Stiletto defeats drones

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This is not a combat ship, but rather a concept. A floating test bed, as the US Navy calls it. A platform for testing new naval combat techniques and technologies.

In general, we will return a little later on how the United States approaches the issue of all sorts of futuristic projects, but for now, on the topic. And on the topic of working out the concept of countering unmanned aerial vehicles, American specialists have developed a system of circular (360 degrees) detection and destruction of UAVs. And she was tested on the Stiletto.



For six weeks, the M80 Stiletto fought both single drones and swarms that carried a "wide range of threats."

Automated system for detecting and combating UAVs repelled all attacks drones.

The US Navy believes that this is a very significant step in the fight against the ever-increasing threat from unmanned aerial vehicles. UAVs really, with each stage of their development, pose an increasing threat to small-tonnage ships and can easily disrupt even certain operations of the naval forces of any country in the future.

Successful testing of the protection system aboard the Stilett makes it possible to predict that in the future such complexes may receive permanent registration on the sides of surface ships of small displacement.

An interesting fact is that the system that was tested on board the Stiletto, the DroneSentry-X, is not American. The system is manufactured by the Australian defense company DroneShield.


In its July 2021 fact sheet, DroneShield claims that the system tested aboard the Stiletto “demonstrated overall detection capability, detection and engagement range, on-the-go performance under a variety of conditions, and effectiveness against swarms. drones, including a wide range of unmanned robotic threats."

Unfortunately, it is not disclosed what was meant by the "threat posed by the swarm of drones", that is, whether it was a really organized swarm of unmanned aerial vehicles or just work was carried out against several drones at the same time.

The Stiletto was equipped with a DroneSentry-X module, which was placed on the roof of the wheelhouse. DroneShield writes that the system uses "built-in sensors to detect and disrupt UASs at any speed" and "is suitable for mobile operations, surveillance on the spot and missions on the move," and a tablet is enough to control the system.


The company claims that the system uses artificial intelligence to analyze the surrounding RF environment and identify potentially hostile drones.

Once the system identifies the specific radio signals used by these drones, it automatically triggers interference in the bands where the signals were detected.

DroneShield claims the DroneSentry-X has a detection range of over 2 km with a range of over 300 m.

Oleg Vornik, CEO of DroneShield, said in an official communique that the DroneSentry-X had successfully passed all tests on board the M80 Stiletto, and added that the complex was tested not only for effective resistance to drones, but also tested in a marine environment that is not the most friendly in relation to electronics.


The creation of DroneShield can be considered valid. Australians have contributed to the fight against drones that continue to evolve and become increasingly formidable weapons... DroneShield is gaining respect for its designs, which, despite being somewhat futuristic, actually work. For example, portable signal jammers that were used at the meeting between President Biden and King Philip of Belgium.

A few words about the Stiletto.


Despite the fact that some experts mocked the ship at one time, putting it on a par with "stealth losers" such as "Sea Shadow" IX-529 or "Zamvolta", but the ship is really useful.

Yes, the Stiletto was invented as a high-speed, low-visibility ship for special operations forces. Today, the ship belongs to the Carderock Naval Surface Warfare Center in Little Creek, Virginia, and has the status of a Marine Demonstration Vessel.

Initially, based on the results of other developments (the same "Sea Shadow"), "Stiletto" was created primarily in order to test the idea of ​​reducing the signature not only in the radar range, but also in the hydroacoustic and optical ones.

The Stiletto's M-shaped hull has been designed to reduce wake visibility, drag and acoustic signature of the vessel, preventing it from hitting waves and stormy surf at high speeds.

Stiletto defeats drones

The design is designed to be much more stable in shallow water than traditional monohull designs.

The Stiletto is the largest composite ship built for the US Navy. This suggests that the boat is light, durable and unobtrusive in the radar range. Plus a special coating of the case and a profile made using stealth technology.


Four 1650 hp Horsepower engines each accelerate the ship to a speed of about 100 km / h. Stilett's cruising range is about 700 miles, payload is up to 37 tons. The crew is three people. For a ship with a length of 25 meters and a displacement of 60 tons - quite.

But the main highlight is not stealth for radars. This is not particularly surprising today. The bottom line is that the Stiletto flying at a speed of 90 km / h leaves almost no wake. More precisely, the trail must be unusually weak for a displacement ship of this size, sailing at such a tremendous speed. The Americans have been working on this problem for a long time, and, apparently, they succeeded. At least in terms of experiment.

This begs the question: why is this necessary at all? It's simple. It is worth remembering that the boat was conceived as a means of delivering special forces to coastal areas. And as you know, the special forces of any country do not like increased attention to themselves.


Subtle ships are a reality today. But if the radar beams "bounce" off the ships from modern forms and coatings, then the wake tracks do not disappear anywhere. And the most inconspicuous from the point of view of radar, the ship can be easily detected in the optical range. Through the eyes of the same plane. And if we talk about the "eyes" of satellites hanging in orbit ...


A very interesting project has turned out from Stiletto. High speed, inconspicuous hull, little foam and waves from the ship in motion.

Perhaps it will be interesting, but the water trams of Venice are “to blame” for the invention of the Stiletto, the waves from which negatively affected the foundations of the ancient buildings of Venice. And the Venetian authorities turned to the progressive company M Ship Co. from San Diego asking to develop something to reduce waves from pleasure boats.

And so the M-hull project appeared, which worked like this: the wave lifted by the central part of the hull very smoothly twists in two profiled channels, which were the walls of the hull.


The Stiletto has a double M-hull principle. Moreover, the streams of water damping each other create an additional lifting force, pushing the body out of the water upward. The result is very little drag plus a minimal wake.

Nobody says that there will be no trace at all. But it is very, very small, a regular pleasure boat creates more foam and disturbance.

So having such advantages as modern stealth technologies, high speed and saturation with modern radio electronics, if not the Stiletto itself (I think that it is not himself), then something developed on its basis, will be able to take its rightful place in the ranks of special-purpose ships.

In general, how much money, time and other resources in the United States is spent on various innovations cannot but command respect. Yes, some of the projects discussed above “did not play” and were scrapped. But the developments remained ...


Today in the United States, a lot of attention is paid to UAVs. And, at the same time, the fight against them. The ideal is probably UAVs, which are delivered to the launch point by unmanned surface or submarine ships carrying weapons of destruction.

On the one hand, yes, somewhat fantastic, isn't it? Well, what threat can a drone with a bomb weighing several tens of kilograms carry? Don't tell. A bomb of even a small caliber that exploded next to the hull of a strategic missile submarine is unpleasant. This is the impossibility of going to sea and repairs.

And it is easier and cheaper for a drone to do this than for a man-driven aircraft.

And the US Marine Corps generally wants its unmanned surface aircraft long-range unmanned ammunition. They understand the benefits of using such means of dealing with the enemy.

And, of course, the United States is far from the only country working tirelessly in this direction.

Yes, today a UAV with a small amount of ammunition cannot do fatal damage to a large ship. But he can easily disrupt some kind of mission, causing some small damage. A swarm of UAVs controlled by a united artificial intelligence has much greater capabilities.

And sensible ways to combat UAVs in sufficient quantities have not yet been developed. Therefore, firms like DroneShield in the future will be very, very loaded with orders for the development of countering drones, since this is no less promising direction than the creation of combat UAVs.

After all, the usefulness of a UAV is not only that it can bring a certain amount of explosives to a certain point (a cruise missile will cope better with this), but that at a minimal cost, a UAV equipped with a minimum set for tracking the enemy can bring enormous benefits exclusively by delivering valuable and timely information.

So testing a system capable of constantly monitoring the environment, detecting and suppressing small flying objects is a decent step forward.

Even if we discard the fact that Americans usually exaggerate everything a little.
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  1. -12
    19 July 2021 04: 43
    The bottom line is that the Stiletto flying at a speed of 90 km / h leaves almost no wake. More precisely, the trail must be unusually weak for a displacement ship of this size, sailing at such a tremendous speed.
    As soon as you do not have to be perverted, if you do not know how to make ekranoplanes. laughing
    1. +15
      19 July 2021 04: 57
      In Russia, ekranoplans are still in single copies, it is not yet known when they will be widely used.
      Inventions in the United States are in great flux, I envy their Kulibins.
      Money for their ideas is given quickly and in large quantities ... which is what ours
      I wish inventors.
      Well, Stiletto has yet to prove its need for the US Navy ... although the idea is very good.
      1. +3
        19 July 2021 05: 12
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        In Russia, ekranoplans are still in single copies, it is not yet known when they will be widely used.

        Well and so The Stiletto was conceived as a high-speed, low-visibility ship for special operations forces. also not for mass festivities, and not the fact that it will go into series, only unlike the Soviet EP, not for political and economic reasons.
        1. -1
          19 July 2021 21: 25
          ekranoplanes have a high accident rate. read about the results of their tests in the USSR. the ekranoplan project "did not take off"
          1. +2
            20 July 2021 03: 26
            Quote: Spring Fluff
            ekranoplanes have a high accident rate. read about the results of their tests in the USSR. the ekranoplan project "did not take off"

            Nonsense, three accidents on THREE types of large ekranoplanes, and all of them can be considered test, and all three are due to the human factor. It did not take off strictly due to political and economic reasons, like RK Energia and Buran, like space stations, like a nuclear aircraft carrier, like the Yak-141.
            1. +1
              20 August 2021 17: 14
              More likely due to political rather than economic ...
      2. +1
        20 July 2021 15: 38
        With our invention laws and their implementation, Americans can sleep well. They are implemented from 60-70%, we have up to 3%. The author and his rights to intellectual property in our country are not much different from the copyright certificate of the times of the USSR, although they paid 150 rubles for him, this is 17578 rubles at the present time. Now the author himself pays 7000 rubles for maintaining the patent, and from next year, according to the plans of officials, he will pay 14000 rubles. Who benefits from it and why questions are unanswered.
    2. +7
      19 July 2021 05: 54
      - has a detection range of more than 2 km with a range of destruction "more than 300 m".
      The detection range is not impressive, especially if the ship is detected at a distance of at least 50 km.
      Although the Stiletto itself is certainly good.
  2. -3
    19 July 2021 05: 24
    The Yankees are actively scurrying from side to side, then one will be built, then another ... As if they really do not know for themselves what they really need. There is nothing extraordinary about this ship, it is just built. Another thing is how many of these they will really create, will it not come out as with littoral ships, originally necessary, they suddenly became "stepchildren" for the US Army ???
  3. +7
    19 July 2021 05: 28
    And what. This Stiletto is a real alternative to hovercraft. You can build something like Bora, only with fewer engines, less energy costs to maintain the air cushion, cheaper operating costs
    1. +2
      19 July 2021 05: 59
      Quote: Winnie76
      This stiletto is real alternative to hovercraft... You can build something like Bora, only with fewer engines, less energy costs for air cushion maintenance
      You will decide whether you need a pillow or not. And with 60 tons of displacement, something like Bora (1000 tons) will not work.
      1. +5
        19 July 2021 06: 13
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        You will decide whether you need a pillow or not. And with 60 tons of displacement, something like Bora (1000 tons) will not work.

        I mean the hull shape with minimal wave loss. Scale 15 times, throw out the extra engines and there will be Bora. But ekranoplanes are a dead-end branch of evolution.
        1. +3
          19 July 2021 06: 19
          Quote: Winnie76
          Scale every 15, throw out the extra engines and there will be Bora

          There is no Bora without a skeg cushion, and 15 times scaling while preserving materials will give a wild price, and not the fact that it will retain the characteristics of wave formation, the sediment will increase! No need to talk about the power of the engines, I hope.
          Quote: Winnie76
          But ekranoplanes are a dead-end branch of evolution.
          Do you know a lot about military EPs?
          1. +2
            19 July 2021 06: 32
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            There is no Bora without a skeg cushion, and 15 times scaling while preserving materials will give a wild price, and not the fact that it will retain the characteristics of wave formation,

            And why do we need a skeg cushion, air blowers, extra motors if the shape of the body can achieve the same characteristics. Do you honestly think that Bora is a cheap option? Gas turbine engines, AMG hull is it like a ram sneezed?
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Do you know a lot about military EPs?

            How many I know all mine. IMHO this type of transport has a bunch of unsolved and unsolvable problems at the moment. And it is quite logical that no one wants to deal with these flying misunderstandings except for the sect of enthusiasts.
            1. 0
              19 July 2021 06: 46
              Quote: Winnie76
              And why do we need a skeg cushion, air blowers, extra motors if the shape of the body can achieve the same characteristics.
              Do you really imagine that with an increase in displacement 15 times it will be possible to get by with 4 engines of 1650 hp each?

              Quote: Winnie76
              Do you honestly think that Bora is a cheap option?
              Name a cheaper displacement version with the same speed characteristics and tonnage.

              Quote: Winnie76
              Gas turbine engines, AMG hull is it like a ram sneezed?
              Naturally, you imagine that with comparable speed characteristics you can get by with 7000 hp. whether? And Al_Mg alloy is 3-4 times more expensive than steel, but 8-10 times cheaper than carbon.

              Quote: Winnie76
              How many I know all mine.
              It is clear, it was already clear from the "Bora alternative".

              Quote: Winnie76
              And it is quite logical that no one wants to deal with these flying misunderstandings except for the sect of enthusiasts.
              Hehe, when flat-earthers considered people who did not believe, but who knew about the real shape of the Earth, as sectarians.
              1. -1
                19 July 2021 07: 07
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Do you really imagine that with an increase in displacement 15 times it will be possible to get by with 4 engines of 1650 hp each?

                I really imagine that when scaling the case 15 times, the motors will have to be scaled non-linearly. I am not the Krylov Institute and I do not have a test pool in my pocket.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Name a cheaper displacement version with the same speed characteristics and tonnage.

                But I will not name it. He's gone. But you can try to get closer to it. Science does not stand still.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Naturally, you imagine that with comparable speed characteristics you can get by with 7000 hp. whether?

                You don’t need to attribute to me that I didn’t suggest. Namely, scale the displacement 15 times and leave the old power plant.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                And Al_Mg alloy is 3-4 times more expensive than steel, but 8-10 times cheaper than carbon.

                There are fiberglass minesweepers Alexandrite. At the cost of FIG knows.
                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                It is clear, it was already clear from the "Bora alternative".

                Quote: Vladimir_2U
                Hehe, when flat-earthers considered people who did not believe, but who knew about the real shape of the Earth, as sectarians.

                Come on. Tell us about the bright future of ekranoplanes. Amuse the people.
                1. +3
                  19 July 2021 08: 58
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  You don’t need to attribute to me that I didn’t suggest. Namely, scale the displacement 15 times and leave the old power plant.
                  Yes? Then why
                  Quote: Winnie76
                  Scale every 15, throw out unnecessary engines

                  Quote: Winnie76
                  Why do we need a skeg pillow, air blowers, extra engines
                  The Krylov Institute is not needed to understand that when scaling the displacement and maintaining the speed, the power will have to be raised at least 10 times, so you will get 70 hp. (actually higher), and now transfer this power even to the propellers, even to the water cannon, and admire the "almost absent wake."

                  Quote: Winnie76
                  There are fiberglass minesweepers Alexandrite. At the cost of FIG knows.
                  There is no question of any mass character in this case, which means either flimsy or expensive, fiberglass motor boats are cheaper than aluminum ones, but noticeably less durable.

                  Quote: Winnie76
                  Come on. Tell us about the bright future of ekranoplanes. Amuse the people.
                  The bright future ended with the death of the USSR. And the combat ekranoplan "Lun" was comparable in reconnaissance and strike capabilities with the MRK "Gadfly", yielding to it in autonomy, somewhat inferior in cruising range, and overwhelmingly, by an order of magnitude, exceeding in speed and at the expense of speed at least not inferior in combat survivability. Now you cite the disadvantages of the EP "Lun", and I poke my finger at you.
                  1. +1
                    19 July 2021 09: 50
                    I will add that when scaling 10 times it may simply not take off.
                    Firstly, the materials of the case may well be needed for others.
                    Secondly, most likely, the power plant will need another one.
                  2. -3
                    19 July 2021 11: 30
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    The Krylov Institute is not needed to understand that when scaling the displacement and maintaining the speed, the power will have to be raised at least 10 times, so you will get 70 hp. (actually higher), and now transfer this power even to the propellers, even to the water cannon, and admire the "almost absent wake."

                    As far as I understand, Bora-type ships will be abandoned one way or another. Primarily due to the high cost of construction and subsequent operation. Plus difficult conditions for the crew, increased vibration, noise, fuel consumption, etc. Plus an obsolete missile system (Mosquito), an obsolete SAM (Osa). Question. Do you need these 1000 tonnes of displacement? The Chinese have something similar, though without the air defense system and the cannon, it was pushed into a displacement of 220 tons. And on the same 7000 HP it gives a not bad speed of 38 knots. I'm talking about boats Hubei pr 022.
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    There is no question of any mass character in this case, which means either flimsy or expensive, fiberglass motor boats are cheaper than aluminum ones, but noticeably less durable.

                    I suspect the issue of flimsy and durability is quite solvable. You can use different resins, and in civil shipbuilding everything is decided by the price (competition is high).
                    Quote: Vladimir_2U
                    Now you cite the shortcomings of the EP "Lun", and I poke my finger at you.

                    I have them)))
                    For a seed, a question. Why were your wonderful ekranoplanes used only in the Caspian? Why weren't these combat pepelatsy tested at the Northern Fleet or the Black Sea Fleet? And I will answer it myself right away. Because not a single sane boss will release this multi-ton fool flying at a height of several meters at a speed of 500 km / h into the reservoir where the steamers go. How was this wonderful pepelats going to dodge the steamers? And what about his turning radius, probably a dozen kilometers? And what about flying under bridges, you won't cling to wings? And what about the passages along the Suez Canal? Take a detour? And what will happen if a flock of seagulls meet? Chopping into cutlets? What about Lun's dueling versus F15? How long will he live?
                    1. +2
                      19 July 2021 16: 29
                      Quote: Winnie76
                      As far as I understand, Bora-type ships will be abandoned one way or another. Primarily due to the high cost of construction and subsequent operation.

                      And, well, yes, then you need an analogue of Bora "then suddenly no.

                      Quote: Winnie76
                      Do you need these 1000 tonnes of displacement? The Chinese have something similar, though without the air defense system and the cannon, it was pushed into a displacement of 220 tons. And on the same 7000 HP it gives a not bad speed of 38 knots. I'm talking about boats Hubei pr 022.
                      It's funny, "something like that" only without a cannon, an air defense system, with missiles of the "Harpoon" type, near-zero reconnaissance capabilities and a speed 30 km less. The cockroach is also something similar with respect to a motorcycle.

                      Quote: Winnie76
                      Plus an obsolete missile system (Mosquito), an obsolete SAM (Osa).
                      Without protecting 1239, but Mosquito (9 tons) can be exchanged for Yakhont and Caliber, or even Zircon, with a harpoon-like (less than a ton) rocket such a number will not work. Well, the place for Wasp-M can take something newer, such as Tora-M. In principle, there is no room for all this on the 220 tonne.

                      Quote: Winnie76
                      I suspect the issue of flimsy and durability is quite solvable. You can use different resins, and in civil shipbuilding everything is decided by the price (competition is high).
                      Ohh, it's sad, I didn't mention carbon in vain, but for you fiberglass and carbon (carbon fiber) are clearly the same thing. So in aviation, carbon fiber is used, a black wing, and this material is 8 times more expensive than AlMaG. So yes, the question can be solved, due to the wild price, which was discussed initially.


                      Quote: Winnie76
                      For a seed, a question. Why were your wonderful ekranoplanes used only in the Caspian? Why weren't these combat pepelatsy tested at the Northern Fleet or the Black Sea Fleet? And I will answer it myself right away. Because not a single sane boss will release this multi-ton fool flying at a height of several meters at a speed of 500 km / h into the reservoir where the steamers go.
                      Here the level of EP opponents is sometimes just depressing. Do you seriously imagine that the Caspian is such a sea desert ?! And I will tell you not such an idiotic reason, because EP was not used, but was tested in the Caspian, and what flows there? The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea, and the EP was built in N-Novgorod, then the city of Gorky, at a shipyard.



                      Quote: Winnie76
                      How was this wonderful pepelats going to dodge the steamers? And what about his turning radius, probably a dozen kilometers?

                      As expected, your "all mine" is near zero, because:
                      The turning radius at 15 degrees of roll and skr-300 km is 2,61 km, and at 500 km / h - 7,4 km, but the question is, what would you need to turn around 180 degrees to bypass the "steamer"? Do you always do this, or maybe you turn a few degrees, for example, while driving? laughing

                      Quote: Winnie76
                      And what about flying under bridges, you won't cling to wings?

                      Uh, why would RTOs, and "Lun" is RTOs under bridges to run around? Although if the span is 50 m, and the height is 20, then it passes, so that it does not pass in the displacement mode?
                      Quote: Winnie76
                      And what about the passages along the Suez Canal? Take a detour?
                      And what the rest of the ships are doing is passing. Or do you imagine that the EP has two modes, full stop and full stroke? And if you really support, then in tow.

                      Quote: Winnie76
                      And what will happen if a flock of seagulls meet? Chopping into cutlets?
                      Even at 500 km this is not a big problem, let alone a 400 cruising course. And on the coastal airfields, seagulls do not cause problems.

                      Quote: Winnie76
                      What about Lun's dueling versus F15? How long will he live?
                      And what is not the F-18? Where is the logic? After all, the MRK is a close-range ship, so it has more chances to meet with naval aviation. In addition, they are about the same age. Well, in the Caspian Sea, however, the level has finally cleared up. laughing
                      But let's figure it out: bomb and fire from a cannon laughing F-18 will not, but will launch missiles, Mavericks there, Harpoons, and so, they are not adapted to work at a target at a speed of 500 km / h, but this is not enough, electronic warfare equipment was installed on the "Lun" MRK and no interference was shot weaker than on the RTO "Gadfly" of the later series.
                      Air-to-air missiles? And they choke on interference and IR traps, even a little simpler, because of the less noise-immune seeker, and even against the background of the surface. So the F-18 fighters, as well as the F-15, at the time of creation, "Lun" could only oppose defensive actions, but quite effective, well, maybe, but this is strictly foolish, the GSh-23 cannon as part of the UKU-9K-502, but the anti-ship missiles on the catch-up course of this installation were quite tough, because it could be controlled automatically by the radar on auto-tracking.

                      But the "Gadfly", which formally had a much stronger air defense, could oppose missiles with practically the same measures and means as the "Lun", but the speed was an order of magnitude lower and helicopters could catch it, and the "Lun" was too tough for them.
                      1. 0
                        20 July 2021 17: 23
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And, well, yes, then you need an analogue of Bora "then suddenly no.

                        I wrote somewhere what is needed? Accurate quote "You can build something like Bora,"
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It's funny, "something like that" only without a cannon, an air defense system, with missiles of the "Harpoon" type, near-zero reconnaissance capabilities and a speed 30 km less. The cockroach is also something similar with respect to a motorcycle.

                        Without a cannon, yes. The main caliber is quite comparable. Eight and eight in number. Range 180 and 250 km. Warhead 190 and 300 kg. Guidance is identical. In terms of speed, China is supersonic at the terminal section, Russian along the entire trajectory. In terms of starting weight, there is a monstrous difference between 800 and 4000 kg. It is clear that the Mosquito is more serious, especially when a missile defense breakthrough is made, but the Chinese 190 kg will not seem like a little if they arrive.
                        According to the Osa air defense system. Reach in height 4 km, rate of fire 2 rounds / min. Powerfully, now MANPADS will be cooler.
                        No information can be found on intelligence capabilities. In principle, both variants can be equipped with radar to ensure full range firing. There are no energy and weight and size restrictions.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Without protecting 1239, but Mosquito (9 tons) can be exchanged for Yakhont and Caliber, or even Zircon, with a harpoon-like (less than a ton) rocket such a number will not work.

                        You can change, the only question is why. It is one thing to give target designation at 250 km, and another thing at 600. We need a completely different radar. By the way, the mosquito is 4 tons.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Ohh, it's sad, I didn't mention carbon in vain, but for you fiberglass and carbon (carbon fiber) are clearly the same thing. So, in aviation, carbon fiber is used, a black wing, and this material is 8 times more expensive than AlMaG.

                        And in shipbuilding, fiberglass is used. So don't be sad
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Here the level of EP opponents is sometimes just depressing. Do you seriously imagine that the Caspian is such a sea desert ?! And I will tell you not such an idiotic reason, because EP was not used, but was tested in the Caspian, and what flows there? The Volga flows into the Caspian Sea, and the EP was built in N-Novgorod, then the city of Gorky, at a shipyard.

                        You amaze me with your erudition. The Caspian Sea is an inland sea, there is much less sea traffic. You can fence yourself in a sandbox and test ekranoplans there. By the way, why is there such a ship with shock weapons? Against the Persians?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        As expected, your "all mine" is near zero, because:
                        The turning radius at 15 degrees of roll and skr-300 km is 2,61 km, and at 500 km / h - 7,4 km, but the question is, what would you need to turn around 180 degrees to bypass the "steamer"? Do you always do this, or maybe you turn a few degrees, for example, while driving?

                        Try to arrange random stumps on an unlit highway, and then drive along it at a speed of at least 100 km / h. In the situation with ekranoplanes, we increase the speed by only five times, and the mass by 300 times.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Uh, why would RTOs, and "Lun" is RTOs under bridges to run around? Although if the span is 50 m, and the height is 20, then it passes, so that it does not pass in the displacement mode?

                        Well, for example, from Black to Mediterranean. However, I strongly doubt that Turkey will let him through.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And what the rest of the ships are doing is passing. Or do you imagine that the EP has two modes, full stop and full stroke? And if you really support, then in tow.

                        Only the rest of the ships do not have wings with a span of 44 meters.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Even at 500 km this is not a big problem, let alone a 400 cruising course. And on the coastal airfields, seagulls do not cause problems.

                        Well, of course not a problem, so they try to disperse the birds at the airfields. Only the landing speed of any aircraft is much lower, and the time it is in the danger zone is much less.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And what is not the F-18?

                        Be your way.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Air-to-air missiles? And they choke on interference and IR traps, even a little simpler, because of the less noise-immune seeker, and even against the background of the surface.

                        Exactly that air-to-air. To miss on such a slow, maneuvering, heat and radio contrast target must be contrived.
                      2. 0
                        20 July 2021 18: 38
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        No information can be found on intelligence capabilities. In principle, both variants can be equipped with radar to ensure full range firing. There are no energy and weight and size restrictions.
                        Are you delusional? Neither the radio horizon will provide 220 tons, nor the power of the radar. And the Bora radar is an analogue of the Monolit-ME, and its range in passive mode is about 400 km, so the approximate characteristics are known.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        According to the Osa air defense system. Reach in height 4 km, rate of fire 2 rounds / min. Powerfully, now MANPADS will be cooler.
                        Oh, well, of course, only instead of "Wasp-M" you can put something newer, but instead of nothing, as on the Chinese, you can put nothing.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        You can change, the only question is why. It is one thing to give target designation at 250 km, and another thing at 600. We need a completely different radar. By the way, the mosquito is 4 tons.
                        Well, of course, there is no need, only the RTO 22800 is being fenced for some reason, with the target designation range unchanged, which is not even close to the Chinese, here are the naval dummies, there is no question to ask you. Yes Mosquito is not 9 tons but more than 4, it is he in 9 meters, like Onyx and Caliber approximately.


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        And in shipbuilding, fiberglass is used. So don't be sad
                        Yes, I was mistaken, like with the Mosquitoes, I did not notice.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        You amaze me with your erudition. The Caspian Sea is an inland sea, there is much less sea traffic.
                        Those. coastal voyages, fishermen and others are missing on the inland sea? Amazing erudition.


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Try to arrange random stumps on an unlit highway, and then drive along it at a speed of at least 100 km / h. In the situation with ekranoplanes, we increase the speed by only five times, and the mass by 300 times.
                        And the logic is no less striking, but what will the width of the highway be, and what will be the distance between the stumps, and you can turn on the headlights or radar, but do you have to go along the highway? The sea is not a highway, a little wider, and it is passable over the entire area, imagine, and ships are distributed less often than stumps, not even over the water area, but along busy shipping routes and navigational radars, everyone uses and the speed can be kept less than 500 km, it is generally the maximum for Lun. The stupidest example. Oh yeah, you didn't answer, do you turn 180 degrees to avoid obstacles or limit yourself to a few degrees?

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Well, for example, from Black to Mediterranean. However, I strongly doubt that Turkey will let him through.
                        Why would Turkey not miss a warship? Or was the Montreux convention canceled?

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Only the rest of the ships do not have wings with a span of 44 meters.
                        It's not interesting to argue with you, your level is poor. "Ever Given" got everyone 55 m wide, aircraft carriers who wander around the Suez as they want 80 m wide and have nothing with the counter.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Well, of course not a problem, so they try to disperse the birds at the airfields. Only the landing speed of any aircraft is much lower, and the time it is in the danger zone is much less.
                        Only seagulls do not lend themselves to overclocking, but they do not climb under the turbines either, and for several years of intensive testing not a single incident with birds has been registered in large EPs, so then. The pilots beat them on the sea, planted them on stones, but somehow they did not collide with seagulls.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Exactly that air-to-air. To miss on such a slow, maneuvering, heat and radio contrast target must be contrived.
                        Jamming and electronic warfare passed you by, I'm not surprised. The "Lun" was at least equipped at the level of the Tu-95MS, and most likely the MRK "Ovod", and taking into account the power supply of the ship's level, it could put radio interference impenetrable for the seeker of that time, and real curtains of IR traps. I repeat, that time, otherwise examples from 2000 will begin.
                      3. 0
                        20 July 2021 20: 26
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Are you delusional? 220 tons, neither the radio horizon will provide a little, nor the power of the radar

                        Radar Su-35 Irbis, placed in the Su-35 itself, has a power of 5 kW, target detection range with EPR of 3 m2 400 km. The radio horizon is provided by the height of the grating, well, it will be 20 meters instead of 15, not critical.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And the Bora radar is an analogue of the Monolit-ME, and its range in passive mode is about 400 km, so the approximate characteristics are known.

                        What do you confirm with the link?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Oh, well, of course, only instead of "Wasp-M" you can put something newer, but instead of nothing, as on the Chinese, you can put nothing.

                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Well, of course, there is no need, only the RTO 22800 is being fenced for some reason, with the target designation range unchanged, which is not even close to the Chinese, here are the naval dummies, there is no question to ask you.

                        The fact of the matter is that there will probably not be a continuation of Bora's series. Played enough.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Yes, I was mistaken, like with the Mosquitoes, I did not notice.

                        I already get used to it. Do not worry)))
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Those. coastal voyages, fishermen and others are missing on the inland sea? Amazing erudition.

                        You don't know how Lun's tests were arranged. Most likely, a piece of the water area was closed, all fishermen were driven out for their own benefit.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        And the logic is no less striking, but what will the width of the highway be, and what will be the distance between the stumps, and you can turn on the headlights or radar, but do you have to go along the highway?

                        Well, let it be an asphalted area kilometer by kilometer. Turn on the headlights naturally, and at the same time turn on the rain, cloudy weather, insufficient visibility. The distance and the number of stumps are certainly important from the point of view of time, how much you manage to drive across this area. A couple of minutes or a couple of hours. And turn on the radar at will, we now know that ships are often made of fiberglass, i.e. by Stealth technology.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Why would Turkey not miss a warship? Or was the Montreux convention canceled?

                        Why would the Chinese butt the Turks for the Liaoning passage for a year?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        It's not interesting to argue with you, your level is poor. "Ever Given" got everyone 55 m wide, aircraft carriers who wander around the Suez as they want 80 m wide and have nothing with the counter.

                        Thank you for your kind words. Well, if Evergiven goes through Suez, then everything is normal. There are no questions about dimensions.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Only seagulls do not lend themselves to overclocking, but they do not climb under the turbines either, and for several years of intensive testing not a single incident with birds has been registered in large EPs, so then. The pilots beat them on the sea, planted them on stones, but somehow they did not collide with seagulls.

                        Everything happens for the first time. Kinetic energy at the level of small arms.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Jamming and electronic warfare passed you by, I'm not surprised. The "Lun" was at least equipped at the level of the Tu-95MS, and most likely the MRK "Ovod", and taking into account the power supply of the ship's level, it could put radio interference, impenetrable for the seeker of that time, and real curtains of IR traps.

                        And what about the Tu-95MS, by virtue of its electronic warfare, an indestructible pepelats? What difference does it make to how Lun was equipped if it is stupid to let him go anywhere.
                        The level of your infantilism is amazing. Do you really think the whole world is stupid, and the Alekseev Design Bureau is all in white?
                      4. 0
                        21 July 2021 04: 49
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Radar Su-35 Irbis, placed in the Su-35 itself, has a power of 5 kW, target detection range with EPR of 3 m2 400 km.
                        To begin with, its peak search power is 20 kW, and in continuation at what altitudes and in what conditions should the target and the aircraft be located in order to realize the maximum technical range of the radar at the maximum radiation power? And this range is provided by a narrow beam and peak power, and strictly on a head-on course, so it's pure advertising. And naval radars work near the surface, taking into account the reflection from the wave, taking into account the evaporation and splashes, and ensuring the over-the-horizon range for reflection from the ionosphere or whatever sphere. And in addition to the actual power per antenna and the weight of such an antenna, more power is needed to ensure the reception and processing of the signal, and the volume and weight for this matter. Plus, passive radar requires its own, namely, it gives 400 km of detection range.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        The radio horizon is provided by the height of the grating, well, it will be 20 meters instead of 15, not critical.
                        Hand face! 20 m altitude gives a maximum of 45 km of the radio horizon, for the Chinese max. height 12 meters on a circular antenna, very flimsy look. However, I don't give a damn about the Chinese and Stiletto.


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        And the Bora radar is an analogue of the Monolit-ME, and its range in passive mode is about 400 km, so the approximate characteristics are known.
                        What do you confirm with the link?
                        When I wrote that your knowledge about EP is near-zero, I didn’t just write it like that, I started from my knowledge, and I prepared myself, not especially for you, however. There are links.
                        https://roe.ru/catalog/voenno-morskoy-flot/korabelnye-radioelektronnye-sistemy/mineral-me/ Это внешний вид антенн и характеристики комплекса.

                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/vkartoteke/kaspiiskii-gruz-progulka-po-ekranoplanu-lun-5fc3a3d7d57ee927523ea658?&disable_feed_under_article=false
                        There is an internal view of the "Moon" and a photo of the antennas in particular, towards the end of the post.
                        There is an almost complete identity! Personally, this is my pride, because I dug it out myself, and the names of the complexes for "Bora" and for "Lunya" are not tied to anything at all, it is useless to look for links.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        The fact of the matter is that there will probably not be a continuation of Bora's series. Played enough.
                        Not most likely, but definitely not, development can and will be, the Swedes with their skeg ships are certainly developing.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        You don't know how Lun's tests were arranged. Most likely, a piece of the water area was closed, all fishermen were driven out for their own benefit.
                        Most likely, if only if only "Lunya" went and KM and four Orlyonok, as they wanted and where they wanted. And for the "Lunya", if anything, it was closed, then at the time of missile launches.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Well, let it be an asphalted area kilometer by kilometer. Turn on the headlights naturally, and at the same time turn on the rain, cloudy weather, insufficient visibility.
                        You have trouble with scaling, according to the first comments it is still faintly noticeable, but now it is obvious. If the sea, even the Caspian one, is taken as a kilometer-long penny, then why would the EP and ships be the size of a car, eh? And the relative speeds will also have to be lowered, you want it, do you understand it, anyway.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        And turn on the radar at will, we now know that ships are often made of fiberglass, i.e. by Stealth technology.
                        Civilian vessels MUST have certain radio-reflective characteristics. And from five km, at least some stealth will be detected, and this is 30-40 seconds. before collision at 500 km / h.


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Yes, I was mistaken, like with the Mosquitoes, I did not notice.
                        I already get used to it. Do not worry)))
                        I'm glad for you, at least some kind of outlet for you.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Why would the Chinese butt the Turks for the Liaoning passage for a year?
                        Well, really, depressing. Is Liaoning an EP, a destroyer or a submarine?


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Thank you for your kind words. Well, if Evergiven goes through Suez, then everything is normal. There are no questions about dimensions.
                        Are you ironically so? Well, okay, otherwise I thought you'd continue about the monstrous figure of 44 meters.


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Everything happens for the first time. Kinetic energy at the level of small arms.
                        Oh, do not make a tragedy out of the blue, 500 km / h and the carcass of a seagull for a 300-ton warship with 8 turbines to spit and grind, and even with a small probability

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Exactly that air-to-air. To miss on such a slow, maneuvering, heat and radio contrast target must be contrived.

                        How do you dislike small missile ships, missile boats, small anti-submarine and landing ships. laughing

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        And what about the Tu-95MS, by virtue of its electronic warfare, an indestructible pepelats? What difference does it make to how Lun was equipped if it is stupid to let him go anywhere.
                        Simply amazing mmm, selectivity of thinking, the "easy-to-drive" Tu-95MS can be produced somewhere, but the "Lun" turns out to be unreleased. All RTOs and all RCs, according to your logic, should stand at the wall and be afraid, because they cannot even get away from helicopters.


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        The level of your infantilism is amazing. Do you really think the whole world is stupid, and the Alekseev Design Bureau is all in white?
                        As I wrote, "selective thinking"? I mean narrow-mindedness blinkeredness. You can give a bunch of examples when the whole world is stupid and 1-2-3 countries are all in white. Because the rest stupidly cannot.
                      5. 0
                        21 July 2021 23: 07
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        To begin with, its peak search power is 20 kW, and in continuation at what altitudes and in what conditions should the target and the aircraft be located in order to realize the maximum technical range of the radar at the maximum radiation power? And this range is provided by a narrow beam and peak power, and strictly on a head-on course, so it's pure advertising.

                        What's the difference what the peak power of the radar is. You argued that Hubei's power-to-weight ratio would not be enough for the appropriate radar. The power consumption is clearly less, but even in the case of 20 kW with a power plant of 7000 HP, it is easy.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Plus, passive radar requires its own, namely, it gives 400 km of detection range.

                        Then what nafig 20 kW, if we are talking about passive radar.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Hand face! 20 m altitude gives a maximum of 45 km of the radio horizon, for the Chinese max. height 12 meters on a circular antenna, very flimsy look. However, I don't give a damn about the Chinese and Stiletto.

                        Don't give a damn and don't give a damn. You might think Bora has more than 20. Meters 15-17 if you look at the top ball.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        When I wrote that your knowledge about EP is near-zero, I didn’t just write it like that, I started from my knowledge, and I prepared myself, not especially for you, however. There are links.
                        https://roe.ru/catalog/voenno-morskoy-flot/korabelnye-radioelektronnye-sistemy/mineral-me/ Это внешний вид антенн и характеристики комплекса.

                        https://zen.yandex.ru/media/vkartoteke/kaspiiskii-gruz-progulka-po-ekranoplanu-lun-5fc3a3d7d57ee927523ea658?&disable_feed_under_article=false
                        There is an internal view of the "Moon" and a photo of the antennas in particular, towards the end of the post.

                        You stated that Bora's radar is similar to Mineral, and you link to Lunya's radar. Very cute. And after that, to my "near-zero knowledge" about EP. Famously twisted.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Civilian vessels MUST have certain radio-reflective characteristics. And from five km, at least some stealth will be detected, and this is 30-40 seconds. before collision at 500 km / h.

                        Come on. This is some kind of fantasy. Never heard. Maybe give confirmation.
                        Well, here is a yacht of 10 meters made of fiberglass or some RIB. Stands with a nose. Quite a real situation. 5 km - maybe yes, maybe not. Let's say you're lucky. Found out. In 30 seconds, you need to figure out which direction to dodge. And with maneuverability, we do not remember gardens. And if the RIB is high-speed? And turns in the same direction. In general, to summarize, the situation is very dangerous and at the same time quite typical. The only hope is for the radar, which is already dangerous, and for the pilot's quick reaction.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Well, really, depressing. Is Liaoning an EP, a destroyer or a submarine?

                        Depressing of course. And what do ekranoplanes often sail through the straits? Surely there are rules of passage and it is not a fact that the same Lun will fit into these rules. Banned - will you break through with a fight?
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        How do you dislike small missile ships, missile boats, small anti-submarine and landing ships.

                        All of the above, it is usually coastal and, if possible, is covered by its older brothers, its aviation, sometimes it has its own air defense system in order to snap back. But the EP has a chance to meet in an open field with the same F-18 one on one.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Simply amazing mmm, selectivity of thinking, the "easy-to-drive" Tu-95MS can be produced somewhere, but the "Lun" turns out to be unreleased. All RTOs and all RCs, according to your logic, should stand at the wall and be afraid, because they cannot even get away from helicopters.

                        "Easily knocked down Tu-95" has a speed 2 times higher, a ceiling of 12000 meters, has no restrictions on the use (not only the Caspian puddle) and missiles for 5000 km.
                        Quote: Vladimir_2U
                        Because the rest stupidly cannot.

                        Rather, they understand the uselessness. If the topic was promising, there would be attempts to implement it.
                      6. 0
                        22 July 2021 12: 16
                        Quote: Winnie76
                        What's the difference what the peak power of the radar is. You argued that Hubei's power-to-weight ratio would not be enough for the appropriate radar.
                        Let's not lie, because:
                        Winnie76] It is one thing to give target designation at 250 km, and another thing at 600. We need a completely different radar.
                        Vladimir_2U] 220 tons neither the radio horizon will provide a little, nor the power of the radar. Unlike you, I understand that 250 km is an over-the-horizon range even for a large ship, and a very long one, and the corresponding radar for working at such a range is over-the-horizon. And if you dragged an aviation line-of-sight radar, and even lowering its power and at the same time considering it over-the-horizon, then this shows, for the umpteenth time, your level.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Then what nafig 20 kW, if we are talking about passive radar.
                        You did not say anything about the passive radar, and it seems that you do not understand that it requires both antennas and volumes and capacities for processing equipment, of individual from the active tract of the complex.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Don't give a damn and don't give a damn. You might think Bora has more than 20. Meters 15-17 if you look at the top ball.
                        But Bora has an over-the-horizon radar installed. And the size of a ball with a weight, if 220 Chinese is not turned over, then its agility will be greatly reduced.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        You stated that Bora's radar is similar to Mineral, and you link to Lunya's radar. Very cute. And after that, to my "near-zero knowledge" about EP. Famously twisted.
                        Are you really sad, "Lun" is almost three times lighter than "Bora", can it carry a more powerful radar system? Although why riddles, they are clearly not for you. Wipe, rinse, open your eyes! The link to Mineral clearly shows the radio-transparent casing of the radar, completely identical to that on the Ovod Bor and Project 956.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Come on. This is some kind of fantasy. Never heard. Maybe give confirmation.
                        It's just a misfortune, that's who to consider a person who believes that if he hasn't heard something, then this is "something" - fiction?

                        The International Maritime Organization (IMO) believes ... vitalthat small craft, which in this case are considered vessels of less than 150 gross tonnage, be equipped with radar reflectors (RLO) to enhance the reflected radar signal, which will ensure their visibility on the radar screen.
                        This standard defines the minimum requirements for SART ... in accordance with the requirements of IMO resolution MSC.164 (78) (Appendix YES).

                        Your further speculations about RL of visibility are negligible in light of the requirement.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        In 30 seconds, you need to figure out which direction to dodge. And with maneuverability, we do not remember gardens.
                        These are not gardens in your imagination, but hemp, an asphalt penny and a car, by the way, how are they doing, laughing figured out the scales and speeds? And EP even at 500 km / h (max speed, which is not always developed) and 15 degrees. roll, which can easily be increased by lifting, in 15 seconds. will turn it 15-20 degrees. And since your reasoning about the invisibility of small vessels is insignificant, then the distance can be easily increased by a couple of three times.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Depressing of course. And what do ekranoplanes often sail through the straits? Surely there are rules of passage and it is not a fact that the same Lun will fit into these rules. Banned - will you break through with a fight?
                        Where did you come from at all? This is who you have to be to be clever about the straits and not know a damn thing about the Montreux convention!


                        Quote: Winnie76
                        All of the above, it is usually coastal and, if possible, is covered by its older brothers, its aviation, sometimes it has its own air defense system in order to snap back. But the EP has a chance to meet in an open field with the same F-18 one on one.
                        Well, what are you being clever, it is simply amazing not to know a damn thing about the subject and to be clever! EP type Lun is, in terms of range, a ship of the near sea zone, on a par with RTOs and other corvettes, anti-submarine warriors! But it will turn out to be 10 (ten) times faster to dump under the cover of the EP.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        "Easily knocked down Tu-95" has a speed 2 times higher, a ceiling of 12000 meters, has no restrictions on the use (not only the Caspian puddle) and missiles for 5000 km.
                        That's just when meeting with an enemy fighter, all this, except for the electronic warfare system, will not be able to help him. But the EP "Lun", in addition to electronic warfare, also has many times greater physical survivability. Well, the nonsense about the Caspian as the only place for the EP was and remains nonsense. Although to you it looks like an object of faith.

                        Quote: Winnie76
                        Rather, they understand the uselessness. If the topic was promising, there would be attempts to implement it.
                        Another subject of belief is that "everyone abroad is smart."

                        And where there is faith, there is reason, at best, asleep.
                    2. +1
                      19 July 2021 16: 54
                      Quote: Winnie76
                      And on the same 7000 HP it gives a not bad speed of 38 knots. I'm talking about boats Hubei pr 022.

                      Oh yes, I forgot, the not bad speed of the Chinese automatically gives a good wake and noises, so the example is not at all on the topic.
                      1. 0
                        19 July 2021 21: 46
                        By the way, about the wake. And comrades do not think that the discrepancy between the size of the wake and the size of the vessel - can be an unmasking factor?
    2. Eug
      0
      19 July 2021 11: 35
      I am only slightly embarrassed by the decrease in resistance - in theory, if the water flow is twisted into a spiral, the area washed by it increases and the resistance increases accordingly. Perhaps the effect is achieved by pushing out - as written in the article, but I would like more details ...
    3. ada
      0
      19 July 2021 16: 51
      No, it is impossible - different principles of movement and obtained characteristics. Judging by the materials, this is a study of the issues of reducing the cost of projects of narrowly specialized vessels (ships) with the manufacture of shipbuilding facilities on a third-party ready-made base using the developments in the manufacture of composite multi-hull and spliced ​​products (punches, composites, molding technologies). The nature of the architecture (wide and flattened hangar-type hull) and the specificity of the bottom contours with a large wetted surface, the "knife-like" side elements, the shallow transom rudder propellers visible in the photo with protection do not allow us to speak about the speeds available to ships on the VP. How the vessel behaves at the declared speeds in waves and with fresh winds is not indicated. It is difficult to invent something new in the design of semi-gliding and planing hulls and usually it is a very capricious range of dimensions, power, VI and speeds. I don’t know what can “curl” under the cheekbone of a cardinally new thing, maybe the water is different?
  4. +5
    19 July 2021 05: 57
    Thanks for the interesting article. Really, I read it with enthusiasm.
  5. +4
    19 July 2021 08: 41
    Calling the Karman track, which arose when the wind was flowing around the mountain and visualized by the cloud layer (satellite image) as an analogue of the track from the ship, is more than a bold statement, if not to say otherwise.
  6. PPD
    -2
    19 July 2021 10: 53
    Simply put, they hung an electronic warfare system on this pelvis. But pontov- then.
    Those. If I understood correctly, if 10 pieces - conditionally UAV Okhotnik - try to throw on this vessel conditionally pieces of 12 Caliber and something else interesting for 250 kilograms - nothing shines for them? laughing
  7. 0
    19 July 2021 11: 36
    And the seaworthiness of this "raft" ... he will endure a quick score. Or at 5-6 the crew will be "gutted" inside out. Splash ... splash ... indefinitely.
  8. +1
    19 July 2021 14: 44
    Quote: Winnie76
    But ekranoplanes are a dead-end branch of evolution.

    Why do you think so?! Justify please!
    1. 0
      14 August 2021 05: 48
      This is justified by the fact that aircraft are better than ekranoplanes in everything.
      1. 0
        15 August 2021 11: 59
        Quote: SVD68
        This is justified by the fact that aircraft are better than ekranoplanes in everything
        laughing Airplanes float especially well! Compare a snake with a hedgehog, dear. Each technique has its own tasks, so it's not worth comparing warm with soft, but your answer is clear! hi
        1. 0
          15 August 2021 14: 54
          So ekranoplanes have the task of swimming in order to swim, and not to go out on the screen?
          1. 0
            15 August 2021 16: 12
            Quote: SVD68
            and not to go out on the screen?

            You wrote
            planes are better than ekranoplanes in everything.
            But EPs are based not on airfields, but in ports, so it cannot be compared with an airplane. I repeat
            a missile carrier for "destruction of surface ships with a displacement of up to 20 tons from naval strike groups, amphibious formations, convoys and single ships, both displacement and hydrofoils and an air cushion outside the opposition of enemy aviation (including AWACS)." )
            and also from another post
            It is not a matter of seaworthiness, it was not created for this, but in the speed with which the EP goes over the water. It was planned as a percussion instrument with which it was possible to very quickly stop a direct threat, destroying the AUG in a time completely inaccessible to the fleet.
            But all this is true only for Lun. Orlyonok has other tasks. I hope I answered quite fully. smile
            1. 0
              15 August 2021 17: 19
              Quote: businessv
              But EPs are based not on airfields, but in ports, therefore it cannot be compared with an airplane.

              So what's the point of basing it on water?
              In terms of the method of action, it is just analogous to an airplane - it flew out of the base, struck with missiles, and returned to the base.

              Quote: businessv
              Repeat

              This is how the missile carriers will do it better.

              Quote: businessv
              and also from another post

              And again, missile carriers are able to accomplish this task faster.
              1. 0
                15 August 2021 18: 19
                Quote: SVD68
                And again, missile carriers are able to accomplish this task faster.
                I see that you do not understand either the difference in the purpose or in the direct application. Can't help it. Do you think that AUG planes will silently watch as they are destroyed? EP was created because all opponents thought the same way as you do. It's easy to understand! Can you really compare the payload of an EP and an airplane? You do not take into account one more simple point: at the time when the electronic devices were being developed, no one could have thought that the ship was capable of developing such a speed with a take-off weight of 380 tons! Today it is useless for use in a database, but in those years it was planned differently. It will be interesting, read https://vk.com/@kpc_arhe-chem-ekranoplany-luchshe-korablei-i-samoletov a little here https://ria.ru/20210505/ekranoplan-1730641608.html
  9. +2
    19 July 2021 14: 55
    Quote: Winnie76
    And what about the passages along the Suez Canal? Take a detour?
    For some reason, you assigned Lun a bunch of tasks for which such devices have never been set! They tested it in the Caspian because it was a secret technique, a missile carrier for "destruction of surface ships with a displacement of up to 20 tons from naval strike groups, amphibious formations, convoys and single ships, both displacement and hydrofoils and an air cushion outside the opposition of aviation. (including AWACS) of the enemy. "(c) Each cricket has its own six! For these purposes, you do not need to go through the channels. If you are not in the know, then there were many modifications of the EP, including flying ones.
  10. +2
    19 July 2021 18: 15
    I am tormented by vague doubts about seaworthiness, all these bells and whistles are good while there is no wave.
    As the owner of 420 Rotana, I tell you this.
    Once I bought it because of the video as it jumps from the water onto the ice on skegs and fills it further.
    And with a wave of half a meter, it turns into an ordinary mattress.
    1. +3
      19 July 2021 19: 41
      I am plagued by vague doubts that the effect of low visibility of the wake wake takes place only in a narrow range of speeds and sea surface conditions.
    2. 0
      15 August 2021 12: 07
      Quote: bk316
      And with a wave of half a meter, it turns into an ordinary mattress.
      Duc is a mattress, only with a motor! smile It is not a matter of seaworthiness, it was not created for this, but in the speed with which the EP goes over the water. It was planned as a percussion instrument with which it was possible to very quickly stop a direct threat, destroying the AUG in a time completely inaccessible to the fleet.
  11. +1
    19 July 2021 21: 07
    So testing a system capable of constantly monitoring the environment, detecting and suppressing small flying objects is a decent step forward.


    And how is his defense?