Hidden messages to the West and Ukraine in Putin's article

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Putin's conceptual article "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" raises questions not only about the past and future of Ukraine, but also about Russia's attitude to the so-called post-Soviet states, and warns the West that Russia no longer intends to tolerate his attempts to create anti-Russian bridgeheads.

With a rather peaceful tone of the article, one can feel a change in the vector of relations with post-Soviet limitrophes and Western "partners". On the example of Ukraine, disagreement with the "robbery" of Russia during the collapse of the Soviet Union is expressed and a transparent hint is made about the return of the primordially Russian lands and the prevention of their use for the formation of another anti-Russia.



Patrimony


To substantiate his position, Putin makes a deep excursion into history and reveals its interpretations, which are fundamentally different from those imposed today by the Ukrainian government and the elite. He recalls that only in cooperation and unity with Russia, the population of this territory lived much better than under the patronage of its western neighbors. Justifies and proves the trinity of the Russian people: that the Russians, Ukrainians and Belarusians are three branches of one people, emerged from a single Old Russian root led by the Rurik dynasty and adopted the Orthodox faith. Putin, as it were, casually recalls that it is not for nothing that Kiev has been considered the “mother of Russian cities” since ancient times, emphasizing the Russian origin of today's capital of Ukraine. This is a reminder for Lukashenka, who promotes the theory of the Lithuanian roots of Belarusians with an attempt to discredit the idea of ​​the Russian World in order to justify the multi-vector policy.

The Russian president reveals the role of Moscow in uniting the Russian lands, which after the Mongol invasion found themselves under the rule of other states. Western lands were subject to polonization, and only Moscow became a "gatherer of Russian lands", since it found the strength to regain independence and annex other Russian lands. He recalls how the inhabitants of Little Russia themselves sought to unite with Moscow, sought support from people of the same faith and one language, and supported the uprising led by Bogdan Khmelnitsky. The will of the people was realized by the Pereyaslav Rada, which approved the entry of the Little Russian lands into the unified Russian state, despite the resistance of a part of the then elite (hetmanate), which sought to "secede" from Russia.

This is an overt hint that Russia is going to return the lost territories. Today's Ukrainian elites, who are trying to represent Russia as a hostile state against the will of the population and to integrate with the West, need to think about their future. Putin unequivocally hints to these elites how this ended for Mazepa and how those who supported Moscow received a high status in the Russian Empire and occupied key posts in it.

Putin draws far-reaching conclusions from the history of the annexation of the Black Sea region and the Wild Field to Russia as a result of long and bloody wars with Turkey. These lands, which later became Novorossia, were mastered by the Russian administration, Russian cities were built there, where the Little Russian population flocked from the oppression of the Poles and Austrians.
Western Russian lands (Galicia and Transcarpathia) went to Poland and Austria and underwent harsh assimilation and Catholicization, but still retained their Russian roots. Putin emphasizes the colossal difference in attitudes towards the Little Russian population in Novorossiya and Poland, where they were second-class people and, in the interests of the new masters, were made hostile to Russia, which led to an even greater degradation of the western Russian lands.
The Russian president recalls how the attempt to create a Ukrainian state after the collapse of the Russian Empire ended - the Ukrainian People's Republic under the protectorate of Austria and Germany based on the ideas of Ukrainian nationalism. As successive "leaders" betrayed their people and looked for a master in the West, ready to fall under external control. This did not lead to anything good, all the fake "states" of the Civil War have sunk into obscurity. Putin explains the collapse of the then Ukrainian statehood by the readiness of the elite to "bend" in front of external forces, making it clear that today the Ukrainian authorities are continuing the deplorable path of their predecessors.

The Russian president criticized the national policy of the Bolsheviks for "pushing" the southeastern Russian lands into the Ukrainian SSR and the formation of three separate Slavic peoples instead of the large Russian nation of a triune people, consisting of Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians, as well as giving them republican status with the right to exit from the Union, which became a "time bomb" that led to the collapse of the country. He also mentioned the notorious policy of the 20s on the "indigenousization" of peoples, which led to the imposition of the Ukrainian language to the detriment of the Russian language, and also publicly called the Khrushchev's transfer of Crimea illegal. This is the question - "whose Crimea".

Putin makes the far-reaching conclusion that modern Ukraine is the brainchild of the Soviet era, and it was created at the expense of historical Russia, and when it left the Union, in comparison with the territory with which it was reunited in the XNUMXth century, it was fabulously enriched, and “Russia in fact was robbed. " The president had never made such harsh statements about Ukraine before.

In essence, the Russian president for the first time systematically outlined a new concept of the history of relations between Russia and Ukraine, which has been utterly distorted in Ukraine and is trying to play off the two branches of the single Russian people. Putin spoke to the triune Russian people before, now he has convincingly substantiated his concept on specific examples of our common history.

Instead of the concept of "two fraternal peoples" that had prevailed since Soviet times, the President proposed a different concept - "Ukrainians and Russians are one people" and showed how they are trying to turn Ukrainians into "anti-Russian". This message about a single people is addressed to the population of Ukraine, which has not yet abandoned its Russianness and is ready to return to its historical roots.

This concept applies not only to Ukraine, but to the entire post-Soviet space, in the vastness of which terry nationalism and Russophobia flourished with an attempt to humiliate and insult the Russian people for their alleged "aggressiveness and centuries-old oppression" for them the level and where they have dropped now - after receiving national statehood.

Based on the results of a digression into history, the president draws serious conclusions that are of strategic importance for modern Russia. He makes it clear that the territorial division of the Union was unfair, the republics came out with territorial acquisitions at the expense of Russian lands and this issue can be revised. Such a message is addressed not only to Ukraine, it may concern Kazakhstan, the Baltic countries and other former republics that received "allotments" of Russian lands from the Bolsheviks.

Inadmissibility of the formation of anti-Russia


Putin's messages are intended not only for Kiev, but also in many ways for the West.

In the article, he returns several times to the topic of external control of Ukraine, which "was being dragged into a dangerous geopolitical game, the goal of which is to turn Ukraine into a barrier between Europe and Russia, into a bridgehead against Russia." The concept “Ukraine is not Russia” did not suit the West anymore and, together with the Ukrainian elite, began to forcibly change the identity of the Ukrainian population, introduce bans on the Russian language, and impose nationalism and Russophobia. Ukraine was strenuously turned into anti-Russia, with which Russia will never reconcile, while "Russia has never been and will never be anti-Ukraine." That is, the president says in plain text that Moscow will not allow Ukraine to turn into anti-Russia.

Putin stresses that

“All the tricks associated with the anti-Russia project are clear to us. And we will never allow our historical territories and people who are close to us living there to be used against Russia. And to those who make such an attempt, I want to say that in this way they will destroy their country. "

The Russian president directly hints at Western attempts to make a bridgehead out of Ukraine against Russia by placing NATO military infrastructure on its territory to strike at Russia, as well as fomenting a military conflict in Donbass, pushing Ukraine to delay and non-fulfillment of the Minsk agreements and to try to return Donbass by force. Putin makes it clear that the answer will be much more serious than in 2014, and this could lead to the "destruction of the country", about which he has already warned more than once. The events of the spring of 2021, when Russia, in response to the provocations of Ukraine, demonstrated its determination to use its military force, pulling a powerful military grouping to the western borders, showed that Russia does not intend to joke in the event of an aggravation of the situation.

Putin is convinced that the trinity of the people of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus has not disappeared and will not disappear, “no matter how hard someone tries,” as an example he cites religious consciousness, which cannot be rooted out by any violent actions. Millions of people in Ukraine would like to restore relations with Russia, but the Ukrainian elites, fulfilling the will of their puppeteers, do not allow this to be done. The position of today's Kiev is not the choice of the people, but of the corrupt elite, and this choice is far from being final. Putin believes that the population is unlikely to look calmly at the "eccentricities" of their government, hinting at the possibility of overthrowing the ruling regime.

The Russian leadership cannot but be concerned about the active implementation of the Anti-Russia project in Ukraine. The President expects that Russian concerns will be taken seriously by those who have begun the military development of the territory of Ukraine.

This programmatic article is, in fact, an analytical material about the emerging relations with Ukraine in qualitatively different conditions.

Using the example of Ukraine and its puppeteers, Putin demonstrates that Russia is entering the stage of returning to the top league of world states and will not allow anyone to infringe on Russian interests, especially in the post-Soviet space.
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  1. +22
    17 July 2021 05: 30
    Once again, they are sculpting a great grandmaster from Putin. laughing When will he so smart remember that politics is a continuation of the economy, and not vice versa? The country has been living in the paradigm of a walking woman for more than a dozen years (what I have is what I trade), and we are all discussing messages and messages, and looking for the guilty. Now the damned West, then the Outskirts, then the Polovtsy with the Khazars. Convenient.
    1. +7
      17 July 2021 05: 48
      Of course, I also treat Putin, so to speak, from the standpoint of the people, the rise in the cost of food and the construction of materials, low wages, the economic situation of the people and the country in a deep crisis, but I think that in the article he wrote common truths, the triune people, our territories, the mistakes of the Bolsheviks, to fight ready.
      1. +27
        17 July 2021 07: 01
        Quote: Pessimist22
        the triune people, our territories, the mistakes of the Bolsheviks, are ready to fight.

        1) The people are one, but in order to have even the slightest prerequisites for reunification, it is necessary to create conditions for the people of Ukraine and Belarus to want to create one state. Now this does not exist, and it will not exist under our oligarchic power. At least fill up with messages, but the word halva in your mouth will not be sweeter.
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Bolshevik mistakes

        Maybe it's enough to look for the guilty? It was not for nothing that I mentioned the Polovtsy with the Khazars.
        Quote: Pessimist22
        ready to fight.

        Not. Any war implies losses, including in technology. Do we have an industry that can be mobilized? Not.
        1. +24
          17 July 2021 11: 24
          The Bolsheviks are to blame ...
          It is not difficult to appoint an extreme.
          But the question arises, what did the President of the Russian Federation do for 20 years, while Ukraine slowly but surely floated to the West to stop this movement?
          1. +1
            18 July 2021 01: 45
            I will make a reservation right away that in our state the role of the individual is determined by the State. This has been the practice since the time of Ivan the Terrible (I could be mistaken here, perhaps Kalita - there is no exact date for the creation of the state security service). It would take too long to answer.
            The simplest option: why did the Wehrmacht troops approach Moscow in 1941, when fresh troops were stationed to the north, south and east? We need to buy time!
          2. -1
            18 July 2021 18: 47
            Quote: u-345
            The Bolsheviks are to blame ...
            It is not difficult to appoint an extreme.
            But the question arises, what did the President of the Russian Federation do for 20 years, while Ukraine slowly but surely floated to the West to stop this movement?

            Because Putin is the continuer of the Bolshevik Russophobia
        2. +16
          17 July 2021 12: 59
          The fact that instead of the idea of ​​a triunity of Little Russians, Great Russians and Belarusians, the Bolsheviks promoted the idea of ​​the unity of aspirations of three fraternal, but different peoples, is hardly a mistake. It just follows directly from the ideology of internationalism. Who were Lenin and his associates in the first place - fighters for Great Russia or fighters for the happiness of the proletariat? The answer, in my opinion, is obvious.

          It was Stalin who returned to the position of patriotism, albeit in a new edition. As for the "time bomb", the Bolsheviks reassembled the country, doing it to the best of their ability and understanding. Now it is easy to find errors in their actions, imaginary and real, only in football, as you know, the one who sits on the fence plays the best.
          1. +5
            17 July 2021 15: 24
            I agree on all points Artyom, but from the fence it is realistic to assess the game more objectively, even without being a player. hi
            1. +4
              17 July 2021 18: 52
              Only, it seems to me that I have not quite clearly indicated that I do not share the internationalism of the Bolsheviks. At least its original version. As well as their consent to consider Ukrainians as a separate people. They just acted correctly within the framework of their ideology. It worked for 70 years, two.
              1. +1
                17 July 2021 19: 39
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                They just acted correctly within the framework of their ideology. This has worked for 70 years

                It worked, it worked, and in 1991 it worked.
                1. +3
                  17 July 2021 23: 13
                  Yes, it worked until the Soviet elite disintegrated, like the imperial elite before. There are many such examples outside of Russia.
                  1. -2
                    19 July 2021 21: 16
                    The elite in the USSR was not so much Soviet as Marxist. The goal of Marx was the destruction of the Russian Empire, and the Russian people automatically became the main enemy for the "real" Marxists. They say that the Russians are good only as brushwood for fomenting the world revolution.
                    The current elite, I suspect, is still the same Marxist, but with personal capital that one does not want to lose under any circumstances.
              2. 0
                17 July 2021 20: 23
                Quote: Artyom Karagodin
                which I did not quite clearly indicate
                I understood you right away. And my opinion is the same.
                1. +1
                  17 July 2021 23: 12
                  I am very glad, Igor))). It's always nice to know that you agree with someone, even if on one subject. Perhaps not for one, but we will find out over time. I will carefully read your comments)))) good
          2. -6
            17 July 2021 17: 29
            I approve of Yuri Mikhailovich's article, although I did not like his neutral paragraph about the Bolsheviks.

            I myself have also carefully read an interesting, thorough, multi-faceted long article by Vladimir Vladimirovich almost accurate and correct, with which I basically agree. I DO NOT agree and VERY DID NOT like three points.

            First - a passage about the fallacy and perniciousness of the policy of the Bolsheviks and the Soviet government on the national question. I consider it contrived: those people that time acted according to reality his time. And for of time they acted correctly! Wrong accuse those people from positions of today's days!

            Second - Why did the Russian authorities recognize and help the authorities of the Bandera coup after 2014? Recognition and assistance BEFORE 2014 is a stretch, but understandable. BUT AFTER 2014 - VERY doubtful. Help to ordinary Ukrainians is understandable, but coup d'état is not!

            The third - the words "...what Ukraine should be - it is up to its citizens to decide". It is not entirely clear what Vladimir Vladimirovich means by this. If after liberation from the American-Bandera oppression, then, of course, it is true. the very active population of Ukraine is now so tightly under the control of the Americans / ukrovlast / SBU / Bandera (and all the leaders-passionaries were killed / imprisoned / fled) that they can neither organize a powerful struggle nor take power on their own WITHOUT outside help.... And only Russia can provide such assistance. To offer the citizens of Ukraine to free themselves is the same as to offer the citizens of Germany of the Third Reich to free themselves on their own. JV Stalin understood this well. I hope that Putin also understands this and will act like Stalin!
            1. 0
              17 July 2021 23: 17
              Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
              to the citizens of Ukraine, it is all the same what it would be like to offer the citizens of Germany of the Third Reich to free themselves independently. JV Stalin understood this well. I hope that Putin also understands this and will act like Stalin!

              An occupation??? Do the citizens agree? Are the citizens of Ukraine ready?
              1. -2
                18 July 2021 09: 03
                Quote: your1970
                An occupation??? Do the citizens agree? Are the citizens of Ukraine ready?

                You know, yes, ready! At least almost everyone around me. And, as far as I know, most of the citizens of Ukraine. That you and your brothers do NOT agree with this nothing You cannot change: you cannot stop the wheel of history, it will crush you. smile
                1. +1
                  18 July 2021 09: 10
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  And, as far as I know, most of the citizens of Ukraine.
                  -How many Pravosekov were killed by civilians last night ?? ah, not a single one ...
                  That is, they sit and wait - when will our troops come to the entire territory of Ukraine and free them?
                  Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                  it would be to offer the citizens of Germany of the Third Reich to free themselves on their own.
                  - And then the citizens Reich Of Ukraine they said - that's all Fuhrer Zelensky, we just followed orders, we were always against him, and the fact that 17 waves of mobilization were carried out is not for us, this is not us, uhthen probably aliens have been fighting with the LPNR for 7 (!!!!!!) years
                  An extremely convenient position for the citizens of Ukraine, why is it there ...
                  1. -3
                    18 July 2021 16: 43
                    Quote: your1970
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    And, as far as I know, most of the citizens of Ukraine.
                    -How many Pravosekov were killed by civilians last night ?? ah, not a single one ...
                    That is, they sit and wait - when will our troops come to the entire territory of Ukraine and free them?
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    it would be to offer the citizens of Germany of the Third Reich to free themselves on their own.
                    - And then the citizens Reich Of Ukraine they said - that's all Fuhrer Zelensky, we just followed orders, we were always against him, and the fact that 17 waves of mobilization were carried out is not for us, this is not us, uhthen probably aliens have been fighting with the LPNR for 7 (!!!!!!) years
                    An extremely convenient position for the citizens of Ukraine, why is it there ...

                    Listen, couch hero, and what about himself, personally did you make your wishes come true? You have a lot of them! What good have you personally done in your life? Not for yourself, but for Russia? Not for your mink and yourself, but for Russia?
                    1. 0
                      19 July 2021 06: 15
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      Listen, couch hero, what did you personally do to make your Wishlist come true? You have a lot of them!

                      Why do you think so? Lying under my couch, eavesdropping? belay
                      Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                      Not for yourself, but for Russia?
                      I have been working all my life, to the best of my skills and knowledge.
                      And without the results of my labor, the country was sad ...

                      And you are apparently proposing for Russia to send troops to Ukraine? Given that at least a third of the population there are ardent supporters of Bandera?
                      Invest a lot of money there to revive their industry, raise their standard of living?
                      And then such slogans about the wheel of history are surprised to learn that something has gone wrong again ...

                      Z. Y. That is why, as a sloganist, so with saliva and "you"?
                      1. -3
                        19 July 2021 10: 27
                        Quote: your1970
                        Z. Y. That is why, as a sloganist, so with saliva and "you"?

                        Why on "you"? Because I am much older than you, I saw, I know and understand much more. Again, not such a blinkered and narrow-minded egoist only by his own interests, but, allegedly, a patriot of Russia.

                        All people work. And Makarevich with Akhedzhakova, and Navalny with Gozman. To the best of their skills and knowledge. lol Hints about the high importance of their work For Russia WITHOUT specifics - nonsense.

                        Ukraine and Ukrainians are NOT something separate, but часть Great Russia and the people of Russia. Have I read, I hope, Putin's article? He explained everything well.

                        For a third of the population of Ukraine, there is a denazification program, and for inveterate Nazis - institutions of the Federal Penitentiary Service. I think this time they will not make a mistake and they will not be treated as condescendingly as under Stalin and Khrushchev.

                        It is not necessary to invest a lot of dough for the revival, but it is necessary help change power to an adequate one and help point mutually beneficial returnable loans. The rest will do everything himself the people of Ukraine.

                        As for the slogans, I am far from you, "caring" about Russia. And the wheel of history, no matter how hard you try to slow it down, push it or steer it along the wrong path, you will NOT be able to stop it. Although it will crush you - unfortunately - not all of you, many will slip out.

                        PS You are so shy of answering who, what you are doing and where you are from, that the thought suggests itself that you are a master, sir or rabbi from abroad. smile
                      2. +1
                        19 July 2021 11: 20
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        PS You are so shy of answering who, what you are doing and where you are from, that the thought suggests itself that you are a master, sir or rabbi from abroad.

                        You can immediately see the person in flight - the main thing is to stick a label: "Trotskyist", "Right deviator", "Pan" ... All the rest is trifles ...
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Because I am much older than you, I saw, I know and understand much more.
                        - I wonder why such conclusions? About "I saw older, I know"? Cleanly after hanging labels?
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Hints about the high importance of their work for Russia WITHOUT specifics are nonsense.
                        hints at your age, knowledge and experience WITHOUT specifics - nonsense.

                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        For a third of the population of Ukraine, there is a denazification program, and for inveterate Nazis - institutions of the Federal Penitentiary Service.
                        and what will you do with those who served in the ATO and fired at the LPNR? With children growing up with slogans about - to gilyak?

                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        It is not necessary to invest a lot of dough for the revival, but it is necessary to help change the government to an adequate one and to help point-by-point with mutually beneficial repayable loans.
                        how much did the USSR invest in the GDR? In a country where the population worked for rations for the first five years? To a country where any saboteur could be immediately assassinated at the nearest wall for resisting the authorities? Are you sure that Ukrainians are ready to work for soldering? How long?
                        And if not rationing, then an insane amount of dough must be invested, our "Marshall Plan" will have to be implemented.

                        About mutually beneficial loans sound generally obscene - they now have NOTHING at all, in principle they do not ...
                        And yet - you apparently do not understand / forget that Ukraine owes everyone, including the IMF.
                      3. -4
                        19 July 2021 12: 28
                        Quote: your1970
                        The person is immediately visible from the flight

                        Yes, it’s immediately obvious: a cunning demagogue who dodges answers. Further dialogue is meaningless, raabi.
                      4. +1
                        19 July 2021 12: 43
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        a cunning demagogue who dodges answers.

                        You are weak to answer ??? it's not slogans to shout ... And I answered all the questions like that ..
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        ... Further dialogue is meaningless, raabi.
                        - as I said, the first thing to do is to hang a label. Without this, no way, their thoughts run away from them immediately and they don't know what to say. But when they hung the label, they immediately understand everything ...
                        I recognize a bawler without thoughts and ideas ..

                        Moreover, the whole trick is that it was precisely such empty flaws that destroyed the USSR - and then they blamed everything on others, and they were not in business like ...
                      5. -3
                        19 July 2021 13: 09
                        Quote: your1970
                        You are weak to answer ??? it's not slogans to shout ... And I answered all the questions like that ..

                        Answer "not weak" when there is normal dialogue with normal human. And what's the use of having a conversation with a cunning, lying, arrogant troll who Does not answer not a single question, but only throws in his stupid questions?
                        Omar Khayyam was right when he did NOT advise to communicate with your kind: "Communicating with a fool will not result in shame. Therefore, you should listen to Omar's advice ...". Be healthy, ...!
                      6. 0
                        19 July 2021 13: 53
                        Proclaimed, boasted of age and knowledge - without providing any evidence but demanding in return
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        who, what are you doing and where are you from,
                        and quickly into the hole ... to scribble sofa slogans ...
                        These are the kind of couch patriots - ready to whom you want to join with shouts of "Urya-Urya" ...
                        Trouble is that for any PRACTICAL question - they immediately begin to hang labels, no more
        3. +10
          17 July 2021 17: 53
          Oha, under capitalism it is difficult to mobilize, a number of laws must be adopted urgently. But most importantly, we do not have people who will work in a mobilization mode. The slogan "Everything for the front, everything for victory" will not work in today's society sad
          1. +1
            17 July 2021 20: 28
            Quote: Not the fighter
            But most importantly, we do not have people who will work in a mobilization mode.

            With the people, the issue is solved simply - when coffins are brought to every house, an incentive will appear in the heads of the ice. It is more difficult with the industry, given that modern technology is not T-34, you cannot build a plant in the field without technology.
            And so everything is correct. hi
            1. 0
              18 July 2021 13: 34
              The coffin will come to the neighbors whom you do not know. And you will receive changes in legislation. Firstly, the Labor Code will be changed and you will be able to work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week, and secondly, according to the law "On the Mobilization of Labor Resources", you will be assigned to a neighboring plant and you will work not for the COUNTRY but for its owner Vasily Stepanovich 12 / 6 without the right to dismiss. Moreover, the norms will be such that you cannot fulfill it in 14 hours. And if you start to be indignant, then the riot police will quickly come, knock with a truncheon and write out a fine for attacking a representative of the law. And every second salary, by the owner's decision, will go to the "Victory Fund", so you will plow until hungry faints, and the owner himself will not deny himself anything.
              That's how it will be.
              And about the T-34 tank. T-34-85 mod. 1945 and T-34-76 arr 1941. completely different things. The T-34 produced in 1945 was 3 times cheaper than the tank produced in 1941, and much better in terms of consumer characteristics. This is because not only hands were applied to the tank, but also brains, and the desire to improve its release.
              I'm not talking about everyone, but in the situation described, my brains will work on the subject of organizing an unscheduled weekend, read on sabotage, and the main problem is not to get caught
        4. +3
          18 July 2021 01: 34
          There is one people, but in order to have even the slightest prerequisites for reunification, it is necessary to create conditions for the people of Ukraine and Belarus to want to create one state. Now this is not the case, and under our oligarchic power there will be none.

          Do you think it's always possible? My mother (Vepsian by nationality, was born in the Vologda region) and a sister (Russian, like I was born in Ukraine) with her husband (originally from Pechory, Komi) and niece live in the Luhansk region of Ukraine. The mother tongue is Russian. What can they do against the Nazis?
        5. 0
          18 July 2021 18: 20
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Not. Any war implies losses, including in technology. Do we have an industry that can be mobilized? Not.

          Can you sanely explain why we need to introduce a mobilization regime for industry, if the accumulated nuclear potential provides us with a guaranteed destruction of the United States and China? You have not beguiled the era if you are still raving about the mythical mobilization plans that were in the USSR as a consequence of the 1941 catastrophe. But then the catastrophe lasted for months, we managed to stop it, and transport part of the industry, and now everything will be done in tens of minutes. So why the hell do we need the industrial mobilization plans you come up with if a lot of people die right away and there will be huge destruction of infrastructure? Are you going to fight NATO for years?
          Go down to earth, or at least start reading VO carefully, there were many articles on a future war, and many authors absolutely correctly describe its course, if of course it takes place.
          1. -2
            18 July 2021 18: 33
            Quote: ccsr
            if the accumulated nuclear potential provides us with the guaranteed destruction of the United States and China?

            Are you sure that the current president has enough kokoshes to use nuclear weapons against another nuclear power?
            1. 0
              18 July 2021 18: 43
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Are you sure that the current president has enough kokoshes to use nuclear weapons against another nuclear power?

              Do not wag, but tell me bluntly, why do you need an industry mobilization plan for nuclear weapons? Or do you think NATO will fight with us without nuclear weapons? Oh well...
              1. -4
                18 July 2021 20: 25
                Quote: ccsr
                Don't wag, but tell me straight out why you need a mobilization plan

                I'm not a woman, booty wag. Zaputins wag here mainly.
                And mobilization capabilities are the second side of a strong industry. Which is not now. Will the nuclear baton be enough for such a rate of degradation? Or do you believe in a strong army with an economy absolutely dependent on imports?
                1. 0
                  19 July 2021 12: 25
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Or do you believe in a strong army with an economy absolutely dependent on imports?

                  I realized that it is pointless to explain military affairs to you - you cannot even separate the current reality from those that were in the middle of the XNUMXth century in the pre-nuclear periods.
      2. +20
        17 July 2021 07: 17
        Quote: Pessimist22
        mistakes of the Bolsheviks, ready to fight.

        He tired of the Bolsheviks with the mistakes ... He has been sitting for twenty years and breeds demagoguery ... and while he breeds, they rob us ...
        1. -1
          17 July 2021 07: 52
          Yes, and the author is tired of one-sided groaning. Although, we must pay tribute - earlier Apukhin wrote only about Ukraine, and from its bell tower. Now I swung to a bigger scale and decided to reveal the message of...
      3. -19
        17 July 2021 08: 00
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Of course, I also treat Putin, so to speak, from the position of the people.

        Do you exactly reflect the opinion of the people? laughing
        - 77% of the people voted for his presidency.
        - 78% of the people, the field of raising the retirement age, voted for him in a "referendum" on amendments to the Constitution.

        Quote: Pessimist22
        I think that in the article he wrote common truths

        Many in the world want these common truths to disappear and new ones to be imposed, but we know them and will not let others forget.

        Quote: Pessimist22
        Bolshevik mistakes

        And on this issue, I disagree with him..
        When the republics were forming, the country was ruled by Trotskyists, not Bolsheviks. The balance of forces in the party was ~ 1/8 in favor of the Trotskyists, and as you know, all decisions are made by a majority vote. The Bolshevik Stalin was against the "republics", but he began to seize power only after 1924, when the territorial division into "republics" had already taken place.



        Now there are no Bolsheviks, and after perestroika, Russia was divided into 24 republics. Who is to blame for this? The answer is the Trotskyists, then and now.
        1. +11
          17 July 2021 08: 34
          Quote: Boris55
          78% of the people, the field of raising the retirement age, voted for him in a "referendum" on amendments to the Constitution.

          You correctly put the word referendum in quotation marks! good
          Have you read the election law? wink Not a referendum, but a vote on stumps. laughing
          PS And the Trotskyists are now in power. Moreover, the main one runs the risk of repeating the fate of Trotsky, for he is starring in the same way.
          1. -4
            17 July 2021 08: 57
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            And the most important is in danger of repeating the fate of Trotsky

            Putin in management repeats the fate of Stalin.

            Then, after the "Lenin's call to the party", the lower classes supported Stalin as well as now - there is Putin and there is the people who support him. The layer between the peoples and the ruler was dissatisfied with this and was engaged in what then and now sabotage.

            As an example. Our people are conscientious and the vaccination against covid could pass normally, but this stratum needs to bend the people down, rape ... they are still bullied ...
        2. +7
          17 July 2021 08: 51
          Quote: Boris55
          - 78% of the people, the field of raising the retirement age, voted for him in a "referendum" on amendments to the Constitution.

          And if in the Duma elections there will be a vote through state services, then "we eat Russia" will have a rating of over 90%! This is what kind of "intelligence" you need to have to use a vote on stumps as an example?
          1. -14
            17 July 2021 09: 20
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            And if in the Duma elections there is a vote through state services

            What knowledge does the people have on management, what would they entrust them with choosing managers?

            I have already written about the elections, I will repeat myself.



            About the elections and the rule of two hands.

            There are five fingers on the right and left hand - five parties. When the head needs to solve its own problems, say, games with the right hand, the right hand with five parties is shown and the people can choose any one - from the thumb (EP) to the little finger (Apple). Whatever the people would vote for, there would be one result - they all chose the right hand. Parties with the left hand (Barkashovtsy, Ampilovtsy, Tyutyukintsy, etc.), for the time being, are declared extremist and they periodically frighten the people so that they make the "right" choice. Both of these hands serve one head.

            About the electoral system.

            More precisely about some aspects of this. We all go around, or at least they heard about the elections and what means are spent on controlling this scam at polling stations. So you know how your vote was counted? No, and I don’t know how mine was taken into account. Voting ballots are faceless and as soon as they get into the ballot box they cease to be ours, they become common and you can take off whatever you like. No, not at polling stations, there control is observed. But then, where do they get to and what is done to them - only God knows.

            In our country there are no watered prisoners, no one is being persecuted for political beliefs, there is not any discrimination on the basis of party or non-partisan status - so why is the vote secret? I think that it is beneficial only to those in power - to give slaves the illusion of choice without giving the choice itself.

            This is on the one hand, and on the other.

            Everyone knows that only shoemakers can choose the best shoemaker. The best baker can choose - bakers. It is impossible to entrust the choice of manager to the managerically illiterate people. That is why in our elections there is a competition of figures, and not their programs. People simply are not able to understand what is written there. (mostly secondary education)

            What is the danger of such a situation for society.

            The elite that has usurped the right to govern and for the sake of its further prosperity does not allow anyone from outside, which leads to its degradation, as a result of which the effectiveness of governance and degradation of the whole society as a whole decreases and, ultimately, to the collapse of the state or the violent change of the elite ( revolution).

            And the favorite question of all indifferent citizens to the fate of the motherland is what to do.

            Just as in 1917, the question of general illiteracy was acute, today it is also necessary to raise the question of general managerial illiteracy. Only after that, as the people master the basics of management, it will be possible to introduce personalized ballots with the right to control how everyone’s vote is taken into account at all stages of counting.

            That's where it is so short. Yes, and a couple more quotes from smart books:

            “Indeed, Allah does not change what is with people until they themselves change what is with them.” (Quran 13: 12)

            “... the Kingdom of God will not come in a noticeable way, and they will not say: behold, it is here, or: behold, there. For behold, the kingdom of God is within you ”(Luke 17: 20-21)
            1. +4
              17 July 2021 09: 58
              Quote: Boris55
              What knowledge does the people have on management, what would they entrust them with choosing managers?

              Can you proclaim the king of your nullip?

              Quote: Boris55
              There are five fingers on the right and left hand ...

              As far as bourgeois democracy is a deception, I agree with you. However, for the rest, I will say that everything was invented before you. Do you know such a thing as democratic centralism? The elections of deputies showed themselves just as well not on the territorial principle, but on the basis of labor collectives.
              1. 0
                17 July 2021 23: 27
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                The elections of deputies showed themselves just as well not on the territorial principle, but on labor collectives.

                MSG type in the labor collective was elected ... Is this a good result?
                1. -4
                  17 July 2021 23: 37
                  Quote: your1970
                  MSG type in the labor collective was elected ... Is this a good result?

                  Let me tell you a secret, MSG was "elected", about half a century later than the indicated period. Do you know when they began to elect on a territorial basis? Do they not teach this in modern schools?
                  1. -1
                    18 July 2021 00: 24
                    Come on ... belay belay belay .. Look what ...

                    I actually meant his election just about half a century earlier ...

                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Is this not taught in modern schools?
                    - thank God in modern schools Gorbachev's work is not outlined ...
            2. 0
              18 July 2021 09: 34
              Quote: Boris55
              - 77% of the people voted for his presidency.
              - 78% of the people, the field of raising the retirement age, voted for him in a "referendum" on amendments to the Constitution.


              Quote: Boris55
              About the elections and the rule of two hands.


              Boris, you are already wrong by virtue of mathematics .. voted (let's take it for the truth that without stuffing and juggling, which is ridiculous) a maximum of 2/3 .. this is definitely not the whole people .. and of those who came not 100% .. that is ... about only half of the people, despite the fact that you yourself say that the elections are staged nonsense and immediately rely on the percentage of those who voted for Putin-is it normal logic? You either there or there wink
              1. -3
                19 July 2021 07: 31
                Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                voted (let's take it for the truth that without stuffing and tampering, which is ridiculous) a maximum of 2/3 .. this is definitely not the whole people .. and not 100% of those who came .. ie. only about half of the people

                Do you think that those who did not come would vote for Putin? laughing
                Or will we not take into account the indifference?
                1. +3
                  19 July 2021 08: 06
                  neither you, I don’t know for whom they would vote .. but according to my observations, the overwhelming majority - who are against - just do not go to the polls (one of the reasons is because the columns are against, no) .. but still - I said about the facts .. in fact they voted FOR half or a little more ..

                  Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                  You yourself say that the elections are staged nonsense and immediately rely on the percentage of those who voted for Putin-is it normal logic? You either there or there

                  what about this question? (about the nonsense of fair elections in general (no matter in which country) I absolutely agree with you) laughing
                  By the way, Boris, so that you understand my position, I think the best system for the country (any) is a monarchy .. there are also minuses, but the pluses outweigh ..
                  1. -3
                    19 July 2021 08: 23
                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    according to my observations, the overwhelming majority - who are against - just do not go to the polls

                    And in my opinion - those who, for various reasons, could not. Again, do not take into account their voices and thus engage in manipulation. He who wants is looking for a way, who does not want, he is looking for a reason.

                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    what about this question?

                    About this I will say that today the election results completely depend on who owns the Worldview Formation Means, for some reason referred to as the media.

                    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
                    I think the best system for a country (any) is a monarchy ..

                    Monarchy is good with a poorly educated or generally illiterate population that can be manipulated. I am a Bolshevik, for the interests of the majority, I am for Stalin, for elevation the well-being of all, not individuals.
                    1. +1
                      19 July 2021 09: 05
                      I support the ideas of communism, but the Stalinist period .. but unfortunately people spoil everything .. and no one will ever let us build it ... for this we need to repeat the period of its formation in the USSR after the "gendarme of Europe" of the Russian Empire - the disposition is not that now ... in addition, if we have such a close relationship with world capitalism, they will not give it just ... maybe someday, if we go to the level of the USSR, although then why would someone make a revolution ... in general, I don’t think that there are real prospects for communism in our country .. and the monarchy is more stable - the monarch does not need to steal and think that now there is no need for the term to end .. England
                      Quote: Boris55
                      Monarchy is good with a poorly educated or generally illiterate population
                      would not say that the British fit the definition ..

                      Quote: Boris55
                      About this I will say that today the election results completely depend on who owns the Worldview Formation Means, for some reason referred to as the media.

                      I agree .. it is not at all a fact that the best, honest and correct ones are chosen, often the other way around .. that's why I am skeptical about any results ..

                      Quote: Boris55
                      And in my opinion - those who, for various reasons, could not. Again, do not take into account their voices and thus engage in manipulation. He who wants is looking for a way, who does not want, he is looking for a reason.

                      Boris, I said about the fact and that's all - they did not vote in any way .. otherwise how they would vote is demagogy and speculation .. in fact they did not vote FOR .. as well as against .. therefore elections are a reflection only parts of the will of the people (if honest, although dishonest too) ..
        3. +2
          18 July 2021 00: 14
          If Stalin was against the republics within the USSR, then why did he, after coming to power, create the Kazakh SSR (1936), the Tajik SSR (1929), the Kirghiz SSR, the Karelo-Finnish SSR (1940) and the Baltic SSR (1940), as well as transfer the territory of the RSFSR to the republics of the BSSR, the Ukrainian SSR?
      4. 0
        20 July 2021 15: 30
        Quote: Pessimist22
        Of course, I also treat Putin, so to speak, from the standpoint of the people, the rise in the cost of food and the construction of materials, low wages, the economic situation of the people and the country in a deep crisis, but I think that in the article he wrote common truths, the triune people, our territories, the mistakes of the Bolsheviks, to fight ready.

        In this material, I see two messages.
        1 Putin drew attention to Ukraine, most likely things will not go further by gravity. It's time to make a decision.
        2 A message for the West. A battle is ahead and a challenge. The basis of this battle will be the Russian-speaking population.
    2. +14
      17 July 2021 05: 52
      The great grandmaster has already been piled, now it is the turn of the great fox. fellow And as soon as the anti-Soviet blizzard begins to carry, at least take out all the saints, and actually swam in a straight line .. Curiously, what staver grabbed a grant for that article .. winked
      1. -7
        17 July 2021 05: 57
        Of course, I'm sorry, but you write what you disagree with in the article, we'll discuss it here.
      2. 0
        17 July 2021 06: 00
        Quote: Pilot
        And as soon as the anti-Soviet blizzard begins to carry so at least take out all the saints

        That is, in your opinion, did the Bolsheviks do everything right by dividing Russia into Russia proper, Ukraine and Belarus? Why not as part of the RSFSR? Why did you make them separate?
        1. -1
          17 July 2021 06: 14
          Putin's conceptual article "On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians" raises questions not only about the past and future of Ukraine, but also about Russia's attitude to the so-called post-Soviet states, and warns the West that Russia is no longer going to tolerate its attempts to create anti-Russian bridgeheads on the territory of these states.


          In general, the West has been warned, and now we need to go further, along the path outlined concept paper (actually - Guide to action).

          At the same time, it is probably worth remembering the need to ensure the possibility of competition (ability to survive) in modern conditions.
          Yes, in fact, the economic component of rallying together at least part of the post-Soviet space is also worth something.
          Suffice it to recall that the USSR, in its best years, had up to 20% of the global "pie" of GDP, modern Russia, after a series of upheavals in the 90s - only about 1,5-2%.
          And economists predict that the unification of the economies of only part of the republics of the ex-USSR is capable of giving an increase of about 30% of world GDP ...

          As they say in Ukraine - "Gurt (together) and good father to beat"
          1. +8
            17 July 2021 06: 38
            And economists predict that the unification of the economies of only part of the republics of the ex-USSR is capable of giving an increase of about 30% of world GDP.

            Your math is strange. If the Russian Federation is 1,5-2% of world GDP, then who in the CIS will add up to 30%? Kazakhstan, Ukraine, Belarus? Who has hidden power there? 15 republics 1% each, this is not 30%. Or do all 14 republics have a GDP like the Russian Federation, almost 2% of the world?
            1. -10
              17 July 2021 06: 50
              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Your math is strange.

              Quote: Nevsky_ZU
              Who has hidden power there? 15 republics 1% each


              These are not my mathematical and economic calculations, but the estimates of a number of leading economists. Moreover, both ours and Western ones.
              It is the West that is concerned that "USSR V 2.0" is possible, therefore, all this is happening with us and around us.

              I wrote that in different years the economy of the Union (15 republics) reached 20% of world GDP, so I repeat that there is nothing fantastic in the fact that after the work on the restoration of the economy of the new united space (let's call it so for now), to demonstrate the very same 30%, a third of the world GDP, even with a smaller composition.

              When calculating, take into account also the fact that the industry is now being built on somewhat different technological principles from, for example, the 70s of the twentieth century ...
              1. 0
                17 July 2021 07: 07
                The territory, which later became Novorossia, was mastered by the Russian administration, Russian cities were built there, where the Little Russian population flocked


                This is the author's main dream: an unreasonable Little Russian population under the control of the Russian administration. )))))
              2. +2
                17 July 2021 23: 34
                Quote: PiK
                These are not my mathematical and economic calculations, but the estimates of a number of leading economists. Moreover, both ours and Western ones.

                These economists are delusional ... Both ours and Westerners ...
                Quote: PiK
                so that after the work on rebuilding the economy of the new united space (let's call it so for now), to demonstrate the very same 30%, a third of world GDP, even with a smaller composition.

                For this you need - TOTAL-FOR-TOTAL - build them an industry with zero - for they ALL profiled her clean ...
                1. -2
                  17 July 2021 23: 44
                  Quote: your1970
                  because they all profiled her clean ...

                  Are we still not clean? How much is left for your idols to squander?
                  1. +1
                    18 July 2021 00: 39
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Quote: your1970
                    because they all profiled her clean ...

                    Are we still not clean? How much is left for your idols to squander?

                    That is precisely why these pseudo-economists are raving ... We need to at least restore ours - so that there is something to restore them ...
                    And then damn it 30% ... not 1000% ...

                    And yes - and here are some idols of someone's - where did you get that? fool
        2. -2
          17 July 2021 06: 19
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          Why didn't they make the Ukrainian and Belarusian republics as part of the RSFSR? Why did you make them separate?

          Yes, then they broke the wood, but now, after 100 years, or almost a century, we are hiccuping.
          But what was done by the ancestors has already been done. Now we need to rake it out.
          We will not rake - this will cover and cover us Yes
        3. +14
          17 July 2021 06: 19
          Sidor Amenpodestovich, you think that in 1917 everything was calm and the Bolsheviks had nothing to do, let's divide Russia. Then answer, what kind of war is it now that the Norwegians were given a part of the Barents Sea. And who prevented the return of Novorossiya in 2014?
          1. -15
            17 July 2021 06: 36
            So the Bolsheviks were right in separating Ukraine and Belarus from Russia? For what purpose? Why weren't they left in the RSFSR?
            1. +8
              17 July 2021 06: 53
              Flavius ​​Vespasianovich, are you a troll? You know very well the situation in 1917-18, when German troops were stationed in Ukraine, when the Americans landed in Arkhangelsk. And it was necessary to proceed from the prevailing circumstances.
              And these blah-blah about fraternal peoples are tired. I would have separated Rossel from the Ural Republic, the same would now be tearing up the Internet about the fraternal people.
              1. -6
                17 July 2021 07: 05
                Quote: Gardamir
                You know very well the situation in 1917-18, when German troops were stationed in Ukraine, when the Americans landed in Arkhangelsk. And it was necessary to proceed from the prevailing circumstances.

                Why, then, the Arkhangelsk region was not separated into a separate republic?
                Why did the Far Eastern Republic become part of the RSFSR on November 15, 1922, while the Ukrainian and Belarusian ones were left separate?
                1. +1
                  17 July 2021 07: 35
                  Sidor and Flavius. you are naive Chukchi lovers. Why did Crimea become part of Russia in 2014? Donetsk and Lugansk were left separate?
                  1. -4
                    17 July 2021 08: 18
                    So I do not reason, but simply ask. I don’t define who is right and who is wrong. Just asking questions. Can you answer them?
                    1. +3
                      17 July 2021 08: 22
                      And I ask questions. I am interested in today. And find out who is right. who is guilty. in the events of a century ago, it is a thankless task.
                      1. -2
                        17 July 2021 08: 26
                        Clear. You cannot answer. What then did you attack me, call me a troll, Chukchi loaches? Did I somewhere condemn the actions of the Bolsheviks? Or the actions of the Bolsheviks to discuss taboo, but you only need to praise and accept?
                      2. +5
                        17 July 2021 08: 38
                        Take me for a ride in a time machine.
                        Yes, the current government loves to discuss and condemn the actions of their ancestors. But we live here and now and not in the past. But discussing the actions of the current ones is definitely a taboo, since you are ashamed of it.
                      3. -9
                        17 July 2021 08: 58
                        As the economy is a continuation of politics, so the present is a continuation of the past. And humanity as a whole, and individual nations, and any individual taken in the present experience the consequences of decisions made in the past.
                  2. +1
                    18 July 2021 12: 07
                    Quote: Gardamir
                    Why did Crimea become part of Russia in 2014? Donetsk and Lugansk were left separate?

                    First of all, Russia would be undermined economically, but you probably do not understand this.

                    Then Crimea was a part of Ukraine as the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and Crimea had its own parliament, even its own constitution, do you understand what is the difference between the regions of Ukraine and the Autonomous Republic? And the fact is that the regions of Ukraine, well, not as it were, could not secede from Ukraine within the framework of international law, but the Autonomous Republic has such an opportunity when voting by the population living in Crimea, which Crimea took advantage of.
                    1. +2
                      18 July 2021 18: 47
                      but nevertheless - it was a mistake, tk. and Crimea was not recognized in the world .. in addition, Donbass itself and in Ukraine contained, so it would take a little resources ..
            2. +10
              17 July 2021 07: 37
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              So the Bolsheviks were right in separating Ukraine and Belarus from Russia?

              In fact, the Bolsheviks did not separate anything, but only annexed it. In the USSR, Ukraine, Belarus and the RSFSR were one state... And there were no current problems between them (and if there were problems, the communists drove Bandera through the forests). What internal division was at the same time and why - this is purely a matter of the USSR.

              Now the once united people is broken up in parts. Moreover, these parts become hostile. But for some reason it is not the current leaders who are to blame, but the past! Under which everything was in perfect order.

              At all it's strange to blame the Bolsheviks, who united 15 Soviet republics together (and organized the CMEA and OVD bloc). A fair national policy was conducted in such a way that there were no Maidans and unrest. Many republics were brought back from the Middle Ages to a new advanced Soviet present.

              But the most global achievement of the current tsar is the annexation of a part of one of the Soviet republics. Crimea by area is 5-6% of all Ukraine.
              1. -5
                17 July 2021 08: 21
                Quote: Stas157
                In fact, the Bolsheviks did not separate anything, but only annexed it. In the USSR, Ukraine, Belarus and the RSFSR were one state.

                However, the transfer of Crimea to the Ukrainian SSR is now called a tragedy. Why, if Crimea, as it was Soviet, remained so?
                And yet, why weren't Ukraine and Belarus left a part of the RSFSR, but allocated into separate republics?
                1. +8
                  17 July 2021 09: 01
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
                  And yet, why Ukraine and Belarus not left part of the RSFSR, and allocated to separate republics?

                  They were made part of the USSR. That was enough. Separate republics are not separate from the USSR, from the country as a whole.

                  The problems of the current government, which it itself has created, are exclusively its own problems. Communists are people looking to a bright future. Nobody imagined that the country would return to a dark past, and its ideal would be the times of Nicholas 2. The Bolsheviks did not expect to play along with the destroyers of the USSR.

                  And I'm not even surprised that the current helpless government blames the communists for all its troubles. It would be strange if it were different.
              2. -10
                17 July 2021 10: 08
                Quote: Stas157
                In fact, the Bolsheviks did not separate anything, but only annexed it. In the USSR, Ukraine, Belarus and the RSFSR were one state

                Bolsheviks cut up into parts of Russia, and today it has state borders established by them in 1917-1940, when the state was baked from the body of Russia, like hot cakes.

                There were three STATES -Ukrainian SSR, BSSR and RSFSR (read their Constitutions), which had Constitution the right to EXIT at any time, which they used
                Quote: Stas157
                And there were no current problems between them. What internal division was at the same time and why - this is purely a matter of the USSR.

                So they would have left the GUBERNIA as part of the RSFSR, if there was no difference and there were, allegedly, purely "administrator" of the border. and
                Quote: Stas157
                Now the once united people is broken up in parts. Moreover, these parts become hostile. But for some reason it is not the current leaders who are to blame, but the past! Under which everything was in perfect order.

                forgot, when Russians were raped in Ukrainians in three waves of violent Ukrainization and they came up with an ancient "istoriya" and a separate people're coming out from ... the 14th century? Read TSB.

                Or the Nazis Poroshenko, Yarosh and others grew up AFTER 1991?
                Or did 1991 suddenly appear, out of nothing?
                Quote: Stas157
                In general, it is strange to blame the Bolsheviks for joining 15 Soviet republics together

                connected - AT THE EXPENSE of Russia and the robbery of the Russian people
                Quote: Stas157
                A fair national policy was conducted in such a way that there were no Maidans and unrest.

                Let me remind you that they began to slaughter and expel Russians in Central Asia even during the Soviet era, and there were also Karabakh, Baku, Sumgait, etc., and this is the result of a "successful" national policy.

                And the Russians themselves lived much poorer than the nationals, who actually earned less than the Russians - see. articles on VO-the same Georgia lived 5-6 times better than in the RSFSR
                Quote: Stas157
                But the most global achievement of the current tsar is the annexation of a part of one of the Soviet republics. Crimea by area is 5-6% of all Ukraine.

                just a FACT: Putin is the FIRST leader of the country in the last 100 years, under which the territory of Russia increased.

                From 1922 to 1940 it DECREASED 4 million km2.

                Yeah, everything is "conditional", everything is "just like that" but, for some reason, they only cut it .... RUSSIA

                1922, minus Ukraine and Belarus:


                and here are the remnants of it by 1940, which we have today:
                1. +11
                  17 July 2021 10: 40
                  Quote: Olgovich
                  There were three STATES in the USSR

                  Quote: Olgovich
                  Putin-FIRST the leader of the country over the past 100 years, under which the territory of Russia has grown.

                  Olgovich, I don't even want to comment on your fabrications. And if only Putin 2 was not, otherwise we again inherit everything.
                  1. -11
                    17 July 2021 11: 14
                    Quote: Stas157
                    Olgovich, I don't even want to comment on your fabrications.

                    Stas157, you stubborn FACTS nothing refute.

                    And yes: the USSR quietly collapsed after 70 years of continuous "successful" national policy.

                    The Bolsheviks gave the republic-states Russian soil, Russian blood, Russian money and people to drink, and they fell off, satiated
                    1. +1
                      17 July 2021 20: 33
                      Quote: Olgovich
                      Stas157, you have nothing to refute the stubborn FACTS

                      Andrey, are you sneering or what? belay How did Russian territory grow under Putin? On the facts? Vova cut off a share of China, and more than one. His personal decision, and in Crimea there was a decision of the people.
                      1. -6
                        18 July 2021 06: 38
                        Igor, you don't know anything at all? When your idols were cut off from Russia 5 million km2 (FOURTH part), Putin was the FIRST to add to the Crimea and without his decision to hold a referendum, there simply would not have been any decision of the people.

                        About the share-study official statistical data of the territory of Russia to the so-called. "transfers" and after and you will see that no changes no.

                        And once again I will remind you about 5 million km2, or BREVNA, we don't see it?
                        not the first ten years living in the paradigm of a walking woman (what I have is what I trade)

                        then you are like that and the USSR was like that (only round timber, oil and gas were competitive goods), and everyone is like that: what is, what is sold. Nobody trades in something that does not exist.
                      2. +1
                        18 July 2021 06: 46
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        Under your idols, 5 million km2 were cut off from Russia (FOURTH)

                        You know very well that my idol is Stalin, but not Lenin. Under Stalin, the country regained some of the lost.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        that there are no changes.

                        Those. Are the Bolshoi Ussuriysk and Damansky in the order of things? belay Yes, the area is not much, but the significance is great.
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        and they are all like that: what they have is what they trade

                        Not. The non-walkers create an item of trade. wink
                      3. -7
                        18 July 2021 07: 18
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        You know very well that my idol is Stalin, but not Lenin. Under Stalin, the country regained some of the lost.

                        teaches the history of his country: it was under Stalin that they cut off from Russia FOUR million km2, one shameful KFSSR, which cut off Murmansk from Russia, was worth what, and the BSSR became TWO times more at the expense of the Smolensk region, and the Russian Guryevs and Faithfuls turned into ... Kazakhstans, etc.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Those. Are the Bolshoi Ussuriysk and Damansky in the order of things? Yes, the area is not much, but the significance is great.

                        Damansky was transferred in 1991 by the USSR, and it became Chinese back in 1969, about. Ussuriisky has always been not Russian, but a disputed territory.
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Not. Wanderers create an item of trade

                        Yes.
                        What they eat is what they trade: from "items" created by the USSR lol The West was not interested in anything and he traded round timber and minerals, even gasoline for trade was unable to do.
                      4. +1
                        18 July 2021 10: 33
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        teaches the history of his country:

                      5. -6
                        18 July 2021 11: 32
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        Quote: Olgovich
                        teaches the history of his country:


                        the result of uninterrupted "achievements" it was Bolshevism that became the disaster of 1991, the borders of the 17th century, established in 1917-1940, and the Russian cross.

                        That's the whole story. Just FACTS.

                        For clarity, since 1922 for 18 years from Russia ANNUALLY cut off across the Crimea
        4. -12
          17 July 2021 06: 43
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          dividing Russia into Russia itself, Ukraine and Belarus, did the Bolsheviks do everything right? Why not as part of the RSFSR? Why did you make them separate?

          In democracy played and all freedom of different nationalities .. Under the Tsarist regime, all one size fits all, and if that just shout a rebel and to hard labor!.
          All the nationalities of our country (except for Russians) had to erect monuments to Lenin, that he had drawn the Russian Empire into national republics like this .. He could have left the provinces .. For example, the Asian republics (Turkestan district ..))))), etc. And they took and destroyed all the monuments to Lenin laughing Do they want the return of the Russian Empire and the division into provinces (districts)))))?
          1. +10
            17 July 2021 09: 30
            There were no problems with the republics under socialism. They happened under capitalism.

            Capitalists cannot curb centripetal processes and overcome the hostility of some former Soviet republics. But, of course, the communists are blamed for everything! And who else! After all, the current government never takes responsibility for itself. And the zeroed president has nothing to do with traditionally!
            1. 0
              17 July 2021 23: 47
              Quote: Stas157
              There were no problems with the republics under socialism

              Nagorno-Karabakh, no?
              Riots in Almaty in 1985 - when was Kunaev removed?
              1. +1
                18 July 2021 10: 44
                Quote: your1970
                Nagorno-Karabakh, no?
                Riots in Almaty in 1985

                Why is there? Someone separated or what ?? In 1985 I had never even heard of this!
        5. +2
          17 July 2021 06: 59
          Both the Romanovs and the Bolsheviks, as well as the enemies of the Communists, after the seizure of the RSFSR by them, divided their states territorially as it was convenient for them. And before the enemies of the communists captured the USSR and divided it among themselves, there were no problems.
          And Putin, in his article, mentions the creation of the Ukrainian People's Republic, so that no division in the province prevented the enemies of the Bolsheviks from dismembering Russia in the Civil. If all 30 years after the seizure of the RSFSR, the enemies of the communists have a cowardly ideology "and we have nothing to do with it, it's all the communists are to blame", then Putin has already got to the Bolsheviks, just to smear the real killers of the USSR - Gorbachev and Yeltsin, whom he praises.
        6. +4
          17 July 2021 07: 04
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          dividing Russia into Russia itself, Ukraine and Belarus, did the Bolsheviks do everything right? Why not as part of the RSFSR?

          Yes, wrong. This is what created the preconditions for the collapse. But EBN went further, and already divided Russia. Nevertheless, Putin wears flowers to his grave every year. wink
        7. +6
          17 July 2021 07: 19
          one). The peace treaty with Japan is about collecting land.
          2). On the net you can find polls on the topic of the unity of 3 peoples - most of the population of the countries does not think so.
          3). Further, the opinion of the writer Prokhanov, whom I respect for the truth:

          “The KGB took an active part in the collapse of the Soviet Union. The KGB was the most powerful structure, in the depths of which, firstly, the idea of ​​the unprofitability of the Soviet empire was formed. And then the entire technology of the collapse of the Soviet Union was entrusted to the KGB. The KGB united Germany, the KGB destroyed the Warsaw Pact and slammed poor Ceausescu. The KGB created popular fronts throughout the territory of the Soviet Union, in all republics. And, in fact, the KGB started a restructuring and introduced its leader Kryuchkov into the State Emergency Committee, which summed up this nightmarish restructuring associated with the destruction of the Soviet Union, says Alexander Prokhanov. - Therefore, Vladimir Vladimirovich, as a state security officer, the KGB must understand perfectly well who destroyed the Soviet Union, what is the drama of the destruction of the Soviet Union. And maybe, as an officer who is aware of this, he, maybe, bears some kind of internal responsibility, maybe not personal, but corporate - yes. "


          Completely: https://argumenti.ru/society/2021/07/730336
        8. +6
          17 July 2021 13: 30
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          That is, in your opinion, did the Bolsheviks do everything right by dividing Russia into Russia proper, Ukraine and Belarus?

          It's just that eternally green galoshes do not go from memory.
          For the Soviet economy produced exclusively THEM. Yes
      3. +10
        17 July 2021 07: 16
        From the very first lines I remembered my school years. Lessons in political economy and recent history. I feel soon our schoolchildren will study the works and works of Putin the Great. After zeroing, I am not surprised at anything!

        a transparent hint is made on the return of the primordially Russian lands

        For this, hints are not enough. Tsarek cannot accept the unfortunate splinter from Donbass to his native harbor, far from the lands of all of Ukraine.
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      5. +3
        17 July 2021 07: 20
        and specifically swam in a straight line ..

        If the line were really straight .. quite straight .. he would have drowned .. Our enterprise collapsed, now I have to tax .. and if he heard the real opinion of the people about him .. in general, skipping mate and other insults. . it all comes down to shooting ..
        1. +3
          17 July 2021 07: 54
          Quote: Svarog
          и if he heard the real opinion of the people about him .. in general, skipping mate and other insults .. it all comes down to shooting ..

          Greetings Vladimir hi Kinchev spoke the other day. And he said that for a long time he tried to be loyal to this government - it did not work.

          In reality, society is polarizing.
          1. +3
            17 July 2021 08: 04
            Kinchev who with Alice participated in the Vote or will you lose?
            1. +4
              17 July 2021 15: 46
              Quote: Pessimist22
              Kinchev who with Alice participated in the Vote or will you lose?

              Yes. I was at this concert. And he voted for Yeltsin. And I admit my mistake.
              Have you always been right and have never been wrong?
          2. +4
            17 July 2021 09: 12
            Quote: Stas157
            Quote: Svarog
            и if he heard the real opinion of the people about him .. in general, skipping mate and other insults .. it all comes down to shooting ..

            Greetings Vladimir hi Kinchev spoke the other day. And he said that for a long time he tried to be loyal to this government - it did not work.

            In reality, society is polarizing.

            Hi Stas hi Kinchev was offended, his concert was canceled .. and compensation was not paid .. because of the coronavirus .. They are venal, many of them .. Shevchuk has not sold out .. and Kinchev drowned for Putin .. well, if he really realized ..
            1. +2
              17 July 2021 15: 48
              Quote: Svarog
              Shevchuk hasn’t sold out.

              Pretty boy! One of the best albums "Lovely Love"
          3. +3
            17 July 2021 15: 04
            a few days ago Kinchev spoke. Yes, he said that for a long time he tried to be loyal to this government - it did not work out.
            While he drank sweetly and ate sweetly, the power suited him. And here one of the kovid's concerts are forbidden, while others are not, that's the whole story of Kostin's howls ................ but in general, Kinchev died about twenty years ago.
        2. -3
          18 July 2021 13: 05
          Quote: Svarog
          If the line were really straight .. quite straight .. he would have drowned .. Our enterprise collapsed, now I have to tax .. and if he heard the real opinion of the people about him .. in general, skipping mate and other insults. . it all comes down to shooting ..

          Is Putin to blame for the collapse of enterprises in your city? Are you seriously? After the collapse of the USSR, almost all enterprises and factories began to belong to private hands, capitalism was not like it, and so, maybe these private traders are just bad managers? And they are just marauders, they ruined enterprises while filling their pockets with a lot of money, but at the same time Putin is still to blame, cool logic can not be said.
          Here in the city of Volgograd there were many factories and in the city of Volzhsky, which is adjacent to the city of Volgograd, and in Volzhsky, many factories have survived and continue to work, and in Volgograd almost all have disappeared, i.e. the owners of the factories in Volzhsky turned out to be smarter and kept the factories, they are not in Volgograd, and that Putin is also to blame? Or are the owners of the factories in Volgograd still useless?
    3. -11
      17 July 2021 06: 14
      Once again, they are sculpting a great grandmaster from Putin. laughing When he is so smart will remember that politics is a continuation of the economy, and not vice versa? The country has been living in the paradigm of a walking woman for more than a dozen years (what I have is what I trade), and we are all discussing messages and messages, and looking for the guilty. Now the damned West, then the Outskirts, then the Polovtsy with the Khazars. Convenient.

      You should have written this to Comrade Stalin during the 1942 war. Like, so and so - what kind of leader of the country are you if I don't have a ham in the store?
      Now there is a new Cold War, which, at one time, the USSR could not withstand, and Russia is now withstanding, and quite successfully.
      1. +10
        17 July 2021 07: 08
        Quote: lucul
        Like, so and so - what kind of leader of the country are you if I don't have a ham in the store?

        What does jamon have to do with it? If I, with an average salary in the region, spend absolutely all my salary on food and communal services, is this normal for the country richest in resources? I hardly buy meat, chicken, and it won't make jamon.
        Quote: lucul
        and Russia is now withstanding, and quite successfully.

        Successfully? belay And what if you compare it with China?
      2. +2
        17 July 2021 21: 09
        Until a certain moment, the USSR completely waged this very cold war. Don't be torn yet. Are you sure that this will not happen with Russia? Given the disparate possibilities then and now?
    4. -16
      17 July 2021 06: 35
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Once again, they are sculpting a great grandmaster from Putin. When will he so smart remember that politics is a continuation of the economy, and not vice versa?

      We have the opposite in Russia, I would like to remind you .... Russia is a huge country (even in spite of the loss of territories) and your western laws do not work in our country at all! First, politics, then the Army and the Navy, and even when the borders are fortified and the policy is firm .. Then you can calmly deal with internal affairs and the economy, including .. And while the borders are open, everything is in sanctions, the Army and the Navy are not yet sufficiently rearmed and the enemy is literally making a fool ..and the fifth column is raging inside the country .. early bye!
      1. +5
        17 July 2021 07: 12
        Quote: xorek
        and your western laws do not work with us AT ALL

        The laws are not Western, but elementary. There will be no strong country without a strong economy. And the fifth column is in power, judging by the location of the property of their relatives and friends. wink
        1. -14
          17 July 2021 07: 32
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          The laws are not Western, but elementary.

          Well, I have a second degree in economics .. So I don't need to talk about sour cream and the market here (as Gaidar spanked there))))
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          There will be no strong country without a strong economy.

          I repeat once again that a strong economy in Russia begins with a strong and powerful Army and a solid foreign policy .. We are simply not allowed to deal with our economy, the same sanctions (although they have helped and help our economy a lot) Until the thunder breaks out, man, do not cross ourselves ..
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          And the fifth column is in power, judging by the location of the property of their relatives and friends.

          It fits for sure, but somehow it's not very comfortable bully .. They have nowhere to run, even London and Israel no longer really accept our thieves and require confirmation of their income (no, then they will simply cancel ..) And I like this process ..
          So they rush about with their children, many of them start to burn. laughing
          All men of the world, everything will be fine ..!
          1. +8
            17 July 2021 07: 40
            Quote: xorek
            Well, I have a second degree in economics

            I also have an economic tower! wink
            Quote: xorek
            I repeat once again that a strong economy in Russia begins with a strong and powerful Army and a solid foreign policy.

            A strong army is inconceivable without a strong rear. It's like a club in the hands of a child.
            Quote: xorek
            It fits for sure, but somehow it's not very comfortable

            Sit normally, with conveniences. Where Serdyukov, remind?
            1. -11
              17 July 2021 07: 58
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              I also have an economic tower!

              So we understand each other, but from opposite trenches, alas ..)))
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              A strong army is inconceivable without a strong rear. It's like a club in the hands of a child.

              Here, without question, the rear (provinces) are very angry at everything that is happening in Moscow, etc. ..
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Sit normally, with conveniences. Where Serdyukov, remind?

              Well, at the expense of Serdyukov, I would not say that he is like that .. wink
              Shoigu came and straight away so the Army was combat-ready and the Crimea was taken and the igils were soaked in Syria and the rearmament began abruptly .. For this, decades are needed and everyone invested their own quietly .. And what the journalists wrote, well, they threw a bone ... heh heh
              PS. The main thing is to do everything in silence and methodically, and I will throw up the whipping boys .. God bless Russia and the Russian people!
      2. +6
        17 July 2021 08: 04
        Quote: xorek
        First, politics, then the Army and the Navy, and even when the borders are fortified and the policy is firm ... Then you can calmly deal with internal affairs and the economy as well ..

        Such, putting aside the social situation of the population, you will soon have to close the borders so that the people do not scatter. At the same time, it will be necessary to strengthen repressive measures and the propaganda apparatus. What is not North Korea for you.
    5. +9
      17 July 2021 13: 26
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      then the Polovtsy with the Khazars

      Pechenegs !!!
      The Pechenegs have been FORGOTTEN !!!
    6. +4
      17 July 2021 14: 36
      Now the damned West, then the Outskirts, then the Polovtsy with the Khazars. Convenient.
      They forgot the Bolsheviks and Lenin, they still put mines to Putin at night, they put mines under the door ...
    7. -2
      17 July 2021 20: 06
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      That damned West,

      Is there no hostile West? Is it made up? It is not they who are forcing us to spend exorbitant money, what to rebuild a system for protecting our territory and equip this system with modern weapons that meet modern requirements? It is not they who increase the cost of our production through the sanctions system? Maybe the West has become a real trading partner for us?
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      The country has been living in the paradigm of a walking woman for more than a dozen years (what I have is what I trade)

      Interestingly, and not walking women sell something else? Obviously, you welcome another paradigm, the one that our partners from the "golden billion" have - to buy what you can buy, what you can't buy, then invade by force and just take it ... laughing
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Once again, they are sculpting a great grandmaster from Putin.

      I don't know how he plays chess, but even our enemies admit what he does on the outer contour. You can't do that. In such cases, it is usually advised to envy in silence. hi
      1. +1
        17 July 2021 20: 47
        Quote: Hagen
        They are not the ones who make us spend exorbitant money.

        To extend the gas pipeline to them, and not to the people of their country? Do they interfere with investing income from the sale of hydrocarbons in their economy, and not in the countries of "partners"? And then whine about the lack of investment? Do they force you to write off huge debts, declaring them unrecoverable, while we are paying off both Soviet and Tsarist debts?
        Quote: Hagen
        Interestingly, and not walking women sell something else?

        Non-walking women work in various fields. Did not know? wink
        I don't want to answer the rest of the nonsense.
        For, first of all, there should be recognition of achievements by the people, and not by enemies. Which are partners. wink
        1. -2
          17 July 2021 21: 11
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          To extend the gas pipeline to them, and not to the people of their country?

          You need to be a very "talented" specialist in money not to understand that external trunk pipelines are being laid precisely in order to be able to put internal ones sometime later. But this is certainly nonsense from the point of view of an underdeveloped intellectual. laughing
          1. +1
            17 July 2021 22: 15
            Quote: Hagen
            external main pipelines are laid precisely in order to be able to put internal ones sometime later.

            That is, a woman has to walk to the left for a while to get married? You don't want to choose a wife for yourself by this criterion? fool
            Have you completely lost your conscience to make such arguments?
            1. -3
              17 July 2021 22: 31
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Have you completely lost your conscience to make such arguments?

              You need to get along a little with common sense to understand that a pipe to the West is a profitable business, and pipes to home ownership in your country are costly. On the farm, you must first earn, and then spend the earned. You don't know that. It's a pity.
              1. +1
                18 July 2021 05: 08
                Quote: Hagen
                You don't know that.

                You do not know that children are initially unprofitable project, and if we proceed only from profit, then it is much more profitable to live alone.
                I see analogies do not reach you.
                1. -1
                  18 July 2021 10: 04
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I see analogies do not reach you.

                  Your analogies do not correspond to the subject of the conversation. They are simply inappropriate here.
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  You do not know that children are initially unprofitable project, and if we proceed only from profit

                  But you don’t get children with only one fig in your pocket. True, "flying" and the birth of children are possible as unforeseen consequences ... laughing And this analogy to the topic is far-fetched by you. Only one thing you are not cheating - complete disregard of simple economic laws. Just don't go to work for free. Although maybe I'm wrong? You would somehow collect arguments on the topic, otherwise everything pulls to the side, wives are different children. And we were talking about the pipe, actually ... laughing
                  1. +2
                    18 July 2021 13: 40
                    Quote: Hagen
                    True, "flying" and the birth of children are possible as unforeseen consequences.

                    What can you know about children? I have five, and unlike you, I know that all the measures to increase the birth rate announced by the GDP are complete bullshit.
                    Quote: Hagen
                    You would somehow collect arguments on the topic, otherwise everything pulls to the side, wives are different children. And we were talking about the pipe, actually ...

                    Arguments with analogies are designed for smart people. Is there a problem with the troll chicks?
                    And there is no need to talk about profitability - with current gas prices for SP-2 and Power of Siberia, only the cost of laying will be repulsed in decades.
                    1. +2
                      18 July 2021 13: 56
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      What can you know about children? I have five, and unlike you, I know that all the measures to increase the birth rate announced by the GDP are complete bullshit.

                      good Igor, and I have five, four of them are schoolchildren! I teach myself, I fly myself, etc. No, of course, those 200 rubles for each child that are monthly charged as a large family, and should be considered a true measure of the state's concern for increasing the birth rate.
                      1. +1
                        18 July 2021 14: 31
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        Igor, and I have five

                        I remember Alexey. hi Hello.
                        We are charged more, but we still live in a butt - friends give more used things to younger children.
                        Putin's promised living wage for children from 3 to 7 predictably turned out to be nonsense - when calculating income, all benefits and salary before deducting personal income tax (!) Are taken into account. laughing If not for my kolyma, then the vacation would have to be spent at home.
                    2. -3
                      18 July 2021 15: 06
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      Arguments with analogies are designed for smart people. Is there a problem with the troll chicks?

                      This is true with competent analogies, but you have an elderberry in your garden ...
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      What can you know about children? I have five, and unlike you, I know that all the measures to increase the birth rate announced by the GDP are complete bullshit.

                      I see you have coped without Putin. Well done. What can I know about children? Well, for example, I might know what three high school gold medals look like at different times. Or a candidate of science diploma with a certificate of "master of sports" .... How do you answer? laughing
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      And there is no need to talk about profitability - with current gas prices for SP-2 and Power of Siberia, only the cost of laying will be repulsed in decades.

                      I do not want to discuss this topic with you. You don't swim in it .... at all. One of your links to the CC shows you are far from the topic.
                      1. +2
                        18 July 2021 15: 56
                        Quote: Hagen
                        One of your links to the CC shows you are far from the topic.

                        According to your comments, we can say that you are far from the interests of the people of Russia, and from your own conscience.
                      2. -1
                        18 July 2021 17: 34
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        According to your comments, we can say that you are far from the interests of the people of Russia, and from your own conscience.

                        Allegation. If I do not agree with you in everything, this does not mean that I am far from the people. You are not all the people. And as for my conscience, I, all the more, did not give you the right to represent. I also made a kind of idea about you from your comments. Excuse me, but you, having made children for yourself and receiving benefits that I did not receive, and you hate the state that pays them to you. You live quite comfortably on the incomes that you receive and do not seek to increase them by moving to another area, where there is a shortage of workers at a fairly decent salary. True, the climate there (in our country, for example, it is 55 frost in winter) is somewhat harsher. You drown for the social system under the USSR only because there was something for free, and not at all for some idea of ​​justice and equality with the brotherhood. Thus, I can conclude that you are as material as any bourgeois, he just more competently disposed of life, education and offered opportunities than you. And therefore he is materially packed, and you, excuse me, are jealous of him. And most commentators here also drown for the USSR, as for the possibility of free material well-being without the need to sweat for it. That's all your ideas about the interests of the people. I doubt that making the next child you revel in the thought of the growth of the Russian nation. Sorry, I don’t believe it. People who really live by the ideas of communist or social-democratic morality, ready to sacrifice themselves for the sake of their idea, inspire me with a sense of respect, even if I somehow do not share these ideas with them. What I can’t say about those who are nostalgic for a free feeding trough.
                      3. 0
                        18 July 2021 18: 12
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Sorry, but you, having made yourself children and receiving benefits that I did not receive, and you hate the state that pays them

                        I pay myself these benefits, because in aggregate they do not exceed the amount of my taxes. And the state only in words advocates an increase in the birth rate. Look at social support measures in oil and gas exporting countries. And maybe you will understand something. Although unlikely, you have chosen the owl path, for 30 pieces of silver.
                        And there is no need to agitate me on watch, I am an adherent of the view where I was born, and there I came in handy. This is my country, I am not a nomad in fact, unlike you.
                      4. 0
                        18 July 2021 18: 18
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I am an adherent of the view where I was born, and there I came in handy. This is my country, I am not a nomad in fact, unlike you.

                        You are a lazy and irresponsible chatterbox with little understanding of what you want to talk to the world about. I feel sorry for your children. Most likely they will grow up with hatred of their country and those raised in active care. hi
                      5. 0
                        18 July 2021 18: 28
                        Have pity on yourself. For sooner or later you will be rewarded for justifying the genocide of the Russian people.
                      6. +1
                        18 July 2021 18: 34
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        For sooner or later you will be rewarded

                        You still betray me anathema. laughing You are funny, by God. You would have basically told the topic, otherwise you yourself flooded into the jungle of your own demographic feat and led me. And I bought a fool laughing Well, okay, I'm not offended. And I don't want to offend you. Live as best you can. Good luck ... in the field of population ...
                      7. -1
                        18 July 2021 20: 28
                        Quote: Hagen
                        And I bought a fool

                        Well, at least the reason was objectively recognized. I already ranked you among the enemies according to the Stalin problem! laughing
                      8. 0
                        18 July 2021 20: 35
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        I already ranked you among the enemies according to the Stalin problem!

                        Due to the smallness of the scale, I will not pull more than a vrazhonka. laughing
                      9. -1
                        18 July 2021 20: 39
                        Quote: Hagen
                        Due to the smallness of the scale, more

                        That is, in your troll chat you occupy a modest position? wink
                      10. 0
                        19 July 2021 06: 16
                        Quote: Ingvar 72
                        That is, in your troll chat you occupy a modest position?

                        I just do not seek to produce enemy entities from kindergarten. Your going to extremes is not a sign of preschool graduation.
        2. +3
          18 July 2021 00: 03
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          To extend the gas pipeline to them, and not to the people of their country?

          And remind me how many percent were gasified in the USSR? 15 years after the pipe was thrown in Germany ????
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Do they interfere with investing income from the sale of hydrocarbons in their economy, and not in the countries of "partners"?

          The budget revenue of the Russian Federation consists of 52% of receipts from the FCS. The main array is duties on the export of hydrocarbons. That is, all pensioners, doctors and teachers receive their money - exclusively from hydrocarbons.
          1. -1
            18 July 2021 05: 13
            Quote: your1970
            And remind me how many percent were gasified in the USSR

            Can you remind you of the rate of gasification in the USSR, and its cost for citizens? Where there was no gas, firewood or coal was brought almost free of charge.
            Quote: your1970
            That is, all pensioners, doctors and teachers receive their money - exclusively from hydrocarbons.

            Pensioners receive from the FIU. wink
            As for the rest, there is nothing to be proud of, because the economy that depends on the export of hydrocarbons does not command respect.
            1. +3
              18 July 2021 08: 59
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              Can you remind you of the rate of gasification in the USSR, and its cost for citizens?

              but remind !!!!!
              and then I'll show you the 1985 gasification decree ... with shameful figures (and formidable conclusions ...
              "The housing stock in the whole RSFSR is gasified by 65%, including natural gas in cities and workers' settlements by 48%, in rural areas only by 6,2 (!!!!!!!) percent. "
              Gas was transported to the Federal Republic of Germany by this time for at least 12 years

              The cost of gasification (for our area !!) was known - 672 rubles Not crazy numbers, but not 5 rubles.

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              almost free firewood or coal.
              - belay - in fact, 14 rubles a ton of coal (1980) we have in the Volga region. We needed 4 tons for the winter (5-8 if the coal was with waste rock - and that was)

              Quote: Ingvar 72
              more economy dependent on export of hydrocarbons,
              - well, in general, it is not a masterpiece. But the USSR with a self-sufficient economy (according to some !!!!) also sat tightly on this needle and was not going to get off ... Why would it? There were no oligarchs, they did not build yachts, dogs on the haircut was not exported ... but the gas was driven to Europe at an accelerated pace ...
              1. -3
                18 July 2021 09: 52
                Quote: your1970
                but remind !!!!!

                USSR Council of Ministers
                DECISION
                dated January 30, 1954 N 173
                On the further development of gas supply to the cities of the RSFSR. Within the framework of this decree, hundreds of specialized educational institutions were created, most of the settlements were gasified.
                Read, and the document itself, reports in the public domain.
                Granny was given firewood through the state farm for a penny, a semi-trailer for 20 kopecks. Enough for the whole winter. Taking into account the fact that her pension was 60 rubles, and her grandfather's 80, they also sent us money. Today, for a car of firewood, the mother gives a month and a half pension.
                Under the USSR, our industry worked, not the Chinese. Gas and oil were sold, but the economy was not completely dependent on imports.
                1. +1
                  18 July 2021 10: 16
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  but the economy was not entirely dependent on imports.

                  You are simply not familiar with the economy of the USSR in the 70s and 80s. And therefore you do not know what depended on what.
                2. +1
                  18 July 2021 11: 47
                  and this after 31 years

                  Council of Ministries R S F S R
                  P O S T A N O V L E N I E
                  6 September 1985 N 385
                  Moscow

                  ON MEASURES FOR FURTHER DEVELOPMENT OF GASIFICATION
                  CITIES AND OTHER LOCALITIES OF THE RSFSR
                  In 1986 - 1990

                  The Council of Ministers of the RSFSR notes that in the Russian Federation
                  work is underway to gasify the national economy. Gasified
                  957 cities, 1600 urban-type settlements and more than 73 thousand rural
                  settlements.
                  However, the pace of these works remains low. Housing fund in
                  in the whole RSFSR is gasified by 65%, including natural gas in
                  cities and workers' settlements by 48%, in rural areas only by 6,2
                  percent
                  .
                  Design capacities of operating gas lateral pipelines
                  used on average across the RSFSR by 42 percent... Significant
                  the number of industrial and agricultural enterprises, as well as
                  household consumers are not provided with natural gas, on
                  their needs are used in large volumes of fuel oil.

                  Many Councils of Ministers of Autonomous Republics, regional executive committees and
                  regional executive committees are poorly engaged in construction issues
                  distribution gas networks in cities and workers' settlements, and
                  Ministry of Agriculture of the RSFSR and the Ministry of Fruit and Vegetable
                  farms of the RSFSR - in rural areas.
                  Council of Ministers of the Kalmyk
                  ASSR, Council of Ministers of the Mari ASSR, Voronezh, Kursk, Lipetsk,
                  The Pskov and Tambov regional executive committees did not provide in 1981 - 1984
                  putting into operation 222 km of these networks. This work has not improved in
                  the first half of 1985, the Ministry of Construction of Oil and Gas Enterprises
                  Industry, Ministry of Gas Industry and Ministry
                  housing and communal services of the RSFSR are unsatisfactory
                  construction of branch pipelines, for the first half of 1985 their
                  built only 210 km, silts 17% of the annual assignment.

                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Read, and the document itself, reports in the public domain.


                  but at the same time, note that natural gas gasified in total 45 + 6,2 = 51,2% of 65% general gasification ..
                  Here slyly 13,8% of the cylinder gas was pushed into the gasification. And this is in 1985 ...

                  And there is no need for gasification under the USSR - Saratov / Engels was gasified in the Saratov Trans-Volga region under the USSR, then in 1976 - Aleksandrov Gai (construction of the Central Asia - Center highway) ...
                  The rest of the population of the Trans-Volga region began to gasify in 1997-99
                  1. -2
                    18 July 2021 13: 28
                    Quote: your1970
                    but at the same time, note that only 45 + 6,2 = 51,2% of 65% of the total gasification are supplied with natural gas.

                    You think the same way in the elections. laughing Do you know what the housing fund is? Is there evidence about the inclusion of bottled gas in the gasification?
                    But even if this is true, these rates do not come close to the rates of gasification today, and most importantly, to the PRICE. Compare the rates from 1954 to 1985, and from 1991 to 2021. One deadline. And given the fact that at the current level of scientific and technological progress, the comparison of gasification rates is far from in favor of your government, all your lies are exposed.
                    PS You yourself read the entire resolution before putting it up as an argument? wink
                    1. +1
                      19 July 2021 09: 39
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      But even if this is true, these rates do not come close to the rates of gasification today, and most importantly, to the PRICE. Compare the rates from 1954 to 1985, and from 1991 to 2021

                      You don't read what you are answering at all?
                      For 31 years, 6,2% of the housing stock in rural areas was gasified from 1954 to 1985 ...
                      From 1997 to 2006, the entire population of the Saratov Trans-Volga region was supplied with gas. In general, the whole ... The cost was not crazy, only those houses that physically cannot be gasified, in terms of culture and height of ceilings, remained not gasified. This was the only obstacle, everyone who wanted to - gasified.
                      Quote: Ingvar 72
                      all your lies are out.
                      - what? The fact that the Soviet power was important were the cities of a million, which were easier to gasify and deeply imposed on the village?
                      I brought you a document in which it is written in Russian - that in 1985, gasification and plans are not fulfilled for everyone ...
    8. -2
      18 July 2021 01: 20
      Absolutely agree!
      Today all of Europe is on its knees before Gazprom and Transneft!
      And they did it themselves!
    9. +1
      18 July 2021 16: 31
      Putin could not even force his own officials to fulfill their May decrees! Strategy 2020, which was developed and adopted in 2008, with success BROKEN !!! The President can only scratch with his tongue.
    10. 0
      21 July 2021 16: 21
      Ingvar 72. But Putin does not see Yeltsin at close range. It is Lenin's fault that Yeltsin destroyed the USSR.
  2. -5
    17 July 2021 05: 31
    ***
    We are peaceful people, but our armored train ...
    Don't get in our way! ...
    ***
    1. -12
      17 July 2021 07: 35
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      ***
      We are peaceful people, but our armored train ...
      Don't get in our way! ...
      ***

      Eat pineapples, chew grouse, your last day comes bourgeois ..
      Everything goes to this! hi
      PS Minus the bastards it will not save you anyway .. Our cause is just!
      1. AUL
        +10
        17 July 2021 09: 05
        Quote: xorek
        PS Minus the bastards it won't save you anyway

        A person with two higher educations is immediately visible (the second "tower" is economic)! laughing
        1. -10
          17 July 2021 09: 19
          Quote from AUL
          Quote: xorek
          PS Minus the bastards it won't save you anyway

          A person with two higher educations is immediately visible (the second "tower" is economic)! laughing

          The first pedagogical .. Here is what the Russian people have been brought to. angry
          So you have to deal with the snubs of the West hehe
          PS And we also have this in our province "Don't believe, don't be afraid, don't ask!"
          Criminal, but the point is there, especially now in Russia!
          1. +6
            17 July 2021 10: 01
            Quote: xorek
            The first pedagogical .. Here is what the Russian people have been brought to.


            God save from such teachers! Amen...

            Like these ones teachers like you, who cannot logically connect a few words and formulate them correctly in the comments, and brought the country.
      2. +4
        17 July 2021 14: 41
        your last day comes bourgeois.
        you seem to be always for the bourgeoisie. Here are the people and give you cons.
  3. +8
    17 July 2021 05: 49
    only if, after this article by Putin, concrete actions are started to collect Russia its lands, only then Putin's article will not be an empty phrase, but will become a sent signal that Russia is continuing the work begun in 2014 in Crimea. And then we will be able to say that such leaders as Putin do not write such articles for no reason. Otherwise, it will be possible to say, well, I wrote an article, and what of this ...
    1. +2
      17 July 2021 06: 15
      Quote: north 2
      only if, after this article by Putin, concrete actions begin to collect Russia its lands, only then Putin's article will not be an empty phrase


      Agree to 100%.
    2. -1
      17 July 2021 07: 02
      It is possible to take territory away from the enemies of the communists who have seized other republics of the USSR only by armed means. Did you want to fight?
      1. +2
        17 July 2021 10: 48
        Quote: tatra
        It is possible to take territory away from the enemies of the communists who have seized other republics of the USSR only by armed means. Did you want to fight?

        so if they had not fought when the enemies of the communists seized Ukraine, then after 1941 Russia may be at some time and would have existed only from the Urals to Vladivostok, until the Russian slaves, under the supervision of the Germans, would have created Germany on the territory of the European part of Russia, which by force to master the Trans-Urals and Siberia. Likewise, if they had not fought in the nineties of the XX century, when the enemies of the communists captured Chechnya and Degestan, then to this day these lands of Russia would no longer be Russian territory.
        I do not aspire to fight. But as you know, choosing between war and shame, you get both war and shame. And it is disgraceful for Russia to see how they took away its ancestral lands on the outskirts of the country and do nothing to return these lands to themselves, for the near future the country is even worse than a lost war. Russians have always been famous for the fact that they always come for their own. This was one of
        pillars of Russia's ideology. And Russia without ideologists, this is exactly what the dreaming Russia needs
        split completely and forever.
  4. +3
    17 July 2021 06: 00
    The tricks are understandable. It's just not clear what to do with all this. There are many fair statements about the harm for the Russian Federation of the emergence of a hostile Ukraine as a bridgehead for NATO. It would be nice to understand exactly how the Russian Federation will deal with this. After all, no one wants to fight. Some people advise placing missiles in Cuba, but they don't ask, and Cuba agrees with that. It looks like the train has left.
    1. -1
      17 July 2021 06: 42
      Quote: mikh-korsakov
      Some people advise placing missiles in Cuba, but they don't ask, and Cuba agrees with that. It looks like the train has left.

      And Cuba would agree! Give only a request! And don't quit like you did before.
      1. +3
        17 July 2021 06: 52
        Elena. Will Cuba believe? Will the existing government hold out there? It would be nice if I could resist, it would be nice if China would throw some money. Then the chances are there. But then they will become friends with China
        1. -1
          17 July 2021 07: 00
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Will Cuba believe?

          There are still many people who studied in the USSR, and their descendants are not the last
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          it would be good if China threw some money. Then the chances are there. But then they will become friends with China

          Well, a Russian military base wouldn't hurt either. The main thing is that the Cubans should not be thrown again. And the fact that they will be friends with China is so important that the United States does not lay a paw on them, and there are already such attempts.
          1. +3
            17 July 2021 07: 21
            To locate a Russian military base in Cuba, several key factors are needed ... so far I do not see them ... the desire of the members of the forum is not enough.
      2. +1
        17 July 2021 07: 30
        Dear Elena, of course Cuba would agree. But this will inevitably entail colossal spending from the budget to support the Cuban economy (remember how many billions were spent in the Soviet period and how much Cuba was forgiven under Vladimir Vladimirovich). I am a supporter of the resumption of close cooperation with Cuba, incl. and the military, but I would like Russia to resolve the issue with the LPNR first of all - they deserve it, take concrete and decisive steps to protect the Russians in Ukraine. And then you can go to Cuba ...
        1. +3
          17 July 2021 10: 07
          Quote: Borz
          I would like Russia to first of all resolve the issue with the LPNR - they deserve it, take concrete and decisive steps to protect the Russians in Ukraine. And then you can go to Cuba ...

          I agree completely. I just know that when they still abandoned Cuba, the Cubans continued to accept children-Chernobyl victims (and later, not only them) and treated them free of charge. They have not betrayed. And this is an indicator of their decency. Of course, then there was still Fidel, but I would like the relationship to be better now.
          1. +3
            17 July 2021 10: 50
            Again, I cannot disagree with you. The treatment and rehabilitation of our children by Cubans is a fact, the humanity of which I personally admire.

            It was a mistake to let Cuba out of its sphere of influence. Moreover, there are few countries and peoples in the world that sincerely respect the USSR and Russia. And the Cuban fighters are wonderful. The Americans and the South African people can confirm.

            And yet (to summarize), at the moment it is necessary to save the Russians in some of the former Soviet republics, to prevent genocide and humiliation.
            Cuba, with all due respect to this country, will wait a little.
  5. +11
    17 July 2021 06: 03
    From the beginning of the year to July 12, the price for potatoes in Russia rose by 80,42 percent, cabbage - by 88,69 percent, onion - by 35,01 percent. Since the beginning of the year, carrots have grown in price by 151,89 percent, apples - by 8,13 percent. And this is according to Rosstat))
    Vladimir Vladimirovich, is this your merit?
    1. +2
      17 July 2021 06: 12
      Well, who else can you blame in Russia?
      1. +10
        17 July 2021 06: 41
        Igor, I'll tell you a secret, if someone has been in charge of something for more than twenty years, then he is responsible for everything anyway.
    2. +4
      17 July 2021 07: 09
      But bananas and pineapples are cheaper. The situation is like with the ruble and currency smile
    3. +5
      17 July 2021 07: 26
      "has risen in price in Russia"

      Prices for everything are growing by leaps and bounds. And this is before the elections, imagine what will happen after them.
  6. +11
    17 July 2021 06: 09
    Putin was late with his article, he was very late ... more like an election campaign.
    The enemy at our borders is quietly conducting military exercises for the new Drang Nach Osten.
    NATO has completely swallowed Eastern Europe and does not intend to stop.
    Therefore, Putin's belated thoughts no longer solve anything ... the train left.
    1. -15
      17 July 2021 06: 13
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Belatedly Putin with his article, much belated ... more like a pre-election propaganda.
      The enemy at our borders is quietly conducting military exercises for the new Drang Nach Osten.
      NATO has completely swallowed Eastern Europe and does not intend to stop.
      Therefore, Putin's belated thoughts no longer solve anything ... the train left.

      I slightly disagree .. Putin wrote this article, I think before deciding on a serious step in relation to Ukraine .. There is something clearly plotting and this article as the last proposal to think again .. But everything is useless! Ukraine is being drained and Russia will have to deal with the cleanup .. Something will be obvious !!
      1. +10
        17 July 2021 06: 27
        How do you imagine this sweep ...
        a new generation of people has grown up in Ukraine (I don’t think LDNR) who have no warm feelings for Russia.
        Their loyalty cannot be earned by force.
        The ruling class will not voluntarily give up the feeding trough in the country, and these are not only Bandera and Nazis of all stripes, these are also corrupt officials and deputies, these are also numerous bloodsuckers from American and European non-profit organizations ... there is such a viper now formed ... Mom, do not cry ...
        1. 0
          17 July 2021 06: 52
          Does the example of Germany in '45 not suit you?
          1. +5
            17 July 2021 07: 00
            Compare Germany, 45, and modern Ukraine ... smile
            Zelensky potassium cyanide will not gnaw ...
            no ... there is no similarity.
            1. +1
              17 July 2021 09: 16
              Is there only one Ze who lives there?
          2. +2
            17 July 2021 10: 26
            Germany in 45 was defeated and the allies did not particularly interfere in the territories occupied by the USSR. Now and there is no such situation.
            1. +4
              17 July 2021 12: 12
              Quote: Kronos
              and the allies did not particularly interfere in the territories occupied by the USSR ...

              1. How they got in the way ...
              2. The USSR is not Russia.
              Quote: Kronos
              Now and there is no such situation.

              3. Now they are working on our ...
              1. +5
                17 July 2021 12: 13
                With the fact that the USSR was much better and stronger than Russia, you can not argue.
                1. +7
                  17 July 2021 12: 18
                  And not because of the territory or wealth, but thanks to the cadres, people who, for the most part, served the Motherland sincerely and selflessly ...
        2. -14
          17 July 2021 06: 56
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          How do you imagine this sweep ...

          Well, Sudoplatov's students stayed with us .. Everything will be quiet and without noise.
          They will run on their own, because in fact there are not so many zapadnenets arrogant and thieves who seized Kiev during the Maidan (after all, they were the main shock link with the support of the West).!
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          a new generation of people has grown up in Ukraine (I don’t think LDNR) who have no warm feelings for Russia.

          And we will not touch them, and even more so, they should not be given freebies .. Let them repent and Donbass will help them with this, they know how and what to do ..
          And Putin pauses correctly .. They must mature!
          1. +6
            17 July 2021 07: 06
            Why were Sudoplatov's students unable to do anything in Ukraine in 2014 ... why are they suddenly doing something now?
            The situation can always go according to the scenario that you least expect ... until I see the prerequisites for changing the situation for the better.
            1. -10
              17 July 2021 07: 14
              Quote: Lech from Android.
              Why were Sudoplatov's students unable to do anything in Ukraine in 2014 ... why are they suddenly doing something now?

              Analysts advised Putin not to get into this mess for the time being and did the right thing.There, after all, the Sabbath began to destroy everything, they committed atrocities in euphoria that they would be accepted in the EU and money would flow to Ukraine .. Alas, none of this happened .. Everything was destroyed, the specialists fled to including to Russia There are talkers and a pipe left .. laughing
              And it was ingeniously invented, to rush to Syria unexpectedly and soak the igil
              Nobody expected (everyone was waiting for the invasion of the Outskirts) ..
              But there is one small and cunning country nearby and its representatives rule in Kiev (so far I hope)! Do you understand what I mean ..?
              Such things are going on in special forces on the border of Ukraine and Israel .. soldier
              1. +8
                17 July 2021 10: 27
                These are all cunning-plan conversations for the poor and faith in the genius Putin.
                1. -13
                  17 July 2021 10: 32
                  Quote: Kronos
                  These are all cunning-plan conversations for the poor and faith in the genius Putin.

                  What do you believe in? The freedom of speech and the druggism of the Western world? Oh well
          2. +9
            17 July 2021 15: 21
            Well, Sudoplatov's students stayed with us .. Everything will be quiet and without noise.
            And in front of them will be led by Meehan himself with a saber in his hand ...
  7. +8
    17 July 2021 06: 10
    We must honestly admit that we have lost Ukraine. Or Ukraine itself is gone. As you like it more. The article was too late ... Previously, it was necessary to "teach history." We even had an ambassador there - M. Zurabov, who was not needed in Russia either .. Therefore, one should not be surprised. Everything is quite understandable and natural.
    1. 0
      17 July 2021 06: 47
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      We must honestly admit that we have lost Ukraine. Or Ukraine itself is gone. As you like it more. The article was too late ... Previously, it was necessary to "teach history."

      Don't tell. Now the prices will rise, pensions and salaries, at best, will remain in place, they themselves will be asked to return "to brothers". But much more will depend on who the Americans will impose on us instead of Ze.
      1. +1
        17 July 2021 10: 28
        There is no need to ask, the local elites are firmly tied to the United States.
      2. +1
        17 July 2021 10: 35
        Even if "I ask back, brothers," then with what? .. With the ruined economy, health care, banderization? .. Again, 15-20 million parasites will be put on our backbone? .. Meaning? .. When, for will we live ourselves?
    2. -4
      17 July 2021 06: 51
      Better late than never - have you heard that expression?
      1. -1
        17 July 2021 12: 23
        Ros56, here you are just talking about everything: "ask", "brothers", "brotherhood". I'm surprised, straight. Excuse me, but you remind me of a political instructor at political studies who instills in the soldiers that the Germans are our brothers, and the same proletarians. And they will not shoot at the soldiers of the Red Army, but will turn their weapons against the capitalist Hitler. A naive soldier sits in the trenches on June 22 and shouts "Comrat, I am also an Arbeiten proletarian! Don't shoot!" And he gets a bullet in the forehead from the Deutsche Arbeiten.
        Come to your senses, my dear! Ukraine is not the Ukrainian SSR. They spit in our face, and you again run and climb to hug for already 30 years, a foreign people. Then you will be indignant: "Our former brothers deceived us" Everything must be done wisely, with dignity and self-respect. Sorry,
        1. +1
          17 July 2021 12: 27
          Come on, come on, this is where you saw my reasoning, didn’t beguiled anything? I'll prove it to the table.
          1. -2
            17 July 2021 12: 30
            Please, sir! "better late than never, have you heard such an expression?" Sorry, your fingers on my tablet are not visible.)
            1. +2
              17 July 2021 12: 34
              Is this my reasoning? As Evstigneev said in the role of Ruchechnik, in the Meeting Place, you would have to compose fairy tales, Andryusha. There is no need to cast a shadow over the fence and pass off your fantasies as truth.
              1. -4
                17 July 2021 12: 41
                Well, Ruchechnik said something else: "You have no right. The elder ordered." This is why I am a shadow on the mold? Speaking in your own words, "Prove to the table."
    3. +7
      17 July 2021 12: 08
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      The article was too late ...

      Yeah, a little bit, about 30 years ...
  8. -3
    17 July 2021 06: 16
    Hidden messages to the West and Ukraine in Putin's article

    According to the article - Putin untied his hands)))
    1. +2
      17 July 2021 06: 30
      For myself, I heard the main thing, but of the following content: I quote literally "Leave with what you came with" ...
      1. 0
        17 July 2021 06: 39
        Yes, it sounds like that. One BUT ... All who wanted for a long time have already left with what they wanted. This is a message for the remaining ones ???
    2. -7
      17 July 2021 07: 01
      Quote: lucul
      Hidden messages to the West and Ukraine in Putin's article

      According to the article - Putin untied his hands)))

      It was he who untied it, having addressed the Ukrainian people for the last time (not to the Westerners, the Bandera people) Something will soon begin there, especially when the pipe is cut off ..
    3. -4
      17 July 2021 12: 07
      You can't say more precisely. Judging by the text, (especially the ending) it is simple, the forelocks got it, with their arrogance and deceit. And he is a patient man ...
      Later, he listened to his godfather, Medvedchuk. Even godfather regrets the stupidity of his fellow countrymen. But it cannot help them in any way. I didn’t even get upset. He just threw up his hands ...
  9. +3
    17 July 2021 06: 29
    If we omit the criticism of the Bolsheviks, then basically everything is so. But this criticism, it eats away everything like rust. If there is anything in common between the West and our country, it is anti-Sovietism. And Soviet people live throughout the post-Soviet space. Plans large, but the implementation of these plans will rest on the mood of corporations. And our prices also depend on exports.
  10. 0
    17 July 2021 06: 50
    Whoever says anything, but from the point of view of the interests of Russia and the Russian people, the article sets out everything correctly and this should become a guide to action. Only time should not be dragged out, otherwise it will be more and more difficult to solve geopolitical problems every year.
  11. +5
    17 July 2021 07: 02
    I think first you need to put things in order in your house, and then teach others how to live. And then, how many similar "conceptual" articles, messages, May decrees have already been ...
    1. +1
      17 July 2021 21: 21
      That's it, that's it. We need to make life in Russia attractive. Only in this case is the reincarnation of the Union possible. But with the current government, alas.
  12. -2
    17 July 2021 07: 10
    The enemies of the communists never admit guilt either for their crimes, or for their mistakes and stupidity, they always cowardly dump the blame for them on others, including for the fact that they divided among themselves not just the USSR, but de facto, centuries-old Russia, and They began to plant anger and hatred against each other, and together, in order to honestly admit this, they cowardly shifted the blame for this on the Bolshevik-Communists. BUT this does not solve any problems they have created. And the nonsense about some "triune Russian people", which after the Bolsheviks called the Great Russians Russians, and the Little Russians Ukrainians, suddenly ceased to be so. All the same people remained to live in the same territories, to speak the same languages.
  13. +8
    17 July 2021 07: 26
    Again, someone put a mine on Putin .......
    1. +4
      17 July 2021 09: 56
      Again, someone put a mine on Putin .......
      No, it turned out not long ago that it turns out that he lives in a minefield. laughing
  14. 0
    17 July 2021 07: 51
    He also mentioned the notorious policy of the 20s on the "indigenousization" of peoples, which led to the imposition of the Ukrainian language to the detriment of the Russian language,
    The enemies of the communists, even if only to lie in their anti-Sovietism, agreed in the same way. Otherwise, the Russian enemies of the Communists accuse the Bolsheviks of carrying out "indigenousization" in the Ukrainian SSR, while the Ukrainian ones accuse the Bolsheviks of staging a "Holodomor" "in order to destroy the national consciousness of Ukrainians."
  15. +10
    17 July 2021 07: 56
    smile GDP, put everything on the shelves, found the guilty - the Bolsheviks, declared enemies - the West and the borderland nationalists, gave a supposedly national idea - Moscow, the collector of the primordial Russian lands - we will return the lost. The people cheered up, finally, here they are, and here they are she is an idea. "I will go to death for Festa!" smile It turned out, a very beautiful and tasty cake. It remains to put a "cherry" - how will this be realized? "Turn off the gas" (c) and "Thundering fire, sparkling with the shine of steel, will the cars go on a furious campaign"? ? Like, a single economic space on the territory of the former USSR? so everything has died and the CIS and the union state of the Russian Federation and RB .. So how will we collect the land? What will surprise you? smile
    1. -13
      17 July 2021 08: 38
      Quote: parusnik
      So how will we collect the land? What will surprise you?

      The West will help us.
      In the Internet age, it is not possible to hide the true intentions of Western civilization. The only place on Earth to preserve their culture and identity is Russia. In this article, Putin, using the example of Ukraine, gave an example to everyone - countries can develop only under the wing of the Russian civilization. Sooner or later the peoples of the World will understand this.
      1. +8
        17 July 2021 09: 19
        Quote: Boris55
        Sooner or later the peoples of the World will understand this.

        Here the question of time is very important .. and it’s not enough to understand .. you need to put things in order in your own house and further with an example and the idea of ​​collecting land .. but now the question is different ... how many of us will be left in fifty years?
        1. +6
          17 July 2021 12: 03
          Quote: Svarog
          how many of us will be left in fifty years?

          In Moscow and St. Petersburg, 20 million ...
      2. +2
        17 July 2021 09: 43
        The West will help us.
        without their developed technologies, investments, the Russian economy cannot be modernized, as is said at all international economic forums held in Russia smile
        1. -13
          17 July 2021 09: 54
          Quote: parusnik
          without their advanced technologies

          Their "advanced" technologies are not able to duplicate our weapons.

          Quote: parusnik
          investment in the Russian economy

          As soon as Russia starts trading energy resources for rubles, foreign investment will not be needed.

          Quote: parusnik
          Buzova, Milokhin, Morgenstern, - the face of Russian culture and identity

          This is foam that instantly changes shoes depending on the rotation of the weather vane.
          1. +6
            17 July 2021 10: 01
            Uh-huh, foam as soon as it starts. Their "advanced" technologies are not able to replicate our weapons. laughing All the best. laughing hi Do not be ill laughing
      3. +8
        17 July 2021 09: 50
        The only place on Earth to preserve their culture and identity is Russia.
        Buzova, Milokhin, Morgenstern are the face of Russian culture and identity. laughing
    2. +10
      17 July 2021 09: 16
      Quote: parusnik
      RB .. So how will we collect the land? What will we surprise you with?

      So he has been chatting for 20 years .. how can he surprise .. chatter is no longer surprising ..
      1. +12
        17 July 2021 09: 46
        uh-huh, 25 million jobs, etc ... laughing
      2. +9
        17 July 2021 11: 58
        Quote: Svarog
        how can he surprise ...

        New tax or excise tax ...
  16. +5
    17 July 2021 11: 56
    ... and warns the West that Russia is no longer going to tolerate its attempts to create anti-Russian bridgeheads on the territory of these states.

    During...
  17. +10
    17 July 2021 12: 53
    Most likely, this whole message is an imperfect mixture of vague threats, messages and demagogic probing of the line that can evoke a response in society before the autumn elections.
    A significant part of Ukrainian society is certainly not hostile to us, but it is also impossible to call it "pro-Russian" - these people are politically moderately or immoderately indifferent, while latently Ukrainianized - not so much linguistically as culturally. This means that theoretically it is possible to involve them in the struggle against some of our overly active initiatives, using precisely the cultural and aesthetic antagonism, which undoubtedly exists and is increasing, despite all the mess that we observe in Ukraine. In the question of "the usual mess" or "the impending unfamiliar gloomy stagnation", a significant proportion of the population will choose the "usual mess", because in this historical period our cultural, economic and aesthetic message is not much better than the Ukrainian one, and certainly inferior to the European ...
    As long as we have this, there can be no talk of any "return of lands", it would be a somersault mortale.
    GDP can hint or nightmare the West as much as it wants - at the moment and for quite a long time the general strategic situation in the direction of the post-Soviet republics has been developing according to patterns that suit the West, and our ability to influence this could be described as "practically agonizing." Everything is in the position in which the situation is developing by itself, unprofitable for us and without the expenditure of resources in the West, and we are forced to spend resources and large resources to maintain the speed of this development, but having the opportunity to break the trend (or desires ..). Our economy is forced to do everything. to cooperate equally with the economies of the former republics that are antagonizing us, which in fact allows their elites to "eat out of two troughs."
    You can add the history of the times of "Kievan Rus" to this as much as you like, this is a stupid activity that has nothing to do with the root of the problem, and even more so with the ways of solving it - in fact, we are apparently NOT going to solve it as a long-term or reasonable way, relying on a situational approach and brute force, similar to our domestic politics.
  18. +10
    17 July 2021 13: 22
    Today's Putin very much resembles the late Brezhnev with his literary exercises in the form of the "immortal" trilogy "Small Land", "Renaissance", "Virgin lands", which were studied and admired by the whole country and which went into oblivion together with the author, leaving behind only anecdotes ... Apparently, the "literary heritage" of the next ruler will also be sure to study.
    1. +4
      17 July 2021 19: 11
      Under Brezhnev there was a COUNTRY. And nobody blathers. Ah, these ridiculous excuses look ridiculous. Against the background of wives, children and others. Living behind the cordon and sucking everything from the country. One Sands is worth something.
    2. +5
      17 July 2021 19: 41
      The teacher at the university fought with Brezhnev, spoke very well of him.
      1. +5
        17 July 2021 19: 48
        Brezhnev fought. Unlike some ministers of the Ministry of Defense. New and recent.
    3. +2
      17 July 2021 21: 27
      They took it straight from the tongue ...
  19. +8
    17 July 2021 14: 47
    Creation is not drawn to the "Short Course .."
    A set of platitudes, which, on the other hand, provides a huge scope for commentators and interpreters, and this is bread and butter!
  20. +7
    17 July 2021 16: 20
    We are waiting for new opuses, and in the future a complete collection of works. By 2024, it should become everyone's handbook.
  21. +2
    17 July 2021 19: 19
    I did not understand why the president recalls Sobchak, after all, a law of 03.04 1990 was adopted regarding the withdrawal of the Union republics from the USSR?
  22. +3
    17 July 2021 20: 23
    What to hide?
    Russians harness for a long time ... and then they don't go anywhere.
  23. +2
    18 July 2021 08: 15
    Ukraine continues to tear off at a forced pace, they prohibit the language, paint a new history, Kovid helps with the cleanup of the generation of those who remember what was different, the post-Maidan generation has already gone to school (consider the second anti-Russian), and His Majesty powerfully replied with an article, sending then someone again has a clear signal
  24. +2
    18 July 2021 09: 24
    And, writing all the masters, and writing is not bad, but you come to the store, lo and behold, everything has already risen in price ...
    You look at the news - lo and behold, again a promise in the future and a record for the export of something from the country ... gas, steel, grain, Sputnik ...

    Scribble scribble, and the people in the country are shrinking ...
  25. +3
    18 July 2021 18: 56
    Is everything that good for the lieutenant colonel in Russia? So there is nothing to do inside the country? Now I decided, out of boredom, to take up Ukraine. Marasmus.
  26. 0
    18 July 2021 19: 59
    Hidden messages to the West and Ukraine in Putin's article

    Well, what promises - the usual anti-Soviet! I wonder under what pseudonym he goes to the CIA? They fought against the USSR for so many years, and here is such a "gift" ....
  27. +1
    18 July 2021 20: 10
    Hidden messages to the West and Ukraine in Putin's article

    Dropout, he is - dropout. sad
  28. 0
    20 July 2021 12: 40
    Are the Bolsheviks again to blame for everything? And if you think a little, so offhand without delving into the jungle? In 30 years, from 22 to 52nd, the Bolsheviks created an industrial power from scratch, a "clean field" after 8 years of wars, revolutions, epidemics, etc. With potential, scientific and engineering personnel, highly professional state apparatus and leadership, and most importantly, create and educate a new community of people, totally literate and highly motivated for creative development. All this allowed the EU to win the war, model 1, with which the current "masters of life" are now covering up their wretchedness, venality and bankruptcy with a victory, not having their own people, along the way trying to privatize it and take credit for it. In the shortest possible time, the territories totally burned out by the "democratic" invaders were restored, the nuclear and space industries, etc., were created, and the development of Siberia and the North began. The USSR has become a powerful power with a huge sphere of influence in the world.
    And now the "victories" are modern. The state was betrayed and destroyed by the hands of their own leaders who wished to monetize the power and join the circle of the world "high society". For this, for the sake of their wretched ambitions, they betrayed, lied and killed, an inherited estate society was created, divided by a huge abyss of inequality, living according to different laws. A country created on the basis of lies and betrayal, with the help of crime and treason, where all the structures of the state are saturated with lies, where the nobility, the usurped power is completely irresponsible and unpunished, despises its people and the country that gave and provide them with hypertrophied wealth, is not viable and has no prospects development. Lost are colossal territories, abundantly watered with the blood of our ancestors and left to us, poor heirs, and without war and occupation, a destroyed economy and total dependence on imports of everything and everything, the plundering of a once great power unparalleled in the history of mankind, its transformation into a raw material colony, the destruction of the system education and upbringing, science and vocational education, culture and morality, their substitution with other people's values, genocide of the people, etc. and so on, here they are the "achievements" of the current news environment, reveling in its permissiveness, fooled by the dough of the main criterion for the measure of everything and everyone. What the EU model 1 failed in 41 was succeeded by EU2, with the help of the comprador nobility itself, which could not even calculate the consequences in relation to itself, betraying friends and allies.
  29. 0
    24 July 2021 15: 03
    Putin as a bad dancer ... All the time the Bolsheviks interfere.
  30. 0
    25 July 2021 23: 44
    "... this is not the choice of the people, but of the corrupt elite" - I forgot to write here that this also applies to Russia. And he won't say about EBNa ...
    And all this looks like trying to solve problems reactively, i.e. dealing with the consequences. https://youtu.be/I1SDVc8trtc - the 2010 issue already clarified everything well then