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France? Portugal? Mosfilm

"In the area of ​​special attention"



Turned on the TV. I do not often do this - so, out of habit sometimes. But here I was lucky - there was a dilogy "In the zone of special attention" and "Return move". And I remembered one question that had stuck in my childhood as an annoying splinter: what kind of camouflage was on the scouts-paratroopers in the second film?

After all, I myself served in the army, and many of my peers have visited various troops and hot spots. From childhood, they carried everything that at least more or less related to uniforms. And some hunters and fishermen do not get out of it even now. But just such a coloring did not come across.

I got into the world network and learned a lot of interesting things about clothes for these films ...

Here lieutenant Tarasov and warrant officer Valentir are sitting on the bank of the river and argue about how to carry out the task. From childhood, familiar shots and familiar camouflage - "birch" in the folk way. But it was applied to a dozen costumes by hand (which is still a headache for dressers) and, most likely, with bleach. Moreover, it was applied to the OKZK-D (the combined-arms protective suit of the paratrooper - an analogue of the OZK, only cloth and soaked in terrible chemistry, they said, a very smelly thing).

Why did you have to do this?

By personal order of the Commander of the Airborne Troops V.F.Margelov. As well as the fact that the paratroopers should be in the frame in blue berets! In juicy, Russian expressions, Vasily Filippovich said that he was ready to tear his throat for a beret.

The filmmakers agreed that in this way, indeed, the main characters would look even brighter.

Since there was no trace of the Afghan woman yet (the film was released in 1977), this handmade was used.


"Reciprocal move"


And here is the "Return move". It was released in 1981. It shows even more samples of equipment, combat arms and even ships. The reconnaissance group now consists of two paratroopers and two marines. With the latter, everything is clear - they are in black uniforms, which were considered the hallmark of our sailors. Well, except for one nuance, more on him later.

But what are the paratroopers wearing?

Many people mistakenly refer to sewing as “Afghan”. But this is not the case. The slanted bottom pockets on the jacket and the shape of the trouser pockets indicate the roots of the French skydiving uniform. Later, however, the Portuguese used the style and all sorts of copyists from Africa. But the fabric ...

Tricolor camouflage with brown and green strokes on a light background. If they were longer, it would have turned out to be a French "lizard", we sometimes call it "tiger". But the lines are short. And sewing is professional from finished fabric. Here they no longer began to apply bleach on cotton through a stencil.

Consequently, a batch was ordered on an experimental basis. The Soviet film industry of the 80s could afford it. But they were clearly guided by the imported "lump" that came to the USSR, most likely from Angola. It was there that our advisers helped the next struggle for independence.

Now about the nuance with the Marines.

During the scene of practicing hand-to-hand combat on the deck, all helmets were made of the same camouflage. This was done, apparently, in order to create the appearance of mass character and prevalence.


Well, and the highlight on the cake.

At the very beginning of the film, a scene is played out where Lieutenant Colonel Moroshkin and a capture group conduct a successful operation to intercept the courier with plans for the operation. Always dressed in a field uniform, Moroshko this time appears in some kind of khaki overalls. As well as a group of fighters under his command.


So, in the opinion of the uniformists, these overalls are the Polish Army. This is indicated by the shape and location of the pockets.

And so it turns out - if someone wants such a camouflage as in the movie "Return Move", then it cannot be found on store shelves and cannot be ordered on the Internet. A piece thing.
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FILM "IN THE ZONE OF SPECIAL ATTENTION" 1977
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  1. Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 20 July 2021 15: 11
    -12%
    Damn, absolutely the authors on "VO" have written up ... After reading, I want to ask just one question: "So what?". Although no, even like this: "So what?"
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      20 July 2021 15: 16
      +14
      A deep remark about VO from a person who has not existed on the site for a year.
      The rest of the commentators, already traditionally, thank you for the thoughts left and judicious reviews.
      1. Bashkirkhan
        Bashkirkhan 20 July 2021 15: 21
        +47
        hi Good publication, develop the topic further, you can talk about the form of mail in Russia.

        1. Okolotochny
          Okolotochny 20 July 2021 16: 43
          +2
          For the "execution" lists good
        2. serg.shishkov2015
          serg.shishkov2015 21 July 2021 07: 56
          +2
          I want such a parade for myself! My overalls are blue! Post office!
        3. V means B
          V means B 22 July 2021 12: 40
          +1
          I must admit, yes, there is something similar, especially in the female version.
        4. Usher
          Usher 22 July 2021 22: 46
          +1
          Quote: Bashkirkhan
          hi Good publication, develop the topic further, you can talk about the form of mail in Russia.


          It's kind of a fake. A friend of mine works in the mail, I came and looked, they did not have such a form and did not have it. Blue uniform.
          1. Bashkirkhan
            Bashkirkhan 23 July 2021 09: 14
            0
            Quote: Usher
            It's kind of a fake. A friend of mine works in the mail, I came and looked, they did not have such a form and did not have it.

      2. knn54
        knn54 20 July 2021 15: 31
        +3
        Igor, why not create a cycle, for example, "kKinolyap" with a military bias.
        And the films are not necessarily domestic.
        1. Cowbra
          Cowbra 20 July 2021 17: 22
          +1
          Quote: knn54
          why not create a cycle, for example, "kKinolyap" with a military bias

          Because you need to create a separate portal for this right away. And if you also remember the zabugrovye ... Only the lazy did not laugh at this vintar - you can drag him into the jungle - you can drag him out dead in 5 minutes)))
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 57
            +2
            And why did Wat so displease Heckler? smile
            1. Cowbra
              Cowbra 22 July 2021 05: 39
              +1
              Why "police" - you know?
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 22 July 2021 05: 41
                0
                What - "police"?
                1. Cowbra
                  Cowbra 22 July 2021 05: 43
                  +5
                  The Germans call this rifle - city or police, dun-chikhni - catch a wedge, the song is not mine
                  1. Cowbra
                    Cowbra 22 July 2021 05: 44
                    +1
                    And the fairy tale how he rode with her))) I once took it in my hands - and then I pissed
                    1. Cowbra
                      Cowbra 22 July 2021 05: 48
                      0
                      By the way, I would not say that there is a paragraph and it is accurate ... But you know that ... With SKS for 500 packs. Sx-shit ... the pack too ...
                    2. Catfish
                      Catfish 22 July 2021 06: 04
                      0
                      Well, I don’t know, I didn’t shoot it either, but the G3, and in the photo its sniper version, was in service in Germany from 1957 to 1995, and the rifle was produced until 2001 because it was in demand in other countries.
                      The original development of the Mauser company (StG45 (M), - through the Spanish CETME - straight to Heckler & Koch, that is, it returned "to square one", more precisely to the "ruins" of the Mauser arms factory.
                      1. Cowbra
                        Cowbra 22 July 2021 06: 23
                        -1
                        This is not G-3 even once, and not close, capricious so that you turn gray. and in the jungle ... it's .. shit ...
                        Let's talk about love?
                      2. Catfish
                        Catfish 22 July 2021 08: 31
                        +4
                        You know what, if you would go trolling, to politics, to the company of the Tatra and the like. And listen to pop music, I don’t clog my ears.
      3. Normal ok
        Normal ok 20 July 2021 19: 48
        +1
        Quote: knn54
        Igor, why not create a cycle, for example, "kKinolyap" with a military bias.
        And the films are not necessarily domestic.

        Let's just say, high-quality films about the war - "on the fingers". One of the good things in recent years is the Greyhound.
    2. Daniil Konovalenko
      Daniil Konovalenko 20 July 2021 15: 55
      +3
      Sorry, "Solobon" has not been on the site for a year yet, but the question is, what deep reflections can there be about the fact that Soviet soldiers were "imported"? With the paratroopers, it is clear why, from the corpses, they were removed in Angola. smile But the Polish overalls, here is a mystery. Maybe at the joint exercises of the ATS countries, overalls have changed? smile
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 20 July 2021 20: 00
        +15
        ... from corpses, removed in Angola

        Yes, they were freely sold in theirs "secondhand", a friend once brought me from a business trip, to the envy of all hunters and fishermen. smile
      2. Cowbra
        Cowbra 22 July 2021 08: 51
        +1
        Yungsturmovka were sold before the Great Patriotic War - and that is exactly what they were called
    3. Victorio
      Victorio 20 July 2021 16: 11
      +1
      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
      A deep remark about VO from a person who has not existed on the site for a year.
      The rest of the commentators, already traditionally, thank you for the thoughts left and judicious reviews.

      ===
      what handmade!? claim that there was no camouflage then? and this is that https://forma-odezhda.ru/encyclopedia/maskirovochnye-halaty-nakidki-kostyumy-rkka-1940-1945-gg/
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        20 July 2021 16: 39
        +2
        Sorry, did you read the article at all? By the way, it is very short. And about specific films and types of clothing in these films. Or have you not watched "In the Zone of Special Attention"? There you jumped with parachutes in a cape "amoeba"?
        1. Victorio
          Victorio 21 July 2021 15: 34
          0
          Quote: Leader of the Redskins
          But it was applied to a dozen costumes by hand (which is still a headache for dressers) and, most likely, with bleach.

          ===
          Where does this information come from? that's why I wrote the following to you:

          Quote: Victorio
          what handmade !? claim that there was no camouflage then?




          1. The leader of the Redskins
            21 July 2021 15: 47
            +2
            Information from the participants in those events. Some who are still alive and remember.
            1. Victorio
              Victorio 21 July 2021 15: 51
              -1
              Quote: Leader of the Redskins
              Information from the participants in those events. Some who are still alive and remember.

              ===
              and? link, ....
              1. The leader of the Redskins
                21 July 2021 16: 05
                0
                Do you ask for a link to all articles? Or is it only my sources of information that require careful study?
                1. Victorio
                  Victorio 21 July 2021 16: 06
                  -3
                  Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                  Do you ask for a link to all articles? Or is it only my sources of information that require careful study?

                  ===
                  understandably, they lied
                  1. The leader of the Redskins
                    21 July 2021 16: 08
                    0
                    https://major-colville.livejournal.com/44179.html
                    By the way, I looked - the last thirty comments you did not ask such questions.
                    Yes, do not forget to apologize later, for the "lied".
                    1. Victorio
                      Victorio 21 July 2021 16: 14
                      0
                      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                      https://major-colville.livejournal.com/44179.html
                      By the way, I looked - the last thirty comments you did not ask such questions.
                      Yes, do not forget to apologize later, for the "lied".

                      ===
                      and where in the link / Here only it is applied to a dozen costumes by hand (that is still a headache for dressers) and, most likely, with bleach. /
                    2. The leader of the Redskins
                      21 July 2021 16: 41
                      0
                      This is OKZK-D in homemade camouflage, stylized under the most common two-color pattern at that time (birch, palm).

                      There the paratroopers are again dressed in OKZK-D, but much worse painted. If the picture in the film (with paint or bleach) is stylized as a real "birch"

                      Again you are not reading, but only asking?
                      I have to ask you. Do not write to me again and do not ask anything in my next articles. You can guess why?
                    3. Victorio
                      Victorio 21 July 2021 18: 18
                      0
                      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                      This is OKZK-D in homemade camouflage, stylized under the most common two-color pattern at that time (birch, palm).
                      There the paratroopers are again dressed in OKZK-D, but much worse painted. If the picture in the film (with paint or bleach) is stylized as a real "birch"


                      Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                      / That's just applied to a dozen costumes by hand (that's still a headache for dressers) and, most likely, with bleach. /

                      ===
                      ? well, yes, exactly the same. in their youth, they experimented with a neighboring high school student with bleach and T-shirts. I must say, it is very difficult to get the same result.
                      ? and secondly, at your request (ask - do not ask), I will try to restrain myself.
                      ps forgot the last one. I absolutely do not understand why it was necessary (if there was such a thing) to reinvent the wheel, if there was enough production camouflage, or it was possible to order a limited batch.
  • Artyom Karagodin
    Artyom Karagodin 20 July 2021 16: 25
    +15
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    a person who has not existed on the site for a year.

    Let's measure ourselves with the stars on the epaulettes under the photos laughing You might think that the length of stay at the HE is an indicator. Moreover, I registered at the end of last year, and I have been reading the local publications for a long time.

    However, you are right about the imprudence of the comment. I apologize for the excessive emotionality that, I see, hurt you. Wrong, what's already here ...

    However, I will ask a question in a different form: what is the point of publication? It would be okay to understand the bloopers or, for example, how much what is shown in the films corresponds or does not correspond to real combat training. In general, what did the author want to say? Just that the films use a uniform that is not authentic for the Soviet army?
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      20 July 2021 16: 45
      +4
      Well, then forgive my incontinence too.
      This form was exclusive. She was not shown anywhere else in this form, not filmed. There are still films about the Soviet army and paratroopers, in particular. But there - everything is according to the charter, everything is as it should be. But in these two - a little "tricked")))
      Kinolyapi is a fruitful and not grateful topic. They are found in any feature film. And in the Soviet - with a surplus. These are tanks, planes, trucks and much, much, much ...
      You know, in 1987, a classmate's mother bought a cooperative youth suit - an anorak jacket and trousers. Made of birch camouflage fabric. How we all envied him!
      because he was almost like they - heroes of films about our soldiers!
      1. Artyom Karagodin
        Artyom Karagodin 20 July 2021 17: 07
        +1
        This form was exclusive. She was not shown anywhere else in this form, not filmed.

        Then let me resort to criticism again: it was this idea that was not voiced in the publication, although in theory it should have been a red thread. In my opinion (although I work in the "district", but some kind of journalist) the topic is not fully disclosed. Give a title something like "Mosfilm exclusive in films about paratroopers", and in the first paragraph develop the idea that in the war films of the Soviet era you can find many inconsistencies, but there is something that even gets out of this row. And then - your text. And a completely different calico would come out. And about the classmate who bought the "birch", too, could be mentioned right in the text.

        But this is just my opinion. As a person 6 and a half years old (and another 4 years as an amateur) working closely with texts. It is not necessarily correct. In general, I will say the traditional excuse of the avant-garde artist: "I see it this way" laughing
      2. parusnik
        parusnik 20 July 2021 18: 18
        +8
        And in the Soviet - with a surplus. These are tanks, planes, trucks and much, much, much ...
        ... There was no need to throw stones. In the films of the 40s-60s, there were almost no blunders, there was enough technology then, in the 70s-80s, but there was a lack of grip, but there was no computer graphics yet ... the famous film of those years, "Dacha trip, Sergeant Tsybuli, a blooper on a blooper", but the film still looks today, despite the lack of wealth. Why? Great acting, not bad gags. And "Battalions are asking for fire"? There are also jambs and with weapons and uniforms enough, but again, the film is alive, you follow the fate of the heroes, you worry about them. This is not in modern cinema, filmed according to the principle: "We showed you the drama Bang-bang, the hunter and the hare, who is right , who is wrong, our credo is not verbosity, convention, convention "(c) Plus computer graphics
        1. The leader of the Redskins
          20 July 2021 18: 22
          0
          Sorry, but are we still talking about bloopers or switched to storylines and acting?)))
          The Soviet school of acting has not yet been canceled.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 20 July 2021 18: 36
            +4
            And this is not separable. Why didn't the kamenyuk be thrown into the film "Old Men Are Coming into Battle"? They fly on the Yak-18, not on the La-5
            And in the Soviet - with a surplus. These are tanks, planes, trucks and much, much, much ...
            No, in this film, Soviet, La-5, the film is nonsense, Soviet, is not that Devyatayev? Yes?
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              20 July 2021 18: 39
              +1
              Twist. I did not write that the films are bad and did not throw a stone. I just noted that there are a lot of bloopers (they were forced then) in Soviet cinema. And you, for some reason, ascribe to me "anti-Sovietism" laughing
              By the way, La - 5, if I'm not mistaken, is present in "Old Men Go to Battle". But in the newsreel.
              PS Not all early Soviet films had authentic technique. In the same "Ballad of a Soldier", remember the German tank at the beginning of the movie?
              1. parusnik
                parusnik 20 July 2021 18: 47
                0
                laughing And I explained to you why laughing Colleague, watch "Tanks" and enjoy the authenticity laughing hi and other films, there are no blunders, not like the Soviet ones. laughing Get aesthetic pleasure laughing And I'm not an investigator to sew something for you. laughing Good luck, creative success. hi laughing
              2. Normal ok
                Normal ok 20 July 2021 19: 42
                +4
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Twist. I did not write that the films are bad and did not throw a stone. I just noted that there are a lot of bloopers (they were forced then) in Soviet cinema. And you, for some reason, ascribe to me "anti-Sovietism" laughing
                By the way, La - 5, if I'm not mistaken, is present in "Old Men Go to Battle". But in the newsreel.
                PS Not all early Soviet films had authentic technique. In the same "Ballad of a Soldier", remember the German tank at the beginning of the movie?

                "In the zone of special attention" was the first Soviet film, where a counterintelligence officer said: "during the war, I would have got you talking." Sort of. Then I just went nuts from frankness.
                1. Paranoid50
                  Paranoid50 22 July 2021 12: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Normal ok
                  Then I just went nuts from frankness.

                  belay Why would it suddenly? I mean, I first saw this film at the age of about seven years (1980), and it was this phrase that was taken quite naturally, at least for my age. Everything is logical: teachings are "pretend", war is serious. Or should a Soviet counterintelligence agent conduct intimate conversations with an enemy saboteur over tea and cigarettes? Moreover, if we are talking about "express interrogation". request
              3. Model101
                Model101 21 July 2021 14: 52
                -3
                At first glancing at the article for 5 minutes and closing it for a long time I thought what was the point ... so at first I read the nickname as "the leader of the red-asses" all day I went and thought and now I saw it correctly and everything fell into place ... wassat
            2. Serg koma
              Serg koma 21 July 2021 06: 40
              +2
              Quote: parusnik
              why didn't they throw the stone

              Sorry, but I will side with the author.
              But here lucky - there was a dilogy "In the zone of special attention" and "Return move". And I remembered one a question that got stuck in childhood as an annoying splinter: what kind of camouflage was on the scout paratroopers in the second film?

              The author answered the question - whose form, according to his assumption. As a child, I wanted camouflage, I wanted to be at least partially similar to my heroes from the film ...
              If you knew - honor and praise to you, but I did not even ask this question recourse
              In no way the author did not diminish either the acting or the content of the dilogy. good
              Don't throw stones at the author smile
        2. serg.shishkov2015
          serg.shishkov2015 21 July 2021 12: 38
          +4
          Totally agree with you! I watch old Soviet films with my soul and the bloopers remain * outside the brackets *. And the current cranberry is already a brain.
  • Catfish
    Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 25
    +8
    Hi Igor hi and thanks for the article. good
    "The Zone" is one of the most beloved films, then we were all a bit stunned by the unprecedented shape, and at the same time we were glad that finally our guys were dressed "humanly", because the uniform in SA was, frankly, " Not really". I was still lucky, I found the gymnasts, and then the infantry was generally dressed by the devils - a construction battalion in one word.
    A good start and, probably, it makes sense to continue to continue somehow in this spirit. drinks
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 21 July 2021 11: 41
      +3
      Kostya, I completely agree. The dilogy was filmed professionally and it was really accepted to watch.
      When I first watched "The Zone". The first thing I thought: the landing troops have camouflage for envy, the "queen of the fields" is worse.
      As for the tunic, I agree: it looks better and is more practical. I also found "front-line" tunics. An old man lived in the village, he always walked in a gymnast, which was washed out to the chapel, in his childhood he thought: there is no money to buy a shirt?
      Later I learned that he had it since the spring of 1944.
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 20 July 2021 19: 39
    0
    I don’t want to show myself the photo I don’t throw off ((but wore at least three types of uniforms (80-90). By the way, it was very exotic, camouflage-mesh, with a hood. Who knows. Why such a thing?))
    1. Tamer
      Tamer 22 July 2021 11: 48
      +1
      KZS - protective mesh suit
  • Normal ok
    Normal ok 20 July 2021 20: 06
    +1
    thank you for the article! above / below I already printed that I had a chance to put on camouflage of a mesh structure of fabric in artillery reconnaissance, with a cape on the face (lower density of the fabric on the face, you can see through the fabric).
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 22 July 2021 05: 57
      0
      I would have seen it as a ruler in the 14th.
      "Ilyukh, what a SKS - I saw him only at the parade. What, were you crawling with him? !!!"
  • TANKISTONE
    TANKISTONE 23 July 2021 10: 06
    0
    Chief of the Redskins (Nazarius)
    A deep remark about VO from a person who has not existed on the site for a year ...

    What, hazing on the site? And a fresh, not "blurry" look has no right to live? Or - the "correct" opinion is the opinion of the "elite" ??? PS: Admins and minus players, hey me!
  • Alien From
    Alien From 20 July 2021 15: 22
    +5
    Don't get excited) there are a lot of serious topics! You can take part in aircraft carrier battles wassat The leader has diluted the content, he is observant!)))
  • credo
    credo 20 July 2021 15: 29
    +5
    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
    Damn, absolutely the authors on "VO" have written up ... After reading, I want to ask just one question: "So what?". Although no, even like this: "So what?"

    Well, what can I say to Igor Maleev, except that these are FINE films, not documentaries, and the director is not obliged to strictly observe all the details of army life and uniforms.

    I also have an old acquaintance who, in his youth, loved to take apart films into bones, atoms and molecules, but over the years this has passed, so let's hope that Igor Maleev will pass it.

    And I, and most of the boys in the USSR, really liked the films listed above, and this is their main advantage.
  • Silver bullet
    Silver bullet 20 July 2021 15: 37
    -9
    Artyom Karagodin
    The author wanted to fall and push up like a paratrooper or marine, but it turned out to bend over and fart soldier
  • Terenin
    Terenin 20 July 2021 17: 26
    +6
    Quote: Artyom Karagodin
    After reading, I want to ask just one question: "So what?". Although no, even like this: "So what?"

    Can you suggest anything yourself?
    By the way, the movies are good good
  • Woodman
    Woodman 20 July 2021 15: 17
    +11
    there was a dilogy "In the zone of special attention" and "Return move".
    Good films. It is a pity that only a small number of such films were filmed in the Union.
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    2. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 16: 40
      +1
      Quote: Lesovik
      Good films. It is a pity that only a small number of such films were filmed in the Union.

      At that time, Americans of this level and with such an involvement of the army of films are not much more, "Green Berets" and everything else, either later, either anti-war, or wretched like "Rimbaud" We also have "Solo Voyage" though not so pretentious.
      1. The leader of the Redskins
        20 July 2021 16: 58
        +8
        You can add "Case in the square 36 - 80" and the "Order" that came out a little later.
      2. Avior
        Avior 20 July 2021 16: 59
        +5
        Case in square 36-80 yet.
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 20 July 2021 17: 18
          +3
          Quote: Avior
          Case Squared 36-80

          This is a film about naval aviation, but just great!
      3. Alf
        Alf 20 July 2021 19: 12
        +9
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        wretched type "Rambo"

        Rambo's first film is excellent both in plot and in subtext. But the continuation ... negative
        1. Normal ok
          Normal ok 20 July 2021 20: 11
          +2
          Quote: Alf
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          wretched type "Rambo"

          Rambo's first film is excellent both in plot and in subtext. But the continuation ... negative

          A book about PTSD, many have passed it. And, continued in the films, - anti-Soviet.
          1. Alf
            Alf 20 July 2021 20: 20
            +3
            Quote: Normal ok
            And, continued in the films, - anti-Soviet.

            Gluttonous and fraudulent.
        2. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 21 July 2021 03: 11
          +1
          Quote: Alf
          The first Rambo film is excellent both in plot and in subtext

          A normal film, no more, but this is taste, more importantly, it is not even close to an army action movie.
          1. Alf
            Alf 21 July 2021 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: Vladimir_2U
            Quote: Alf
            The first Rambo film is excellent both in plot and in subtext

            A normal film, no more, but this is taste, more importantly, it is not even close to an army action movie.

            Sam Peckinpah, who directed Rimbaud, said the film signals the problem of soldiers returning from Vietnam, that they were feared and misunderstood. Very often voices sounded - "we did not send you there."
        3. vladcub
          vladcub 21 July 2021 11: 47
          0
          Rambo2 and further, some not believable fiction.
          PS. Looks like Rambo2 came after: "zone"? '
  • Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 20 July 2021 15: 18
    +8
    AND? What's wrong? grenades of the wrong system? By the way, these films are from the area when you don't pay attention to absurdities, bloopers. Both films, dynamic, lively in each hero's character, they believe them alive. Not like now. "And does the baron's horse drink or does not drink .. "(from)
  • Vadim Ananyin
    Vadim Ananyin 20 July 2021 15: 23
    +8
    The film is good, the first and second in childhood I watched this and grew up.
    A camouflage now can not be found much either by painting or by execution.
    I didn't see Polish, I saw German (GDR), I saw NATO.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 20 July 2021 15: 45
    +4
    Let's better discuss last year's snow, it will be more interesting. lol
    1. Thrifty
      Thrifty 20 July 2021 16: 34
      +1
      Ros56, I propose to discuss the year before last year's hail lol! Start lol
  • faterdom
    faterdom 20 July 2021 15: 46
    +11
    Of those films that have produced indelible ...
    When you go out, you understand that you have to go to the army, train a lot and prepare to beat the enemy. No options and self-digging.
    That means we hit the mark, and that means the work of the costume designers too.
  • out of habit
    out of habit 20 July 2021 15: 46
    +2
    I have one in one overalls from the last photo.
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 20 July 2021 16: 18
    +6
    Cool films. But my absolute favorite is Solo Swimming
    1. sifgame
      sifgame 20 July 2021 17: 13
      +3
      Project Alpha, Listening in the compartments means you'll like it too
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 20 July 2021 18: 28
        +2
        Good films ... they don't shoot like that anymore
  • aleks neym_2
    aleks neym_2 20 July 2021 16: 22
    +3
    In fact, for the Airborne Forces, cinematic camouflage is a PARADISE FORM, and in what they make their "labor" trips, it does not look like a movie ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 20 July 2021 16: 30
    +15
    A good film "In the Special Spotlight". It was shot brightly and beautifully, the heroes are completely "living" people, characteristic performers. Time flew by ... Boris Galkin 74, Mikhail Volontir and Anatoly Kuznetsov are no longer with us ...
    Once upon a time, back in Soviet times, I visited one of the picturesque filming locations. Remember the ruins of the fort where the filmmakers placed the fake RFQ? In life, this historical place is the Koven Fortress (Kaunas).
    Warehouses and other economic services of several military units were located on the territory. It looked absolutely creepy. The object was not monitored, it was brought to a neglected state, a garbage dump. Some grabber dismantled the facades of the former barracks buildings into bricks and sold them.
    Before the war, there was a transit prison for the NKVD. Then, the Nazis kept a prisoner of war camp there, in the territory of several forts they carried out mass executions of Jews ...
    I do not know what is there now, but this is a real historical object, a clear memorial and monument to the history of fortification.
  • nnm
    nnm 20 July 2021 16: 30
    +12
    I don't understand why the author was attacked ...
    Quite an interesting article, I never paid attention to such nuances when viewing.
    Nowhere does it say that this made the film bad. On the contrary, unexpected details are simply revealed.
    And they sat down on the author as if he had directed the film "2".
    How to discuss hairstyles in the US Army, so happy, or the diet of the Ukrainian army ...
    You might think that each of the commentators wrote a couple of articles and now, because of this article, their materials cannot come out.
    Quite a normal article for a profile site. Thanks to the author for a glimpse of previously unnoticed nuances in your favorite films.
  • north 2
    north 2 20 July 2021 16: 32
    +1
    Quote: Leader of the Redskins
    A deep remark about VO from a person who has not existed on the site for a year.
    The rest of the commentators, already traditionally, thank you for the thoughts left and judicious reviews.

    you obviously woke up army hazing. I explain. That person, specifically Artyom Karagodin, who did not exist on the site for a year, received an average of 82 points for each of his comments, and you, who have existed on the site for four whole years, received an average of only 19 points for each of your comments. So you are not in the barracks here and do not brag about your experience ...
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 20 July 2021 16: 48
      +2
      Let me be curious - for participating in the discussions, what topics are "raining" plus points? News? Opinion or maybe History?
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 21 July 2021 11: 55
        +1
        Significant remark
    2. The leader of the Redskins
      20 July 2021 16: 51
      +7
      And I don't brag about my years. I've had both "ups" and "downs" here. You counted the points ... It is gratifying. And if you measure in publications, then I have 27 times more. Now what?
      PS Yes! And with my number of "personal" minusers, I cannot achieve such heights in terms of points - even if I wish EVERYONE a good day and good health, there are still individuals who will stick on me minuses.)))
      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 20 July 2021 20: 15
        +2
        Igor, you are aware of how politicized everything is. Therefore, the disadvantages. Not for the article, but for the name ((
    3. Alien From
      Alien From 21 July 2021 02: 57
      0
      And you don't know a lot (about ratings) wink
  • A_Lex
    A_Lex 20 July 2021 17: 06
    +4
    I looked at the photograph and thought by chance that in the USSR the uniform, not only the military one, was quite simple. No frills. Some so generally you can say ugly. The main value of this form was that it did not overshadow the content. As if an ordinary person put on such a uniform and it is clearly not the main thing here. And today the opposite is true. The shape is okay, bright, effectively emphasizing the figure, with various gimmicks and other fintiflyushechki. This is where the form catches the eye. And you understand that a person in this form is no longer a person at all, but a cog, a set of special functions. Because the form is like the imprint of the system, and the system obliges. This is how the Nazis had a beautiful, elegant uniform with a deep black color. In this form, a person no longer looks ordinary, no, he is a special person. And the simple human is alien to him, because the main thing from a special person is to give out the functional that the form requires from him.

    I now think that a form that is not even beautiful, but one in which a person resembles some kind of artificial object, like a robot, is bad. I remember Star Wars. Imperial stormtroopers are all in the same form in which they look like robots. Not to mention Darth Vader with his mask. And they are all bad. And the rebels - they just don't have a special form and they don't look like robots, ordinary people, well, of course, with the exception of this furry assistant Han Solo.

    Or take Soviet films about the war. There, Soviet fighters, too, are not particularly spectacular and helmets are practically not found. And the Nazis, on the contrary. All neatly dressed, buttons buttoned tightly, walk in a dignified line, one like the other, like robots ...

    Something like that I thought that I do not like special people. Because special people are no longer people.
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 05
      +4
      This is where the form catches the eye. And you understand that a person in this form is no longer a person at all, but a cog, a set of special functions. Because the form is like the imprint of the system, and the system obliges. This is how the Nazis had a beautiful, elegant uniform with a deep black color. In this form, a person no longer looks ordinary, no, he is a special person. And the simple human is alien to him, because the main thing from a special person is to give out the functional that the form requires from him.


      These poor guys could not even imagine that they are all completely "special people", whom some of their descendants do not like precisely because they are "special". request



      1. Normal ok
        Normal ok 20 July 2021 20: 17
        +4
        Quote: Sea Cat
        This is where the form catches the eye. And you understand that a person in this form is no longer a person at all, but a cog, a set of special functions. Because the form is like the imprint of the system, and the system obliges. This is how the Nazis had a beautiful, elegant uniform with a deep black color. In this form, a person no longer looks ordinary, no, he is a special person. And the simple human is alien to him, because the main thing from a special person is to give out the functional that the form requires from him.


        These poor guys could not even imagine that they are all completely "special people", whom some of their descendants do not like precisely because they are "special". request




        Cat, thank you) I myself was planning to post a thread like that))
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 20 July 2021 20: 20
          +3
          Glad you liked it, thanks for rating. smile drinks
      2. A_Lex
        A_Lex 20 July 2021 20: 56
        +3
        Quote: Sea Cat
        These poor guys could not even imagine that they are all completely "special people", whom some of their descendants do not like precisely because they are "special".


        Of course special. Count your career for life. And the main thing for them is the order. Anyone at that. And here is a double-edged sword. If they order to attack the French enemy, they will attack. And they will become heroes. If they order their own people to chop with checkers, they will chop them down. And they will become punitive, in contrast, for example, from Alpha, which at one time refused to storm the White House on a criminal order, for which they then took revenge on her. I don't like special people precisely for this - because their action is ahead of thought, which often turns them into an obedient toolbox.
        1. Catfish
          Catfish 20 July 2021 21: 20
          +2
          And the main thing for them is the order

          No matter what servicemen wear, the main thing for them is always the order, this is an axiom.
          As for "Alpha", then God is their judge, history has no subjunctive mood, but now we have what we have. If you are satisfied with the current situation in the country, then we have nothing to talk about.
          ... that they have action ahead of thought, which often makes them an obedient toolbox.

          And the army is an instrument, not a scientific symposium.
          1. A_Lex
            A_Lex 20 July 2021 22: 05
            +1
            Quote: Sea Cat
            And the main thing for them is the order


            But not an axiom, but an established practice, which in the future will have to be broken in order to force everyone to think with their own head in every situation. Otherwise, individual scum will continue to pull thousands by the strings with our own hands, worsening our life with you, so that individual scum will live comfortably and freely.

            And as for the performance with the State Emergency Committee, this is the end of history, when at first they massively applauded Brezhnev, then they enthusiastically applauded Gorbachev in the hope that he knew the big giraffe better, and as a result, he was applauded to the handle. They were applauded to the point that the party activists in August 91 were waiting for a command that never came, and hundreds of thousands of well-trained instrumental asses sat decorously and did nothing, because no order had been received from above.

            To make it clear. I have no complaints about my ancestors. Each of them in his place at one time, as a rule, did everything that was possible within the framework of the job description and, so to speak, the work ethic inherent in that time. But the charter in the Army is always written after the fact, analyzing the reasons for the mistakes that occurred earlier. And unmistakable ancestors are nonsense. This does not happen. So adjustments are inevitable.
            1. Catfish
              Catfish 21 July 2021 00: 01
              +3
              In fact, I completely agree with you, but I have absolutely no idea how a multimillion army will function, where each soldier will think about the task in the pose of a "Thinker", and one devil knows what he will think of.
              Remember the centipede story? As soon as she thought for a second, how she manages to rearrange her legs so smoothly and accurately, as at the same moment she could no longer take a step - she got entangled in her own legs. request
              1. Alexey RA
                Alexey RA 21 July 2021 13: 23
                +1
                Quote: Sea Cat
                In fact, I completely agree with you, but I have absolutely no idea how a multimillion army will function, where each soldier will think about the task in the pose of a "Thinker", and one devil knows what he will think of.

                See army of the Russian Republic in February-October 1917.
    2. Alf
      Alf 20 July 2021 19: 15
      +8
      Quote: A_Lex
      The main value of this form was that it did not overshadow the content.

      In Singles, the cap speaks the masterpiece phrase - Our form is to face everyone, there would be content. good
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 18
        +6
        There is no other way to say about the naval uniform. smile good
        1. Alf
          Alf 20 July 2021 19: 19
          +5
          Quote: Sea Cat
          There is no other way to say about the naval uniform. smile good

          You can't argue against facts. Good evening !
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 29
            +5
            Good evening, Vasily! hi
            In my youth, because of the vest, the peakless cap and the sea romance, I always dreamed of serving in the navy, but ended up in the tank and wore a dark blue overalls, but I was not particularly sad, because three years in the army is not four in the navy. drinks
            1. Alf
              Alf 20 July 2021 19: 31
              +5
              Quote: Sea Cat
              but got into the tank and wore a dark blue jumpsuit, but was not particularly sad,

              Especially when you realize that you can direct forty tons of armor and overwhelming power with one hand.
              1. Catfish
                Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 43
                +6
                Yes, we skated on the principle - "let the road take care of itself." laughing
                1. Alf
                  Alf 20 July 2021 19: 45
                  +5
                  Quote: Sea Cat
                  Yes, we skated on the principle - "let the road take care of itself." laughing

                  1. Catfish
                    Catfish 20 July 2021 19: 55
                    +7
                    That's what the Germans are in the 41st baldel - on the captured Soviet maps, normal roads are marked, but in nature - "two carts have passed." laughing
                    1. Alf
                      Alf 20 July 2021 20: 03
                      +3
                      Quote: Sea Cat
                      That's what the Germans are in the 41st baldel - on the captured Soviet maps, normal roads are marked, but in nature - "two carts have passed." laughing

                      It was the strategic idea of ​​our command to make the invaders drown themselves. laughing And then we will finish off the survivors.
                      1. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 July 2021 20: 18
                        +3
                        Our post-war maps for general use were quite different from the military, but with the advent of satellites, this lost any meaning.
                      2. Alf
                        Alf 20 July 2021 20: 22
                        +4
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Our post-war maps for general use were quite different from the military, but with the advent of satellites, this lost any meaning.

                        Wah, how wrong you are, dear! Once, on the Main Road, Fedortsov stands on the lawn between the roads and shows a picture on the navigator with the words - A through road is indicated here. request
                      3. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 July 2021 20: 24
                        +3
                        Was the navigator Chinese? laughing
                      4. Alf
                        Alf 20 July 2021 20: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        Was the navigator Chinese? laughing

                        Have you seen another? And what's the difference, Chinese, Japanese or Madagascar-Sudanese, there is only one source of maps.
                      5. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 July 2021 21: 21
                        +3
                        I can do without him at all, as I prefer to walk like Comrade Sukhov. smile
                      6. Alf
                        Alf 20 July 2021 21: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Sea Cat
                        I can do without him at all, as I prefer to walk like Comrade Sukhov. smile

                        Aki Moses? laughing
                      7. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 July 2021 21: 41
                        +3
                        Moses had his own problems. laughing
                      8. hohol95
                        hohol95 20 July 2021 22: 22
                        +3
                        And Moses sentenced leading 40 years of Jews in the desert - So nobody saw my 40 shekkels ??? drinks Kvaska?
                      9. Catfish
                        Catfish 20 July 2021 23: 24
                        +2
                        So they wandered until Moses found his lost compass. laughing drinks
                      10. hohol95
                        hohol95 21 July 2021 05: 22
                        +2
                        And even with a compass, he led his "tribe" to a place where there is no oil and problems with water!
                      11. Alf
                        Alf 21 July 2021 21: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: hohol95
                        And even with a compass, he led his "tribe" to a place where there is no oil and problems with water!

                        It was forty years to walk through the most oil-bearing region of the world and come to a place where there was no smell of oil ...
  • Korsar4
    Korsar4 21 July 2021 00: 09
    +3
    "Dry your tears, rest a little, I am a Russian road
    Go away, and I will cover you, with mud and water ”(c).
    1. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2021 00: 23
      +3
      "And time is not a problem,
      Well, while you are alive -
      Before you lies
      The road to nowhere. "(C)
    2. Korsar4
      Korsar4 21 July 2021 00: 27
      +2
      “The road without end,
      A road without beginning or end.
      Whistle like a bird
      And don't expect a reward ”(c).
    3. Catfish
      Catfish 21 July 2021 00: 34
      +3
      "Migratory birds are flying
      In the autumn distance blue "(c)
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 22 July 2021 17: 37
    +1
    Quote: Alf
    Quote: A_Lex
    The main value of this form was that it did not overshadow the content.

    In Singles, the cap speaks the masterpiece phrase - Our form is to face everyone, there would be content. good

    Look shirsh - in the Soviet Union even the song was like a military uniform for men! And it doesn't matter whether it is sea, flight, or whatever.
  • 22 dmdc
    22 dmdc 20 July 2021 17: 09
    +8
    In November 1979, he was at a creative meeting with the actors and the film crew of this film at the officers' house of the Osterskaya Uchebka (Desna training tank division). He was young, stupid and only asked the question of how many km they ran the marches during filming and whether it was hard for them in the shoes of the paratroopers. And about the "skin" itself - the lump did not ask. The people gave, the people laugh.
  • bandabas
    bandabas 20 July 2021 17: 29
    +2
    Cool. Almost half a century passed and an article appeared. Let the author look at the Soviet "Three Musketeers" and give out an article about that uniform.
    1. Avior
      Avior 20 July 2021 17: 47
      +5
      There is still a duel on the graves in the Armenian cemetery
      And again the horses are not the same

      smile
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 20 July 2021 20: 13
        +2
        But the movie turned out great. Like many who filmed in the USSR.
  • Avior
    Avior 20 July 2021 17: 30
    +5
    Thanks to the author, an interesting and efficient article, an unexpected look at a well-known film.
    Illustrates the difference between life and cinema.
    And Margelov, who insisted that the blue berets remain in the frame, of course, understood the difference between cinema and real life, and the filmmakers had the problem of choosing a uniform for the berets and the usual ideas of ordinary people about the uniform of paratroopers, so that it was both spectacular and not a parade in the frame was, to the laughter of serving, of whom there were the majority then, so I had to bypass the problem.
    In the film, there were other conventions, such as a microphone with a tangent as a radio beacon, but this did not make the film worse.
    And the R-126 of paratroopers with fantastic capabilities - they contacted the police, and listened to music and used it to communicate with the command, despite the fact that the range of the phone when working on the pin of the R-126 is 2 km.
    So what? The film still turned out to be spectacular and exciting, my generation grew up on it. After all, this is not a documentary about the Airborne Forces and not a historical one, where the accuracy of the little things is the most important element.
    The film is about something else, and it hit many people then.
    Not to mention catch phrases

    :)
  • Owl
    Owl 20 July 2021 19: 28
    +1
    In the "Zone of Special Attention" - a KLMK scout suit.
  • Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 20 July 2021 19: 58
    +3
    Coloring of camouflage "Birch" in the border troops, military intelligence and special forces has always been!
    Until the end of the 70s, the “Birch” pattern was mainly used for summer camouflage overalls KLMK, worn over the main uniform. The texture of the picture as a whole has always remained unchanged throughout the time interval from the 60s to the 90s, but the color scheme has been walking a little. The background color changed from persistent green to light green shades, and the color of gray spots changed from white to pink.
    It has been known since the Second World War as the "Silver Leaf" color scheme.
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      20 July 2021 20: 47
      -1
      They are similar but not identical.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 20 July 2021 20: 53
        +1
        I see no reason to even comment!
  • mister-red
    mister-red 20 July 2021 22: 22
    +3
    I served in the Marine Corps 80-84, I was in camouflage, but I don’t remember which pattern I wanted to kill.
    And yes, I have never seen any covers on helmets. The helmets are ordinary green, on the left side the anchor is drawn. At the Baltic Fleet, helmets were black
    1. The leader of the Redskins
      20 July 2021 23: 02
      0
      A boy came to our school in 1993 from the troops to do it, so we walked together to see his uniform. No, with the sewing and the shape of the spots ("oak") everything was clear there. Standard. But the color scheme ... Dawn in Africa and fire in the jungle were resting! A wild mixture of pink, yellow and some kind of gray - gray shades!
      We asked him directly in what area their part was going to fight. He laughed and shrugged.
      I understand that they screwed up the paints at the weaving factory, but where did the military acceptance look? !!)))
  • forget3-8
    forget3-8 20 July 2021 22: 57
    -1
    Well, there is such a category of people: they would only "blow" into a puddle. Why all this verbiage? "Honduras" itching?
  • ycuce234-san
    ycuce234-san 20 July 2021 23: 07
    +2
    But they were clearly guided by the imported "lump" that came to the USSR, most likely from Angola.


    Rather, dressers were guided by imported photographic materials - Angola was fully covered in the Western media, the press, and their materials ended up in the USSR, in the archives and photocinema funds.
    Here is something similar https://sibnarkomat.livejournal.com/9134841.html
    Well, the Polish roots of Angolan lumps lie in the dreamy colonialism of Poles in relation to Angolans.
    http://www.musicforums.ru/kurilka/1316341746.html
    Therefore, the Polish uniform in Africa is not a blooper, but an ironic "Easter egg" and a fine knowledge of the history of this issue by costume designers - they have Polish plantation demonstrations that took place before their eyes in childhood and adolescence and were reflected in the media of that time; the availability of accurate and abundant photo and film materials, somewhere in archives and funds.
  • AsmyppoL
    AsmyppoL 21 July 2021 04: 24
    +3
    I read the article with great interest.
    Many thanks to the author!
    When the film came out, we skipped one day at school as a group to get into the 10 hour show. Later it was not possible to get in.
  • 1536
    1536 21 July 2021 10: 47
    +1
    It remains to discuss the camouflage of the army of whose country was on Slay in the movie "Rambo-3"? It is unlikely that even Hollywood will talk about it.
    After serving in the SA, for me, almost all films about our and imported armies became fairy tales, in which, as they say, a fairy tale quickly affects itself, but it takes a long time to get done. But you always want to look at yourself from the outside, compare with the on-screen characters and draw conclusions. So films about the army are very much needed.
    As for the film "In the Zone of Special Attention", one of the first scenes, when an old-time warrant officer was summoned "for help", and upon arrival at the airfield, he appears as follows: "Comrade Colonel, Warrant Officer Valentyr, at your order, appeared (!)", much can be said about" what is happening "in the film further. It is well known in our army who" is ", why and why. A senior, especially a warrant officer, will never be able to say this in reality, he does not even have this in his thoughts, And this could not be ignored by the cinematographers. Then why is this big scene at the airfield? And a lot more. There is nothing to say about the second part of the film.
    Around the same time, the movie Solo Voyage was released. In terms of propaganda, it was filmed almost perfectly. No ridicule and banter. The only pity is that our main character at the end of the film is killed by the damned adversary, because there was no sequel.
    1. mister-red
      mister-red 22 July 2021 23: 49
      0
      Comrade Colonel, Warrant Officer Valentyr, at your order, has appeared

      Someone blinked, bloopers in films are commonplace. The fili you mentioned about Rambo so there is a blooper on a blooper and propaganda clichés. This is definitely a big top.
      Around the same time, the movie Solo Voyage was released. In terms of propaganda, it was filmed almost perfectly.

      There, the situation itself looks fantastic when someone captures a launcher anti-ship missile and independently makes a decision to destroy a superpower ship. The rest, of course, is quite on the level, I liked it. I watched it after serving in the MP.
      But the return move, the continuation of the film "In the Zone of Special Attention" became the trigger of the desire to serve in the MP, and surprisingly, I somehow succeeded
  • Kushka
    Kushka 21 July 2021 13: 11
    +2
    Quote: knn54
    Igor, why not create a cycle, for example, "kKinolyap" with a military bias.
    And the films are not necessarily domestic.

    The sailors are generally gloomy. Scenes of battles at sea
    filmmakers filmed in a basin with models and always in the dark.
    If you show combat work on the navigating bridge and negotiations
    with posts, get untranslatable gibberish - from ten words
    teams of nine will be from nautical specifics and just jargon.
    However, if you show even just everyday life in the cockpits, it will be
    same. For the form, methods of handling mechanisms and weapons
    and there is no need to say. In short, if the film is 1 hour, it's a 1-hour blooper.
  • DenVB
    DenVB 21 July 2021 19: 31
    0
    And for some reason, this is what I remember when I watch these films:
    In the late 1980s, in the wake of perestroika, Volontir became actively involved in the political life of his native Moldova, calling for independence, unification with Romania and liberation from the "Russian occupiers".
    1. Cowbra
      Cowbra 22 July 2021 05: 59
      0
      Sorry. Icon after all
    2. Doliva63
      Doliva63 22 July 2021 18: 13
      0
      Quote: DenVB
      And for some reason, this is what I remember when I watch these films:
      In the late 1980s, in the wake of perestroika, Volontir became actively involved in the political life of his native Moldova, calling for independence, unification with Romania and liberation from the "Russian occupiers".

      What's so surprising about that? He was never a Soviet reconnaissance paratrooper, he only played a role for which he was paid. And they probably paid more than the Soviet ensign. My father (he served in intelligence from 43 to 75) called all this tribe buffoons.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 24 July 2021 21: 47
        +1
        He died in poverty, forgotten by everyone. Not sorry. The role he played is wonderful though.
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 24 July 2021 21: 45
    0
    The riveter's scream at VO. Opensource projects There are no more topics left. Yearning...
  • Doliva63
    Doliva63 25 July 2021 17: 26
    0
    Quote: Mikhail3
    He died in poverty, forgotten by everyone. Not sorry. The role he played is wonderful though.

    I agree, perhaps.