Rostec announced the show of a fundamentally new military aircraft at MAKS-2021

The Russian state corporation Rostec has announced the demonstration of a fundamentally new military aircraft. According to a press release published on the state corporation's website, the presentation will take place as part of the MAKS-2021 international aerospace show.

A fundamentally new military aircraft will be presented by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) on the first day of the opening of the air show - July 20. In addition, for those who cannot visit the exhibition in person, the aircraft presentation will be shown on the YouTube channels of Rostec and UAC. The countdown to the premiere of the project began today at midnight.

The details of the project are not presented on its official page, there is only a short 35-second presentation video, which of course does not reveal either the appearance or features of the new aircraft.

According to the representative of Rostec, Russia is a country with full-cycle technologies for the development and production of promising aviation complexes and has long been a trendsetter in aircraft construction. The novelty, the presentation of which will take place in the near future, will arouse genuine interest not only in Russia, but also abroad, we are confident in the state corporation.

The International Aviation and Space Salon MAKS-2021 will be held from 20 to 25 July in Zhukovsky, Moscow Region.

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[Reserve buildbat]

That is, even the purpose of the aircraft is not yet known? Intrigue is catching up

[FenH]

Quote: stock buildbat

That is, even the purpose of the aircraft is not yet known? Intrigue is catching up

RUB 1,8 trillion on civil aircraft until 2030 are going to invest. But intrigue from the military

[Babay Atasovich]

The plane will not only be invisible, but also fly backwards! .... at the expense of invisibility, I doubt it, but in "back to front" - it is quite possible from the Russian Federation! If "abra-kadabru" is sausage on the pistons of the yak, then what can be expected from the variable thrust vector ?! The best fighters are RUSSIAN !!!

[Alex777]

There is a project that was launched in 2018.
Military. Brand new. VTOL aircraft. We are waiting for the presentation.

The development of a vertical takeoff and landing combat aircraft is included in the state armament program for 2018-2025, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov said. According to him, Vladimir Putin personally instructed to revive VTOL aircraft in the Russian army. Now the creation of models and prototypes is underway, writes the TASS agency.

https://www.vesti.ru/article/1432175

[El Chuvachino]

I had a dream the other day and there was a device similar to the Yak-141 ...

[Alex777]

Good dream. Promising in many ways.
Another 30 product is on the way. It will be beautiful, I hope.

[El Chuvachino]

That's for sure, Alexander!

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Yes VTOL aircraft would be very cool.

Then the capabilities of the two UDCs under construction in Kerch will increase to the level of an aircraft carrier.

But I think it's still a light single-engine fighter using low-signature technology.

Moreover, it will be mainly focused on export, so the video shows Arabs, Vietnamese and Indians. They are apparently viewed as potential buyers.

Light version of the Su-57.

And who likes it later it will be easier to buy and master several heavy Su-57s.

If so, it’s quite good.

[Alex777]

Yes VTOL aircraft would be very cool.
Then the capabilities of the two UDCs under construction in Kerch will increase to the level of an aircraft carrier.

I am sure that the UDC is being built for this.
And about the rest below I unsubscribed.

[Magog_]

VTOL aircraft should be expected along with the appearance of the UDC.

[Alex777]

VTOL aircraft should be expected along with the appearance of the UDC.

By the time the UDC appears, VTOL aircraft must be tested, built in the required quantity and mastered by the personnel.

[Magog_]

UDCs are also being created for helicopters. If we recall the history of the construction and service of the cruisers of the project 1123 ("Moscow" and "Leningrad"), then in the process of mastering new ships, it is possible to test and then train the aircraft in the use of new VTOL aircraft. Only now there is the Soviet experience of such a "symbiosis", and it is possible to lay down the possibility of carrying helicopters and such airplanes immediately during the construction of ships. In the meantime, the plane is being made, to master the helicopter weapons. Ideally, the VTOL aircraft should be simultaneously with the UDC ...

[Alex777]

I didn't notice your nickname right away.
Why was this chosen?

[Magog_]

The question is off topic, sorry.

[Babay Atasovich]

Freaks, minus. But they can really do it "back to front". I don’t doubt it.

[A009]

You don't need to doubt. To doubt is to think. You need to write what is commanded, period.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: A009

You don't need to doubt. To doubt is to think. You need to write what is commanded, period.

I was "commanded" only by the Lord, in whom I do not believe. I have mastered 5 types, with each new one I only admired. I believe in Ilyushins, Tupolevs, Antonovs - they CAN even create a flying saucer! You eltsenyats need to express this urya-patriotism, but I flew mine and hope that I will still fly.

[A009]

It is commanded by the Lord - in whom you do not believe; yours flew off, but you still hope to fly.
Sorry to start an argument with you. You're right. All the best.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: A009

It is commanded by the Lord - in whom you do not believe; yours flew off, but you still hope to fly.
Sorry to start an argument with you. You're right. All the best.

I don’t believe in God, because I have been THERE twice, flew off - physically I can no longer, but my honor does not allow me to talk crap. I have the honor!

[x.andvlad]

The intrigue is powerful! Everything in the genre of information attack, and nothing in particular. At least they would say what is the fundamental novelty or advantages.
The only confusing thing is that in recent years there has been a strong impression: the louder the announcement, the louder the failure. Pah-pah ...

[jayich]

At 18 seconds, the profile of the aircraft is visible, where the characteristic features of the tail of the 141st are visible, this would be a real niche for export, and Borisov promised a vertical.

[Zaurbek]

I think the Light Fighter ....... The vertical aircraft is a complex topic and there are no ready-made units. And here both Su57 and Hunter are doing ....... And the vertical has no place to apply it with us. No carriers

[donavi49]

Well, if it is aiming at export, then there are a lot of competitors in the lightweight division now, and not in the future. Starting from FA-50 Korean with AFAR from Leonardo and AIM-120S6, ending with Thunder from Pakistani-Chinese. This I miss all sorts of F-16, Gripen, Rafali.

But the vertical structure looks more promising, well, here it is:
- to strengthen their UDC - order.
- Turkish Istanbul + exchange-training wing + they want to build one more = 32-40 cars are easy to sell.
- China, count 2 UDCs in the composition + 3 complete, the program for 6 UDCs (probably the second three will be either Type076 - with a reinforced UAV air group and finishers for heavy UAVs or an improved 075). China will easily buy 120-160 cars.

- India. On Vikra, their own avik, and they also want, like their uncles, a smooth-deck UDC, while they collect money and select candidates for the competition. But again, it is quite possible to sell 30-60 cars if they give a ride with the F-35.
- Egypt. It may well acquire for Sinai and Vladivostok with Sevastopol.

Well, the main competitor is only one F-35.

[Zaurbek]

The VTOL market is small ...... even smaller than the deck market .... Plus, the long work of the Yakovlevna Design Bureau is no longer in that form. and here all the components are there

[donavi49]

Well, the LMFI market is divided among strong competitors. Rich countries disappear - because they take the F-35. Others choose between F-35, Grippen, Rafal, F-16, Thunder, FA-50.

VTOL has no competitors now. They don't sell the F-35 to Turkey, that's all. All of them will never be sold to China. Egypt is similar. India is variable, but the chances are very real. There are other countries with the possibility of purchasing a VTOL aircraft if it is quite cheap and modern, but the F-35 is not sold.

That is, if anything, then in the VTOL aircraft - F-35 or nothing. But in the LMFI for any tender it is really possible to collect 3-4 competitors.

[Zaurbek]

Globally, independent -
RF, China with our TRD, F16, Grippen and all are sharpened on components from the USA.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Zaurbek

I think Light Fighter ...

I am of the same opinion.
Our line of fighters produced mainly includes heavy fighters. MiG-29-35 - seemingly light, but compared to the Su-30. But we really have no lungs.
For our large country, a light fighter may be needed, but I would not say that it is necessary. But the export potential of single-engine, for countries with a small military budget, is quite decent.
In general, I think that the plane will be oriented not for itself, but for export.

[the most important]

Quote: Zaurbek

Think Light Fighter ...

Anything can be ... MIG-41, MIG light fighter, SU light fighter, PAK YES, vertical, something else unknown, and of course we shouldn't forget about the new maize maker! Here it is that much longer than anyone else.

[Constanty]

After all, the new is the well-forgotten old

Another thing is that modernized with the help of the latest achievements of the Yak-141, it would be a useful aircraft today with significant export potential.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: x.andvlad

Pah-pah ..

Spit, do not spit, and experience shows that everything loudly promoted is put on the back burner. A striking example of the super tram R 1, which was shown with such fanfare on all channels, and on the Internet the Zaputins were choking with pathos. As a result, a museum.
Huge state money is spent on the development of the Terminator, Armata, and then it turns out that they are not needed. I remembered the case when the company of Chemezov's wife was allocated a billion (!) For the development of a domestic automatic transmission for Grant. They forgot about the yard, and Grants still have Japanese automatic transmissions (to the delight of the owners).
Nothing will change in our country while the tsar sovereign shuffles a marked deck of his friends.

[Pilot]

I believe it will be a Cossack airborne transporter, battalions will be parachuted with horses. Who does not know, the mummers were offered to enroll in the Russian Guard, the guarantor supported this initiative of Chaika. https://www.gazeta.ru/politics/2021/07/10_a_13718930.shtml

[KCA]

Does Rostec need to develop its automatic transmission if it owns 25% of the shares and Renault-Nissan-Mitsubishi 75%? And the allocated money could have gone to another development.

[Login_Off]

I don’t think it’s possible to do something fundamentally new.
Well, maybe a round flight with gravitsapy.

[Zorro21]

Quote: x.andvlad

the louder the announcement, the louder the failure

Nothing to say, so they create intrigue. Otherwise advertised in advance. It is immediately clear that the project is close to failure or absurdity. And they do not want to discredit the exhibition in advance.

[Barberry25]

It's funny, if the project is a failure, then why show it at all? Isn't it easier to put a model in a corner and forget?

[bayard]

The intrigue has definitely appeared. So far, one can only assume that the aircraft is unambiguously combat .. It is unlikely that it will be another modification of the Su-34M or Su-30SM2 type, besides, they have already been discussed.
About a month ago, I heard that some fighter was being prepared for display from a person who saw this plane, albeit from afar in the air. Then I did not take it seriously, but now I can only assume two of these:
- either it is the same MiG-41, about which there have been rumors of an imminent presentation recently,
- or it is the VTOL aircraft of the Yakovlev Design Bureau, which has been under development for several years and which became possible with the advent of the Izdeliye-30 engine.

I don't expect major breakthroughs, but interest has definitely appeared.

[Barberry25]

I would not say that the intrigue .. I suspect that it will be either about the export su-57, or the single-engine 57th, or they will offer the modernization of the su-30go .. or a set of all sorts of pilots from different countries hints .. the 41st is unlikely .. this is pure car for our videoconferencing

[bayard]

Quote: Barberry25

..I suspect that we will talk either about the Su-57 export

For a two-seater T-50, it's probably too early, they just wouldn't have had time.
The single-engine on the backlog of the Su-57 was even earlier.
Su-30SM2 - it is quite possible, because the one that I heard about (but I'm not sure that the person saw everything correctly) is twin-engine. In addition, the Su-30SM2 was promised to be shown this year.
MiG-41 - has a chance to appear, because about two engines, but personally I think it is generally superfluous in our VKS.
VTOL aircraft from KB Yak - also very early.
A week left, we'll find out soon.

[Barberry25]

well, judging by the video there is an export machine ... in general, we wait and drink tea

[Alex777]

It's probably too early for a two-seater T-50

If we were not talking about a fundamentally new thing, then I would have bet on this option. It is quite suitable for export.

The single-engine on the backlog of the Su-57 was even earlier.

MiG-41 - has a chance to appear, because about two engines, but personally I think it is generally superfluous in our VKS.

Fundamentally new, but I agree that it is too early for them to appear.

VTOL aircraft from KB Yak - also very early.

Having crossed out all the previous, I see nothing else but this.

[Barberry25]

the air intakes on the roller are similar to the su-57

[Runoway]

or it is the VTOL aircraft of the Yakovlev Design Bureau, which has been under development for several years and which became possible with the advent of the Izdeliye-30 engine.

Interesting bird

[prior]

To hide the failure of aircraft construction, they will show a cartoon about the unparalleled world "a fundamentally new military aircraft" and plywood layout.

[Artyom Karagodin]

Quote: prior

To hide the failure of aircraft construction

There are enough problems there, as elsewhere, and no one argues. But why bother with "all-prophecy"? Su-57, MS-21, PD-14 - is this, in your opinion, a failure?

[Kama74]

<<< Su-57, MS-21, PD-14 >>>
and where is it all?

[jayich]

And this is all in metal and flies, ms21 assembled 6 boards, su 57 assembled at least 12 boards, pd-14 made at least 30 products.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: jayich

And this is all in metal and flies, ms21 assembled 6 boards, su 57 assembled at least 12 boards, pd-14 made at least 30 products.

He probably also does not have the Crimean Bridge.

[silver_roman]

lads, and wines sho vzhe e? That is all chromakey. dumb yogo, but if e, then at earthquake immediately fold ...
Hopefully the sarcasm will be clear. to whom it is not clear, I will translate). I have never written in Ukrainian transliteration yet))).

[Kama74]

A brick can fly ... for a short time ..
All this it seems to be - but it does not seem to exist ..
Of course, you can collect 5 planes and throw your caps into the air with happiness ..
Only benefits from this

[Orange bigg]

... Of course, you can collect 5 planes and throw your caps into the air with happiness ..
Only benefits from this

Ukraine, for example, assembled one An-178 back in 2015, the caps left in the air with happiness. So for this it is not always necessary to assemble 5 aircraft. This is specifically talking about caps.

[Kama74]

It would seem that what does Ukraine have to do with it?

[Orange bigg]

Quote: Kama74

It would seem that what does Ukraine have to do with it?

Well, you yourself started talking about the caps. I gave an example where they are thrown above everyone else.

[Kama74]

Ahh, I understood. By the principle * let your own cow die if only the neighbor has two *

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Well, if there are as many as 6 boards, then yes, success. Against the backdrop of thousands of competitors.
Nda, tell someone in the USSR that the inhabitants of Russia will be proud of as many as SIX boards, they would not have believed it. They would have decided that it was after a nuclear war.

[carstorm 11]

Su 57 is supplied. Slowly but accelerate. For this, everything is done in Komsomolsk. MC 21 has already taken off and is being tested. PD 14 from the same opera. It's okay.

[Login_Off]

Forgot to mention Superjet.
The only export of all of the above. However, nafig was not needed. Why?
But for ourselves we will buy everything, albeit not of the best quality, we will also allocate money and finish it.

[Artyom Karagodin]

"The plaster is being removed, the client is leaving! Chef, everything is gone."

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Why?

Because it loses to competitors. And first of all - in service, which is unacceptable for civil aviation.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Kama74

<<< Su-57, MS-21, PD-14 >>>
and where is it all?

Completely blind, or what?

[prior]

It is easier to name the aircraft produced by Russia, with the production of which there are no problems, because they are practically nonexistent. The only exceptions are, perhaps, Sukhoi military aircraft (SU-30, SU-34, SU-35). They did not manage to destroy the Soviet production.
All trucks, tankers, firefighters, strategists, sailors, AWACS, corn workers, passengers - leave the opportunity only to dream of sufficient quantities.
And instead of solving the existing problems, the country is slipping another "carrot".

[Orange bigg]

... It is easier to name the aircraft produced by Russia, with the production of which there are no problems, because they are practically nonexistent.

Il-76MD-90A, Tu-204, Il-96-300 are produced in small batches. The Il-114-300, Il-112V, MS-21-300 / 310, Il-78M-90A are tested and manufactured for testing.

The only exception is, perhaps, Sukhoi military aircraft (SU-30, SU-34, SU-35). They did not have time to destroy Soviet production.

In the Union, the production of the Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35, Su-57, Mig-29 KUB / K, MiG-35 was not established. These machines were created and established their production in Russia.

.All trucks, tankers, firefighters, strategists, sailors, AWACS, corn workers, passengers - leave the opportunity only to dream of sufficient quantities.

Well, everything did not work out right away, Moscow was not built right away. Over time, production will be established in sufficient quantities.

[lis-ik]

Su-34 development of the USSR, mid-80s.

[lis-ik]

SU-34. Development in 1986, first flight in 1990, minus players, what side is the Russian Federation?

[Barberry25]

and where in the world were projects without problems?

[Blackgrifon]

Surprise, but Ilys, MCs and Superjets are being made (the latter, oddly enough (for the hayers), are being used more and more actively over the past two years).
Su-30/34/35, MiG-29M / K, Yak-130, new carcasses are under construction. Su-57 went into production.
On the turntables, too, everything is not bad.
"Carrot" is offered for export and no one "instead of solving problems" is presenting it.

[Zaurbek]

Have you forgotten the dogmas?
1. We ourselves cannot do anything
2. What is good is stolen from progressive people.
3. What is not stolen, developed by the Germans ..... prisoners.
4. If we do something, it's a cut.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: prior

To hide the failure of aircraft construction, they will show a cartoon about the unparalleled world "a fundamentally new military aircraft" and plywood layout.

At 83m, a new car (future moment 29) appeared on the a / d - the regiment commander could not come closer than 50 meters - the order to the soldier was to shoot regardless of rank. Do you think something has changed?

[Zelimkhan]

Rostec announced the show of a fundamentally new military aircraft

An airplane based on the new physical principles that have been talked about so much recently?

[Sasha from Uralmash]

We have such devices, but we will not tell you about them ...!

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sasha from Uralmash

Such devices, but we will not tell you about them ...!

Is the shirt long?

[Jacket in stock]

I went to the Rostec website. Following the link to this project, the site was stupid for a long time, then it gave out a picture about Dubai ???
If they and planes do the same, it is surprising that something else is flying.

[FenH]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Stopped in to the Rostec website... Following the link to this project, the site was stupid for a long time, then gave out a picture about Dubai ???
If they and planes do the same, it is surprising that something else is flying.

Not reading carefully again?

Details of the project on its official page are not presented, there is only a short 35-second presentation video, which of course does not reveal either the appearance or features of the new aircraft.

[jayich]

Watch for 18 seconds and compare.

[Login_Off]

It's about fundamentally new. I think this is fundamentally new, it is without wings.

[Voenmeh]

I agree. Similar. I also had this thought at 18 seconds.

[Eug]

There was, it seems, the next modification - Yak-43 with wing influxes and a more "integral" fuselage. Rather, the "fundamentally new" will be similar to it.

[Babay Atasovich]

Quote: Jacket in stock

If they and planes do the same, it is surprising that something else is flying.

My neighbor drives moonshine, but says that it is his neighbor who gives him for sale - unambiguously the moonshine is GOOD !!!!

[Blackgrifon]

There is only a website with a back report to the presentation:
https://checkmate.uacrussia.ru

[Jacket in stock]

And so on Life already all the performance characteristics and the composition of the equipment, and even a list of buyers,

[Zelimkhan]

Perhaps the article is about a promising series of aircraft "Pobeda"
This is the development of a whole family of universal aircraft to participate in the annual aviation component, the military parade, in honor of Victory Day.
The modular design will make it possible, on the basis of one seat, steering wheel and landing gear, to create the entire range of aircraft from a training glider to a strategic bomber.
The main difference from the current generation of aircraft will be their military-patriotic coloring and stickers.
Each unit will have a unique number consisting of several numbers and letters.

[Kama74]

Don't joke like that)) here on the forum the audience is like that, they can take it at face value))

[Asad]

The intrigue fell through! Meehan would warmly support this initiative!

[113262a]

Whether it was in the USSR, they quickly and quietly developed, tested and put into service. The adversaries bite their elbows, and only then, Le BOURGE, and other brides! And there is so much noise, but for the show there is NO ANALOGUE ... IL-18 with fashionable tips on the wings. (just for example!)

[Pico]

You read my mind

[carstorm 11]

Potgmu that we are the second in sales of weapons in the world without having a manual market called NATO. And these markets need to be nourished and developed.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

Potgmu that we are the second in sales of weapons in the world without having a manual market called NATO.

But we have a manual market in third world countries, to which we recently wrote off multibillion-dollar debts.
And the second place, which you are so proud of, is losing its position from year to year.

The five leaders in terms of arms exports include the United States, Russia, France, Germany and China. The United States (2010%) and France (2014%) showed the most significant sales growth over the past five years compared to 23-72. At the same time, the volume of Russian arms exports, according to SIPRI, decreased by 18% over the specified period.
09.07.20g. RIA

And all because the honorable 2nd place is based on the modernization of the USSR's developments. Only.

[carstorm 11]

There is not even 10 percent of the Soviet. Literally. The fact that we are losing markets is understandable. States are systematically destroying competition. I won't argue with you about debts. You won't understand anyway.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: carstorm 11

There is not even 10 percent of the Soviet.

Is it because you said so?
The T-90 is a deep modernization of the T-72, the Su-35 is also the modernization of the Su-27. All "newest" developments, with rare exceptions, are developments of the late 80s.

Quote: carstorm 11

States are systematically destroying competition.

What are you? Then why are the shares of China and other countries growing?

Quote: carstorm 11

I won't argue with you about debts. You won't understand anyway

Nobody will understand this. Nobody forgave Russia old debts.

[carstorm 11]

Yeah. That's just there from the Soviet only corps. What does debt have to do with it when I said competition? Taking shchakony supposedly about countering the opponents of the United States, we get a situation like Indonesia. Who could and wanted to buy 35 but they stupidly twisted her arms. This is how the competition is killed.

[Okolotochny]

Yes, yes, "the development of the USSR", "developed a whole car factory VAZ", "developed" Italy from the NATO country for 2,5 yards of greenery, supported a potential enemy.

[113262a]

And how many armature boomerangs have already been sold there? Drones of all kinds? And in the troops of this good, just heaps? Recharge and development, so and rushing!) _))

[carstorm 11]

You cannot sell what the state has not yet passed.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

Second. Only you forgot to write that following the results of the previous five-year plan, Russia lost a fifth of its share.
About ten years ago, Russia was among the leaders in space launches and commercial ones. Today it is in third place in terms of launches, and there is practically no commerce, apart from the contract with OneWeb. Two (I emphasize, two) contracts for the launch of commercial satellites - that's all that Russia now has.
But before, people like you also talked about the first place. Now the first has turned into the third, and commercial launches have gone to zero.
I don't know how else to write to get it: ZERO. Zero. Nothing.

[carstorm 11]

I didn’t tell you anything) Do not pull it by the ears. As for the losses, it is strange to be surprised at this) the states twist the hands of all buyers with threats, sanctions, laws on the opponents of the United States. It would be foolish to hope for the opposite result. Competition has been virtually eliminated. And the consequences have not even come to this mess. About space, on the contrary. The competition there has grown, and while we do not realize the fact that state structures will always lose to private traders, nothing will change.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

You are not, but people like you are very even. With contempt, they said through their lips that we were taking the Americans to the ISS and launching satellites, and that in the first place.
Ten years have passed: cargo has ceased to be transported, people have ceased to be transported, contracts for satellites have ended, contracts for engines too.
Complete failure under the plinth.
Now history repeats itself with the arms market. The share of Russia on it is falling (!), And noticeably. Falling, but others like you continue to insist that the country is in second place.
Yes, now the second. So what? Five years will pass - there will be a third, and then everything will roll somewhere to the end. It is already rolling.

[carstorm 11]

I already told you why they fall. Competition has been destroyed. Now the product is chosen not according to its capabilities and performance characteristics, but according to whether the states will allow it or not. You can be indignant for a long time, but in such conditions the sales are very good. Understand that in 14 the world has changed dramatically. All rules and treaties have been destroyed. Therefore, we draw the red lines on a new one. In fact, everything starts from scratch in a new reality.

[Victorio]

Quote: 113262

And there is a lot of noise, but the show has NO ANALOGUES

===
a whole (and powerful) stratum of the population has formed, directly related to the media space, some create / spin / use "noise" and the like for something, while others, behind the computer screen, somehow react and add their own. tens-hundreds of millions

[jayich]

Judging by the video, this is an analogue of fu 35go, i.e. Perhaps the ideas of the 141st are alive and well, then it becomes clear why 2 Ivan Tarawa were laid in Kerch, and why the president said about them that they would not be exactly helicopter carriers, but something more.
I'd like to believe that our vertical take-off and landing aircraft will receive worthy receivers.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: jayich

I'd like to believe that our vertical take-off and landing aircraft will receive worthy successors.

It is unlikely that such aircraft will be called:

Groundbreaking military aircraft will be presented by the United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) on the first day of the opening of the air show - July 20.

What to guess - in a week, ahnm!

[Orange bigg]

Is it a MiG-41? Most likely a Su-57.

[jayich]

Damn it, for me this is the main intrigue in aircraft construction for 30 years.

[AVA77]

The penguin has no analogues! Any light elf will confirm this to you
And we do not need such a pepelatsa as the F-35. Let the Americans fuck with him.

[Marachuh]

I have 2 options: 1) a single-engine analogue of the Su-57 2) a serhonic passenger based on the Tu160

[Orange bigg]

I don’t think so. Your first option has just begun to be worked out and it is unlikely that it is at such a high stage of readiness. There is even nothing to say about the second one. Most likely they will show a light / medium fighter with a high export potential.

MOSCOW, July 13. / TASS /. The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC, part of Rostec) will present a fundamentally new military aircraft on the first day of the MAKS-2021 International Aviation and Space Salon. This was reported to reporters in the press service of the state corporation "Rostec".

.Rostech also created the official website of the project, where the countdown began at midnight until the premiere of the aircraft - July 20.

Earlier it was reported that Russia has begun work on the creation of a new platform for operational-tactical aviation, on the basis of which it is planned to develop a light fighter. At the end of 2019, MiG placed on the public procurement portal an order for "aerodynamic calculation of a light multifunctional front-line twin-engine aircraft", the implementation of which is scheduled for 2020-2025.

https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/11889013

[Piramidon]

Quote: Marachuh

2) serhonic passenger on the basis of tu160

The second option is by. If you read carefully, then this

A fundamentally new plane military use

[Pico]

He smiled, - "the countdown has begun." The main thing is to say loudly that the product is "raw" is the third thing

[carstorm 11]

The F 35 started selling when it wasn't even flying. Still smiling?)

[Pico]

Of course I smile. What is the queue for the "pig in a poke"?

[carstorm 11]

Standing behind the penguin. Which is still raw. And this is not surprising.

[Pico]

For the "penguin" and now there is a queue.
It's probably not so bad, even if neutral Switzerland decided to put it into service.

[carstorm 11]

We are not talking about its advantages or disadvantages, but about the fact that the sale of a raw product is quite common)

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

The difference is that more than 35 F-600s have already been riveted and everyone understands that they will rivet further.
And the new "unparalleled" has not the slightest chance of being delivered in marketable quantities.

[carstorm 11]

Well, wait and see) as for riveted, the states do not just contain NATO and all sorts of threats for it come up with) this is not a military bloc for a long time, but a sales market for everything in a row)

[Professor]

According to a representative of Rostec, Russia is a country that has full-cycle technologies for the development and production of advanced aviation systems and has been a trendsetter in aircraft construction for a long time.

[Asad]

I agree, somewhat optimistic!

[Orange bigg]

What's funny? For a long time. Yes. At one time, they created such machines as the Mig-21, Mig-31 ahead of their time, Tu-134, Tu-144, Tu-204, the unique Tu-160. Again, the Il-76, Il-86, Il-96.Yes after the collapse of the Soviet Union, we lagged behind, but we are catching up. Example MS-21-310.

[prior]

Example MS-21-310.

A strange example, an airplane without domestic wings.

[Orange bigg]

Quote: prior

Example MS-21-310.

A strange example, an airplane without domestic wings.

Already with domestic wings. Thanks to the sanctions.

... The start of deliveries of the aircraft to the first customers was postponed to 2022. "The entry of the MC-21 aircraft to the market is delayed due to sanctions, the work on import substitution has not yet been completed," said Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov, speaking on April 14 at the Krasnoyarsk Economic Forum.

At the end of April, the head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, announced that the installation of a wing made of Russian composites on a serial MS-21 should begin in the near future.

https://aviation21.ru/na-ms-21-nachinaetsya-montazh-kryla-iz-rossijskix-kompozicionnyx-materialov/

[jayich]

The aircraft is already equipped with domestic wings and domestic engines.

[prior]

If there is not a single tested flight specimen with domestic wings, it is too early to talk about a finished aircraft. This is what I meant.

[Pontiffsulyvahn]

All aircraft are made in the broadest international cooperation. There is nothing shameful about that. The question is - why did some alternative thinkers suddenly decide that MS-21 is a trendsetter?
This is really some kind of shift in consciousness.

[Dym71]

Well, yes, a representative of Rostec will not die of modesty.
By the way, with ten years on VO Prof!
Maybe it's time to reconsider your decision not to publish on VO? I am sure many people lack gorgeous illustrations with detailed explanations from you.

[Professor]

Quote: Dym71

Well, yes, a representative of Rostec will not die of modesty.

Will not die of hunger and will not die from an overabundance of intelligence.

Quote: Dym71

By the way, with ten years on VO Prof!

Quote: Dym71

Maybe it's time to reconsider your decision not to publish on VO? I am sure many people lack gorgeous illustrations with detailed explanations from you.

"she died, she died."

[Pavel57]

Quote: 113262

Whether it was in the Soviet Union, they quickly and quietly developed, tested and put into service. The adversaries bite their elbows, and only then, Le BOURGE, and other brides!

The Su-27 is definitely not fast. And the Yak-38 did not make the adversaries bite their elbows.

[Bez 310]

Well, yes, just a riddle ...
The simplest, single-engine, cheap, useless.
They will say that the most suitable aircraft for African tribes.

[jayich]

and if the analogue of f 35 in all three forms? Simple for the ground forces, cheaper than the moment 35, vertical take-off and landing aircraft, including those with dkvd, airborne aircraft for landing ships, for example, for egypt for the mistrals

[Bez 310]

Quote: jayich

and if the analogue of f 35 in all three forms?

Yes, we will not bring the Su-57 to mind ...

[jayich]

The Su-57 has just begun its life, but has already taken part in the modern armed conflict in Syria, on the basis of which it has been modified and is beginning to enter the troops, and the most modern fighter engine in the world is already ready for it.
And the life of su 57 is at least 50 years old and has just begun.
Let's just say no one believed in zircon either, but this year it passes the state.

[Bez 310]

Quote: jayich

The Su-57 has just begun its life, but has already taken part in the modern armed conflict in Syria, on the basis of which it was finalized and begins to enter the troops

Funny ...

[jayich]

Well, at the beginning they also laughed at the same message, and there are more and more of them on the roads.

[yfast]

What is the fundamental news of the aircraft? A new principle? Will walk across the sky?

[Eug]

Fundamentally new - is he flapping his wings? Intriguing ...

[Igor Isakov]

Wangyu: Il-112 will demonstrate unmanned cargo delivery (takeoff / landing)

[sen]

Earlier it was reported that Russia has begun work on the creation of a new platform for operational-tactical aviation, on the basis of which it is planned to develop a light fighter. At the end of 2019, MiG placed on the public procurement portal an order for "aerodynamic calculation of a light multifunctional front-line twin-engine aircraft", the implementation of which is scheduled for 2020-2025.
In addition, a source in the aircraft industry told TASS this spring that Sukhoi (part of the UAC) is developing the first Russian single-engine light tactical fighter with supersonic speed and low radar signature.

[Abrosimov Sergey Olegovich]

Quote: Login_Off

I don’t think it’s possible to do something fundamentally new.
Well, maybe a round flight with gravitsapy.

Some time ago, they wrote that a pulsating jet engine for aircraft was developed in Russia. Allegedly, this miracle engine surpasses the "traditional" ones in many respects. Isn't it a "gravity"?

[sen]

At VO it was discussed that the United States is considering options to reduce the cost of producing engines for promising drones and missiles through the use of pulsating jet engines.
https://topwar.ru/184403-v-ssha-dlja-udeshevlenija-bpla-po-preodoleniju-pvo-protivnika-reshili-ispolzovat-tehnologiju-dvigatelej-fau-1.html#comment-id-11579685

[jayich]

Well, the kip was made long ago.

[sen]

Rostec has published a teaser for the new combat aircraft.
https://rg.ru/2021/07/13/principialno-novyj-istrebitel-rf-pokazali-na-video.html
In the 35-second video, you can see the outlines of the car - it is built according to the classic aerodynamic scheme - but no technical details are provided. Key features and unique properties of the essentially fighter are present in the teaser in the form of allusions, explained in Rostec.
Judging by the fact that the video and the project page are available only in English, the novelty is focused primarily on foreign customers.

[zwlad]

announced the show of a fundamentally new military aircraft

Without wings and engine chtol?

[Dilettante grandfather]

Quote: Marachuh

I have 2 options: 1) a single-engine analogue of the Su-57 2) a serhonic passenger based on the Tu160

I suggest the third option! Supersonic, passenger, single-engine, based on the Su-57! This will really be an unparalleled aircraft!

[Radikal]

Quote: professor

According to a representative of Rostec, Russia is a country that has full-cycle technologies for the development and production of advanced aviation systems and has been a trendsetter in aircraft construction for a long time.

At least one person was found who drew attention to this nonsense. Respect, professor!

[silver_roman]

Is the summer model really going to be rolled out? If we are talking about a light fighter with 1 engine, it is unlikely to be rolled out. They could not have assembled a full-fledged analogue of the f-16 so covertly and quickly. Interestingly, product 30 can be used as a power plant for such an aircraft? In principle, the f16 is powered by either Pratt & Witney or GE engines for about 8000 kgf on full throttle without afterburner. Our al41f1 produces 9500kgs. Product 30 will probably be under 11. In principle, it will be quite enough for a light fighter.

[Korzhik]

If a figure like a horse flashes everywhere in the video, then we are talking about SWVP

[Object.F7]

It is interesting to watch the birth of top-end units, but there is some kind of advertising with intrigue, the MiG-41 and a strategic stealth bomber, this approach is hardly appropriate, because product for domestic use and too fat for export. It would be interesting to see the Hunter being built in combat form with a nozzle, how much the wing will change, mechanization, aerodynamics, etc. There is no such product on the market now and will not appear soon. Only the Yankees have similar flying projects (the Chinese are still in the trailer, the Turks and Iranians are in the pictures, the rest are not heard ...)

[Tarasios]

Quote: Babay Atasovich

The plane will not only be invisible, but also fly backwards! .... at the expense of invisibility, I doubt it, but in "back to front" - it is quite possible from the Russian Federation! If "abra-kadabru" is sausage on the pistons of the yak, then what can be expected from the variable thrust vector ?! The best fighters are RUSSIAN !!!

"You, Pierre, as you get drunk, are carrying such garbage!" (from anecdote)

[Tarasios]

I don’t understand why the phrase “a fundamentally new plane” aroused and amused the members of the forum? Like, really the plane will be without wings, walk in the sky backwards, etc., etc.?
I understand - it would be said, they say, "an airplane based on fundamentally new laws of physics." Here, yes, intrigue and pathos. And so it just follows that, most likely, this new aircraft is being developed as a separate project from scratch, not being another modernization of Sushki or Migov. Let it be certain that some points will be borrowed from ready-made and worked-out schemes. What it turns out to be in fact - "we'll see."

[Zhenya Khazarsky]

I think PAK YES will roll out ...

[axxmanm]

If VTOL aircraft,
then I personally would like a TailSitter !!
At the modern level of control systems, their shortcomings have been eliminated - in the 1950s there was a false start.

Although it is clear that nothing radical will be presented

[LSI_72]

With this intrigue, they want more attention and innovation to arrive at MAKS 2021.

[spectr]

But in fact, there will be some kind of ordinary aircraft, for example, with the functions of a sea mine layer. And they will announce that now they will not bomb, but lay mines on the course. And who does not turn, he is his own evil Pinocchio.

[zlobny tatarin]

It will be a steam-powered aircraft.

[Zaurbek]

Su or MiG? What will be called?