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A series of incidents in the Lipetsk region: "The Blue Whale" is back

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Chronicle of the tragedy


A series of three teenage suicides in the district center of Dolgorukovo began on June 11 with the death of 14-year-old Maria under the wheels of a train. Before the suicide, the girl recorded a video message in which she explained the reasons for her act:

“Mom, hello. This video is for you, I love you. A new wave of "Blue Whale" begins, there will be many victims ... I played, I wanted to die at a certain period, when no one understood me, no one heard. Everything is bio-waste, I will be a burden for you too. I will not pass the exam, I am a freak in life. Mom, it's very hard to know that nobody needs you. Until. I love you".

As the investigators found out, the child was in the notorious "death group", which Russia seems to have forgotten since 2017.

However, Maria mentioned in the video that there are more than a hundred active followers of the Blue Whale in the Lipetsk region. At least 500 members of the suicidal community are known to have died in different parts of the country.


Source: telegra.ph

A few days later, Maria's boyfriend, seventeen-year-old Sasha, committed suicide. The scenario is similar - a teenager threw himself under a passing locomotive. The young man finished the ninth grade and was already studying at the local technical school. It is noteworthy that Sasha did not participate in suicide groups. He knew about the intention of his girlfriend Maria to commit suicide, as he could dissuade and even told his mother about it. After the death of his beloved, grief-stricken Sasha could not cope with his emotions ...

It should be noted that law enforcement agencies promptly reacted - on June 19 they detained one of the curators of the regional “death group” from Essentuki. According to psychologists, 19-year-old Bogdan Aslanukov is truly obsessed with the idea of ​​manipulating the lives and fates of minors through social networks. At school, and later at the technical school, Aslanukov was a real outcast, secretive and suspicious. In reality, he found himself in the world of social networks, when he managed to subjugate a lot of children's souls to his will. For the majority of the participants in “death groups”, 18–20-year-old people are already fully formed authorities who, with the proper skill, become tyrants-manipulators.


Suicide victims in the Lipetsk region. Source: vk.com

The creator of the Blue Whale analogue was under the close supervision of law enforcement officers for three years. Year Aslanukov was under house arrest, wore a bracelet, but was released under supervision. The investigation has to decide how much the curator was involved in the death of Maria and Alexander. At the moment, the instigator Aslanukov is facing clause "a" of part 2 of article 105 of the Criminal Code "Murder of two or more persons." However, common sense suggests that such individuals should have been isolated from social networks much earlier, even at the first signs of the supervision of "suicidal communities."

The third death of the child happened in Dolgorukovo, already when Aslanukov was in custody - on June 25, 15-year-old Larisa took her own life. She was a classmate and best friend of the deceased Maria. The handwriting of suicide remained unchanged - death under the wheels of a train. Everything began to resemble a series of pre-planned suicides under external control.

This tragedy forced the authorities to impose a temporary curfew in the district center, take control of every teenager and organize urgent educational activities for parents. The latter, as usual, was late - it took three childhood deaths before the local education authorities were concerned with the problem of teenage suicide.

Nya. Until


For the first time, they learned about "death groups" in Russia in 2016 from an article in Novaya Gazeta.

From November 2015 to April 2016, the author of the article "Death Groups" Galina Mursalieva counted about 130 suicides of children, which were caused by participation in the notorious groups. Foreign "colleagues" from The Sun added fuel to the fire by vividly describing the Russian disaster with child suicide. After the articles, the existence of public pages in which minors perform deadly tasks was directly associated with child suicides.

For a couple of years, Russian society was seriously in a fever over such information, but teenage suicides were by no means in all cases associated with the Blue Whale and the like. There are a lot of imitators on the Internet - "Quiet House", "Wake Me Up at 4:20", "Sea of ​​Whales", "Milky Way", "U19", "F57" and a bunch of similar junk. Whales and butterflies have become symbols of communities - the former are thrown ashore in search of death, the latter live for several days.

The scenario of involving adolescents in destructive amateur activities is simple and wild at the same time.

In a tough game that usually lasted 50 days, the curator assigned dangerous tasks to his followers. For example, cutting skin, listening to psychedelics and waking up at 4:20 am, climbing onto rooftops in the dark, and even self-mutilating. In a few weeks, the curator "zombies" the psyche and teaches the child not to be afraid of pain and death. The last task is usually suicide or, according to group terminology, "sawing out." Similar groups began to appear in other countries.

In 2017, the alarm was sounded in Brazil (query "baleia azur"), Poland, Czech Republic, France, Germany and even China. In the same year, the suicides of two young Americans were recorded, the cause of which was a local "death group".

The real theater of the absurd became история with "Quiet House". Allegedly, there is a deep level on the Internet, access to which only “non-stalkers” have. This level of "Quiet House" acts as a certain point of no return to the real world, after which the user completely goes into digital reality.

Simply put, a teenager, "cutting" himself out of the mortal world, is digitized in the "Quiet House". Such are the urban legends that have become, quite likely, the cause of many deaths.

A series of incidents in the Lipetsk region: "The Blue Whale" is back
Source: vk.com

The main driver of suicidal hysteria naturally became the Internet itself, like lightning carrying news and memes.

16-year-old Rina “Nya. Until". The girl put her head on the tracks of the approaching train. Suicide and the last post “Nya. Bye ”has become a guide to action for dozens of followers for a long time. It is not for nothing that children died in Dolgorukovo under the wheels of a locomotive.

This is a typical manifestation of the "Werther effect" or imitative (imitation) suicide. The term was introduced into psychological practice by David Phillips, drawing an analogy with the mass suicides in the 50th century provoked by Goethe's novel The Sorrows of Young Werther. The reference book of the participants in the "death groups" was, in turn, the work of Stacey Kramer "XNUMX days before my suicide."

At risk are adolescents from 12 to 18 years old who are not burdened with the attention of their parents and are actively involved in social networks. The years 2016–2017 were marked by the struggle against such groups, and certain successes in this matter were evident. Class teachers were required to conduct regular raids on the social pages of their students in order to identify suicidal tendencies. A "Cyber ​​Patrol" has appeared, explaining to parents the dangers that lie in wait for the child on the World Wide Web. As it turned out, the Blue Whales and their sympathizers were still there. They were exterminated from the VKontakte network, but they smoothly moved to instant messengers and Telegram.

So, on New Year's Eve, they barely managed to get a 14-year-old schoolgirl out of the clutches of death, who was finishing the deadly cycle of the Blue Whale game. Surprisingly, the curator of the suicidal public was 15-year-old Anna, who in the end almost fell under Article 10 of the Criminal Code of Russia ("Driving to suicide"). The curator's family escaped with compensation for moral damage, but the injured girl ended up in a psychiatric hospital.

Shocking reality


The story of the "death groups" would be incomplete without reasoning about the reality in which today's youth lives in Russia. According to the Demographic Yearbook, which is published every two years, 2016 children died as a result of suicide in 720, 2017 children in 692, and 2018 in 800. Data for 2019 and 2020 have not yet been published, but the commissioner for the rights of the child under the President of the Russian Federation Anna Kuznetsova speaks of an annual 2,5 percent increase in child suicides.

Russia occupies the infamous 3rd place in the world in terms of the number of child suicides. In our country, adolescents commit suicide on average three times more often than in the rest of the world.


Source: Depositphotos

Let's return to the tragic death of children in the Lipetsk region.

The first victim Maria was very upset by the divorce of her parents. Based on an interview with the team of the channel "Editing", the father beat the mother, and the unfortunate woman had to spend the night with her daughter on the street several times. It is likely that against this background, the child developed mental disorders, which led to suicide. The third victim - Larisa was brought up in an orphanage, and she was only recently taken into a foster family. More or less happily life until June 2021 developed for the second deceased - Sasha.

Was Masha's participation in the “death group” a trigger for serial suicide? The question remains open.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 04: 31
    +6
    Silly children, but what to expect from foolish children if "the state did not ask to give birth" and does not ask to "educate", and how to educate when there is a lack of time and energy, because money by itself does not appear in the wallet? So that:
    At risk are adolescents from 12 to 18 years old, not burdened with parental attention and are actively involved in social networks.

    it is useless to rely on the "state" and it is necessary through I do not want and can not burden children and grandchildren with attention!
    1. SERGE ANT
      SERGE ANT 19 July 2021 05: 23
      +21
      I agree, no matter how much work and other matters take away, it is necessary to make time for the children. Why does the tightening of the law stop the "death groups"? Yes, because there was no tightening of the law. Practically none of these curators sat down, got off with suspended sentences, probably it is worth for this to toughen the punishment, equating to terrorism. Directly in proportion to the task of the curator.
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 19 July 2021 11: 05
        +6
        Quote: SERGE ant
        Because there was no tightening of the law.

        Or because:

        With this muck, such as a blue whale, you must comprehensively fight. But no matter how this becomes the reason for the establishment of the digital camp, which is what our "servants of the people" so crave.
    2. Olgovich
      Olgovich 19 July 2021 07: 14
      -16%
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      state

      The number of suicides in the RSFSR, 198544,6 thousand
      The number of suicides in the Russian Federation 2019 2019 17, 19 thousand (Rosstat)
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 08: 16
        +10
        Quote: Olgovich
        The number of suicides in the RSFSR, 1985 - 44,6 thousand
        The number of suicides in the Russian Federation 2019 2019 17, 19 thousand (Rosstat)

        As usual, no links, because it is not profitable for liars.

        Due to the fact that in Russia there is a high mortality rate from "injuries with undetermined intent" (hereinafter - PIT) (headings Y10-Y34 of the International Classification of Diseases and Causes of Death), which, according to experts, can take into account a part of suicides, the quality of the official statistics raises serious doubts among experts.

        The possible underestimation of suicides in official statistics is evident in a number of regions, where the difference in mortality from suicide and EUI reaches unprecedented proportions. For example, in 2019, in two Far Eastern regions - the Sakhalin Region and the Khabarovsk Territory, where an unusually successful suicidal situation has been observed in recent years, the difference in the mortality rate from suicide and EUI was hundreds of times, 338,8 and 157,7 times, respectively ... .. The World Health Organization's estimates of the suicidal situation in Russia also differ significantly from the official Russian statistics. In particular, according to the WHO report published in 2019 “World suicide. Global Health Assessments ”, the real mortality rate from suicide in Russia in 2016 was 1,8 times higher than the official data.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 19 July 2021 08: 37
          -16%
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          report WHO

          what a devoted licker West. good

          Yes, of course, this non-Russian anti-Russian structure knows "better". For you and Psaki then - the authority, yes.

          Here's to you, yes, from the indisputable authority for you, from WHO:
          В 1984 year Russia came out on one andfirst places in the world according to the suicide rate (after Hungary) among countries reporting to the World Health Organization (WHO) on the number of deaths and the causes of their death.
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          As usual, no links

          link given - Rosstat, see also http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2004/0161/analit01.php
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          2. Vladimir_2U
            Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 09: 09
            +8
            Quote: Olgovich
            the WHO report
            what a devoted licker of the West.
            Wow, Olgych for whom the American-American figures of the "Holodomor" and the Polish-Nazi version of Katyn are holy truth, something gurgles about licking the West ?! laughing

            Quote: Olgovich
            link given - Rosstat, see also http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2004/0161/analit01.php
            Yes, wonderful, the link is Rosstat, and so only the same figures Vicki cites, with doubts about Rosstat, the same one that is lying about population decline and about low inflation.
            But what is funnier, just below 1985, the data for 1995 are given, and this figure is much worse: 60 thousand.
            1. Woodman
              Woodman 19 July 2021 09: 32
              -1
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              But what is funnier, just below 1985, the data for 1995 are given, and this figure is much worse: 60 thousand.

              Two questions.
              First, what did you find funny about the suicide numbers?
              Second: how does this contradict what Olgovich spoke about earlier?
              1. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 09: 39
                +2
                Quote: Lesovik
                First, what did you find funny about the suicide numbers?

                Suicide is sad, Ol'govich's "forgetfulness" is ridiculous.

                Quote: Lesovik
                Second: how does this contradict what Olgovich spoke about earlier?
                Do you not catch Olgovich's anti-Soviet and, therefore, Russophobic logic? Well, how, then, to cite a gloomy figure from the late Soviet era, to compare it with a very controversial, but much more benign “Putin” figure, “forgetting” about the frankly terrible “Yeltsin's” one. Well, and denying the controversy of the "Putin" figure.
                1. Woodman
                  Woodman 19 July 2021 09: 50
                  -5
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  Do you not catch Olgovich's anti-Soviet and, therefore, Russophobic logic?

                  Not. I catch Ol'govich's position regarding this phrase:
                  Quote: Vladimir_2U
                  if "the state did not ask to give birth" and does not ask to "educate", and how to educate with a lack of time and energy,

                  After all, you can't say that about 1985, will you agree? And Olgovich clearly, in two lines, showed that the state is far from omnipotent here. That is why his commentary contains precisely 1985 - the year when the country developed and grew stronger, when it seemed that there was a bright and predictable future ahead, and not 1995 - when the country was not only destroyed and even miserable salaries were not paid for several months and outright banditry flourished, so there was also a war that was not at all popular among the people and, accordingly, there were many more reasons for suicide than 10 years earlier.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 19 July 2021 09: 53
                    -1
                    Russia is now in first place in the number of male suicides.
                    1. Woodman
                      Woodman 19 July 2021 10: 04
                      0
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Russia is now in first place

                      I did not find such data (can you share the source?). I found several ratings where, according to the number of suicides, Russia is ranked 2-3 in the world, but at the same time figures are twice as large as those given by Rosstat. As an explanation for this discrepancy, I found the following phrase:
                      According to official statistics from Rosstat in Russia, 16 cases of suicide were recorded in Russia last year, which is 983 people per 100 population, but there are still great doubts about the reliability of this information, since mortality within the statistical error cannot decrease from such an anomalous speed in relation to 000

                      And personally, I still trust Rosstat more than unknown compilers of ratings with similar argumentation.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 July 2021 10: 37
                        -2
                        WHO statistics are adamant: Russia came out on top in male suicide. There are 100 male suicides per 000 population. The second place in this non-honorable rating was taken by Lithuania with 48,3 suicides per 47,5 people, the third - by Guyana with 100 suicides per 000 inhabitants. They are followed by Kazakhstan with 46,6 suicides per 100 citizens and Belarus with 000 men who voluntarily lost their lives per 40,1. Interestingly, women in Russia commit suicide 100 times less often. It is reported by Rambler. Further: https://news.rambler.ru/community/000/?utm_content=news_media&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 19 July 2021 10: 40
                        -2
                        I am writing about male suicides, not general ones. For what I bought, for what I sell.
                        https://news.rambler.ru/community/42895920-rossiya-vyshla-na-pervoe-mesto-po-samoubiystvam-sredi-muzhchin/
                      3. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 19 July 2021 11: 13
                        +3
                        You are a strange man. Themselves cited conflicting data from Rosstat, and you yourself admit that you have confidence in this "objective" office.
                        Well, the 2nd place in the world for suicides is not much better than the 1st.
                  2. Vladimir_2U
                    Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 10: 08
                    0
                    Quote: Lesovik
                    And Olgovich clearly, in two lines, showed that the state is far from omnipotent here
                    Olgovich has shown NOTHING except his anti-Soviet, and therefore Russophobic position, neither clearly nor in a nutshell! Because we are talking about modern CHILD suicides. Have you heard a lot about CHILD suicides in 1985?

                    Quote: Lesovik
                    That is why 1985 is present in his commentary - the year when the country developed and grew stronger, when it seemed that a bright and predictable future was ahead.
                    Those. Afghan, the beginning of "exposing the crimes of communism", the growth of nationalism, and he was in the RSFSR, did not affect the growth of suicides in any way? Let me not believe it. Unfortunately, 1985 only in children and adolescents evoked a premonition of a bright future, for me, for example.
                    1. Woodman
                      Woodman 19 July 2021 10: 22
                      +1
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Have you heard a lot about CHILD suicides in 1985?

                      Have you ever heard a lot about suicides in 1985?
                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Those. Afghan, the beginning of "exposing the crimes of communism", the rise of nationalism,

                      Sorry, but all this information came from the official media, and they were censored. Accordingly, infa was given in a metered dose. If you do not take into account the 85th, in the same table there is an 80th - the numbers are even worse. And the anti-Soviet, anti-Russian or anti-Honduran position does not play a role here.
                      1. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 11: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Have you ever heard a lot about suicides in 1985?

                        Imagine, I heard, and oddly enough about a colleague, yes, as a teenager, I worked part-time.
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Sorry, but all this information came from the official media, and they were censored. Accordingly, infa was given in a metered dose.
                        In the sense? Soldiers returning from Afgan, national cadres from Tuva, Bashkiria, Tatarstan and other autonomies of the RSFSR, is this such metered information or specific people on the ground? Oh yes, I forgot about hazing in the army, just the end of the 70s and the beginning of the 80s. and alcoholization, however worldwide.
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        If you do not take into account the 85th, the same table contains the 80th - the numbers are even worse.
                        Doesn't it seem strange in the table? After all, this is a table from the WHO (supposedly), so you need to believe the data from the WHO in 1980, but in 2019 it is no longer worth it, strange, right? Once again

                        Quote: Lesovik
                        And the anti-Soviet, anti-Russian or anti-Honduran position does not play a role here.
                        Yes, of course, attaching suspicious figures about the USSR to the suicides of adolescents in our time is terribly objective and does not smell of anti-Sovietism here, not from Olgovich for sure.
                      2. Woodman
                        Woodman 19 July 2021 11: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Doesn't it seem strange in the table? This is a table from WHO (allegedly)

                        Excuse me, but where did you get this from? There is no reference to WHO in either the Wik or the original article. There are links to statistical reference books and other studies. There are no links to WHO.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        add suspicious figures about the USSR

                        Nothing prevents you from "weaving" extremely reliable data (using the statistics of the same USSR as a primary source) in order to immediately and forever destroy Olgovich's "vile insinuations".
                      3. Vladimir_2U
                        Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 11: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Excuse me, but where did you get this from? There is no reference to WHO in either the Wik or the original article. There are links to statistical reference books and other studies. There are no links to WHO.
                        No, here's the original article:
                        https://www.narcom.ru/ideas/socio/28.html#3
                        And here is a phrase from it In 1984, Russia took one of the first places in the world in terms of suicide rates (after Hungary) among countries that provide information to the World Health Organization (WHO) on the number of deaths and the causes of their death. As you can see, the suicide rate is a more reliable indicator of the social situation than memories of cheap sausage and vodka. And that's all, and nothing more, no where this table and numbers are taken from, no links at least to publications for this year.

                        Quote: Lesovik
                        Nothing prevents you from "weaving" extremely reliable data (using the statistics of the same USSR as a primary source) in order to immediately and forever destroy Olgovich's "vile insinuations".
                        And no need to juggle, the numbers are dubious or not, this is the fifth thing, the first thing is that they are intertwined with child and adolescent suicides.
                      4. Woodman
                        Woodman 19 July 2021 12: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        No, here's the original article:

                        I admit - I was wrong. There are even two phrases about WHO, here's another:
                        The German Democratic Republic only occasionally reported deaths to WHO.


                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        the first thing is that they are intertwined with child and adolescent suicide.

                        I have already expressed my opinion on this issue above.
                      5. Olgovich
                        Olgovich 19 July 2021 14: 37
                        -4
                        Quote: Lesovik

                        I admit - I was wrong. About WHO

                        But in vain: I gave the data to WHO SAM USSR!

                        So WHO is just a relay
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        clearly, in two lines, showed that the state is here far from omnipotent... That is why in his commentary there is it was 1985 - the year when the country developed and grew stronger, towhen it seemed that a bright and predictable future was ahead, and не 1995

                        Exactly!

                        And who saw what ... request
                      6. Woodman
                        Woodman 19 July 2021 14: 49
                        +2
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        And in vain: the data was given to WHO by the USSR itself!
                        I acknowledge the fact that I was wrong in this part of my comment:
                        Quote: Lesovik
                        no reference to WHO appears in the original article.
                    2. Vladimir_2U
                      Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 15: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: Lesovik
                      I admit - I was wrong. There are even two phrases about WHO, here's another:
                      Nothing, many are frightened by all sorts of links and quotes, and people like Olgych use it. Below I will duplicate my answer with Olgychevsky lies and stupidity:

                      Quote: Vladimir_2U
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      from the WHO, to which ITS data on suicides were given by the USSR AMS.
                      According to the authors of the article, who do not really have faith.

                      Quote: Olgovich
                      You lie shamelessly and shamelessly (see the link given by me or do not know how to read?), Everything is clearly indicated by the authors, from the article:
                      Well, the stupidity and laziness of anti-Soviet people has been clear for a long time, because:
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      link 15 - World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva, 1996; Russian statistical yearbook. 1996: Statistical collection. M., 1997


                      first:
                      The Health Status Report (WHR) is a series of annual reports produced by the World Health Organization (WHO). The world health report, first published in 1995, is WHO's flagship publication. The reports were published annually from 1995 to 2008, and then in 2010 and 2013. - https://ru.abcdef.wiki/wiki/World_Health_Report - https://ru.abcdef.wiki/wiki/World_Health_Report

                      Accordingly, no data on the USSR in the 1980s. there is no.


                      second:
                      Russian Statistical Yearbook 1996
                      Period:
                      1990-1995 https://istmat.info/node/23792
                      There is not a word about 1985, detailed data from 1990 to 1995. and not a word about suicide.

                      This means that the table that the authors of the article have slapped and all sorts of references are all more doubtful and doubtful.
              2. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 July 2021 14: 29
                -4
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Doesn't it seem strange in the table? After all, this is a table from the WHO (supposedly), so you need to believe the data from the WHO in 1980, but in 2019 it is no longer worth it, strange, right?

                from WHO, to which ITS suicide data gave the USSR CAM.
                .
                Huge data figures of suicides - from the surging "happiness", you see, people were committing suicide.

                Yes, let's not forget that these are data from the crafty conscience of "statistics" that varnished reality

                But in 2019, the ANTI-Russian WHO "considered"

                Got it, no? No.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And that's all, and nothing more, this table and numbers are taken from nowhere.
                .
                You lie shamelessly and shamelessly (see the link given by me or do not know how to read?), Everything is clearly indicated by the authors, from the article:

                General information about registered suicides in the USSR, Russia15 and in St. Petersburg are presented in table 20

                15 link - World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva, 1996; Russian statistical yearbook. 1996: Statistical collection. M., 1997

                Well you're plunging ...
                But as always! yes
              3. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 15: 06
                -2
                Quote: Olgovich
                from the WHO, to which ITS data on suicides were given by the USSR AMS.
                According to the authors of the article, who do not really have faith.

                Quote: Olgovich
                You lie shamelessly and shamelessly (see the link given by me or do not know how to read?), Everything is clearly indicated by the authors, from the article:
                Well, the stupidity and laziness of anti-Soviet people has been clear for a long time, because:
                Quote: Olgovich
                link 15 - World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva, 1996; Russian statistical yearbook. 1996: Statistical collection. M., 1997


                first:
                The Health Status Report (WHR) is a series of annual reports produced by the World Health Organization (WHO). The world health report, first published in 1995, is WHO's flagship publication. The reports were published annually from 1995 to 2008, and then in 2010 and 2013. - https://ru.abcdef.wiki/wiki/World_Health_Report - https://ru.abcdef.wiki/wiki/World_Health_Report

                Accordingly, no data on the USSR in the 1980s. there is no.
                second:
                Russian Statistical Yearbook 1996
                Period:
                1990-1995
                https://istmat.info/node/23792
                There is not a word about 1985, detailed data from 1990 to 1995. and not a word about suicide.

                This means that the table that the authors of the article have slapped and all sorts of references are all more doubtful and doubtful.
              4. Olgovich
                Olgovich 19 July 2021 15: 51
                -7
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                According to the authors of the article, who there is no faith especially.

                the authors simply retransmitted the WHO. then you refer to WHO ... as a source of TRUTH (see your first answer to me), then ... there is no faith.
                What's wrong with you? belay fool
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Well, the stupidity and laziness of anti-Soviet people has been clear for a long time, first published 1995 d because there is no data on the USSR in the 1980s. there is no

                there is a column 1982-90gg and data on hundreds sheets, "sharp" you are our lol... EVERYTHING .... have you studied?
                A Statistical Collection. M., 1997, also studied? What? Not?

                But what about "sharpness"? lol
              5. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 17: 28
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                the authors simply retransmitted the WHO. then you refer to WHO ... as a source of TRUTH (see your first answer to me), then ... there is no faith.

                Stupidity and lies, I gave the WHO data about which Olgych "forgot", the cloudy Olgych "remembered" table, and "forgot" doubts about the reliability.

                Quote: Olgovich
                there is a column 1982-90 and data on hundreds of sheets, "sharp" you are our lol. EVERYTHING .... have you studied?
                The stupidity, laziness and deceit of Russophobes have long been known, Ol'gych is no exception. The "Population" section contains only 44 sheets, no column "causes of death" 1982-90. no, and nowhere is "suicide" mentioned
                http://istmat.info/files/uploads/23792/stat._ezh._1996_-2.pdf

                Quote: Olgovich
                A Statistical Collection. M., 1997, also studied? What? Not?
                The idiocy of the question is evident. Because this collection also has a "population" section with only 41 pages, and there is not a word about suicides, in any year.
                https://istmat.info/files/uploads/45329/4naselenie.pdf
              6. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 July 2021 09: 13
                -6
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Stupidity and lies I,

                this is already known, do not repeat yourself, but the question was something else: then you refer to WHO ... as a source of TRUTH (see your first answer to me), then ... there is no faith.
                What's wrong with you? Doesn't it go crazy? lol belay
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The stupidity, laziness and deceit of Russophobes have long been known,

                Undoubtedly, 2Teachers are a prime example of this.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Section "Population" http://istmat.info/files/uploads/23792/stat._ezh._1996_-2.pdf

                you pissed on World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva and wrote this:
                World Health Organization (WHO). The world health report first published in 1995 g.,
                Accordingly, no data on the USSR in the 1980s. there is no.
                , to which you are told that World Health Statistics. 1995 HAVE data 1982-90 g, and you are already fussing in response to this ... Russian collection fool
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The idiocy of the question is evident.

                the idiocy of the answer is obvious: the question was: "Have you studied or not the collection of 97 g,?
                And you answer WHAT? fool
              7. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 09: 23
                0
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Stupidity and lies I,

                this is already known, do not repeat yourself, but the question was something else: then you refer to WHO ... as a source of TRUTH (see your first answer to me), then ... there is no faith.
                What's wrong with you? Doesn't it go crazy? lol belay
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The stupidity, laziness and deceit of Russophobes have long been known,

                Undoubtedly, 2Teachers are a prime example of this.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Section "Population" http://istmat.info/files/uploads/23792/stat._ezh._1996_-2.pdf

                you referred to World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva and wrote this:
                World Health Organization (WHO). The world health report, first published in 1995,
                Accordingly, no data on the USSR in the 1980s. there is no.
                , to which you are told that World Health Statistics. 1995 THERE IS data from 1982-90, and you are already fussing in response to this ... Russian collection fool
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The idiocy of the question is evident.

                the idiocy of the answer is obvious: the question was: "Have you studied or not the collection of 97 g,?
                And you answer WHAT?

                What a shameful and deceitful mischief!
                Quote: Olgovich
                what you are told that in World Health Statistics. 1995 THERE IS data from 1982-90, and you are already fussing about the answer
                Where are these columns, a link to them, please, a deceitful creature, I show him direct links, he only answers his letters, Russophobic squalor.

                Quote: Olgovich
                the idiocy of the answer is obvious: the question was: "Have you studied or not the collection of 97 g,?
                And you answer WHAT?
                Well, this is already outright dementia,
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Because this collection also has a "population" section with only 41 pages, and there is not a word about suicide in any year.
                https://istmat.info/files/uploads/45329/4naselenie.pdf
              8. Olgovich
                Olgovich 20 July 2021 11: 54
                -5
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Quote: Olgovich
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Stupidity and lies I,

                this is already known, do not repeat yourself, but the question was something else: then you refer to WHO ... as a source of TRUTH (see your first answer to me), then ... there is no faith.
                What's wrong with you? Doesn't it go crazy? lol belay
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The stupidity, laziness and deceit of Russophobes have long been known,

                Undoubtedly, 2Teachers are a prime example of this.
                Цitata: Vladimir_2U
                Section "Population"
                http://istmat.info/files/uploads/23792/stat._ezh._1996_-2.pdf

                you referred to World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva and wrote this:
                World Health Organization (WHO). The world health report, first published in 1995,
                Accordingly, no data on the USSR in the 1980s. there is no.
                , to which you are told that World Health Statistics. 1995 THERE IS data from 1982-90, and you are already fussing in response to this ... Russian collection fool
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                The idiocy of the question is evident
                .

                the idiocy of the answer is obvious: the question was: "Have you studied or not the collection of 97 g,?
                And you answer WHAT?

                What a shameful and deceitful mischief!

                You are right about your part,
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                shameful and deceitful vilification!
                ! yes
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Where are these columns, a link to them, please, a deceitful creature, I show him direct links, he only answers his letters, Russophobic squalor.

                The source is clearly indicated: World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva,
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                deceitful creature, Russophobic squalor.
                , What's not clear?
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Well, this is already outright dementia,

                Once again, please do not bother me with your medical problems.
              9. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 20 July 2021 12: 16
                +1
                The source is clearly indicated: World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva

                And you are clearly told that this source does not contain data on suicides in the USSR.
              10. Vladimir_2U
                Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 13: 00
                -1
                Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                And you are clearly told that this source does not contain data on suicides in the USSR.

                Yes, he skillfully pretends to be a moron, the situation is a little unprofitable for him, although you know. ))
            2. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 12: 58
              -1
              Quote: Olgovich
              World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva

              What is the deceitful Russophobe Olgych only writing letters, where is the link, where are the lines and columns? These are at least:
              https://istmat.info/files/uploads/45329/4naselenie.pdf



              Although what to expect from a cowardly and stupid Anglo-lizobish. And all his stupidity is revealed in "hundreds of pages."
            3. Olgovich
              Olgovich 20 July 2021 13: 07
              -4
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              What is the deceitful Russophobe Olgych only writing letters, where is the link, where are the lines and columns?

              what ,
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              deceitful Russophobe

              you don't know what it is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva?
              No? fool
              Naturally, for there is nothing from
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              - wait for a cowardly and stupid sycophant. And all his stupidity is revealed.
              in all lol
            4. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 13: 11
              -1
              Quote: Olgovich
              , you do not understand what World Health Statistics is. 1995. Geneva?

              Will it come to the English litter that he cannot give a reference, only the letters, it is unlikely, because it is easier to pretend to be a moron, why prove your words.
            5. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 July 2021 10: 13
              -5
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Will it come down to anglo-litter

              can not master the fact that the link is GIVEN and it is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva :?
              Naturally, because
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              it's easier to pretend to be a moron,

              yes
            6. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 21 July 2021 10: 17
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              can not master the fact that the link is GIVEN and it is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva :?
              The degenerate has already repeatedly shown what a normal link is:

              https://istmat.info/files/uploads/45329/4naselenie.pdf
              http://istmat.info/files/uploads/23792/stat._ezh._1996_-2.pdf

              But since anti-Soviets are either idiots or scoundrels, but always Russophobes, Olgych "does not understand" what a link is.
            7. Olgovich
              Olgovich 21 July 2021 12: 27
              -5
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              The degenerate has already repeatedly shown what a normal link is:

              you're right:
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              Ratu has already repeatedly shown what a normal link is
              - and this is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva

              But since they
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              either iots or dlets, but always Russophobes, then what is normal link
              will never come.

              To freedom! lol
            8. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 21 July 2021 16: 53
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              - and this is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva

              Wow, Olgych's misery will be revealed by the REAL link:
              https://www.who.int/whr/1995/en/whr95_en.pdf
              All the shrillness is Russophobic.
            9. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 23 July 2021 04: 21
              0
              Quote: Olgovich
              - and this is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva

              https://www.who.int/whr/1995/en/whr95_en.pdf
              There is nothing in the "Link" about Russia, in the general table there are a couple of three references and that's it. And not a word either about Russia or even more about the USSR in connection with suicide. So that.
              Dedicated to the truthfulness of Olgych and his "sources"!
            10. Olgovich
              Olgovich 23 July 2021 07: 31
              -4
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              https://www.who.int/whr/1995/en/whr95_en.pdf
              There is nothing on the "Link" about Russia

              one misunderstanding lol claimed that in the 1995 report (this not my link, let me remind sclerosis), there is no data at all 1980s

              And there IS a column 1982-1990, including for the republics of the former USSR. lol , as indicated by the fool. yes

              are free!
            11. Vladimir_2U
              Vladimir_2U 23 July 2021 08: 18
              +1
              Quote: Olgovich
              And there IS a column 1982-1990, including for the republics of the former USSR. lol, as indicated by the fool.
              Debbilism and whether the meanness of Russophobes is known to be meanness or debilism, talk about the source of data on suicides in the RSFSR
              Quote: Olgovich
              World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva?

              Quote: Olgovich
              the link is DANA and this is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva :?

              Quote: Olgovich
              and this is World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva
              and then wretchedly disown
              Quote: Olgovich
              one misunderstanding lol argued that in the 1995 report (this is not my link, let me remind the sclerosis) there is no 1980s data at all

              So, especially for a Russophobic moron or a scoundrel, to choose from, the collection contains no data on suicides either in the USSR, or in the RSFSR, or even in the Russian Federation. Not for a year.
    3. Foul skeptic
      Foul skeptic 21 July 2021 10: 54
      +1
      cannot master the fact that

      this source does not contain data on suicides in the USSR.

      The authors of the article for Demoscope, among other things, misspelled the name of the "source". I think it's easier to eliminate the insignificant part of the dispute and give a link:
      https://www.who.int/whr/1995/en/whr95_en.pdf
    4. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 21 July 2021 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
      The authors of the article for Demoscope, among other things, misspelled the name of the "source". I think it's easier to eliminate the insignificant part of the dispute and give a link:
      https://www.who.int/whr/1995/en/whr95_en.pdf

      Thank you dear Timur! Although you are a skeptic, you are by no means vile. hi
      I downloaded the report, I will study it, although it is already clear that there is little about the USSR there.
  2. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 19 July 2021 15: 18
    +1
    But in 2019, the ANTI-Russian WHO "considered"

    Why is WHO anti-Russian? Or do you think that we do not know about quirks with statistics?

    Can you comment on these diagrams?
    World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva

    How do you distinguish between the fact that WHO is anti-Russian, and "World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva" is pro-Russian? wassat
  3. Romans
    Romans 23 July 2021 18: 10
    0
    Olgovich, make scans for primary sources to the article that you cite as proof of your position.
    World Health Statistics. 1995. Geneva, 1996, - this source is nowhere to be found.
    Russian statistical yearbook. 1996: Statistical collection. M., 1997, - there is no data on suicides in the collections!
  • Terran ghost
    Terran ghost 19 July 2021 14: 30
    0
    Unfortunately, 1985 only in children and adolescents evoked a premonition of a bright future, for me, for example.

    In 1984, the number of suicides in the RSFSR was 54 thousand per year. In 1990 - 39,2 thousand.
  • Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 21 July 2021 10: 31
    0
    In 1985, there were no such revelations yet, and Gorbachev, at a solemn meeting in connection with the 40th anniversary of the Victory, to the applause of those present, highly appreciated the role of Stalin.
  • tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 19 July 2021 09: 28
    -3
    Quote: Olgovich
    Yes, of course, this non-Russian anti-Russian structure knows "better". For you and Psaki then - the authority, yes.

    Yes, we all ourselves have not lived for the first year and we see that it all started with "Perestroika, accordions, hurray", and then the disastrous 90s, which first of all fell on children's souls that were not strong enough. Each of us knows this firsthand, especially who have children.
  • Woodman
    Woodman 19 July 2021 08: 48
    0
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    As usual, no links

    The first figure appears in Vika (with reference to the source), about the second it is clearly written
    Quote: Olgovich
    (Rosstat)

    It is strange to require a reference to something that is easily verifiable. Yes, and even declare a lie at the same time.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 08: 55
      +5
      I just yesterday decided to finally take the time and check one of Olgovich's statements. About the fate of the repressed submariner. Which, as the "comrade" claimed, disappeared in a "concentration camp" on Solovki from tuberculosis. And you know what happened? But it turned out that the submariner was transferred from the ELEPHANT to an exiled settlement, then released ahead of schedule, and died two years after his final release in Leningrad. It seems to be - "what's the difference?"
      1. Woodman
        Woodman 19 July 2021 09: 01
        +2
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        I just yesterday decided to finally take the time and check one of the statements

        I sometimes do that too)
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        It seems to be - "what's the difference?"

        Only, without checking the information, I do not accuse of lying, even those who have caught it before)
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 09: 21
          -1
          Well, you know, when they say that, for example, "The Trebizond operation achieved its goals" ... you don't even need to be a historian to understand that this is pure nonsense ... though. Maybe I understand that this is nonsense recourse And others need to chew on common truths and egregious facts ...
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 19 July 2021 10: 51
            -5
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Well, you know, when they say that, for example, "The Trebizond operation achieved its goals" ...

            The aim of a series of operations called the "Trebizond operation" was the liberation of Trebizond.

            Which was brilliantly done
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Maybe this I understand delirium

            here you are 100% right :: no one understands better nonsense delirious Than himself raving yes
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            And others need to chew

            but from the details of delirium, please, thank you, dismiss hi
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 19 July 2021 09: 16
        -7
        Quote: Region-25.rus
        Finally, take the time and check one of Olgovich's statements. About the fate of the repressed submariner. Which, as the "comrade" claimed, disappeared in a "concentration camp" on Solovki from tuberculosis.

        I’m lying: I didn’t have a word about Solovki, my phrase was:
        Bakhtin was thrown into a concentration camp, where he fell ill with tuberculosis from which (from tuberculosis) and died

        What's not true, liar?
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 09: 28
          +1
          about Solovki it was a clarification wink For greater reliability, so to speak. Expand the topic more broadly. And the fact that you misinterpreted, hid what is not convenient for you, in order to show the USSR as a continuous gulag, what do you call it? ))) And yes, we got to the bottom of a non-verbatim quote! It's so liberal good Here to the place (attention of admins !!!) direct but incomplete (censorship you know) quote from a freak from Panasenkov's story - "you are caught by the hand as ....." then I think you know wink
          So a "respected" opponent. You lie and distort the facts. And where you can throw a well-known substance on the USSR .. And the fact that the people are being led by your "arguments" .. By the way, there began to talk that the Earth turns out to be flat))
    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 19 July 2021 09: 12
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      It is strange to require a reference to something that is easily verifiable. Yes, and even declare a lie at the same time.
      Yes, it's easy, but there was no link - one, and the link indicates doubts about the reality of the numbers - two. Well, the general deceit of Olgych is three. And Rosstat at the same time.
  • Region-25.rus
    Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 08: 34
    -1
    and again no links, no articles ... or -
    "what? my word is not enough?" or "you don't know how to read Russian?" (from)
    1. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 08: 53
      +1
      And it’s not destiny to find a link yourself, so that you can oppose the arguments of your opponent with your own arguments?
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 08: 57
        +1
        usually, the proof lies with the approver. Or someone here imagines himself Mikhalkov? laughing
        1. Andrey VOV
          Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 09: 08
          -1
          You only make excuses three times, although during the same time, if you were not busy with work, you could find and present an invoice to support your point of view.
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 09: 31
            0
            Excuse me, but unlike someone else, I am busy with work .... And you can find as many textures as you like in my debates. Textures in the form of historical facts and not naked statements and watering with "loud phrases and feces" of one deceased country! Search by nickname. wink
            1. Andrey VOV
              Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 09: 35
              +3
              Good job if you can sit on the site at the same time))
              1. Region-25.rus
                Region-25.rus 19 July 2021 09: 43
                -1
                well, i've been remote for almost two years now. He left the studio before this covid bacchanalia))
                The work is creative and rather difficult (there is something to compare with), but I am no longer a very young man and compete with young and energetic ones) And I don't sit here, I drop by during breaks)
  • Romans
    Romans 23 July 2021 17: 55
    0
    Olgovich, why this provocation? Better to suggest something to solve this problem!
  • aybolyt678
    aybolyt678 19 July 2021 09: 03
    +2
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    it is useless to rely on the "state" and it is necessary through I do not want and can not burden children and grandchildren with attention!

    the state should attend to the prospect of development at least a couple of generations ahead, then people will have goals different from suicide.
  • mojohed2012
    mojohed2012 19 July 2021 14: 54
    0
    We need to catch these perverts blue whales and extinguish without trial! What compassion and justice can there be if they are destroying our children!
  • Intruder
    Intruder 20 July 2021 18: 54
    +1
    it is useless to rely on the "state" and it is necessary through I do not want and can not burden children and grandchildren with attention!
    Or maybe for a start, you need to ask yourself (in the person of your parents), is it necessary !? Just before ..., in part: difficulties associated with the upbringing and maintenance of children, otherwise they create and give birth, and then I also need to educate / follow and protect from the madness of the world around them ..., elementary right !?
  • Nazar
    Nazar 19 July 2021 04: 34
    +7
    And in our country there is officially no "ideology", but where there is nothing, of course all ugliness arises from scratch. And yet, the authorities begin to twitch when there is already a corpse, and no one wants to engage in prevention. Well, for example, how many years ago the notorious Cord wrote and performed: "... a ticket to the sky is issued very quickly, went out into the street - an accidental shot, you can do that, but you can accelerate, I personally drink, and someone is injecting" - this is what not suicide propaganda? Not drug propaganda? And no reaction from the prosecutor's office. The cord is not alone in this - here and coins with Morgensterns and other evil spirits are regularly noted, so what? And nothing, the prosecutor's office is not up to that, apparently completely busy with the fact that the next business for their wife is being squeezed out. So it turns out - "what do you want from us, that's when there will be a corpse then come ..."
    1. Sentinel-vs
      Sentinel-vs 19 July 2021 06: 27
      +9
      Already tired of the notorious ideology. What is the ideology in Switzerland or Great Britain? In the USA or Singapore, what is the ideology? What is needed is not an ideology, but real attention and care from the country to citizens, to the formation of adolescents, to raising children, etc. Ideology is associated with zombies, fostering fanatics, biorobots. And without any ideologies it is possible to raise a healthy generation, if the country would have such a goal.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 07: 37
        -3
        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        What is the ideology in Switzerland or Great Britain?

        Russia is in first place for suicide among adolescents in Europe. So the comparison is not relevant.
        1. Sentinel-vs
          Sentinel-vs 19 July 2021 07: 55
          +4
          What's the comparison? I asked what is the ideology in these countries.
          1. Andrey VOV
            Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 08: 54
            0
            The ideology of consumption, no creation, no destruction, no, just consume, consume and consume, satisfying your desires and that's it
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 09: 16
              +5
              Quote: Andrey VOV
              just consume, consume and consume, satisfying your desires and that's it

              So this is the state ideology, Andrey. As one education minister said, we need to raise a literate consumer. request
              1. Andrey VOV
                Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 09: 24
                +4
                Well, they took an example from them, and how they began to monkey with the mid-80s, taking the most vile, and continues
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 19 July 2021 10: 04
            +3
            Ideology to rise above everyone else. Read Tom Wolfe: "I Am Charlotte Siemens."
            For this work, the best journalist in the United States was crumpled from all sides. He exposed the unsightly side of America.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 19 July 2021 09: 21
        +6
        Quote: Sentinel-vs
        What is the ideology in Switzerland or Great Britain?
        there is an ideology of consumerism. And the economic system parasitizing all over the world.
        Our economic system is parasitic on its own people. Therefore, the ideology of joint survival is necessary
      3. Non-fighter
        Non-fighter 19 July 2021 13: 15
        +2
        Ideology is just there. "Enrich yourself !!!" There are also icons, the same Bill Gates. Read his bio. His parents did not have billions, and he started by writing a school curriculum and became a billionaire. Here's an example. We do not have such icons, but we have "No million bucks - you are nobody" And as long as we have a hellish gap between the elite, eating in three throats, and the bulk, which is on the brink of survival, everything will be so. It is quite easy to convince a person that if you do not have wealth (like dad and mom didn’t earn money), then you are nobody, you are a bio-waste who is unworthy to live and must free the planet for the sake of those who have everything.
  • From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 19 July 2021 04: 54
    +9
    This is all because most parents are not involved in raising children now. Supposedly there is no time and a lot of other reasons. These are always to blame for kindergarten, school, social networks, etc. But I can say from personal experience that you can find time, it's just that most people prefer to drink beer on a weekend with friends, rather than work with a child.
    1. sak1969
      sak1969 19 July 2021 06: 59
      +9
      Let's remember the impartation of deep antiquity. It turns out the girls are often drowned from unhappy love. Water was the most affordable way to die. It's just that there are subtle natures who are prone to suicide in principle. And it's easier for another to kill someone than to harm himself. That is, the pig will find dirt. So they came up with a story that education is to blame for everything. At all times, adults have not had enough time to pay attention to children. It's just that technology has become easier to communicate at a distance.
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 July 2021 05: 43
    +5
    Both the parents and the self-defeating state are guilty of all this. But, most importantly, how to effectively deal with this? It is necessary to seek out and destroy such Internet communities, to clear the Runet of such books, to introduce an article for their publication, and most importantly, the state must remember that it is also responsible for every citizen of Russia. And, accordingly, to show their active participation in the life of young people.
    1. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 19 July 2021 09: 22
      +3
      Quote: Thrifty
      and most importantly, the state must remember that it is also responsible for every citizen of Russia.

      Prospects for the Country, happiness for the people !!! smile
    2. depressant
      depressant 19 July 2021 09: 28
      +4
      With advertising, we are good. With positive propaganda for young people beyond the age of cartoons - no way.
      I cannot categorically assert that the authorities do not need the population at all. For various reasons, she needs it. It seems to see children under 10 years old, but not adolescents. Teenagers are no longer small children who require constant attention and care due to their helplessness, but they are not yet independent purchasers of goods, since they do not work. Teenagers are not soldiers yet. From these two points of view, adolescents are a category of the population that is not interesting to the authorities. But adolescents also fall out of the priorities of their parents - there is no need to change diapers, to lead by the hand too, so don't bother yourself. And then a sensitive teenager, and they are all sensitive, suddenly feels his complete uselessness. Even many adults find it difficult to tolerate the state of being unnecessary. Youth has always, at all times, been a tragic time of life. Nobody authoritatively inspires you: "You can do a lot, you have a wonderful life ahead of you!" Doesn't have warm, sincere conversations about your future. Rather, "Leave me alone, do something!" Maybe because many adults do not see prospects even for themselves and thus, unwillingly, program a son or daughter for an early death. And then comes "Nya. Bye."
      1. Korsar4
        Korsar4 19 July 2021 12: 06
        +3
        Realization in adolescents can be in sports, in technology, in literature.
        The social circle is also very important.
        For them, peer opinion is often more important than parental opinion.
        1. depressant
          depressant 19 July 2021 12: 23
          +3
          I observed the opposite situation.
          The teenager sees that his parents have lived to adulthood, have a job, housing, the necessary set of furniture, gave birth to him, their child, respected by neighbors. So their opinion of him is worth something.
          But the teenager understands that he himself is not yet like his parents, and recognition of himself, such as he is, can only be found among the same. After all, his parents do not praise him with or without reason, they do not tell him "You are wonderful!" More often than not, you can only expect discontent from them. They don't see affection, tenderness. Something that is useful for an adult.
          1. Korsar4
            Korsar4 19 July 2021 12: 58
            +3
            A kind word is essential.
            But who will name the ideal ratio of praise and criticism?
            1. depressant
              depressant 19 July 2021 13: 47
              +3
              Adolescence is a time of self-doubt.
              Sergey, are you a teenager? wassat )))
              I'm kidding, of course. In such matters, many are not sure of themselves. A teenager, even without criteria of fairness, is a bit sensitive. If he feels the falsity of praise, he will cease to respect, the lack of it endures steadily, but accumulates resentment.
              Just be fair and do not skimp on praise if your teen deserves it. And it, your praise, is not so much that you are, they say, a fine fellow, a genius, and so on, but in a long, detailed, approving conversation, with the clarification of the little things and details, how success will be achieved. In such a conversation, the teenager will praise himself, but will think that you did it.
              And with adults the same way. No one praises himself better than the person himself. Your task is to provide him with such an opportunity with leading questions)))
              1. Korsar4
                Korsar4 19 July 2021 15: 12
                +2
                Sometimes I am also a teenager.

                “Who grew up is gloomy and fastidious.
                Anyone who still grows will understand everything ”(c).
                1. depressant
                  depressant 19 July 2021 18: 47
                  +2
                  "Children will listen to us when they see that we are listening to them." (Jane Nelsen)

                  For some reason, it seems to me that most adults retain this property. They want to be heard. Otherwise - "sullen and fastidious." )))
                  1. Korsar4
                    Korsar4 19 July 2021 20: 20
                    +1
                    Yes. Therefore, I am happy to talk with my son about football and chess.

                    I can't talk about Dota, no matter how hard I try.
                    1. depressant
                      depressant 19 July 2021 20: 37
                      +3
                      Trite, but true. You can only talk with a person about what he is interested in himself.
                      1. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 July 2021 21: 49
                        +2
                        Sure. Otherwise it will be pretense.
                      2. depressant
                        depressant 19 July 2021 22: 16
                        +3
                        But what courage is needed for someone who listens to other people's revelations! After all, he also wants to talk about himself.
                      3. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 July 2021 22: 19
                        +2
                        Not always. This is the Greek principle: "Know thyself."
                        And then there are people who are able to feel someone else's pain.

                        https://stihi.ru/2017/11/01/6543
                      4. depressant
                        depressant 19 July 2021 22: 30
                        +3
                        It's true. There are such people.

                        Nut twig
                        Korsar4
                        The nut twig will feel the water.
                        The nut twig will feel pain.
                        The nut twig grants freedom.
                        Until three days have passed.

                        And then: free - born free.
                        The one who knows the word is the singer.
                        The one who is insatiable will be hungry.
                        Only one who is calm is a sage.

                        As always, your poems, dear Sergei, require reflection that turns into self-assessment.
                      5. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 July 2021 22: 33
                        +2
                        This is all known. And thinking is good.
                        Normal human property.
                        However, if there is a piece of time for this.
                      6. depressant
                        depressant 19 July 2021 22: 46
                        +3
                        A piece of time always appears at the sight of human suffering, whatever it may be caused - by a coincidence of unfavorable circumstances, or by an obvious injustice perpetrated by one person or group of people in relation to another. Sometimes such compassion costs the life of the compassionate one. The main thing is to find the correct form of compassion so that it does not become destructive.
                      7. Korsar4
                        Korsar4 19 July 2021 22: 57
                        +1
                        It is better not to feel sorry for yourself. Others - you can.
                      8. depressant
                        depressant 19 July 2021 23: 27
                        +4
                        Others may be the whole of humanity. But his problems have become so complicated that pity takes the form of abstraction, surprisingly not finding his neighbor as a point of application. For example, your own teenage child. Ask someone if they love their child like that. But of course, there will be an answer, but for some reason the child does not want to talk to me. And because you are talking to him, my dear man, by moralizing and reprimanding, it means that you are guided not by pity for the child, but towards yourself, your beloved, offended by that child.
  • Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 19 July 2021 13: 17
    +4
    As long as there is a hellish gap between the elite and everyone else, which everyone sees, there is little sense.
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 July 2021 05: 47
    +8
    Capitalism sows Fear, Ignorance, Greed. While adults are busy with serious political games, there is no time for children. If earlier the child received part of education by reading the right books, listening to the right songs, watching the right films, now books, songs, and films will teach a child like that, God forbid. Scary pictures are shown here. But no better than pictures from cartoons. And at the bottom such an inscription is acceptable - "I gave myself to a homeless person at 12 years old." And others are not better. Throwing everything on the Internet is not the case. You have to create your own programs. But I'm afraid all that TV will turn out.
  • parusnik
    parusnik 19 July 2021 05: 53
    +7
    It didn't start today, I remember here, somewhere in the mid-90s, in the Kalininsky district of St. Petersburg, a series of suicides took place, teenage children, a certain community, some wizards who passed the staff, must leave from life, I do not remember the details, but the prosecutor's office did not open a criminal case. Children have no future, the goal is consumption and they are not to blame, the system is such, it forms, being determines consciousness.
  • datura23
    datura23 19 July 2021 06: 14
    +6
    Dads and mothers - love your children, do not give them up for education on the Internet and this will not happen to them!
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 July 2021 06: 21
    +4
    Children are trying to escape our problems into some other reality. Replacing the real one, in our time - digital. You can be anyone there. Starting from the simplest games and ending with nicknames, images ... Just start the game in a new way, "having cut out", "digitized", it will not work. It is difficult to explain to a child that he is not a NEO and that she is a "matrix" only in the movies ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 19 July 2021 07: 00
    +8
    Scary tales cannot heal anyone, not a person, not a society. The hymn of life smoothly turned into a funeral march. Not a single film is complete without a funeral. Not a single holiday is without a memorial service. The cult of death is flourishing. Even calls for vaccinations are backed up by death reports. The boy is so frightened by the advice of therapists that he rides a bicycle wearing a mask. Where is it - "The sun, air and water are our best friends"? All this hype about the pandemic is taken under the control of officials. God forbid, if they will lead this way during major emergencies.
  • Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 07: 35
    +2
    The main driver of suicidal hysteria has naturally become the Internet itself, carrying news and memes like lightning.
    The main driver is the lack of ideology and youth policy, and the lack of a sane view of the future.
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 19 July 2021 08: 15
      +8
      The main driver is the lack of ideology and youth policy, and the lack of a sane view of the future.
      "Our ideology is patriotism" (c) Vladimir Putin, he was heaped up, even with a spoon, even with a ladle. Youth policy - D. Milokhin - the face of Sberbank, that's the goal and ideal. It's not BAM to build. "More fun, guys, it fell to us, to build an iron path, and in short BAM. "(c) from all the irons rushed. Here is the future ... no one represents it .. And if it does, then such suicides happen. Family, the Internet has nothing to do with it. I remember my totalitarian childhood. Parents are at work for days, I am on the street for days. (Circles, of course, sections)
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 09: 18
        +2
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        I remember my totalitarian childhood. Parents are at work for days, I am on the street for days. (Circles, of course, sections)

        And no one was afraid for the children on the street. Was here an article about good education - Pedagogical debauchery.
      2. aybolyt678
        aybolyt678 19 July 2021 09: 39
        0
        Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
        With the future ... no one represents it ... and if it does, then there are such suicides

        Yes, it’s the future, its image is important. The USSR collapsed due to the cognitive dissonance between what was promised and what came out. Yes, and everything turned out well except for consumer goods. Now there are no problems with consumer goods (imported), but there are problems with the future
    2. Non-fighter
      Non-fighter 19 July 2021 13: 19
      +2
      For 90% of the population, the real future is to work three jobs in order to somehow provide for the family. Well, or on one if you live alone and scored on all these rake races. And children see this in the example of dad and mom, and no words can break it.
  • Andrey VOV
    Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 09: 12
    +2
    The worst thing is that this regional center is a village, a few thousand of the population, this is not a multi-million or many-thousand city, a village where everyone and everything is in plain sight and everyone knows about everyone ... but in a neighboring area, in one of the villages, kids, members of a similar or even this group even proudly shared among themselves that they, they say, belong to a secret group ... when I heard about tasks for 10-12 year olds, I was a little crazy:
    - catch and burn the cat
    - gouge out the eyes of a younger sister or brother ...
    Children have absolutely no trust in adults ..
    1. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 19 July 2021 10: 17
      +3
      this regional center, this is a village
      hole. Once in five years, the Circus will arrive on the stage, a poor menagerie and that's all. One entertainment is the nets. In the nets and get into the nets.
      1. Andrey VOV
        Andrey VOV 19 July 2021 10: 21
        +1
        The circus has not been seen in the past five years
        1. Daniil Konovalenko
          Daniil Konovalenko 19 July 2021 10: 26
          +1
          [b
          ] The circus has not been seen in the past five years
          [/ b] All the more so.
    2. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 19 July 2021 16: 48
      0
      when I heard about tasks for 10-12 year olds

      God ... what kind of dangerous psychopath created such a "group" and offers such monstrous "tasks" to "children"?
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 19 July 2021 10: 22
    +6
    Unfortunately, the child's psyche is designed in such a way that does not allow the immature mind to realize the irreversibility of such an act.
    It seems to adolescents, and sometimes young men, that having killed themselves, they can then see how everyone regrets that they underestimated and offended them. They see in their death a kind of revenge on others ...
    1. Hypertension
      Hypertension 19 July 2021 11: 19
      +2
      Quote: A. Privalov
      They see in their death a kind of revenge on others ...

      The classic "spite my grandmother's ears frostbite" ...
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 19 July 2021 12: 59
        +2
        Quote: Hyperion
        The classic "spite my grandmother's ears frostbite" ...

        This is exactly what many adult uncles and aunts do. I am sure that you yourself are familiar with such people and, probably, even tried to explain something to them, but without the slightest success. Nothing else can be expected from small children who take an example from them, Alas ... hi
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 11: 39
    -2
    All this is a continuation of the work of "natural selection", the course of which we have grossly violated saving the weak or premature. This is a rather cruel thought - but throughout the history of the human race, the most persistent, physically, psychologically, survived. Our country would not have survived neither the Yoke, nor serfdom, nor the civil war, nor the Second World War, nor the 90s, if the selection went according to other laws. The weak leave the arena - those who are more resistant survive and leave offspring for the next round - in fact, this is how the selection, evolution, improvement and sharpening of the population takes place. It is a great illusion to think that this does not apply to the human race.
    Children are certainly very sorry - but ask the question, could a person emotionally unstable, if he was prevented, break through later? In other circumstances, which abound, by other means, which are also in bulk. Not at the instigation, but as a result of his own, destructive predisposition. To get drunk in the trash and get hit by a car or swallow pills or break open in a bath - 100500 people end up without the Blue Whale because they are fixated on it, limited, imperfect and unstable. The world around us is not a pink field with fairies and leprechauns, it is struggle, stupidity, indifference, survival and cannibalism - at times in elephant doses. The inability to endure this already in childhood, in the brightest and most naive period of life - kakbe hints that it will only get worse with alcohol, substances, and maybe even with "Roslyakovschina", when a person extrapolates his dissatisfaction outside.
    1. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 19 July 2021 14: 36
      -2
      work of "natural selection", the course of which we have grossly violated saving the weak or premature. This is a rather cruel thought - but throughout the history of the human race, the most persistent, physically, psychologically

      I have an even more unpleasant fact. From a purely biological point of view of natural selection, any person over about 40-45 years old for the population in which he lives is not just useless (from a purely biological point of view of itself), but also harmful - he consumes food that is needed by the younger, healthier and more capable to active reproduction of individuals. Therefore, this very "natural selection" killed such individuals. Actually, primitive people therefore usually lived by age until about 40 years old. o.o
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 15: 44
        +1
        From a purely biological point of view - in the conditions of modern civilization, most of the people of the age category you indicated are only slightly inferior in physiological and physical indicators (most of which is compensated by the organization that grows with age and the methodical application of life experience), having the advantage in the form of more experience in all spheres life activity. They are practically at the top of the trajectory of biological capabilities and intellectual abilities in the complex. Now, after 50 -55, yes, these parameters are already beginning to yield for the majority in the sample in the group (relative to them 40-45).
        Until a certain point in the population, life experience and satisfactory physical capabilities compensate for youthful energy. A sharp drop in physical capabilities in most of the sample occurs after 60 years - intellectual capabilities in most of the sample fall after 65+, however, the fading of intellectual capabilities occurs in most of the sample as a whole slower than physical (because our life is arranged in such a way that we think more often than exercise enough physical activity).
        It is the fact that we are in an ever-growing intellectually demanding environment, the profitability of existence in which is directly related to the quality of intellectual activity and the accumulated experience of all types - within this environment, persons beyond the age of biological competition in the population are quite competitive for themselves (but, of course, not all ).
        This can be compared to the increase in the capabilities of some species of animals with age - compensating for size, strength and experience - mobility and greater energetic perfection of younger representatives of their own species. In the case of a person, this is replaced by the parameter "health", "intellectual and communication skills", "stress resistance and situational readiness", "history of successes and failures of using available experience", etc.
        And by the way - with age, a person consumes less food because the body stops growing.
        For a long time, the conditions for the existence of the population did not allow to fully realize the biological periods of a person - sufficiently high-quality conditions developed only for the pre-war generation of the Second World War.
        1. Terran ghost
          Terran ghost 19 July 2021 15: 56
          -1
          From a purely biological point of view - in the conditions of modern civilization

          Modern civilization works according to completely different rules than the biological laws of natural selection. Actually, I tried to hint at this to you.
          Moreover, it is impossible to say that the rules of modern civilization are unsuccessful from a biological point of view. The population of the Earth in 1000 AD was approximately 400 million people. In 1750, about 800 million people. Doubling the population in about 750 years. Total. In 1900, the population of the Earth was 1,6 billion people. By 2000, it exceeded 6 billion people. Growth 3,6 times in just 100 years.
          1. Knell wardenheart
            Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 17: 23
            +1
            You point me to the dependence on biological resistance - I point out to you that biological resistance is sufficient for effective existence in the conditions of modern civilization up to retirement age (not for everyone, but for the majority)
            In my 1st commentary, I point out that non-compliance with the selection for psychological resistance is fraught with consequences - moreover, we are already seeing these consequences in the form of alcoholism, drug addiction, increasing escapism, including these endless torments with "self-determination". And suicide is also, as a rule, from this area (although not all, there are circumstances, of course). A person with biological disabilities can create in the presence of a strong spirit, a person devoid of psychological resilience can jerk like a "mad cucumber" he has any trigger - of which there are plenty. Protecting such individuals does not solve the problem - it only postpones its blurring within wider ranges of age and gender groups. I believe that if a person who has a roof over his head, a capable and loving family and a certain level of mathematical deficiency, as well as biologically healthy, commits suicide for aesthetic or informational reasons, then this is a manifestation of the limit of human fragility, capable of neither moving civilization forward nor supporting its current level.
            1. Terran ghost
              Terran ghost 19 July 2021 17: 36
              +1
              You understand. It's one thing when such a tragic decision is made by an adult who is himself responsible for his decisions and actions. It is quite another thing when a villain deliberately pushes a child or a teenager to such a thing.
              1. Knell wardenheart
                Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 17: 41
                0
                This is definitely a crime. Worthy of blame and punishment. But I do not believe that the victims, having avoided this particular crime, would have lived their lives and would have digested this period. Geeks who push people to do this simply accumulate representatives of existing tendencies, causing a resonance with similar methods of manipulation - beyond the boundaries of this resonance, all this also happens "naturally" and on a much more eerie scale.
  • depressant
    depressant 19 July 2021 12: 05
    +6
    In fact, our political power needs a large population. This is due to the transition to the next economic order, which unites the less developed countries around one more developed in the so-called conglomeration. There may be several such conglomerations. It is assumed that China, the USA, England, and the old European Union will become the unifying metropolises. Our government decided that Russia should also become a metropolitan country, and for this it should create its own association of countries. After all, it is assumed that the conglomerate of the new order should have an internal market in which there are at least 500 million adults with high purchasing power.
    There are only 147 million of us, and it seems that no one is in a hurry to unite with us, recognizing us as the metropolis. So we have only one thing left - to supplement our vast territory with up to 500 million adults. At one time, the authorities relied on conditional Tajiks with at least some purchasing power. But these are not very many, and they do not bring money, but for the most part they take away. Moreover, they are scandalous, poorly managed, tied to the authority of the diasporas.
    In turn, the efforts of the financial and law enforcement blocs of the government, stifling the development of the economy and thereby lowering our purchasing power, are driving us to the level of a third world country, which is fundamentally incapable of being a metropolitan country. Not in association with someone, not alone.
    So we do not know what awaits us in this brave new world, which is now commonly called "new normalcy".
    Hence, at the subconscious level - the decadent moods of many adults. Yes, we laugh, we seem to live an ordinary, normal life, we talk about some business, about the heat, about floods, we are gnawing at the coronavirus, and more and more often on the street we can hear talk about the hospital. In general, we live, who can do it in a situation of more and more tangible pressure, including discriminatory laws. And in the depths of everyone's soul, now quietly, now more loudly, but now the alarm bell rings continuously. Teenagers hear him.
    1. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 19 July 2021 14: 41
      +2
      there are at least 500 million adults with high purchasing power

      The key phrase is "high purchasing power."
      for this it must create its own association of countries

      Why do we need either a strong economy, to which they will strive (modern China), or an attractive unifying idea (at a certain historical period in the USSR it took place), or a combination of both (the modern European Union is the same).
    2. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 15: 49
      +2
      I have doubts about the authorities' awareness of the need to increase demography (de facto) and even more doubts that they really have some kind of task to form a kind of geographic and economic association of states under the auspices of the Russian Federation. Roughly speaking, they do not have enough brains to realize and even draw up a rough version of a "road map" for such transformations. Those who more or less understand the scale and necessity of such tasks do not believe that this is not just “necessary” but also a high priority “task of the century”, much higher and more important than their pitiful grains full of cheeks and Napoleonic ambitions. This is the task of the survival and development of civilization. I am afraid that for them this "civilization" is doomed to dissolve in the western one.
      1. Terran ghost
        Terran ghost 19 July 2021 17: 41
        +2
        this "civilization" is doomed to dissolve in the Western

        What kind of civilization is this?
        1. Knell wardenheart
          Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 17: 46
          +2
          It meant what Lyudmila was talking about - our potential civilization project, which needs to build up demography and form stable boundaries of development and influence.
          By analogy with the well-known "SuperI" - "I" - "It" - we are talking about "SuperRussia".
          I believe that our elites subconsciously consider these views to be utopian, although they use demagogic elements to maintain an image of belonging. Because, in fact, we observe chains of actions that distance us from this project, directly or indirectly.
          1. Terran ghost
            Terran ghost 19 July 2021 18: 00
            +3
            our potential civilization project

            You understand what's the matter. For a civilizational project, a "semantic generator" is needed. An idea that is attractive enough to unite and lead, including encouraging at least some of those who follow it to super-efforts (and possibly even sacrifices) according to the principle of "deferred good".
            For example, the USSR had such an idea. And somewhere in the late 1960s and early 1970s, she could well "lead people with her." And now? ;)
            1. Knell wardenheart
              Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 18: 10
              +1
              What is originally a chicken or an egg? What arises initially - the structure for the emergence and development of the Idea or the Idea itself already influences the creation of the structure of civilization? In general, these are probably interrelated things, it seems to me.
              Different Ideas existed on this territory - tsarist, imperial, socialist. All of them collapsed and wiped their butts with them, however, the megalomanic aspirations did not disappear as, in fact, more or less systematically built for this architecture of all types, left over from previous periods. So, it is not so important whether we have a certain expressed idea of ​​"now" - we live in a structure in which it will appear with a high probability - IF the construct itself does not degrade to zero or destroy before this "phenomenon".
              I think that the closest and most correct idea to us now is the idea of ​​pragmatism and self-sufficiency. We have a lot of everything, we need to focus on mastering this FOR OURSELVES and developing our own benefits, occupying the population and raising the standard of living. As they succeed in this field, the surrounding post-Soviet units themselves are guided by us. Is it a bad idea to make a country convenient for people, creativity, doing business, a good and well-fed life? But we don’t have such an idea - although it’s pretty damn obvious.
              1. depressant
                depressant 19 July 2021 19: 19
                +1
                I think that the closest and most correct idea to us now is the idea of ​​pragmatism and self-sufficiency. We have a lot of everything, we need to focus on mastering this FOR YOURSELF and developing our own benefits, occupying the population and raising the standard of living.



                Knell, they won't let us focus like this. Since it is already clear that we will not be able to claim the role of an attractive metropolis at least in the next 10 years, we will be forced to play the role of a neighboring country - either China or the United States.
                Of course, the idea of ​​a conglomeration is very good. The metropolitan country will be obliged to take care of the infrastructure of its, let's say, vassal, about raising his living standards, because otherwise the purchasing power will be weak, the market will not work, and a neighboring conglomerate may take that vassal away. And at the same time, the thought is persistently carried out, they say, join us, and you will be happy.
                But this is only in theory. For some reason, it seems to me that this is an ordinary enticement, covering with a fig leaf a method of colonization of a new type, when the victim country itself is looking for a master, and having found it, it turns out to be that master completely absorbed - industry, resources, human potential, culture. That is, the yoke. And from this point of view, that China, that England, that the United States is almost the same for us. True, taking into account the special passionarity of the Chinese and their alienation from their brazen mentality to us, China will be more terrible.
                And in this situation we need to resist. So far, only the presence of nuclear weapons is saving. If not for it, the war would have covered us long ago. And our ruling class sleeps and sees how to sell the country. Having gained power, they are ready to sell the population. The bargaining is just going on. Apparently with America.
                1. Knell wardenheart
                  Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 20: 47
                  0
                  So far, for the most part, the actions of our own authorities, their course and reflection, "do not give" us anything to do. Historically, our country did not show any "contiguous" tendencies, rather the opposite - we liked to breed alternatives, albeit "in a certain image and likeness" - either Byzantium, then Holland, then Prussia, etc.
                  We have potential, but this potential is being spent in a very strange, stupid, illogical way, this has been happening for more than 30 years, probably for 50-60 years, if not more. The volume of unconventional weapons and the potential benefits / costs of an operation against us still make it the dumbest adventure in the world, it would seem - sit behind an umbrella and build and develop, but no ..
                  Stupidly geographically, we could not join any project except perhaps the European one - but there the hut is already packed to the brim and we are not particularly expected. But due to our position, we could completely take profit from different directions. But these advances are not happening, nothing constructive is happening at all. As if Moses leads us half a term in the wilderness
  • Ela myaushkina
    Ela myaushkina 19 July 2021 12: 31
    -4
    I wonder if not early, the deceased 14-year-old Maria had a relationship with a 17-year-old boy named Sasha? What kind of disgrace and depravity? Rather, this is exactly what it will be and where it will be much worse than all kinds of blue whales and suicides ... Do not you think? And I find.

    What do these children think about when they enter into any minor relationship with the opposite sex and want it? Do they think about anything at all? I doubt it. This is not what they should strive for. Do not wish it. It's not age at all and early. But who cares ...

    On the other hand, what kind of mentally and intellectually weak children are they who are easily manipulated with all the consequences? Usually those who have enough brains, all kinds of blue whales and so on are not dangerous, because they have their own head on their shoulders. But as it turned out, not all of them. So it's even a kind of natural selection. The natural mechanism of nature, where the strongest, the smartest, the most cunning, etc. survive.
    1. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 19 July 2021 14: 43
      +2
      What kind of disgrace and depravity?

      It's not age at all and early

      Hmm .. biological childhood in representatives of the biological species Homo Sapiens ends just at the age of 14-16. The fact that society artificially (contrary to biology) extended "social childhood" to 18-21 years does not affect the first fact.
      1. Ela myaushkina
        Ela myaushkina 19 July 2021 18: 18
        -1
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        What kind of disgrace and depravity?

        It's not age at all and early

        Hmm .. biological childhood in representatives of the biological species Homo Sapiens ends just at the age of 14-16. The fact that society artificially (contrary to biology) extended "social childhood" to 18-21 years does not affect the first fact.


        All the same, early sexual intercourse is undesirable, harmful to the physiology and psychology of a person at such an age up to adulthood and older. The same cannot be said about masturbation. It is useful at this age and at any age, helps to align hormones and balance, jumping.
    2. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 17: 29
      0
      Girls grow up earlier than boys, firstly, and secondly, "relationships" do not yet imply debauchery - there is such a phenomenon as Wirth, often at this age the emotional connection between people is very strong and prevails over the "utilitarian" one (but, of course, not for everyone) ... The other side of the question is that there is a certain degree of reactivity, the excess of which is a deeply unhealthy tendency, and there is a certain level of natural human brakes, the delay beyond which it is also very unhealthy. The girl has a family and a loving martyr - her whole life is ahead, but she crawls under the train because of a stupid game on the social network - IMHO this is an indicator of a deep abnormality, instability and unviability of such a person. Of course, we do not know the circumstances, but the bottom-breaking reactivity is there.
      1. Ela myaushkina
        Ela myaushkina 19 July 2021 18: 21
        0
        Quote: Terran Ghost
        What kind of disgrace and depravity?

        It's not age at all and early

        Hmm .. biological childhood in representatives of the biological species Homo Sapiens ends just at the age of 14-16. The fact that society artificially (contrary to biology) extended "social childhood" to 18-21 years does not affect the first fact.

        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        Girls grow up earlier than boys, firstly, and secondly, "relationships" do not yet imply debauchery - there is such a phenomenon as Wirth, often at this age the emotional connection between people is very strong and prevails over the "utilitarian" one (but, of course, not for everyone) ... The other side of the question is that there is a certain degree of reactivity, the excess of which is a deeply unhealthy tendency, and there is a certain level of natural human brakes, the delay beyond which it is also very unhealthy. The girl has a family and a loving martyr - her whole life is ahead, but she crawls under the train because of a stupid game on the social network - IMHO this is an indicator of a deep abnormality, instability and unviability of such a person. Of course, we do not know the circumstances, but the bottom-breaking reactivity is there.


        At this age, many already have early and meaningless sex, which has a harmful effect on the psyche and physiology of a person. And for some reason, a 14-year-old girl had a 17-year-old boy who also committed suicide did not upset anyone. But the very fact of death by suicide outraged both. And not that they were already like a couple. Which is not normal and acceptable. Therefore, early maturation and "relationships" at this age, allegedly not implying debauchery and so on, are not an argument in the normality and naturalness of all this.

        Wirth is a relationship on the Internet, like virtual sex. In life, Wirth is not a Wirth.
  • aries2200
    aries2200 19 July 2021 14: 50
    +1
    it was impossible to imagine such a thing in the SOVIET UNION ... Communists are being rotten by the authorities and, like fascists, they are killing people by all means ...................
    1. Knell wardenheart
      Knell wardenheart 19 July 2021 17: 33
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      Another illusion. There have always been suicides from unrequited love, unbearable shame, domestic violence or unsettled life (or from exposure to substances). I believe that in the "wonderful Soviet years" of collectivization there were a lot of suicides among those whom the USSR broke on the knee, building a new, bright life.
  • nobody75
    nobody75 19 July 2021 19: 10
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    How tired of homegrown psychologists ... The girl clearly writes: "I will not pass the exam." This means the exam! Let it be known to all lovers of statistics and "pedagogical measurements" that less than 1% of graduates could solve the problems that now appear in "profile mathematics" in the USSR! Those who entered Moscow State Technical University, PhysTech and Moscow State University. It was there that their "professionals" from FIPI and plagiarized ... Not a single textbook and not a single program explicitly devoted time to solving such problems. The children prepared themselves, they were helped by their fathers - mothers and tutors. And now you want graduates to solve them in every village?
    Further. The girl writes: "All around is biomass". To within the building I can point out where she heard it - in her native school! The majority of "modern teachers" with the help of psychological pressure are trying to achieve "high results" from schoolchildren in grades 10-11 (and gifts from their parents). I think that it is not a secret for anyone that in grades 10 and 11, children do not study, but prepare for the Unified State Exam. By the way, the expressions of the "teachers" are the same ... A familiar philosophy teacher at seminars called the students "space debris".
    Dear Mrs. Vasilieva and Mr. Kravtsov! Maybe you will get tired of compromising the government with your own incompetence and will you resign?
    Sincerely