Poroshenko's company in Ukraine is accused of supplying low-quality armored boats for the Ukrainian Navy

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Currently, the Ukrainian State Bureau of Investigation is conducting an investigation into criminal acts that caused damage to the state in the amount of half a billion hryvnia (1,35 billion rubles). Its employees have already conducted a number of searches of the defendants in the case, during which large sums of money were seized. There were also arrests of the director of the "Forge" Valery Shandra and two former high-ranking officials of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense. There is also the question of the arrest of ex-deputy head of the military department Igor Pavlovsky.

What is the suspect charged with?


According to investigators of the RRB, officials of the Ministry of Defense concluded contracts with Kuznya na Rybalskoye, initially unfavorable for the state, for the purchase of obviously low-quality military equipment at inflated prices. We are talking about the supply of armored boats "Centaur" for the "Nezalezhnaya" Navy, which cannot be considered a worthy addition even for the "mosquito fleet", Which Kiev has been dreaming of lately.



According to experts, the "Centaur" consists of some drawbacks. It is so small in displacement that its troop compartment (originally intended to transport 32 Marines) is a "natural gas chamber", as the military themselves say. It barely accommodates the personnel, and it is no longer necessary to talk about an additional load, say, equipment.

The speed falls short of 20 knots. The military talk about the "disgusting draft", noting that the armored boat "sits" on the water as if it had collected water from its intake. Reservation is able to protect, at best, from hits from small arms weapons... It does not add vitality, but the rest of the performance characteristics are significantly reduced. The armament of the boat is a separate topic.

"Overshadowed" from an idea that was not clear where it was gleaned, the designers of the "Centaurs" came up with the idea of ​​putting on them two aviation block BM-8 for firing 80-mm unguided rockets S-8. The range for these shells is 3 kilometers. It is practically unrealistic to hit them from a boat “dangling” on the sea waves on a small-sized target.

The crew is left to fire on the shore or large enemy ships. However, the problem is that the Centaur, who tried to approach such a target at a distance of effective fire, itself turns into an easy target for the enemy. In fact, the "Forge" turned out not to be a combat unit, but, as the Ukrainian sailors themselves say, a floating mass grave for the crew and the landing party.

There is nothing surprising here. When in 2016 a contract was concluded with the plant that belonged to the then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko, the local "craftsmen" did not have any boat project. They were going to "rivet" whatever came into their heads. Nevertheless, the contract was signed (moreover, on a non-alternative basis), and Kuznya immediately received an advance payment from the state budget in the amount of 80% of the order amount. The enterprise was supposed to complete it in 2017, but the first "Centaur" with great difficulties was launched only in the fall of 2018.

By the way, these boats cannot be considered fully adopted for service. Their factory tests were completed with grief in half in 2019, and the naval tests continue to this day, and it cannot be said that they were successful. Nevertheless, two of the three "Centaurs" planned for construction are already on the balance sheet of the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense - despite their obvious discrepancy with the initially declared parameters and performance characteristics. The money has been paid for them in full.

Petro Poroshenko, at the end of his presidential term, managed to get rid of the "toxic" asset, allegedly selling the "Forge" for $ 300 million to another Ukrainian oligarch - Sergei Tigipko. However, there is every reason to believe that this deal was fictitious, and the former head of state is still the true owner of the enterprise through which hundreds of millions were pumped out of the Ukrainian treasury.

In any case, the illegal actions that have now become the subject of investigation by the RRB were committed at a time when Poroshenko firmly held the reins of government in his hands both the country and the "Forge on Rybalsky". Will the increasingly hot scandal of the former head of state bring the former head of state to the dock? In truth, such a prospect seems unlikely. However, one should not forget that today's Ukraine is a country in which it is problematic to make predictions about events.
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  1. +5
    July 15 2021
    The budget was cut in full, and the life of a sailor is worth a penny ... such are the realities of a modern "European" country ....
    1. +2
      July 15 2021
      If we consider that Zela has graters with Vovk, the state courts are against the powder and they are likely to lose) because in the Ukrainian courts, whoever is more bullied is right) and now the judges themselves are interested in weakening the influence of Zela and Op through lost court decisions)) since Zelya is trying to oust Vovk and co, and deprive them of their influence on the judicial system)
    2. +1
      July 15 2021
      The desire to crush the nationalists is the reason for Avakov's resignation and the growing campaign against Poroshenko.
      The latter can also be declared (I would not be surprised) an "agent of the Kremlin."
    3. +1
      July 15 2021
      But Petya is in chocolate, and for all sorts of force majeure there is always an Izgail patchport in your pocket laughing
      1. +2
        July 15 2021
        Quote: Finches
        But Petya is in chocolate, and for all sorts of force majeure there is always an Izgail patchport in your pocket

        And there are doubts that Petya is on the territory of Ukraine.
      2. +2
        July 15 2021
        Well done, Pyotr Alekseevich! Support further, the "defense capability" of the Armed Forces. ) Our person!)
  2. +2
    July 15 2021
    Parasha itself is not of high quality. The boats are the same.
    1. +6
      July 15 2021
      Here Poroshenko is a fine fellow ... inflicted damage on the Ukrainian Armed Forces not by military methods ... keep it up Petya.
    2. +1
      July 15 2021
      Quote: Oleg Aviator
      Parasha itself is not of high quality. The boats are the same.

      Yes, there are so many cases against him that you can immediately plant, or even put against the wall. Only now they will not go to jail!
      1. +2
        July 15 2021
        Quote: Egoza
        Only now they won't jail!

        And most likely they will put those who want to put Petya in jail.
        1. +1
          July 15 2021
          Petya, like Chubais, belongs to the "untouchable" caste.
      2. +1
        July 15 2021
        Why plant him !? For the fact that ukram sells any rot !? Yes, he should be rewarded for this!)
  3. +5
    July 15 2021
    Not so many and snatched, if you throw at all.
    It was necessary to order an aircraft carrier (three). There is still no project, but 80% of the prepayment is ...
    1. +1
      July 15 2021
      The main thing is that the toilets remained in place in the latrines ... this is sacred.
    2. +3
      July 15 2021
      When Petr Alekseevich Hohloebidze ascends the throne for the second time, he will definitely order a literary bearer from his shipyards, and will not stand up for the price. He will cut down the money, and he will tell non-people about Viru, Tomos and the "sacred" NATO with the EU. And the pots will be paid for him, will be paid.
      1. +1
        July 15 2021
        Quote: Silver bullet
        When Petr Alekseevich ascends to the throne for the second time, he will definitely order a litacist from his shipyards, and he will not stand up for the price.

        The cartridge that has fallen out of the clip is not picked up.
        1. +2
          July 15 2021
          This cartridge is not from a pack of the proprietary Bayard system, but hand-made by Fox from the White House, and therefore will be pushed into the barrel again. hi
          1. +1
            July 15 2021
            Quote: Silver bullet
            and hand-made by Fox from the White House, therefore they will again push it into the trunk.

            Only an inexperienced and greedy shooter pushes the dropped cartridge into the barrel.
            1. 0
              July 15 2021
              Do you believe that the same rotten patron Miho Sahak just took it and came to 404 to steer the governor of the Odessa region? They picked him up, dusted him off and put him in the gun. And if necessary, they will clean the rust and again try to shoot the bear. And if necessary, Petya will be cleaned again, washed, cut and sent to the embrasure at least with a cartridge, at least with a can of gasoline, the main thing is that the fire near the border with Russia burns.
              1. +1
                July 15 2021
                Quote: Silver bullet
                Do you believe that the same rotten patron Miho Sahak just took it and came to 404 to steer the governor of the Odessa region? They picked him up, dusted him off and put him in the gun.

                But already they could not shoot with Miho Saaki. Miho was a defective patron.
        2. +2
          July 15 2021
          Quote: tihonmarine
          The cartridge that has fallen out of the clip is not picked up.

          I'm not sure ... How many cartridges lay on the floor at the weapon unloading site, and in the end everyone returned to the store. So it is with Poroshenko. Maybe it will be difficult for him to return to the presidency (but it is not excluded), and he will gather a hefty faction in the Verkhovna Rada. And it will be in the top list of the country, but without headaches, if it does not burn out from greed primitively on bribes and kickbacks. It has criminal cases, like a dog has fleas, but it always looks like from a resort, not like with the regalia of the president.
  4. +2
    July 15 2021
    Well, they'll blame a little more and forget, the giblets have a striped roof. wassat
  5. +3
    July 15 2021
    It was necessary to rivet such rickets for the fleet of fifty, so much smut now the fleet would have! lol Poor little fellow fulfilled the mission of creating imitation of warships, because they could build few of these pseudo-armored boats!
  6. +5
    July 15 2021
    What is Centaur? Undershoot and subhuman! So it probably happened with the boat.
  7. nnm
    +2
    July 15 2021
    Honestly, for all my "love", either to Poroshenko or to the bad guy, I did not understand the essence of the claims. There is a technical specification from the customer, which describes the characteristics of the boats. And they are either executed by the contractor or not. Cramped compartments, weapons, displacement, etc., if it was provided for by the customer's requirements, what questions to the contractor?
    It seems to me that this next case against the chocolate Peter Incognito was created more for the sake of political PR than out of the interests of the state.
    Really, after all, Ze decided to go to early elections in the fall ...
    1. +2
      July 15 2021
      Cramped compartments, weapons, displacement, etc., if it was provided for by the customer's requirements, what questions to the contractor?


      This is the desire to squeeze the MDK dimension out of the SV-90 architecture.

      But in general, the claims for miscalculations in the design of the building itself and the power plant are fair. The rest is just for fun. By the way, all these claims can really be made to the Raptors / BK-16 / SV-90. The armor protects against light shooting, the compartment is cramped, finding the boat even for a day with a landing party makes life extremely difficult for the latter, because there will be a queue even in the latrine. Well, the armament does not even allow a duel with a pair of machine-gun blasts from Toyota.
      1. nnm
        0
        July 15 2021
        But agree, colleague, in both cases, the questions should be to the customer, and not to the contractor (if the TOR is observed)? And the fact that the boats were accepted and introduced into the fleet indicates that the customer had no complaints about the execution of the technical specification.
        1. +1
          July 15 2021
          Well, then the customer wrote the technical specification for the contractor, because he was an asset of the President. There, a boat with oars would be accepted as a wunderfawel that alone would overheat the entire Navy.

          All the difference is in the basic approaches. Poroshenko knocked out contracts for his enterprises (Bogdan, Kuznya, etc.) and did there what enterprises can do.

          Zelensky prefers to buy weapons in the west for loans and programs.
    2. 0
      July 15 2021
      Quote: nnm
      Really, after all, Ze decided to go to early elections in the fall ...

      Zhenya Psaki said that the State Department has not yet decided the fate of Vaseline.
      1. nnm
        0
        July 15 2021
        Do you think it will be clear after his meeting with Biden?
        1. +2
          July 15 2021
          Quote: nnm
          Do you think it will be clear after his meeting with Biden?

          If invited to a meeting, then yes. Well, if not, then the outcome is clear.
          1. nnm
            +2
            July 15 2021
            Yes. I heard opinions that the United States postponed the meeting with Zelensky during the August holidays of the Senate and Congress, in order to tear him off one-on-one and make it impossible to flee to complain to lawmakers.
            But you are completely right, a couple more videos from Ze or Kuleba's performances with arrivals to the owners, and if there is a visit, it will simply take place according to the script of the porn film.
            1. +2
              July 15 2021
              Quote: nnm
              a couple more videos from Ze or Kuleba's performances with arrivals to the hosts, and if there is a visit, it will simply take place according to the script of the porn film.

              According to the scenario with unconventional methods. It looks like everything is heading for this, the new administration is looking for its own, new replacement.
  8. -5
    July 15 2021
    I don’t know how it was with tenders and other things, and with the correspondence of those received to the design, but in essence the claims to the technical side are solid questions.
    Does the author think there is armor like a cruiser should have?
    If this is a light landing craft, then the questions are only about speed.
    Protection from small arms, the possibility of striking the shore immediately before disembarking - everything is provided.
    And convenience over short distances is not the most important requirement.
    1. +1
      July 15 2021
      Quote: Avior
      And convenience over short distances is not the most important requirement.

      How to say. In what condition will the paratroopers who fell out of such a boat be? Suffocated, or even half-conscious. So what? "Go ahead!" ? Just like that and right away
      1. -1
        July 15 2021
        This is a short distance disembarkation boat
        Nobody provides convenience for such
      2. +2
        July 15 2021
        Quote: Egoza
        In what condition will the paratroopers who fell out of such a boat be?

        Here the whole question is from whom they learned to deliver the troops in this way. It seems that all the stages of their owners who carried their paratroopers on dry cargo ships in the holds of their paratroopers back in 2WW go through. There, they could not even go ashore halfway. And the question is for filling: And someone will tell you the structure of the Krajinsk divisions? And then the figure is some kind of strange 32 paratroopers ??? Not a platoon, not a half company ...
        1. +2
          July 15 2021
          Quote: NDR-791
          And then the figure is some kind of strange 32 paratroopers ??? Not a platoon, not a half company

          32 + 1 commander turns out to be "33 cows", but not Uncle Chernomor! )))
          1. +1
            July 15 2021
            Out of the water like the heat of grief
            At ten at the bohatyr ...
            In scales ... ??? tongue
      3. +2
        July 15 2021
        And in what will they be here?


        They have a single basic architecture - the Centaur was simply counted (and poorly counted, which is actually the only real claim from the RRF) for a large landing group. Since this is actually a MDK. If we take the displacement per person, then the Raptor and BK-16 - 21-19 tons for 20 marines, while the Centaur is 41 tons for 32 marines.


      4. +2
        July 15 2021
        Quote: Egoza
        In what condition will the paratroopers who fell out of such a boat be?

        If they still give it - "it will fall out.
    2. +1
      July 15 2021
      Quote: Avior
      And convenience over short distances is not the most important requirement.

      But what is there to break copies, a boat is always a boat, but simply "a self-propelled floating craft slightly exceeding the size of a boat" and not suitable for the name of a ship or vessel. This is the starting point.
  9. +2
    July 15 2021
    Alkonaut will come out - alcohol is lighter than water, therefore Vyproshenko is unsinkable. How many cases have been brought against him - and the result? wink
  10. +2
    July 15 2021
    While the skakuas were galloping with pans on their heads, Chocolate Petya was chopping the loot, so much so that chips flew ...
    1. +2
      July 15 2021
      Quote: Xlor
      Chocolate Petya was chopping the loot, so much so that chips were flying ...

      But so were the people with the shoulder straps, which the boats took. If you were shod with two shoes on one leg in the store, then there is no demand from the seller. He took it himself, and carry it himself.
  11. 0
    July 15 2021
    A meaningless set of information!
    Who was imprisoned in Ukraine under a corruption article ???
  12. +2
    July 15 2021
    Don Pedro Dneprovsky did everything right, earned money and pushed the bullshit.
  13. +2
    July 15 2021
    Money, does not smell like shit, thought Parashenko, and launched boats made of toilet paper.
  14. Excellent boats ..... just for the Navy laughing
  15. 0
    July 15 2021
    Now Poroshenko's party will whine about "repression against the European choice." They are the most European ones on second-hand Ukraine.
  16. 0
    July 15 2021
    The military talk about the "disgusting draft", noting that the armored boat "sits" on the water as if it had fence water.

    Nice typo. Correct.

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