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Belarusians presented a replacement for the Soviet armored personnel carrier. Volat V2 armored personnel carrier

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Belarusians presented a replacement for the Soviet armored personnel carrier. Volat V2 armored personnel carrier
BTR Volat V2, MZKT-690003, photo: milex.belexpo.by

Before the 10th International Exhibition of Arms and Military Equipment MILEX-2021, which took place in Minsk from June 23 to 26, only renders of the new Belarusian armored personnel carrier were available to the public. At the exhibition, a full-fledged debut of the novelty took place, which was first openly demonstrated to the general public.


In the future, the new Belarusian wheeled armored personnel carrier, called the Volat V2, will be able to replace all similar wheeled and tracked vehicles of Soviet production in the army of the Republic of Belarus. Belarusians consider the new product as a potential replacement for the numerous fleet of BMP-1, BMP-2, BTR-70, BTR-80. In addition, the creation of its own armored personnel carrier will allow Minsk to abandon purchases of the BTR-82A in Russia.

Modern wheeled armored personnel carrier from MZKT


The developer of the Belarusian novelty is the Minsk Wheel Tractor Plant (MZKT), well-known in Russia and in the world. For decades, the enterprise has specialized in the production of heavy-duty wheeled vehicles, including those for the armed forces. Today the military and civilian products of the company are produced under its own trade mark Volat (“Volat” in translation from the Belarusian language: giant, bogatyr).

The fact that MZKT specialists developed the first in stories The Republic of Belarus has its own armored personnel carrier, it became known only at the beginning of June 2021. Initially, in addition to the message about the creation of a domestic armored personnel carrier with a wheel formula 8x8, the Belarusian company published only renders of a new armored vehicle. At the same time, on June 23, the novelty was demonstrated at the MILEX-2021 exhibition.

It is worth noting that the MZKT company already had experience in creating wheeled armored vehicles. The company's product range includes a family of light armored vehicles MZKT-490100, built on a universal chassis with a 4x4 wheel arrangement. This armored car received the designation Volat V1.

BTR Volat V2, MZKT-690003, photo: milex.belexpo.by

The prototype of the Volat V1 armored car was created in 2016. The armored vehicle turned out to be quite large and dimensional. The gross vehicle weight was 12 kg. Number of seats - 000 + 2. It is known that so far only Belarusian customers are showing interest in this MZKT development. In the Republic of Belarus, the armored car is in service with the internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, border guards and special operations forces.

The next logical step for the MZKT engineers was the creation of a full-fledged wheeled armored personnel carrier with an 8x8 wheel arrangement. The novelty is quite large in size and outwardly resembles most of the modern representatives of its class. The Volat V2 armored personnel carrier traces the features of the European MOWAG Piranha armored personnel carriers, the American Stryker and the new Russian armored personnel carriers built on the Boomerang wheeled platform.

What is known about the Volat V2 armored personnel carrier


The new Belarusian armored personnel carrier Volat V2 received the factory index MZKT-690003. The main purpose of the novelty is the transportation of personnel to the place of the combat mission, fire support of the infantry in combat conditions, the protection of the landing force from small arms fire. weaponsas well as explosives. In addition, the Volat V2 armored personnel carrier can be used to destroy enemy infantry and anti-tank weapons, lightly armored vehicles, and low-speed air targets.

The armored personnel carrier received a modern set of on-board systems and equipment: its own CIUS; central autonomous tire pressure regulation system, which is controlled from the driver's seat; fire extinguishing system; smoke exhaust system; video review system and filter ventilation unit.

It is also known that the armored personnel carrier received wheels with tubeless tires of dimension 14.00R20. A distinctive feature of the wheels of the Belarusian armored personnel carrier is the Run-Flat system - radial deformation limiters. This system allows the armored personnel carrier to move even on flat tires (for example, in case of combat damage) on paved roads at speeds up to 20 km / h.

In addition, an electric self-recovery winch with a traction force of 10 tons is installed on the armored personnel carrier. With the use of a chain hoist, the traction force of the installed winch increases to 20 tons.

BTR Volat V2, MZKT-690003, photo: milex.belexpo.by

An interesting feature of the novelty is the presence of a separate diesel generator set on board. Its presence provides the armored vehicle with a relatively high level of autonomy. In particular, the Volat V2 armored personnel carrier remains fully operational, remaining in ambush for a long time with the main engine muted. Also, this diesel generator set allows the armored personnel carrier to maintain partial combat capability in the event of a technical failure or combat damage to the main power plant.

The main power plant is a Chinese WP13.550 inline six-cylinder diesel engine with an output of 550 hp. from. The production of these engines has been established in the Republic of Belarus at the MAZ-Veychay joint venture on the territory of the Great Stone industrial park. The power of the diesel engine, which works in conjunction with a six-speed automatic gearbox manufactured by MZKT, is enough to provide a 20-ton combat vehicle with a maximum highway speed of up to 110 km / h, and a floating speed of 10 km / h.

Unlike many samples of western armored personnel carriers, the Belarusian Volat V2 retains the ability to overcome water obstacles afloat. For this, the armored personnel carrier is equipped with water cannons and a wave reflector. This allows the combat vehicle to force water obstacles, including right off the bat. Especially for these purposes, the armored personnel carrier received sensors for the water level indication system in the case and two powerful bilge pumps with a capacity of up to 180 liters per minute.

So far, nothing is known about the overall dimensions of the novelty. Visually, the length of the armored personnel carrier is comparable to numerous analogues and, most likely, is in the region of 8 meters. At the same time, the clearance of a combat vehicle is known - 520 mm. Operation of the Volat V2 armored personnel carrier is possible at ambient temperatures from -40 to +40 degrees Celsius.

The layout and armament of the Volat V2 armored personnel carrier


The Volat V2 armored personnel carrier received an all-welded armored hull. The level of ballistic protection is Br4, mine protection is STANAG 4569 level 2a / 2b. The declared level of ballistic protection provides protection only against automatic bullets of 5,45x39 and 7,62x39 mm caliber with a heat-strengthened steel core.

BTR Volat V2, MZKT-690003, photo: volatdefence.com

Mine protection allows the detonation of a high-explosive anti-tank mine (explosive mass up to 6 kg) under the wheel or bottom of the combat vehicle. Obviously, the level of booking can be increased based on the wishes of the customer. True, this will lead to an increase in the combat mass of the vehicle and, possibly, to a loss of buoyancy.

To protect the crew and troops from the consequences of being blown up by mines or improvised explosive devices, energy-absorbing seats and a suspended floor are specially installed in the armored personnel carrier. These technical solutions should protect the fighters in the crew compartment from the impact of the shock wave, as well as from the ingress of debris.

The body of the Volat V2 armored personnel carrier consists of an engine compartment, system compartments and a habitable compartment. The inhabited compartment consists of three sections: control, combat and airborne. The troop compartment, like all modern armored personnel carriers, is located in the rear of the hull, it can accommodate 8 people. The troop compartment is equipped with a reclining ramp, which allows the soldiers to drop, both in the parking lot and while the combat vehicle is in motion. The crew of the armored personnel carrier consists of three people: the driver, gunner and commander.

The fighting compartment of the new Belarusian armored personnel carrier allows the installation of a standard combat module BMP-2. The armored personnel carrier, which was demonstrated at the exhibition in Minsk, was equipped with a BMP-2 tower, modernized by the Belarusian company Peleng. Earlier, for the modernization of the BMP-2, this company developed the "Rubezh-M" thermal imaging sight, which made it possible to increase the range and effectiveness of target recognition and simplify the work of the commander and gunner.

The composition of the armament remains the same and does not differ from that of the BMP-2. The vehicle shown at the exhibition was equipped with a turret with a 30-mm 2A42 automatic cannon with two-belt feed (the gun is stabilized in two planes) and a 7,62-mm PKT machine gun paired with it. Also on the tower there was a launcher for launching an ATGM.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 15 July 2021 05: 00
    -4
    Chinese diesel in-line six-cylinder engine WP13.550 with a capacity of 550 hp. from.
    Have you become friends? And if they quarrel ?!
    1. Torins
      Torins 15 July 2021 05: 58
      +11
      This is how it is produced in Belarus.
      1. Dante Alighieri
        Dante Alighieri 15 July 2021 07: 32
        -5
        I have no doubt about the capabilities of the Belarusian military-industrial complex, but personally, for me, the BTR-4MV1 will be more thoughtful and better. Still, the Syabram had to buy out (or better cooperate) the license for the production of these machines and show the Ukrainians a master class on how to really approach the production of military products.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 15 July 2021 19: 34
          +4
          In the future, a new Belarusian wheeled armored personnel carrier, dubbed Volat V2, will be able to replace all similar wheeled and tracked vehicles
          Already nonsense. tracked vehicles it is already difficult to imagine such a replacement. An amateur's article. Alas request
        2. ZaDedov
          ZaDedov 16 July 2021 11: 20
          0
          I support BTR-4MV1 smart car
          1. alch3mist
            alch3mist 18 July 2021 01: 01
            0
            Yeah, a kind of Abrams among the b'gonevichki. 25 tons, twice as heavy as Volat.
  2. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 15 July 2021 05: 31
    -16%
    Begin. Dimensions is a barn on wheels. Armor - but it is not. 7.62x51 will sew through this trough. I'm not talking about 12.7. Wono Floats. And who needs it? Perhaps the Marine Corps units. To disembark from ships. Interestingly, this plywood personal kerrier will go to the Belarusian marines? Floating armored personnel carriers / infantry fighting vehicles is a very narrow niche. USSR amphibious tanks in 1941 did not help, but the Wehrmacht somehow managed without them. Note that the United States and Britain landed in Normandy, and on Iwo Jima, as they did without floating armored personnel carriers, with the exception of those that were in the marines. Where will Belarus sell this veneermobile? Africa and the Middle East? MNDA, there "floating armored personnel carriers" are very necessary. A modern armored personnel carrier should not be too high, powerfully armed (30-60mm cannon + pturs + 1-2 machine guns, + large-caliber), moreover, such an armored personnel carrier should AS A MINIMUM withstand shelling of 20mm cannons in the frontal projection and 12.7mm machine guns in the side. This plywood personel carrier is a mass grave.
    1. Torins
      Torins 15 July 2021 06: 03
      +34
      ... USSR amphibious tanks in 1941 did not help
      This is not a tank. And the tasks of the tank should not be performed by the armored personnel carrier. Besides, have you been to Belarus? It is all covered with rivers, streams, lakes and swamps. The terrain is frankly anti-tank.
      1. Baron pardus
        Baron pardus 15 July 2021 19: 43
        -7
        A tank is a TANK, an armored personnel carrier is an armored personnel carrier, the task of an armored personnel carrier is to PROTECT its crew + troops. It is not obliged to withstand APDSFS hits from armored personnel carriers. But protection against 7.62x39 is nothing at all. You would also boast that they say "Mobile, but the armor will protect against the caliber 22LR" So "against 7.62x39" is considered "NO". From the word at all. I mean, this plywood mobile will be destroyed corny by guys with M14 and SVD. M240 is guaranteed to send the car to the next world along with the crew. That is, the level of protection of this ashtray is lower than the level of protection of the German half-track armored personnel carrier during the Great Patriotic War. Have arrived. LADONLITSO.

        You have a "river crossing" worn like fools with a written sack. For some reason, the US Armed Forces somehow do without floating armored personnel carriers, except for the marines. Germany, England too. In Europe, as we know, there are dofiga rivers. Not less than in Belarus. The floating armored personnel carrier is a narrow niche technique. For amphibious assault landing. In all other places there are engineering troops with ferries, Or even "amphibious kits". The lack of amphibious tanks did not stop the Wehrmacht in 1941. USSR amphibiousness of the BTR-60 and BMP in Afghanistan and Chechnya did not help. You can put 100 armored personnel carriers into the river with the landing "Maybe a couple will swim", or you can treat the opposite shore with aviation, a turntable and artillery so that there will be practically no resistance. Our M2 Bradleys were also created for the war in Europe (there are a lot of rivers, if anyone does not know), but then they decided to abandon amphibiousness in favor of ARMOR.

        For amateurs "amphibiousness is also protection". While your floating armored personnel carrier will cross the river, its mobility is 10 km / h at best. I mean, it's a piñata. It says "PLEASE, SHOOT ME" in glowing neon letters. By the way, there is no armor. And such a rattle is sent to the next world, together with the crew with the help of Barrett Light Fifty, even Ma Duce is not needed. "Already Gurgled." Or even M2010. 300 WIN MAG FMJ won't stand such a plywood shed. By the way, how will you install ERA on this plywood scraper? When detonation is an ERA, the armor will not last. By the way, in England, in 1940, when they were afraid of a German landing, they made "armored cars" with "armor" where stones lay between two steel sheets. By the way, such a shushpanzer could withstand both the 303 and 8mm Mauser, but the Belarusian remake did not. By the way, joke. It is not enough to swim across the river, you still need to scramble ashore, and for this you need either caterpillars or a gentle bank, and even a powerful motor.

        The minimum protection for the armored personnel carrier is, as the professor corrected me, STANAG 6: 30mm forehead and turret, 14.5 side. Well, against RPGs, both grilles and ERAs are installed. By the way, the Grids really helped our people in Iraq and Afghanistan on strikers. 115 hits, not a single penetration.

        And it is possible to disperse demonstrations in all sorts of Bantustans on the BTR152. Although, if the "peaceful demonstrators" put on a "cookie RPG" like the Irish had at one time (cookies were used there as a counterweight to the rocket), this plywood shed is a khan, along with the entire crew.

        That is, in terms of protection, we have something that is inferior to wheeled and half-tracked vehicles of the Second World War.

        All over the world, the prevailing idea is that the armored personnel carrier should withstand something more than 7.62x39 and 5.45x39. Only in Russia "own way", plywood "but floats". The Stryker, for example, even withstands RPG-7 (if the grill is installed 115 hits, not a single penetration), but this shushpan shed? If you install a "grate" on it, then it will immediately gurgle on the river bottom. To entertain the aquatic.
        1. Torins
          Torins 15 July 2021 22: 28
          +2
          Exhaled, calmed down? lol So far, the concept of the car has been presented, about the mounted armor and variations of the main armor, we essentially do not know anything until the Ministry of Defense makes a specific order, nothing is known wink
          1. Baron pardus
            Baron pardus 16 July 2021 01: 12
            -1
            It will not float with hinged armor. It will gurgle so that it is too expensive. In addition, given the eternal mess, the armored personnel carriers will be in one place, and the hinged armor in another. And to me, in general, to sneeze on what you will ride there. But I repeat. when the "New BTR" is inferior in protection, not only to the German half-track "coffin", not only to the American half-track M3, but also to the British shushpantsy with armor made of cobblestones, it only causes laughter.
            1. alch3mist
              alch3mist 18 July 2021 01: 14
              0
              "Maybe a couple will swim"

              And someone laughs at the illiterate use of the word "couple" exclusively in the accusative case ...
              1. Baron pardus
                Baron pardus 19 July 2021 17: 23
                -2
                Yeah, and even more amusing is the attempt at trolling at the level of a dumb teenage girl - if she cannot argue with an argument - it objects to grammar.
            2. Sergey Aleksandrovich
              Sergey Aleksandrovich 18 July 2021 17: 01
              +1
              There is a hinged armor that increases buoyancy.
        2. DMi
          DMi 17 July 2021 09: 04
          +1
          Amphibiousness is freedom of maneuver. In modern warfare, where there is no clear front line, maneuver will become even more important. And by the way, if the Germans in 41 had amphibious tanks and transporters, they would have moved even faster. And they would have reached Moscow much earlier.
    2. Professor
      Professor 15 July 2021 06: 07
      +9
      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Dimensions is a barn on wheels.

      There is no other way now. IED ... request

      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Armor - but it is not. 7.62x51 will sew through this trough. I'm not talking about 12.7

      Of course there is armor, but ... Dragunov will pierce it, but not through and through, as well as 12.7-mm.

      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Wono Floats. And who needs it?

      And here I agree with you. Buoyancy at the expense of security is not really needed.

      Quote: Baron Pardus
      Where will Belarus sell this veneermobile?

      To third world countries for parades and dispersal of demonstrations. Venezuela for example or Nicaragua.

      Quote: Baron Pardus
      moreover, such an armored personnel carrier should AS A MINIMUM withstand the shelling of 20mm cannons in the frontal projection and 12.7mm machine guns in the side.

      Not. The 6th level of protection according to STANAG is 30 mm in the frontal projection and 14.5 in all projections. Less is plywood.
      1. svp67
        svp67 15 July 2021 06: 26
        +10
        Quote: Professor
        Buoyancy at the expense of security is not really needed.

        And if buoyancy is just part of the "security". This car does not need to wait for its turn to cross bridges or on pontoons, which will definitely be at gunpoint, it can do it where it needs can
        1. Professor
          Professor 15 July 2021 06: 34
          -7
          Quote: svp67
          And if buoyancy is just part of the "security". This car does not need to wait for its turn to cross bridges or on pontoons, which will definitely be at gunpoint, it can do it where it needs can

          Then you are in an inflatable boat and quickly to the other side. The level of protection is about the same.
          1. svp67
            svp67 15 July 2021 09: 11
            +5
            Quote: Old Tankman
            How to dive from such

            Have you ever seen how this is done? Well, something like this
            1. Pechkin
              Pechkin 15 July 2021 10: 57
              +4
              Have you ever seen how this is done? Well, something like this
              You understand what kind of equipment in the video, LVTP-7 or AAVP-7 is an American amphibious vehicle. I would see how you can do this on the BTR 82 or BMP 2. No need to pull the owl over the globe.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 15 July 2021 14: 35
                +8
                Quote: Pechkin
                I would see how you can do this on the BTR 82 or BMP 2. No need to pull the owl over the globe.
                This was done even on the BMP-1 in the GDR, from a steep bank and into the river during exercises. Nobody puts an "owl on the globe".
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              2. svp67
                svp67 16 July 2021 07: 26
                +4
                Quote: Pechkin
                I would see how you can do this on the BTR 82 or BMP 2.

                And you have never seen this ??????????? Did you even serve? If so, where and in what troops?
                Quote: Pechkin
                You understand what kind of equipment in the video, LVTP-7 or AAVP-7 is an American amphibious vehicle.

                If you know what it is, then you know its characteristics. These "sheds" are three or four times larger than our armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, and nothing like not be afraid to do it. How not to be afraid to do this our motorized riflemen, marines and airborne troops, in their combat vehicles.
          2. Per se.
            Per se. 15 July 2021 09: 20
            +11
            Professor, you may not need floating equipment in Israel. We need rivers and lakes all around. Anyone who has ever had a chance to take part in crossing water barriers will remember this for a long time. Whoever had enough impressions in civilian life, just enough times to catch the ferry in the wilderness, and to be late for the train.

            As for the armored personnel carrier itself, one thing is that the stern unloading, which is not an essential item for a wheeled armored personnel carrier, all the more so, while maintaining the floating functions and the "armored bus" for marches. This is not "Namer". It is a pity, they have taken away the BTR-90 from us, it would be better if the Belarusians somehow revived it for themselves, the development would not be lost.
            1. Professor
              Professor 15 July 2021 10: 12
              +1
              Quote: Per se.
              Professor, you may not need floating equipment in Israel. We need rivers and lakes all around. Anyone who has ever had a chance to take part in crossing water barriers will remember this for a long time. Whoever had enough impressions in civilian life, just enough times to catch the ferry in the wilderness, and to be late for the train.

              Hinting at the great Jewish Jordan River? wink

              In fact, no one needs such a technique today. Here, either swim or protect the crew. The second is more important.
              And the forcing of water obstacles is a proven task.

              Quote: svp67
              Will not fit, the rubber boat moves slowly over land ...

              Many options


              Quote: svp67
              In general, it's funny to hear from an Israeli. In "The Yom Kippur War," how did the Egyptians cross the Suez Canal in their first cast? Over bridges? No, they guided them later, but at first they fully used the ability to independently swim their equipment and attacked on a wide front
              How did the Israeli army complete the final encirclement of the Egyptian forces in the same war? Again, using floating equipment, including trophy, to overcome the water obstacle and go to the rear of the Egyptians ...
              So, remember the history of your country and do not talk nonsense

              You are the one to screw up nonsense. The Arabs crossed the Suez Canal on ... inflatable boats, CEP. fellow Operation Badr. And only after gaining a foothold on the eastern bank, pontoon bridges were built over which the equipment was transferred.




              General Sharon established a foothold on the west bank, deciding the course of the war, too, only by erecting a pontoon ferry





              The use of amphibious tanks PT-76 was of an episodic nature. Moreover, they turned out to be so "useful" that they were immediately removed from service.
              1. Per se.
                Per se. 15 July 2021 10: 32
                +5
                Quote: Professor
                In fact, no one needs such a technique today. Here, either swim or protect the crew.
                Let's not argue, I heard your opinion. I can only say that we still have tanks and other heavy, non-amphibious equipment. Here, for this, everything that you have outlined is quite according to the scheme. But let's not forget that even the Moscow region is more than twice the area of ​​Israel in territory, and the Suez Canal or the "great Jewish river" Jordan is far from the Volga, therefore, we need mobile and floating equipment. Read at your leisure about crossing the Dnieper during the war, what it cost, or simply from Tvardovsky in the lyrics.
                Crossing, crossing!
                Left bank, right bank,
                Rough snow, ice edge ...

                To whom is the memory, to whom is glory,
                To dark water, -
                No sign, no trace.

                Alexander Tvardovsky "Vasily Terkin: 4. Crossing".
                1. Professor
                  Professor 15 July 2021 12: 43
                  -3
                  Quote: Per se.
                  Let's not argue, I heard your opinion. I can only say that we still have tanks and other heavy, non-amphibious equipment. Here, for this, everything that you have outlined is quite according to the scheme. But let's not forget that even the Moscow region is more than twice the area of ​​Israel in territory, and the Suez Canal or the "great Jewish river" Jordan is far from the Volga, therefore, we need mobile and floating equipment. Read at your leisure about crossing the Dnieper during the war, what it cost, or simply from Tvardovsky in the lyrics.

                  You yourself order what you want and you can prepare again for the 1941-1945 war. Ai expressed his opinion on today's realities.
                  Have a nice day. hi
                  1. Per se.
                    Per se. 15 July 2021 14: 05
                    +2
                    Maybe wars and the continuation of politics, but their conduct is a reflection of geography. It's not about preparing for the last war, 1941-1945, you can make mistakes during expeditionary operations in the same Syria, ordering equipment, but you cannot make mistakes in technology to protect the Fatherland itself, if "guests" decide to come to us again. There is no NATO against Israel, and we were surrounded from all sides by "partners" from Washington.

                    In any case, thank you for your attention, and to you, שיהיה לך יום טוב!
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 15 July 2021 14: 16
                      -1
                      Quote: Per se.
                      if the "guests" decide to come to us again. There is no NATO against Israel, and we were surrounded from all sides by "partners" from Washington.

                      You are strange people. On the one hand, you fight to the death with the bourgeoisie (Nord Stream-2) in order to exchange your natural wealth from the bourgeoisie for beads, while the bourgeoisie resist. On the other hand, you worry that the bourgeois will seize your natural resources.

                      Quote: Per se.
                      In any case, thank you for your attention, and to you, שיהיה לך יום טוב!

                      Shabbat Shalom
                      1. Per se.
                        Per se. 15 July 2021 14: 47
                        0
                        The natural wealth of the people for "glass beads" in other people's banks is being exchanged by our bad boys, which so far only for internal ratings inflate their cheeks and threaten their bourgeois masters with their fists. This is a temporary phenomenon, with which Russia will part, and the people and the army will remain, this is what we are talking about.
                      2. not main
                        not main 16 July 2021 00: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are strange people.

                        But quite recently, no more than five years, the professor said WE! And now YOU. Actually natural! They change quickly!
                      3. Professor
                        Professor 16 July 2021 10: 13
                        -1
                        Quote: non-primary
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are strange people.

                        But quite recently, no more than five years, the professor said WE! And now YOU. Actually natural! They change quickly!

                        You are wrong. Never on this site did I say "we" about the Russian Federation.
                      4. not main
                        not main 16 July 2021 21: 31
                        +1
                        Quote: Professor
                        You are wrong. Never on this site did I say "we" about the Russian Federation.

                        And about the USSR? Yes, although it makes no difference. Personally, Oleg Sokolov, I apologize if I was mistaken!
          3. alexmach
            alexmach 15 July 2021 19: 16
            +1
            The Arabs crossed the Suez Canal on ... inflatable boats, CEP. fellow Operation Badr. And only after gaining a foothold on the eastern bank, they built pontoon bridges over which they transferred equipment

            In general, the requirement for buoyancy grows with feet from the experience of forcing water obstacles in the Great Patriotic War. They were forced then, too, and not a little. And pantons can direct not only in the Middle East. With this, the Belarusians, too, should be no worse than yours. And yet they came to the challenge of being able to force a water barrier without pantons. And the theater of military operations for Belarusians is likely to be European and not desert-Asian. But by itself it should not be at the expense of security ...
            1. Baron pardus
              Baron pardus 17 July 2021 03: 09
              -3
              The Germans forced all these rivers without any amphibious tanks. Soviet amphibious tanks were excellent targets. On the water, the speed is 4-10 km / h. No armor, weapons, at best a heavy machine gun. Shooting range, damn it, at every crossing. "PLEASE, SHOOT ME NOW !!!" (See Isaev for details) Moreover, because of the low-power motors, they could not crawl ashore everywhere. However, the same problems on the BTR-60 and BTR-70. Swim even swims, and is brisk. But you can get ashore only where the coast is gentle, and the ground is solid, the engine power was simply not enough. (two, EMNIP 90hp petrol car engines - for a 10-ton carcass - nothing.)
              It would be better if the large-caliber machine guns that were spent on useless T40s would be put in sparks as anti-aircraft guns. Like Americans. They were smart enough to screw their Ma Duce onto everything they could and shouldn't. That is, any attack aircraft that decided to attack an American convoy on the march would very quickly get to know the ground, because the Americans had Ma Duce on every armored personnel carrier, every tank, every self-propelled gun, on jeeps, and plus as a SPAAG. I mean, a platoon of Sherman tanks, this is not only 5 guns, but also 5 large-caliber machine guns.

              You see, you need to swim SOMETIMES, you ALWAYS need to protect the crew. It is much easier to make an armored personnel carrier to which pontoons are screwed to communicate some kind of buoyancy. Although in the chaos of war, the chances that the "amphibious kit" and armored personnel carriers will be in the same place are minimal, as well as the chances that additional "screw-on" armor and armored personnel carriers will be in the same place are also minimal. In normal armies, rivers are forced like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3SCycWcE2E, of course, before disembarking, the opposite bank is ironed with everything possible, from artillery to MLRS NURSs, to napalm bombs and BOV.
              Therefore, what you need to do is not fanshushpanzers (they float like shit, they protect the crew in about the same way), but normal tanks, armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles, supported by normal engineering sapper units. It is not necessary to cross rivers every day, but to protect the crew and shoot at the enemy - much more often. For those who say that "armored personnel carriers only transport infantry," I advise you to see how ours used the M113 in Vietnam and Iraq, and how they used both the LAV25 and the Strikers. And the armor of this "New" Belarusian fan shell is WORSE than the BTR60, it is WORSE than the American M3 and M5, worse than the German Sd.Kfz Hanomag. 251, Worse than BTR-152 is WORSE than British "cobblestone" armored cars. That is, in 2021, they made the technique OCCURRING to handicraft armored vehicles with stone armor - tse peremog. So you have to be able to.

              By the way, somewhere I read about the project for our M2A2 Bradley's EMNIP, that metal pontoons are screwed to the sides, and the bradley, rotating its caterpillars, swims across the rivers, and after crossing, drops the pontoons. There was a project, it was abandoned, it was decided that it was cheaper and more efficient to maintain specialized engineering sapper units than to figure out which brigade to deliver these pontoons to, and to carry a set of pontoons for each brigade was a bumblebee. Refused.

              By the way, in Vietnam (where the rivers are dokuya), ours did not bother with amphibious tanks and armored personnel carriers, but used armored boats, armed ... yes, everything that came to hand. Like in World War II, when our torpedo boats put everything that the sailors could drag off. Up to 37mm cannons from broken aerocobras and 127mm RZSO. On some torpedo boat, they even put a pedestal with a 75mm howitzer. I don't know where they fired from this howitzer. how they got into something at a speed of 38+ ​​knots from this howitzer is unclear, but it was a fact. The howitzer was delivered. I also don’t know how the sailors stole this howitzer without a gun carriage. Where they got the ammunition for her is unclear. But the fact remains. At least one US Navy Torpedo Boat during World War II was equipped with a 75mm infantry howitzer. The Americans also put mortars on torpedo boats. Many weapons and ammo do not exist. Any person who has been in the combat zone will tell you that they DO NOT have extra mortars, howitzers, machine guns. Even if you have two M249s in your ward, NOBODY will refuse the third :-). Moreover, they will not refuse to replace them with M240. Even if you have two grenade launchers in your compartment, NOBODY will refuse the third.

              You want a normal FLOATING APC - Pandur 2. Austria (Germans, what can you do). Frontal and turret armor holds 14.5mm AP bullets. the board holds 7.62x51 armor-piercing bullets. If desired, additional armor plates (composite) and grilles from ATGMs are hung up. Swims in excitement up to TWO points. (no additional armor and grilles). Armament: whatever you want, from MG3 to 105mm cannons, to ATGMs Hot, Milan and Spike. Here THIS is a normal floating armored personnel carrier, with a water cannon, even. Here THIS is a normal wheeled armored personnel carrier. And what the Belarusians have done is a massive tin grave for the crew and troops. Brazilians in the 70s and even better riveted armored vehicles. Both Urutu and Cascavel. I generally keep quiet about the French and Italians and the Swiss.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 17 July 2021 11: 41
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                Soviet amphibious tanks were excellent targets.

                I already went to google and find out what kind of Soviet floating tanks and failures of Soviet design ideas you are writing about. It turned out that there really were such tanks. But the most massive tank at the beginning of the war was the T-26, which was quite on an equal footing in terms of security and firepower with its German "brothers". And it was not floating at all.
                Like Americans. They were smart enough

                The Americans entered the ground war in the European theater of operations in 1944. By that time, a lot of people and a lot of things were smart enough. Both Soviet and German armored units have changed a lot since the beginning of the war.
                You see, you need to swim SOMETIMES, you ALWAYS need to protect the crew

                can't argue with that
                Although in the chaos of war, the chances that the "amphibious kit" and armored personnel carriers will be in the same place are minimal, as well as the chances that additional "screw-on" armor and armored personnel carriers will be in the same place are also minimal.

                So otozh
                In normal armies, rivers are forced like this

                Well, yes, but Belarusians have never heard of self-propelled pontoon parks :)
                And the armor of this "New" Belarusian fan-shell is WORSE than the BTR60

                This statement is very doubtful.
                By the way, in Vietnam (where the rivers are dokuya), ours did not bother with amphibious tanks

                Well, yes .. having total superiority in everything, they did not bother ... That is unprecedented.
      2. svp67
        svp67 15 July 2021 09: 27
        +11
        Quote: Professor
        Then you are in an inflatable boat and quickly to the other side. The level of protection is about the same.

        Will not fit, the rubber boat moves slowly over land ...
        In general, it's funny to hear from an Israeli. In "The Yom Kippur War," how did the Egyptians cross the Suez Canal in their first cast? Over bridges? No, they guided them later, but at first they fully used the ability to independently swim their equipment and attacked on a wide front
        How did the Israeli army complete the final encirclement of the Egyptian forces in the same war? Again, using floating equipment, including trophy, to overcome the water obstacle and go to the rear of the Egyptians ...
        So, remember the history of your country and do not talk nonsense
    3. Old tanker
      Old tanker 15 July 2021 06: 45
      +5
      Far from where it should be. The shores, and both must be prepared for forcing. To equip exits and exits from the water, often the way of approach to exits into the water. After all, the banks are not only swampy and muddy river beds, but also steep. How to dive from this or get out of this without preparation? The enemy will definitely take special attention in places convenient for forcing.
      So it may not work out "where it is needed" at all.
      1. svp67
        svp67 15 July 2021 09: 12
        +3
        Quote: Old Tankman
        The enemy will definitely take special attention in places convenient for forcing.

        For this, the machines are made all-terrain vehicles and given by engineering units
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 15 July 2021 09: 57
          +2
          And how will off-roading affect the overcoming of steep banks? And all-terrain qualities also have limitations.
          Engaging engineering subdivisions to equip crossings is no longer "where it is needed" and not overcoming a water barrier at once. That's what I'm talking about. The enemy is not, engineers are working, so a crossing is being prepared.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 July 2021 07: 28
            0
            Quote: Old Tankman
            And how will off-roading affect the overcoming of steep banks?

            Go to the water barrier where it is not expected, to enter the water and exit to the enemy shore ... All-terrain vehicles are VERY needed there ...
            1. Old tanker
              Old tanker 16 July 2021 09: 53
              0
              Beautiful jumps, including into the water, were demonstrated by BTs in the 30s. This has nothing to do with real forcing.
      2. svp67
        svp67 15 July 2021 09: 16
        0
        Quote: Old Tankman
        The shores, and both must be prepared for forcing.

        Of course, first of all, to provide good fire support, but to overcome the river by swimming, without the enemy's fire impact, that is, not forcing, but simply overcoming, you can do with your own fire capabilities
        1. Old tanker
          Old tanker 15 July 2021 10: 00
          +1
          And why fire capabilities, if we carry out the crossing, that is, to the shore not occupied by the enemy.
          1. svp67
            svp67 16 July 2021 07: 29
            0
            Quote: Old Tankman
            And why fire capabilities, if we carry out the crossing, that is, to the shore not occupied by the enemy.

            About all sorts of attacks, suddenly a stray patrol appears ... and to carry out tasks in the depths, they will not be superfluous, well, there is a communications center or headquarters to destroy, go from the rear and destroy the guard of the bridge, capture a warehouse, ... etc
  3. alexmach
    alexmach 15 July 2021 19: 08
    +1
    And here I agree with you. Buoyancy at the expense of security is not really needed.

    Well, you give. Those who live in the desert need it at all. But the Belarusians do it for themselves first of all.

    I agree with the rest.
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 18 July 2021 17: 08
      +1
      Not addressed to you, I understand, but even that I am ready to dispute. The same hot and dusty Afghanistan is replete with small rivers that need to be overcome somehow.
  4. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 18 July 2021 11: 19
    -2
    ProfEssor ... I completely agree with you. Better write such comments.
  • The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 15 July 2021 07: 18
    -1
    Also noted a discrepancy in size / weight. According to Archimedes, an armored personnel carrier made of polystyrene should be laughing
    It's sarcasm, of course, but the booking seems to have been donated.
    And the author did not bother with the translation - judging by the beginning of the article, the armored car HAS ALREADY been adopted?
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 15 July 2021 08: 21
    +1
    Quote: Baron Pardus
    Where will Belarus sell this veneermobile? Africa and the Middle East?

    This is a good question, which is answered in the article.
    It is known that so far only Belarusian customers are showing interest in this MZKT development.
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 15 July 2021 10: 38
    -1
    This is an APC. Not BMP. His task is to deliver the infantry from point A to point B. You will screw him more zircon)))
  • RVAPatriot
    RVAPatriot 16 July 2021 15: 43
    0
    Off our shores, the 6th US fleet is sailing (on psaki), a machine will come in handy
  • riwas
    riwas 15 July 2021 06: 29
    +2
    A beautiful machine, but it is necessary to provide for a regular quick installation of hinged armor.
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 July 2021 07: 06
    +5
    Wheeled vehicles will never replace tracked vehicles, especially in the conditions of Belarus with its swampy terrain. hi
    1. Torins
      Torins 15 July 2021 07: 48
      0
      Here, perhaps I agree.
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 15 July 2021 09: 19
    0
    Fighting and traction characteristics, it seems, are not bad ... but what about the size, is it too big?
    1. Sergey Aleksandrovich
      Sergey Aleksandrovich 15 July 2021 15: 11
      0
      But a good platform for a self-propelled mortar of the 2S23 "Nona-SVK" type or a system similar to the "Air Defense Derivation" can be obtained.
  • silver169
    silver169 15 July 2021 09: 23
    0
    Not impressed. Absolutely. It looks very archaic. Boomerang is much better.
    1. Grits
      Grits 17 July 2021 17: 51
      0
      Quote: silver169
      Not impressed. Absolutely. It looks very archaic. Boomerang is much better.

      I agree. Except for one BUT. The Belarusians have one, and you have a new car like a devil out of a snuffbox. At least tomorrow in production. And the "boomerang" has been experienced for 10 years. And there will be as many more
  • Dimon-chik-79
    Dimon-chik-79 15 July 2021 09: 59
    0
    It will only be possible to congratulate the Belarusians if this car goes into mass production! It's better this way than nothing, like ours, for example! There is no boomerang and it is not known when it will appear, and the cardboard armored personnel carrier 82, and even with airborne landing, whatever one may say, no matter how you do not modernize the car of the 60s, no longer corresponds to modern realities.
  • An64
    An64 15 July 2021 10: 01
    -5
    Are the Belarusians so disliked by the Anglo-Saxons that they decided to give the names of their military equipment in English?
    1. your1970
      your1970 21 July 2021 11: 27
      +1
      Volat- in Belarusian.
  • faterdom
    faterdom 15 July 2021 10: 38
    +2
    The motive itself is not very clear, the production of devices.
    Only to prove that "you yourself with a mustache", including Russia, by creating competition for it ...
    But there will be no market, and therefore no mass character, nor will there be any payback. Even if the car comes out solid due to the high industrial culture of the MZKT, there is nothing breakthrough or special in it. Unlike some Russian ideas with a 57mm cannon module or special vehicles of the "Terminator" type.
    It would be better for Old Man to think about his age-old niche of wheeled tractors, for which, due to its "bohatovector" nature, Kamaz creates a competitor. But tractors are in demand for ever larger weapon systems, it has long been consumed not only by the Strategic Missile Forces, but also by air defense / missile defense, and ground personnel.
  • sen
    sen 15 July 2021 12: 24
    +3
    Into the new Israeli heavy armored personnel carrier "Pereg", which is a remake of the combat tank "Merkava" Mk 3. Minimum weapons, maximum protection.
    1. Grits
      Grits 17 July 2021 17: 54
      0
      Quote: sen
      Into the new Israeli heavy armored personnel carrier "Pereg", which is a remake of the combat tank "Merkava" Mk 3. Minimum weapons, maximum protection.

      Good armored personnel carrier. One thing is bad - he cannot swim. How to force the Jordan?
  • Lynnot
    Lynnot 15 July 2021 13: 38
    0
    His vision of the "Boxer" ...
  • Stas1973
    Stas1973 15 July 2021 18: 01
    0
    Yugoslavian OT got drunk. No more.
    1. marat2016
      marat2016 15 July 2021 20: 42
      +2
      Czechoslovak OT-64 Did you mean to say?
      1. Stas1973
        Stas1973 16 July 2021 03: 18
        +1
        Thanks for the fix. Czechoslovakian course
  • Thorvlobnor IV
    Thorvlobnor IV 16 July 2021 10: 27
    0
    The armor protection, of course, is awful. With the proliferation of anti-material rifles, STANAG 2 is about nothing.
    Okay, there, the western armored personnel carriers, but even the Ukrainian armored personnel carrier-4MV1 with hinged ceramic-composite armor is STANAG 4, i.e. holds a 14,5mm bullet from a distance of 200m.
  • Andr Kravzov
    Andr Kravzov 17 July 2021 12: 12
    0
    Wunderwaffel
  • Briz
    Briz 20 July 2021 23: 16
    0
    Quote: alch3mist
    25 tons, twice as heavy as Volat.

    25 tons versus 20 - is it twice ?!