17 2021
              belay Oooo, Jewish Cossacks !?
              1. +1
                July 17 2021
                Quote: bayard
                Oooo, Jewish Cossacks !?

                So what? Yes
                Jewish cossacks rebelled
                There was a coup in Birobidzhan.
                1. +3
                  July 18 2021
                  Quote: Vadivak
                  There was a coup in Birobidzhan.

                  "And then our Berdichev wants to borrow, the boil will jump on his stomach"
                  Already brought the old school ...)))
              2. 0
                July 19 2021
                Jewish Cossacks

                And the Jewish Indian Montigomo Invincible Kogan is not surprising?
                1. 0
                  July 19 2021
                  What is there to be surprised at?
                  "You are an Indian, I am a gypsy
                  We are both Jews ... "
                  Imperishable. bully
                2. 0
                  July 19 2021
                  write montya-homo correctly
        2. +25
          July 17 2021
          The level of the author is clear, such a meeting of all penguins for all su-57. In a vacuum and at once. Without air defense and other aircraft. School, vacation
          1. +19
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Mitroha
            School, vacation

            Weed, alcohol ...
            1. +8
              July 17 2021
              And Cocaine was scored, it is very popular there. smile
              1. +9
                July 17 2021
                Quote: Wolf
                And Cocaine was hammered, there he is popular

                Yes, how can we do without him in the "flower of crap"
          2. -26
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Mitroha
            The level of the author is clear, such a meeting of all penguins for all su-57. In a vacuum and at once.

            really nonsense
            F-35 9 was built in the amount of 1500+, in the army and was used more than once in hostilities
            s-57 was not accepted for service.
            nothing to compare and nothing to.
            1. +23
              July 17 2021
              The Su-57 took part in combat operations and launched tactical missiles in Syria. Stop talking about what you don't know.
            2. +10
              July 17 2021
              That's it. SU-57 only one was thrown, a novice, it is forgivable for him, but invisible already over two dozen passed. They are especially good at killing rescue pilots. Reliable. And the number of imperfections recorded in conduits for these airplanes has already exceeded 900. Can you tell me why they carefully remove it from the place where our S-400 complexes appear? Well, not out of fear of opening the world to REAL invisibility, making it impossible to snatch it to allies, while by force, and then through ..... (I will not, respecting the moderator.
            3. 0
              July 17 2021
              Quote: atalef
              Quote: Mitroha
              The level of the author is clear, such a meeting of all penguins for all su-57. In a vacuum and at once.

              really nonsense
              F-35 9 was built in the amount of 1500+, in the army and was used more than once in hostilities
              s-57 was not accepted for service.
              nothing to compare and nothing to.

              Do not blaspheme!
              Buddha with Moses, too, after all, no one who lives has personally seen laughing
              This is faith, May Friend, it does not need facts. In fact, they don't even give a damn about the subject itself. They want to be proud of anything, but you are disturbing them laughing
            4. +5
              July 18 2021
              Where are the 1600 USAF 5th generation fighters based? In North America!
              How many and at what speed can they fly to us? - If a couple dozen from Europe.
              Do we need this God-forsaken country to attack? - Not!
              I guess as long as the cops are kissing the boots of black cam girls, eighty cars will be enough for us.
            5. +1
              July 18 2021
              laughing and someone was blocked on Wikipedia ... to start with the fact that at the moment less than 700 cars have been produced and there are great doubts that the plans to switch to a single f-35 will be canceled, because the car is capricious, expensive and has problems, so the Americans ALREADY announced the purchase of new versions of the F-15 and F-16 .. Yes, in any case there will be more of them than we have, BUT no one talks about a clean meeting of the 35th and 57th .. not to mention that ours will not be limited to purchases only 76 cars)
          3. +10
            July 17 2021
            Why should we go wall to wall? We have enough air defense systems to neutralize their "invisibility" to an acceptable level. We are not chasing quantity, we have already gone through this.
          4. +19
            July 17 2021
            School and holidays for everyone ... The 5th generation aircraft is the main link of the network-centric system, it must provide target designation for other aircraft, remaining unnoticed ... In our case, this is the Su-57 for the Su-35S and for the Su-30SM ... This is such a minivax, or more precisely, a hidden information link on the front line ... And you don't need a lot of such aircraft ... The pi_ndos diligently keep silent about this ... it is stupid to use such an aircraft as an arms carrier or in close maneuver combat on the Su-57, this option is provided, but the "penguin" does not pull ... The paid analysts and fake launchers are cunning ...
            1. +8
              July 17 2021
              Quote: VO3A
              , he must provide target designation for other aircraft, while remaining unnoticed.

              Quote: VO3A
              .. This is such a mini-awk, or, more precisely, a hidden information link at the forefront.

              Very, very interesting ... Does this mean an aircraft made using stealth technology, not giving a damn about her dear, will scamper along the line of contact and shine with its all-range radar "Belka" like a port beacon at night? belay And give target designation to the very multi-conspicuous Su-30SM and Su-35S?
              And what is our interest?
              What is the interest of the opposing side, I just understand. Yes
              So that the most advanced stealthy enemy aircraft flew along the front line and sounded all the bells "I AM HERE !!!" , and the most observable planes attacked the enemy according to his target designation ... what Yes, for such an alignment, both the Pentagon and the CIA will spare no money! bully
              Maybe all the same somehow the other way around? smile
              The same Su-34 with the Sych radar container may loom along the line of contact, And let the subtle Su-57 attack according to its target designation, imperceptibly approaching the enemy at a distance insufficient to detect them, but sufficient to attack enemy aircraft.
              Don't you think it's more logical?
              And even better, so that a full-fledged AWACS aircraft patrolled along the ribbon.
              1. +6
                July 17 2021
                You have a mess in your head ... The main operating mode of the radar is passive for such an aircraft ... If you turn on the radar in active mode, any aircraft is immediately visible by the radiation of the radar ... AWACS does not fly near the ribbon, but very far and is also guarded , and the Su-34 with the container will be immediately overwhelmed ... You have heard enough and seen enough nonsense in Syria about the war with the partisans ... In Syria, tactics of fighting the partisans were practiced, and such a war has nothing to do with a modern war against a real enemy ... What these "backward strategists" are implementing in the army from the experience of Syria, no one knows, and this is not the same experience ... Experience of relocation, logistics, experience of interaction and organization of deployment and supply - "YES"! The experience of modern warfare by conventional means - "NO" ...
                1. +9
                  July 17 2021
                  And what does the experience of the war in Syria have to do with it? Did I stutter about her?
                  Quote: VO3A
                  You have heard and seen enough nonsense in Syria about the war with the partisans ..

                  In the past, I was just a radar specialist, an officer in the combat command of an air defense formation. Already in the distant past. When they taught well and served truly.
                  Quote: VO3A
                  . AWACS does not fly near the ribbon, but very far

                  There will be no sense from him, if "very far" - does not see nifig. A hundred kilometers. from the ribbon, so that the air defense system (which is also not at the front line of the enemy) does not reach, but so that any movement above its orders, even at low altitude, can be seen. And to indicate the goals of the IA.
                  And the passive mode is the passive goal ... request will not see. And if the target emits a signature (altimeter, radio traffic, etc.), then at least two passive reconnaissance aircraft are needed to determine its coordinates. In order to locate the source of radiation using the triangulation method.
                  Do you think in a real combat situation they will conduct active radio traffic?
                  And will not play it safe with a radio altimeter? using a laser altimeter, for example?
                  Remember how all the intelligence of the Pacific Fleet, including satellites and naval aviation, missed the American AUG under the nose of Kamchatka. feel The Americans wandered there for several days and even practiced strikes on the islands of the Kuril ridge ...
                  Whole AUG !!! With two aircraft carriers and full escort !!!
                  Because they strictly observed the radio silence mode.
                  Do you think in the event of a real war they will neglect all these measures?

                  Stealthy fighters must operate in radio silence on external target designation from other sources (AWACS aircraft, UAVs, satellites, RTR, other aircraft), including their active means only at the time of the attack.
                  And therefore, they themselves cannot be a source of target designation.
                  Except for the case described by you with a passive RTR group of aircraft for determining coordinates by a triangulation method.
          5. +3
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Mitroha
            The level of the author is clear, such a meeting of all penguins for all su-57. In a vacuum and at once.

            ========
            That's right: the author tried to present the problem of a "spherical horse in a vacuum"! lol
            The "diagram" below shows a "spherical cow in space" ....
            This is certainly not the same, but somewhere close .....:

            PS "Spherical horse in a vacuum": a sample of scientific humor; Means: something speculative, oversimplified, far from reality
            laughing lol hi
        3. -10
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Maz
          Since they are so crucified to groan the Su-57, it means that the plane is good and very dangerous for them. And we are Russia, we are doing everything right. And they don't fly in their F-35s with 15% of non-working engines.

          Maz still all fly and nothing.
          1. +16
            July 17 2021
            "VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE
            The user who uploaded the video banned him viewing in your country "
            Why did it happen? laughing
            1. -11
              July 17 2021
              Quote: Seryoga64
              "VIDEO NOT AVAILABLE
              The user who uploaded the video banned him viewing in your country "
              Why did it happen? laughing

              Do I know? Maz will be able to see it.
              1. +12
                July 17 2021
                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Do i know

                Then why lay it out?
                1. +5
                  July 17 2021
                  It is unlocked for him, he does not see that we have a restriction.
                  1. +8
                    July 17 2021
                    Greetings! New photos of the new aircraft. wink




                    1. -5
                      July 17 2021
                      Where did you all see a light single-engine aircraft? Judging by the size, something has already gone wrong!
                      1. 0
                        July 17 2021
                        Well, he eats a single engine. And in comparison with the SU-35 and SU-30 it is light, isn't it?
                      2. +4
                        July 17 2021
                        Where did you all see a light single-engine aircraft?

                        Personally, I hope for a VTOL aircraft. hi
                        1. +2
                          July 17 2021
                          You are hoping for nothing! This is an ordinary single-engine aircraft ... and, most likely, the 5th generation with all the bells and whistles ...
                        2. +1
                          July 17 2021
                          It does not interfere
                        3. +2
                          July 17 2021
                          Most likely it is. In any case, with such a (Product-30) engine, it is not a sin to portray a VTOL aircraft.
                          And if this is true, then the plans and talk about "light" aircraft carriers are beginning to play with new colors.
                        4. 0
                          July 18 2021
                          Quote: Alex777
                          Personally, I hope for a VTOL aircraft

                          And from what hu, Torah?
                      3. +2
                        July 17 2021
                        Quote: VO3A
                        Where did you all see a light single-engine aircraft?

                        =======
                        Are you completely blind?

                        Or are you cleverly pretending?
                        --------
                        Quote: VO3A
                        Judging by the size, something has already gone wrong!

                        ========
                        What exactly? Judging by the size, this is something close to the MiG-29!
                        Here are the people near the MiG-29:

                        And here - against the background of the "new plane":
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                    3. +4
                      July 17 2021
                      Quote: Alex777
                      Greetings! New photos of the new aircraft. wink

                      ========
                      This is of course "off topic", but still: good drinks hi
                      1. +2
                        July 17 2021
                        drinks Definitely!
                    4. +1
                      July 17 2021
                      Quote: Alex777
                      New photos of the new aircraft

                      So already laid out yesterday.
                      Intrigued.
                    5. +1
                      July 17 2021
                      Greetings, Alexander! drinks This is beauty! I sit quietly at the dacha near Kubinka, listen to the flyers train in front of MAKS and wait for myself satisfied, I wait laughing
                      1. +2
                        July 17 2021
                        Then we look forward to hearing from you! drinks
                    6. +1
                      July 17 2021
                      Meanwhile, Rostec once again demonstrates its skill in humor, posted something interesting wink
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                    8. +1
                      July 17 2021

                      Judging by the shape of the air intake - MIG-41
                      Everybody rolls out layouts, why is Russia worse? Or maybe not a layout anymore?
                      Stealth type MIG-21 good
                      1. +1
                        July 17 2021
                        We will wait 3 days.
                        But the helicopter in the video, IMHO, hints at the VTOL aircraft. wink
                    9. +1
                      July 17 2021
                      Interesting photo comparison.
                      1. 0
                        July 17 2021
                        You have made a beautiful selection! good
                        I repeat myself, but the resemblance to the F-35 hints at a VTOL aircraft. IMHO.
                      2. +1
                        July 18 2021
                        You do not understand, this is different!
                        Ours is fundamentally different!
                    10. 0
                      July 18 2021
                      Now we are waiting, what was meant by a fundamentally new one.
                2. -6
                  July 17 2021
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Do i know

                  Then why lay it out?

                  So how did I know this video is closed to you?
                  1. +6
                    July 17 2021
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    So how did I know this video is closed to you?

                    So I said in the first comment about it.
                    1. -3
                      July 17 2021
                      Quote: Seryoga64
                      Quote: Aron Zaavi
                      So how did I know this video is closed to you?

                      So I said in the first comment about it.

                      Well, I couldn't know about it before your comment.
                      1. +5
                        July 17 2021
                        Quote: Aron Zaavi
                        Well, I couldn't know about it before your comment.

                        So did I have any claims?
                        I just asked a question
        4. -13
          July 17 2021
          Since they are so crucified to groan the Su-57, it means that the plane is good and very dangerous for them.

          laughing You said and immediately added your contribution to the piggy banks of the F-35:
          And they don't fly in their F-35s with 15% of non-working engines.

          So the F-35 is good and very dangerous for you! winked
          1. +7
            July 17 2021
            hmm ... are you a Bulgarian Jew, or a Jewish Bulgarian?
            This is a rhetorical question, you don't have to answer ...
            1. 0
              July 17 2021
              hmm ... are you a Bulgarian Jew, or a Jewish Bulgarian?

              I am a normal person. And what a problem you have, yes, it’s so bad for nationalities, here is the topic of airplanes! laughing
              1. +3
                July 17 2021
                Quote: pytar
                I'm a normal person

                Is a Jew crazy in your opinion? Well, you know! It's outrageous
                1. +2
                  July 17 2021
                  Is a Jew crazy in your opinion? Well, you know! It's outrageous

                  Ha! Why are you attributing this nonsense to me? Listen! Normality does not depend on nationality! There are good people, good-quality people in all nationalities, just as there are bad people ... Outrageous is not mine, but the statement of the not-so-kind Vadim:
                  Dart (Vadim) hmm ... are you a Bulgarian Jew, or a Jewish Bulgarian?
          2. 0
            July 17 2021
            Quote: pytar
            read the F-35 is good and very dangerous for you!

            Yes! This same defector in the F-35 can fall on something important on our territory at any moment. Have to shoot down right away
        5. -1
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Maz
          moan the Su-57,

          Something smelled in TNI belay
          Personally, in the light of recent events with engines for the F-35, I lobbied for a complete remorting. It is a pity that I have no access to the Congress and the Senate. If anyone has, please direct them in the right direction.
        6. 0
          July 18 2021
          Quote: Maz
          Since they are so crucified to groan the Su-57, it means that the plane is good and very dangerous for them.

          Hmm, if we criticize the F-35 so diligently, does that mean that it is also good and very dangerous for us? Or does it only work in the wrong direction? Who is right, who to believe, in which direction to turn the sofa?
          1. 0
            July 19 2021
            Or does it only work in the wrong direction?

            Pointless question
            Who is right, who to believe,

            What language do you think and write
            You always need to support only your nation
            1. 0
              July 20 2021
              Quote: Santa Fe
              What language do you think and write
              You always need to support only your nation

              And I'm not talking about this aspect. I just want to have the fullest possible understanding of the real state of affairs. As in sports - yes, we are desperately rooting for ours, "We will defeat everyone" and so on, but at the same time we would still like to objectively assess the strengths and weaknesses (ours and the enemy).
              1. 0
                July 20 2021
                I just want to have the fullest possible understanding of the real state of affairs.

                It is enough for the population to know that they are the best
                but at the same time objectively assess the strengths and weaknesses

                Objectivity is not needed, benefits from any situation are needed
                1. 0
                  July 20 2021
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  It is enough for the population to know that they are the best

                  Enough for you, not for me: I prefer the confidence in my own superiority to be based on something.
                  Quote: Santa Fe
                  Objectivity is not needed, benefits from any situation are needed

                  I understand the benefits of officials who blame "theirs" and praise "ours". But she doesn't interest me.
                  1. 0
                    July 20 2021
                    Enough for you, not for me: I prefer the confidence in my own superiority to be based on something.

                    Luckily, your opinion won't change anything here.

                    Information about the state of affairs in the military sphere will never be disclosed to the population
      2. +5
        July 17 2021
        The meeting over the Baltic is just a confirmation of the "one-on-one" principle, and the striped ones are going to win in numbers ... let the experts express their opinion.
        1. +13
          July 17 2021
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          and the striped ones are going to win in numbers ... let the specialists express their opinion.

          Only the SU-57 will be lifted into the air, and the rest of the planes will watch all this from the ground? Strange logic ...
          Where did the figure 1763 come from? The total number of Nata issued or already in service? If it is common, then let them subtract what will remain in any situation behind a puddle
          1. +4
            July 17 2021
            There's nothing to rub here. The author speaks of a serious collision.
            In a serious collision, they will have to face off with warheads, not aircraft.
            And for operations like the Syrian, the number of aircraft that we have and are planned to build is enough. hi
            1. +4
              July 17 2021
              Quote: Alex777
              The author speaks of a serious collision.

              author -> author -> the author is exactly what he is talking about
              According to Chris Osborne, in the event of a real battle, F-35 fighters will simply quantitatively cover the area with observation and long-range fire, detecting and destroying enemy aircraft before they themselves are noticed.

              hi
          2. 0
            July 17 2021
            Where did the figure 1763 come from?

            This is the total number of fifth generation aircraft that will be according to plan in the United States by the time we have 78 Su-57 aircraft according to plan.
            Now we have one Su 57 in the Aerospace Forces. There are 220 F22s and almost 600 F-35s in the USA. The total number of F 35 ordered by the Americans themselves is 2443 pieces, and considering that 2020 F 140 were produced in 35 and the production rate continues to increase by 2030, they will have more than 1500 F35.
            In our reality, when delivery times are always missed, by the time 76 Su-57s are produced in our country, the total number of fifth-generation aircraft will most likely be over 2 thousand.
            1. +2
              July 17 2021
              Quote: ramzay21
              In the USA there are 220 F22 units and almost 600 F-35 units.

              Thank you very much, but they already told me everything. I just thought that even now they will lift all 1700 into the air
              1. +1
                July 17 2021
                I just thought that even now they will lift all 1700 into the air

                Of course not! Speech is in the article about the times when we will have 76 Su 57.
                1. +3
                  July 17 2021
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  Speech is in the article about the times when we will have 76 Su 57.

                  I already understood Yes
                  Well let them wait laughing
            2. 0
              July 17 2021
              Quote: ramzay21
              In the USA there are 220 F22 units and almost 600 F-35 units.

              Overkill. In total, there are 22 serial F-187s, in combat units there are now about 160 units. 35 F-665s were produced at the beginning of July, about a third went to the Allies.
            3. +1
              July 17 2021
              Ф 22, 186 pieces in total. I added something a little, why not 500?
        2. +12
          July 17 2021
          Aren't the days of the musketeers gone yet, and the principles of "one-on-one" will be carried out only in collisions of fighters, and the rest will be just seconds in the get-together? We adhere to another principle - "Kohl went to such a booze - cut the last cucumber!"
      3. 0
        July 17 2021
        Quote: svp67
        The recent meeting of the F-35 and Su-30 in the skies over the Baltic, somehow does not confirm these conclusions ...

        What did you want to say specifically?
        Was there a dogfight? Or were they just flying nearby?
        What exactly happened to draw any conclusions?
        1. +6
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Bez 310
          Or were they just flying nearby?

          Tic-tac-toe was played and scattered
        2. 0
          July 17 2021
          What do you, as a specialist, think about the F-35? It is clear that not your profile, but still.
          1. +3
            July 17 2021
            Quote: ramzay21
            What do you, as a specialist, think about the F-35?

            This is a question for whom?
            If I am, then we know little for certain about this aircraft, but we do not have such an aircraft, and most likely never will. I am amazed at its versatility and electronic filling.
            1. +1
              July 17 2021
              This is a question for whom?

              To you, of course. Thanks for the answer! I absolutely agree with you.
      4. +16
        July 17 2021
        Quote: svp67
        According to Chris Osborne, in the event of a real battle, F-35 fighters will simply quantitatively cover the area with observation and long-range fire, detecting and destroying enemy aircraft before they themselves are noticed.
        The recent meeting of the F-35 and Su-30 in the skies over the Baltic, somehow does not confirm these conclusions ...

        Statistics in the United States itself do not support these findings.
        1. Rotting body and spars.
        2. Not being able to use the afterburner for more than 3 minutes, due to the separation of the radio-absorbing layer in the fuselage stern from the body.
        3. New, not calculated-fast degradation of the protective layer of the turbine blades and, consequently, wear of the blades and a small resource.
        4. AMRAAM medium-range missiles do not fit into the inner fuselage compartment, but it is possible to hang them only under the wing consoles. And this is goodbye to the reduced ESR and it will glow like an F-16 on the radar screens.
        I am sure that if you still rummage in their periodicals, you can dig up a lot.
        1. -16
          July 17 2021
          Quote: letinant
          I am sure that if you still rummage in their periodicals, you can dig up a lot.

          paper suffers.
          1. +7
            July 17 2021
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: letinant
            I am sure that if you still rummage in their periodicals, you can dig up a lot.

            paper suffers.

            And the planes are at the sites or in the fuel cell.
            1. 0
              July 18 2021
              Everything in Russia is safe until it fires. As long as he is on earth, do not be afraid of him. And if it takes off, it won't find anyone, it's invisible, like an invisible man.
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      6. +1
        July 17 2021
        Blessed are those who believe, but this does not apply to the Anglo-Saxons, hell awaits them for their love, because they are its indigenous inhabitants laughing
        1. -9
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Finches
          Blessed are those who believe, but this does not apply to the Anglo-Saxons, hell awaits them for their love, because they are its indigenous inhabitants laughing


          It is a paradise!

          And this is hell.
          PS Look, don't mix it up!
          1. +5
            July 17 2021
            In the first photo you can feel the soulfulness, human naturalness and God's grace, you can hear the play of accordion - a heavenly place, and in the second photo there is a popular artificiality of consumption and pragmatism, where there is not even a drop of spirituality - everything is on display, in the rigid framework of the underworld and you can hear the screams of people who are being fought by the devils in the ass! Hell, he is Hell! Look not to be confused, however, if you like it when they kick in the ass ... laughing
            1. -2
              July 17 2021
              Indeed, the toilet in the house is from a lack of spirituality. And a bathroom with a shower is a popular art. And if there are two toilets and bathrooms, then this is generally a terrible sin of consumerism.
              Whether it is a plank toilet in the courtyard with a cesspool under it. There is so much of this spirituality that sometimes you can't breathe.
              And yes, sidewalks and asphalt are also from the evil one.
              hear the screams of people who the devils kick in the ass!

              No, your cat is asking for food. Feed the cat.
              1. +2
                July 17 2021
                Are you writing from hell or are you just dreaming of selling your homeland at a higher price? laughing
                1. -5
                  July 17 2021
                  Quote: Finches
                  Are you writing from hell or are you just dreaming of selling your homeland at a higher price? laughing

                  Are you okay?
                  1. +1
                    July 17 2021
                    With me yes, and with you? Or is the Motherland publicly and not only to pour mud, is it an indicator of mental health?
                    1. -5
                      July 17 2021
                      "I would be glad to serve,
                      It's sickening to serve ... "
                      But some people are not sick, I look. Something has gone thickly on the site lately, it can be seen for the elections (popular sign laughing )
                      Publicly and not only to water the motherland with mud,

                      So it’s okay to blurt out that the African $ 250 income level is “middle class”. And to say that this is actually poverty, and not the middle class - is it "pouring mud"? You probably like it more like this?
                      1. 0
                        July 17 2021
                        I have been on the site for 7 years, and you seem to be 2-and what does the election have to do with it?
                        1. -1
                          July 17 2021
                          Well, I didn't mean you specifically. By the way, I have already been 3 years old. And before that, I was under a different nickname for a couple of years. Nevermind.
                          I just see some kind of exacerbation of inadequacy lately. When people write that 70 versus one and a half thousand, this is somehow not enough, to put it mildly, but they are desperately minus for this - is this normal in your opinion?
                      2. -1
                        July 17 2021
                        This is not a scale, small things hawala?
                        1. -1
                          July 17 2021
                          The question was for Beringovsky, what is the last name?
                        2. -2
                          July 17 2021
                          And although such people are probably interested in Russian garbage cans, breathe there Berezovsky, ugh forgot Berengovsky.
                        3. -2
                          July 17 2021
                          Olginsky troll? The site was not mistaken for the sick one? It is not accepted here, this is not an INO for you.
                        4. -1
                          July 17 2021
                          Do not worry, you, in essence, are uuuh with your RAIKH opportunities. You don't even let people sleep? And as is customary, exactly here and now?
                          By the way, poking is not accepted by strangers. Do not be so nervous, you have already thrown the word for the Raihsky west, so we are waiting.
                          And what about our health, what do you think? About "key", they love it so much in PARADISE? What do I wish for you, but to what extent are my health?
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          2. +9
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Beringovsky
            Quote: Finches
            Blessed are those who believe, but this does not apply to the Anglo-Saxons, hell awaits them for their love, because they are its indigenous inhabitants laughing


            It is a paradise!

            And this is hell.
            PS Look, don't mix it up!

            this is paradise:

            but this is HELL:

            do not mix it up.
            1. -6
              July 17 2021
              Here, they have unemployed blacks in the most disadvantaged places as they live like our workers. Although no, unemployed blacks live better than the Russian middle class, if not completely lost drugs.
              How much is the income of the middle class in Russia? Putin said 17 thousand, i.e. $ 250. In the states, unemployment benefits are five times higher.
              1. +2
                July 17 2021
                Here, they have unemployed blacks in the most disadvantaged places as they live like our workers.

                How long have you lived in the States to talk about them?
                1. -8
                  July 17 2021
                  How long have you lived? Or other local Russian butt advocates? What then are we talking about?
                  1. +3
                    July 17 2021
                    How long have you lived? Or other local Russian butt advocates? What then are we talking about?

                    I have lived in the States for 9 years. Then he returned.
                    He trained his daughter there to be an architect in New York.
                    I can just reason about what is there and how. wink
                    1. -8
                      July 17 2021
                      And what, where you lived every day, gays danced in round dances right under your window? I once asked my niece about this, for 7 years of their life in Canada she and her husband have never seen gay parades, although they probably did not try. Yes, of course they have problems, for example, I was unpleasantly surprised by the rudeness on the roads, to be honest I did not expect. Well, not only that, but specifically gays didn’t bother me. And New York is a separate song altogether.
                      1. +4
                        July 17 2021
                        And what, where you lived every day, gays danced in round dances right under your window?

                        When the Board of Directors is elected not for knowledge, but for the inclinations to unconventional sex - this is the beginning of the end.
                        IMHO.
                        I once asked my niece about this, for 7 years of their life in Canada she and her husband have never seen gay parades, although they probably did not try.

                        lol
                        How much is the income of the middle class in Russia? Putin said 17 thousand, i.e. $ 250. In the states, unemployment benefits are five times higher.

                        Remind me of the benefit in the States. laughing
          3. +5
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Beringovsky
            ... Look, don't mix it up!

            Yes, you can't confuse this


          4. +3
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Beringovsky
            Quote: Finches
            Blessed are those who believe, but this does not apply to the Anglo-Saxons, hell awaits them for their love, because they are its indigenous inhabitants laughing


            It is a paradise!

            And this is hell.
            PS Look, don't mix it up!

            ==============
            He who seeks is the one there is no! And here is for you, my dear, and vice versa:
            And this is also "paradise" (in Los Angeles):

            but this is "hell" (in Krasnodar)


            PS As you can see, EVERYTHING can be found on the Internet .....
            1. +2
              July 17 2021
              Vladimir, I'm too lazy to insert pictures, show Beringovsky the scale of the West, the gay parades of the dovecote, the icon of the West, this is his paradise, and let him find hell and such a scale of rainbow parades in the Russian Federation. So let them paradise, in their sodom and omer, this is their PARADISE. And we will somehow live in all "hell", there is no need to worry about us. The dovecote will soon put their fools in a pose, and they rejoice in their paradise, they will soon take x-th to work without a "gay passport".
              1. -1
                July 17 2021
                Moreover, even when applying for a job in the West, they will soon demand a "marriage certificate" in the blessed booths of PARADISE, so they can easily give a hell of a ride. WESTERN PARADISE he is, slightly blue and with a pink tint.
                1. -1
                  July 17 2021
                  And real estate is a trifle, in Raih, it doesn't count, there are different criteria.
              2. -3
                July 17 2021
                Leave your tales to propagandists from federal channels.
                We have a huge number of our people living there. I personally have my wife's niece and her husband in Canada, the second in Germany, we both communicate on Facebook, our neighbors have a son in the States. In general, many of my acquaintances have children living there. And here you are trying to sniff us a nightingale-jelly crap. By the way, my niece and her husband were recently, they came to visit a couple of times, frankly laughed at our news - what kind of nonsense they are pushing you here?
                1. +1
                  July 17 2021
                  Yes, I do not care who you live there. By the way, I have never minus you, so do NOT be trifles, minuses, you won’t hook .. Count my relatives, who lives there, can you?
                  And why do you boast of your foreign relatives? I myself am a Russian German. Ask yourself a question, who is interested?
                  1. +1
                    July 17 2021
                    Well, my mother grew up in a semi-German family, so what? I myself am 85 percent Russian by blood, but purely Russian in intellect. And I served the military as expected, without any protégés.
                    1. -3
                      July 17 2021
                      Don't be rude, lad ... laughing
                      Nobody boasts here, opinions (and information) are exchanged here. Communicate, so to speak.
                      And we have a TV set for propaganda rubbish.
                      1. +1
                        July 17 2021
                        You are rude, with your little boy aplomb. And why did you suddenly switch to you earlier? Who gave you permission, what boor poking? Well, the report is complete, with a report, and with an apology. I'm waiting.
                        And I just watch a little TV. And what I watch, you do not know on the Raihskie paths, you have your own icons. And the fact that you have garbage in the form of a TV set is your problem. Do you have friendship with your previously shown garbage? Orginal you however.
                        1. -3
                          July 17 2021
                          Quote: Pamir
                          You are rude, with your little boy aplomb. And why did you suddenly switch to you earlier? Who gave you permission, what boor poking? Well, the report is complete, with a report, and with an apology. I'm waiting.
                          And I just watch a little TV.

                          I see you don't read much books ...
                          what is there ... wassat
                          Enough for today
                        2. 0
                          July 17 2021
                          I agree, your right, let us disperse with the world and will not be rancorous. I also do not intend to conflict. By the way, you are mistaken, I read a lot, and I am NOT fond of fantasy, and there is so much reading that is probably to the detriment of my eyesight. I take it back, consider that it is not.
          5. +1
            July 18 2021
            in Russia, 95% have their own housing, and only 55% of Americans have, and then 8% of them are mobile homes, in fact, a doghouse of the same size ((((poor Americans, more than half of the population lives in poverty
        2. -5
          July 17 2021
          And why do our rich people live not in our paradise, but in their hell?
          1. +1
            July 17 2021
            Let them live, I am not responsible for them! Perhaps you sold your soul to the devil, it happens!
      7. -2
        July 17 2021
        Was there a fight?
      8. -1
        July 17 2021
        Quote: svp67
        The recent meeting of the F-35 and Su-30 in the skies over the Baltic, somehow does not confirm these conclusions ...

        how did this meeting end? and what it does not confirm | refutes - I love the truth but do not ring
        just in case - my Motherland is the USSR (RF)
      9. -1
        July 18 2021
        hypothetically, it is still possible to assume that one su57 will shoot down 500 pieces of NATO, but we do not have one.
      10. 0
        July 19 2021
        1763 aircraft have mattresses scattered across the globe. If ours play on the defensive in a team with echeloned air defense + electronic warfare means)
    2. +11
      July 17 2021
      The author is right but only in quantitative terms. But the SU-57 is not the only fighter in Russia. Like the US and NATO, there are many other fighter models. Not to mention dozens of other factors and situations.
      1. +1
        July 17 2021
        Quote: TatarinSSSR
        Like the US and NATO, there are many other fighter models.

    3. +12
      July 17 2021
      In the control zone of our air defense with ground-based air defense systems, the penguin is not a tenant, like we are over NATO territory. And after the exchange of nuclear strikes, we are fighting as in that joke: Vasily Ivanovich: Petka instruments? Petka: Vasily Ivanovich 40 Vasily Ivanovich: Petka, why 40?
      1. -17
        July 17 2021
        Quote: tralflot1832
        In the control zone of our air defense with ground-based air defense systems, the penguin is not a tenant

        why did you decide so?
        1. +6
          July 17 2021
          We have not fought the C400 yet, so we test each other.
        2. +19
          July 17 2021
          Quote: atalef
          Quote: tralflot1832
          In the control zone of our air defense with ground-based air defense systems, the penguin is not a tenant

          why did you decide so?

          And why did you decide that the F-35 will open the Russian echeloned defense: S-400, s-350, Buk-m3, Pantsir. Plus all types of ground tracking stations.
          By your logic, you can take dominance over Moscow on the F-35 already laughing
          But there are no volunteers laughing
          1. -13
            July 17 2021
            In the recent war over Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis opened such a "defense" with a bang with the help of Turkish and Israeli drones. They were smashed to smithereens, even aviation was not needed.
            1. +1
              July 17 2021
              Quote: Beringovsky
              In the recent war over Karabakh, the Azerbaijanis opened such a "defense" with a bang with the help of Turkish and Israeli drones. They were smashed to smithereens, even aviation was not needed.

              Yes? And how then did Azerbaijan officially recognize [quote] [/ quote] Nagorno-Karabakh in the period from September to November 2020. In a month and a half of fighting, 2783 soldiers of the country's army were killed.

              More than 100 servicemen are missing. 1245 soldiers were wounded and are being treated in hospitals.
              The human and material potentials of the parties are not comparable. And the bairakiars, in general, were supposed to provide an easy walk. What do you think went wrong?
              Fortunately, Russia stopped this mutual destruction
              1. -3
                July 17 2021
                Stopped, alas, not Russia. Azerbaijan itself stopped, in fact, taking Karabakh back from the Armenians. What they wanted to do, they did, so it made no sense for them to continue the war. And our position is well characterized by the proverb "wave your fists after a fight." To tell the truth, we have not helped Armenia with anything, in fact.
                And yes, the conversation is not about general losses, but about the complete defeat of the Armenian air defense by the end of hostilities. By the way, Russian-made air defense systems.
                1. 0
                  July 18 2021
                  Azerbaijan itself has stopped

                  Yeah, and the Banderlog themselves stopped the offensive of the Russian army laughing
        3. D16
          +8
          July 17 2021
          Probably because of the C400 in Turkey, the Americans invented the engine only because of antipathies to Erdogan lol
    4. +10
      July 17 2021
      We'll wait and see, but for now - grind Emelya your week.
      1. +8
        July 17 2021
        Quote: Ros 56
        We'll wait and see, but for now - grind Emelya your week.

        I don’t understand where the figure 1700 came from? request
        From internet
        To date, 490 F-35 aircraft are in operation around the world, which have already flown more than 240 thousand hours. 975 pilots and 8585 ground personnel were trained. In four operators, F-35s took part in hostilities [meaning the US Air Force and Marine Corps, the British Air Force and the Israel Air Force - BMPD].
        1. +2
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Seryoga64
          I don’t understand where the figure 1700 came from?


          This is the plan to release the F-35. As well as 76 Su-57.
          Now there are 2 serial Su-57s against 187 F-22s and 665+ F-35s.
          1. +4
            July 17 2021
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            This is the plan for the release of the F-35.

            I get it now. And then he got carried away.
            They still need to be released. Yes, for a flying marriage, and an airplane
            letinant (alexey)
            Today, 11: 50
            NEW

            Statistics in the United States itself do not support these findings.
            1. Rotting body and spars.
            2. Not being able to use the afterburner for more than 3 minutes, due to the separation of the radio-absorbing layer in the fuselage stern from the body.
            3. New, not calculated-fast degradation of the protective layer of the turbine blades and, consequently, wear of the blades and a small resource.
            4. AMRAAM medium-range missiles do not fit into the inner fuselage compartment, but it is possible to hang them only under the wing consoles. And this is goodbye to the reduced ESR and it will glow like an F-16 on the radar screens.
            I am sure that if you still rummage in their periodicals, you can dig up a lot.
    5. +6
      July 17 2021
      The United States, invading countries with a much smaller level of aviation and air defense, managed to lose dozens of aircraft, helicopters and UAVs. But it’s not just one issue: the cost of one F35A is about $ 80 million .... are they ready to lose 10 (-800 million dollars) or 20 (-1600 million dollars) of such aircraft per day or week? Su-57 costs about 30 million dollars.
      1. -11
        July 17 2021
        Quote: Wedmak
        The United States, invading countries with a much smaller level of aviation and air defense, managed to lose dozens of aircraft, helicopters and UAVs.

        where and when ?
        Quote: Wedmak
        But it’s not just one issue: the cost of one F35A is about $ 80 million .... are they ready to lose 10 (-800 million dollars) or 20 (-1600 million dollars) of such aircraft per day or week? Su-57 costs about 30 million dollars.

        country arithmetic.
        1. +3
          July 17 2021
          Everything is not so with you and not so, if not in favor of the West. Take the trouble to get into Google yourself.
    6. +11
      July 17 2021
      The antithesis of A.V Suvorov is to fight not by skill, but by number.
      For some reason, the Chinese "invisible" are not considered rivals.
    7. +9
      July 17 2021
      The American is right - we are potentially lagging further and further behind NATO in conventional armament and in the number of modern aircraft. However, we will not eliminate this lag - unless we prioritize the economy, its growth and development, the improvement of the legislative framework, a consistent transition from the export of raw materials to the export of materials based on raw materials, and then products based on materials, etc.
      1. ada
        +4
        July 17 2021
        Knell Wardenheart (Knell)

        [quote] However, we will not eliminate this lag-unless we put the economy, its growth and development, improvement of the legislative framework, a gradual transition from the export of raw materials to the export of materials based on raw materials, and then products based on materials, etc., at the forefront. quote]

        I apologize, but I did not understand - how is this possible and who will make efforts to this? Who are these "We"? If it's not difficult - share your thought.
        1. 0
          July 17 2021
          The state as an entity and organizing force and generalized multinationality as an active force.
          The point is that our race with the West in any area is doomed to a fiasco without a large-scale structural modernization, which ensures at least a progressive increase in parameters that exceeds Western growth in analogies. We need to combine the creation of an economy for the production of a high-tech product and highly competitive broad-based services with consistent expansionism in all the post-Soviet space available to us and a number of other friendly states with convenient logistics. Only by ensuring the production of a competitive, substitute product on a wide front - we will save ourselves from economic dependence on the West or the East, simultaneously sharpening our own economy both for large-scale and high-quality production, and for high taxes and fees without prejudice to producers - both are necessary for our defense industry, because we are losing the ability to do quickly, cheaply and we are chronically lacking funding to maintain a balanced Armed Forces.
          1. +4
            July 17 2021
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            because we are losing the ability to do it quickly, cheaply and we are chronically lacking in funding

            ===
            there are reasons for this: lack of work culture, discipline, theft. but the funds are rather sufficient, but it is scary to give, and there is no one to master
            1. +2
              July 17 2021
              Theoretically, there are enough funds for production, but for the totality of pre-production activities - the development and improvement of a complex of modern or advanced equipment, computing power, composites, a sufficiently high-quality study of long-term technical solutions and deepening unification between different products in order to reduce costs and facilitate modernization - that's it. the funds are already insufficient, and not even the funds themselves, but the opportunities to maintain a horde of people who will pore over all this day and night, getting a good salary, improving competencies, replacing and passing on the experience of generations, etc. In terms of the depth of R&D, we lagged behind during the Soviet era, but now it is just gloom - our market does not allow us to have the same radio-electronic industry competing with the West-East, we are also inferior in chemistry, and so on .. all this we can afford only if we have not just a lot of money, but if we have it CONVENIENT to organize and conduct such activities, if the state will contribute to this.
          2. ada
            +3
            July 17 2021
            Interesting. What kind of leader, in your opinion, can create such a movement and on what mass of the population can he rely, what ideological platform must be formed in order for the statements about our SU-57s to change?
            1. +3
              July 17 2021
              The times of "leaders" have passed, due to the extreme stratification of our population, it is also hardly possible to rely on some kind of elected masses. I see only one ideological platform and the key to all this - the nation should want to LIVE WELL, full, with fat, with freedom of activity and clear laws that do not interfere with profitable and understandable activities. All this is possible in the context of certain measures, such as the designation of a more intelligible and more localized targeted foreign policy, updating trade and economic agreements with allies in favor of greater clarity and obedience to simple and understandable rules, putting things in order in the field of external loans and borrowings, forming a preliminary the appearance of a number of the largest and long-term national construction, industrial and logistics projects, with the involvement of internal funds for their implementation, in the form of corporatization between the population. A systematic decrease in the inflow of migrants, and the transfer of their bulk to agricultural activities. Drawing up a "road map" for the processing of exported raw materials within the country into products, working out these plans with "European partners" and other states with which we have a significant resource segment.
              Organization of maximum information and legal support of the state in the areas of business creation, study of the domestic market in order to create a business, study of trends in education in the near-medium term, etc. In principle, the reorientation of the state media towards useful information and coverage of facts, from the hellish shalman that they are now.
              Generally speaking, this is a topic for a separate article and not for comment, I sometimes want to raise this topic here - it only stops a healthy understanding that nothing will change from this. The system is moving in a completely different, reflective direction, society is drugged by the lack of a clear picture of the scale of decline.
              1. ada
                +1
                July 17 2021
                I hope that you will not abandon the idea of ​​such an article and prepare a publication, it seems to me that it will not only be interesting, but useful and have practical application for the formation of thinking or conscious actions of some part of interested people, albeit insignificant and thinking to some extent differently.
                Yes, physiology and biomechanics do not allow living and working intensively "full of fat" (only on stimulants and supplements until the central nervous system or endocrine system fails, which was not previously known), therefore the "course" of the people will still have to be kept with "a slight feeling of hunger ", which in my opinion has always helped.
                About the media, definitely and not only the SES! For some, it already replaces the education system ... To the media, I would also add GOSULUGI, open electronic (albeit duplicated with paper) voting of the main elective positions, their reporting with mandatory criminal prosecution following elections or referendums, determining further admission to power.
                Everything else is very pragmatic and interesting.
                Well, commercial banks will still have to be killed - without eliminating the property of a "commodity" for money in our territory, all other actions are useless.
                I will be waiting for your article.
            2. 0
              July 19 2021
              Quote: ada
              That's interesting. What kind of leader, in your opinion, can create such a movement and on what mass of the population can it rely, what ideological platform must be formed in order for the statements about our SU-57 to change?

              ===
              with a weighty cudgel, and more authentic, taking into account the vastness and our Russian-Asian mentality. however, the time is not the same, the west is not asleep. )
    8. HAM
      +3
      July 17 2021
      Something this Osborne moved on to the topic: "we'll throw our hats" ", although a few days ago they were crying that they could not cope with an equal opponent of the state air force ...
      see the article: "American Edition: The US Armed Forces Are Not Capable of Fighting an Equal Adversary."
    9. +21
      July 17 2021
      Why does the Russian Federation need 1700 of these aircraft? Russia is not going to conquer the whole world yet.
    10. YOU
      +12
      July 17 2021
      The previous article says that it is not yet able to catch up with Russia in terms of electronic warfare. And here flocks of penguins will fight with impunity only with the SU-57. Some kind of one-sided experts. Will have to fight with the air defense of Russia, with all its capabilities. And the struggle for air superiority is best solved by destroying aircraft on the ground, as well as the airfields themselves.
    11. +5
      July 17 2021
      Chris Osborne thinks his "G" always smells like raspberries.
    12. -8
      July 17 2021
      Surprisingly naive people, these Americans. The simplest and obvious option is that no su-57 will ever be made more than a couple of dozen (like the same armature or hangar launch vehicle), they do not even include in consideration
    13. +10
      July 17 2021
      Chris Osborne (TNI) earned a ticket to the US Army as a highly qualified propagandist, writing exclusively articles on the superiority of the US and NATO over Russia.
      Russia is gradually spinning the wheel of rearmament, and this is noticed overseas, despite the laudatory articles.
    14. +4
      July 17 2021
      The author is absolutely right in reminding readers of the overwhelming quantitative superiority of the US Air Force over the Russian Aerospace Forces. I would also remember the imbalance of the compositions - they have the mass of AWACS aircraft, a lot of electronic warfare, we have one and a half A-50U. That is, we have excellent planes (Su-35, Su-57), but they are trite minuscule and there is a persistent feeling that the system of which they are a part (reconnaissance, control, etc.) is inferior to the American one.
    15. +7
      July 17 2021
      He brags about a pistol. It would be better to attend to the problems of a pistol. Not only does it rust at jet speed, but also a bunch of unsolved problems, not to mention the most complicated and expensive maintenance. So you look with the help of these problems and we will catch up.
      1. +8
        July 17 2021
        Quote: Andrea
        rusts with reactive speed, so there are also a lot of unsolved problems, not to mention the most complicated and expensive maintenance.

        There is a problem. The F-35 is a "flying computer" that needs to update its software all the time. This is his Achilles' heel as a combat system. EMP strike - and this is no longer an on-board computer with wings, but a pile of metal from the planet SHELEZYAK (s).
        But the Yankees, for some reason, prefer to keep quiet about this.
        And the second thing. They were the ones who gathered to visit us, forgetting about the air defense fence and the Aerospace Forces watchdogs. And it would be worth thinking about wolf pits and wolfhounds ...
        But.
    16. +3
      July 17 2021
      This article is on the levels that Misha would want. She is just a bit far from the real conditions of the battle today, which is an article in the rank of children's comics.
    17. -6
      July 17 2021
      One part she is right, there are not enough planes, we will throw hats, but it is better to promise something terrible so that NATO pilots fly in diapers.
    18. +4
      July 17 2021
      Some kind of crap, not an article. From the series "throw in baseball caps"
    19. +10
      July 17 2021
      It looks like the stages of adoption. First - "clearly not the fifth generation." Then - "much inferior in characteristics." Now - "even if it's better, the amount is less." And then what will happen? Even better and more, but far away?)))))
    20. +7
      July 17 2021
      As the leader of the world proletariat said, "less is better, but better." The number of American aircraft is, of course, impressive. We have nowhere to place so much. But if we imagine that in the event of war all of them will rise into the air at once and make a raid on targets in Russia, then the question arises, how many of them will be destroyed by air defense, how many will come back, if there will be where to return? And then 76 of our Su-57s will begin to operate? In Russia, they have long been accustomed to fighting not by numbers, but by skill. The Americans, one got the impression, are still at war with the unfortunate Indians, and at the same time think that they will win any war.
      Let them say thank you that the Afghan rebels on the shoulders of the American army did not enter Washington and did not make it a province of Afghanistan.
    21. +4
      July 17 2021
      In addition to the Su-57, there will be about 3 hundred other fighters. Provided that the number of regiments in aviation does not increase. And I think that there will be an increase in the number, since you need a place for a light fighter. There will be purchases of the mig-35. Now the dry novelty is rolling out. They are molding something new for a moment.
    22. +3
      July 17 2021
      "76 aircraft is much less than 1763 aircraft"
      Well, against such a flock of mosquitoes, dust with dichlorvosm will help.
    23. +6
      July 17 2021
      The reason is that the Americans are showing aggression towards Russia by forceful methods, because it is safer to drive the “Papuans” who cannot fight back. They are well aware that with an exclusively defensive doctrine, Russia will never start first. But it will always cause unacceptable damage in response to a direct forceful impact. Airplanes, tanks, ships (in the presence of strategic nuclear weapons) - all this is just a business profiting from the shtetl conflicts of the aforementioned "Papuans". No one will spit chewed paper while holding a brutal club.
    24. -1
      July 17 2021
      What kind of threat they can pose if they need to have at least 200 aircraft for this, the number that is now in the amount of 1 serial aircraft, of course, does not pose any threat
    25. +3
      July 17 2021
      I just would have learned English to leave a NI comment in the style of "Throw the gun and pop up, you fool" (c) laughing
    26. +3
      July 17 2021
      Be that as it may, but the Su-57 is really a scanty amount. Unfortunately.
    27. -1
      July 17 2021
      And from 1763 pcs. 3 fu-35s will be able to rise into the sky, they have so many air conditioners, no, I'm reassuring myself.
    28. +4
      July 17 2021
      Why is the amateur press always comparing the F-35 and the Su-57? These are absolutely 2 different classes of aircraft, for different tasks, initially for different technical tasks and requirements. What they have in common is that they both can fly and are "type" unobtrusive. And even funnier is some hypothetical battle between them, as if in a modern war, as in WW1, two cornmen in the sky will converge, and everyone around will "look" like an air show. Well, nonsense.
    29. -4
      July 17 2021
      Even without these specific fighters, it is clear that we will lose a full-scale non-nuclear war against the collective West with a deafening crash. The forty-first year will seem like a flower meadow. The difference in military, industrial, financial and human potential between us and them is simply monstrous.
      1. 0
        July 17 2021
        Quote: DenVB
        a full-scale non-nuclear war against the collective West, we will lose
        And you do not play war, swung - hit. And how will the "Difference in military, industrial, financial and human potential" help? Have you studied the history of World War II or just passed through? Germany did not have any advantages, but they quickly bent down all of Europe and made them dance to their tune, and where did the ambition of the French, Poles and other Europeans go.
        1. +2
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3
          Germany did not have any advantages, but they quickly bent the whole of Europe

          Germany had one important advantage - in the technology of warfare, they were ahead of the whole world by about twenty years. They quickly turned this advantage into control over the resources of all continental Europe.

          By the way, in terms of the resource of youth of draft age, Germany also surpassed France very significantly before the war. I don't remember the exact numbers, I have to look.

          Unfortunately, we have nothing like this. And it is not expected. Not only are we not leading in the technology of warfare, on the contrary, we are generally lagging behind a potential adversary in technology for the same twenty years.
      2. +4
        July 17 2021
        Quote: DenVB
        we will lose a conventional war against the collective West with a deafening crash

        And where did you get the idea that it will be non-nuclear?
        In the event of a hint of our defeat, it will instantly become nuclear.
        GDP said in plain text that we don't need a world without Russia
        1. +1
          July 17 2021
          Quote: Seryoga64
          In the event of a hint of our defeat, it will instantly become nuclear.

          Nonsense. There are many scenarios for a devastating non-nuclear war.

          Quote: Seryoga64
          GDP said in plain text that we don't need a world without Russia

          And what, after a non-nuclear defeat, Russia will certainly disappear somewhere?

          By the way, how gifted a person does one need to be to take seriously the pretentious chatter of politicians?
          1. -1
            July 17 2021
            Quote: DenVB
            Nonsense. There are many scenarios for a devastating non-nuclear war.

            Who are these scripts for? For the Papuans?
            And what, after a non-nuclear defeat, Russia will certainly disappear somewhere?

            Will disappear as an independent state.
            Do you dream of living under zaluzhniki and NATO members?
            So here they will arrange such a genocide ...
            1. 0
              July 17 2021
              Quote: Seryoga64
              For the Papuans?

              Uh-huh. There were some legendary Papuans who exchanged gold for beads. It reminds me of something ...

              Quote: Seryoga64
              Will disappear as an independent state.

              Again, nonsense. For example, after the Crimean War was lost, Russia has not disappeared anywhere. Why, after a hypothetically lost new Crimean War, will it necessarily disappear? Or Kaliningrad. Or Kuril.
              1. +1
                July 17 2021
                Quote: DenVB
                There were some legendary Papuans

                And then there are real Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, who lost everything without nuclear weapons.
                And there are real C Koreans against buyout zaluzhniki can not do anything.
                Remind me how they sent AUG to the shores of Korea and how they scrambled from there when Eun threatened them with a nuclear strike?
                Why, after a hypothetically lost new Crimean War, will it necessarily disappear? Or Kaliningrad. Or Kuril.

                What kind of wars are these? belay
                Russia lost to one country, but not a pack of predators who only dream of grabbing Russia by the throat and sucking all the veins out of it.
                And once again I tell you, the times are over when it was possible without having and without using nuclear weapons to defeat a stronger one
                1. +1
                  July 17 2021
                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  And then there are real Iraqis, Yugoslavs, Libyans, who lost everything without nuclear weapons.

                  And then there was the Soviet Union. Then think for yourself.

                  Quote: Seryoga64
                  And there are real C Koreans against buyout zaluzhniki can not do anything.

                  By the way, the Americans are really afraid of Kim. They know that they are frostbitten. Not so long ago, either he, or his ancestor, a South Korean corvette torpedoed. And he got nothing for that. Compare with our eyebrow frown.
    30. +2
      July 17 2021
      Quote: Mitroha
      Without air defense and other aircraft. School, vacation

      Yeah, they took it off the tongue - he just doesn't want to remember our air defense, in view of the fact that in this case the alignment will not be in their favor.
    31. 0
      July 17 2021
      If our TU-95s continue to fly at the borders of the mattress mats, then I constantly raise the raptors into the air, they will burn their resource. laughing
      Well, then 76 pieces will be enough.
    32. +2
      July 17 2021
      1763 aircraft
      Is someone responsible for the market there? request
    33. 0
      July 17 2021
      On the other branch, our submarine is worthless, here is Drying. Just give up even in captivity, there is nothing to fight with))) Why are they afraid then Russia, accused of aggression, pulling troops to our borders?
    34. 0
      July 17 2021
      Quote: svp67
      According to Chris Osborne, in the event of a real battle, F-35 fighters will simply quantitatively cover the area with observation and long-range fire, detecting and destroying enemy aircraft before they themselves are noticed.
      The recent meeting of the F-35 and Su-30 in the skies over the Baltic, somehow does not confirm these conclusions ...

      But these were Italians, not Yankees ... But the essence does not change. If this pigvin appears in the sky over Russia, it could be shot down by both the Su-30 and the Su-35. And also the MiG-31 is not excluded. As you can see, there are many options, and everyone can fight one-on-one, and not in a crowd.
    35. BAI
      +1
      July 17 2021
      The National Interest

      One abbreviation "TNI" gives a comprehensive understanding of the competence of a news writer.
    36. +4
      July 17 2021
      The bullet is a fool, the bayonet is well done, they are fighting not by number, but by skill © A. Suvorov! -10 Russian guards under his command, the battle of Rymnik, after a 000 km march - 100 days and an attack, outright defeated 2 Turkish army with guns and redoubts and a defense depth of 100 km.
    37. 0
      July 17 2021
      Is there a military man who knows something about MILITARY strategy and tactics? What would be the answer to stupid children's fairy tales?
      1. +1
        July 17 2021
        So for the BALVANOV: NATO can have a life of 10.000 f35 and f22, they must fly from airports that eat the diameter of the Russian target, without refueling in the air. How many airports are there? 20-30 -50? ALL AIRPORTS WILL BE DESTROYED WITHIN 30-60 MINUTES !!!
        1. 0
          July 17 2021
          Russian fighters have 2 times larger dosega diameter than NATO!
          1. 0
            July 17 2021
            What is GARBAGE left to do? Try a nuclear strike? And this will be their end !!! This is just one scenario to attack Rusiu.
            1. 0
              July 17 2021
              THESE AIRPORTS SHOULD HAVE LOGISTICS TO ACCEPT THESE 10.000 Marsian planes and weapons that you must have!
              1. 0
                July 17 2021
                And Vasya will be gulping with the girls at this time until they organize it logistically? After refueling in the air, the MiG 31 will simply send everyone in a tanker with fuel to Hell, and with this and the plane they must refuel in the air.
                1. 0
                  July 17 2021
                  This means that these 1.700 F different DOES NOT WORK 1 DESTROYED WATERMELON AGAINST LIGHT Elijah! laughing
                  1. 0
                    July 17 2021
                    And then SU ​​57 will arrive to look for Joa and Krolieva and Macron in the place with the Pope in the Vatican! laughing laughing laughing
    38. +1
      July 17 2021
      Russia is a colossus! On clay feet (c) alloizych-1941
      1. 0
        July 19 2021
        Quote: Andycomm
        Russia is a colossus! On clay feet (c) alloizych-1941

        he finished badly wink
    39. 0
      July 18 2021
      They do not consider su57 as the 5th generation, and even when it becomes 5+ and beyond 5 ++ and beyond 5,5 and then 6 and 6+, 6 ++, 6,5 they will consider that they have an advantage !!! Like Britain, which made dreadnoughts and thought that forever the leader ...
    40. -2
      July 18 2021
      Aircraft of the fifth generation can destroy almost all air defense systems.
      Missiles and drones will be launched from afar. Rockets interfering with kamikaze drones.
      As it was in N-Karabakh. How the IDF does it in Syria.

      To neutralize such a blow, we need aircraft with early warning radars and the required number of MiG-35 and Su-30-35 fighters.
    41. 0
      July 18 2021
      In addition to airplanes, there are also air defense and missiles, and this stuff will be enough for American planes!
    42. -1
      July 18 2021
      After reading the article, I want to say:
      -Sleep peacefully, US citizens.
    43. -1
      July 18 2021
      Mathematics is a real thing. The same raw Su-57 as the F-35. Worse or better, not about that. It's just that someone already has 5th generation planes, someone only has plans for production.
    44. 0
      July 18 2021
      Hitler thought the same way, but forgot that the Russian Vanya was not done with a finger ...
    45. DMi
      0
      July 18 2021
      As if everything is exactly the opposite) this f35 has not yet been adopted for service by I.K. did not pass all the required tests. And with su57 everything is in order in this aspect.
      Wikipedia says that on 01, 07 pieces were produced. Form 2021. Half of them were delivered to the allies. Where did you count 665 pieces? in the US army interesting)
      Well, for 2022. F35 deliveries to the US Army have been canceled. They do not need him in the form he is now.
    46. 0
      July 18 2021
      Starship raid? Air defense systems armed with a special warhead will sweep away the F-35 e at a range of application range.
      1. -1
        July 19 2021
        Very cool) Alas, F 35 is not intended for stellar raid. They throw rockets into the air. Thousands, tens of thousands of rockets will launch thousands of aircraft. How many air defense divisions do we have?
        1. 0
          July 19 2021
          Quote: Mikhail3
          Thousands, tens of thousands of rockets will launch thousands of aircraft.

          tin! belay laughing
          and where are these "thousand" planes? "in London! in London? in London." (c) Snatch laughing
          Are they not that tens of thousands, they fired at least a couple of dozen missiles on a massive scale? at least during the exercises? not? Oh! belay how is that? belay laughing
          1. 0
            July 20 2021
            Uh-uh ... What is it with you ?! Have a cold drink, sit down, relax, let go. No one will attack Russia alone. The whole block will pile up. Have you come to your senses? And then you are somehow not very adequate.
            1. 0
              July 20 2021
              Quote: Mikhail3
              Uh-uh ... What is it with you ?! Have a cold drink, sit down, relax, let go.

              good advice. thank you. I haven't been amused for so long laughing
              Quote: Mikhail3
              No one will attack Russia alone. The whole block will pile up.

              what block? thus, which the United States said in plain text that if the DPRK on Guam with a nuclear missile shvarknit then for the Americans will not fit? do not make me laugh laughing
              If we assume such a development of events in which the Russian Federation begins to press, for example, the Poles with the Balts, then everything that the bloc does will express concern, agree with the Russian Federation so that they limit themselves to kicking the Poles with the Balts and try to cut the dough to the maximum from those same Balts and Poles. it has been clear to everyone since 2008. even there.
              jointly, the bloc can act only in one case, if they oppose someone who cannot answer them, for example, like the Serbs. if it can fly in response, then there is no block. every man for himself. They won, even within the EU, they steal vaccines from each other and do not care what is being done in a neighboring EU country.
              1. 0
                July 20 2021
                Quote: SanichSan
                what block?

                No? So we're safe? No war, no peace, but disband the army? Well, thank you, Lord! We distribute the defense budget to pregnant pensioners and all the bloom. Oh, I feel better ...
                1. 0
                  July 20 2021
                  now re-read carefully what I wrote wink
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  jointly, the block can act only in one case, if they oppose whoever they can't answer

                  if
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  No war, no peace, but disband the army?

                  then they will definitely attack and arrange the same that they arrange everywhere, for example, as in Syria or Libya ...
                  Quote: Mikhail3
                  So we're safe?

                  while we have a combat-ready army, navy, VKS and Strategic Missile Forces - yes.
                  what do you suggest that? to destroy all this on the basis that a monkey with a grenade is now near our borders, and not a Wehrmacht of 1941? gorgeous logic wassat
                  PS
                  and thousands of aircraft capable of launching something there, they just don't have it and will not have it for the next 50 years hi
                  1. 0
                    July 20 2021
                    Well, why then do you uselessly shake your tongue? An attack on Russia is possible only with the entire NATO bloc together. What I wrote about. Then all these F35s, which the block is quite saturated with, will act in their characteristic role - foundlings for thousands and thousands of missiles with which they will crush our air defense and destroy us. In the event of war, there are simply no options, and our only hope is for nuclear weapons. I did not understand why your posts were. Are you getting paid for them, or what?
                    1. 0
                      July 20 2021
                      Quote: Mikhail3
                      An attack on Russia is possible only with the entire NATO bloc together. What I wrote about.

                      I wrote to you that this is possible only if our army is destroyed below the plinth, that is, in the near future it is not realistic.
                      Quote: Mikhail3
                      Then all these F35s, which the block is quite saturated with, will act in their characteristic role - foundlings for thousands and thousands of missiles with which they will crush our air defense and destroy us.

                      oga oga wassat Counts and boyars occupy benches around the lists, a beautiful lady throws a handkerchief and knights in sparkling armor (their Air Force and our air defense) are jumping at each other in order to win the heart of a beautiful lady in an honest kumite! wassat
                      Did Timokhin bite you that you are so dashingly throwing entire branches of the army out of the brackets? belay
                      while there is even the slightest chance in response to an aircraft entering the airspace of the Russian Federation to receive a missile strike on its own infrastructure, no one will twitch there.
                      Quote: Mikhail3
                      In the event of war, there are simply no options, and our only hope is for nuclear weapons.

                      war is possible if our army is gone, including nuclear weapons.
                      Quote: Mikhail3
                      I did not understand why your posts were. Are you getting paid for them, or what?

                      I laugh cleanly laughing do you get paid for your funny posts?
                      1. 0
                        July 21 2021
                        I can only repeat that an attack on Russia is possible only by the entire NATO bloc jointly. The fact that you think that this is impossible is your own business and personal opinion. I never touched on the question - is it possible or not. The same goes for the rest of your argumentation - you are passionately arguing with yourself. did not understand, and I am in your purely internal dialogue.
                        I understand that it is not easy to break into your consciousness giving birth to all sorts of chimeras, but purely for fun:
                        NATO didn’t support the United States in the stupid dispute with North Korea because the Koreans had something to spare. In Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, good profits were planned, and the allies in the bloc were happy to fit in. As soon as there was nothing to plunder, they dispersed. If in Afghanistan the CIA had not scooped up all the drug flows, there and now all the "military contingents" were sitting)
                        And we have something to plunder, so all the contradictions that you see) will instantly disappear as soon as the fear subsides. And he will weaken soon. Since that Russian warrior, whom these scum feared, no longer exists ...
    47. -1
      July 19 2021
      He's absolutely right. Without nuclear weapons, we will be destroyed. Is this some kind of news?
    48. +1
      July 19 2021
      in the event of a real battle, F-35 fighters will simply quantitatively cover the area with observation and long-range fire, detecting and destroying enemy aircraft before they themselves are noticed.

      Yes? And how many F-35s can simultaneously be serviceable and ready for battle? What theater of operations? And the air defense will not really see them?
      So many assumptions that it turns out that child's grater, who is stronger - a whale or an elephant?
      A certain battle of one and a half thousand F-35 against 70 Su-57 ...
      But I don't think so - where could this happen and why? Do you want the Vanguard on the Capitol's cumpola? Or a Dagger for Büchel?
    49. +1
      July 19 2021
      Strange conclusions, no one will meet 1 on 1 in the air, if the meeting is on the territory of the Russian Federation, then the air defense will help, which perfectly sees these invisible aircraft, the SU - 57 will be in the role of the KA - 52 in the helicopter link, control, guidance, detection and the transfer of commands to other links, and the SU-30 and SU-35, will do their job, if before that the S-400 or S-500 do not work out.
      1. +1
        July 19 2021
        Quote: Serhi
        and SU-30 and SU-35, they will do their job, if before that the S-400 or S-500 do not work.

        Let me remind you that since the Second World War it became clear that the best air defense is your tanks at enemy airfields wink now technologies have made great strides forward and in this thesis it is necessary to replace tanks with missiles. hi
    50. -1
      July 19 2021
      Su-57 will not be able to pose a real threat to the United States and NATO
      in fact, only the SNF of the Russian Federation pose a real threat to the United States and NATO, all other weapons for local conflicts

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