The influence of gender on the combat readiness of the US Navy

110
The influence of gender on the combat readiness of the US Navy

The first women in American navy became nurses during the civil war, although they were civilians and did not serve.

The situation changed in 1908 with the appointment of the Sacred Twenty. This first group of 20 nurses entered the service after Congress established the Navy Nursing Corps on May 13, 1908.



The first large-scale recruitment of women occurred during World War I, as the navy needed to fill a shortage of clerical workers onshore.

In an effort to recruit women into the service, Secretary of the Navy Josephus Daniels found a loophole in the US Naval Reserve Act of 1916, which permitted the recruitment of qualified "men."

Since then, especially in the last decade, most restrictions on the service of women in the navy have been lifted. They now serve in nearly every maritime community, from submarines to the International Space Station.

A warning


The author must immediately warn that this is not just a story about the sexual preferences of American sailors, but a study of one of the problems affecting the social climate and indirectly on the combat readiness of the US Navy.

The Department of Defense and the US Navy do not like to publicly discuss this topic, but nevertheless devote a lot of attention to this issue and spend significant resources on the fight.

Sexual violence has always been a problem, but in light of recent events, it seems that both its prevalence and the magnitude of the problem have received widespread publicity.

Causes


The most worried about the US Navy are not the officers, although there are problems with them too, namely the rank and file and junior command personnel.

Young men in military service are like any other young man in terms of their sexual energy.

In the navy, their "mature energy" can become especially intense due to living conditions in very close quarters for extended periods of time, sometimes in dangerous circumstances.

But even at the port, on patrol, or at a college dorm party, many young military personnel and students experience their age-specific attraction, exacerbated by the influence of alcohol and disregard for other social norms.

They may also have problems obtaining prescriptions or accessing various contraceptive methods at sea and practical experience using them.

Women


Now about 12 thousand women serve on the ships of the US Navy, but their number in the navy is constantly increasing.

There are about 52 women and about 000 men in the fleet.

The US Navy is now 19 percent female officers and 20 percent sailors.

This creates problems! The most unexpected.


Closed area on board an aircraft carrier

Currently, the Department of the Navy is distributing women on all aircraft carriers ... to premises in a "separate private restricted area."

There is a known case when one of the commanders instructed the personnel of an aircraft carrier:

“Dormitories for women will be closed to all men. Anyone who breaks this rule will be fined $ 20 the first time. "
He continued:

“Anyone who breaks this rule a second time will be fined $ 50.
If you are caught a third time, you will have to pay a $ 100 fine. Have questions?"

At this point, the senior sergeant of the Marine Corps asked:

"How much does the season pass cost?"

Marines



Marine Corps recruits take martial arts lessons during basic training in Parris Island, South Carolina

A Pentagon poll found higher rates of sexual violence against women in the Marines than in other military forces.

Back in 2017, a scandal erupted involving 30 male Marines and veterans of the Marine Corps on a secret Facebook group, who, among other things, shared “naughty” images of identifying information of female Marines.

The service supported photo sharing through a closed Facebook group called Mike Uniform. Common files called "Girls of MU" - included over 3800 photographs and videos of women, including female military personnel, naked or engaged in sexual activity.

The women, primarily active and retired Marines, were understandably outraged.


US MP Young Fighter Course makes no exception for women

"Female Marines are the best of the best, but we are also treated as the worst of the worst."
- said Janelle Marina Mendes, a Marine Corps veteran and CEO of the Military Sexual Injury Movement.

"How can America trust the US Marines to protect our citizens when they can't even prevent workplace violence against female Marines?"

In the submarine forces


In October 2009, the Secretary of the Navy announced that he and the Chief of Naval Operations were actively moving towards a policy change.

Reasons included the fact that larger submarines had more space and were able to accommodate female officers.

The existence of qualified female candidates wishing to work in this capacity was also mentioned. It was noted that women currently make up 15% of the navy.

The change in policy was believed to be in line with the aspirations of women, the mission of the navy, and the strength of its submarine forces.

In February 2010, the Secretary of Defense approved the proposed policy and signed letters formally notifying Congress of the proposed changes. Having received no objection, on April 29, 2010, the naval department officially announced that it had allowed women to serve aboard submarines.

The first group of American female submariners graduated from nuclear energy school and officially registered aboard two ballistic missile submarines and two guided missile submarines in November 2011.

Currently, more than 200 women officers and about 300 military sailors serve in the submarine fleet.


Driver assistant weapons 2nd Class Jalissa Thornton, Blue Crew Member, Ohio-Class Guided Missile Submarine, Michigan

In 2014, a dozen men were involved in a scandal involving the filming of female crew members in showers aboard the Wyoming SSBN at the Norfolk Naval Dockyard.

Recently, naval leaders fired Gregory R. Kercher, captain of the "golden crew" of Florida SSBNs, for what, according to the order, “he failed to properly respond to rumors of obscene lists circulating on a boat with sexually rated female members. crew ".

History issue.

The USS Florida nuclear submarine has been overseas for two years. But just before returning to the base, a scandal erupted instead of a holiday.

The Florida Submarine is the second US Navy submarine to have female sailors. The crew consisted of 173 members, 32 of whom were women.

Just a year after the previous sex scandal erupted on the submarine, the "list of rapes" compiled by male sailors on the boat surfaced, causing an outcry in the naval community and in American society at large.

In May 2019, the US Navy's website published the results of an investigation into the "USS Florida nuclear submarine scandal."

This 47-page legal document traces the entire incident from the earliest possible moment.

In 2018, shortly after the women sailors boarded the submarine, the men collected and printed the names of all 32 of their fellows and began building harassment with them, rating their performance "by the stars."


On board a Virginia-class submarine

But officials say the overall process of integrating women into the submarine has gone well, with about one in five members of the team being women.

What does this have to do with the shipbuilding plans?

It turns out - straight!

First problem


Submarine design changes.

Every submarine in the US Navy has been designed with height, reach, and strength in mind, from valve placement to screen slopes. This will change.

With women aboard submarines now, the defense contractor Electric boat, at the request of the fleet, develops the first submarines built specifically to accommodate female crew members.

Constructors and designers do the obvioussuch as adding more doors and latrines, creating separate sleeping and bathing areas for men and women and giving them more privacy.

But they also make more subtle modifications like they lower some of the overhead flaps and make them easier to turn, and they install steps in front of bunk beds and stacked washing machines.

The first PLA built with these new features USS New Jersey (SSN-796) of the Virginia class will go into service in 2021. The construction of its building was already completed in February 2021.

Pregnancy


The US Navy is facing the unexpected problem of soaring pregnancies.

Reliable data is only available for past years.

In 2016, 16 percent of women in the US Navy were decommissioned due to pregnancy.

"These are hundreds of women who have interrupted their military service, creating additional problems for their ships, military budget and combat readiness."

In addition, the rise in the number of pregnant women calls into question the noble goals of gender mainstreaming proclaimed by former President Barack Obama.

Transferring one pregnant female specialist from ship to shore costs the US budget $ 30, according to Yude Eden, author of a book on women in the military. In terms of the fleet, this amount has grown by over 100 million per year.

"Apart from the cost, it creates gaps in the combat schedule, forcing other people to do their job."

At the same time, the Pentagon has not yet succeeded in planning the pregnancy of female sailors and preparing their replacement in advance.

In January 2015, 3335 women aboard US warships were pregnant. In August 2016, their number reached a record 3840. The Obama administration concealed the existence of the problem so as not to undermine the president's idea of ​​"gender equality in the military."

Motivation


The commanders are also reluctant to talk about this, but they assume that many women are resorting to their gender advantage associated with pregnancy and motherhood to avoid military service.

At headquarters it is even more dangerous.

Dangerous areas.

The most dangerous place in Naples is the Headquarters of the 6th US Navy.

The Sixth Fleet Headquarters acts as a unified organization with the American Naval Forces headquarters in Europe. The Fleet Commander is also the Deputy Commander of the US Naval Forces in Europe (COMNAVEUR).


And the command of all this since March 2018 is Vice Admiral Lisa M. Franchetti, who, thanks to her service experience, knows and understands the women's issue in its naval aspects.

Faced with staggering levels of unplanned pregnancies, the Navy has launched a family planning awareness and information campaign.

The US Navy has expanded the number of contraceptive clinics to make contraception more affordable and convenient, and to reduce unwanted pregnancies.

One of the most recent opened at the US Navy Hospital in Naples, where military personnel and women and teenagers can receive a variety of contraceptives, including long-acting reversible contraceptives (LARC), and implants, without prior appointment or referral.

“This new clinic concept was designed to meet unmet patient needs in order to reduce barriers to care, expand access for our beneficiaries and ultimately improve the preparedness of our members and their families,”

Said Captain Cristina Morocco, midwife in Naples.


Naples is the second contraceptive clinic in Europe after the clinic at the Rota naval base in Spain

In total, there are now about 25 such clinics run by the Navy, including the Marine Corps clinics.

Prevention


Hired by the Navy in 1999 to teach HIV prevention and treatment, Dr. Bob McDonald realized that sailors and Marines weren’t too interested in talking about sexual issues.

But at the same time, they really wanted to discuss an unplanned pregnancy.

So MacDonald, the civilian in charge of the Navy's health care activities, began collecting data on this topic. He found that the military's unwanted pregnancy rate was higher than he expected, given the medical care and access to contraception available to sailors.

This was a big problem. Unplanned pregnancy and childbirth disrupted the working life of Navy parents and limited their budgets, as well as worsened their health. The staff turnover on ships and in combat units increased, sailors were removed from ships as their pregnancy progressed. Such changes may have intensified as more opportunities have opened up for women.

MacDonald began developing a sex education / sexual health promotion plan called SHARP, or Sexual Health and Responsibility Program. Since 2004, under his leadership, it has become the most comprehensive program of its kind in the military.

With MacDonald's support, the Navy revised educational films to focus on the social consequences of an unplanned pregnancy and its possible career impact.

Seafarers began to be asked questions about sexual health through a web-based health risk assessment service. The Office of the Chief Surgeon of the Navy has incorporated sexual health criteria into its annual seafarers' health and wellness program.

With the support of the Navy's leadership, MacDonald has become an ardent advocate of free and easy access to all forms of contraception. He is particularly enthusiastic about long-acting reversible contraceptives, or LARCs, including a hormone-releasing implant that prevents pregnancy for up to two years.

LARC is 99 percent effective, outperforming 72 to 94 percent of methods such as pills and a vaginal ring (this is not an advertisement, but a quote).

But only about 15 percent of female sailors use LARC, so McDonald launched an ad campaign in collaboration with the Navy Medical Bureau.

MacDonald, using data from the Navy survey, found alarming trends.

He reported that two out of every three female sailors became pregnant while serving in the Navy. 36 percent said their pregnancy was planned, slightly less than women of the same age in the general population. Navy officers are doing better: 70% said they were planning a pregnancy.

Of particular concern to MacDonald were women between the ages of 21 and 25. About half of them had not taken any contraception before pregnancy. Most of these women stated that they did not use protective equipment because they did not plan to have sex. Other women said they didn’t want to use contraception or their partners didn’t want them to.

Combat readiness


The fleet is embarrassed by the persistent claims over the years that some women become pregnant only to avoid being sent to military service.

The sudden departure of pregnant women from warships seriously damages the combat readiness and morale of those who remain on board and must assume the responsibilities of the departed. Sailors expecting a baby should be removed from the ship from the 20th week of pregnancy.
The Navy officially considers pregnancy incompatible with military service, and women who became pregnant were previously automatically dismissed.

However, with the introduction of full contract manning in the army, the Navy was forced to introduce many lucrative incentives for men and women - including free housing, medical care, recreation and educational opportunities.

Nearly all women who become pregnant while serving in the Navy, whether intentionally or unintentionally, remain in the service before and after childbirth, according to Lieutenant Haley Sims, a public relations officer for the Navy.

In light of this, the Navy has recently developed a "family planning training program" that every sailor takes at boot camp. They learn about all forms of reliable contraception and are offered contraceptive choices. If they choose long-term contraception, they can go to the naval clinic before deployment.

Awareness month


This April marks the 20th anniversary of Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month (SAAPM). Launched in 2001, the month is held to raise awareness and help prevent sexual assault, harassment and abuse.

“Teams must never put up with sexual harassment, assault or retaliatory behavior. Victims need to trust the system and know they can report this behavior because the perpetrators are held accountable for their actions. ”

Sexual assault. Theory of the question


Sexual assault.

According to the explanation of the Ministry of Defense, the term “sexual violence” is defined as willful sexual contact characterized by the use of force, threats, intimidation or abuse of power, or when the victim does not or cannot consent.

This term encompasses a broad category of sexual offenses, consisting of the following specific crimes: rape, sexual assault, aggravated sexual contact, abusive sexual contact, violent sodomy (coercion of oral or anal sex) or attempts to commit these acts.

These offenses are defined in Section 120, Section 120b, and Section 125 of the United States Uniform Code of Military Justice.

Consent.

“Consent” is defined as words or explicit actions that indicate the competent person's voluntary consent to the sexual behavior in question.

Expressing disagreement with words or behavior means that there is no agreement. Lack of verbal or physical resistance or obedience as a result of the use of force, the threat of force or intimidation of another person does not constitute consent.

Existing or previous relationships, dating per se, clothing or behavior implicated in the sexual behavior in question with the accused do not constitute consent.


There is no consent if the person is asleep or disabled, for example due to alcohol or drugs or mental disability.

Theory of the question (according to the guiding American documents).

What is military sexual assault?

The main criminal offenses of sexual assault in the military are defined in the Unified Code of Military Justice (UCMJ), Title 47, Title 10, United States Code.

Since 2006, Congress has made significant changes to the articles of the UCMJ regarding these crimes. DOD's policy further defines sexual assault as intentional sexual contact characterized by the use of force, threats, intimidation or abuse of power, or when the victim does not agree or is unable to consent.

While some of the Department of Sexual Assault policies and programs may apply to US Department of Defense civilians and military dependents, the document focuses primarily on sexual assaults involving military personnel as alleged victims or perpetrators.

This includes active military personnel, cadets and warrant officers, as well as members of the reserve component who are involved in an incident during active service or inactive duty training.

How is sexual assault and sexual harassment defined in the military?

Sexual assault in the military and navy is defined in Defense Instruction 6495.02 as deliberate sexual intercourse characterized by the use of force, threats, intimidation or abuse of power, or when the victim does not or cannot consent. 16 The term used in these Guidelines includes a broad category of sexual offenses consisting of the following specific UCMJ offenses (Articles 120 and 125): rape, sexual assault, aggravated sexual contact, violent sexual contact, violent sodomy or attempted violence these crimes (Article 80).

Section 120 UCMJ (10 USC §920 (b)) defines sexual assault punishable by a military court for a member of the armed forces who,

1. Performs sexual intercourse with another person, -

(A) threatening or making the other person fearful;
(B) causing bodily harm to that other person;
(C) inspires a fraudulent belief that intercourse serves a professional purpose; or
(D) instills in any fabrication, pretense or concealment of the belief that the person is another person;

2. Has intercourse with another person when he knows or reasonably should know that the other person is asleep, unconscious, or otherwise unaware that intercourse is taking place; or

3. Has intercourse with another person when the other person is unable to consent to intercourse due to:

(A) impairment of perception by any drug, intoxicant or other similar substance, and the condition is known or should be reasonably known to the person; or

(B) mental illness or defect or physical disability, and the condition is known or reasonably known to the person.

Sexual harassment in the military is defined in 10 USC §1561 and includes:

(A) unwanted sexual innuendo, requests for sexual favors, and intentional or repeated offensive comments or gestures of a sexual nature when:

(i) such behavior is accompanied, directly or indirectly, by hints of dependence on the conditions of work, pay or career;
(ii) the submission or rejection of such conduct by a person is used as the basis for career or employment decisions affecting that person; or
(iii) the conduct is intended or caused to unjustifiably interfere with a person's work or create an intimidating, hostile or offensive environment ...

(2) Any use or approval by any person in a leadership or command position of any form of sexual behavior to control, influence, or influence the career, pay, or performance of a military or civil servant of the Department of Defense.

(3) Any intentional or repeated objectionable oral comment or gesture of a sexual nature by any Defense Department military or civilian employee.

Domestic violence


30 years ago, Congress passed legislation requiring the Secretary of Defense to develop a comprehensive policy to prevent sexual assault involving military personnel and to begin reporting annually on statistics and indicators related to sexual assault in the military (in the next article, we will discuss the latest report from May this year) ...

Since 2004, Congress has passed more than 100 regulations designed to address various aspects of the problem under the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA).

Control and Support Bodies


Sexual Assault Prevention and Response (SAPR) is a science-based and comprehensive program for the US Navy and Marine Corps that aims to prevent and ultimately eradicate sexual assault in the Corps while providing world-class assistance to victims of violent crime.

The Department of the Navy's Office of Sexual Assault, Sexual Harassment and Suicide Prevention and Response (DON SAPRO) provides expertise, policy, resources and oversight to prevent and effectively respond to sexual assault, military sexual harassment and suicide for the purpose establishing and maintaining a healthy culture in which every sailor, marine and civilian can thrive.

The office is subordinate to the Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Personnel and Reserves), who is also the “chief adviser” to the Minister of the Navy on all matters of sexual violence, sexual harassment of military personnel, and suicide prevention and response.


Ms Melissa E. Cohen, Director of the Department of the Navy for Sexual Assault, Sexual Harassment and Suicide and Response

The Navy has an established support structure for victims of sexual assault so that they can report incidents and get the help they need.

Doubts of Congressmen


The potential threat of sexual violence against military personnel has been part of the debate over whether women should be allowed to serve in the military and perform certain combat functions.

This debate frequently referred to concerns that “women could be captured and potentially sexually abused by enemy forces”.

However, the threat of sexual violence comes not only from aggressive men, but, albeit much less often, from women themselves.

Conclusions


Most (male) Navy leaders believe that the policy of increasing the number of women on ships has ended in failure.

"It is bad policy to think that the ship should be on alert and then have to remove women from it because of their pregnancy - something needs to be done to control the behavior."
Melissa E. Cohen

Lessons from the American Experience


Given the experience of employing women and LGBT people in the US navy, the challenges this creates should be borne in mind.

Let me explain with the most obvious example.


Thus, a harmless obscenity, which, as you know, is not used to swear at the Russian navy, but is spoken about, is interpreted as a form of sexual harassment (see 10 USC §156).

His exclusion from team practice reduces the intelligibility of the senior boss's instructions, which is unacceptable in our conditions.

And although the severity of the law can be compensated for by the non-binding nature of its implementation, for the commanders these concerns are clearly useless.
110 comments
Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. +23
    20 July 2021 11: 07
    Most (male) Navy leaders believe that the policy of increasing the number of women on ships has ended in failure.
    "a woman on a ship - to trouble"
    If you are caught a third time, you will have to pay a $ 100 fine. Have questions?"
    At this point, the senior sergeant of the Marine Corps asked:
    "How much does the season pass cost?"
    Our person.
    1. +4
      20 July 2021 11: 22
      The problems of the American Kriegsmarine, me, as well as the Ukrainian Luftwaffe, are of little interest, but also can not but rejoice! The main thing is that this disgrace does not happen to us according to the behest of the wisest Queen: "There is no place for women in space (fleet, tank, etc.)" laughing
      1. -2
        20 July 2021 12: 09
        Yes, even if they recruit disabled people to the fleet, the combat effectiveness of the US Army will not improve.
        1. 0
          21 July 2021 16: 05
          Vend. There are many ultramodern Americans who pose as women. They will definitely not get pregnant!
      2. +1
        20 July 2021 13: 54
        Quote: Finches
        The main thing is that this disgrace does not happen to us according to the behest of the wisest Queen: "There is no place for women in space (fleet, tank, etc.)"

        In the Soviet Navy there were no women on the ships, but on civilian ships, especially in the fishing fleet, they were not in a single quantity. When I was a chief on a floating base, there were more than 218 women out of 20 crew members, and flights for 6 months or more, but there were no problems, everything went on peacefully. Although between the "ladies" themselves there were always problems that were solved, if there was communication with this contingent, within 10 minutes. True, there were some who ran to the party committee, trade union committee on the shore and demanded an apartment for "a child conceived on a ship, and now a single mother. And most importantly, they silently gave a one-room apartment and everyone was happy.
        Well, Americans cannot solve simple everyday problems.
        1. +3
          20 July 2021 23: 21
          On a civilian ship:
          1) The crew is much smaller, which means there are much fewer problems with accommodation, a separate latrine on the ship of 30 crew members and the ability to take another 20 passengers if necessary (you never know, accompanying the cargo) will definitely not be a problem. A floating base is considered a floating town with production workshops.
          2) No need to jump and fight if need be. I do not even touch upon the aspects of behavior in combat between women and men, if women are with them.
          3) Crews of warships are made up of, in the most literal sense, young males about which N. Drozdov told in the program "In the world of animals", in civilian life, people are both married, and many are aged.
          1. +2
            20 July 2021 23: 29
            Quote: EvilLion
            aspects of behavior in battle between women and men, if women are next to them.

            And how do men behave in battle when women are around?
            Quote: EvilLion
            The crews of warships are made up of literally young males.

            Something you are drawing some kind of unreasonable non-standard animals and not men. Men generally run wild because of the absence of women, and not from their presence. If these are normal men
            1. +3
              21 July 2021 00: 31
              From the presence of women and not having access to them, they run wild even more.
          2. 0
            21 July 2021 09: 42
            Quote: EvilLion
            On a civilian ship:
            1) The crew is much smaller, which means there are much fewer problems with accommodation, a separate latrine on the ship of 30 crew members and the ability to take another 20 passengers if necessary (you never know, accompanying the cargo) will definitely not be a problem. A floating base is considered a floating town with production workshops.

            I got your idea, but it is forbidden to carry more than 7 passengers on cargo and fishing vessels, in order to transport more you need to have a passenger certificate, but it is almost impossible to get it, other supply standards, other rules on life-saving appliances, and much more. Of course, they took passengers for the industrial ships, but they had all the maritime documents, and they were drawn up by the crew members.
    2. +12
      20 July 2021 11: 38
      Quote: SERGE ant
      "a woman on a ship - to trouble"

      Taperich, you see, you really need to say:
      The woman on the ship - to the bidet. laughing
      1. 0
        20 July 2021 14: 14
        Quote: Herrr
        Taperich, you see, you really need to say:

        Bida, this is when the commander of a Norwegian frigate - a woman, drowned her frigate in a fiord.
  2. +10
    20 July 2021 11: 13
    Given the experience of employing women and LGBT people in the US navy, the challenges this creates should be borne in mind.
    Given this experience, the appearance of LGBT people in our fleet should be completely excluded. Well, they are in Fig.
    1. Alf
      +6
      20 July 2021 19: 32
      Quote: SERGE ant
      Given this experience, the appearance of LGBT people in our fleet should be completely excluded. Well, they are in Fig.

      The minus was clearly given to you by a representative of this multicolored category.
    2. +5
      21 July 2021 04: 01
      Quote: SERGE ant
      we should completely exclude the appearance of LGBT people in our fleet. Well, they are in Fig.

      And here, by the way, is a man officer who declared himself a woman. Skirt, women's shoes - everything is as it should be.

      Along the way, such a separate cabins on warships, or such a peasant, together with the women, will live in the women's quarters and walk with them to the shower room - this is a practical question for globalists.
      1. +8
        21 July 2021 06: 43
        Quote: Comrade
        Along the way, such on warships separate cabins

        Better yet, a separate ship. And it is not clear who to fear more, an enemy or such a "colleague". laughing
      2. +1
        23 July 2021 10: 30
        You just didn't get it! The guy cleverly bypassed the problem of access to the "closed zone"! lol
  3. +4
    20 July 2021 11: 15
    The female body is different from the male. It turns out that on a monthly basis, (for example) a part of the crew will be "unready"? In connection with .... how to put it more tactfully ..) Well, you understand me .. And what to do? Cancel a ship out to sea?
    that is: the planned launch of such and such (cruiser, destroyer) is canceled due to the "illness" of the navigator, chief officer, acoustician, miner or torpedo operator Mrs. Johnson, for example ...
    1. +1
      20 July 2021 11: 27
      The female body is different from the male.

      Yes, this is not the point, but the point is in male hormones. Why was it previously forbidden to serve women on ships? The male fight for the female (beautiful girl = beautiful children) is at the genetic level and always takes precedence over discipline.
      And then, the narrow-minded, decided to joke on instincts)))
      And these same narrow-minded (globalists) are planning our future on the scale of humanity)))
      1. +2
        20 July 2021 13: 08
        When I was still in the USSR, we had telephonists and warrant officers-technicians in the workshops, I personally know a woman who was a technician for armament of the MIG.
        There were no conflicts.
        1. Alf
          0
          20 July 2021 19: 34
          Quote: Avior
          When I was still in the USSR, we had telephonists and warrant officers-technicians in the workshops, I personally know a woman who was a technician for armament of the MIG.
          There were no conflicts.

          But not in combat units and not in closed volumes.
      2. +1
        20 July 2021 14: 44
        The male fight for the female (beautiful girl = beautiful children) is at the genetic level and always takes precedence over discipline.
        Yes, look at the pictures of these American women! What is there to fight for? !!!!!!
        1. Alf
          +1
          20 July 2021 19: 34
          Quote: AKuzenka
          The male fight for the female (beautiful girl = beautiful children) is at the genetic level and always takes precedence over discipline.
          Yes, look at the pictures of these American women! What is there to fight for? !!!!!!

          Who is the mare's bride ...
        2. 0
          20 July 2021 20: 33
          Quote: AKuzenka
          Yes, look at the pictures of these American women! What is there to fight for? !!!!!!

          Experience shows - in limited conditions in mixed groups, a struggle begins for the rhyme to the word where. Regardless of the expression on his face ...
          By the way, besides the bespectacled girls with a log from the KMP, the rest are quite pretty to themselves.
        3. 0
          20 July 2021 23: 22
          As it was in one Amer. comedy about prison: "first you need to lower the requirements."
        4. 0
          24 July 2021 11: 42
          from this point of view, the position of the owls is interesting. science fiction writer Ivan Efremov. he believed that beauty is a purely functional moment. for example, thick eyebrows, which means less sweat gets into the eyes, and does not interfere with looking. long legs, which means a person runs well, which means he can catch up with prey or can run away. that is, beauty is a derivative of functionality. somewhere like that.
          then it turns out that these pid @ races, non-functional, and should die out
  4. +3
    20 July 2021 11: 25
    I read that the mixed combat units showed less combat resistance, and because of the men, they saved the wounded women at the cost of disrupting the combat mission, it seems in Israel. Well, and unequal physical capabilities, although to a lesser extent. And the fact remains the massive refusal of female drivers to drive trucks into areas of potential fire during the first Gulf War.
    1. +1
      20 July 2021 23: 23
      they saved the wounded women at the cost of disrupting the combat mission


      And so it will be, when the female is near, the male seeks to protect her.
      1. 0
        21 July 2021 02: 57
        Quote: EvilLion
        And so it will be, when the female is near, the male seeks to protect her.

        This is especially noticeable in lions.
    2. +2
      24 July 2021 11: 50
      a friend told me that when they were being prepared for Afgan, there was a question in the tests. The machine gunner is wounded, if you do not help him, he will die. if you help him, he will survive, but while you are helping him, 2 your barrels and he will be silent. The unit will be destroyed. your actions?
      R.Y. God forbid, to resolve such issues.
  5. +11
    20 July 2021 11: 26
    I looked at the photo where four women's faces peep out from the beds, and as the sailor said - "There are no ugly women, there is little vodka, but I won't drink so much."
    1. +6
      20 July 2021 11: 55
      Quote: tihonmarine
      "There are no ugly women, there is little vodka, but I won't drink that much."

      And if they get drunk and take you into circulation? fellow
      1. +3
        20 July 2021 14: 54
        Quote: Dym71
        And if they get drunk and take you into circulation?

        "Run Vasya, run! And faster."
      2. Alf
        +1
        20 July 2021 19: 35
        Quote: Dym71
        Quote: tihonmarine
        "There are no ugly women, there is little vodka, but I won't drink that much."

        And if they get drunk and take you into circulation? fellow

        With a cry, Save yourself, who can run to the boat.
    2. +2
      20 July 2021 12: 18
      Poster on top - beauties !!! Moreover, it is clear that then there was a type of girls - as in the Hollywood movies of 1930-40.
      All the rest are below in the article -... well, only if it is very long at sea ...
      1. +2
        20 July 2021 14: 26
        I remember, somewhere in 1997, hanging out on the second expedition, I brought out a certain aphorism (maybe not me the first) - "If the women on the ships began to look beautiful, it's time to go home!" (c) I feel
        The first one was in the Northern Kuriles for only 4 months. The people "firmly endured" some of the inclinations of the female staff. He was faithful to his wives. but when we went for half a year, we turned off the light. The "lucky ones" crawled through the cabins of female crew members))) On the way home, then they walked and blushed laughing
        1. +2
          20 July 2021 15: 03
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          "If the women of the ships began to look beautiful - it's time to go home!" (c) I

          Axiom. We were working on the floating base for the seventh month, suddenly the master got up on the bridge and said, "Tikhon, announce to the people that the ship should be made for a marching ship, we are going home."
          I'm in it - "So they were going to work for another 10 days." He looked at me and said. "Yesterday a locksmith and a sailor got into a fight over the cleaning lady Antonina." All of us on the bridge almost sat on our backs, and only uttered "Nahuuazheliiii ???"
          And everyone understood, it's time to go home.
      2. -1
        20 July 2021 22: 00
        interesting movie minuser cut through ...
        Quote: your1970
        Poster on top - beauties !!!
        - beautiful? No options !!
        Quote: your1970
        Moreover, it is clear that then there was a type of girls - as in the Hollywood cinema in 1930-40.
        - poster amerskiy- means the type Hollywood 1930-40? Without options, they are all like that in the cinema of those years !!
        Quote: your1970
        All the rest are below in the article -... well, only if it is very long at sea ...
        -All the girls in the photo below are scary? Scary !! No options!
        at least mark what I disagree with
    3. +1
      20 July 2021 12: 54
      Well ... In a month, in the sea, in the ocean, you will rush to any hole, and if it is still pleasant inside, then it does not matter what it is outside. laughing
      1. 0
        20 July 2021 15: 06
        Provided what to do nefig. And in the sea-ocean, especially on the fishing line, everyone plows. Each in its place. From the last processor - work 8 hours in eight to the commander! Well, he is not something that plows, but his responsibility is the car.
        1. +1
          20 July 2021 15: 36
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          From the last processor - work 8 hours in eight to the commander!

          We went to the fishery, all 8 after 8, but it happened for a couple of hours more. The entire salary of a fisherman is from the tail.
          1. 0
            20 July 2021 16: 05
            I'm aware)) True, only to the basement - I went for 4 hours)
      2. +1
        24 July 2021 11: 55
        as they say, even if the muzzle of a sheep, if only n ...., human. threw the sheet over and forward ...
    4. +1
      20 July 2021 14: 15
      Yes. Our women are many times prettier.
      1. +2
        20 July 2021 15: 07
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        Yes. Our women are many times prettier.

        I was on the same ship, so there all the female attendants were sent 50 years and older.
        After the voyage to the tavern, Kolya Balamut's grandfather blurted out, "My wife, a staff picker, always sends old women to all the steamers where I work."
        1. +1
          20 July 2021 17: 03
          It's nothing ..)
          I somehow decided to make fun of my mother-in-law .. I was sad, for the sake of appearance. I miss you ... And I say to my mother-in-law: "Tatyana Vasilievna, let me change my wife too, for a younger one? Your son, after all, has found a third young woman. Why am I worse? But we are with you, we will not change mother-in-law."
          Mother-in-law with anger, already turned white. ))) Why don't I understand? I remained faithful to my mother-in-law.) (As a party card)
          1. +1
            21 July 2021 08: 50
            Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
            Mother-in-law with anger, already turned white. ))) Why don't I understand? I remained faithful to my mother-in-law.) (As a party card)

            My friend got married and ended up in "primaki", his mother-in-law just had fun with him. But he took revenge on her, they drive around the city in a car, and Vasya points to the window of the house and says, "Anna Iosifovna, you see the window, my mistress lives there." They drive on Vasya again "Anna Iosifovna, but my other mistress lives in this entrance." Mother-in-law also turned white, and then she saw Corvalol for a week, but stopped sawing.
            1. +1
              21 July 2021 10: 01
              One of my colleagues, his wife, has gold. She hates her mother. They quarrel constantly. Lucky man.))
              1. +1
                21 July 2021 10: 38
                Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                One of my colleagues, his wife, has gold. She hates her mother. They quarrel constantly. Lucky man.

                My third wife always stood up for me, and my mother-in-law also stood up for me (though she didn't pour out a hangover), but they lived together like a cat and a dog.
                1. 0
                  21 July 2021 14: 40
                  Mother-in-law is like a "sport lotto". You don't know whether you will win or you will lose. But as my godfather says, "the mother-in-law must be carried in her arms. But, in the cemetery ..")
                  1. 0
                    21 July 2021 15: 01
                    Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
                    But as my godfather says, "the mother-in-law must be carried in her arms. But, in the cemetery ..")

                    August 8 will be a year, 92 years have lived, the kingdom of heaven to her. The whole dacha hung on it.
                    1. +1
                      21 July 2021 15: 16
                      Lucky people
                2. 0
                  24 July 2021 12: 01
                  my friend has been married 4 times. after the last, as they drank, he said a wonderful phrase. * you know I wouldn't have lost anything by stopping at the first ...
        2. Alf
          +1
          20 July 2021 19: 38
          Quote: tihonmarine
          all female attendants were sent 50 years and older.

          But "like the last time." laughing
    5. +2
      20 July 2021 17: 50
      It will roll on the bottom shelf on the left. No vodka. wink ... As for the rest of the trinity, the amount drunk will vary. laughing
  6. +6
    20 July 2021 11: 29
    what One more article is missing: "The influence of the PMS on the combat readiness of the Navy."
    Do not consider me a male chauvinist, but I have always believed that women have no place in military units, and given that the number of men is at least 80-90%.
    While on duty on fishing vessels, such as BATM, BMRT, I learned about some problems in relationships in the crew among men because of the women on board (barmaids, cooks in the galley, sometimes fish workers).
    While serving in the army, he witnessed a "duel" between two officers (MSR and AZDN) because of a medical officer, senior medical officer. It was in the Vedeno district.
    How to solve the problem of women's military service in the army? Create separate divisions. Let them build "female submarines", "female tanks" and other armored vehicles ...
    1. +1
      20 July 2021 12: 59
      Well, you have been, but I spent a year and a half on BATM and RTM. hi Yes ... I've seen enough of course. In the last expedition in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, at one of the floating factories, some utyrk girls killed, dismembered and shoved into corners. (apparently did not guess to drown). Clearly, traces of some action were being covered up.
    2. 0
      24 July 2021 12: 10
      if I watched if I read it, I don't remember. woman partisan, so she said, * red * days will come. and nobody cares about it. stuck in a rag and either go or die.
      and elsewhere I heard that the Germans used dogs trained to smell menstruation
  7. +4
    20 July 2021 11: 36
    The "Soldier Jane" generation has grown up ...
  8. +5
    20 July 2021 11: 53
    In the Russian Federation, there are press services, press secretaries and departments for interaction with the media and generals in them. In the Ministry of Internal Affairs - Wolf, in the Moscow region - Markovskaya (at the age of 26!), In the SK - Petrenko. Looks like professionals ...
    And in the Russian Navy there are no problems with female military personnel! At the Polygon in Nyonoks there is an ensemble "Sea Soul", 3 adorable girls sing well. Here is just one of them - the leader of the ensemble, for many years he has been listed at the point in Summer Navoloka, where she has never been, not even for a minute. And who will send her there from Severodvinsk from a cozy warm new apartment? The wife of the head of the Polygon herself in the "Sea Soul" sings ...
    1. +3
      20 July 2021 12: 23
      Quote: Tests
      Here is just one of them - the leader of the ensemble, for many years he has been listed at the point in Summer Navoloka, where she has never been, not for a minute.

      So what? Did they come up with it yesterday? Or Tretyak served in a unit and occasionally went to play hockey?
      All my life there were dead souls in the USSR - CSKA, Dynamo, Lokomotiv and others ... Where like a turner / locksmith / company commander and others - in the intervals between work they went to the Olympics, yeah
      1. 0
        20 July 2021 14: 18
        Yes. Tikhonov gave them heat) Titles, apartments, cars were lied to - hockey.
        1. +1
          24 July 2021 12: 19
          and worked it out, but the present. and money and apartments, cars, but what's the point
    2. +1
      21 July 2021 10: 43
      Quote: Tests
      The Wife of the Chief of the Polygon herself in the "Sea Soul" sings ...

      And the other two are also the wives of the chiefs. Even at the checkpoint, ensigns, most of them are the wives of some chiefs.
  9. +3
    20 July 2021 12: 20
    Interestingly, in the FSB, there is a service that incapacitates American female military personnel? in the form of pregnancy. By the way, significant economic damage is obtained.
  10. +7
    20 July 2021 12: 28
    US MP Young Fighter Course makes no exception for women
    In Russia, life itself does not make such an exception.


    In general, equal rights must imply equal responsibility. There are also many in our army now who want to serve from the women's camp. Let them serve if they can.



    In general, if a war happened, there were basically two ways. Either you are at the front, or in the rear for the front. On this and it is necessary to do military service, for everyone. If you want and you can, you serve in the army, you have bonuses and benefits. You can not help but work out your own for the army fund, for those who serve in your place. Everything is simple and straightforward, and this is for absolutely everyone, including the "white riders". For everyone, the course of a young soldier, at least at the level of civil defense, and the oath as a citizen of his country.
  11. +6
    20 July 2021 12: 56
    US Navy faces unexpected problem of soaring pregnancy rates
    and really unexpected! Who would have thought? Women and get pregnant wassat
    1. +3
      20 July 2021 13: 44
      Anything can happen. It happens that a wife gives birth laughing
      1. 0
        20 July 2021 14: 24
        Especially when at the time of the alleged conception you jumped somewhere in the sea)) laughing
        1. +3
          20 July 2021 14: 27
          Moreover, a year and a half)))) laughing My ulcer has resolved, and I have a wife, she used to do it with me and my godfather, and now she does it for the whole collective farm laughing
          1. 0
            20 July 2021 14: 31
            Thanks for the anecdote! Yes I will put it in the register))) And a tip - you better enclose quotes and anecdotes in quotes. And then it is not clear at once what it is. hi
            1. +3
              20 July 2021 14: 36
              Yes, they are banned here and not for such that the enemy does not guess laughing
          2. 0
            20 July 2021 14: 33
            Even really, something is wrong with them there in the fleet, in the submarine fleet in the autonomous system for 2 years to see the ulcer has resolved from the entire crew)))) laughing wassat
            1. -1
              20 July 2021 14: 37
              A maximum of 2-3 months go autonomously. If there are divers, please check! If more - some unpleasant consequences occur in the body. I don't remember whether the composition of the blood is changing, or something else. On our "Sharks", taking into account the size, we tried to create the most comfortable conditions for the crew. And they tried to extend the autonomy, but something went wrong. If there are experienced divers, please comment or correct me soldier
              1. -1
                20 July 2021 14: 44
                There is one acquaintance who went to the nuclear-powered ships at the Union, the specialty of a nuclear reactor engineer, said that once they dived for a year and a half, he came on vacation and another one. But what does a person not stryndit for the sake of his importance, but at that moment we children with open mouths listened for what they bought for what they sold. As in the film 28 Panfilov's "They say you threw 28 grenades back to the Germans back? Why not sbreshut then tell you." And then with myself, "yes, and it was not 28, but only 4" I had a friend, I served in Afghanistan, I was wounded and my neighbors whom you listen to, it happens and people are led to believe request
                1. 0
                  20 July 2021 14: 47
                  stopudovo lied))) A year and a half in a solid case? No.
                  1. 0
                    20 July 2021 14: 51
                    Maybe where they went for replenishment before, the union also had enough bases, these also chatted for 2 years somewhere, they have the same bases as that guy of the makhorka, it’s after 2 years all the gimmicks surfaced
                    1. -1
                      20 July 2021 15: 00
                      It's not about restocking. Here the crew needs a rest - "to take a walk on the grass, breathe fresh air, but it is stupid to sleep normally for a week without worries, duties and other things. Believe me. I have a personal record of 196 days without calls. Just on a trawler. At least there you can go out for a smoke when there is a desire to see the sky, the sun, and that, it was hard in constant tension, watches, cellars at the factory, something breaks down - you need to fix it regardless of the state and time of day (communication must always work) and many other factors. And to sit in a solid case, even 2-3 months ... br-r-r-rr ... They are heroes! Submariners !!! And yes, even in the USSR there were not many foreign bases capable of receiving and servicing nuclear submarines . If not at all. Surface ships - the same Cam Ranh in Vietnam, then yes ...
                      1. +1
                        20 July 2021 15: 13
                        Agree Yes My friend on a dry cargo ship has already grown to the 3rd promoter of the captain, if I don’t confuse the position, he concludes a contract for 5-7 months mainly goes to Africa and yes, under loading and unloading for a month in ports, he also told amusing cases, and submariners are definitely not real for one and a half years, as it was on a business trip to the boondocks without days off 2 months so there in a month the lid of the teapot was torn apart from the people of the family 2 nesting dolls were falling apart laughing went as painters and brought them to their husbands in the hem laughing
                      2. -1
                        21 July 2021 09: 03
                        It seems to me that the matter is not in the need for the crew to rest - it was always a matter of deep shit for everyone. There were rumors that after 90 days of autonomy, the allowances for special conditions of service doubled and the post-hike rest doubles. Apparently, therefore, they always did not cross the threshold for 90 days, they gave the radio from the shore that the military service was over, and calmly left the boat to somersault in the ranges further. As an option - to drive them to another base to overload missiles and send them to firing for another week. Well, even if you're lucky and arrived on time - hello, coastal outfits.
                      3. +2
                        21 July 2021 10: 55
                        I think
                        but for me, no. It does not seem. With constant stress, fatigue accumulates, attention is scattered, all sorts of important details are overlooked, indifference increases, nervous exhaustion begins. As a result, the wrong button was pressed, the wrong open / closed valve, the rudders of the dive were shifted to the wrong angle, the rudder was put on the wrong side, etc. A boat can go many thousands of miles with one filling of the reactor. But the person still cannot.
                      4. +1
                        21 July 2021 20: 38
                        Yes, I agree with you. You get tired like the last bastard. Our commander, after the battle, always punched for the crew “three days to plunder the city,” as he put it. And at home at 3:15 in the morning (I was on the second shift from 4 to 8) you stand by the refrigerator and stupidly realize that you are at home and you do not need to be on duty. True, three weeks pass ...
                      5. -1
                        21 July 2021 21: 21
                        In general, after the contract, while talking on the (still wired) phone, I tried to press on an imaginary push-button and said "reception", "accepted", "end of communication" laughing
                      6. +1
                        21 July 2021 20: 45
                        A person can, but he gets tired. My first two autonomous systems, my wife shied away from me when she was not used to meeting me, says you are gray and scary.
                      7. -1
                        21 July 2021 21: 19
                        Thank you for understanding drinks I'm not a submariner. Rather, a surfboard) But what are "torn modes" and when for two months you sleep a maximum of four hours a day, or when you go through a storm on a rusty creaking trough of the "river-sea" type in winter and track every degree of roll and trim with your hide, and do you think - "will it knock you to shit or break on the wave? and the water is already +2 heat, and PSNs have not been tested for two years, and the engines on the bots do not start, and there are only 8 hydro-thermal suits for 25 snouts on board, and they are locked in the room hospital, and your SOS for 500 kilohertz someone can hear it. Provided that you have time to apply, and the onboard network will not be shut down, and emergency batteries of release 197 .... of the forgotten year, three minutes of transmission (maybe) will last) )) But, all the same, surface watermen)))) There are still more chances than the guys from the submarine. Whatever you say! So - "For those who are in the sea!" drinks soldier
                      8. -1
                        21 July 2021 21: 22
                        my ex complained that in a dream I swear and grit my teeth))))
                      9. 0
                        22 July 2021 13: 57
                        At the border guards who took over the shift, at border crossing points, at the inspection, the work schedule is 20 minutes, 20 minutes of rest, attention is dulled in 20 minutes, now the season of the seas of buses, buses is dark, trucks are also queued in a kilometer, 4 lanes, 2 for cars, the flow is simple horror, 6 hours passed the border by car in one direction and 5 in the other. My aunt in the car almost died from the heat, I was already thinking of going to the border guards to call an ambulance, but a little bump was driving and we were released. Then I lay in a layer for a day, 15 minutes before the house I almost knocked out while driving.
  12. 0
    20 July 2021 15: 17
    rightly let the women miss the logs and give up faster.
  13. +2
    20 July 2021 15: 21
    "to meet unmet patient needs"
    Strong turn of speech :)
  14. +1
    20 July 2021 15: 25
    "This debate frequently referred to the concern that 'women could be captured and potentially sexually assaulted by enemy forces."

    Again Petrov and Basharov ... :)
    3840 pregnant ...
    1. -1
      20 July 2021 15: 43
      You forgot about the newbie laughing but what about the newbie? laughing Without him nowhere laughing
  15. 0
    20 July 2021 15: 44
    The woman on the ship is unfortunately. but together with representatives of the LGBT disaster.
    1. AAK
      +1
      20 July 2021 19: 08
      Can't stand the competition? :)))
  16. -1
    20 July 2021 17: 41
    Well, considering that they are now cutting the standards of physical training in the army, they say, it's hard for women to pass them ... The madhouse is just beginning
  17. +3
    20 July 2021 20: 49
    There is one positive point in all these problems of the American fleet for American sailors - in the event of a nuclear armageddon, the surviving submarine can choose a warmer island and farther from the zones of radioactive contamination and establish a new colony. Or at least a tribe ... laughing laughing
  18. -3
    20 July 2021 21: 31
    Well done Americans solve problems and do not hide! And here everything is hushed up !!!
    1. 0
      22 July 2021 22: 35
      Quote: Anders
      Well done Americans solve problems and do not hide! And here everything is hushed up !!!

      Where in the text of the decision is that? In principle, it does not exist.
  19. The comment was deleted.
  20. 0
    20 July 2021 22: 53
    He served at the union in the DShB MP. A serviceman from the communications center was assigned to our battalion, I don’t remember the rank, perhaps a warrant officer. We joked about this all the time.
    I have never been in the ranks with us. Once the brigade commander ordered everyone to stand together with the battalions to which they were assigned. In short, we experienced a little shock: not a very tall woman (this is for us 18-20 years old, and so, in principle, a girl under 30 years old), on her chest there is a "float" for about 200 or 300 jumps. We had a maximum of 12. It turned out that he was a master of sports.
  21. +2
    20 July 2021 22: 58
    For visiting a man's part, you also need to fine)) equality is needed in everything))
  22. +3
    20 July 2021 23: 14
    They have not yet encountered desirable pregnancies during a real war. And so, the worse it is for them, the better it is for us. The main thing is not to repeat other people's nonsense.
  23. +1
    20 July 2021 23: 57
    In the first photo (we don't count the poster) there are four horror stories ...
    On the second, there are seven ... But one hid ... Apparently a full paragraph ...
    It drives the special forces into a swoon with one appearance ...
  24. +1
    21 July 2021 05: 06
    In Israel, all this has long been studied, including physical activity and endurance. The conclusions are simple - women for the army are needed only on propaganda posters, where they look gorgeous)))
  25. The comment was deleted.
  26. 0
    21 July 2021 12: 11
    in command of all this since March 2018 - Vice Admiral Lisa M. Franchetti,

    How much do I have at the sight of these ladies, persistent disgust. Is this a woman?
  27. 0
    21 July 2021 18: 41
    In WWII, they refused to go on the attack without unsuccessful ice cream, now also without gaskets ...
  28. 0
    21 July 2021 19: 36
    I am not against the service of women in the army at all, but only in selected positions. They don't have to be cooks, but service specialists who don't want to get involved in hostilities. Of course, there are exceptions, but in reality they are exceptions. This analysis only proves it. It is possible to reactivate two men per woman in the service.
  29. +1
    22 July 2021 13: 39
    I wonder how the Russian army prepared for this? When I come across the news, which speaks of an increasing number of female cadets and military personnel, the question arises - why? From poverty in the civilian world, a dream, or something else?
  30. +1
    22 July 2021 22: 32
    in almost every maritime community, from submarines to the International Space Station.
    ISS?
    where military personnel, both women and adolescents, can obtain a variety of contraceptives
    teenagers? You read and in my head there is a feeling of some kind of mental illness of the author of the text. Some kind of nonsense is involved, subtle, but slips. For example, where does contraceptives and sexual assault have to do with it? How is this related? Like if you put on "product number 2" and there will be no sexual violence? Where is the logic? And so throughout the text. I didn't finish reading, just water.
  31. 0
    26 July 2021 07: 11
    What% of the crew was dumped from the destroyer "Donald Cook"? Somehow it strangely coincides with the% woman in their fleet. Well, this is not a statement, this is, so, for reflection ... ABOUT THE READINESS.
    And how can you forbid a man to be a man when a woman is very close? Are they critics or lawyers with their political correctness?
  32. 0
    4 September 2021 10: 33
    The two sailors of a comrade decided to find comfort in the women's cabins. They go to the ladies, so they looked at these "beauties", looked at each other and returned to their room. This is how the first gay sailors appeared in the US Navy.
    1. 0
      12 September 2021 16: 05
      looked .. and one said to the other: John, even you are prettier .. :)
  33. 0
    12 September 2021 16: 04
    aunts specially go to the army to first (as in the movies) wash in the same shower room with the men, and then put these men on the grandmother for "harassment" .. :)