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"Not distinguished by originality": Kiev responded to Putin's article about Ukraine

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Kiev responded to an article by Russian President Vladimir Putin about Ukraine. They are outraged that the Russian leader mentioned the unity of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples.


The Minister of Culture of Ukraine Oleksandr Tkachenko wrote about this in his Telegram channel.

He said that Putin's article "on the historical unity of Russians and Ukrainians", dedicated to Ukraine, is not particularly original, since, according to the official, it falsifies history... Tkachenko believes that even the Russian tsars allowed such falsifications before Putin. The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture said that Russia allegedly appropriated the name "Rus", being "Muscovy".

Tkachenko claims: the Kiev princes were the founders of the Ukrainian statehood, and modern Russia has nothing to do with the Old Russian state.

Then he mentioned Stalin, accusing him of "Holodomor" directed against the Ukrainian people, calling it one of the "genocidal practices."

And then, as they say, "Ostap suffered." Tkachenko accused modern Russia of oppressing and suppressing national minorities. At the same time, for some reason, he does not notice how in his own country, at the legislative level, citizens were divided according to nationality "into varieties", having adopted the law "On Indigenous Peoples."

I would like to draw your attention to the fact that this entire "stream of consciousness" belongs to the Minister of Culture of the "European state".

On Monday, an article by Vladimir Putin about Ukraine appeared on the Kremlin's website. It expresses the Russian president's respect for the Ukrainian people, their culture and traditions. The main idea of ​​the article is that there is a unity between Russians and Ukrainians, and the enmity that has arisen between us is our common tragedy. The text of the article was published in two languages ​​- Russian and Ukrainian.
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  1. ioan-e
    ioan-e 13 July 2021 15: 48
    +9
    "Not distinguished by originality": Kiev responded to Putin's article about Ukraine

    Yes, where can we compete with "not brothers" in originality, if their distant ancestors dug the Black Sea!

    https://radiovesti.ru/brand/60948/episode/1362663/
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        1. Vitaly.17
          Vitaly.17 13 July 2021 16: 21
          +14
          What kind of Ancient Russia can we talk about if no one, including Putin, wants to remember the 1991 All-Union referendum !!!
          This would be really original, since the mere mention of the results of this referendum makes all the authorities and borders in the post-Soviet space illegitimate.
          Until the people realize the crimes of the authorities in 1991-1992 and their anti-popular nature of actions, until then the chaos in Russia and in the countries bordering on it will continue.
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 13 July 2021 18: 49
            +2
            Well, you remembered this referendum and what's next? Are you going to wave them like cowards over your head? fool Nobody cares for him for a long time. Nobody is interested in what some ordinary people wanted there. Everything has already happened. With their hands they destroyed a single country and tore them apart into feudal fiefdoms. And from the fact that you wave a piece of paper, nothing will change. Only all the CSTO countries will immediately turn from allies into enemies of Russia. Do you propose to fight with all the neighbors? What a fig? belay
            We have at our side a hostile bloc from Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova. Let's at least deal with them for now, and not create new enemies for ourselves.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 15 July 2021 15: 37
              0
              It is ridiculous to listen to the pitiful false babble of all the alleged critics of a wonderful (but not without mistakes!) Large detailed article by Vladimir Vladimirovich, who cite their false notions as reliable arguments and facts.

              And the pathetic Alexander Tkachenko is simply ridiculous with his "refutation"! laughing But once this hand puppet helpful doggie of all the masters - the masters of Ukraine - was not bad independent the journalist I liked! But - they bought it and took it into service ...
          2. opuonmed
            opuonmed 13 July 2021 23: 41
            +2
            if you read the article he mentioned it)
            1. Vitaly.17
              Vitaly.17 14 July 2021 06: 18
              +2
              Quote: opuonmed
              he mentioned an article about it

              I specially went to the official site, re-read the original. There is not a single phrase about the referendum, not even a search engine.
          3. Maikcg
            Maikcg 14 July 2021 14: 54
            -1
            Here they are worried about this referendum, restless. Do you even remember his text?
            on the preservation of the renewed Union as a federation of equal sovereign Soviet Socialist Republics

            sovereign = independent
            they wanted it like in the United States with the states, got the CIS, and then everything started to turn, but these are local customs such laughing
            1. mikh-korsakov
              mikh-korsakov 15 July 2021 05: 55
              +1
              Dear opuonmed and vitaly commentators, I risk interrupting your scientific discussion. What was, that was, never was, that never was. I am more worried about the current situation. And the question torments me? Well, well, the red lines were supposedly drawn by GDP, even if they (red lines) move aside over time like a mirage in the desert. Specifically, the United States, out of militaristic motives, in order to hurt the Russian Federation, placed missiles in the Kharkov region. Our response? We do not want to unleash a war, and we are doing the right thing, war is not needed by anyone, including the presumptuous hegemon. Therefore, it is clear that the United States will not shoot at Moscow from the Kharkov region. And if so, then it will endure - it will fall in love. After all, the deployment of NATO forces, say, in Estonia, no one bothers except the military. Then why is this article? I threw a pebble into a puddle, the frogs will croak, and again there is silence. Just don’t talk about missiles in Cuba. The situation there is precarious, the Castro brothers retired, but only they knew how to talk to the people.
      2. Seryoga64
        Seryoga64 13 July 2021 16: 39
        +4
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        It is so convenient for them and they will always voice their deliberately distorted version of the story.

        And they can do that, because they
        "European state".
        1. fruc
          fruc 13 July 2021 18: 07
          +4
          the Minister of Culture of Ukraine Alexander Tkachenko wrote in his Telegram channel ...

          I don't understand what a prostitute approved by the State Department can write. All key positions in Ukraine are assigned overseas. They have a different story.
          1. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 13 July 2021 18: 31
            +4
            Quote: frruc
            They have a different story.

            And they never had their own
    2. Peak
      Peak 13 July 2021 15: 55
      +7
      "Doesn't differ in originality" ?

      But at the same time, Mikhail Podolyak, an advisor to the head of the office of Vladimir Zelensky (no matter what level of a state official), called Vladimir Putin's article on the topic of the historical unity of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples - “Impeccable campaign poster"And" absolute and unclouded propaganda in concentrated form. "

      Note - FLAWLESS , because even the junta could not find any distortion of the facts in the article.

      Yes, and "propaganda", they called UNMUTERED, that is, true and infallible ...
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 13 July 2021 16: 08
        +7
        The thing is that the Ukrainian version of history is just the same always distinguished by originality, since there are always falsifications and obvious adjustments of facts to the desired version of the story.
        1. Peak
          Peak 13 July 2021 16: 12
          0
          Quote: OrangeBigg
          The thing is that the Ukrainian version of history is always distinguished by its originality.

          In general, one can argue arbitrarily on the topic of the variability of thinking and confusion of consciousness of an individual. But here is a whole country, with its rabid cockroaches!

          Here is a phenomenon, so a phenomenon Yes
        2. Igor Ushakov
          Igor Ushakov 13 July 2021 19: 23
          +3
          the Ukrainian version of history is always distinguished by its originality
          exactly. The main leb-motive is "Muscovy is the legal successor of the Golden Horde, not Rus." I already wrote a comment below what I think about it.
          Double insanity is that the Crimean Tatars are considered a fraternal people, and the Tatar warrior is in the picture "Defenders of Ukraine", I attach it below

          I will not say anything about the Roman legionnaires at all ...
          1. Orange bigg
            Orange bigg 13 July 2021 19: 44
            +2
            Quote: Igor Ushakov
            the Ukrainian version of history is always distinguished by its originality
            exactly. The main leb-motive is "Muscovy is the legal successor of the Golden Horde, not Rus." I already wrote a comment below what I think about it.
            Double insanity is that the Crimean Tatars are considered a fraternal people, and the Tatar warrior is in the picture "Defenders of Ukraine", I attach it below

            I will not say anything about the Roman legionnaires at all ...


            A picture from some kind of children's comic? laughing good
          2. Cottodraton
            Cottodraton 14 July 2021 02: 05
            +2
            Somewhere in the middle of the right flank, you could have stuck a Betman, with Spider-Man. If such a booze has already gone
    3. credo
      credo 13 July 2021 15: 59
      +4
      Quote: ioan-e
      ... I would like to draw your attention to the fact that this entire "stream of consciousness" belongs to the Minister of Culture of the "European state" ...


      Guys, how did you gore with your "European state". You might think that the mere mention of involvement in it should cause complete subservience to this definition, although it only causes gagging.
      1. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 13 July 2021 17: 45
        +3
        Putin wrote in an article that Ukraine is under external control and what external control led to in 1918 and how tragically the fate of those managers was.
    4. Thrifty
      Thrifty 13 July 2021 16: 13
      0
      Yeah, the first bacterium had a forelock and a mustache, was yellow in front, and behind the one that is called "bwakite", and was called "khokhlushka" lol Our bacteria, with a bottle of vodka and in felt boots, appeared only after a million divisions of the "khokhlushka" lol
      1. Peak
        Peak 13 July 2021 16: 24
        +3
        Quote: Thrifty
        the first bacterium had a forelock and a mustache, was yellow in front, and behind what is called "bwakite"


        You are wrong - the backside was yellow ...
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 13 July 2021 16: 45
          0
          Quote: PiK
          You are wrong - the backside was yellow

          Yellow is a natural addiction to treason, but "blakitnoe" according to today's (tolerant) classification is a tool, so do not confuse the colors of the rainbow, the back is blakyt.
    5. xorek
      xorek 13 July 2021 16: 30
      -5
      They are outraged by the fact that the Russian leader mentioned the unity of the Russian and Ukrainian peoples.

      It was a check svidomye .. Now our hands are free! If you want war, we will be war for you, but in a cunning way .. Run better before it's too late! Soon the owners will begin to merge you, and then we'll see if there is unity or not. hi
    6. Seryoga64
      Seryoga64 13 July 2021 16: 43
      +4
      Quote: ioan-e
      if their distant ancestors dug the Black Sea!

      Anyway, this is the oldest nation on earth
      1. zenion
        zenion 13 July 2021 18: 24
        +3
        Hindus are descended from elephants. Ukrainians from wild boars. And the Rus descended from people.
    7. Clear
      Clear 13 July 2021 16: 51
      +4
      The text of the article was published in two languages ​​- Russian and Ukrainian.

      It was also necessary to write in English, German and French, so that the translation would not be distorted.
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 13 July 2021 18: 01
        +2
        Quote: Clear
        The text of the article was published in two languages ​​- Russian and Ukrainian.

        It was also necessary to write in English, German and French, so that the translation would not be distorted.

        Who is wildly minus ... It seems on the green whistle at VO they gathered all the svidoukro, as well as the God's chosen audience ... they mold the minuses ...
        1. Seryoga64
          Seryoga64 13 July 2021 18: 29
          +4
          Quote: 30 vis
          Who is wildly minus ... It seems on the green whistle at VO they gathered all the svidoukro, as well as the God's chosen audience ... they mold the minuses

          Very noticeable
          1. Clear
            Clear 13 July 2021 23: 06
            +6
            Quote: Seryoga64
            Quote: 30 vis
            Who is wildly minus ... It seems on the green whistle at VO they gathered all the svidoukro, as well as the God's chosen audience ... they mold the minuses

            Very noticeable

            Keep in line, guys bully
            1. Seryoga64
              Seryoga64 13 July 2021 23: 09
              +2
              Quote: Clear
              Keep in line, guys

              Yes ma'am soldier
        2. Clear
          Clear 13 July 2021 23: 05
          +7
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: Clear
          The text of the article was published in two languages ​​- Russian and Ukrainian.

          It was also necessary to write in English, German and French, so that the translation would not be distorted.

          Who is wildly minus ... It seems on the green whistle at VO they gathered all the svidoukro, as well as the God's chosen audience ... they mold the minuses ...

          They crawl into all more or less read Russian sites.
          The elections are coming soon and it will be necessary to create an appropriate background to please the "enlightened" west Yes
          1. Seryoga64
            Seryoga64 13 July 2021 23: 11
            +1
            Quote: Clear
            create an appropriate background to please the "enlightened" west

            Well yes. Those already stopped paying attention to their licking request
    8. hohohol
      hohohol 13 July 2021 16: 52
      +4
      ...... if their distant ancestors dug the Black Sea!

      And by the way, yes, it is necessary to tell the Turks where to find professional seafarers. And then they muddied the channel, and here there are so many hard workers at their side from idleness.
    9. Anachoret
      Anachoret 13 July 2021 17: 02
      +4
      Of course, the commonality of the Ukrainian and Russian peoples has nothing to do with the ethnic Jew Tkachenko)))
      He was not surprised by the originality) either) Zelensky and Tkachenko should be ranked among the indigenous peoples of Ukraine)) Hochma would have been the same))
    10. Aleksandr123
      Aleksandr123 14 July 2021 11: 29
      +1
      "Not original." Maybe. But the Western curators are all very original. LGBT alone is worth something, allowing the baby to rewire him, to enable children to determine who they feel, parent 1 and parent 2 - all this is very original.
  2. Machete
    Machete 13 July 2021 15: 48
    +3
    Forgot the sea ...
    And the pyramids ... And the Sumerians ...
    And God with a forelock.

    Oh, damn it, as these miscarriages from closely related crosses are already tired.
    1. Peak
      Peak 13 July 2021 16: 04
      +1
      Quote: Machete
      Forgot the sea ...
      And the pyramids ... And the Sumerians ...
      And God with a forelock.


      Let the neo-Ukrainians continue to dissect the country with these "historical facts", and Putin, in his article, relied on historical truth and documentary facts.

      I already wrote a little higher that even the Banderlog did not dare to accuse Putin at the official level of distorting history.

      That's what - with what, but with the historical and cultural component in the article everything good , you will not undermine.
      Apparently good consultants have worked on this part.
      1. Clear
        Clear 13 July 2021 16: 53
        +4
        Quote: PiK
        that even the Banderlog did not dare to accuse Putin at the official level of distorting history.

        And what a squeal they raised in the media, this is something belay
        1. Peak
          Peak 14 July 2021 06: 02
          +1
          Quote: Clear
          And what a squeal they raised in the media, this is something

          This is not "what-what", but quite predictable and understandable their reaction. At least somehow, you need to answer ...
      2. Machete
        Machete 13 July 2021 17: 14
        -1
        Something, but if Putin says anything, you will not get to the bottom of it.
        Don't argue.
        1. Oleg Zorin
          Oleg Zorin 13 July 2021 17: 46
          -4
          500 million Russian citizens have taken advantage of the mortgage. You will not get to the bottom
          1. Peak
            Peak 14 July 2021 06: 05
            +3
            Quote: Oleg Zorin
            500 million Russian citizens have taken advantage of the mortgage.

            We are already half a billion, China will catch up a little more belay ?

            Who is it who tried so hard to "tune" so many citizens lol ?
            1. Oleg Zorin
              Oleg Zorin 15 July 2021 09: 20
              +1
              Putin: "More than 500 million people have used preferential mortgages"
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      1. Peak
        Peak 13 July 2021 16: 09
        -3
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        If the Sumerians, then they need to go to Iraq.

        Yes, the Sumerians are there. But Ukraine is increasingly being compared not even with Iraq, but with Afghanistan, its complete uncertainty.
        1. Orange bigg
          Orange bigg 13 July 2021 16: 11
          0
          What do Ukrainians now write in the new version of history books that they descended from the Pashtuns, and not from the Sumerians? laughing
          1. Peak
            Peak 13 July 2021 16: 14
            +1
            Quote: OrangeBigg
            What do Ukrainians now write in the new version of history books that they descended from the Pashtuns, and not from the Sumerians?

            No, they write the same thing, but in fact they turn into Afghanistan.
      2. Machete
        Machete 13 July 2021 17: 15
        +1
        You explain this to them.
        They called the Greeks the descendants of the ukrovs.
  3. Alexga
    Alexga 13 July 2021 15: 49
    +5
    "Kiev princes were the founders of Ukrainian statehood, and modern Russia has nothing to do with the Old Russian state."
    Damn, well, stupid! And why does this subject not speak about where these Kiev princes came from.
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      1. Alexga
        Alexga 13 July 2021 16: 38
        +3
        Because this subject is not profitable

        It's not profitable yet! And if you remember that the entire civilization in those territories was destroyed by the Tatar-Mongols, then the local leaders should be silent in a rag and thank Moscow for their help in the revival. But, by and large, speaking about the revival of those lands, it must be counted from 1854.
    2. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 33
      +2
      According to their version, they flew from Venus ... lol
      1. Alexga
        Alexga 13 July 2021 16: 41
        +3
        According to their version, they flew from Venus ...

        Well what are you! According to their textbooks, they count their history from 150 thousand years BC. I was disgusted while I was reading!
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 July 2021 16: 52
          +4
          Here we laugh, and their generation is growing up, which does not know another and which was brought up in enmity to everything Russian ...
          1. Alexga
            Alexga 13 July 2021 18: 03
            +1
            My two granddaughters went to school there, it's scary to think with what thoughts and knowledge they will leave school.
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 July 2021 18: 08
              +3
              That's just the point, many have relatives in Ukraine and many have already quarreled, and what will happen next ...
              1. Alexga
                Alexga 13 July 2021 18: 22
                0
                and many have already quarreled

                That's it, and I have such a fate, and not only me.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 July 2021 21: 00
                  +2
                  Yes, unfortunately, this trend is only growing ...
    3. Alex Justice
      Alex Justice 13 July 2021 18: 03
      -1
      Kiev was founded by Prince Oleg of Novgorod on his way to Byzantium. He just liked the place on the shore - from the history textbook 1910. I love this book, briefly and truthfully, I reread it many times.
  4. Magnat231
    Magnat231 13 July 2021 15: 51
    +6
    If the photo is of their Minister of Culture, I won't even argue with him, everything is written on his face, it
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 July 2021 16: 00
      +6
      Reception of the Ministry of Culture. The secretary is in tears ...
      -My dear, what's wrong with you?
      -I've been waiting for this call all my life !!! He called and asked: Is this a laundry?
      I suddenly got confused and said - NO !!!
      1. cniza
        cniza 13 July 2021 16: 32
        +3
        Their pause dragged on, now it hasn't died yet ...
    2. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 33
      +5
      Quote: Magnat231
      If the photo is of their Minister of Culture, I won't even argue with him, everything is written on his face, it


      Well, yes, the face is "highly spiritualized" ...
  5. Labrador
    Labrador 13 July 2021 15: 52
    +5
    The news would be much more original if the svidomye supported Putin's article VV .. And so nothing new and unexpected: that's why they are Banderlog, to drive a wedge between peoples. Moreover, there are plenty of potheads among the Slavs.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 31
      +3
      It is necessary to conduct a survey, because only those who are at the trough go into hysterics ...
  6. Alien From
    Alien From 13 July 2021 15: 53
    +3
    What are indignant, a pan on the head and forward to the gay union.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 30
      +2
      It's a shame they don't take them, and even with a saucepan ...
      1. Labrador
        Labrador 13 July 2021 19: 12
        +2
        Judging by the cons of the casters, the working day is over laughing
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 July 2021 21: 03
          +3
          It looks like maybe the finances are over and are no longer minus ... lol
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 13 July 2021 15: 59
    +6
    Kievan Rus ended in 1240 with the capture of Kiev by Batu and the extermination of the townspeople. It was no longer reborn as a city - the capital of any kind of Russia. It happens. And how it was necessary to pull the owl on the globe to deny it.
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 29
      +3
      This was not all we invented, but they defeated Batu and drove him to Muscovy ... lol
    2. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 13 July 2021 18: 09
      0
      Kievan Rus ended earlier. The invasion of Batu and the establishment of control of the Horde recorded this fact. But, at least, the feuds ended there.
  8. rruvim
    rruvim 13 July 2021 16: 02
    0
    The foreman wrote an article about the unity of the Russian and Little Russian people. Tkachenko is related to another people:
    In January 2015, he married Anna Barannik, HR Director of 1 + 1. The ceremony took place in Jerusalem, in the presence of close relatives and friends.
    The word "got married" is also irrelevant to this ceremony, just like Tkachenko and Zelensky to the Little Russian people.
  9. Cowbra
    Cowbra 13 July 2021 16: 12
    +4
    Why be original?

    So how? What is Ukrainian? Resident of the borderland. Nationality Russian
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 28
      +4
      The horses go into hysterics, as they are Russian ... lol
    2. Alt 22
      Alt 22 13 July 2021 17: 52
      -4
      What can you say to the results of the population censuses in Ingushetia, where Ukrainians (then their ethnonym was "Little Russians") were recognized as a separate nationality, and in the USSR and the Russian Federation, according to the results of which Ukrainians are also recognized as a separate nationality?

      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 13 July 2021 18: 32
        +1
        I will say that they are the same nationalities as in the reference "Perm" you quoted. If you don’t know what it’s about, don’t ask. Great, little, and Belarusians in the Republic of Ingushetia were united into one - Russians. Moreover, Russians are not a nationality, but a super-ethnos - do you know about that? Look for it too. Do you know that nationality meant little in RI? Look again.
        As for the USSR, there is a wrong policy of dividing nations, the general meaning is to get rid of imperialism, this is an artificial division.
        1. Alt 22
          Alt 22 14 July 2021 09: 28
          +1
          So, just do not lie and falsifications. "Permyak" is not a nationality, it is TOPONIM - a name associated with a locality, not with an ethnic group. "Little Russia" is precisely an ethnonym. And in the results of the census of the population of RI, it is the ethnonyms that are indicated - there are no "Uralians", "Permians", "Hertsons" - so clearly and unambiguously the number of Little Russians is indicated in different cities of the Russian Empire, as well as with Great Russians, Armenians, Tatars, Bashkirs, Jews and others. You do not want to say that ethnonyms are indicated in the census data along with toponyms? Or do you have "Little Russians" toponym - and why, then, the Russians, the Great Russians, who lived IN THE SAME CITIES as the Little Russians, are considered separately? After all, from the point of view of your logic, a resident of Kharkov is a Kharkov citizen, right? But nevertheless, in the census of the inhabitants of the Kharkov province, the Kharkovites of the Great Russians (local "Perm") were counted separately, as well as the Kharkovites of the Little Russians, right?

          "Russians are not a nationality" - I have not heard such wild Russophobic nonsense for a long time. That is, in your opinion, the Russian people, the Russian ethnos does not exist ???
          "and a super-ethnos" - learn the materiel, open a textbook of ethnography, or at least a dictionary, and read what a super-ethnos really is:

          Superethnos (lat.super - over + Greek. in history as a mosaic integrity.

          A superethnos can easily be called the Russian world - all peoples united by Russians and who are like-minded Russians, while not losing their national identity.
          And the Russians themselves cannot be called a super-ethnos - this is a specific nationality, a people, an ethnos that assimilated dozens of small peoples many centuries ago, from which the Russian people arose - and which exists today precisely as a nationality (ethnos), and not how incomprehensible what kind of "superethnos" ...

          “You know about the fact that nationality meant little in RI,” but you don't know. I see you do not understand why in the plate with the results of the census in the Republic of Ingushetia Armenians, Jews, Tatars are referred to as "nationalities" - although today we consider them DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES.

          And it's just a matter of terminology - the word "nationality" in the Western world means nationality, citizenship or nationality. For example, a local troll from Israel, Sokolov Oleg - Professor, foaming at the mouth, proved to me that there are nationalities "American" and "Israeli" laughing
          Did you understand? A Jew in Israel is an Israeli. But an Arab in Israel is also an "Israeli"! wassat
          And a Russian who moved to Israel with a Jewish family - also became an "Israeli" by "nationality" - does nothing bother you?)

          And in the CIS, the second meaning of the term "nationality" is also widespread - ETHNIC OWNERSHIP. In the Republic of Ingushetia it was called - yes, that's right, "nationality" - that is, a synonym for the word "nationality" in the meaning of "ethnicity, ethnos".

          "About the USSR - the erroneous policy of dividing nations" - the administrative - territorial division according to national characteristics was erroneous, but the USSR never spoke out against the nationalities, and it did the right thing - the Russians, thank God, are not chauvinists.
          1. Cowbra
            Cowbra 14 July 2021 13: 56
            0
            Quote: Alt22
            So, just do not lie and falsifications.

            Now we look at the link given by you, a photo of the census in the Republic of Ingushetia. In the part that under the table - "the rest of the nationalities have a small number of their representatives", and are listed starting with the Czechs. So, between the Zyryans and the Lapps - the Permians, one person each.
            Quote: Alt22
            there are no "Urals", "Perm",

            Then further conversation with someone who frankly does not understand what he is writing as a person - I consider it meaningless.
            And read at your leisure. Sometimes it helps to think.
            https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/rossiyane-kak-politicheskiy-superetnos/viewer
            Otherwise, you will die with one Pedivikia in your head
            1. Alt 22
              Alt 22 14 July 2021 14: 30
              -1
              And so, between the Zyryans and the Lapps - the Permians, one person each.
              - Komi-Perm or Perm; (self-name - Komi mort, Komi otir, Komi-Permyakkez) - people of the Finno-Ugric group living in Russia. Until the 1920s. called themselves Permians, Permians, Permians. Currently, the ethnonym Komi-Perm is used. Their number in 2010 was 95 thousand people. They live in the north-west of the Perm Territory: on the territory of an administrative-territorial entity within the Territory - the Komi-Permyak District, in the Krasnovishersky Municipal District, along the Yazva River - the Yazva Permians, in the Kirov Region (in the Afanasyevsky Municipal District) - the Zyuzdinsky Permians. On the rivers Inva and Nerdva (Kudymkarsky and Yusvinsky districts of the Perm Territory) - Inva Komi-Permians.

              Historically, they were engaged in hunting and fishing, arable farming, and animal husbandry. At present, the main occupations of the Permian Komi are agriculture and work in the timber industry.

              Dear, why did you decide that place names are mentioned in the census of the Republic of Ingushetia? The Permians are one of the ethnic groups of the Republic of Ingushetia. If toponyms were mentioned - where are "Astrakhanians", "Muscovites", "Petersburgers", where are "Kievites"? There are no them - therefore, only ethnic groups, nationalities are mentioned in the table, and that the Permians and the Little Russians are NATIONALITIES, ethnic groups, and not the place of residence.

              Then further conversation with someone who frankly does not understand what he is writing as a person - I consider it meaningless.
              - as your unfortunate example with the PEOPLE of Perm has shown - you are absolutely not versed in the subject. There is no place of residence "Perm" in the census results, there is a nationality - the next time, before you blurt out nonsense, check your application so as not to embarrass yourself, as it is now.
              All the best, I wish you to grow wiser and enrich your knowledge!
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 13 July 2021 16: 14
    +1
    "Not distinguished by originality": Kiev responded to Putin's article about Ukraine
    What has originality here \ there ??? The question for specifics is ...
    And the "originality" is themselves, themselves. succeeded, even turns back their "partners".
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 July 2021 16: 27
      +1
      They have nothing to say, so they will dodge, carrying any blizzard about the Sumerians ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 July 2021 18: 21
        +2
        They would be silent, we can not look like such fools.
        Folk wisdom, this is not about such ... old age will come to them alone, like to many others.
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 July 2021 20: 56
          +2
          Yes, silence is golden, but it does not reach them, as for those who are trying to us ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 July 2021 21: 39
            +2
            There is no one and nothing to talk about .... they are what they are.
  11. Vladislav_2
    Vladislav_2 13 July 2021 16: 19
    -1
    ....... you will ALL be cured there laughing
  12. Bomb
    Bomb 13 July 2021 16: 23
    -3
    Where is the answer to the main question? Are Putin and Zelensky brothers or not =)?
    1. Oleg Zorin
      Oleg Zorin 13 July 2021 18: 52
      +1
      most likely not, because Zelensky is an ethnic Jew
      1. rruvim
        rruvim 14 July 2021 15: 36
        0
        And the Brigadier is an ethnic German. bully
  13. Katanikotael
    Katanikotael 13 July 2021 16: 25
    +2
    The interpretation of history cannot be original. Historical events are recognized as truthful only if there are several different sources describing this event from different angles but not contradicting each other.
  14. cniza
    cniza 13 July 2021 16: 25
    +1
    I would like to draw your attention to the fact that this entire "stream of consciousness" belongs to the Minister of Culture of the "European state".


    And his skunk's face resembles ...
  15. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 July 2021 16: 28
    -1
    They were very offended, Putin V.V did not write a word who dug the Black Sea. But seriously, the power of the article is in one sentence. If there is a threat from the lands that Russia gave to Ukraine, then they can be taken back, and not any 3 world will not be due to Ukraine. Europe is tired of these beggars!
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2021 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Europe is tired of these beggars!

      The whole world is tired, even Guinea Conakry is tired.
  16. 1536
    1536 13 July 2021 16: 28
    +3
    Contradictory article.
  17. Xlor
    Xlor 13 July 2021 16: 30
    +1
    The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture said that Russia allegedly appropriated the name "Rus", being "Muscovy"

    And about the lands appropriated by Skakuasia during the times of the Russian Empire and the USSR, this broiler did not say anything?
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 13 July 2021 16: 57
      +2
      Quote: Xlor
      And about the lands appropriated by Skakuasia during the times of the Russian Empire and the USSR, this broiler did not say anything?

      As in "Wedding in Malinovka", Popandopulo "This is mine, this is also mine, and this is mine, and many times it is mine."
  18. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 July 2021 16: 33
    +2
    The story is generally unoriginal. Naturally, this is the same story, and not to play with horseradish on the piano.
  19. tatra
    tatra 13 July 2021 16: 39
    -1
    Both the Russians and the Ukrainian enemies of the Communists, for the sake of profit, falsified the history of their country and people, because they hate the TRUTH about the history of their country, about what they did themselves during the Soviet period and after their capture of the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR.
    And all together squeal about the mythical "Holodomor" under the USSR, the myth of which was created first by the Americans, then by the Nazis, in order to play off the Russian and Ukrainian peoples. But under Soviet rule this did not succeed, only the enemies of the communists, who seized the RSFSR and the Ukrainian SSR, succeeded. BUT they will never admit this truth, and will cowardly shift the blame on the Bolshevik-Communists.
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 13 July 2021 16: 46
      +5
      Kolomoisky will tell you more precisely.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 13 July 2021 16: 54
        +1
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        Kolomoisky will tell you more precisely.

        Perfect alignment.
  20. wow
    wow 13 July 2021 16: 42
    0
    Foolish, what to take from them skakuas !? Debiloids ....
  21. hagen
    hagen 13 July 2021 16: 44
    0
    I would like to draw your attention to the fact that this entire "stream of consciousness" belongs to the Minister of Culture of the "European state".

    I am ashamed to ask, how does a "European state" differ from, say, a state in Central Africa, to put the question so pathetically? Yes, there are states in Europe in which not very smart people are appointed to the positions of leaders of the first echelon. This is not surprising today. After all, it was Europe that created this state on hatred and lies. Yes, so zealously that normal people scattered in different directions. There are only such left .... And rejoice, gentlemen Europeans, that this is only the Minister of Culture. When the same people start to manage nuclear power plants, then you should think about the liquidation commission. Otherwise, the distance from the Rivne NPP to Lublin is less than 300 km ... laughing
  22. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 13 July 2021 16: 44
    -1
    But I agree with the Ukrainians. Each politician should offer his own original interpretation of all the facts of history without exception! Wow, how interesting then it will be to read all the news! laughing
  23. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 July 2021 16: 52
    +3
    The head of the Ukrainian Ministry of Culture said that Russia allegedly appropriated the name "Rus", being "Muscovy".

    I understand if Vazelin said this, but that the Minister of Culture. From what kind of bedlam they are taken by such menistriv.
  24. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 13 July 2021 16: 54
    -5
    Found the original ...
    -----
    British Prime Minister Boris Johnson, seeing that the Scots cheer for anyone at Euro 2021, if only against the England national team, also decided to write a programmatic article that the British and the Scots are one people. In the end, if Putin was able to write an article about Russians and Ukrainians, then he, Boris, will be able to write about his peoples.

    I called all prominent British historians.

    - I will write a cool article about the fact that the British and the Scots are one people, but I need your help with the historical context.

    The historians looked at each other.

    - Mr. Prime Minister. How would it be softer ... Better not. - answered Boris the most daring historian.
    - Why? Johnson wondered.
    - Where to start, Mr. Prime Minister, - the historian sighed, - everything started when at the end of the XIII century. English king Edward I moved an army against the Scots and forced the local rulers to recognize themselves as a paramount lord. And he imposed a tribute on everyone.
    - Well.
    - The Scots, of course, did not like this, and they began to stir up an alliance with France under the carpet. King Edward I learned about this and invaded Berwick, and a little later the British occupied most of Scotland.
    - Well.
    - Mr. Prime Minister, have you watched Braveheart?
    - "Brave"? Yes, great cartoon.
    - No, Braveheart is about the first major Scottish uprising led by William Wallace. Well, where he is at the end still like: "Friiiiidoooo!" - and the executioner lets out the guts? Do you know who is the main protagonist in this story?
    - Edward I?
    - No.

    The historian sighed.

    - In general, when Wallace was killed, everyone decided that the Scottish question was finally resolved and everyone is now friends.
    - Super, let's write an article.
    - Not. Because a year later, a new war for the independence of Scotland began, which lasted 22 years and ended with the recognition of its independence.
    - ...
    - But then the English king Edward III decided to take revenge and once again tried to conquer Scotland. A new campaign began in 1332 and lasted 25 years, exhausting both the Scots and the British. Scotland, however, remained independent. And it was independent for about two and a half centuries.
    - Um, um. But once did we come together?
    - Well yes. At the beginning of the XNUMXth century. England, being in union with Ireland, united with Scotland.
    - Still, we won them! ..
    - ... Under the rule of the Scottish King James VI, who inherited the English throne from his second cousin Elizabeth I.
    - I.e…
    - Yes. In a sense, it was the Scots who joined us, and not us, theirs. But even after the unification, the Scots did not calm down, in the middle of the XNUMXth century. their nationalist Covenanter movement, upholding the purity of the Presbyterian Church ...

    Two hours passed.

    -… And, in general, now about half of the Scots thinks that Brexit and the revision of economic ties with mainland Europe was a big mistake, Mr. Prime Minister, and is flirting with the idea of ​​holding another referendum on independence. - summed up the historian. - Where do we start an article about the unity of the English and Scottish peoples?
    “We’ll not, we’d better not,” Johnson grunted in displeasure.
    - I said so at the very beginning. The fact is that for your article the history of our Kingdom is necessary ... how could it be softer? Rewrite. Almost from the very beginning. Have a nice day, Prime Minister!
  25. zenion
    zenion 13 July 2021 17: 44
    -5
    In, or in Ukraine, Stalin launched the Holodomor, not only in Ukraine and Russia, Stalin also launched the Holodomor in Poland, Romania and the rest of Europe, as well as in the United States, but they called their Holodomor, which Stalin launched there, the "Great Depression". But Stalin managed to save about a hundred thousand American families by giving them jobs. Husbands worked and sent money to the United States, as Ukrainians do now, thus saving families. But this is the greatest US secret that has not reached the Ukrainians. What relation the Westernizers have to do with the Holodomor in Poland, I have no idea, they were not part of the USSR.
  26. Oleg Zorin
    Oleg Zorin 13 July 2021 17: 47
    -5
    People
    This article is about the collective usage "the people".
    Are there ... ties, effective ties, ties of belonging, of identity of feeling. And also, ties relating to those of practical shared interest.
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  27. Shahno
    Shahno 13 July 2021 18: 08
    -4
    Quote: 30 vis
    Quote: Clear
    The text of the article was published in two languages ​​- Russian and Ukrainian.

    It was also necessary to write in English, German and French, so that the translation would not be distorted.

    Who is wildly minus ... It seems on the green whistle at VO they gathered all the svidoukro, as well as the God's chosen audience ... they mold the minuses ...

    "svidoukro, as well as God's chosen audience"
    Just wondering is this ... Expand the topic.
    Who is this "svidoukry *? And also ... I can not mention" ... select audience "-orde or something ..
  28. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 13 July 2021 18: 14
    +1
    Briefly and clearly in the history of 1910:
  29. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 13 July 2021 18: 22
    0
    From the open spaces ...
    ------
    The article was written not for you, and not for your office! And not even for the Verkhovna Rada! The article was written for those Ukrainians who still have at least a drop of conscience and common sense. A drop of common sense is needed to finally understand that America is far away and if it helps, then only in words, or with used inflatable boats. And Russia will fall in love with a neighbor and a closest neighbor, and if you want normal relations, sooner or later you will have to realize that it is you and no one else who need to reconsider your attitude towards your neighbor. Calm down your imperial ambitions, forget about petty grievances and finally understand that the Russians do not see you as an enemy, they are patiently waiting for you to finally cope with your Nazis and begin to solve pressing problems in the country. And it will not be Daddy who will solve these problems.
    1. Igor Ushakov
      Igor Ushakov 13 July 2021 19: 08
      +1
      The article was written for those Ukrainians who still have at least a drop of conscience and common sense
      surely we have such. I am quoting one of these telegram channels
      # Rumors # Layout # UkrainianCase
      We talked with our various sources and collected everything in a common case.
      An article by Russian President Vladimir Putin about Ukraine is a public message for certain people.
      Also, this message means that the Ukrainian direction of the Kremlin will strengthen, and the strategy may change in the near future. The Kremlin issued a public ultimatum that it is ready to fight for Ukraine with those who now control the country.
      In conclusion, the sources indicated that based on the article, it can be concluded that for Putin the Ukrainian case is a priority. A large number of our sources have highlighted these messages as the main ones in Putin's article about Ukraine.
      “We will never allow our historical territories and people living there to be used against Russia” - this is a public message that Russia does not give up its historical territories and will fight in every way to implement its policy to protect its interests.
      The second most important message:
      “Modern Ukraine is the fruit of the labors of the Soviet government. For political reasons, the Ukrainian SSR was "glued together" from different parts that had nothing to do with Ukraine before (Novorossiya, Crimea), in fact "robbing Russia." Separately, Putin mentioned the Donetsk-Kryvyi Rih Republic, which, by order of Lenin, was poured into the Ukrainian SSR ”- this message means that the strategy of Novorossiya, etc. not closed, but paused.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 13 July 2021 19: 23
        +2
         
        The President of Russia wrote a text about the Russian people, including Ukraine and Russia. As you might expect, a colossal number of bloggers-provocateurs (some - by position and for money, some - from a great mind or for ideological reasons) began to interpret this text. Starting with the fact that it is proof of the "natural aggressiveness" of Russia and ending with the fact that it is the nostalgia of a Soviet person for the Soviet version of history.
         
        I have a completely different view. Of course, this is my personal opinion, they may disagree with him, but nevertheless. And it is built on a very simple thing: I am sure that Putin has begun to feel his strength, and he sees that other people and states also feel it. And he does not separate this power of his from the power of Russia.
         
        No, I am aware (even, perhaps, better than many rabid critics) of the weaknesses of our country. These are economics, finance, and, especially, social policy. I struggle with these shortcomings as much as possible. But! Politics is the art of the possible, and when it comes to interacting with external actors, we need to assess not only our weak points, but also theirs. And their weaknesses have greatly increased in recent years and even months.
         
        Putin knows and understands this much better than we do, also because they themselves tell him about it when they ask for help. And so his sense of power is, in many ways, very personal. But precisely because he does not separate his power from Russia, he understands that it is necessary to radically change domestic policy, primarily in the directions that I have listed above.
         
        And here I am ready to repeat what I have already said in the program about Kudrin (https://khazin.ru/articles/150-rassledovanija/92867-razoblachenie-goda-dejatel-nost-kudrina-oplachivalas-zapadom): building our management machine is based on the ultra-liberal ideology of the 90s. And therefore it is impossible to make claims against specific officials and other characters for insulting citizens and compradorship - they are immanently included in this model of the 90s. If you have not stolen the money, then you are a sucker who can and should be milked! And the money needs to be taken out, because ... Well, since it's mine, what I want is what I do, it's none of your business! And Russia is not interesting to anyone, it is a feudal, wild and backward Rashka, which no one needs!
         
        So, before the reforms start, the basic ideology needs to be changed. That is, roughly speaking, clearly explain that if you want to be with the country, then you must behave this way and not otherwise. And if not, then they must comply with all laws (I remind you that in the liberal logic of the 90s, only suckers must comply with laws, "serious guys" can always pay off). And, accordingly, to return the loot. 
         
        So, it has already become clear that until Putin explains what this ideology is, no one will believe it. And I take Putin's text as the first step in formulating such an ideology, at least in part of the Russian people, Ukraine and Belarus. Why he started from this point - there are many different options, from the fact that this is a basic construction, “who we are,” to the fact that this issue is simply the first on the agenda. And, perhaps, not on our initiative.
         
        So, Putin's text is just an explanation to everyone and everyone how to interpret the concepts of the Russian people in the future! And this is not a threat, not an interpretation, this is just a description of what will be so from now on! And who did not hide - Putin (and Russia) is not to blame (a)! And those who disagree will now be responsible for all the consequences. 
         
        And if earlier our officials and oligarchs could afford, for example, to say that they did not agree with the “annexation of Crimea” or something else, now this will be regarded as anti-Russian activity. Directly directed against our state, with all the ensuing consequences. Of course, this will not fully manifest itself tomorrow, but for all words and / or actions that do not correspond to this concept, you will have to answer from yesterday!
         
        Again, these are not threats. This is just a statement of a reality that is new to many. We are not going to destroy Ukraine, she will cope with it herself, better than us. But those who will already contradict this concept today will not be able to live quite soon on the territory of the Russian people. Because he will feel bad.
         
        In general, something like that. 
        1. Igor Ushakov
          Igor Ushakov 13 July 2021 19: 33
          +2
          And it is built on a very simple thing: I am sure that Putin has begun to feel his strength, and he sees that other people and states also feel it. And he does not separate this power of his from the power of Russia.
          in my opinion, it's obvious. The weak are not noticed, the strong are either hated or respected. Therefore, such a reaction, with the seething around, is increasing.
          the construction of our management machine is based on the ultra-liberal ideology of the 90s. And therefore it is impossible to make claims against specific officials and other characters for insulting citizens and compradorship - they are immanently included in this model of the 90s. If you have not stolen the money, then you are a sucker who can and should be milked! And the money needs to be taken out, because ... Well, since they are mine, what I want, I do it, it's none of your business! And Russia is not interesting to anyone, it is a feudal, wild and backward Rashka, which no one needs!
           
          So, before the reforms start, the basic ideology needs to be changed. That is, roughly speaking, clearly explain that if you want to be with the country, then you must behave this way and not otherwise.

          Believe it or not, I have been trying to convey this simple idea to my compatriots for several years now. They do not understand that the cult of profit in society makes all-encompassing corruption inevitable and invincible. But no, it's easier to blame Russia and the USSR for their shortcomings. A corrupt official under the Union has not yet gone to school, and all the damned past and the "over-the-top" are to blame!
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 13 July 2021 20: 24
            +1
            The bird on its tail brought ...

            The rats ran from the ship ...
            Now it will be removed by MI6. I knew too much ... Walk around looking around, Arseny.
            1. Igor Ushakov
              Igor Ushakov 13 July 2021 21: 14
              +1
              Thank you, I am already in the know, I have subscribed to the necessary telegram channels.
              The rats ran from the ship ...
              or have decided to step aside and catch some fish in troubled water. Everything is muddy, dumb, unclear, dirty.
              Now it will be removed by MI6. 
              if they catch up and get caught.
            2. rruvim
              rruvim 14 July 2021 15: 42
              0
              Pashana mayuchi! What does he attribute in Russian? Breaking the laws, however!
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  30. Igor Ushakov
    Igor Ushakov 13 July 2021 18: 57
    0
    Tkachenko claims: the Kiev princes were the founders of the Ukrainian statehood, and modern Russia has nothing to do with the Old Russian state.
    on the Moscow throne were representatives dynasty of Rurik, not Genghis Khan. The rulers themselves bore titles grand dukes and kings, not khans or noyons. And so beloved by our "patriots" Grand Duke Svyatoslav the Brave and so unloved (undeservedly) Tsar Ivan IV the Terrible belonged to one dynasty.
    The issue has been resolved with full admissibility, period.
    Tired of these uneducated propagandists of ours!
  31. Dart2027
    Dart2027 13 July 2021 19: 09
    +2
    And why should Putin be original when he is just telling the truth.
  32. Oleg Aviator
    Oleg Aviator 13 July 2021 20: 02
    +2
    Well, the snout .... One is better than the other. They are probably grown there in the Cabinet of Curiosities.
  33. 123456789
    123456789 13 July 2021 20: 59
    0

    Mistakes must not be admitted, they must be washed off, with blood!
  34. Fenia04
    Fenia04 13 July 2021 21: 48
    +1
    Of course, of course, the truth is not original.
    Better how they lie and lie?
  35. Antonio_Mariarti
    Antonio_Mariarti 13 July 2021 22: 48
    -4
    It is difficult to say whether one nation or not. For example, Croats, Bosnians, Serbs, Slovenes are one people, but they speak different languages. It is because of the language that they were divided into countries, as outwardly, cultural they can be said alone. So it is with us, if the USSR, instead of encouraging the development of the Ukrainian language, did everything so that there was only Russian - Ukraine would be a part, because what other reasons would there be for another country? After all, the most important differences between peoples are languages. Externally, mentally, we are very similar.
    1. Keer
      Keer 14 July 2021 02: 11
      0
      On the contrary, they say very similar ones, and Serbs and Croats, and at all, practically on the same.
  36. opuonmed
    opuonmed 13 July 2021 23: 43
    0
    All the tricks associated with the anti-Russia project are clear to us. And we will never allow our historical territories and people who are close to us living there to be used against Russia. And to those who make such an attempt, I want to say that in this way they will destroy their country. I don’t understand this dk we don’t do anything to liberate Ukraine
  37. Object.F7
    Object.F7 14 July 2021 04: 08
    0
    Rhoa historians agreed in a dispute with UPA historians for the title of the best anti-Soviet. Under the empire in 1917, the bomb was not laid by the Bolsheviks in October, but by the imperial bourgeoisie along with all sorts of Kolchaks, who, as a result of a palace coup, betrayed the tsar in February and launched all further processes of the empire's disintegration. When there is a mess in the capital, separatism begins on the outskirts, a common story. But even if you believe in the tale about the "Bolsheviks who planted the bomb", for some reason, both in the Second World War and until Afghanistan itself, Russian-Ukrainian-Belarusians for each other died together in battle, while the Gorbachev-Yeltsin-Kravchuk destroyed the Union, thereby planting the bomb that explodes today. And Putin, along with the oligarchs and other Chubais, is also involved. And not only under the three peoples Mina, Georgians-Ossetians, Armenians-Azerbaijanis, Tajiks-Kyrgyzs, Chechnya, all these and future conflicts in the Russian Federation are the result of treacherous restructuring and the surrender of territory from the Berlin Wall itself, where Putin was a participant again. But it is easier to blame the Bolsheviks on the responsibility. On the other hand, "Stalin starved the Ukrainians", but as a result of a bad harvest due to the weather, people died in the European territory of Russia, and even in Poland there was a fierce famine for the same reason, but this is generally a different country, let's also write down on Stalin, he ruined the weather and the harvest for everyone, he still can't answer anything. By the way, millions of Americans who died of hunger as a result of the Great Depression in the same 1930s can also be safely blamed on Stalin and other Bolsheviks.
    1. yehat2
      yehat2 15 July 2021 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: Object.F7
      917, the bomb was not planted by the Bolsheviks in October, but by the imperial bourgeoisie

      you are confused about what to call a bomb.
      the bomb was not specific events, but the fact of social order. The nobility owned almost all the resources in the country, but at the same time did not perform any functions, which rapidly destroyed the state - for example, the shame of the Russian-Japanese war of 1905 - its beginning and course completely lies with the nobility. And the degradation began with the concessions and privileges given by Catherine.
      And the bourgeois, as objectively the most progressive class, acted as a completely natural ram, which destroyed this device, but the ram did not push itself - the whole society crushed. (the upper classes cannot, the lower classes do not want to).
      Then, after the February bourgeois revolution, RI, if it had not fought, would most likely have remained bourgeois, but peripheral weak capital is very weak in wars, and the number of problems overwhelmed the objective possibilities of this order, plus Kerensky multiplied them with his mediocre management. As a result, the second situation was created. But with completely different motives.
      And the second revolution was not carried out by the Bolsheviks at all, but mainly by the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Cadets.
      And the Bolsheviks, although they participated in the revolution, due to their small number, had little influence and only won the competition for leadership after the demolition of power, offering the path most supported by the population, winning over most of the councils to their side.
      And already the third conflict - the failed coup of the radicals (Socialist-Revolutionaries and Cadets) in the summer of 18, and made the Bolsheviks the dominant political force and party. Those. the VKPB began to bear real full responsibility only after this attempted rebellion and repression after.
      By the way, it was not a Bolshevik who shot the royal family, but an Social Revolutionary, and without coordinating this with the responsible committee.
      Those who speak about the bomb of the Bolsheviks for the autocracy are simply ignorant, not knowing their history and the theory of Marxism.
  38. grassyknollgunner
    grassyknollgunner 14 July 2021 05: 36
    0
    We must go to the West as far as Lvov, liberate Russia. There won't be another chance. Talking to them is useless ...
  39. Pavel73
    Pavel73 14 July 2021 06: 36
    0
    The real reason for all these quirks is the unfulfilled imperial ambitions of the Ukrainian elite. It was not Kiev that became the center and capital of Russia, but Moscow. And now it pisses them off. To such an extent that they are now ready to rewrite history, cut the people apart, renounce the very concept of "Russian", lie under any enemy, but only so as not to be, as they believe, "under the Muscovites." Banal envy and hatred stemming from it. Ukraine behaves exactly like a capricious and spoiled little brother.
  40. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
    tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 14 July 2021 11: 09
    0
    Minister of Culture of Ukraine ... with the face of a selyuk in the bazaar, trying to cheat the buyer with a lame mongrel instead of a pig in a sack ...
  41. Radius
    Radius 14 July 2021 12: 04
    +1
    I wonder why someone suddenly decided that the GDPR article should be "distinguished by originality"? For original historical delights, you should turn to Nosovsky and Fomenko! :)
    1. rruvim
      rruvim 14 July 2021 15: 45
      0
      Actually, Tkachenko turns to them. Looks like Barannik from Jerusalem took him tightly by the balls.
  42. Irbiz123
    Irbiz123 14 July 2021 13: 08
    0
    From the statements of Tkachenko, the puddle has already boiled!
  43. bk316
    bk316 14 July 2021 17: 42
    0
    I don't understand why a popular science article should be original.
    This clown reprise must be fresh.
    Probably confused presidents laughing
  44. alexander 08
    alexander 08 14 July 2021 18: 22
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    This Tkachenko, ordinary regular half-educated ragul, who have flooded the government and the Rada of the outskirts! In the tower he has a Bandera vinaigrette mixed with the most ancient diggers of the seas!
  45. yehat2
    yehat2 15 July 2021 09: 58
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    Tkachenko claims: the princes of Kiev were the founders of Ukrainian statehood
    This theory was created only at the beginning of the last century in Kiev by one of the nationalist professors. Never before has any source voiced or confirmed this. But Khrushchev, due to opportunistic considerations, began to rigidly and actively promote this theory and even introduced it into textbooks. Tkachenko and other Ukrainians have no other grounds for voicing this version. This was analyzed in detail by the historian Spitsyn in his speeches and by a number of other scholars with specific references to historical sources and events. This issue has been fully analyzed, open and no longer presupposes discussions due to the unambiguousness of the conclusions.
    1. Kuzmitsky
      18 July 2021 21: 02
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      The essence of what Tkachenko said is not that the Kiev princes were the founders of Ukrainian statehood, but that they are the founders of ONLY Ukrainian statehood. This is the whole game of what has been said. Say, the Old Russian state has nothing to do with modern Russians.

      It is no less game when they say that modern Ukrainians have nothing to do with Ancient Rus.

      But the truth is, as often happens, most likely. in the middle. I think that the Old Russian state, which is often called Kievan Rus, was the first state of all Eastern Slavs, or Russians, who were still a single people at that time. And only much later they were divided into Great Russians, Little Russians and Belarusians.