The head of the UAC announced the start of the development work on the creation of new versions of the fifth generation fighter Su-57

The Russian fifth-generation fighter Su-57 will receive several new versions, and work on them will begin this year. Yuri Slyusar, head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), spoke about this at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to Slyusar's fame, this year the UAC begins development work on the creation of new versions of the Su-57 fighter. At the same time, he did not explain which versions the UAC was going to develop, although it was previously reported about the intention to create a two-seater version of the aircraft. According to the developers, this is the option that foreign buyers will prefer.

Speaking about plans to supply the Su-57 to the troops, Slyusar said that by the end of the year the Aerospace Forces will receive four new fighters, and from next year the KLA plans to increase production rates, reaching the production of 12 fighters per year. At the same time, he did not rule out that with the start of mass deliveries of the Su-57 to the troops with the second stage engine, the military will want to increase the number of ordered aircraft, so the task of the UAC is to be technically ready for this.

Earlier, at the collegium of the military department, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that the Russian Aerospace Forces will receive 2024 fifth-generation SU-22 fighters by the end of 57. In total, by 2027, the Ministry of Defense will receive 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract signed in 2019. The Su-57 should be rearmed with three aviation shelf. The first production fighter was received in December 2020.

The Su-57 is one of four 5th generation fighters in service in the world. In addition to the Su-57, these are the American F-22 and F-35, as well as the Chinese J-20.

Comments

[VO3A]

Three aviation regiments are to be re-equipped on the Su-57. The first production fighter was received in December 2020.

What kind of regiment is this with only 25 aircraft?
Will they get 2 or 4 this year? Are we expanding production too quickly? And what else did Slyusar tell you?
I wonder if a worker assembles 1 plane or 2 a year, he will not forget what to do and how? And the rest of the time he wipes the plane with a rag and gets paid for it?

[Orange bigg]

It's okay. Gradually, serial production will increase.

Speaking about plans to supply the Su-57 to the troops, Slyusar said that by the end of the year the Aerospace Forces will receive four new fighters, and from next year the KLA plans to increase production rates, reaching the production of 12 fighters per year.

[sustav75]

Rzhu with you !!! Graduates! Hochma! They pour tons of noodles on your ears! And you all hawala! One two Three! Be patient! Three two times! It's a shame! Not the release of a fighter ...

[Orange bigg]

Quote: sustav75

Rzhu with you !!! Graduates! Hochma! They pour tons of noodles on your ears! And you all hawala! One two Three! Be patient! Three two times! It's a shame! Not the release of a fighter ...

First, it was necessary to master dozens of new technological processes. In Russia, nothing comparable in terms of technological complexity with the production of Su-57 fighters was previously produced. It was necessary to master production technologies and only then begin to increase it. And with you everything is as simple as I can see, judging from your post.

... Preparations for the production of a new aircraft required the enterprise staff to master dozens of new technological processes. This transition largely determined the direction of the technological development of the enterprise. The structural features of the aircraft frame, the intensive and laborious installation of pipelines, harnesses, components, a large number of tests at all stages of assembly, the flow of design changes, as well as the requirements of the company and the customer in terms of the timing of the aircraft's production and its quality set the KnAAZ management complex tasks for organizing production of the Su-57 aircraft, which the Komsomol aircraft builders coped with, paying attention to all the nuances of work on the new project.


For the manufacture of parts in the shops of machining production, high-precision equipment was purchased, which makes it possible to improve the quality and reduce the time of their production by several times. The production of complex welded titanium structures was mastered on a modern installation for electron beam welding. New sections for the assembly of the Su-57 aircraft were formed in the assembly and assembly shops. To improve the quality of assembly of in-tank assemblies of the middle part of the fuselage, a rotary stand was designed and manufactured, which allows the installation of the pipeline in a vertical position. At the test site of the fuel system in the middle part of the fuselage, the testing stands for flushing and testing for leaks in the middle part of the fuselage were completed, as a result of which adjustments were made to the design of the stands and the work execution technology and a stable result of the checks was obtained. In the final assembly shop, an assembly line for the Su-57 is being organized. During the design of the production line, logistics were thought out, space was allocated for storing the units. To carry out numerous checks and tests of the aircraft and its individual units and systems, the plant designed and manufactured about 300 positions of special stands and consoles intended only for the Su-57 aircraft.

To ensure the serial production and testing of Su-57 aircraft, projects are being implemented for the priority facilities of the flight test station of the branch of PJSC "Sukhoi Company" KnAAZ im. Yu.A. Gagarin

https://diana-mihailova.livejournal.com/6555541.html

[NIKN]

You have stated everything correctly. I completely agree, only alarming

Yuri Slyusar, head of the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), told about this at a meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin.

At a meeting with VVP, everyone as one cheerfully reports on breakthrough plans, but then ... it’s good if the shift in law turns out to be acceptable ...

[Alex777]

One thing is already clear: at the exhibition on July 20, the novelty is not a two-seater Su-57.

At a meeting with VVP, all as one cheerfully report on breakthrough plans

When Peskov said that looking at an angry VVP he wanted to do it, he was not exaggerating. Trust me.

[El Chuvachino]

And this is a single engine machine
Greetings, Alexander!

[Alex777]

Greetings!
Judging by the photo - VTOL aircraft.
Really wait?
This will be check and checkmate.

[El Chuvachino]

Wait, a little left. I can't guess anymore
Judging by the tension of the covers, there is a feeling that the air intake is displaced towards the nose. No matter how this option:

[Alex777]

I have posted these photos before.
Here the air intake is very large.
But you are right - no need to guess. We wait.

[Goffman]

Quote: Alex777

Peskov said that looking at an angry VVP I want to do it

With Peskov, this may remain for the rest of his life, even in the unlikely event that he and his employer surrender their posts. Did Sobchak know about this in the 90s, when he was carrying a briefcase to him? Did your colleagues in the GDR even guess that VVP is angry at the moment? And so, yes, the power is changing, especially in more than twenty years you will become so comfortable in it - you can start wiping your feet on people, "since you won't get anything for it."

[apricot]

About terrible difficulties with which the UAC faced: How many years have passed since the creation of the first prototypes of ssu57 (?) ... for amers that from 22 to 35 things were better (?) and technologically - devices not lower (!) and the processes of creating technological chains are comparable ( !), it's just that we have both intellectual, managerial and production disruption, and this trend continues despite the bravado ...

[xorek]

Quote: sustav75

Rzhu with you !!! Graduates! Hochma! They pour tons of noodles on your ears! And you all hawala! One two Three! Be patient! Three two times! It's a shame! Not the release of a fighter ...

Pasha, do not choke on your poison hehe.
The work is in progress and this is the main thing ..

[Victorio]

Quote: xorek

The work is going on and this is the main thing.

===
exactly. harness slowly, but drive fast.

[Zaurbek]

There is no hurry ...

[out of habit]

When do you think we need to hurry?
When will it sound ... treacherous today, without a declaration of war ...?
I have the impression that the SU-57 will only be released after concrete interest from abroad.

[Zaurbek]

There are many questions ... one of the indicators that we are ready for the "series" is the modernization of the Su30 and Su35 avionics using the legacy of the Su57 .... this is not there, which means that the industry is not ready.

[Pensive Lawyer]

There will be no such war. Do you think the United States will start an all-out war with 44 interceptor missiles on its territory?
They are not complete half their population in the name of ... but in the name of what, by the way? They will not get anything from the war, they themselves came to the war only at the end of the day. And the ram, which can be directed at us, is not observed. Moreover, the US allies are gradually weakening (cutting the number of armies). Ukraine and Poland do not count, they will not stand against us even a month, which of them is a ram. The Baltics are generally mosquitoes with armies of 1000 people, they can only compete with each other, who will go to the next world faster.
Turkey? Their desire is evident in Azerbaijan, which began negotiations in a few hours after our turntable was shot down and actually accepted our terms. In those hours before the start of the talks, Turkey made it clear to its ally that it was necessary to do anything to smooth the situation.
Germany? Torn apart by internal problems, wanting to trade with us? They will step aside and take up an observer position.
Old Britain is only a faded shadow of the power that was.
France will not be able to understand whether it is tolerant to go to war if there are few females in the army.
The Italians will not go with the Spaniards - they have a siesta.
Israel is too smart to be manipulated.
China is more likely to take our side.
India is not very friendly with the United States, and China will not dare to turn its back with their complicated relations.
Japan? She has nothing but the fleet. And the ships are not yet able to take settlements. And to be, again, face to face with us and China, which has not forgotten the atrocities of the Kwantung Army, is akin to a sepukku for them.
There is no one to fight with us. Therefore, there is no sense in rushing and finishing off our already not very strong economy with its problems, transferring it to a wartime regime.

[out of habit]

You painted well, I am delighted! I would have your thoughtfulness.

[Greenwood]

I agree with almost everything, except this:

China is more likely to take our side.

I would not bet on friendship until death with the Chinese. They portray such as long as it suits them. The experience of friendship with China in the 1950s, and then the bloody conflict at Damanskoye in 1969 and the subsequent anti-Soviet hysteria in the PRC during the 1970s, I think everyone remembers. Their army, air force, navy and nuclear missile forces are developing at a record pace and in a few years will significantly strengthen, unlike the Russian ones. Nobody can judge what will happen in Russia in 5 years under the current political and economic situation. At some point, the Chinese may decide that it is time to wind up friendship and begin to explore new territories. And this factor should by no means be written off.

[Pensive Lawyer]

I'm not talking about friendship. I'm talking about the vital necessity for China. We have nothing to do with it, they just need to do something with the United States with China's ambitions. It is always better to stand up with someone against your opponent than to do it alone.

[Greenwood]

Quote: Pensive Lawyer

vital necessity for China

But she is not. The Chinese military and economic potential is so enormous that it does not require collaboration with Russia. And then, neither the United States nor China would benefit from a direct conflict. The economies of countries are very closely tied to each other. China portrays the confrontation with the United States only in words, but in fact it is much more realistic for them to resolve the issue with Taiwan, the numerous disputed territories in Southeast Asia and, in the future, the subsoil and resources of Russia.

[Guardian of the walls]

I wonder by what criteria the SU-57 belongs to the 5th generation? At cruising supersonic speed?

[Pensive Lawyer]

Faster, more agile, better armed than any of the 5th generation.
Stealth was sacrificed, which, given its purpose, is not critically necessary.
Radar and electronic warfare systems on a par with competitors.
Do you think a 5th generation aircraft must be invisible? Even if it is a defense plane, that is, created to fight over its territory?

[Passing]

How many rivets are there? You don't need a special mind for this, you know dolby, and so you can stretch one plane for months. And the assembly of units for any aircraft is roughly similar, I opened the technological map and go ahead, for an experienced person, no matter what kind of aircraft to assemble, so today it will be Su-35, tomorrow Su-57.

[Stepan S]

And the assembly of units for any aircraft is roughly similar

Apparently you have a distant idea of ​​assembling aircraft for the Air Force. The layout is too tight, there are many redundant systems, a lot of checks and tests at every stage. Well, the plane is new, all these years it has been refined, many changes have been made, conditions have been created for mass production.

[Passing]

Quote: Stepan S

Apparently you have a distant idea of ​​assembling aircraft for the Air Force.

Do you yourself have real experience, or do you reason abstractly while sitting on the couch? I personally did not collect aircraft, but I had to go through the practice, in the 90s. And I spent half my life at various factories, directly in the workshops, so there is no need to tell me about layouts and other terrible things, I am not at all impressed. My life experience says that one and the same experienced assembler-assembler at small-scale (and at large-scale, conveyor belts too) regularly masters not one or two operations, but tens and hundreds. And in many factories, during the shift, several models are assembled by the same people.

[Cottodraton]

Now they switch to automatic stations everywhere. Everything is assembled and riveted in hours

[Stepan S]

And the rest of the time he wipes the plane with a rag and gets paid for it?

The plant also produces other types of fighters, Su-35, Su-30 for example. Of course, the pace is not high, but it will gradually increase. The plant is also not rubber.

[yehat2]

Quote: VO3A

What kind of regiment is this with only 25 aircraft?

the productivity of the machines increases. I don't see any oddities.

Quote: VO3A

he will not forget what to do and how?

I think the main issues are not at all on the assembly of cars, but with suppliers

[Anatoly 288]

Hopefully this upgrade isn't about dual-zone climate control and adaptive cruise control!

[Tusv]

Quote: VO3A

What kind of regiment is this with only 25 aircraft?

We now have mixed aviation regiments. 25 this is a fighter unit

[knn54]

Maybe a deck version will appear?

[Orange bigg]

Double version of the Su-57.

.Russian aircraft manufacturers will develop a two-seater version of the fifth generation fighter. It is suggested that this machine will interest foreign customers.

The Ministry of Defense and Sukhoi are planning to create a new version of the fifth generation Su-57 fighter. This was reported by TASS with reference to Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.

"The plans of the Ministry of Defense and the Sukhoi Design Bureau are to manufacture a two-pilot cockpit, which will expand export demand for this model <...>, it can create additional demand," the statesman said.

https://naked-science.ru/article/tech/rossiya-planiruet-sozdat-novuyu-versiyu-su-57

[Seryoga64]

Quote: knn54

Maybe a deck version will appear?

So for this at least a deck is needed

[knn54]

Sergey, the MiG-29K needs to be replaced.
And the export potential of the "palubnik" with NEW engines will be great.
And the decks will appear.

[Seryoga64]

Quote: knn54

Sergey, the MiG-29K needs to be replaced.

Yes, that's understandable. But when was the last time he took off from the deck?
Yesterday infa passed that the issue with "Kuzya" is being resolved. On "needles" it, or repair

And the decks will appear.

I strongly doubt ...
On the other hand, if they start doing it, then it will not be one year or ten. During this time, it is quite possible to make a deck version

[Alex777]

Yesterday infa passed that the issue with "Kuzya" is being resolved. On "needles" it, or repair

Is there any link to read?
Or is it all at the level of conversations?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Alex777

Or is it all at the level of conversations?

I don't even remember which branch was on and most likely it was in the comment.
I just flipped through this thread

[Alex777]

35 shipyards are very seriously shaken for the expense of funds for repairs, the construction of the dock was finally accelerated after the visit of Shoigu, and you are talking about needles.
Strange, incomprehensible ...
PS Maybe the date of this comment was years ago?

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Alex777

and you mean needles.

Not me.

PS Maybe the date of this comment was years ago? wink

Yesterday. That's for sure.
You see, the fate of "Kuzi" worries me, that's why I caught my eye. But I don't remember the thread and the author of the comment too.

[Alex777]

You see, the fate of "Kuzi" worries me, that's why I caught my eye. But I don't remember the thread and the author of the comment too.

Do not worry.
This happens to me too.
If you remember, let me know.
But the last time I heard about such reflections was after his return from SPM.
When 2 planes were lost.
Since then they have taken on it ...

[Seryoga64]

Quote: Alex777

If you remember

I don’t remember. I didn't even try to remember. I looked through a lot of branches, and how many comments ...

[avg avg]

Technically drove off!

[SovAr238A]

Quote: knn54

Sergey, the MiG-29K needs to be replaced.
And the export potential of the "palubnik" with NEW engines will be great.
And the decks will appear.

Will not appear ...
Do not be mistaken.
There is no prospective buyer for Russian carrier-based aircraft other than India.
Others will never appear at all.
Even if the Indians, who for 10 years have been demonstrating a turn towards Western aviation and a departure from Russian aircraft, will buy, then no more than 12-18 units.
This is the real limit for the export of our decks.

[Artyom Karagodin]

They ripped it off my tongue, Nikolai ... I just wanted to write about it.

[YOU]

In principle, as expected, a training variant, a variant with two pilots, possibly a deck boat. Let's see what is the result. This is welcome. The main thing is that the SU-57 with the second stage engine appears as soon as possible. And the hope is that after that there will be an increase in the rate of delivery.

[Raven 95]

... earlier it was reported about the intention to create a two-seater version of the aircraft. According to the developers, foreign buyers will prefer this option.

Based on what has been written, we are talking not about just a pair of Su-57UB, with a simple duplication of instruments and controls in the second cockpit, but about a full-fledged two-seat version with a "navigator-operator".

[VO3A]

And who will lead the swarms, conduct reconnaissance, provide target designation, identify and identify the enemy, who will be on the ground and in the air? An aircraft of the 5th generation is the central link of the network-centric system, especially in an offensive and in foreign territory, where it is already a control center ... This requires an operator on board, the vaunted and inflated AI cannot cope with this ... There is a judgment that and on the 6th generation there will be a 2-man crew ... This is who understands in modern warfare ... This is the one who believes in the mantra of AI and the unmanned 6th generation ... Dance further with a tambourine near the fire ..

[YOU]

About that and speech. Two-seat modification, not only for training, but also a machine for the operator, on-board control systems. And drone control, information exchange. Receiving and issuing targeted instructions.


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[SovAr238A]

Quote: VO3A

And who will lead the swarms, conduct reconnaissance, provide target designation, identify and identify the enemy, who will be on the ground and in the air? An aircraft of the 5th generation is the central link of the network-centric system, especially in an offensive and in foreign territory, where it is already a control center ... This requires an operator on board, the vaunted and inflated AI cannot cope with this ... There is a judgment that and on the 6th generation there will be a 2-man crew ... This is who understands in modern warfare ... This is the one who believes in the mantra of AI and the unmanned 6th generation ... Dance further with a tambourine near the fire ..

Why is everything that you described as functional associated with the single-seat F-35?

And the demand for two-seater cars around the world is small. Very small.
I don't really remember the big contracts for such machines over the past 10 years.

[sustav75]

Not tired of waiting ?! Hope ?! Maybe it's time to spit on all these top-manager talkers! And live a normal life? For them, the main thing is money! And not our joy and pride in the armed forces of Russia ...

[carstorm 11]

Calm down already ah? On each branch with their own delirium ... got it already ...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: YOU

In principle, as expected, a training variant, a variant with two pilots, possibly a deck boat. Let's see what is the result.

And in the future, on July 20, we should be shown something like this:

[rocket757]

The head of the UAC announced the start of the development work on the creation of new versions of the fifth generation fighter Su-57

... Yes, yes, our ancestors DID first, and then ... and then the enemy / enemy was waiting for such a small surprise !!!
All these "effective manners", at the expense of DOING, are not to boast of special achievements, but to announce, advance and other beleberds, there is more than enough of them!
To be honest, this should already infuriate, not weak, but .... perhaps we are just tired of all such turbidity !!!
In vain, of course, but how to make all those "effective" answer for their words / statements and for everything else like that, there is a great riddle ???

[cniza]

Quote: rocket757

In vain, of course, but how to make all those "effective" answer for their words / statements and for everything else like that, there is a great riddle ???

Yes, so far only bla-blaprom works well for us ...

[rocket757]

Something, some where it really works for us, BUT, loud, empty promises / statements, bringing a lot of harm ...
In objective reality, in contrast to the case when "love with ears", you will not be full with words !!!

[cniza]

It hurts the real business, it hurts a lot, especially when the main thing is to report this minute and no more ...

[xorek]

Quote: cniza

Quote: rocket757

In vain, of course, but how to make all those "effective" answer for their words / statements and for everything else like that, there is a great riddle ???

Yes, so far only bla-blaprom works well for us ...

Yes, it seems that they began to scratch less with languages, these are zhurnalyugi, they write all sorts of guesses, but in fact everything is classified as what and what performance characteristics .... This is how it should be in Russia! Otherwise, the whiners all just zanoyut and oposhlyat ..Von multiki let pokazat))))) Already everything on combat duty is worth ..

[cniza]

Journalists are journals, but we have a part of bureaucrats whose priority is not the business and the goal, but a competent report and a beautiful brochure ...

[xorek]

Quote: cniza

Journalists are journals, but we have a part of bureaucrats whose priority is not the business and the goal, but a competent report and a beautiful brochure ...

There are talkers, I agree, and yet there are less of them ..
I also don’t like talkers, as if we’ll put it into operation and everything is fine, etc.
I prefer a clear report .. Commissioned, testing began, then no comment.
But when already ... the product went on combat duty, then you can shout Hurray

[cniza]

Here I am about this, you do it first, and then boast ...

[out of habit]

The main thing is that you yourself do not get off alert duty. There are still so many liberals, State Department officials, Banderaites around, and who else are you denouncing under every article, tireless you are ours.

[Thrifty]

In general, not f35, not a Chinese craft, are not generation 5 aircraft, because they do not meet the requirements and criteria for the 5th generation of a fighter. The Chinese generally have problems with engines, they simply do not exist, the F35 cannot fly in supersonic for more than a few seconds, otherwise the stealth coating will come off like a stocking from a leg. Only F22 and Su57 are 5th generation aircraft.

[donavi49]

And in the Su-57, in general, the screws are shining with their heads. And turbine blades like a Christmas tree. So, if you go according to your logic, the Su-57 is also not the 5th generation, though in stealth it is higher than 4 ++ (a key parameter, along with supersonic and AFAR).

[Thrifty]

Donavi 49 - what do you want from an airplane assembled literally on your knees? Only, having lost the first family car, they rushed to build a normal assembly shop, bought good equipment, installed 3d machines ... move ...

[Alexey Stepanov]

So it's kind of like a storyboard of a flight test vehicle, with no RP coverage.
Although, of course, from the contemplation of such "high-tech" gaps straight blood from the eyes

[donavi49]

Well, w / n 510 is visible -
T-50-10 510 The ninth flight prototype. Prototype of the second stage. The first flight took place on December 23, 2017.

In fact, this is the penultimate pre-production vehicle (only 511 is newer and the serial transferred to the troops).

[El Chuvachino]

These are not turbine blades, but radar blockers, already in the photo they have even been shown here more than once ...

[Bad_gr]

Quote: donavi49

And in the Su-57, in general, the screws are shining with their heads.

F-35

And these are five F-35s with screws and a peeling nose (I wonder how this nose looks on someone else's radar?)

And this is the F-22 board

[OgnennyiKotik]

AND? Doesn't it bother the technician twisting them? And at takeoff, there is not even a hint of heads?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Doesn't it bother the technician twisting them?

Three questions:
how did you determine what twists, and not vice versa?
Where did the holes from the unscrewed screws go?
And the option that the screws, after twisting them into place on top, are puttyed with something - is not considered?

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

And at takeoff, there is not even a hint of heads?

And where are they with ours?

[avg avg]

You do not understand, this is different!

[keeper03]

You can putty! And it will be like a baby's ass!

[El Chuvachino]

Generation. Through O. How is it possible?

[sevryuk]

This is such a generation in the BUSSR.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Thrifty

Actually, not f35, not a Chinese craft, are not generation 5 aircraft, because they do not meet the requirements and criteria for the 5th generation of a fighter

Who approved these requirements and criteria? The Yankees took it from the ceiling and said that this was the truth in the first instance and that there could be no deviations in any direction. Now everyone rushed to look at them.
The so-called "generation" is just a number. The main thing is that the aircraft performs the combat functions for which it was created.

[businessv]

Quote: YOU

And the hope is that after this there will be an increase in the rate of delivery.

They cut off their hopes on the fly - 12 a year, which means one a month. Not much! Even liquid, I would say.

[El Chuvachino]

Then 54 units should be delivered in 3 years.

[Flashpoint]

Those. 18 per year or 1,5 per month, also not a lot, but already better.

[El Chuvachino]

Better than ever in Russia

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Better than ever in Russia

It caught my eye:
https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/11674/
There is a diagram for the production of aircraft:

So what's the bottom line?
Are pearls small or empty cabbage soup?

[El Chuvachino]

I'm talking about Thomas, you are talking about Erema. Once again: can you name a larger and more expensive contract for fighter aircraft in the modern history of Russia?

[Genry]

Quote: ROSS 42

There is a diagram for the production of aircraft:

"Then" there was a recession and this is well known to everyone.

Where are the last 30 years?
Or did you expect people to just look at the recession and associate with the last period?

[sustav75]

And then the donkey! Or padishah! Clownery is all ...

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: sustav75

Clownery is all ...

Not every country can assemble one aircraft of this class, especially with a small military budget. Where is the clownery?

[keeper03]

Yes, a whole squadron a year! Oh how!

[El Chuvachino]

I do not know why everyone clung to the spark, but we are talking more about updating the avionics and other improvements. ROFAR and engines of the second stage can also coincide with this modification.

[Alex777]

There are more questions with ROFAR than answers so far, but I like this:

On the fifth generation fighter, the hydraulic systems will be replaced by electric motors. This will reduce the radar visibility of the vehicle, increase its maneuverability and simplify maintenance. It is planned that the "electric" Su-57 will be able to fly in 2022. According to experts, the modernization will also make the fighter more tenacious when hit by missiles and shells.

[businessv]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Then 54 units should be delivered in 3 years.

In total, by 2027, the Ministry of Defense will receive 76 aircraft, which are manufactured by KnAAZ under a contract signed in 2019. Three aviation regiments are to be rearmed on the Su-57. The first production fighter was received in December 2020.

Simple arithmetic operations: 2027-2020 (1st serial) = 7 years, 76 (total) / 7 = 10,86 per year. It should not mean they will deliver, unfortunately, but this does not change the case.

[El Chuvachino]

It makes no sense to judge the entire series by the first commissioning works with results of 1 aircraft per year. This is the first thing. Secondly, further production, taking into account established production, will go much faster. Well, the third

Quote: businessv

It should not mean they will deliver, unfortunately, but this does not change the case.

Remind me when was the last time KnAAZ disrupted the delivery time?

And what doesn't suit you at all? This is already the largest and most expensive contract for fighter aircraft in the entire recent history of our country.

[TAMBU]

... 12 fighters a year. However, he did not rule out that with the start of mass deliveries of the Su-57 ...

it doesn’t pull even a small batch ... but to call these rates mass deliveries is of course powerful ...

[Stepan S]

it doesn't even make a small batch ..

Why doesn't it pull? This is not a corn truck, but a modern airplane. The plant has not increased in size over all these years and its capabilities are not unlimited. And then, after rearmament, in the case of a plant with a line for several dozen aircraft per year, what should the plant do? What to do with the workers? Do the pans again? This has already passed.

[TAMBU]

This is not a corn truck, but a modern airplane.

What is the difference? An-2 at one time was not the pinnacle of aircraft construction, but other tasks were assigned to it and the requirements for its production were different ... the comparison is inappropriate. Let's compare with the F-35 or F-22 ... is it possible with the Chinese ... or are there not modern aircraft?

The plant has not increased in size over all these years

well, so I emphasize this problem with numbers ... or is it not a problem?

And then, after rearmament, in the case of a plant with a line for several dozen aircraft per year, what should the plant do?

Maybe new planes?

What to do with the workers? Do the pans again?

The questions, like the answer, are a continuation of the previous one.

This has already passed

and again we will go through until we are not proud of one released per year, and then we will close everything and the shopping center will zababahaya on the site of the plant ...

Well, in order to close this topic, to confront a potential enemy, the production of this aircraft should be at least 20 times larger in order to catch up in pace. In the format of modern economic development in the Russian Federation, this is impossible. And this is without taking into account that you need to invent and build new ones ...

[S. Viktorovich]

The outdated SU-57 never appeared. New fairy tales have appeared.

[Flashpoint]

Quote: S. Viktorovich

The outdated SU-57 never appeared. New fairy tales have appeared.

Come on, now, if the family version would be announced for 7 seats, then yes - fairy tales.
Well, let's see. As already mentioned above, we have problems with stealth, the screws are visible and the blades of the engines, well ... I don’t know, for some reason they don’t correct the situation.

[El Chuvachino]

Obsolete is an aircraft developed in the 90s, launched in the 2000s and discontinued in the 2010s. Guess who.

[Kama74]

Which one is it? Which 184 units are in service?

[El Chuvachino]

Which are in service about 50% of the 187 produced, not counting the ~ 7-8 units lost. Even if there are 1000 of them, it's still outdated.

[shahor]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Obsolete is an aircraft developed in the 90s, launched in the 2000s and discontinued in the 2010s.

This is an analogue of the Su-57. Which we will have by the year 27. If the engine is finished.

[El Chuvachino]

Such an analogue that it does not know how to do anything more than launch V-V aimings and engage in mediocre bombing, well, yes, well, yes. The F-22 is exclusively an air supremacy aircraft, not an analogue. For the Su-57, the function of a fighter is one of many and with many times greater potential. The range of weapons is an order of magnitude larger. It flies further, faster, and sees better with a much more modern radar system.

And the Su-57 appeared in 2020, not in 2027. And the engine that meets the requirements along with it in mass production.

[shahor]

Quote: El Chuvachino

And the Su-57 appeared in 2020, not in 2027. And the engine that meets the requirements along with it in mass production.

It's good that you write, it appeared. Do you feel the difference with - appeared? One. And not in the ranks. And - weapons - absent. We do not know the composition of the avionics. The engine is non-standard, temporary ... Well, hold on, Raptor ...

[Tsoy]

what we have at this stage, specifically what the Su-57 is and how it differs from the F-22 and 35.
1) The world's first combat fighter with optional unmanned mode
2) The world's first fighter capable of carrying hypersonic missiles.
3) The world's first fighter with actually working stealth technology (none of the 57x transfers to the SAR were tracked by the radars of either Israel, Turkey, or NATO as a whole.
4) The world's first fighter capable of flying drones as part of a single complex
5) flight characteristics exceeding even the flight characteristics of the Su-35 of the most maneuverable MFI in the world.
6) Immediately after the Su-57 was put into service (December 2020), the production of the F-35 was completely stopped and their purchase was stopped. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
7) And this is only from the known

Wow...

[TAMBU]

what we have at this stage, and specifically what the Su-57 is and how it differs from the F-22 and 35:
Su-57 - 10 pieces
F-22 - 187 pcs. (approx - 90)
Ф-35 - 3500 pcs. (ok, only States - 2400)

at this stage that's all there is to know ... the rest is the lyrics.

[El Chuvachino]

Have you already built 3500 straight?

[Alex777]

Have you already built 3500 straight?

[TAMBU]

yes, I didn't get the data from there ... these are orders ...

for now - about 650 have been built ...

[Glagol1]

There is no point in building up the series at any cost. Firstly, with a stage 2 engine, the car will be clearly more interesting, and secondly, the product is so complex that haste can lead to trouble. One already crashed last year.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Glagol1

There is no point in building up the series at any cost. Firstly, with a stage 2 engine, the car will be clearly more interesting.

Most likely, there will be no problems with replacing Stage 1 engines with Stage 2 on all production aircraft. Dimensions and seats must match.

[Maks1995]

In principle, everything is correct. There are different versions - educational, double, etc.

But since everything is classified, the deadlines are missed, and the PR was absolutely impossible, now such news only causes a smile ...

[noct]

Quote: Thrifty

In general, not f35, not a Chinese craft, are not generation 5 aircraft, because they do not meet the requirements and criteria for the 5th generation of a fighter. The Chinese generally have problems with engines, they simply do not exist, the F35 cannot fly in supersonic for more than a few seconds, otherwise the stealth coating will come off like a stocking from a leg. Only F22 and Su57 are 5th generation aircraft.

And what is the stock of cons then?

[Kama74]

Maybe because it's nonsense?

[noct]

Quote: donavi49

And in the Su-57, in general, the screws are shining with their heads. And turbine blades like a Christmas tree. So, if you go according to your logic, the Su-57 is also not the 5th generation, though in stealth it is higher than 4 ++ (a key parameter, along with supersonic and AFAR).

How are you? The bolt heads are recessed and neither stealth reflection nor flight performance interferes with the word at all ...

[Eug]

Yes, cover them up.

[Eug]

Pull FGFA computers out of memory, modify them and - is it done?

[Wolf]

So if someone doesn’t betray, blind, SS 57 is waiting for a new I30 dvigatel, children that will come go to training centers. In between times they constantly improve, there are also sayings that the SU 57 has an electro-magnetic gun with a range of 5 km. In addition, 5th generation SU single-engine engines and ......
Su 57 in combat crew if you take into account potential enemies and their capabilities DO NOT NEED !!! Enough in the complete SU 35S and SU 30 CM2!

[Wolf]

Do you really DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR WOULDERS? ? ?
I wrote and not once there to the voivode about the time of the Gethites ALL THEY KNOW PERFECTLY AND COUNTED EVERYTHING !!!
EVERYTHING THAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE DEFENSE OF THE HOMELAND THEY HAVE DONE AND IS NOT ONLY ENOUGH AND WITH A LARGE STOCK !!!
If SU 57 was needed, there would already be more than 100!

[Zaurbek]

Just production problems, I'm afraid. Create a product 50% of problems, serial production - the second 50% of problems. In the Russian Federation, even the Su30 and Su35 are different machines with different gliders, although one concern, one design bureau ...

[mvg]

Agree with the comment below, bikes as usual

[Ros 56]

Of course, the rubber stretches a bit, but better than not. The main thing is to work out the technical process for the production of components and the assembly of all this variety into also a completely different fuselage, after all, the machine is completely different from the previous ones.

[Oleg Aviator]

I hope that everyone will do as they intended ...

[businessv]

Quote: El Chuvachino

And what doesn't suit you at all?

Why did you get the idea that something should not suit me ?! Have you created the problem yourself, are you trying to solve it yourself? I like that new planes are being created, but I don't like it when someone tries to present a case better than it really is! The Celestial Empire has already tested 22 J-20 samples! I simply replied to the post of the person that the speed of construction has already been determined, but by intervening in the dialogue, you are proving the opposite. I don’t need to tell you how much needed to be finalized in the car, this is obvious, but especially for people like you, I cited in my post the year when the first production aircraft was released and how many there will be in 2027.

[Piramidon]

Quote: businessv

The Celestial Empire has already tested 22 J-20 samples!

If they had survived our "perestroika", now, at best, they would fly the MiG-21.

[Alexander Popov_3]

What can the former unsuccessful show businessman Slyusar, who does not have an aviation education (analogue to Ragozin), create in the aircraft industry?
Who put him in this position?
What for? To ruin the last one?

[Pattor]

who knows. but I know for sure - everywhere there is a 2x rule. either you are a very strong specialist in your business, or a good manager. as far as medicine and factories are concerned. the head physician is a good specialist or a good manager, also a plant. in other cases, they go to the bottom. example: KBM, Kashin is a good manager and not bad as a designer

[Stepan S]

Rostec will present a fundamentally new UAC military aircraft at MAKS-2021.
The countdown to the plane's premiere was activated on the project page today at midnight. The presentation of the novelty can be seen online on the YouTube channels of the Rostec State Corporation, the United Aircraft Corporation, as well as on the project page.
Individual elements of the new machine can already be seen in the video published on the project page at - checkmate.uacrussia.ru

[Laksamana besar]

A single engine was noticed in Zhukovsky:

[Wolf]

Bad photos are not visible.

[smoltish]

Quote: VO3A

Three aviation regiments are to be re-equipped on the Su-57. The first production fighter was received in December 2020.

What kind of regiment is this with only 25 aircraft?
Will they get 2 or 4 this year? Are we expanding production too quickly? And what else did Slyusar tell you?
I wonder if a worker assembles 1 plane or 2 a year, he will not forget what to do and how? And the rest of the time he wipes the plane with a rag and gets paid for it?

Two squadrons in a regiment, that's why such a number.

[Zaurbek]

Su57 12 pcs per year will be produced instead of some kind of Su30-34-35? Or with them?

[Paradox]

Let's recruit beautiful women better. Shoigu will love it. And then these planes, whether there will be no women, Shoigu will have even more. Cool. ...

[babackov.eu]

Slyusar to send to the aircraft plant to help locksmiths SLYUSARIT !!!

[alch3mist]

"I brought you terrible news, Nadezhda!"

Effective managers have finished off the remnants of the social system at the Drys' firm. Such things do not affect immediately, but inevitably. This did not happen even under Poghosyan.

As for dear comrade Slyusar, when he was just "thrown" into the leadership of the PJSC, the person who saw him for the first time instinctively gave him a destructive characterization: "He is not baked."

[businessv]

Quote: Piramidon

If they had survived our "perestroika", now, at best, they would fly the MiG-21.

The fact is that they were smart enough not to destroy their own country, but we do not! Therefore, for me this is not an argument, but only a reminder of the saying, who learns from whose mistakes!