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"Pandemic" - a tool of world war

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Unrest in South Africa


The Russian experience of compulsory vaccination has obviously failed. People are looking for ways to avoid getting vaccinated, doing antibody tests, or even trying to trick the system. People don't believe vaccines are miraculous. The Russians are sabotaging the construction of a "brave new world", they do not want to exchange freedom (will) for imaginary security.

"Pandemic" - a method of global war


Today we are in a state of global war (the fourth world war). Hence all the crises and problems - a revolution in prices for literally everything (equipment, cars, real estate, building materials, food, etc.), the ruin of the middle class, the growth of the poor and the poor, an increase in the number of the super-rich, prohibitions, reduction of human rights and freedoms, the strengthening of prohibitive measures, unrest all over the planet, riots in South Africa, the offensive of the Taliban in Afghanistan, etc.

The goal of the war is to overcome the current crisis of humanity, the crisis of capitalism, the crisis of the Western world, the ecological crisis, "reset" the planet and create a new world order. "Brave New World". Where has the problem of the biosphere crisis, the crisis of the consumer society, the problem of "surplus" humanity, rapidly foul the planet, been solved?

In conditions when it is impossible to use the usual instrument for resolving the crisis - "hot" war, they have found a substitute surrogate. "Virus". At the same time, they do not give up the war at the local, regional level. Examples are fighting in Syria, Libya or Afghanistan. However, at the global level, it is a "pandemic".

The mechanism for creating a new world order is the choice of the population between illusory security and freedom. It doesn't matter that security is imaginary, the main thing is that people believe in it. All the countries of the "golden billion" (the core-metropolis of the capitalist system) for a year and a half gave up freedom and a part of national sovereignty in exchange for the security that vaccination supposedly guarantees them. Small groups of people chose to resist, but in general, the population of the "developed world" joined forces in a "digital concentration camp". Rights and freedoms were exchanged for a phantom of security. Fear, horror, terror, hysteria and global social networks turned out to be stronger than the willingness of people to stand up to the end, but preserve free will.

Sabotage of Russia


In Russia, the coronavirus hysteria, bans and pressure from the authorities did not work as in the "free world."

The Russians, obviously, at the level of the collective unconscious, felt that this was a muddy business and that they had to wait. 70-80% of the population is against compulsory vaccination for some vague purpose. Russians are ready to sacrifice even their own health. What went off with a bang in the West does not work in Russia. The Russians have once again shown themselves to be the most unpredictable and stubborn people who break all rational and logical scenarios and plans that are drawn up in the West.

The problem, however, is that a new global order can only be built if it concerns everyone. If there are states and territories in the world where the "new brave world" did not take place, then the scenario of the current world war and the future of mankind will be broken.

What will the forces that unleashed this world slaughter have to do?

And because of the regime of hysteria, bans, a falling economy, rising prices, stress, the collapse of medicine aimed only at covid, so many people are already dying, as if a war is going on. To persecute, to drive into the "global concentration camp" all who still resist. Inventing new viruses, causing a collapse of basic infrastructure (cyber terrorism), causing famine, or organizing new wars. But push your script.

Earlier, it was suggested that at the Biden-Putin meeting in Geneva, the American president put forward an ultimatum to Moscow until the end of 2021 (Crusade against China. Ultimatum of Russia). Russia must pass the test of loyalty to the "new world order".

It seemed that this primarily concerns China. But, judging by the latest events, this point is still secondary in comparison with the project of the "brave new world". Russians must show loyalty to the new world order - first, the mask regime and sanitary distance (it is now called social, although initially it is the distance between social classes, groups and races, when "a black man should have known his place"), then - vaccination.

Who is most loyal to the orders of the WHO-UN - the countries of the "golden billion", the "developed world".

Who is the most disloyal? Russia with its 70% refusal to vaccinate.

Therefore, Russia will be forced to loyalty. The methods are different. On the western borders, from the Baltic to the Black Sea, NATO countries are continuously training exercises. Military demonstration. A threat arises in the southern underbelly of Russia - the Afghan question. Ukraine is frankly and clearly becoming a NATO bridgehead aimed at us. There is a blocking of Belarus. They are kindling a new war in the South Caucasus.

Inside the country there is a "rocking boat" - a rise in prices, tax burden, utility tariffs, managerial idiocy, completely stupid bans, etc. The division of people into "clean" (vaccinated) and "unclean". Terrible social stratification.

The next step is unrest, the destruction of state structures around the world. Successful examples already exist, as in Iraq, Syria and Libya. Now riots have engulfed South Africa, unrest began in Cuba. A pandemic of fear leads to chaos and aggression.

Thus, having conducted a successful global campaign to manipulate the consciousness of large masses of people who have exchanged free will for illusory security (a universal code of loyalty, accounting and systematization of people), the masters of the West are moving to a new stage - the destruction of national statehood.

As Z. Brzezinski noted:

"The new world order will be built against Russia, on the ruins of Russia and at the expense of Russia."
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  1. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 17 July 2021 06: 03
    +14
    Jesus ... what nonsense ... Do a survey here on the site and see how Russians avoid vaccinations. We just have everything working according to the principle - the thunder will not break out, the man will not cross himself. What does it mean to believe or not? Here is an example of the third wave and how they ran to put them in droves. Wait. Two months ago, 30 people in the city fell ill a day now 350. I can not understand this supposedly masochism, and even Samsonov glorified ???
    People don't believe vaccines are miraculous. "The Russians are sabotaging the construction of a 'brave new world', they do not want to exchange freedom (will) for imaginary security." What is this new savagery ??? Damn people are dying. Do you even have a gram of conscience?
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 July 2021 06: 16
      +7
      I do not agree with you, I voluntarily went and got vaccinated ... The party said it was necessary smile I went and gave an injection, standing in a long queue ... True, the doctor arranged the circus by mixing people in a disorderly heap ... everyone strove to crawl forward ... for a long time then I cursed the whole stupid system and the doctor complained to me that there were 130 people in day ... takes ... and we live.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 17 July 2021 06: 26
        +16
        So I volunteered. As a mother, I got sick enough motivation. I'm just shocked with Mr. Samsonov. For some reason, he decided to speak for all Russians, and even came up with a pretentious reason.
        1. aglet
          aglet 17 July 2021 09: 08
          +11
          "For some reason he decided to speak for all Russians"
          so you speak for everyone, and you, such all, only 13%. and I'm sure half "at gunpoint" took root
          1. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 17 July 2021 09: 12
            -4
            Already 20. I have no idea for the truth. Personally, as for me, it was time for the car to do it without kicks.
            1. aglet
              aglet 17 July 2021 14: 35
              +7
              "Already 20. I have no idea the truth."
              actually 14, specially looked
              1. carstorm 11
                carstorm 11 17 July 2021 14: 37
                -3
                On July 16, 28,6 million people. This is without taking into account with one dose which. I hope you find a calculator?)
                1. aglet
                  aglet 17 July 2021 15: 29
                  +4
                  "As of July 16, 28,6 million people"
                  https://yandex.ru/covid19/stat?utm_source=main_graph&utm_source=main_notif&geoId=225
                  here he needs a calculator too
                  1. carstorm 11
                    carstorm 11 17 July 2021 15: 53
                    -6
                    You can believe in anything you want. But if you are not too lazy, google how long 14 percent hangs in the internet. I have been observing this figure since June 18. Despite the fact that half a million people have been vaccinated recently every day) and how 14 hung and it hangs)
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 13
                0
                Quote: aglet
                actually 14, specially looked

                14% for a double injection. And the first is already about 30%
                So - catch up ..., And then you can be late. tongue
          2. Phil77
            Phil77 17 July 2021 09: 18
            -3
            Greetings, my option is either getting vaccinated or suspension without content. That's all. hi
            As for the topic itself, I don't even want to give any arguments. Why?
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 17 July 2021 11: 54
              +21
              Quote: Phil77
              My option is either getting vaccinated or suspension without maintenance. That's all. hi

              Thank you for not being shot. hi
              What about strains? How can one be grafted from all of them? And will not a situation arise when the organism, weakened by the vaccination against the "A" strain, will be attacked with all its coronavirus hatred by the "B" strain, with all the consequences and lastes, so to speak?
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 17 July 2021 13: 45
                +14
                I probably just wrote it inaccurately! recourse Sorry!
                I just had such an alternative at work. Either you get vaccinated, or you leave without support. So I had to get vaccinated, and the rest.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 17 July 2021 17: 36
                  +9
                  Quote: Phil77
                  I probably just wrote it inaccurately! Sorry!

                  Then do not blame me either. Not realized... hi
                  1. Phil77
                    Phil77 17 July 2021 19: 00
                    +5
                    Come on, it's only me, it happens, too much haste. hi
              2. Fazil
                Fazil 18 July 2021 09: 30
                +5
                "More infectious variants of the coronavirus crowd out other strains, but the severity of the course of COVID-19 is not progressing," Alexander Semyonov, head of the branch of the Novosibirsk center "Vector" in Yekaterinburg, told RIA Novosti the head of the branch of the Novosibirsk center "Vector" in Yekaterinburg. the strong defeat the weak, and this is stated by the supervisors.
              3. would
                would 20 July 2021 11: 05
                -2
                As for the strains, so far nothing, vaccinations so far protect from everyone. By the way, this is absolutely not a unique situation.

                when the organism, weakened by vaccination against strain "A"


                Vaccinations do not weaken the body.
            2. aglet
              aglet 17 July 2021 14: 39
              +3
              "My option is either getting vaccinated, or suspension without maintenance."
              maybe it will be cheaper, those who are afraid to move somewhere? there are fewer of them. and why such segregation? who gave you the right to decide for others, which is better, which is worse? graft? so she doesn't add brains
              1. Phil77
                Phil77 17 July 2021 14: 59
                +7
                Yes, I already apologized for the INACCURACY of the wording.
                I made it myself under compulsion! Compulsion in the same way, and I myself do not accept.
          3. prior
            prior 17 July 2021 10: 13
            +29
            Does a Russian citizen have rights or what?
            Did I ask anyone to forcefully treat me, operate, vaccinate, castrate, microchip?
            Maybe it is written in the laws that I can be forcibly treated, operated on, vaccinated?
            If a person consults a doctor, treatment should be mandatory.
            Everything else regarding my health can only be advisory - mask, muzzle, gas mask, chastity belt, vaccination, QR code, PCR test.
            Am I a free man in a free country or roadside dust in a concentration camp?
            Somehow, gentlemen fighters with Covid.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 17 July 2021 10: 47
              +10
              Maybe it is written in the laws that I can be forcibly treated, operated on, vaccinated?

              Question. If you are a carrier of some nasty infection and wander around infecting others - can you be grabbed and forcibly treated? Or is it your sacred right not to be treated and spread your sore to others?
              1. prior
                prior 17 July 2021 10: 52
                +6
                What is the relevant article on involuntary isolation?
                Not. Then what are the questions
                Syphilitics, spidonos, psychiatric patients walk around the country freely .......
                And nobody cares. Unfortunately.
                1. FIR FIR
                  FIR FIR 17 July 2021 13: 53
                  +6
                  Quote: prior
                  syphilitics, spidos, psychiatric patients .......

                  Syphilis, AIDS, schizophrenia and TIR are not transmitted by airborne droplets.
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 22 July 2021 20: 24
                    -1
                    and tuberculosis?
                2. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 23
                  +7
                  Quote: prior
                  What is the relevant article on involuntary isolation

                  But there are such articles. Including criminal ones, for intentional infection ... Your freedom ends where the freedom of another begins!
                  From smallpox, poliomyelitis, scarlet fever, measles, you DO NOT INACTIVATE? I can list a dozen more. In the country, just under 800 people die a DAY. And nothing? You want freedom - health. But then make sure that your freedom does not kill or maim anyone!
                  1. Kazbek
                    Kazbek 18 July 2021 22: 19
                    -2
                    So mostly vaccinated people die! And this third (tenth, fiftieth, xp you will understand them) wave is a consequence of forced infection with a virus (oh, sorry, a consequence of vaccination laughing ).
                3. seos
                  seos 20 July 2021 21: 54
                  +2
                  Che to discuss with the vaccinated ... they were also told that the vaccine gives holy protection against all viruses and that the vaccinated (thanks to the holy protection) does not spread covid and in general with the vaccine they will definitely go to heaven ... So they are raving, trying to convince others that they did the right thing ...
              2. aglet
                aglet 17 July 2021 14: 43
                +5
                "If you are a carrier of some nasty infection and wander around infecting others - can you be grabbed and forcibly treated?"
                it is possible, if it is proved that this someone was infected from me, and not at all infected. while this is not, I can walk as I want, wearing a mask, without a mask. and Schaub did you know that the vaccinated virus spreads the same way
              3. Spider
                Spider 17 July 2021 21: 03
                +8
                Answer: no one gets infected just like that and cannot get infected. As well as "a brick does not fall on the head" - according to Bulgakov)) And if you, dear, were vaccinated, then what are you afraid of? The virus will fly by))))
              4. BMP-2
                BMP-2 18 July 2021 11: 20
                +8
                Question. If you are a carrier of some nasty infection and wander around infecting others - can you be grabbed and forcibly treated? Or is it your sacred right not to be treated and spread your sore to others?
                The question seems to me completely incorrect: the fact is that the vaccinated can carry the infection in the same way as the unvaccinated (the Lancet magazine is one of the most authoritative medical publications in Great Britain). The only thing that vaccination gives is the presence of antibodies. But here's the bad luck: the presence of antibodies is not a guarantee that a person will not get sick, and even the likelihood that a person, in case of illness, will endure it more easily is also very low (MD Poletaev A.B.). Although, of course, after a year and a half of infodemia, the desire of many to "prick and forget" is quite understandable ...
                1. Kazbek
                  Kazbek 18 July 2021 22: 20
                  +3
                  Quote: BMP-2
                  Although, of course, after a year and a half of infodemia, the desire of many to "prick and forget" is quite understandable ...

                  Bravo! good
                2. mikstepanenko
                  mikstepanenko 19 July 2021 19: 57
                  -2
                  Vaccination gives the presence of antibodies. Antibodies destroy the carrier of the infection, in this case the virus. This is the ABC of immunology. That is, a vaccinated person cannot infect anyone; viruses in him are simply destroyed immediately. And if it can, then this is a question for the vaccine. This means that antibodies are not produced against this virus, but it is not known against what, and such vaccination does not make sense. Elementary logic.
                  1. BMP-2
                    BMP-2 19 July 2021 20: 31
                    +2
                    The ABC is the alphabet, but linguistics is not limited to its study. For example, in a patient with tuberculosis or HIV, the number of antibodies may simply be off scale, but at the same time the number of viruses and the possibility of infecting others are off scale. In this case, a blood transfusion from those who had been ill (that is, blood containing antibodies) did not lead to an improvement in the situation. Although this is the same mechanism as in the promoted vaccines, and, in theory, it should also have worked ... And here, indeed, the question of the meaning of vaccination arises. But the most interesting thing is not even that. Interestingly, people are characterized by a fairly wide range of reactions, from severe to mild. Moreover, there are those who do not get sick at all. The question arises: by what means?
                    1. mikstepanenko
                      mikstepanenko 23 July 2021 13: 21
                      +1
                      Should surprise you. The HIV virus has not yet been found. Find it to distinguish, to separate it from everything else. It's the same with the covid coronavirus. And for the development of a vaccine, a pure culture of the pathogen is needed, this is the alphabet.
                      For the vaccine against covid, they took another virus and they do not even hide it. On the assumption that the covid is very similar to him. A vaccine against HIV has never been created, for its creation there is no most basic, the HIV virus.
                      On antibodies, there is such a thing as cross-activity of antibodies. That is, the antibody reacts not only to the antigen against which it was produced, but also to many others. The converse is also true, by the antibody it is impossible to determine what exactly it was created against.
                      1. BMP-2
                        BMP-2 23 July 2021 21: 11
                        0
                        Well, then I will surprise you: according to statistics (if you believe her), about 1 in 10 gets sick with covid. The other nine are absolutely safe. The influenza virus, which has been known to medicine for more than 100 years, in the period 1918-1920 claimed about 100 million lives, and now it takes from 300 to 600 thousand annually. An effective influenza vaccine has not yet been invented: the maximum efficiency was achieved (according to WHO) in 2016 - 60%. In other years, the effectiveness of vaccines ranged from 10% to 40%. The efficacy of covid vaccines was tested on samples that are orders of magnitude smaller than the variability of the properties of the general population. Attention to the question: why is there such confidence that vaccines will give exactly the effect that is expected of them?
                      2. mikstepanenko
                        mikstepanenko 25 July 2021 07: 21
                        0
                        You did not surprise me, I already know that. I can say that we will be infected with covid and we will recover from everything, but the majority, up to 90%, will not even notice it. Concerning the pathogen that is already working for us.
                        There is another question, how many variants of these covids. It is now clear that this is an artificially created biological weapon. And it was created in many versions. And different options have different ability to infect and different danger.
                      3. BMP-2
                        BMP-2 25 July 2021 10: 57
                        0
                        Yes, and I have not been surprised at anything for a long time laughing ... Although, it would be interesting to find answers to three questions: 1) how much during the period of the pandemic the number of iatrogenies and nosophobia increased (Iatrogenia is a deterioration in the physical or emotional state of a person, unintentionally provoked by a health worker. diseases.) It is desirable in a breakdown by day with reference to the number of views of information about covid winked; 2) what are the results of nocebo control of the effectiveness of vaccines (antipode to placebo control. In the case of a placebo, a person is injected with a neutral drug, while they say that it works great, and they get positive changes. In the case of nocebo, a person is injected with a neutral drug and said that it causes negative effects, and get negative state changes) recourse ; 3) how did Ethiopian Foreign Minister Gebreyesus become the Director-General of WHO?repeat
          4. Roman070280
            Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 32
            +2
            Question. If you are a carrier of some nasty infection and wander around infecting others - can you be grabbed and forcibly treated?

            Well, go and inject yourself, since you are so paranoid, and then walk calmly among any people around you .. You will be vaccinated .. You shouldn't care ..
            But no .. for some reason you still don’t care ..
        2. AlexSam
          AlexSam 17 July 2021 14: 02
          +5
          I will probably greatly disappoint if I say that worms will devour free people just like everyone else, but a little earlier ... and "a little" can be measured in decades ...

          and one more observation from life: the vast majority of those who have recovered six months after recovery go and get vaccinated, but to the question "Why, because antibodies (clinical trials, compote, concentration camp, chipping and other moronic delirium)?" answer "Once was enough for me for the whole life" ...

          and the free ones can continue to splash saliva, throw in social networks, they can even jump (if their legs are not pulled out), this is their free choice ...
          1. aglet
            aglet 17 July 2021 14: 58
            +2
            "and one more observation from life: the vast majority of those who have recovered six months after recovery go and"
            and when did they manage to get re-vaccinated, if the authorities were about to announce that they had to inject themselves every six months? and most of those who had recovered did not even know that they were sick. and my brother foolishly got vaccinated, and now, in the infection, supposedly they are being treated, in three days the doctor came up twice. but this is the free choice of everyone, even you, full of holes
            1. AlexSam
              AlexSam 17 July 2021 15: 08
              +14
              my colleagues at work (in the city's second largest polyclinic), first of all, doctors, had time, although before the illness they also stated that only through their own corpse ... but apparently, the prospect of actually becoming a corpse, tested on their own skin, stimulates the brain well ...

              and follow the speech please ...
              1. Spider
                Spider 17 July 2021 21: 07
                -1
                If you are really not a stupid person, then you understand that death is not the worst thing that can happen to the bearer of an immortal soul .... However, I am sure that Bhagavad Gita is not familiar to you ...)))
              2. Roman070280
                Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 38
                +1
                and follow the speech please ...

                At first he began to be rude, but when he got a return, he suddenly remembered about the culture ..))

                my colleagues at work (in the second largest polyclinic in the city), primarily doctors, managed to

                And my friend works in a military hospital .. and so, according to her words, even there only one out of 10 was vaccinated .. And I believe her more ..
                And I also believe in what I see at my work .. where in the whole team only one is grafted ..
            2. Mountain shooter
              Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 27
              +3
              Quote: aglet
              and my brother foolishly got vaccinated, and now, in the infection, they are supposedly being treated, in three days the doctor came up twice. but this is the free choice of everyone, even you, full of holes

              Rudeness reads off scale, has the prison lingo gone? And the lies about the vaccinated brother in the infectious diseases ward, 2 times the doctor came up ... It's a shame ... And most importantly, the same pattern.
              1. aglet
                aglet 19 July 2021 07: 19
                +2
                "? And the lies about the vaccinated brother in the infectious diseases, 2 times the doctor approached .."
                I don’t have a habit of lying, yes, my brother was vaccinated, but now he’s in an infection, but the doctor came up twice in three days (what to do, we do not live in the capital, there are simply no doctors). I can say it again, if the second time it didn’t come. but your answers are the same pattern - if they do not coincide with my opinion, then it is wrong,
                1. Mountain shooter
                  Mountain shooter 19 July 2021 07: 22
                  -1
                  Quote: aglet
                  I don’t have a habit of lying, yes, my brother was vaccinated, but now he’s infected, but the doctor came up twice in three days (what to do, we do not live in the capital, there are simply no doctors).

                  And where? Where do they put it in the infectious diseases, so as not to cure? To know this region ... and the hospital.
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 19 July 2021 07: 47
                    +3
                    "And where? Where do they put them in the infectious diseases ward so as not to treat?"
                    just in case, you knew, the doctors never showed zeal in the treatment, they are paid not for the result, but for the process, the virus did not change anything, only noise and crackling around the process added
                    "To know this region ... and the hospital."
                    Well, you know, so what? you never threaten to get there. and the region is 26
                  2. Mountain shooter
                    Mountain shooter 19 July 2021 08: 07
                    -2
                    Quote: aglet
                    "To know this region ... and the hospital."
                    Well, you know, so what? you never threaten to get there. and the region is 26

                    Stavropol Territory, 260 cases per day with a population of 2800 thousand. now I would call the hospital.
                  3. aglet
                    aglet 21 July 2021 06: 29
                    0
                    "260 cases per day"
                    not sick, but carriers of the virus, these are somewhat different things. and what about the hospital, do you need it? your surname is not a goosebump, by any chance?
      2. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 13: 53
        +1
        Quote: AlexSam
        but a little earlier ... and "a little" can be measured in decades.

        The Israeli Ministry of Health will argue with you. Recently, they officially announced that one of the best vaccines in the world, according to WHO, Pfizer, is absolutely useless against new strains of covid. Medicine in Israel is definitely better than ours.
        The quality of the Pfizer vaccine was recently confirmed by our Ministry of Health by purchasing 400.000 doses of the vaccine. And if this vaccine is useless, then what to say about ours, which is not recognized in the world?
        But if someone wants to be injected simply because they say so from every iron - go ahead and sing! good
      3. nerd.su
        nerd.su 20 July 2021 21: 08
        -1
        Quote: AlexSam
        and one more observation from life: the vast majority of those who have recovered six months after recovery go and get vaccinated, but to the question "Why, because antibodies (clinical trials, compote, concentration camp, chipping and other moronic delirium)?" answer "I had enough once for my whole life

        Yes, Trotsky, in comparison with you, is simply silent ... Can you characterize the majority in numbers?
    2. astepanov
      astepanov 17 July 2021 14: 31
      +3
      Quote: prior
      Does a Russian citizen have rights or what?

      Yes, you have your rights. If you want to hang yourself - hang yourself, if you want to jump from the tenth floor - for God's sake, jump. But if the way to exercise your right to commit suicide you choose to go to the oncoming lane, then many will object, because this violates their right to stay alive.
      At the height of the "Spanish flu" there were cases when the townspeople in Europe locked up and burned houses with the sick - to prevent the spread of the infection. The same thing, on an even larger scale, happened during epidemics of smallpox and plague. Do you want to bring it to this? People somehow do not like it when someone exercises their rights at someone else's expense.
      1. aglet
        aglet 17 July 2021 15: 04
        -8
        "In the midst of the Spanish flu, there were cases when the townspeople in Europe locked up and burned houses with the sick - in order to prevent the spread of the infection."
        do you remember that? did this happen in front of you? in fact, it was, according to legend, during the plague, in the 12th century. well, you have a memory
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 17 July 2021 15: 07
          +9
          Him about Thomas - he about Eremu. Honorable, I wrote that one should not drive in the opposite lane. Do you agree with that?
          1. aglet
            aglet 17 July 2021 15: 16
            -7
            "Honorable, I wrote that one should not drive in the opposite lane."
            the oncoming lane and the virus are somehow connected?
            1. astepanov
              astepanov 17 July 2021 15: 36
              +6
              And you are pretending not to understand, right? In either case, you deliberately threaten the lives of other people, spitting on your own safety.
              1. prior
                prior 17 July 2021 16: 11
                0
                I can argue that the very fact of your existence threatens me and not only me. Should you be burned? After all, even vaccinated, you can remain a carrier of the virus. How do you like this proposal?
              2. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 31
                +4
                Quote: prior
                Should you be burned? After all, even vaccinated, you can remain a carrier of the virus. How do you like this offer

                Right. But if there are many vaccinated, there are significantly fewer deaths.
                Check out the UK statistics! They have up to 50 thousand a day, and the dead - 50
                The same picture is in the USA, in Germany, in Israel. Can't read?
              3. aglet
                aglet 19 July 2021 07: 02
                -2
                "The same picture in the USA, in Germany, in Israel. Can't read?"
                they think differently there
              4. indy424
                indy424 19 July 2021 19: 49
                +2
                in Israel, more than 50% of the vaccinated. We have had an average of 2 people die a day from the crown for a month. in Russia on average 750 (now it seems more). if we make an adjustment for the number of people (approximately 15 times), then it turns out that we would die of 30 people. that is, about 25 times. this is the price of a "free man" who owes nothing to anyone.
            2. Roman070280
              Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 47
              -3
              if there are many vaccinated, there are significantly fewer deaths.


              Uh-huh .. and that is why now in the Russian Federation every day there is a record mortality ..))
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 17 July 2021 19: 14
            -4
            Quote: prior
            I can argue that the very fact of your existence threatens me and not only me.
            Claim what you want, but you, as the prosecutor, bear the burden of proof that you probably don't have. You will not be burned for this, but Article 128.1 (Slander) is written on your forehead.
        2. Roman070280
          Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 45
          0
          Only the other way around ..))
      2. Kazbek
        Kazbek 18 July 2021 22: 28
        +1
        Quote: aglet
        "Honorable, I wrote that one should not drive in the opposite lane."
        the oncoming lane and the virus are somehow connected?


        Only in the heads of the info-demos! People are ready to eat their own feces in the old age to die from a non-existent infection! At the same time, they kill themselves every day by smoking, drinking, stuffing big macs and fries! Men and women at 35 are like pigs! But they are afraid to die from ARVI! Not being afraid at the same time to inject into the blood an incomprehensible compote from components unknown to them, but after all, they were told on TV (Internet, VKontakte, Twitter or Facebook) that it helps! Truly, the world has gone mad!
    3. Spider
      Spider 17 July 2021 21: 10
      +1
      Dear, if you, personally, were vaccinated, then what are you afraid of? You, now, like behind a stone wall?)))
  • aglet
    aglet 17 July 2021 15: 20
    -4
    "People somehow don't like it when someone exercises their rights at someone else's expense."
    and those who burn, whose rights are exercised? their own, or those who are burned? and do you think that the vaccinated do not burn?
  • prior
    prior 17 July 2021 16: 07
    +5
    Follow your own advice and the coronavirus does not threaten you. You won't even need a vaccination.
    I'm not going to bother you, stop you or dissuade you. And you do not impose your inadequate proposals on me.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 44
    0
    If you want to hang yourself - hang yourself, if you want to jump from the tenth floor - for God's sake, jump.
    If you want to inject drugs, inject ..

    if the way to exercise your right to commit suicide you choose to go to the oncoming lane, then many will object

    That's right !! If you want to kill yourself - do it yourself .. Do not climb into my oncoming lane !!
    After all, I don’t bother you .. I don’t forbid you to inject .. If you like it - please ..
    So why do you bother others and climb into their lane ??
    Inject, and walk calmly .. after all, you are vaccinated ..
  • carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 17 July 2021 16: 00
    +4
    Part 3 of Art. 55 of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, human and civil rights and freedoms can be limited by federal law only to the extent necessary in order to protect the foundations of the constitutional order, morality, health, rights and legitimate interests of others, to ensure the country's defense and state security
  • Hagen
    Hagen 17 July 2021 19: 47
    +6
    Quote: prior
    If a person consults a doctor, treatment should be mandatory.

    Interesting position. So, when, for free for you, the state offers you a way to maintain health, which costs 3000 rubles for him, do you want to declare your right to proudly ignore his concern? And at the same time, when after this "pride" the little bitch looked in your eyes, do you oblige the state to spend millions of rubles on your treatment? I'm crap .... We recently said goodbye to some cultural figures who left us as a result of a hard fight with a disease that could, at least, be significantly alleviated by timely vaccination. Everyone sighed sadly, wept over the loss that befell us. But no one dared to ask and voice the question of how much money from the country's budget and the MHIF was spent on the struggle for their lives as compensation for their obstinate careless attitude to this very life. This is especially prominent in the moments of showing the addresses of parents whose children do not have enough money for the treatment of severe congenital ailments. But this money is not enough, among other things, and because they went to the treatment of such "anti-vaccines". Today I would treat these sick "anti-vaccines" at their expense (minus the price of the vaccination program). That would be fair.
    Quote: prior
    Does a Russian citizen have rights or what?

    Yes, a citizen should have the right. But in equal measure there should be responsibility for oneself and the preservation of the community in contact with him.
    Quote: prior
    Everything else regarding my health can only be advisory - mask, muzzle, gas mask, chastity belt, vaccination, QR code, PCR test. Am I a free man in a free country or roadside dust in a concentration camp?

    This is a very correct question. I would answer you that without a doubt, we must be free people. At the same time, guarantees of state medicine should be offered on a voluntary basis, but for diseases that happen to you from bad habits or as a result of a disregard for the preventive measures of the state, please be kind enough to answer with your financial condition. Something like that, fighters for "human rights".
    1. for
      for 17 July 2021 19: 55
      +4
      Quote: Hagen
      This is especially prominent in the moments of showing the addresses of parents whose children do not have enough money to treat severe congenital ailments. But this money is not enough, among other things, because they went to the treatment of such "anti-vaccines"

      Do you want to say they didn’t collect any money before?
      1. Hagen
        Hagen 17 July 2021 20: 12
        +6
        Quote: for
        Do you want to say they didn’t collect any money before?

        I want to say that covid beds are very much "squandering" the budget of the Ministry of Health and the Federal Medical Insurance Fund. This carelessness is very dear to us. Once Abdulov uttered an unforgettable phrase - "the country of unafraid idiots." Today it approaches Russia as urgently as possible. The saddest thing is that id ... fools do not understand that they are foolish because they are fools. Such a vicious circle, which can only be opened in an evolutionary way. And this path is not very close for us.
        1. for
          for 18 July 2021 07: 28
          +3
          Quote: Hagen
          I want to say that covid beds very much "squander" the budget of the Ministry of Health and the Federal Medical Insurance Fund

          My wife does not even have a card in the clinic (60 years old). How many go there in a pinch.
          1. Hagen
            Hagen 18 July 2021 10: 20
            -3
            Quote: for
            My wife doesn't even have a card in the clinic (60 years old).

            This is not a case to be proud of. At 60, there is something. Another thing is that other ailments begin to be felt sharply at a time when they already become inoperable. In the meantime, there is no severe need, it is necessary in any case to undergo a dispensary examination, without waiting for the "extreme case".
            1. BMP-2
              BMP-2 18 July 2021 11: 29
              +3
              Quote: Hagen
              My wife does not even have a card in the clinic (60 years old). -

              This is not a case to be proud of.

              Sorry, I didn't understand: Are you kidding? That is, the fact that a person lived to be 60 and retained excellent health is no longer a reason for pride ???
            2. Hagen
              Hagen 18 July 2021 12: 19
              -2
              Quote: BMP-2
              Sorry I did not understand:

              Let me explain: the absence of complaints at the age of 60 does not mean that there is no need to undergo a preventive dispensary examination. This only testifies to the fact that "the thunder did not strike." I also had no prerequisites for problems, except for periodic caries laughing and a couple of wounds. But he gave the doctors an opportunity to look at me "in depth", yet there were reasons for "oncological" concern. Thank God in time ... By the time I was 60, I would not have felt anything either, but I would have had to lose part of myself at the operas. table and switch to a "healthy" diet. laughing It’s hard to believe that by the age of 60 a person has everything as at 18. I don’t want to reproach you with anything, but my experience says that "looking inward" can be useful.
            3. for
              for 18 July 2021 12: 30
              0
              Quote: Hagen
              But he gave the doctors the opportunity to look at me "in depth", yet there were reasons for "oncological" concern. Thank God on time.

              They also wanted to chop off a lung "in depth", refused, so they cured it (20 years ago)
            4. Hagen
              Hagen 18 July 2021 12: 36
              0
              Quote: for
              They also wanted to chop off a lung "in depth", refused, so they cured it (20 years ago)

              And who said that medical universities do not graduate from C grade and KVN students? They wanted to send me 30 years ago to disability .... The main thing here is to find "doctors", not "candidates for doctor" who collect their cemetery. laughing
          2. for
            for 18 July 2021 12: 39
            +2
            Quote: Hagen
            I don’t want to reproach you for anything, but my experience says that "looking within" can be useful.

            The less you know the better you sleep.
          3. Hagen
            Hagen 18 July 2021 12: 43
            +1
            Quote: for
            The less you know the better you sleep.

            This is your choice, I will not criticize it. I consider it desirable for myself to end my journey so as not to be a burden to those close to him at the last stages.
          4. for
            for 18 July 2021 12: 57
            +1
            Quote: Hagen
            so as not to be a burden to those close.

            My mom and dad didn’t go to hospitals and didn’t die as a burden to their loved ones.
            I will live as long as it is measured, but I will not carry it around the hospital. Let my money go to the children.
          5. Hagen
            Hagen 18 July 2021 13: 15
            +1
            Quote: for
            My mom and dad didn’t go to hospitals and didn’t die as a burden to their loved ones.

            Unfortunately, mine went away with cancer and strokes .... I want to avoid this.
  • for
    for 18 July 2021 12: 32
    +1
    Of course not, not great. It just doesn't go there.
    She prefers occupational therapy in the country.
  • Hagen
    Hagen 18 July 2021 12: 40
    0
    Quote: for
    Of course not, not great. It just doesn't go there.

    You understand that there are no miracles in life. At our age, a trifle not cured in time can turn into a serious problem tomorrow. And since the age is already respected, then the little thing itself may not "dissolve".
  • mmaxx
    mmaxx 19 July 2021 03: 36
    0
    No need to brag about your health. This usually does not lead to anything good.
    "If everything is going well, then you do not notice something" (c)
  • Skif
    Skif 21 July 2021 12: 42
    +1
    Absolutely agree! And the main problem, in my opinion, is that there is a vaccine in Russia! If it were not for her, our fighters for rights would have raised a screech: "Here in normal countries ....". And since there is a vaccine, we will still be against it.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 17 July 2021 15: 56
    -4
    Quote: aglet
    so you speak for everyone, and you, such all, only 13%. and sure half "at gunpoint"took root
    You will not please with facts, about the "barrel of a pistol". Another conspiracy.
    1. aglet
      aglet 19 July 2021 07: 09
      0
      "You can't please with facts, about the barrel of a pistol."
      non-admission to work of the unvaccinated, is this also conspiracy?
    2. Roman070280
      Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 52
      -1
      You will not please with facts, about the "barrel of a pistol". Another conspiracy.

      And what, did you descend from heaven to earth yesterday ??
      Haven't you heard that they make people inject drugs at work? That you can't go on vacation without a certificate ?? That people even have to forge certificates ..

      Stop pretending to be pancakes ..
  • Skif
    Skif 21 July 2021 12: 31
    +1
    Exactly. I have already heard about the muzzle of pistols (automatic machines) and not so long ago. A familiar song.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 17 July 2021 08: 25
    +13
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    I disagree with you, I voluntarily went and got vaccinated ...

    Lyokha, and yesterday the policemen grabbed me. I was sitting on a bench without a mask ... The protocol was drawn up ...
    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 17 July 2021 08: 53
      +6
      I sympathize smile.
      The fighting position must be chosen taking into account the sudden attack of the enemy ... the escape routes must be thought out in advance.
      At worst, you can depict a basement bum with a bunch of lice, fleas with a warning not to come closer than two meters.
      And always keep a couple of masks in your breast pocket instead of a scarf ... it's cheaper than paying a fine and wasting precious time on a showdown with punitive authorities.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 July 2021 09: 35
        +3
        So I rinsed all their brains out to them. To the head of the personnel department, I say I drew a diploma, to the head of operatives, I solved problems ... Is that what they stuck with me? I sat on a bench, did not touch anyone ...
    2. Esoteric
      Esoteric 17 July 2021 21: 31
      +2
      Where do you have it? In our city, you will hardly see anyone wearing a mask, even in shops without masks. The police on the streets, by the way, are the same.
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  • paul3390
    paul3390 17 July 2021 10: 44
    +5
    Personally, back in April, the whole family was vaccinated .. I really did not want to be in intensive care under mechanical ventilation. I got a couple of friends - judging by the stories, God forbid anyone except Chubais, of course ..
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 17 July 2021 06: 20
    +7
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Lord ... what nonsense ...

    By God, nonsense ... The mask regime and vaccinations are already a year old, even more. What is the meeting between Putin and Biden in terms of ultimatums ??? And so, yes, conduct a survey on the site and that's it. In the end, with or without a virus, we will all be there, no one will get out. I just knew well the people who are no longer there (young 30-45). He also went and got vaccinated when there was enough vaccine in the city. At the same time, I have never done paid tests. How the procedure became transparent and understandable - why not
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 July 2021 06: 26
      +1
      This is not the point. Now there are queues for the vaccine. What prevented you from being vaccinated a month or two ago? Yes, Russian indifference. At what they gave everything. Free vaccine. Vaccination sites are made even in the shopping center. Just go. But laziness.
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 17 July 2021 06: 30
        0
        Quote: carstorm 11
        What prevented you from being vaccinated a month or two ago? Yes, Russian indifference.

        I think there is a slightly different reason. First, before vaccination, they were forced to take a PCR test. And here it is paid (for mere mortals). From 550 to 2800 rubles in the city. Where there was a 550 queue like a mausoleum. Of course, the people were not particularly eager. And the vaccine is, yes, free. As soon as it was announced (somewhere in the last days of June) that the test was not needed, the people went.
        1. Podvodnik
          Podvodnik 17 July 2021 10: 05
          +4
          And the vaccine, yes, free


          Just like Petrosyan's: the jump is free, I only paid for the lease of the bridge ...
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 37
          +1
          Quote: NDR-791

          I think there is a slightly different reason. First, before vaccination, they were forced to take a PCR test

          Where were you forced to take the test? Designate a place? I have not heard a word about tests, although I was vaccinated in March. And the daughter is in February, and also no tests. What are you talking about?
        3. Achilles
          Achilles 18 July 2021 14: 09
          -1
          Quote: NDR-791
          I think there is a slightly different reason. First, before vaccination, they were forced to take a PCR test. And here it is paid (for mere mortals). From 550 to 2800 rubles in the city. Where there was a 550 queue like a mausoleum. Of course, the people were not particularly eager. And the vaccine is, yes, free. As soon as it was announced (somewhere in the last days of June) that the test was not needed, the people went.

          I was vaccinated in February and no one demanded to take a PCR test. I have friends who were vaccinated in January, too, no one demanded.

          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Where were you forced to take the test? Designate a place? I have not heard a word about tests, although I was vaccinated in March. And the daughter is in February, and also no tests. What are you talking about?

          I also wonder where this place is.
        4. mmaxx
          mmaxx 19 July 2021 03: 40
          0
          There was no PCR. This may have been at the stage of experiments. Far away last year. And this year no one was demanded. Stupidity. All those who have been ill in the database.
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 19 July 2021 06: 39
            0
            Quote: mmaxx
            There was no PCR. This may have been at the stage of experiments.

            It depends on the therapist in the hospital. Afraid to make a decision - he sends him to the test. We are afraid.
            Quote: mmaxx
            Stupidity. All those who have been ill in the database.

            What is the base? In the database, only those who have been ill through the hospital !!! And back in January I had no symptoms. And he was not listed in any databases. He just told the doctor that the runny nose lasted a long time and was sent for a test. He spat and didn't go. As the tests were canceled - I went and took root without problems and costs.
            1. mmaxx
              mmaxx 19 July 2021 10: 29
              0
              If you are not included in the statistics, then you are not there. If the test data was positive, then you are in the system.
              And the question is: why go to the therapist for vaccination? Everyone is watching right before vaccination. I would send a therapist with this PCR. Yes, still dashed off the cart. Because it smells like corruption.
              The fact that there is a mess in places is a fact. There is a lack of organizational data in medicine.
              But sign up ANYWHERE and get vaccinated on public services - no problem. There would be a desire.
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 20 July 2021 10: 17
                0
                Quote: mmaxx
                And the question is: why go to the therapist for vaccination?

                At first, this was the order in the region. I do not know why, but I suppose earnings on tests. And this seems to be nothing in the city. And in the villages there are no therapists, it’s not known how long it’s to go to the district and it’s not known how many queues - the people didn’t go anywhere, they sat on the priest exactly at home. There was a lot of foolishness in general. For example, in March-April last year, the local supervision took care of checking those entering the city. BUT!!! Only by planes. Those who came by other ways quietly dispersed around the region. Funny ??? But it's a fact !!!
                Quote: mmaxx
                But sign up ANYWHERE and get vaccinated on public services - no problem.

                When Moscow commanded that it was so easy, ours immediately quieted down, went and did it.
              2. aleksejkabanets
                aleksejkabanets 20 July 2021 10: 31
                +1
                Quote: mmaxx
                And the question is: why go to the therapist for vaccination?

                Have you seen instructions on the use of vaccines on the office sites? For example, stopcoronovirus.rf? So, there are contraindications, in addition, it says in what cases it is necessary to be vaccinated with caution and the doctor must decide on the possibility of vaccination. None of this is being done, and no one takes responsibility for inappropriate use of the vaccine. On the good, vaccination should be carried out only after a comprehensive examination, since a number of diseases, at the initial stages, may be asymptomatic. The authorities do not want to allocate money for this, and medicine is killed, especially in small towns. This is the biggest problem with vaccination. In addition, not all vaccines are available; mainly, only the lobbied "Miss Arbidol" satellite is available. KoviVak, for example, cannot be vaccinated in my city.
            2. your1970
              your1970 21 July 2021 08: 33
              0
              Quote: NDR-791
              And back in January I had no symptoms.

              And where did you get the idea that you were sick kovidom - if asymptomatic and the test was not done ???? !!!!!
      2. mole
        mole 17 July 2021 08: 00
        +1
        He was vaccinated from the 8th time. The first time they said that it was the day of the child, they intended a temperature of 37,0, made a medical outlet (then I got into a conversation with the doctors, it turned out they just wanted to have lunch a little earlier, and then I came). laughing
        At the end of the medical treatment, he himself fell ill. After "recovering", they again gave another medical call.
        After graduation, I came to the clinic three times, they answered that there was no first component, you can complain to the Ministry of Health. After that I stopped calling and started calling. Calls were either answered no or ended yesterday.
        But the day before yesterday I did it. I hope there will be no problems with the second component.
        Here is such a story.
      3. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 July 2021 21: 15
        +3
        Quote: carstorm 11
        Now there are queues for the vaccine.

        I don’t want to shoot drugs ...
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 18 July 2021 21: 29
          -1
          Your business. Then apply the plantain.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 18 July 2021 22: 20
            +2
            I'll put something on it.
        2. aleksejkabanets
          aleksejkabanets 20 July 2021 10: 39
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          I don’t want to shoot drugs ...

          I look at KoviVak, there are old Soviet technologies, not like those of a satellite and others. However, first you need to undergo an examination anyway. On stopcoronovirus.rf, there are instructions for use and there is a lot written about side effects, but they do not want to do an examination before vaccination. And the people will listen to TV that it is "fast and safe" and at the age of 80 they run to get vaccinated without any examinations, with known results. And who is responsible for this is a rhetorical question.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 20 July 2021 11: 13
            +1
            More recently, I read how a man who undergoes a medical examination every six months, and being completely healthy, was vaccinated, after which his blood clot fell off. In general, a lot of horror stories are told. Whether this is due to the vaccine or not, let everyone decide for himself. I don't need such care from the state. Over the past 30 years, I have not seen anything good from him.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 17 July 2021 06: 32
      +18
      Russians once again proved to be the most unpredictable and stubborn people,
      1. DemikSPb
        DemikSPb 17 July 2021 21: 46
        +2
        And in 2023 we will finish off those who are not vaccinated. And in 2028, a new epidemic will begin.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 18 July 2021 01: 25
          0
          Quote: DemikSPb
          And in the year 2028

          Everyone will die, or who will remain the thread? crying
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 July 2021 21: 23
        +1
        and, you, Swede, injected ???





















































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    3. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 18 July 2021 21: 30
      0
      Quote: NDR-791
      ... I just knew well people who are no longer there (young 30-45)

      Uh-huh ... these are weaklings ... I plowed virus in a week. Vomited, that's all.
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 17 July 2021 07: 56
    +7
    "People don't believe in the miracle of vaccines."

    At work, out of ten, two took root. Mass character is not visible.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 39
      +1
      Quote: Marine Engineer
      At work, out of ten, two took root. Mass character is not visible.

      And I have three out of 30 unvaccinated at work. And ALL those who had been ill (five) took root ... But we have Moscow, the situation is worse only in St. Petersburg.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 14: 04
        0
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        And at my work, out of 30 unvaccinated three

        We have vaccinated about half, and then only after threats. The rest took a wait-and-see attitude, and are waiting for a written order that non-vaccinated people will be removed. 20 percent agree to be removed.
  • qQQQ
    qQQQ 17 July 2021 08: 47
    +13
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Here is an example of the third wave and how they ran to put them in droves.

    When they put a gun to their head (various prohibitions without a QR code, and the most important one is to make money), then of course they ran. My question is different, if the authorities need to vaccinate everyone and introduce repressive measures in relation to refuseniks, then why are these fairy tales about freedom of choice? The second question is why it is not clear and clear that everyone is subject to vaccination (with the exception of contraindications), the heads of administrations, together with the chief physicians, should approve the vaccination schedule for enterprises and in orderly rows forward to a brighter future. For six months, they would vaccinate 70 percent for sure. But instead of this, some incomprehensible dances with a tambourine, then voluntary, then all the same forced. Throughout my life, I realized one thing that our power to believe is more precious to me. Probably the rest are also pulling up their personal experience. Although I am a supporter of vaccination, but the opponent of wagging the fifth point of our government in resolving this issue.
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 July 2021 08: 53
      -10%
      I can't say for everyone. Only about myself. My mother was sick in the fall. And as soon as possible I went and did. Because I understand that it is necessary. We ran, yes. And what prevented you from doing something earlier?))) Half a year has passed. But they waited until the crack was given. this is our folk amusement apparently. A magic pendel until the figs arrive who will do what. Well, he flew in with codes and other things.
      1. qQQQ
        qQQQ 17 July 2021 08: 55
        +4
        Quote: carstorm 11
        And what prevented you from doing something earlier?)))

        Once again, in my opinion, the experience of communicating with the authorities, and the very ambiguous (indefinite) policy of the state, hindered.
        1. carstorm 11
          carstorm 11 17 July 2021 08: 58
          -9
          What does power have to do with it?) This is your health and the people around you. You were given the vaccine. Is free. Opportunity. Motivation. By the way, an example from childhood. Under the Soviet Union, we were forcibly vaccinated against ticks at school. With graphs and stuff. We went one at a time straight from the lessons.
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 17 July 2021 10: 53
            +4
            Quote: carstorm 11
            Under the Soviet Union, we were forcibly vaccinated against ticks at school. With graphs and stuff. We went one at a time straight from the lessons.

            Yeah, and even Mantoux won't get your hand wet for a week ... laughing
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 17 July 2021 10: 58
            +17
            Because under the Union - everyone clearly knew that the government - always acts in the interests of the people. It never occurred to anyone to expect nasty things from her. Therefore, by the way, the USSR collapsed - none of us could believe that our own leaders would betray us ...

            Therefore, the vaccination was perceived calmly - it is necessary then it is necessary. For the human good.

            And now - people are firmly convinced that from the top - nothing good can be expected under any circumstances. For 30 years they robbed us and put a bolt on our needs - and then suddenly, like, they decided to take care! Why all of a sudden? So the people began to doubt about the purity of their intentions ..
            1. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 13
              -13%
              Blah blah blah. Your business. Take risks yourself if you like. And the people around you, with what fright should they risk catching something ???
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 17
                +1
                Blah blah - it's in your head. Judging by the ejected results. And I personally - even at the beginning of spring I took root and forced all my acquaintances.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 19
                  -14%
                  Well, right. They could have started with this and not with slogans and the conversation would have been extremely short.)
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 21
                    +6
                    I'm trying to explain why the people have such a rejection of vaccination, although it seemed - the usefulness is obvious. And the experience of the last 150 years proves it.
                    1. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 25
                      -14%
                      Yes, there is no rejection) maybe, do not care, laziness. These are the pillars of this action. There is still then, no time, hot, rain and other excuses. During this pandemic, I have not yet met someone who specifically and fundamentally refuses to vaccinate)))
                    2. paul3390
                      paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 28
                      +11
                      And I have met a lot of them. Moreover, even among doctors. Who on principle refused to get vaccinated and did not advise their clients. There are two main arguments - incomplete testing cycle and lack of evidence of benefit.
                    3. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 31
                      -7
                      I do not deny this. There is such a thing. But my wife is also a doctor and took root before me))) 5 minutes earlier)
                    4. paul3390
                      paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 37
                      +20
                      Add to this the complete inconsistency and idiocy of the authorities' actions. How so - you can't go to a cafe, but you can go to a minibus! You can't go to an opposition rally - but you can go to a Zaputin meeting! And without masks. In St. Petersburg, vaaaasche trash and frenzy - in the midst of a pandemic, hold a championship and Scarlet Sails! And then broadcast about a sharp surge in diseases .. Well, this is just some kind of schizo gives away ...

                      I am already silent about the holiday season and the opening of Turkey with Egypt. This is generally far beyond the bounds of good and evil. Forgive me - but they don't fight against pandemics like this ..

                      Hence the doubts.
                    5. Asad
                      Asad 18 July 2021 09: 11
                      +1
                      Your spouse has been ill with covid? Did you take an antibody test before vaccination?
                    6. carstorm 11
                      carstorm 11 18 July 2021 09: 16
                      0
                      Mom was ill. In November.
                2. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 July 2021 11: 38
                  +3
                  Quote: paul3390
                  There are two main arguments - incomplete testing cycle and lack of evidence of benefit.

                  And who was able to documentarily refute these arguments? Without howling about mechanical ventilation and other stories about familiar acquaintances? But just dry numbers and scientific calculations?
                3. paul3390
                  paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 41
                  +1
                  No one. Nobody argues with this. And you will howl when you get under the notorious mechanical ventilation.

                  Well, you do not like the newfangled vaccines - who prevents you from being vaccinated with Kovivac? It would seem that this is a technique that has been tested over 150 years with excellent results! As a child, you were injected with a full set of the same vaccines - and what, it prevented you from living your life?
                4. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 July 2021 11: 46
                  +8
                  Quote: paul3390
                  As a child, you were injected with a full set of the same vaccines - and what, it prevented you from living your life?

                  As a child, they drove me into the fact that a full cycle of tests and checks had passed .. or do you think that these checks and tests were invented in order to have something to gossip about on the Internet? Or you don’t think the vaccine is a medicine?
                5. paul3390
                  paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 49
                  +1
                  We analyze peaceful conditions. Here is a technology that has been tested for decades, according to which a virus is conditionally boiled to a dead state and injected into a patient. It works - we all experienced it ourselves. What difference does it make to you - to cook a virus, say smallpox or corona ?? The technology is the same!
                6. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 July 2021 11: 55
                  +5
                  Quote: paul3390
                  We analyze peaceful conditions. Here is a technology that has been tested for decades, according to which a virus is conditionally boiled to a dead state and injected into a patient.

                  Is this a vector vaccine "proven for decades"?
                  So it means that vaccines for all sorts of poliomyelitis and other rubella have been tested and tested for almost ten years in vain? ..
                7. paul3390
                  paul3390 17 July 2021 11: 59
                  +1
                  I'm talking about Kovivak as an alternative to those who do not believe in Sputnik.

                  And I don't really understand what you are offering in return. Wait 10 years until you are fully convinced of safety? Are you sure the planet can afford it?
                8. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 July 2021 12: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  I'm talking about Kovivak as an alternative to those who do not believe in Sputnik.

                  Has he passed all the test cycles? How many generations of pregnant mice are needed to raise the offspring?
                9. paul3390
                  paul3390 17 July 2021 12: 08
                  +1
                  How you pulled me up ... Technology is good because it allows you to make different products on its basis. Otherwise, mankind would have produced any object individually, and then tested each spearhead for 10 years beforehand - what if this particular instance of a mammoth does not kill properly?
                10. mat-vey
                  mat-vey 17 July 2021 12: 17
                  +2
                  Quote: paul3390
                  The technology is good because it allows you to make different products on its basis.

                  Well, stamp aluminum using the steel stamping technology - what will you do with a solid marriage?
                  So, in your opinion, the TECHNOLOGY of testing new medical products and medicines can be neglected? Or do you have a selective approach here?
                  Quote: paul3390
                  and then each spearhead was tested for 10 years - what if this particular specimen of the mammoth does not kill properly?

                  These are just all the test and verification methods designed so that this particular drug can be produced in large quantities without checking each batch and FOR DETECTING CONTRAINDICATIONS ..
              2. fyvaprold
                fyvaprold 17 July 2021 15: 49
                -5
                Quote: mat-vey
                Has he passed all the test cycles? How many generations of pregnant mice are needed to raise the offspring?

                Where did you graduate from the Faculty of Microbiology? What discoveries in the field of virology have been made? Badge-fly, every first "virologist". And yet, yes, all the cycles are completed. About decades of testing - this is in favor of the poor, however, all doubters probably should not be vaccinated.
              3. mat-vey
                mat-vey 17 July 2021 17: 55
                +4
                Quote: fyvaprold
                Where did you graduate from the Faculty of Microbiology?

                What are you wearing?
                Quote: fyvaprold
                Decades of testing is in favor of the poor

                This is in favor of those who can read - for about ten and a decade these are different things ..
                Quote: fyvaprold
                And yet, yes, all the cycles are passed.

                Will there be proof? Or is it just for those who graduated from honey or biophage?
                Quote: fyvaprold
                What discoveries in the field of virology have been made?

                Imagine - if you know how to read, you can use the discoveries of others ..
          3. Esoteric
            Esoteric 17 July 2021 21: 41
            +3
            The planet survived the Spanish flu. It really was an epidemic.
        2. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 48
          +1
          Quote: mat-vey
          So it means that vaccines for all sorts of poliomyelitis and other rubella have been in vain for almost ten years?

          Don't talk about polio! When the epidemic hit, the trials quickly accelerated ...
        3. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 July 2021 18: 56
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Don't talk about polio! When the epidemic hit, the trials quickly accelerated ...

          I was asked a question about the education of a virologist, how is it with you?
          And I use the discoveries and achievements of others ... so there are two of them and not one has been tested for less than 3 years ..
        4. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 59
          +1
          Quote: mat-vey
          I was asked a question about the education of a virologist, how is it with you?

          Personally, I KNOW about poliomyelitis, because I fell under that epidemic. Before vaccination. I was lucky, I was not crippled, but I was interested and dug about the vaccine and its appearance.
        5. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 July 2021 19: 02
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          but he was interested, and dug about the vaccine and its appearance.

          Well, then they should know about both that about eight years have passed for one from the "invention" to the completion of testing and application, for the other about three ...
          And yes, although I'm not a biologist, I know (oddly enough) that viruses are different ..
        6. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 19: 05
          0
          Quote: mat-vey
          about eight years have passed, the other has about three

          Everything was even more cunning there. The tests went terribly sluggish, and they did not start production. And then the American researcher passed it on to his Soviet colleague. And we have an epidemic in 1958 ... And they put it into operation ...
        7. mat-vey
          mat-vey 17 July 2021 19: 08
          +1
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          Everything was even more cunning there. The tests went terribly sluggish, and they did not start production. And then the American researcher passed it on to his Soviet colleague. And we have an epidemic in 1958 ... And they put it into operation ..

          I don't know about these details - thanks for broadening my horizons ... But I heard about the epidemic .. and even felt echoes on myself ..
          And the Americans still used one vaccine, first in Africa, massively, and only then ..
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 July 2021 18: 46
    +2
    Quote: mat-vey
    ? Or do you not consider a vaccine for a medicine?

    Of course, a vaccine is not a cure! And a way to prevent the body from infection. If you get infected, it is too late to inject.
  • mat-vey
    mat-vey 17 July 2021 18: 50
    +1
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Of course, a vaccine is not a cure!

    Medicinal product, medicinal product, medication, medicine - a substance or a mixture of substances of synthetic or natural origin in the form of a dosage form, used for the prevention, diagnosis and treatment of diseases.
  • minus
    minus 18 July 2021 08: 02
    +1
    Ummm ... Yes, yes, yes ... In my city, 300 doses of Kovivac have been delivered over the past couple of months ... Was that enough for everyone?
  • Spider
    Spider 17 July 2021 21: 24
    +7
    I, Vladimir Vladimirovich Klimenko, captain of the 2nd rank of the reserve, refuse to "vaccinate", specifically and in principle.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 17 July 2021 14: 42
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    And the people around you, with what fear should they risk catching something ???
    Vaccinated people are also carriers of the virus. It's just that they are more likely to have mild or asymptomatic illness.
    1. SHURUM -BURUM
      SHURUM -BURUM 17 July 2021 15: 35
      +8
      "... The vaccinated are also carriers of the virus ..." But those who were asymptomatic, as it turns out, also acquired antibodies, only without vaccination, just like the vaccinated. What is the difference? Vaccine - it does not kill the virus. Both are carriers. But now, those who have had an asymptomatic illness (i.e. without visible symptoms) are trying to turn into demons that pose a danger to others. I guess this is not a big deal. In my opinion, people who have had asymptomatic illness should become subject of scientific study, because it is necessary to investigate how they developed natural immunity. That is exactly THIS will make humanity little susceptible to this infection.
      1. DemikSPb
        DemikSPb 17 July 2021 21: 43
        0
        It is cheaper and faster to vaccinate everyone who is not vaccinated than to identify every asymptomatic person. Moreover, since he suffered without symptoms, then he himself does not know. Or a positive PCR test.
        1. Borisych1973
          Borisych1973 18 July 2021 23: 18
          +1
          It is cheaper to massively instill the population with the state than to treat the "heavy" and introduce lockdowns, etc. Simple economy. In addition, vaccination is a great way for the "right" people to make money, and we shouldn't forget about that - one more reason for vaccine hysteria. And not only in Russia, in general in the world.
  • Roman070280
    Roman070280 19 July 2021 09: 58
    -1
    Blah blah blah. Your business. Take risks yourself if you like.


    Take risks .. inject .. If you like ..

    And the people around you, with what fear should they risk catching something ???
    What people?? Those that are grafted ?? They are now immortal ..))

    Shl .. stupid logic .. pricked .. like secured themselves .. And now they run after everyone, make them do the same ..
  • astepanov
    astepanov 17 July 2021 14: 58
    0
    Quote: paul3390
    Because under the Union - everyone clearly knew that the government - always acts in the interests of the people.
    You knew that. And I saw a great many examples when the authorities acted only in their own interests, or simply according to a template - to the detriment of both themselves and the people. But, I must admit, she acted clearly and tough, without spreading snot. Vaccination means for everyone, as a pioneer - according to the plan, instead of working "for potatoes" or repairing tram tracks - and fuck you. And now they chew snot instead of shuffling and using power.
    And the article is shoddy: rituals with a dance in the style of Prokhanov, empty declarations, behind which there is nothing, and outright lies.
    People don't believe in the miraculousness of vaccines.
    It's not just Russians who don't believe in the miraculousness of vaccines. Supernatural no one has promised anywhere, and there is no need to distort. But we are characterized by gullibility and intellectual laziness. Here, at VO, at least half of them believe in the possibility of "chipping" by vaccination, believe in UFOs, FTL ships, clairvoyance and other nonsense. Half are willingly treated with homeopathy and fuflomycins like anaferon. Our ignorance is off the charts. With such savagery, if you don't have your own brains, you should ask experts for advice, but we ourselves with a mustache - just yesterday I read here how an inarticulate uncle with a bunch of grammatical errors teaches Einstein!
    Once again I say: the administration of the site indulges the ignorant and provocateurs, allowing such articles. This is sad.
    1. Esoteric
      Esoteric 17 July 2021 22: 01
      +1
      tongue-tied uncle with a bunch of grammatical errors teaches Einstein!

      How do you like Vladimir Akimovich Atsukovsky? Seemingly not a completely stupid person.
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 19 July 2021 10: 37
        0
        Quote: Ezoterik
        How do you like Vladimir Akimovich Atsukovsky? Seemingly not a completely stupid person.

        Rogozin is also not a stupid person, and even "gravity" Atsyukovsky blazed into space - only the result was zero: it did not work. However, the result was still, the whole world had a lot of fun.
        Rogozin is also a doctor of technical sciences, and he has never studied these sciences, the topic of his dissertation is unknown, there are no publications on technical sciences in the open access, the abstract has not been published. A typical example of "a thesis to order" and the venality of the Higher Attestation Commission.
        1. Esoteric
          Esoteric 19 July 2021 18: 28
          0

          Everything with him is obvious. Another thing is interesting. On the question in the search engine - "Scientists are opponents of the theory of relativity" there is no return. Only articles about genius, consummation, etc., etc.
          And there are many opponents of this theory, and among them there are many world-famous scientists, both living and living now.
          1. astepanov
            astepanov 19 July 2021 22: 35
            +1
            If you are in the know, you should know: theories (or rather, hypotheses), alternative SRT, dozens. But they all give calculated results, which, firstly, are extremely close to those in Einstein's STR, and secondly, the differences are so small that modern experimental methods will not allow checking the correctness. Why is no one seriously considering other alternatives? Because they do not correspond to the available experimental material.
            To an even greater extent, what has been said applies to general relativity.
    2. Single-n
      Single-n 18 July 2021 23: 40
      0
      Considering that Anaferon has a license issued legally and following all the necessary procedures (at least no one has canceled it yet), then you are now an obscurantist who does not believe in official medicine. To believe in a UFO is that? There are no unidentified flying objects? That is, no one will encounter an object or phenomenon that cannot be identified? Yes, astronomers are head over heels in these UFOs. It's funny about superlight. Here the best physicists of the planet break spears, but the VO commentator already knows everything. Forgive me, how many scientific and peer-reviewed articles on this topic? Can you share the link?
      1. astepanov
        astepanov 19 July 2021 10: 12
        0
        Quote: Single-n
        Considering that Anaferon has a license issued legally and following all the necessary procedures (at least no one has canceled it yet), then you are now an obscurantist who does not believe in official medicine

        Statistical analysis of randomized trials of pediatric anaferon does not show any significant effect in the treatment of ARVI (colds), as expected based on the lack of active substance [http://osdm.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Anaferon_NNKB. pdf, p. 218]. It is included in the standard of the Ministry of Health for use among children with meningeal form of severe tick-borne encephalitis, for which there are no drugs, and the only way of prevention is vaccination [https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-42746192].
        At the end of 2017, he was awarded an anti-prize from the Ministry of Education and Science as the most harmful pseudoscientific project pseudoscientific homeopathy "classifies anaferon (and a number of other drugs of Materia Medica Holding) to" hidden homeopathy ", since the manufacturer does not inform the consumer that the substances included in the drug are in it in homeopathic doses. At the same time, the drug was recognized as the brand of the year in Russia three times.
        Anaferon does not help against influenza, since it does not contain a single atom of the active substance. If you knew the basics of chemistry, you could calculate it yourself, based on the composition. Finally, NONE of the independent trials of anaferon have been performed.
        Quote: Single-n
        There are no unidentified flying objects?
        Calm down, there are flying, and crawling, and jumping. Just where did you get the idea that these are aliens? If you are standing on the balcony, and something flew from above and you did not have time to see it, then it is more reasonable to assume that it was a crow, and not an alien, who shit.
        Quote: Single-n
        It's funny about superlight. Here the best physicists of the planet break spears, but the VO commentator already knows everything. Forgive me, how many scientific and peer-reviewed articles on this topic? Can you share the link?
        Honorable, you will share a link to any article (but not on Yandex-bzdyn), where the results of observations of superluminal motion are considered. A century has passed since Michelson's experiments, the sensitivity of the Ligo interferometer is higher than that of Michelson, by many orders of magnitude - but the results are the same. Yes, I am not a theoretical physicist, but I have been in science for five decades and I know how it is done and what can be trusted and what cannot. You can run around with the nonsense of Leonov, Atsyukhovsky and Rogozin as much as you like, but nothing changes from this: what they declare exists only in their (and your) sick imagination.
  • Esoteric
    Esoteric 17 July 2021 21: 48
    0
    Because under the Union - everyone clearly knew that the government always acts in the interests of the people

    Well yes. It was the people who decided that they did not need the right to freely choose their place of residence, they really wanted to be "registered".
    It was also obviously in the interests of the people that it was impossible for this people to buy, for example, a house in the village, with honestly earned money.
  • Morris812
    Morris812 18 July 2021 12: 01
    0
    They just do not understand that from a flock from which wool is sheared, suddenly there will be no wool if there is an epidemic in the flock.
  • your1970
    your1970 21 July 2021 08: 42
    0
    Quote: paul3390
    Because under the Union - everyone clearly knew that the government always acts in the interests of the people

    When the monetary reforms of the 40s and 1961 were carried out - by cutting incomes of the population - was this also in the interests of the people?
    Or when the production rates (before Novocherkassk) were raised throughout the country - was that also in the interests of the people?
    Remember Khrushchevsky joke about
    "- right now they will catch you, hang a flashlight on your forehead and force you to mow at night" ??
    Also in the name of the interests of the people?
  • Marine engineer
    Marine engineer 17 July 2021 09: 11
    +4
    "... the experience of communicating with the authorities, and the very ambiguous (indefinite) policy of the state, hindered."

    Everything is correct. Everyone who is used to doing it on their own thinks so.
  • Baloo
    Baloo 17 July 2021 21: 00
    0
    Quote: qqqq
    Quote: carstorm 11
    And what prevented you from doing something earlier?)))

    Once again, in my opinion, the experience of communicating with the authorities, and the very ambiguous (indefinite) policy of the state, hindered.

    good drinks hi
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 18 July 2021 21: 35
    0
    I was ill in the fall. Send you why with your vaccination.
  • Captain45
    Captain45 17 July 2021 10: 51
    +1
    Quote: qqqq
    The second question is why it is not clear and clear that everyone is subject to vaccination (with the exception of contraindications), the heads of administrations, together with the chief doctors, approve the vaccination schedule for enterprises and in orderly rows forward to a brighter future. For six months, they would vaccinate 70 percent for sure. But instead of this, some incomprehensible dances with a tambourine, then voluntary, then all the same forced.

    I remember in 95 or 96, too, some kind of vaccination had to be done, the people could barely walk, the head of the department at the meeting ordered the chief officers to take a list of vaccinated in the clinic and those who did not have the vaccine - those were on vacation in December. After leaving the Lenkomnata, the entire department went through the OK, where 2 nurses from the polyclinic sat and got vaccinated. And nobody resented the coercion. And why? In my humble opinion, because there was no Internet and no one hammered the brains of people with various nonsense, it is harmful, not harmful. And they did it slowly because there was no time, daily reports of crimes in the "duty room" were sometimes floor-length. And now, in the wake of this information flow, everyone has become smart, experts in any field, for which, damn it, every gopher is an agronomist.
    1. bk0010
      bk0010 17 July 2021 14: 47
      +1
      How infuriates you that people are not a herd ... And the boss had to be rewarded with the whole team once, so that he felt responsible for his decisions.
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 18 July 2021 21: 16
      +1
      Quote: Captain45
      And nobody resented the coercion. And why?

      And even now no one would be indignant if the authorities clearly said - it is obligatory, but it was said - voluntarily, and if so, then what kind of repression can there be? If no one wants to take responsibility, then it turns out that not everything is so simple. In general, the state itself is to blame, regardless of the reason, for the failure of vaccination. People were considered rams, deciding that we do not need to know much, hence the rejection. Our people have already been taught by the care of the state.
  • paul3390
    paul3390 17 July 2021 10: 52
    +6
    Because the first thing - it was necessary to publicly and forcibly vaccinate our type of upper class. All EP in full force, officials, deputies, oligarchs, etc. .. And all their families. Then - and we, orphans, you look and reach out, inspired by an example ..

    Evon from smallpox - Catherine II made the first for herself and the heir to the throne. And then all the nobility without exception - rushed to get vaccinated .. Because there are situations when the leaders by personal example must convince people of the correctness of the proposed solution. And ours - for how long he chewed his snot, and then he was also mincing - like, but I will not say what I was grafted into. The intrigue is like this. Ugh..
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ 18 July 2021 21: 19
      +1
      Quote: paul3390
      Because the first thing - it was necessary to publicly and forcibly vaccinate our type of upper class. All EP in full force, officials, deputies, oligarchs, etc. .. And all their families.

      That's right, they had to demonstrate how the whole type of "elite" together with their families makes vaccinations, it would be much clearer than any campaigning. But the pretense, like "I will not tell" it is not at all clear what was and most importantly why.
  • bk0010
    bk0010 17 July 2021 14: 40
    +4
    Quote: qqqq
    The second question is why it is not clear and clear that everyone is subject to vaccination (with the exception of contraindications), the heads of administrations, together with the chief physicians, should approve the vaccination schedule for enterprises and in orderly rows forward to a brighter future.
    Vaccines have not been tested (all, foreign ones, were also adopted according to an abbreviated version). If there are long-term consequences, you will demand compensation and treatment, and they will tell you "What, Putin personally forcibly forced you to be vaccinated? Voluntarily went! Well, crawl out of here."
    1. qQQQ
      qQQQ 18 July 2021 21: 21
      +2
      Quote: bk0010
      Vaccines have not been tested (all, foreign ones, were also adopted according to an abbreviated version). If there are long-term consequences, you will demand compensation and treatment, and they will tell you "What, Putin personally forcibly forced you to be vaccinated? Voluntarily went! Well, crawl out of here."

      I understand all this, and most likely people too, hence the result of vaccination. In general, everyone, as always, wanted to enter heaven on someone else's hump.
  • Doccor18
    Doccor18 17 July 2021 09: 36
    +4
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Jesus ... what nonsense ... Do a survey here on the site and see how Russians avoid vaccinations.

    Exactly, nonsense and parallel reality ...
    The Russians are sabotaging the construction of a "brave new world", they do not want to exchange freedom (will) for imaginary security.

    They are so "sabotaged" that the appointment is a month in advance, the queues at the vaccination points, the vaccine is not enough ...
    And all that it was necessary to threaten certain categories of inadmissibility to work and that's it ... "the ice has broken" ...
    1. Marine engineer
      Marine engineer 17 July 2021 09: 54
      +5
      If we talk about production, then "the ice has broken" ... for all accounting departments, personnel departments and other office workers, those who are on the ground met the threat of suspension from work with mocking ridicule "Remove the cleaner
      from work - you yourself will go to the toilet to shake out the pieces of paper from the bucket and scrub the latrines, ”and further on according to specialties.
      1. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 17
        -2
        This magic pendel was needed. On the other it comes tight. All you have to do is just go and do it. But no. The Sabbath began. World war through a pandemic. Submission blah blah blah. This badge is just a vaccine !!!
      2. Doccor18
        Doccor18 17 July 2021 11: 46
        +1
        Quote: Marine Engineer
        those who are on the ground met the threats of suspension from work with mocking mockery “Remove the cleaning lady

        I do not know who was there where "mockingly grinned", but for these categories
        - trade;
        - beauty salons, cosmetic, spa salons, massage salons, tanning salons, baths, saunas, fitness centers, fitness clubs, swimming pools;
        - consumer services, including laundries, dry cleaners and other similar services;
        - Catering;
        - client departments of financial organizations, organizations providing postal services;
        - multifunctional centers for the provision of state and municipal services;
        - public transport, taxis;
        - education, health care, social protection and social services;
        - housing and communal services and energy;
        - cultural, exhibition, educational events (including museums, exhibition halls, libraries, lectures, trainings), with the exception of official events organized by executive authorities;
        - leisure, entertainment, entertainment activities (including game activities, master classes);
        - children's playrooms, children's entertainment centers, children's day camps, other venues for similar events for minors in buildings, structures, facilities (premises in them), including in parks of culture and recreation, shopping and entertainment centers;
        - theaters, cinemas, concert halls;
        - mass physical culture, sports events;
        and the percentage of cleaners there is not very large, and all the rest walked in slender columns towards the vaccination centers, because looming ahead was not the most complacent prospect - going on indefinite unpaid leave ...
        1. Marine engineer
          Marine engineer 17 July 2021 16: 15
          +7
          "Grinned mockingly ..."
          - ship fitter;
          - welder;
          - collector;
          - rigger;
          - electrician;
          - and others on whose shoulders our military-industrial complex rests.
          On threats, "Agitators" were told that compulsory vaccination was condemned by the Nuremberg Tribunal
          1. Doccor18
            Doccor18 17 July 2021 20: 30
            -1
            Quote: Marine Engineer
            - ship fitter;
            - welder;
            - collector;
            - rigger;
            - electrician;

            In my commentary above, I gave you all categories of citizens who need to be vaccinated.
            99% of them are social workers, not industrial workers.
            These are people who work with people. Least of all this concerns riggers, welders, machine operators and shipbuilders ...
            1. Esoteric
              Esoteric 17 July 2021 22: 08
              +2
              And this is because it is very difficult to find an intelligent welder, and it is not possible to get him to get vaccinated if he does not want to. He will spit and quit. The boss won't get up to the welding machine, will he? And the same will not go to a lathe. And these managers are like mosquitoes in a swamp.
              So the bosses have to endure the "willfulness" of the proletariat.
              ,
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 18 July 2021 21: 25
      +1
      Quote: Doccor18
      And all that it was necessary to threaten certain categories of inadmissibility to work and that's it ... "the ice has broken" ...

      In total, it was necessary once again not to lie to people about voluntariness, but to say unequivocally about the compulsory vaccination, to approve the vaccination plan. In six months, vaccinate everyone and calm down on this.
  • fyvaprold
    fyvaprold 17 July 2021 15: 43
    -1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Lord ... what nonsense ...

    This is not nonsense, this is common conspiracy... The pandemic is a fiction, but I suppose everyone will have friends who either suffered a "non-existent" virus or died altogether, which was not observed in previous years with the "usual" flu. Plus the author of ̶н̶а̶т̶я̶н̶ул̶ ̶с̶о̶в̶у̶ ̶н̶а̶ ̶г̶л̶о̶б̶у̶с̶ dragged Putin, Biden and the mythical ultimatum. Yes, not everyone is given self-isolation without consequences, some may need specialized help from doctors with a different specialization than virologists. It's all regrettable.
    1. mat-vey
      mat-vey 17 July 2021 18: 10
      +2
      Quote: fyvaprold
      which was not observed in previous years with "normal" influenza.

      When did you make such a discovery?
      "Mortality from respiratory illness associated with seasonal influenza can be very high. In particular, a 2017 study found that globally, the annual number of such deaths could be as high as 650, including up to 000 in the WHO European Region."
      About 1 million died from the Hong Kong, about 2 million from the "Asian", more than 100 million from the Spanish.
      And in order to "learn" this, you don't have to be either a virologist or an epidemiologist ..
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 18 July 2021 12: 07
        -1
        Here, in my environment, there are already three skillfully. And I would not say that I would be absolutely advanced years. Something I have not seen such a case before with the flu ..
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 18 July 2021 12: 19
          +2
          Quote: paul3390
          Something I have not seen such a case before with the flu ..

          And I haven't seen such an optimized medicine before ... Just how does this affect the fact that what side effects are and will be so, no one can say so far, and the fact that the risk groups for the vaccine have not yet been determined? Medical ethics have you heard? There is such a concept - do no harm. The doctor must know and understand what the risk for the patient is the smallest. And how do you think a real doctor should base his decision on? On the order of an official?
    2. qQQQ
      qQQQ 18 July 2021 21: 29
      0
      Quote: fyvaprold
      or those who had a hard time with the "non-existent" virus, or died altogether, which was not observed in previous years with the "usual" flu.

      I will probably reveal a terrible secret, but SARS has been going on for ten years for sure and a lot of people die from it. Tests for covid are being done only now, so it is not known that it has been like this since 2010.
  • vlad.baryatinsky
    vlad.baryatinsky 17 July 2021 18: 18
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Jesus ... what nonsense ... Do a survey here on the site and see how Russians avoid vaccinations.

    It is not only Russia that avoids vaccination.
    Vaughn Paris, blazes from July 14. Demonstrators against forced vaccination.
    In the Netherlands, seven weeks have calmed down. After the Queen Mother (abandoned the throne in favor of her son), she said: no one will be forcibly vaccinated.
    And so, Apeldoorn, Utrecht and partially The Hague with Amsterdam also protested.
    Now on the topic. Personally, I'm not sure, and frankly, I won't get vaccinated.
    BUT (!), Introduce draconian measures.
    Vaccinated on vacation, refueling in Germany.
    Until recently, also only vaccinated and in additions not more than 48 hours old, negative PCR.
    Now the truth has been canceled.
    Even in a brothel, test results are required. And so, neither.
    Now for the surrounding. The wealthy are usually aged or elderly people.
    35-40 %%, hard no!
    Middle class, about 50 = 50 %%.
    People of modest income, 65%, solid yes!
  • Spider
    Spider 17 July 2021 20: 53
    0
    People, in principle, are mortal, so what now?)))
  • Baloo
    Baloo 17 July 2021 21: 15
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Lord ... what nonsense ...

    Precisely, nonsense. From open sources: the first cases in the United States and Italy, and not in Wuhan, several US military personnel have already arrived there sick, and later the virus was sown on a batch of frozen fish from Europe. Work on coronaviruses began in 1999 in the states. The goal of the pandemic is the global economic crisis, so that the ruined countries ran to ask for money from the Federal Reserve (USA) and BIS (Bank for International Settlements, Switzerland). Thus, economically and politically destabilized countries lose their sovereignty and become under the control of transnational companies (Ukraine-300 thousand hectares in lease from monsanta for GMOs, and a week ago the sale of land in Ukraine to foreigners was allowed-70% of the land !!!!). In an industrial society, robots will replace humans; humans will be needed to service robots. Hence this legend about the golden billion. 400 American biological laboratories around the world, dozens in the countries of the former USSR around Russia with the American military under diplomatic cover, what are they doing? Entering a Trojan Horse - with American money, Americans are building biolabs for the alleged study of endemic diseases. True, local outbreaks of incomprehensible diseases occur periodically in these gullible countries, so this is global warming.
    If you want to live happily ever after, get vaccinated. There are already about 100 covid-19 vaccines in the world, the most reliable and safest satellite and covivac. Three more are on the way, adapted for new strains. No vaccine guarantees 100% (Cubans are bluffing) success and no side effects. But the vaccinated, even if they get sick, have every chance of surviving, they are treated in general wards and do not reach mechanical ventilation. Alas, the virus mutates, and mutates, becoming angrier, on the weakened, not vaccinated.
  • Flashpoint
    Flashpoint 18 July 2021 10: 49
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Jesus ... what nonsense ... Do a survey here on the site and see how Russians avoid vaccinations. We just have everything working according to the principle - the thunder will not break out, the man will not cross himself. What does it mean to believe or not? Here is an example of the third wave and how they ran to put them in droves. Wait. Two months ago, 30 people in the city fell ill a day now 350. I can not understand this supposedly masochism, and even Samsonov glorified ???
    People don't believe vaccines are miraculous. "The Russians are sabotaging the construction of a 'brave new world', they do not want to exchange freedom (will) for imaginary security." What is this new savagery ??? Damn people are dying. Do you even have a gram of conscience?

    There are also real reasons for refusal.
    For now, I had to refuse vaccination for medical reasons, it’s definitely not possible for another month.
    Otherwise, you can grab a relapse and all the treatment is down the drain.
  • rudolff
    rudolff 17 July 2021 06: 29
    +6
    Y-yes ... direct letters from the sixth chamber! Well, okay, the author is not entirely adequate, but why do the moderators skip such articles? It's a clinic!
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  • tasha
    tasha 17 July 2021 07: 26
    0
    We have already vaccinated 20% of the total population and there is a queue for two weeks ahead.
    1. aglet
      aglet 17 July 2021 15: 08
      +1
      "We have already vaccinated 20% of the total population and there is a queue for two weeks ahead."
      where are you living?.
      1. tasha
        tasha 17 July 2021 15: 53
        0
        And we are not alone. For example, in the Novosibirsk region (total 2 million 800 thousand inhabitants), as of July 15, 522 656 people were vaccinated with the first component, 385 934 patients underwent a full course ...
  • Thrifty
    Thrifty 17 July 2021 08: 10
    -2
    And it is impossible for the article to make a huge minus ??? Big nonsense, than in this ridiculous order I have not read yet! The author would not hurt to know that the authorities, rushing as always, to sell vaccines abroad, thought of the Russian man as the last thing, in the end vaccinaphia was turned into a theater. For example, my Rostov region, where the beginning of vaccination with a crash failed, instead of the declared ten points of vaccination, two worked, with a pitiful heap of vaccines, and it was like that all over the country! We were accustomed to queuing at doctors, so they did not even really manage to organize vaccinations! according to reports, millions of people live in the regions, and thousands of vaccines come in, maximum tens of thousands of doses! Rotten display of a zombie, as well as false advertising that there are a lot of vaccines, everything will be done quickly and efficiently, you just need to look at the statistics, how often "vaccination points "they are shutting down for lack of a vaccine! It was the inability of the authorities to organize a quick vaccination of the population in the country that led to the opposite effect, when the population was tired of queues and lies about quick and high-quality vaccination.
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 17 July 2021 08: 37
      -4
      Quote: Thrifty
      And it is impossible for the article to make a huge minus ??? Big nonsense than in this ridiculous order I have not read yet!.

      When I read the title of the article and the photo to it, I thought about the fight against the pandemic in Africa, and here it is, like ...
  • Kolin
    Kolin 17 July 2021 08: 13
    0
    The haloperidol bucket enema cries for the author.
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  • parusnik
    parusnik 17 July 2021 08: 25
    +2
    It seems that today is not Friday, to arrange a "sabbath" smile
  • Lara Croft
    Lara Croft 17 July 2021 08: 26
    -3
    I have never read such nonsense here since 2011, the author apparently keeps "hotbeds" at home, this can be written after something hard ...
  • A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 17 July 2021 08: 47
    +5
    Be that as it may, the people on the topic are a humorist in full:
    - Why don't you put on a parachute?
    - Oh, well, there can be all sorts of side effects - rub your back, something else, and there is no 100% guarantee, suddenly it will not open ...


    1. Dimy4
      Dimy4 17 July 2021 11: 18
      +7
      Today you are without antibodies, but tomorrow you want to join NATO! (From the vastness of the Internet)
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 17 July 2021 11: 33
      -4
      I just, for let not be vaccinated, watch all sorts of "gurus" in Tik Tok. I live in Sochi. And I, like in that cartoon about a hippopotamus, injected and went. What is the problem, I don't understand?
      1. aglet
        aglet 17 July 2021 15: 11
        -2
        ". What is the problem, I don't understand?"
        well, maybe you will understand later?
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 17 July 2021 15: 33
          0
          It is your turn to make a decision, I made it and I do not regret! I have a full international certificate of these vaccinations! If you are faced with this for the first time, in time you will understand. Only it would be too late for you, it would not be.
          1. aglet
            aglet 17 July 2021 15: 36
            +2
            "It's your turn to make a decision."
            I made this decision a long time ago, even without your advice
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 17 July 2021 15: 37
              -2
              And what did you understand?
    3. bk0010
      bk0010 17 July 2021 14: 49
      +2
      Well, vaccinated citizen of a vaccinated country, have you started a new lockdown or are you still holding on?
  • Fedorovich
    Fedorovich 17 July 2021 09: 02
    +2
    The idea of ​​using the Internet in therapy for paranoia has clearly proved useless ...
    1. A. Privalov
      A. Privalov 17 July 2021 09: 16
      +3
      Quote: Fedorovich
      The idea of ​​using the Internet in therapy for paranoia has clearly proved useless ...

      Of course, try a Google search for a remedy for paranoia and their ads will start haunting you all over the internet. lol
  • EvilLion
    EvilLion 17 July 2021 09: 12
    +2
    I was vaccinated back in the winter, I think that no "want / don't want" is inapplicable here, everyone in the USSR was injected. And so thanks to people like Samsonov for the fact that the epidemic, which was supposed to reset to zero in mid / late April, again became a threat of 25k infected per day across the country.
  • riwas
    riwas 17 July 2021 09: 54
    +6
    I took root when there was still no excitement. Vaccination is voluntary, but now, according to my acquaintances, more and more businesses and restrictions force people to be vaccinated forcibly, that's probably where the queues come from.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 10: 14
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    So I volunteered. As a mother, I got sick enough motivation. I'm just shocked with Mr. Samsonov. For some reason, he decided to speak for all Russians, and even came up with a pretentious reason.

    Kid! Do not take everything to heart - you are comfortable in this life, tell the rest of the Russians about it. bully
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 22
      -2
      Listen, dear man. You should address your ladies like that. And to me on you and without kids. It's clear?!
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 10: 19
    +3
    Quote: carstorm 11
    What does power have to do with it?) This is your health and the people around you. You were given the vaccine. Is free. Opportunity. Motivation. By the way, an example from childhood. Under the Soviet Union, we were forcibly vaccinated against ticks at school. With graphs and stuff. We went one at a time straight from the lessons.

    Looks like this vaccine changed your DNA! wassat lol hi
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 17 July 2021 11: 20
      -3
      Where did you get this?))) Or are you being rude just like that?) Well then, I appreciated if that.
  • pytar
    pytar 17 July 2021 11: 17
    +3
    The problem with not wanting people to get vaccinated is due to several factors:
    1. People don't trust the authorities. After so many mutually contradictory actions of these authorities, the mistrust is understandable.
    2. People susceptible to conspiracy theories. Psychology.
    3. Insufficient awareness of the actions of vaccines, the technology of their creation, extraneous effects that all drugs have. Internet with ego fakes.
    4. An attempt by the authorities to force people to get vaccinated. Compulsion evokes resistance.
    5. Elementary carelessness, negligence, inertia in human behavior, is strong among some nations. It is typical not only for Russians.
    And a bunch of other factors, mostly due to the fault of the authorities. This is so in one degree or another in almost all countries of the world. Russia is not an exception.

    The Russians are sabotaging the construction of a "brave new world", they do not want to exchange freedom (will) for imaginary security. In Russia, the coronavirus hysteria, bans and pressure from the authorities did not work, as in the “free world.” Russians, obviously, at the level of the collective unconscious, felt that this was a murky business and had to wait. 70-80% of the population is against compulsory vaccination for some vague purpose. Russians are ready to sacrifice even their own health. What went off with a bang in the West does not work in Russia. The Russians have once again shown themselves to be the most unpredictable and stubborn people who break all rational and logical scenarios and plans that are drawn up in the West.

    After reading THIS I went nuts! belay Weak public consciousness, illiteracy, misunderstanding, susceptibility to fake suggestions, the author managed to imagine how "heroism", "the struggle of the Russians against the new order"! fool Leopold, you have not deserted your chauvinism ?? While the author was writing his crazy article, thousands of people in the world died from covid! The absolute majority of them are not vaccinated!
  • ZAV69
    ZAV69 17 July 2021 11: 46
    -2
    The author is clearly crazy, dragging in vaccination, she does nothing harmful except what is stated.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 11: 57
    -1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Where did you get this?))) Or are you being rude just like that?) Well then, I appreciated if that.

    This is not rudeness - this is a statement. And, let me be curious - in which regiment did you serve? Your Soviet mom and dad couldn't help to "cut", or did they? lol
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 July 2021 21: 53
      0
      I studied at the Ussuriysk SVU and graduated from the BVTKKU. Potgm service. I am a son, grandson, great-grandson, and further until the 18th century of officers. You would walk through the forest with your giggles.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 12: 02
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Listen, dear man. You should address your ladies like that. And to me on you and without kids. It's clear?!

    My dear, you shouldn't be so bitter about ... because the situation, or your state, which I have designated, will not change in any way, what has grown, as they say, has grown! lol
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 12: 05
    +1
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Where did you get this?))) Or are you being rude just like that?) Well then, I appreciated if that.

    I also "checked out" your rating, small .... lol
    1. carstorm 11
      carstorm 11 18 July 2021 21: 56
      0
      Yeah ... infantilism is just rushing. Do you really think that your sarcasm makes you original?))) Do something else. It looks extremely poor. Pure advice.
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 12: 23
    +2
    "Pandemic" - a tool of world war

    I would put it more precisely - an instrument of the program of world industrialists, children of the Jews for the implementation of the "golden billion" program. The actions, or rather the inaction of the ruling directorate of the ZAO RF is fully consistent with this event - the borders are open, there is no sanitary control at the airports of arrival from there. So it is very beneficial for "them" - to pay the same pensions to fewer people. And the death rate in the regions is off scale, the sick are not diagnosed with COVID19, so as not to spoil the statistics. To my wife's friend in the Mineralnye Vody region, this is what the doctor who came to the call told confidentially. And then, because she herself is a physician, therefore, he probably opened up. yes
  • Radikal
    Radikal 17 July 2021 12: 27
    0
    Quote: A. Privalov
    Quote: Fedorovich
    The idea of ​​using the Internet in therapy for paranoia has clearly proved useless ...

    Of course, try a Google search for a remedy for paranoia and their ads will start haunting you all over the internet. lol
    .
    and paranoia will follow to run, and wave its tail .... wassat
  • Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 17 July 2021 12: 32
    0
    Personally, I myself have not seen more than one deceased (sick) covid. I saw it on TV, read it on the Internet, heard it on the radio (they even tried to whisper something to me), but personally - no. True, I do not travel to Turkey and other foreign countries and do not live in Moscow ... and in the taiga it is difficult to pick up a covid ... so I decided that I would not get vaccinated yet, but I did not forbid my wife - even if I wanted to, her right. .. I've seen enough horror on TV. :)
    1. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
      Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 17 July 2021 19: 32
      +1
      You are a happy person ... In a family of acquaintances after the birth of a child, a husband fell ill, infected his wife, she was taken to the hospital, it went very hard for her. While she was being treated, he was sitting with a three-month-old child, and her father died, 60 years old ... Like this....
      1. Sergey Averchenkov
        Sergey Averchenkov 17 July 2021 21: 10
        +1
        I am very sorry that your acquaintances have it that way ...
  • nikvic46
    nikvic46 17 July 2021 12: 56
    -1
    How did it happen that our healthcare has extended its experience to all social services. countries, found themselves on the sidelines of public health. Cubans have already surpassed us in the effectiveness of vaccines, and we wear masks only for one reason - the lack of doctors. However, not everything is so bad. We have remained the Land of Soviets, and we have a dime a dozen advisers. Why do I respect the Bushmen, Chukchi and Gypsies? They do not go in with their advice. And at the top we have a coalition of communists and chekists. There will be a Central Committee of the CPSU, True with a bourgeois filling.
  • shubin
    shubin 17 July 2021 13: 01
    +2
    How did Ren-tv look! laughing
  • faterdom
    faterdom 17 July 2021 14: 27
    +3
    And in my opinion, Russia, unfortunately, is by no means an example of a successful fight against the epidemic. And even China, Vietnam and South Korea ...
    What are they about ,,, unites?
    And here's what: the party (tsar / general secretary / chairman) said "We must!" - the Chinese (Korean / Vietnamese) replied: "Yes!" (Yavol / yes / ja-ja).
    And all the individualism, Wishlist and other "rights" - the forest.
    Our problem is that our chairman / tsar / general secretary does not know or does not want to say "We must!"
    Instead, "self-isolation" at one's own expense is the apotheosis of actions that cannot be called freedom (it seems to me that self-isolation can only be slapped to oneself, like self-flagellation - there was such a sect of Khlysty before the revolution a hundred years ago), but these convulsive and chaotic actions, when sudden vacations are interspersed with prohibitions to leave the house.
    The result is obvious - 800 deaths per day, or 3,1% of the death rate of cases.
    We are Russians - what a delight ???
  • Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 17 July 2021 14: 45
    0
    Where did you find the queue for the vaccine ???
    I live in the near Moscow region, I was vaccinated in my own clinic
    I work in a specific place, I knew that sooner or later I would have to be vaccinated, so I took care of it in advance.
    1 dose 1.03 The main expenditure of time - three of us sat at the office for 20 minutes, the nurse stubbornly said, "I won't open the ampoule for three, wait for at least the fourth and then I'll inject."
    Dose 2 22.03 There is no one at all, neither at the doctor's nor at the vaccination room. "Wait 5 minutes in the hallway, I'll prepare a dose right now."
    ZY
    I can't say for everyone. Only about myself. My mother was sick in the fall. And as soon as possible I went and did. Because I understand that it is necessary. We ran, yes. And what prevented you from doing something earlier?))) Half a year has passed. But they waited until the crack was given. this is our folk amusement apparently. A magic pendel until the figs arrive who will do what. Well, he flew in with codes and other things.

    Well this is what bastards -8 typed and ???
  • puskarinkis
    puskarinkis 17 July 2021 15: 18
    +7
    The people do not want to be vaccinated, not because they do not trust vaccines (although this too), but because they do not trust medicine and the government! To this is added a suspicious concern for people's health, when at the same moment they are poisoned with chemistry (including medicinal), surrogates, slave working conditions, killed in wars, and just on the roads! Under capitalism, when profit is most important, it is beneficial to heal the crowd, preferably the terminally ill, and not make them healthy! Change the health care system to fight the emergence of disease and illness, and not with people who do not want to take questionable drugs under threat of reprisals! Terror against the people is not a guarantee of obedience! Terror (Latin terror "fear, horror") - intimidation of political opponents by means of physical violence. Terror is also called the threat of physical violence for political or any other reasons, or intimidation with the threat of violence or murder.
  • BAI
    BAI 17 July 2021 16: 33
    +1
    Who is the most disloyal? Russia with its 70% refusal to vaccinate.

    As I understand it, the author is from the anti-vaccine camp. Even the rise in prices for building materials, due to the simple greed of Russian manufacturers and traders, dragged along for a heap.
    So you can't be vaccinated. And the author is not alone in his, to put it mildly, feeble-mindedness.

    Yesterday on the bus, one adult DU, who is too lazy to buy headphones, listened for the whole bus to another DU, younger that vaccination is genocide of the Russian people, a deliberate change in its gene code and other nonsense.
    And all for the sake of the "golden billion".
    Simple question. Israel belongs to the gold billion. 100% vaccination. Western Europe, the United States - everyone is increasing the pace of vaccination, which Russia never dreamed of. San Marino - 100% vaccination. Is this also the destruction of peoples and genotype for the sake of the golden billion?
    Rather, it should be understood as follows - those who want to destroy the Russian people are against vaccination so that it becomes extinct as soon as possible.
    Those. the author stands on the side of the enemies of Russia who want to destroy Russia, the Slavic superethnos, the communist civilization-red empire, etc.
    Something like that.
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 17 July 2021 19: 58
      +3
      Quote: BAI
      Even the rise in prices for building materials, due to the simple greed of Russian manufacturers and traders,

      Excuse me too. But the rise in prices for building materials, mainly for wood, was caused by the fact that the authorities conducted a massive campaign to capture those organizations that did not give them their share. Found time, the geniuses of the king of heaven ...
      1. BAI
        BAI 17 July 2021 20: 03
        -2
        In 2020, due to panic and restrictive measures, huge stocks of building materials were unsold. The same metal. Now that people have perked up a little, trade and manufacturers have decided to "make up for the lost profits in 2020." That's all. Last year's profit + current year's profit = double price increase.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 17 July 2021 20: 11
          +3
          Do you understand how crazy your words are? Do people who sell themselves have decided to raise prices themselves? To grab ?! Wonderful, just wonderful! You see, the merchants know one secret. Only you! Look, you are no one else!
          Nobody hears us ?! In general, to get a big profit, the buyer needs to BUY MORE. And this, you know, is problematic against the backdrop of the crisis. It is not an easy task against the backdrop of the crisis, but with it it is ... Prices rose - turnover fell! And strong! People don't have an unchangeable one hundred thousandth bill, can you imagine ?!
          Even the more expensive food was bought less. The rise in prices allows only not to lose much momentum, and that's it. And then, many go bankrupt, unable to withstand the fall in demand. In order to remove more from people, it is necessary that they have something to remove, that is, first of all, income should increase.
          Do you really think that no one guessed before you to come to an agreement and start raising prices into space, increasing their incomes infinitely?))
          1. BAI
            BAI 17 July 2021 21: 09
            +1
            In general, to get a big profit, the buyer needs to BUY MORE.

            Absolutely right. It's all over the world. But not in Russia. To get double profits, two products are sold all over the world. And only in Russia - one at a double price. Because there is no normal competition, but there is a terry monopoly. Let me remind you examples with Avtovaz. With the initial production in 1995, the VAZ 2110 cost $ 10. The crisis broke out. The price dropped to $ 000. At the same time, the price in rubles did not change. Demand revived (people kept their money in dollars). What did Avtovaz do? Have you started to increase your sales? Not. He started to stupidly raise prices, trying to raise them to $ 6300. Who needs a ten for $ 10 when it was possible to buy an imported car for this money? A dozen are dead. Further. Grant. When its prime cost was 000 rubles, it was sold for 10 (one of the high-ranking managers let slip a microphone about the prime cost). If it was sold for 000, they would take several pieces in one hand. I myself would take 50 pieces. - one is driving, the other is being repaired. But greed again ruined the fraer. No Grants, and Avtovaz was always begging for subsidies and preferences until it was sold to the French. And there were normal cars. And so everywhere. From gasoline to buckwheat.
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 17 July 2021 21: 14
              +4
              Quote: BAI
              And only in Russia - one at a double price.

              It is impossible economically) Well, that is, doubling the price, you get more for each car, right. But the reservoir of those who can pay two prices for the same thing is quickly depleted. Which is what you describe in your post. The rise in prices leads to a curtailment of demand, and building materials dealers are aware. It was Avtovaz who was sitting on the neck of the state, extracting colossal funds from the budget without hindrance. No one will give such funds to traders with building materials)
              They are in anguish and panic - many shops and small wholesalers will close soon. People postpone construction for the future, which may not come at all.
          2. aglet
            aglet 21 July 2021 07: 24
            0
            "In general, to make a big profit, the buyer needs to BUY MORE."
            everything is correct, but this is in normal countries. our hucksters raise prices so that people buy only when absolutely necessary, but even here they raise prices once again, it means that they will buy at any price. cost price, trade margin - all this is in the distant past. even the mythical world price is no longer quoted. now, as the premier suddenly recovered his sight, only the seller's greed affects the price. "and you can talk about this completely freely"
    2. DemikSPb
      DemikSPb 17 July 2021 21: 33
      0
      This is not a fool. In Soviet times, special people also traveled in buses, telling various terrible events, supposedly to each other. It is impossible to check the truth or not, but the aftertaste will remain with the listeners. So here, an advertising campaign from pfizer.
    3. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 14: 23
      0
      Quote: BAI
      Israel belongs to the gold billion. 100% vaccination.

      Not a hundred, do not sin! stop And their Ministry of Health has already recognized the ineffectiveness of vaccination against the new strain of coronavirus. Officially admitted.
  • Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 17 July 2021 19: 28
    +1
    The author famously pulls a cornovirus with a vaccine on the globe!
  • Sfurei
    Sfurei 17 July 2021 19: 35
    0
    The author really decided to put nonsense out of my head on the VO page ??? "... What went off with a bang in the West does not work in Russia ...." Why did you draw such thoughts in your head ?? For example, we and most of our relatives were vaccinated at the beginning of spring without coercion. Those of friends and relatives (including parents) who got sick in winter were vaccinated in May-July. Only today a friend (he was ill in December-January) gave the second vaccination, and his wife took root even earlier ... And all the resisting acquaintances, after declaring not to leave or restrictions at work, rushed to think and take the queue for the vaccination. Although there are those who went and bought a certificate for 15-20 thousand rubles. Well, as soon as he gets sick, the brain can turn on .. well, or no longer. And the rate of vaccination after the introduction of restrictions has grown very much .. So the deliberate refusal of the Russians is pure nonsense ..
  • Maks1995
    Maks1995 17 July 2021 19: 39
    -2
    And, again, thinking on a tree in general phrases ...
    There is nothing to write - scold the Amers?
  • Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 17 July 2021 19: 56
    +6
    For this logic to be correct, another virus is needed. Not so weak. This covid is too harmless, despite the fact that Mamonov died (rest in peace, he was a good musician).
    The mouthpieces of the "digital concentration camp" somehow forget that it was created long ago). And his tool is not a "digital vaccination passport" (it seems, out of horror, this very "passport" has replaced underground shelters in the horror-devoured consciousness of the author, which the world elite is supposedly digging for themselves day and night), but a simple smartphone. By analyzing the content passing through your smartphone, the author has been marinating you in this very "concentration camp" for a long time. Look around - here you have that striped robe, and your SIM number on your forehead is stuffed ...
    What kind of "freedom" was taken away from you ?! Europeans? Americans? Nothing was taken away, everything was taken away long ago! Governments can limit our actions as they like. Yes, they need a reason. But an excuse is just an excuse, author. Not a covid so terrorists, not terrorists so "internal terrorists", hackers ... whatever.
    The Internet and the methods of systematic analysis of large amounts of data provide the authorities with opportunities that have never been seen in history. This is another problem. The authorities do not know what to do with the old levers they have. Not to mention the new superpowers, the tree is a stick! Understand already - the real problem is not that we can be controlled even more. The question is WHAT to order ?!
    Remember the tales of the genies? The main question is what to ask of the genie. He is omnipotent, but you HAVE to UNDERSTAND what you really need! And this is a huge problem. Why do you think there is such a hysteria around AI? Holy hope - we will create an AI, and it will finally figure out with its stone brains, but what should we do! Eh ...
    If there was a need to reduce the world's population without touching the "golden billion" (the concept is outdated, a billion has rotted on the vine, and the authorities are well aware of this), it would be enough to create a virus that predominantly kills those who are systematically malnourished, for example. There are characteristic changes in the body, it is not difficult to visit them.
    Only this will not save the modern economic and political system. How to save her, no one knows. A new one is needed, or better - the old one has not yet been forgotten) Iosif Vissarionich, we ask, we ask. That's the grief)
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 July 2021 14: 23
      +5
      Worthy commentary, bow to you, Mikhail)))
      From myself I will add.
      If at the present political moment such an attack as an epidemic was really a way to bring the world's population to the 6th economic order by cutting out "extra mouths", then some terrible modification of smallpox would be launched without hesitation.
      And here in some countries the vaccine would suddenly and somehow immediately be found - well, they say, it happened, we assure you, by accident, while others would not have found it, and they began to die out en masse - Africa, Latin America, in general , third world countries that have no place in the 6th order, but they want to eat, parasites, multiplying the national debt - much faster than the income from the gross domestic product produced by them, idiots, and thus increasing the total world debt, which is what creates the world economic crisis.

      Retreat______
      Let's say that a vaccine against the terrible smallpox would miraculously be found in our state in time. Then, stumbling and falling, pushing each other with their elbows, spending the night at the vaccination centers, the women would be the first to run to be vaccinated. Can you guess why?))))
      End of retreat _____

      Covid does not solve the problem of selecting those admitted to the club of the sixth economic order. The rich and the poor, the whites and the blacks die alike. From no point of view, the covid does not decide who lives, who dies. At the moment, he simply shows who does not care about health and even life, and the person refuses the vaccine, and who does not care. That is, he simply establishes a relationship between a person and a disease, and nothing more. And the decline in population from a pandemic on a global scale does not pull on a pandemic!
      So why covid?
      It can be assumed that the next epidemic will be launched, much more terrible than covid. Such, a cure for which there will be, but it will not be enough - they say, we do not have time to produce, and it will cost so much that the budget will not be able to afford it, and the bulk of citizens will have to inject at their own expense. Big ones. The government will throw up its hands, ask for forgiveness, they say, there is nothing we can do, there is no money, but you are injecting! Save yourself now. And then the penniless population will die out, and the more or less wealthy and rich will survive. These surviving people will become citizens of the general sixth economic structure.

      And yet - why did they launch the relatively less dangerous covid first? And then, in order to accustom us to the idea that other, much more dangerous epidemics are possible, in which the government is not to blame, but they, epidemics, can be. And when one such flames, so that the uprising is not raised. And if you raise it, then please - quickly get infected in your rebellious crowd and everyone will die. And we are in the sixth way!
      And further...
      And I will also allow myself to make a grim conspiracy thesis. The current vaccination against covid creates a state of immunity in which the body will break down faster in a new, more deadly epidemic than the current one. The body will no longer have enough strength to resist. That is, when infected, a person will be killed for sure. There will be no survivors of the infected.
      Now tell me, what else should I suppose, based on the strange insistence with which it is recommended to be vaccinated against covid, when already here and there they promise much more terrible epidemics? This is if we set aside the interests of the firms that produce the vaccine against covid. They promise, accompanying the promises with the confidence of the government's economic bloc and even its confidence that it, the bloc, in its entirety will fall into the sixth economic structure.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 18 July 2021 17: 07
        +2
        Not bad. Here you have to somehow zombify yourself about these "economic orders") They came up with this hat of the humanities, who suddenly decided that they are rummaging around in production and the economy. Humanitarians, in principle, do not fumble about anything, everything that they come up with about reality is nonsense, nonsense, trash and frenzy))
        There is not and cannot be any 6th, 7th, 198th order. I can't help but giggle, sorry. Doesn't fit a hefty brutal man)
        In general, capitalism is everything. Further automation of production (and already the current one) does not lead to a "new order", but simply to a dead end. Therefore, all sorts of ways have been invented for you, so that you look into the abyss less often. A simple contradiction - consumers disappear along with automatic production. There is no one to buy. And this is the limit of capitalism, its end point.
        Yes, you can organize everything so as not to be divided into capitalists and consumers. But this is not capitalism! This is not a way of life, it is ... suddenly ... suddenly ... communism nafig! God be with him, with production. All sorts of "guaranteed incomes" and other miracles, born of a desperate attempt to somehow save capitalism, lead to the worst thing - the power born of capital disappears. And this cannot be seen by the current world leaders even as an opportunity. They will not be able to take any place there, in this new world. Their "skills" have not been skills for a long time. Ford (which, to put it mildly, in the USA they were not very much loved, tolerated, yes ...) would have done it. Musk - no. Although Musk is trying, in a prefab house, over there, he moved ...
        All these "types of capitalism", ways of life, other hat, this is a smoke screen. Since the brains of the current world elite are really not enough to come up with at least something, they simply cast a shadow over the fence, hoping that "it is itself." Like the "invisible hand of the market" will return from the 18th century, and somehow it will fix everything by itself) Do not get fooled)

        If you are interested in a society that could be organized instead of this very "6th order", read Jack Vance. He has several books on such societies. In short, narrow-minded slaves eating sugar syrup and lords sitting in luxurious chambers, spending their lives trying out essences, inventing clothes, and languid intrigues. Everything breaks down when the toilet gets clogged)
  • Baloo
    Baloo 17 July 2021 20: 20
    0
    Quote: prior
    Everything else regarding my health can only be advisory - mask, muzzle, gas mask, chastity belt, vaccination, QR code, PCR test.
    Am I a free man in a free country or roadside dust in a concentration camp?
    Somehow, gentlemen fighters with Covid.
    Will answer

    Especially for those born in an armored train: The new Indian strain delta covid has a strange mutation in the adhesion, which makes it highly infectious and dangerous. Every unvaccinated person is a potential threat to himself and those around him. Moreover, unvaccinated patients become the platform on which the virus mutates, becoming more and more dangerous. The vaccinated also sometimes get sick, but they do without resuscitation (!!!!), they can be cured in the general ward, they do not reach mechanical ventilation. The unvaccinated die either from the virus, or later within 3-6 months from damage to organs and systems.
    Unvaccinated people get sick with families and lose loved ones of old age. Children also get sick and are also very difficult, and also suffer from consequences in the form of disorders of the central nervous system, cardiovascular system, kidneys, liver, pancreas, etc.
    Once again for those born in an armored vehicle: if you don't want to get vaccinated, save money for a pharmacy and / or a funeral. There is still no medicine in the form of a pill against the coronavirus. Covid 19 is not acute respiratory infections or flu. This is a systemic multiple organ lesion. Even more dangerous strains from South and North America are on the way. Maybe this video, in which the doctors speak as it is. [Media = https: //web.whatsapp.com/] Alas, it does not load. I can drop it on watsap, send the number
    1. Mikhail3
      Mikhail3 17 July 2021 20: 30
      +4
      Quote: Balu
      Every unvaccinated person is a potential threat to himself and those around him.

      That is why the authorities cannot see voluntary vaccination. Such is the level of intellectual development of the authorities. I'm unvaccinated. Terrible enemy. Today the analysis has received - more than 500 units.
      As I understand it, much more, just 500 standard test ends. My antibodies are no different from those that are obtained as a result of vaccination, except that mine are much stronger, because they were formed as a reaction of the body to the WHOLE virus, and not to a small area that works in the vaccine. My body has much more information on how to fight the virus.
      However, I am required to vaccinate anyway! What, excuse me, subject? There is no logical explanation in principle, what you are carrying there ... People are not "gullible", they perfectly see that they are insolently deceived. And yes, they do not want to be vaccinated. And I don't want to, of course. What kind of angel do they want from me? I am not contagious, my body successfully suppresses all attempts of the virus to attack. Considering that I was sick two years ago, the result is excellent. What's the matter, guys ?!
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 July 2021 20: 44
        -2
        Quote: Mikhail3
        Quote: Balu
        Every unvaccinated person is a potential threat to himself and those around him.

        That is why the authorities cannot see voluntary vaccination. Such is the level of intellectual development of the authorities. I'm unvaccinated. Terrible enemy. Today the analysis has received - more than 500 units.
        As I understand it, much more, just 500 standard test ends. My antibodies are no different from those that are obtained as a result of vaccination, except that mine are much stronger, because they were formed as a reaction of the body to the WHOLE virus, and not to a small area that works in the vaccine. My body has much more information on how to fight the virus.
        However, I am required to vaccinate anyway! What, excuse me, subject? There is no logical explanation in principle, what you are carrying there ... People are not "gullible", they perfectly see that they are insolently deceived. And yes, they do not want to be vaccinated. And I don't want to, of course. What kind of angel do they want from me? I am not contagious, my body successfully suppresses all attempts of the virus to attack. Considering that I was sick two years ago, the result is excellent. What's the matter, guys ?!

        You were sick in 2019, I wonder which country? 500 units? What test system? Ginzburg, who was vaccinated together with the team before the start of clinical trials, has 3200. And there are test systems for which below 12 is already dangerous. And at our place of work, 2 grandmothers were ill last year, this year they were ill from complications in the lungs, at the bottom of one 20, at the other 40. Do not build any illusions. 905 are sick not with last year's Wuhan covid-19, but with the new Indian strain of covid-dklt, which is many times more dangerous. The flag is in your hands, the drum is on your neck and the wind is in your back. When you get to the intensive care unit of the covid hospital, remember to enjoy your heroic anti-vaccination pose.
        1. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 18 July 2021 17: 25
          +1
          Your post betrays panic and horror. Yes, you will die. And I will die. And everyone will die. You will be dead, not from covid, but from old age, not from old age, so from what else. This cannot be avoided. Why do you meet death so shamefully - with panic, screeching and squealing, disconnection of the mind? It's a shame ...
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 19 July 2021 08: 13
            -1
            Quote: Mikhail3
            Your post betrays panic and horror. Yes, you will die. And I will die. And everyone will die. You will be dead, not from covid, but from old age, not from old age, so from what else. This cannot be avoided. Why do you meet death so shamefully - with panic, screeching and squealing, disconnection of the mind? It's a shame ...

            A psychotherapist to help you. You did not answer the question: in which country5 two years ago did you get Covid 19 and on which test system do you have 500 units?
            1. Mikhail3
              Mikhail3 19 July 2021 08: 58
              0
              Why should I answer? I can, but why do I need it?) I'm not leading a doctor. I think, express my thoughts and never lie. I am not interested in the victory in the shit, for which people have been living lately. I say what I think and filter the answers, choosing those that give me something, enrich me with something, help in understanding. What will the option give me, in which I smear your "arguments"? Satisfaction with "winning"? What kind of victory is this? One abomination. And I have already received information about a person who fiercely clings to life, being a burden for everyone. I have always been interested in such people because they are dangerous ...
    2. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 17 July 2021 21: 34
      +1
      Quote: Balu
      Especially for those born in an armored train:

      " Who is to blame and what to do?" wink
      Obscurantism in the XXI century is the result of an indistinct policy of the authorities and official medicine. The level of education itself is also the result. The virus is dangerous - no FREEDOM - to vaccinate or not to be vaccinated. There must be a duty. Ooh, President!
      Quote: Mikhail3
      I'm unvaccinated. Terrible enemy.

      Worse. Maybe I won't get sick, maybe I won't be contagious, maybe I will carry it.
      In Ryazan, every third person in intensive care dies. Among them there is not a single one who has been vaccinated. '' Words of the chief chief officer of the OKB.
      https://rg62.info/2021/07/07/glavnyj-vrach-ryazanskoj-okb-rasskazal-o-situaczii-v-krasnoj-zone-bolniczy/
      1. Baloo
        Baloo 17 July 2021 21: 59
        -1
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Worse. Maybe I won't get sick, maybe I won't be contagious, maybe I will carry it.
        In Ryazan, every third person in intensive care dies. Among them there is not a single one who has been vaccinated. '' Words of the chief chief officer of the OKB.

        This is true. On the other hand, the vaccinated, if they get to the information department, are cured in the general ward. I know that for sure. According to open sources, from 0 to 0.5% of vaccinated people get sick. It is a pity that the age composition and concomitant diseases in this group are not given.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 19 July 2021 14: 33
          0
          Quote: Balu
          This is true. On the other hand, the vaccinated, if they get to the information department, are cured in the general ward. I know that for sure.

          Despite the fact that in the UK half of the population is fully vaccinated, 38% of the deaths are just vaccinated. Air Force source.
          1. Baloo
            Baloo 21 July 2021 07: 45
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: Balu
            This is true. On the other hand, the vaccinated, if they get to the information department, are cured in the general ward. I know that for sure.

            Despite the fact that in the UK half of the population is fully vaccinated, 38% of the deaths are just vaccinated. Air Force source.

            Carefully read the original source and the comments to the article. While behind the fence, the satellite is recognized as the most effective and safe. One of the problems with Western vaccines is insufficient purification, difficult storage and transportation conditions. And then the naglich people drink too much sprit, cirrhosis has not been canceled, and this is one of the risk factors for any pathology. wink
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 21 July 2021 18: 59
              0
              Quote: Balu
              While behind the fence, the satellite is recognized as the most effective and safe.

              Who is recognized? It has not been recognized until now, since the Gamaleya Institute cannot provide the initial data on the tests.
              Next - explain how a vaccine can protect against one strain of the virus when it gets sick with another strain? Israel has recognized the futility of a vaccine against a new strain. This despite the fact that they have one of the best medicine in the world.
              And also explain how you can vaccinate people during an epidemic?
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 18 July 2021 17: 34
        0
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        Worse. Maybe I won't get sick, maybe I won't be contagious, maybe I will carry it.

        If you think so, then don't bother me in your genius) You are so smart, I am much stupider. I got sick when the word "covid" had not yet taken its final form. And I am able to control my body to some extent. The consequences of training and some of the knowledge I acquired when I was young.
        So I noticed an extremely unusual "cold illness" in myself, and coped with it with my own methods, although then I came to myself for a week, and I haven't had such a thing for 30 years. Then, during the "second wave", my colleague, with whom I am sitting in the same room and driving in the same car, got sick again (he was sick for the first time at the same time as I) this time quite easily. But not me. The temperature rose slightly for one day.
        So now I passed the test because I feel good for a long time, within the age range. That is, self-control does not give me information about what I have with antibodies). "over 500" seemed funny to me, I didn’t expect the body to keep its defenses so powerfully;
        In general, judging by others, it is easy to make a mistake)
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  • Baloo
    Baloo 17 July 2021 20: 37
    0
    Quote: BAI
    Rather, it should be understood as follows - those who want to destroy the Russian people are against vaccination so that it becomes extinct as soon as possible.
    Those. the author stands on the side of the enemies of Russia who want to destroy Russia, the Slavic superethnos, the communist civilization-red empire, etc.
    Something like that.
    Response

    You are absolutely right. Professionally filmed anti-grafting tik-tok rollers, how much can each cost? Who are the sponsors? Truth of the life:
    -Full immunity after vaccination appears by 42 days.
    - everyone who is not vaccinated, gets sick and infects at least 8 people.
    - in our region the situation with the dying and sick has changed - more and more young people. If earlier under 30 people died with hepatitis, AIDS, etc., now normal people die without any pain.
    - the genetics of immunity matters. People with the second group die more often.
    - diabetes mellitus, hypertension, atherosclerosis, cardiovascular pathology, impaired immunity, after a stroke, those prone to allergies will be the first to suffer. This is an endless topic. New strains - stuffing like in Wuhan or the evolution of the virus - no one can decide. But it is symptomatic: Americans have been studying coronavirus since 1999. The letter of Kazakh deputies to the government is caused by concern about the work of the American laboratory on studying the possibility of using livestock as reservoirs and carriers of coronaviruses.
    B. Geyts in the spring grunted to reporters: if they agreed on the price of a pandemic, there would be no pandemic. A little later, an even more serious pandemic lies ahead. Not the right format for discussion. I will dwell on this: if you want to live happily ever after, get vaccinated. I was vaccinated in March-April. With my bouquet of hypothyroidism, hypertension and diabetes mellitus, I got over the norm. For the first three days, the temperature was below 6-XNUMX and fs. Once again, every unvaccinated disease becomes a carrier of the infection, and if the immune system is weakened, the virus becomes even angrier on it due to mutation.
  • Spider
    Spider 17 July 2021 20: 51
    -3
    Good article. It's amazing that the censorship missed it. Respect to the author!
  • Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 17 July 2021 20: 57
    -1
    Despite the whole lot of questions about the virus and vaccination and the specific actions of our authorities, to see elements of some global plan in this is generally on the verge of paranoia, and to see something healthy in the obstinacy of our population - I would say that naivety. Our obstinacy was historically - from paganism, from the old rite, with the introduction of new methods of sowing and harvesting grain, from potatoes and tomatoes, and so on, so on. This is a real image of the people, cleansed of lubok and leavened patriotism - our people are conservative and in some ways even dense and canonical. Of course, this is superimposed on distrust of the authorities - flesh of the flesh of the representatives of the people, either in dimness or in stubbornness. For decades, our propaganda has horrified people with GMOs for reasons of internal lobbying and general protective stupidity, and now we need to somehow get people to inject with a GMO vaccine, it's a problem, no matter how you look at it. And accordingly, to solve it, all calibers of heavy artillery are used - coercion, intimidation, restrictions and "incomplete information" - that is, in general, no information at all))
    1. andybuts
      andybuts 20 July 2021 15: 49
      0
      Dear Knell, there is no need for the denseness and conservatism of the Russian people. In Soviet times, this people were vaccinated without any problems.
      “- Get vaccinated! First grade! - Have you heard? This is us! .. - I'm not afraid of vaccinations: If necessary, I will inject! " - there is such a rhyme from Sergei Mikhalkov, showing the routine of the vaccination situation.
      The program for the eradication of illiteracy was for the most part more than successful; in 20 years from an illiterate country, we reached high levels of literacy. The question is that in the USSR there was scientific materialism, and now obscurantism is flourishing
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 20 July 2021 17: 27
        0
        It is somewhat naive to perceive samples of cultural propaganda as a kind of existing mood of society. The cult product in the USSR was sculpted by people on a salary in power and nothing else. So they were required to form such an attitude or create a sense of its formation - and they did it. By analogy with these things, many now may have the feeling that the position of the state-run pro-pogandists is the position of the population, or at least the majority, but this is what is unique. orders the tune.
        1. andybuts
          andybuts 20 July 2021 18: 06
          0
          Absolutely different attitude to agitprop among the population now and in the times of the USSR. This is very noticeable in the example of a vaccine. Previously, they believed in agitprop and in a pandemic there would be no need to beg people to come to the vaccination point. And almost everything kept on trusting agitprop (more precisely, trusting the authorities). And when this trust was finally undermined during perestroika, the power of the CPSU and the country itself sank into oblivion. And now even the loyal fans of the GDP and those voting for the Edro and the Constitution are in no hurry to vaccinate. Because they do not believe the authorities, although they are looking for an excuse for it and would like to believe. Well, the quality of agitation and propaganda figures has fallen sharply.
  • DemikSPb
    DemikSPb 17 July 2021 21: 28
    +1
    Here is Mr. Samsonov quite transparent being. But now the cycle of the advertising campaign from pfizer is already ending, the money is left, it's time to start preparing for the autumn elections.
  • Unknown
    Unknown 17 July 2021 22: 14
    +10
    There is something reasonable in the article. For the second year, there is a bacchanalia with covid, so many contradictions do not know who to believe. No one remembers the initial version of the onset of the disease, about a bat allegedly eaten by a Chinese, and everything went from there. He does not take the young, but then it turns out he takes and how. Everyone wear masks, wash their hands, etc. In Italy, all the old people died, mass graves are being dug with excavators. Sitting at home and not going anywhere, under pain of punishment. Those with chronic diseases are the first candidates for the next world. ARI, ARVI and influenza have disappeared somewhere, there is only one covid left. Now they say that the previous measures were not the same, vaccinations are needed, at first people of advanced age, but now all the polls. Head around, and everywhere rumors, someone twisted in three days, he died, another got sick almost grunt, and then Mishustin got sick , Peskov got sick, but in a strange way he recovered in two weeks, and at least henna. Trump got sick! In three days he was cured like a cucumber, how does it happen!? In short, order a coffin, lie down and wait for the oblique to come for you. But there are people who should be listened to, such as Professor Igor Gundarov. " To explain this phenomenon in terms of epidemiology, I would say this: first give me a measurement tool. Prove that the methods you use to diagnose really diagnose what you need. It is necessary to prove: what is the effectiveness of vaccination? And there are no such studies and their results. Is it possible to focus on the level of immunoglobulins or not? Here is a specific case - they were vaccinated, but there was no effect. But about six months ago, Elon Musk decided to check the quality of the diagnostics and went to the same doctor four times a day for this. And his first test was positive, the second was negative, the third was positive, and the fourth was negative. How, after that, you can measure something and draw important conclusions if we have results that, as I say, are written with pitchforks on the water.The nature of the coronavirus mutates, it lives like that, and those who work with it directly argue that SARS-CoV-2 mutates seriously about twice a month. Therefore, we constantly identify the "British", then the "South African", then the "Indian" strain of this virus. Then there will be some kind of "Bengali", then - "Chita", then - "Ufa" and so on. It's just where it was first registered, and it's actually everywhere, all over the world. If now, for example, we abandon this SARS-CoV-2, turn our attention to, say, the herpes virus and approach this matter with the same zeal, then we will begin in the same way to identify its different strains in different parts of the country and the planet. And why do we need it, this herpes virus, if it itself is not very dangerous? But if you draw attention to him and use the diagnostic technology that is practiced in relation to SARS-CoV-2, then this will allow, if you wish, to write off everything not to him, but to the herpes virus. And then it turns out that a broken bone is a complication from the herpes virus, pneumonia is a complication from a mutation of the herpes virus, and so on. Prove it? I cannot prove it. But after all, they are just as unable to scientifically and absolutely reliably prove that these deaths are from SARS-CoV-2! "So we will live and not be sick.
  • moody
    moody 17 July 2021 22: 34
    +1
    Who is the most disloyal? Russia with its 70% refusal to vaccinate.

    Therefore, Russia will be forced to loyalty. The methods are different. On the western borders, from the Baltic to the Black Sea, NATO countries are continuously training exercises. Military demonstration. A threat arises in the southern underbelly of Russia - the Afghan question. Ukraine is frankly and clearly becoming a NATO bridgehead aimed at us. There is a blocking of Belarus. They are kindling a new war in the South Caucasus.


    Look how! Well, what efforts are being made by the world behind the scenes in order to make us vaccinate!
    Now it is clear why the English destroyer sailed past the Crimea.
  • Antonio Caballero
    Antonio Caballero 17 July 2021 23: 26
    +3
    they drove the people into muzzles, now they are liquid
    what's next? anal probe?
  • Vladimir Ezhov
    Vladimir Ezhov 18 July 2021 04: 31
    +3
    In principle, I agree with the opinion of the author of the article. I read the comments on the article. The impression was that those who drown for vaccinations, for the most part, the generation of the Unified State Exam. I think that the destruction of the education system in Russia did not happen by accident. Perhaps this is one of the stages of the implementation of the Rockefeller project and others like him.
  • Valentin Lisov
    Valentin Lisov 18 July 2021 07: 36
    +2
    The author, and you are a great propagandist. How you subtly pushed through the idea that refusal to vaccinate is a positive trait of Russians (Russians), that they "do not want to change freedom (will) for imaginary security", risking their lives, their loved ones and everyone around them. Here are some, also subtly, introducing into our consciousness that we can be proud of the alleged first place in alcohol consumption (although it is 16th), that this is our national trait, and you are promoting the resistance of the authorities in the fight against the pandemic and this is also our national hell, Russia alone is sabotaging.
  • Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 18 July 2021 10: 51
    +1
    Idiotic article Like, we are so stupid During this year, 7 (seven) of my colleagues in Afghan have died from this nasty stuff. The living will soon be counted on the fingers. To tell the truth, I was ill in a mild form. he had a fight with his wife on the phone and left for an empty apartment.Then, when everything was fine, he apologized for a long time (he knew he was wrong) well, that's not the point. out of solidarity I was vaccinated So far, only the first time, the second dose on July 29 Why am I crucifying for so long? I thought for a long time, it is necessary, it is not necessary, there are a lot of arguments for and against. in the regional center, 200 people fall ill, and 7-8 die every day, including your friends, it seems that I did the right thing
  • Morris812
    Morris812 18 July 2021 11: 55
    +2
    I am concerned about one question - when will the already vaccinated be given apartments that have been freed from the unvaccinated?
    1. depressant
      depressant 18 July 2021 14: 50
      +2
      Colleague, good ))) wassat drinks )))
  • zlobny tatarin
    zlobny tatarin 18 July 2021 15: 26
    0
    Don't scold your uncle. The person was mistaken, he sent the scribble to the wrong site.
  • Mordvin 3
    Mordvin 3 18 July 2021 21: 39
    +1
    Yeah, Menshov also made a graft ...
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 July 2021 23: 28
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    Yeah ... infantilism is just rushing. Do you really think that your sarcasm makes you original?))) Do something else. It looks extremely poor. Pure advice.

    Well, who has what, and where does it come from, there is a certain question, but no one saw or heard the answer about the service. Okay, kid, we understood everything, calm down, we are in relation to you, and your position is in the know - your pseudonym is also clear. Conclusion - you are the enemy! As well as the one you are defending, is that understandable? I suppose the people figured out about you. And no more kindergarten reasoning, like infantilism - it's clear, it's a shame, if you grow up, you'll understand !!!!! wassat
  • Radikal
    Radikal 18 July 2021 23: 33
    0
    Quote: carstorm 11
    I studied at the Ussuriysk SVU and graduated from the BVTKKU. Potgm service. I am a son, grandson, great-grandson, and further until the 18th century of officers. You would walk through the forest with your giggles.

    If this is the way you indicated - alas, several times for you, great-grandson ... sad .