Taliban spokesman told about what the delegation of the movement, arrived in Moscow, asked about

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The Afghan Taliban * (banned in Russia) intends to achieve the lifting of sanctions from it, about which it was negotiating with Russia. This was stated by the representative of the political office of the movement in Doha Suheil Shahin.

Shahin, whose words he quotes RIA News, said that representatives of the movement, who recently visited Moscow, held talks with the Russian side on many issues, including the lifting of the restrictions imposed by the UN Security Council from the movement.



According to him, the members of the delegation asked Russian diplomats to help remove the Taliban from the sanctions lists. According to the head of the Taliban, Shahabuddeen Delaware, the United States promised to lift sanctions against the Taliban during the signing of a peace treaty in 2020, but is still in no hurry to fulfill its promise.

According to experts, Russia may reconsider the status of the movement in the event of a change in the Taliban's behavior and refusal of terrorist activities. Moreover, Moscow should not completely abandon dialogue with the Taliban, which is one of the key players in Afghanistan.

Earlier, LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that Russia will have to recognize the Taliban after the movement seizes power in Afghanistan. According to him, this may happen in the near future after the final withdrawal of the American military contingent from the country.
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  1. +10
    July 12 2021
    Earlier, LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that Russia will have to recognize the Taliban after the movement seizes power in Afghanistan. According to him, this may happen in the near future after the final withdrawal of the American military contingent from the country.

    Vladimir Volfovich speaks the truth ...
    1. +54
      July 12 2021
      Not - he just voices the ripening opinion of the authorities .. So to speak - prepares the ground. If something is wrong, what can you take from him?
      1. +35
        July 12 2021
        It was created for this in due time.
        1. +17
          July 12 2021
          in the event of a change in the behavior of the Taliban and abandonment of terrorist activities

          And when did the Taliban carry out terrorist activities outside Afghanistan?
          The only thing that comes to mind is the CIA operation "11.09.2001/XNUMX/XNUMX", which they tried to blame on the Taliban.
          But inside Afghanistan, this is no longer a terrorist attack, but partisanship - resistance to the invaders.
          1. +4
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Shurik70
            But inside Afghanistan, this is no longer a terrorist attack, but partisanship - resistance to the invaders.

            Yah? Another explosion took place in Kabul, as a result of which at least 35 people were killed.
            A suicide bomber blew up a car next to a bus in which civil servants from the Ministry of Mining were traveling to work. This is one of the episodes, and how many explosions in bazaars and other crowded places, hundreds of ordinary citizens perished, is this partisan in your opinion?
            1. +2
              July 13 2021
              It is rather a reprisal against collaborators. It's just that a stupid fool blew up the wrong ones.
            2. +2
              July 13 2021
              Quote: igor67
              A suicide bomber blew up a car next to a bus in which civil servants from the Ministry of Mining were traveling to work.

              The legend of Soviet intelligence was preparing an attempt on the life of the Gauleiter of Ukraine - in principle, the head of economic life in the occupied territory. And along the way, he shot various invaders and their accomplices up to the judiciary. Another legend Konstantin Zaslonov planted about a hundred mines in the furnaces of steam locomotives. Surely a couple of three exploded trains from this number were carrying innocent prisoners. It seems that modern Russia has played too much in condemning terrorism for any reason. Otherwise, Russia will have to condemn the right of Russia to its independence.
              1. +4
                July 13 2021
                Kolya from Urengoy ?!
              2. -1
                July 15 2021
                Better be worried that the Arabs do not shatter your newborn "state." And there is someone to worry about, there is someone to stand up for Russia. (Ukraine or Belarus)? lol
      2. +11
        July 12 2021
        Quote: paul3390
        Not - he just voices the ripening opinion of the authorities .. So to speak - prepares the ground. If what's wrong - what will you take from him?

        Yes, in principle, Volfovich did not say anything beyond the far-sighted. And what could be wrong there? No one doubts that the Taliban will take power in the country, and disagreements can concern only one question - When?
        And if so, then you will have to negotiate and build relationships with them directly.
        However, as long as the government and army of Kabulistan are resisting, there will be no movement to legitimize the bearded, and therefore the topic of lifting the sanctions raised by them will be paused with the wording - the proposal has been taken into account and is being carefully studied. what
        1. -13
          July 12 2021
          Even if the Taliban comes to power in Afghanistan, why should we build some kind of relationship with them?
      3. +2
        July 12 2021
        But I don’t understand. If the Taliban are terrorists, how will the Russian Federation recognize them?
        Have to be excluded from the list of terrorist organizations?
        I don’t understand that the Taliban will scoop up an Afghan, and maybe not only him.
        I understand that you need to negotiate, but HOW?
        And then yes, he was always like that ...
        1. -11
          July 12 2021
          What do you want to negotiate with the terrorists? In Chechnya, at one time they tried, remember how it ended?
          1. +8
            July 13 2021
            Quote: 1976AG
            What do you want to negotiate with the terrorists? In Chechnya, at one time they tried, remember how it ended?

            In my humble understanding, the terrorists (revolutionaries) who took power into their own hands in the country and kept it cease to be so smile
            and they establish certain relations with them - economic, military, political.
            This is the case everywhere and always. Wherever you stick.
            Who were the American settlers in relation to the British crown when they wanted to secede?
            Who was Napoleon until a certain time ...?
            Lenin? Stalin?
            And what about Fidel and Che Guevara?

            Does the photo resemble anything from a much more modern, for example, Caucasian?
            Eekhma winked
            1. +5
              July 13 2021
              But in my humble understanding, terrorists are those who commit acts of terrorism and for this reason terrorists and revolutionaries are not the same thing. Of course, there is no struggle for power without blood, but I would never turn my tongue to call revolutionaries on whose conscience the school in Beslan and dozens of residential buildings where simple, innocent people lived. But for you, apparently, this does not matter in principle. But only this until it touches you personally.
              1. +1
                July 13 2021
                Quote: 1976AG
                But in my humble understanding, terrorists are those who commit acts of terrorism and for this reason terrorists and revolutionaries are not the same thing. Of course, there is no struggle for power without blood, but I would never turn my tongue to call revolutionaries on whose conscience the school in Beslan and dozens of residential buildings where simple, innocent people lived. But for you, apparently, this does not matter in principle. But only this until it touches you personally.

                I am not making excuses for those who take innocent people hostage.
                But absolutely all revolutionaries sinned with this.
                I repeat - EVERYTHING, no exceptions.
                Good or bad they were later recorded in history - another question.
                Commissars in dusty helmets, for example, are considered good by many people. And what were they doing in the vastness of the former Russian Empire ... as well as the forces opposing them?

                Moreover, by taking hostages, many of those who are “in the law,” that is, those who have established state power, have sinned and are still sinning.

                So it goes.
                Take off your rose-colored glasses smile
                1. +3
                  July 13 2021
                  Well, who took hostages from the government? And who was Lenin taking hostage there? And in which school did Castro shoot the students? It is people like you who equate Hitlerite Germany and the Soviet Union. Did you manage to justify the fascists, or have you not yet?
                  1. +3
                    July 13 2021
                    Quote: 1976AG
                    Well, who took hostages from the government? And who was Lenin taking hostage there? And in which school did Castro shoot the students? It is people like you who equate Hitlerite Germany and the Soviet Union. Did you manage to justify the fascists, or have you not yet?

                    Lenin took hostage members of the families of military experts in flight and in batches smile and not only ... He was not a "field commander" of course, he gave instructions, spoke, wrote articles ...
                    Well, at least google, in fairness, if you have not read the statements of the leader of the proletariat relating to those hot times of 1918-1919.
                    Trotsky, Stalin, Sverdlov, Dzerzhinsky and a bunch of other functionaries, already executors, fought for a just cause by any methods that give a positive result for this cause.
                    And there is no need to be offended for the Bolsheviks.
                    The British took hostages during their "work" in India and not only in India.
                    Honestly, it's pointless to list.
                    Those in power and those in power always use essentially the same methods in their desire to win or defend their right to be at the top of the trough smile
                    Eggs may seem different, but they are still the same eggs only from different angles. smile
                    And as soon as these “glorious” representatives of the human race “bothers”, they use essentially the same techniques.

                    And you don’t need to tell me what I don’t do. I DO NOT equate Hitler and Stalin or Churchill or Roosevelt (as I interned the Japanese, for example, my own citizens are in the majority ...), but I just try to look at events objectively
                    1. 0
                      July 13 2021
                      You never heard me. I spoke about terrorism against the civilian population in no way related to the authorities. I will repeat once again - schools, hospitals, houses of civilians. Have Chechen Terrorists Captured Family Members of the Government or Family Members of Military Leaders? Not. You do not notice this difference at close range or do not want to notice.
                      "but I just try to look at events objectively"
                      but you don't notice such obvious things ..
                      1. -1
                        July 13 2021
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        You never heard me. I spoke about terrorism against the civilian population in no way related to the authorities. I will repeat once again - schools, hospitals, houses of civilians. Have Chechen Terrorists Captured Family Members of the Government or Family Members of Military Leaders? Not. You do not notice this difference at close range or do not want to notice.
                        "but I just try to look at events objectively"
                        but you don't notice such obvious things ..

                        Well, what kind of military leaders, members of the government ??
                        "Voenspezov" were enrolled in the Red Army about 35-40 thousand people.
                        And almost everyone had a family, multiply by 3 at least.
                        Not everyone was probably taken hostage, I think. But in any case, there are tens of thousands of people.
                        And the representatives of the bourgeoisie? smile Their families and themselves were also taken hostage, and the Yesicho were shot easily and unconstrainedly.
                        Probably, you can not even mention the peasants at all. Who counted them? Yes?

                        Despite the fact that the various Guchkovs / Milyukovs ("members of the government" in your opinion) successfully and in a timely manner sent them to the West with their families.
                        The "military leaders" did not offend themselves and their families either, you see, with rare exceptions like Kolchak.

                        Honestly, I am sincerely surprised by the naivety of people brought up on the films "The Man with the Gun", "Lenin in October" and other "comics" and popular prints. The films are good, but they are purely propaganda, you have to understand that.
                        Eekhma.
                      2. 0
                        July 13 2021
                        Look at what the Chechen fighters were doing, maybe at least then you will understand something ... Although I'm not sure anymore ..
                      3. -1
                        July 13 2021
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Look at what the Chechen fighters were doing, maybe at least then you will understand something ... Although I'm not sure anymore ..

                        I watched a lot. Where are these militants now? They were destroyed, the most odious and not so. But the bulk of the soldiers, so to speak, were amnestied. And, I suppose, there are a lot of those who were not so stupid and did not shoot their "art" on a phone or video camera.
                        In 1999 I happened to visit Nalchik. There, the Chechen militants received medical treatment, rested and walked openly through the streets. Nobody touched them for some reason. August 1999.
                        And then we were in the mountains. Not so far from the places where the second Chechen turmoil began. We sat and listened to the radio ... the news ... we saw how the checkpoints on the administrative borders of Karachay and Kabarda, for example, were being strengthened.
                        There is something to remember smile
                        And everyone, including me, wanted the Russian troops to finally defeat and destroy this bandit brotherhood.
                        That's the way it is.

                        Although this does not negate what I wrote earlier.
                      4. 0
                        July 13 2021
                        Well, if you know and .. "does not cancel what I wrote before.", Then no comments at all
                      5. 0
                        July 13 2021
                        Quote: 1976AG
                        Well, if you know and .. "does not cancel what I wrote before.", Then no comments at all

                        Yes, I’m something. A simple man in the street.
                        And you read the Khasavyurt agreements with the Chechens, August 1996.
                        Who else, if not the Russian government and its law enforcement agencies, knew what was happening in Chechnya and the surrounding area, how people were being stolen, Russian slaves were mocked, and so on and so forth.
                        I regard this "act" as a betrayal by the Russian authorities.
                        EBN, Lebed, Berezovsky and others ... I hope they are spinning in hell in a frying pan.
                2. -1
                  July 13 2021
                  Remind me, maybe, but I forgot: When did the Bolsheviks take hostages? The White Guards took it, it is known. Krasnov is worth something. But he had not heard of the Bolsheviks.
                  1. +6
                    July 13 2021
                    Quote: nemez
                    Remind me, maybe, but I forgot: When did the Bolsheviks take hostages? The White Guards took it, it is known. Krasnov is worth something. But he had not heard of the Bolsheviks.

                    8 / VI, 1919
                    Comrade Sklyansky! ...
                    It is necessary to intensify the taking of hostages from the bourgeoisie and from the families of officers - in view of the increase in betrayal. Come to an agreement with Dzerzhinsky.
                    Give Melnichansky a telegram (signed by me) that it would be a shame to hesitate and not shoot for failure to appear.
                    © From "Telegram to the Revolutionary Military Council of the Eastern Front". IN AND. Lenin. PSS, vol. 50, p. 343.
                  2. 0
                    July 13 2021
                    Quote: nemez
                    When did the Bolsheviks take hostages?

                    The surname Tukhachevsky doesn't tell you anything? Antonov's uprising in the Tambov region and the actions of the Red Army, Cheka, ChON during the suppression of this uprising, when whole villages were taking hostages so that the rebels would come out of the forests? I do not justify either their actions, much less the Basayevs-Baraevs, but as IA Krylov said, “what one counts as a gossip, it’s not better for oneself, godfather, to turn around”. Therefore, before exclaiming angrily, can you better recall how the history of your country follows? Unless, of course, the country is yours, and not THIS ....
              2. 0
                July 13 2021
                Quote: 1976AG
                But in my humble understanding, terrorists are those who commit terrorist attacks and for this reason terrorists and revolutionaries are not the same

                During the First Russian Revolution, about 11 people died at the hands of revolutionaries. Of these, about 000 civilians died - NOT civil servants, NOT policemen, NOT military.
            2. 0
              July 15 2021
              Yasser Arafat - the head of Palestine was previously the head of terrorists (resonant and bloody actions at one time) and then all the presidents of democracies kissed passionately with him. The usual thing.
          2. 0
            July 13 2021
            In Chechnya, at one time they tried, remember how it ended?

            Remember. We killed them. those who escaped are caught. Recently another one was caught.
            1. 0
              July 13 2021
              Quote: Pereira
              In Chechnya, at one time they tried, remember how it ended?

              Remember. We killed them. those who escaped are caught. Recently another one was caught.

              Yes, but before that, having trampled Chechnya under themselves, they did not calm down and moved to Dagestan. How many wolf you feed, but he still looks into the forest.
              1. 0
                July 13 2021
                Quote: 1976AG
                Yes, but before that, having trampled Chechnya under themselves, they did not calm down and moved to Dagestan. How many wolf you feed, but he still looks into the forest.

                It's just that you can't agree with everyone. The Yamadayevs 'grouping, for example, turned out to be quite negotiable, having gone over to the side of the federals in 2000. And the Kadyrovs' clan too.
          3. 0
            July 13 2021
            Quote: 1976AG
            What do you want to negotiate with the terrorists? In Chechnya, at one time they tried, remember how it ended?

            © Sulim Yamadayev with a representative of the Chechen community in Jordan. Chechnya. December 11, 1996
            © Commander of the Vostok battalion Sulim Yamadaev
        2. +2
          July 13 2021
          As I understand it, terrorists are those who do not have combat aircraft ...
          1. 0
            July 13 2021
            Quote: meandr51
            As I understand it, terrorists are those who do not have combat aircraft ...

            Lived ...
        3. -1
          July 13 2021
          Quote: bk316
          But I don’t understand. If the Taliban are terrorists, how will the Russian Federation recognize them?

          So they came from a US ally country, where they have a representative office for continuous and close contacts with US diplomats. If the United States spent $ 700 billion without visible success in the fight against the Taliban, then any state in the world will reckon with such force. In addition, representatives of the PRC, the only country on which modern Russia can rely, have already negotiated with the Taliban. Therefore, our diplomats will have to conduct business with an eye to their close partner, if we do not want the United States to redirect the money that is now going to the war with the Taliban to the war with Russia in the Donbass and Crimea.
        4. 0
          July 13 2021
          Quote: bk316
          I understand that you need to negotiate, but HOW?

          Well, after all, we agreed at one time with those who killed the resident minister for the Middle East, the UN mediator and blew up the "King David" hotel. Two of the leadership of the terrorist organizations that arranged this later became the prime ministers of one Middle Eastern country shaking hands. wink
    2. -33
      July 12 2021
      Quote: llsamsonll
      Earlier, LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that Russia will have to recognize the Taliban after the movement seizes power in Afghanistan.

      Did the racial government not already recognize the Taliban? when did they first come to power? belay I don't remember now about the official recognition of the Taliban by the Kremlin; but in fact, the Russian ruling regime worked closely with the Taliban, which came to power in Afghanistan in 1996!
      1. +14
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        but in fact, the Russian ruling regime worked closely with the Taliban, which came to power in Afghanistan in 1996!

        It seems that the phrase should have ended with the fact that you mentioned. A statement starting with the words "I don't remember now ...." does not seem credible to me.
      2. +4
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Nikolaevich I
        Did the racial government not already recognize the Taliban?


        No, support was for Masud, against the Taliban.
        1. +2
          July 12 2021
          That's right, he served there in those years, it was the Northern Alliance that was supported from our side.
          1. -9
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Pessimist22
            it was the Northern Alliance that was supported from our side.

            It seems that Moscow "got into trouble" then ... although ... when the United States "got to the bottom" of the Taliban, Moscow turned out to be "nothing to do with" (!), Which was not bad then ...
        2. -5
          July 12 2021
          Quote: chenia
          support was for Massoud, against the Taliban

          It was in this that the short-sightedness of the then ruling regime in Russia was manifested! Massoud could have clearly not been abandoned (or implicitly continued to support ...), but also with the Taliban "to have a relationship"! To paraphrase ... a nimble calf sucks two queens! And if in the 90s Moscow "got bogged down", now there is a hope that in Russia they will not be "blunt" anymore!
          1. +4
            July 13 2021
            Quote: Nikolaevich I

            It was in this that the short-sightedness of the then ruling regime in Russia was manifested.


            Now the situation is very favorable for us. The Americans took all the negative (including even our actions in the eighties) upon themselves. And with the Taliban it is necessary to "make friends" remotely, so that they would not get into Central Asia, and the drug traffic would be covered. And China will pull up (through Pakistan), so that they do not mess with their Muslims (Uighurs). And let them live so-so for at least a thousand years, if you like. Only, I suppose, their civil society will not settle down for a long time.

            And if that cons are not mine.
          2. -1
            July 13 2021
            Quote: Nikolaevich I
            It was in this that the short-sightedness of the then ruling regime in Russia was manifested! Massoud could have clearly not been abandoned (or implicitly continued to support ...), but also with the Taliban "to have a relationship"!

            The Taliban fed Bin Laden, who inevitably entered into an alliance with any Muslim separatists in Russia. Masud was the most convenient partner for Russia. He even managed to cancel the FSB's ill-considered force actions, for example, the murder of Hekmatyar.
      3. 0
        July 13 2021
        It was necessary to continue cooperation. Arrows and Needles would be useful for the Taliban.
    3. +5
      July 12 2021
      Well, as they say, a bad world is better than a good war .. The Taliban came to negotiate and this is good both for Russia and for Afgan .. Maybe they will put things in order there and finally unite the disparate warring tribes .. Afgan is tired of war.
      1. +5
        July 12 2021
        Quote: xorek
        Well, as they say, a bad world is better than a good war .. The Taliban came to negotiate and this is good for both Russia and Afgan.

        Principle - "The enemy, my enemy .." ... No one has canceled!
        1. -1
          July 12 2021
          Quote: 30 vis
          Quote: xorek
          Well, as they say, a bad world is better than a good war .. The Taliban came to negotiate and this is good for both Russia and Afgan.

          Principle - "The enemy, my enemy .." ... No one has canceled!

          Yes Yes exactly ! Think correctly .. Afghans are angry with the United States on both sides .. So throw a despicable, devastated country, which they have drenched in blood and plundered ..
      2. 0
        July 12 2021
        It is hard to eat the uneaten
        1. 0
          July 12 2021
          Do not harbor resentment, please, but "eat" terribly hurts the eye. Please respect the Russian language. Respectfully your opinion.
      3. +3
        July 12 2021
        We are very well remembered there! And the Yankees disdain. That's why they came to us. Authority, you know.
        1. -5
          July 12 2021
          Quote: SkyScream
          We are very well remembered there! And the Yankees disdain. That's why they came to us. Authority, you know.

          I think so too .. And we arrived right away, when nothing is clear yet, they just remember that the shuravi will not be thrown so disgustingly and that Russia-USSR can be dealt with.
          I hope they will put things in order in the country more or less .. Enough of the massacre and showdown! The Anglo-Saxons did not expect this and tear and toss .. I will smell the bastards all the time .. angry
          1. +2
            July 12 2021
            Here, there is still a special attitude of Russia to the traditions of Islam. And this is fundamentally different from that in Gays and Stripes. Yes, you can at least remember the caricatures of the Prophet in the French boulevard. In Russia, this is not allowed and this is a fat plus, no matter what trend the Muslims adhere to, they will appreciate it.
        2. +1
          July 12 2021
          America is far away, and Russia is nearby, that's probably why. And then: "The enemy of my enemy is my friend," the old truth.
      4. -2
        July 12 2021
        While the Taliban will establish their own order in Afghanistan, we may have nothing to worry about, but when they subjugate everyone there, then it may not seem like a little.
    4. +6
      July 12 2021
      Well. Having your own barmaley isn't so bad.
      East is a delicate matter.
      1. -4
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Raven-95
        Well. Having your own barmaley isn't so bad.
        East is a delicate matter.

        All right thinking and these barmaley are very angry at the United States and others!
      2. +1
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Raven-95
        Well. Having your own barmaley isn't so bad.
        East is a delicate matter.

        Torture them to unfasten the loot so that they become their own.
      3. 0
        July 13 2021
        Quote: Raven-95
        Having your own barmaley isn't so bad
        but in the long run, no one succeeded have them YOUR OWN ..? !!
        As examples, the fate of the grown-up CIA Saddam (!), Or the capture of Soviet diplomats, "in spite of" the patronage of Arafat, at one time ... until Pennant was connected ... wink hi
    5. -7
      July 12 2021
      Zhirik is an ordinary stupid chatterbox
      1. +23
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Clever man
        Zhirik is an ordinary stupid chatterbox

        “Zhirik” has 5 languages ​​in its arsenal and a well-established game. If you don't have that, then you are an even more stupid chatterbox, despite the ambitious nickname. Sorry for the harshness, but I think it's worth respecting even your opponent.
        1. +9
          July 12 2021
          I remember very well how the VVZh claimed that in Iraq the Americans would be cut into shreds. The prophet turned out to be so-so. A reasonable and educated person in him gets along with a political Brontosaurus-populist, who is interested in keeping the existing niche, so he says what fits well in his electoral substrate.
          1. -1
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            The prophet from him turned out to be so so

            Prophets are rare at all. Today, few people can predict how the current year will end. But this does not mean that everyone around is stupid. Yes, he has populism beyond measure, but he has his share of about 10% in all elections, and sometimes even surpasses the KPRF. Agree, this is the result of the hoo. I am not a fan of the Liberal Democratic Party, but I think that with the departure of the VVZh, his party will sharply decline. Therefore, he cannot be called stupid, at least because of the results of his political activities.
            1. -5
              July 12 2021
              Quote: Hagen
              that with the departure of the VVZh, his party will drop sharply.

              He's just a favorite of women and pensioners. Why not promise something if you can't do it anyway? And then you can say, but I don't have a majority in the Duma, I'm not in business. Remember his thought about polygamy? offered?
              1. +2
                July 12 2021
                He is just a favorite of women and retirees.
                He and "his" party - the current column "Against all", if only Edru did not get the vote taken into account.
            2. 0
              July 12 2021
              Yes, illiterate lumpen vote for him
        2. 0
          July 13 2021
          Furgaloo tell it
          1. 0
            July 13 2021
            Quote: Clever man
            Furgaloo tell it

            He will be told everything in court. If there are grounds, they will be imprisoned, if there will be no, they will be released. What should I tell him? I am not a participant in his business ...
        3. 0
          July 13 2021
          Quote: Hagen
          "Zhirik" has 5 languages ​​in its arsenal and a well-established game

          So what? If he has 10 languages ​​and two parties, but if he says one thing and does (votes) another, he is an ordinary balabol and idiot. And for all his existence in the role of a politician, he proved it more than once.
          1. +1
            July 13 2021
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            but if he says one thing and does (votes) another, he is an ordinary balabol and idiot.

            Give an example of at least one party that would do what it says ?! The Bolsheviks came to power on the slogan "all power to the Soviets," but in reality everything was led by the Politburo. What about the generation that will live under communism? laughing All politics is the art of manipulation and lies. It has always been this way, and it is so almost everywhere. Through the manipulation of individuals, capable politicians create social groups and associations, and with this association they achieve goals that are sometimes not known to these groups. Such is a person, he cannot live in any other way, in absolute truth. If you think that the world is somehow different, you should probably give up adult books and get carried away with the "murzilka".
            1. 0
              July 13 2021
              Quote: Hagen
              What about the generation that will live under communism?

              Nevertheless, the improvements were evident. Zhirik, on the other hand, votes in the Duma opposite to his statements. And it deserves contempt, regardless of the number of languages ​​spoken.
              1. +2
                July 13 2021
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Nevertheless, the improvements were evident.

                Sir, you are terribly far from history. And therefore it is not possible to understand that there was "there". Due to the fault of Mr. Khrushchev, who promised the current generation communism, a split of the communist movement occurred in the countries of our occupied (OVD), large parted with China. And all against the background of the "personality cult", which is incomprehensible for the purpose of debunking. "91" began with Khrushchev. Compared to what the communists did in 1953-60, all of Zhirinovsky's tricks are childish prank in the sandbox. But your keen desire to humiliate an intelligent person with contempt (not my assessment, but people who are well-deserved, authoritative in science and politics) only emphasizes your not very high level. Usually, in this way, people who have not received recognition of their own dignity from others want to assert themselves. It's like swearing in the theater. Not much cool. No.
                1. -1
                  July 13 2021
                  Quote: Hagen
                  Sir, you are terribly far from history. And therefore, I cannot understand what was "there"

                  You are terribly far from common sense and logic. For if we compare the achievements in science, education, medicine and social policy (in the dynamics of growth)
                  Putin's 20 years with any twenty-year period in the USSR, naturally excluding the years of the Second World War, then all your attempts to present Putin as a great helmsman are ridiculous. And if we take into account the fact that scientific and technical has rushed far ahead, then all the achievements are fiction and linden.
                  And there is no need to mow down on Khrushchev - Putin said that these are the Polovtsy with the Pechenegs! wink If you already started for history. wassat
          2. 0
            July 13 2021
            And in all 5 languages, he merged Furgala, it became clear that the LDPR party with Zhirik was not worth even 3 kopecks)))
        4. 0
          July 13 2021
          Quote: Hagen
          Quote: Clever man
          Zhirik is an ordinary stupid chatterbox

          “Zhirik” has 5 languages ​​in its arsenal and a well-established game. If you don't have that, then you are an even more stupid chatterbox, despite the ambitious nickname. Sorry for the harshness, but I think it's worth respecting even your opponent.

          Taking into account the fact that he managed to work in the Inyurkollegii of the USSR, and they did not take the boobies there, even due to strong pull ...
          And his party is the oldest for today. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation was later created ...
          Try to be in politics for 30 years ... he and Shoigu so many years in power
          1. 0
            July 13 2021
            The oldest batch so what? For me, the Communist Party is that the Liberal Democratic Party is chafing from one trough.
            1. 0
              July 13 2021
              Quote: Clever man
              The oldest batch so what? For me, the Communist Party is that the Liberal Democratic Party is chafing from one trough.

              For understanding - by TIME leadership of the party, he is already coming close to lifetime KPSS ..
              Try to surpass and gather people well, at least 10-20 thousand ... I don't even ask about 100
              1. 0
                July 13 2021
                This is the problem of our people that it is being fooled by balabols and dummies. I can assure you which thread the Morgenstern will bring to the people more than a zhirik, which is the conclusion?
                1. 0
                  July 13 2021
                  Kaneshna on dummies and balabols ... Kaneshna ...
                  Before that, 16 million were conducted by the Communist Party of the Soviet Union - promising all sorts of things and by all means by 2000 ... But instead, they profiled the whole country ...
      2. +4
        July 12 2021
        Look at the weather vane! Sometimes it helps to understand the weather))
    6. +12
      July 12 2021
      LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky is the mouthpiece of the Russian presidential administration. for stuffing any information, it will be better and more reliable than any media))
      1. 0
        July 13 2021
        Quote: Atlant-1164
        LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky is the mouthpiece of the Russian presidential administration. for stuffing any information

        Not everyone. And only one that can be ambiguously perceived.
        Zhirik voices the inconvenient decisions planned by the authorities on the subject of how they will be perceived inside and outside the country. Figuratively speaking - "pokes with a stick." And then the authorities look after the reaction.
    7. 0
      July 12 2021
      So you must understand the leader of the Liberal Democratic Party is urging the Taliban to ...!
    8. SSR
      0
      July 13 2021
      Quote: llsamsonll
      Earlier, LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that Russia will have to recognize the Taliban after the movement seizes power in Afghanistan. According to him, this may happen in the near future after the final withdrawal of the American military contingent from the country.

      Vladimir Volfovich speaks the truth ...

      This is an already resolved issue. It is impossible to move with an age of over 50 years, constantly be considered terrorist, Imkha it was not climbed into the village.
  2. -1
    July 12 2021
    Zhirik will once again prove to be a seer ...
  3. 0
    July 12 2021
    In the photo there are quite fine-looking grandfathers who are waiting for their grandchildren in their homeland in Afghanistan ... wink
    1. -4
      July 12 2021
      Well, of course, good grandfathers, I think our wars will agree with you.
    2. +6
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Xlor
      In the photo there are quite fine-looking grandfathers who are waiting for their grandchildren in their homeland in Afghanistan ... wink

      I do not exclude that these "good grandfathers" killed our soldiers 35 years ago.
      1. -1
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Nurdom

        I do not exclude that these "good grandfathers" killed our soldiers 35 years ago.

        But not on our own land, but on our own. Therefore, to blame them for this is at least unfair.
        1. +2
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: Nurdom

          I do not exclude that these "good grandfathers" killed our soldiers 35 years ago.

          But not on our own land, but on our own. Therefore, to blame them for this is at least unfair.

          Kolya from андаU̶r̶e̶n̶g̶o̶ya̶ Kandahar ... They built, taught, treated, and they killed our soldiers. It's unfair, damn it ... Can you kneel in front of them?
          1. +9
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Hyperion

            Kolya from андаU̶r̶e̶n̶g̶o̶ya̶ Kandahar ... They built, taught, treated, and they killed our soldiers. It's unfair, damn it ... Can you kneel in front of them?

            And they built and treated. But in war, as in war. And the villages were leveled with the ground, and they often did not take prisoners, and ... a lot of things, for which the Afghans could not be grateful in any way. War.
          2. +3
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Hyperion

            Kolya from андаU̶r̶e̶n̶g̶o̶ya̶ Kandahar ... They built, taught, treated, and they killed our soldiers. It's unfair, damn it ... Can you kneel in front of them?

            Who are you? Turn on your brains. There was a civil war in Afghanistan. We supported one side, the US and Pakistan on the other. Nobody can figure out who is right and who is to blame. Yes, we both built, and taught and treated, but we also killed. And I do not blame ours, and not only those who performed their military duty, but also those who sent them there. But if someone comes to my land with weapons, I will also kill them. Despite the fact that they built a hospital.
            1. +1
              July 12 2021
              We tried to instill civilization in them, but the barbarians did not appreciate it. For them, we are a priori wrong and contracts with them are valid only as long as they feel the power. Therefore, I see no reason to negotiate with them. One figs will have to threaten them with a fist.
        2. +2
          July 12 2021
          Yes, many of us and yours and many others have been there over the centuries - and the result is always the same and they do not leave much from home, but they just live there as they want!
      2. 0
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Nurdom
        I do not exclude that these "good grandfathers" killed our soldiers 35 years ago.

        The paradox is that the field commanders who fought with us were then eaten by the Taliban. And now they probably bite their elbows who survived
      3. -6
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Nurdom
        Quote: Xlor
        In the photo there are quite fine-looking grandfathers who are waiting for their grandchildren in their homeland in Afghanistan ... wink

        I do not exclude that these "good grandfathers" killed our soldiers 35 years ago.

        Well, we also crumbled them a lot and more than our losses dozens of times or even more, and not only by aviation (there were direct collisions, face to face and it came to hand-to-hand combat) .. It is not for nothing that they respectfully remember the shuravi soldier
        1. -6
          July 12 2021
          And they could well have captured Avganistan, if there were normal light infantry. And as then it was not, and now it is not.
          Sincerely
          1. -7
            July 12 2021
            Quote: nobody75
            And they could well have captured Avganistan, if there were normal light infantry. And as then it was not, and now it is not.
            Sincerely

            Well, if, if only .. The chance was great, to calm the Afghan and not only by force of arms soldier serious work was carried out there in this direction and our experience was Turkestan, the Caucasus, etc. The Anglo-Saxons staged bloody provocations here and there, allegedly the invaders, etc.
            And the bastards themselves ran away, abandoning everything .. That's how we live!
            Again, everything has to be started from the beginning and the Taliban came to Russia to negotiate and I think there will be a lot of good in this. soldier
            1. -1
              July 12 2021
              Well if, if only

              This is just my interpretation of the data collected during the adventures of the 40th Army while walking in circles ...
              As the song says - "Leafing through an old notebook of a shot general," who, by the way, defended himself in this war ... My conclusions are greatly healed from those that he outlined in his work. I remember scolding mi - 24 for engines, t-72 for a diesel engine, t-55 for a cannon, and bmp 2 for an elevation angle ... And I think that no one was involved in tactics and armament of light infantry.
              Sincerely
              1. -2
                July 12 2021
                Quote: nobody75
                And I think that no one was involved in the tactics and armament of light infantry.
                Sincerely

                Yes, they were engaged in Afghanistan, it all started .. Small groups of well-armed people were thrown onto the paths and wetted .. In Chechnya, by the way, they also began to act this way and effectively, when in 2000 they began to collect former Afghans (who survived) from all over the country and train young people using this method of warfare (especially in mountainous areas) ..
                I'm not a strategist, of course, just a little interested .. hi
                1. -1
                  July 12 2021
                  And what about the weapons and the size of the small pods? Interaction with aviation, artillery, electronic warfare and cyber troops? Who will do this?
                  Sincerely
                  1. -3
                    July 12 2021
                    Quote: nobody75
                    And what about the weapons and the size of the small pods? Interaction with aviation, artillery, electronic warfare and cyber troops? Who will do this?
                    Sincerely

                    This is not with me Ilya .. hi
                    1. -2
                      July 12 2021
                      That's how everyone sends me ... in three letters ...
                      Sincerely
                      1. -3
                        July 12 2021
                        Quote: nobody75
                        That's how everyone sends me ... in three letters ...
                        Sincerely

                        So I deserve it .. laughing What else can I say hi
          2. +1
            July 12 2021
            Ilya in the entire history of Afghanistan, no one was able to capture him
            1. -3
              July 12 2021
              Quote: Ryaruav
              Ilya in the entire history of Afghanistan, no one was able to capture him

              Capture, yes ... But the USSR had a great chance to tame and teach everything ...
              We not only soaked there, but taught the young generation in the Union .. And it would all bear fruit!
              By the way, the Taliban turned to us and this is the fruit since the times of the USSR .. They remember EVERYTHING!
            2. 0
              July 12 2021
              Don't count Genghis Khan?
              Sincerely
          3. +1
            July 13 2021
            Quote: nobody75
            And they could well have captured Avganistan, if there were normal light infantry.

            Against the Afghan guerrillas and the Israeli special forces near Chamkani could not prove themselves as normal light infantry.
            1. 0
              July 13 2021
              Spetsnaz are not light infantry.
              Sincerely
      4. -3
        July 12 2021
        Anastasia, why did you come there, explain to you what was missing raisins?
        1. -1
          July 12 2021
          Who is Anastacia ???
          Sincerely
    3. +1
      July 12 2021
      Yes, yes, the same mountain rats as their grandfathers were 40 years ago!
    4. -1
      July 12 2021
      why are they worse than the Saudi freaks
    5. 0
      July 13 2021
      Quote: Xlor
      In the photo there are quite fine-looking grandfathers who are waiting for their grandchildren in their homeland in Afghanistan ... wink

      So the Austrian artist and vegetarian in the photo looked like a decent person.
  4. +2
    July 12 2021
    The United States promised to lift sanctions against the Taliban during the signing of a peace treaty in 2020, but is still in no rush to deliver on its promise.


    They want to let us go ahead, and then if there is anything else to blame ...
    1. +2
      July 12 2021
      If all members of the Security Council are in favor of lifting the sanctions, and the States veto, then no one will agree with them on anything. By the way, in the world the understanding that the United States is incapable of negotiating has already developed and is strengthening.
      All thanks to Trump. bully
      The fact that the States are pulling, with the fulfillment of the promised and signed, indirectly help us.
      And for our support of such a decision, a lot can be requested from the Taliban.
      1. +3
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Alex777

        And for our support of such a decision, a lot can be requested from the Taliban.


        Undoubtedly, and this should be used ...
  5. +6
    July 12 2021
    Don't go to the grandmother, the main conditions of the Russian side sound something like this: Take control of drug traffic with its subsequent zeroing and stop all contacts with the generally recognized terrorist organizations ISIS and Al Qaeda, observance of borders and border regime with neighboring states ... and in principle, for the Taliban it is doable.
    As for the ISIS fighters transferred by the states to Afghanistan, they are just fighters, not ideological leaders. Where they pay, there they fight.
    1. +5
      July 12 2021
      It would be very nice to close the drug production in Afghanistan for a clean ...
      Pin-do-si with an Englishwoman will break off ...
      1. +4
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Sonmaster
        It would be very nice to close the drug production in Afghanistan for a clean ...
        Pin-do-si with an Englishwoman will break off ...

        It is not realistic to close, we have accumulated too much. But changing traffic routes is real.
        1. +4
          July 12 2021
          I agree.
          To completely stop drug trafficking, it is necessary to force people to do something else, and not to grow poppy, and this is difficult and expensive, you need large investments in the infrastructure of new industries, but the most important thing is the desire of the people themselves.
          1. +3
            July 12 2021
            Nevertheless, such production in Afghanistan exists in one of the provinces. They supply aromatic oils to famous perfume brands in Europe ... the point is that such oils can only be obtained in Afghanistan, and this is due to climatic and geographical conditions ... and yes ... this is basically not poppy. So it was in the 90s, I don't know how things are now. But during the Taliban's war with the Northern Alliance, this production was not touched by any of the warring parties. ))
            1. 0
              July 12 2021
              It's good to have a living example of alternative earnings before your eyes ... there is hope.
          2. -3
            July 12 2021
            Yeah. Stop drug traffic. Choi, suddenly, "nobody's" cocaine suitcases and other stories with "coke" come to mind, for example, how one person in Israel complains that another person in Russia stole $ 300 million of coke from him at one time ... Yes
            1. 0
              July 12 2021
              As one of my acquaintances, the deceased, said, I knew too much!
        2. +7
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Canecat
          It is not realistic to close, we have accumulated too much.

          Really. The Taliban HAVE DONE this once already - and this is ONLY what caused the invasion of Afghan civilization. When Buddhas were blown up and heads were chopped off in stadiums, they were normal. And when opium production in Afghanistan fell to almost zero ...

          When they began to smash democracy there, remember?
          1. +3
            July 12 2021
            Yes, I also think that ping-do-sy in Afghan got only because of drugs.
            1. +2
              July 12 2021
              Yes, I also think that ping-do-sy in Afghan got only because of drugs.

              Well, maybe not only, not everything is so simple, but that there were lobbyists because of this, that's for sure.
              This is not your opinion with mine, here, as they say, the score on the scoreboard.
            2. -2
              July 12 2021
              they climbed into Afghan only because of drugs.
              Natural opiates are a thing of the past. Now drugs value synthetic substances - and in the garage a brain-headed chemist can cook them in kilograms for a cheap price from Chinese precursors.
          2. +3
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Cowbra
            Quote: Canecat
            It is not realistic to close, we have accumulated too much.

            Really. The Taliban HAVE DONE this once already - and ONLY this was the reason for the invasion of the Afghan government ...
            When they began to smash democracy there, remember?


            Most likely related, the Taliban have harshly banned drug production and the US invasion.
            But there is a nuance, the United States put pressure on the Taliban to ban drug production, as a result the Taliban lost finance and support for the Pashtuns, because the bulk of the population that supported the Taliban was grown in the south where the Pashtuns live, and the measures were harsh, to put it mildly, not popular.
            Most likely, the United States had planned an invasion of Afghanistan in advance, so the Taliban had to be weakened. The US drug production does not care, which is actually evident from its growth during the occupation.

            Now the Taliban will not seriously fight drug production if they do not have a real alternative to earning money for the peasants.

            If neighboring states want to overcome this evil in Afghanistan, then it is necessary to jointly make an offer (which cannot be refused) for the comprehensive development of Afghanistan.
            Those. surround with such friendship and care no matter to the left or to the right, but only in a bright future)
            1. +1
              July 12 2021
              Quote: Pandiurin
              The US drug production does not care, which is actually evident from its growth during the occupation.

              Don't give a damn, but they just supported him. There was an initiative from the Russian Federation with spraying poppy fields in Afghanistan, and Russia took the physical part on itself - the United States was banned !!! And to put pressure on the United States before the invasion of the Taliban was trite NOTHING.
              Moscow and Washington see a solution to the Afghan drug trafficking problem differently. The US and NATO countries are opposed to the destruction of all opium plantations in Afghanistan, claiming that it will ruin local farmers.

              Original news from InoTV:
              https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2011-11-22/Rossiya-prizivaet-Zapad-otkazatsya-ot
          3. +2
            July 12 2021
            ONLY this was the reason for the invasion of the Afghan government

            Recently I heard exactly the opposite opinion. The Taliban did it (namely, that only one time, only one year, production was closed) at the expense of the United States (they supplied food for this, which was severely lacking) and just at the time when the United States was preparing to invade. So to speak, prepared the ground and public opinion. And it worked - the Taliban lost a lot in the support of the population after cutting off drug trafficking and quickly lost the war.
        3. +1
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Canecat
          It is not realistic to close, we have accumulated too much. But changing traffic routes is real.

          You can also buy raw materials for processing for medical purposes. And get your market share for opiates.
      2. 0
        July 12 2021
        Drug traffic should be directed strictly to the West! Let them poke around with this g ... ohm!
    2. 0
      July 12 2021
      Believe it or not, the Taliban are a recognized terrorist organization. Even in Russia.
    3. +2
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Canecat
      and in principle, it is doable for the Taliban.

      What sphere of economic activity will allow Afghanistan under the control of the Taliban to ensure its existence? What can the Taliban provide to the Afghan people (whether or not they are recognized by Moscow, Washington and the entire world community as a whole)?
      What to develop if there:
      Afghanistan is an underdeveloped agrarian state. An extremely poor country, heavily dependent on foreign aid ($ 2,6 billion in 2009, with a state budget of $ 3,3 billion).
      GDP per capita in 2009 - $ 800 (in purchasing power parity, 219th place in the world).
      78% of workers are in agriculture (31% of GDP), 6% - in industry (26% of GDP), 16% - in the service sector (43% of GDP). Unemployment rate - 35% (in 2008).
      Agricultural products - opium, grain, fruits, nuts; wool, leather.
      Industrial products - clothing, soap, footwear, fertilizers, cement; carpets; gas, coal, copper.

      ==========
      Russia can recognize the Taliban, but pulling the economy of Afghanistan - you can overstrain (apparently the West and the United States are counting on this). And what is there? The hand of the one who gives "gratuitous receipts" will not fail ... negative
      ==========
      And Zhirinovsky can prophesy anything. This prophet promised to wash boots in the Indian Ocean (parody):

      laughing
      1. +4
        July 12 2021
        Quote: ROSS 42
        What can the Taliban provide to the Afghan people (whether or not they are recognized by Moscow, Washington and the entire world community as a whole)?

        Mining. If China manages to come to an agreement with the Taliban, and they succeed if they wish, they will put them on this needle. And the extraction of PI is the development of the infrastructure of the region.
        1. -2
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Canecat
          If China manages to come to an agreement with the Taliban, and they succeed if they wish, they will put them on this needle.

          The Chinese themselves in the last century were on a needle. Where is the Taliban in this scenario? There is profitable production of PI, but there is "the game is not worth the candle." Like mining for gold dissolved in the waters of the world's oceans.
          Gold content in seawater and methods of its extraction. According to geochemists, one liter of seawater contains 0,000004 milligrams of dissolved gold, one cubic kilometer - 0,004 tons, in the entire volume of the World Ocean more than 6 million tons. Gold can be extracted by filtering seawater through adsorbents (coal fines, cellulose compounds, pyrite, sulphide ores, rags impregnated with reagents), followed by their combustion or dissolution.

          According to the World Gold Council, the total volume of gold reserves is 35 tons, which is 440 times less than this amount.
          All attempts to organize the extraction of gold from seawater ended in failure.
          1. 0
            July 13 2021
            Quote: ROSS 42
            The Chinese themselves in the last century were on a needle. Where is the Taliban in this scenario? There is profitable production of PI, but there is "the game is not worth the candle."

            Afghanistan is copper and iron. For the development of copper (considered to be the largest Aynak deposit in Eurasia), the Chinese have already signed a contract with the current government of Afghanistan. Iron, EMNIP, must be mined by India.
            Plus there is oil, gas (which the Chinese are also targeting), beryllium, cobalt, molybdenum, lithium. Well, gold - where without it.
            And given that the Taliban are a creature of Pakistan, and Pakistan is China's closest ally, I think that China will not have big problems with mining in Afghanistan.
      2. +2
        July 12 2021
        What are the spheres of economic activity that will allow Afghanistan under the control of the Taliban to ensure its existence?

        extractive industry. Russia will not pull it, but China was going to invest.
      3. +3
        July 12 2021
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: Canecat
        and in principle, it is doable for the Taliban.

        What sphere of economic activity will allow Afghanistan under the control of the Taliban to ensure its existence? What can the Taliban provide to the Afghan people (whether or not they are recognized by Moscow, Washington and the entire world community as a whole)?

        ==========
        Russia can recognize the Taliban, but pulling the economy of Afghanistan - you can overstrain (apparently the West and the United States are counting on this). And what is there? The hand of the one who gives "gratuitous receipts" will not fail ... negative


        The USA and all their horsemen are going through the forest.
        These are the players who are interested in destabilizing the region and will act against the countries of the region.

        All countries bordering Afghanistan, let's say the CSTO, Pakistan, China, and most likely Iran will join, are just interested in a stable Afghanistan without drug production.
        On Afghanistan, a club of his friends should be created on the basis of these countries and the rules of an agreed positive friendly policy and comprehensive obstruction of the influence of a hostile Western club on Afghanistan.

        This is quite realizable for the CSTO with China, Pakistan, there are no contradictions as it was before.

        Agriculture, infrastructure projects, gas pumping through Afghanistan, and mining can develop in Afghanistan.

        Moreover, these investments will be profitable, will allow the local population to be occupied.

        The main thing is not to allow the Anglo-Saxons and the rest of the West, Turkey and the Saudis there.
    4. -5
      July 12 2021
      Do not forget that alcida are just agents of the United States, under this abbreviation, and like Bin Laden is in charge of 911. I got such secrets there that they asked me to destroy them next during 911
    5. +1
      July 12 2021
      Take control of drug traffic and then reset it to zero

      Not really in principle. Their entire economy is tied to it.
    6. -1
      July 12 2021
      Take control of drug traffic and then reset it to zero
      Control - yes, but zeroing? According to the Constitution, only one person can be reset to zero. And our drug traffic, those who cover the channel, will not allow zeroing.
  6. +4
    July 12 2021
    Everything in this life is relative and nothing is eternal under the moon.
    Once upon a time, Yasser Arafat was a terrorist ...
    And for some, Ernesto Guevara is a terrorist.
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Sonmaster
      And for some, Ernesto Guevara is a terrorist.

      Ernesto Che Guevara and Fidel Castro ... Yes
    2. -3
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Sonmaster
      Everything in this life is relative and nothing is eternal under the moon.
      Once upon a time, Yasser Arafat was a terrorist ...
      And for some, Ernesto Guevara is a terrorist.

      The scoundrel Arafat remained a terrorist until his death. It was with his submission and the "light hand" of our diplomats in Lebanon was captured, and one was shot.
      As for Chegevara, before glorifying him, and minus me, take an interest in his art during the repressions against Fidel's political opponents and his activities when he was the commandant of the La Cabana prison.
      1. +1
        July 12 2021
        Nastenka ... if anyone is without sin, let him throw a stone first.
        No one should be idealized, but there are no saints in politics.
        1. -1
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Sonmaster
          Nastenka ... if anyone is without sin, let him throw a stone first.
          There is no one to be idealized, but there are no saints in politics.

          Right. But there is no need to canonize the scoundrels either.
    3. +1
      July 13 2021
      Quote: Sonmaster
      Once upon a time, Yasser Arafat was a terrorist ...

      And Menachem Begin and Yitzhak Shamir too.
  7. +1
    July 12 2021
    The Taliban are likely to take control of most of Afghanistan in the coming months. Most likely the whole of Afghanistan. For there is currently no charismatic leader who opposes their movement, such as Ahmad Shah Massoud. So, to one degree or another, you will still have to cooperate and interact with the Taliban. We need to stipulate our interests - the inviolability of the borders of our allies, the reduction of drug trafficking, etc. In the long term, I think that after several years of calm in Afghanistan some kind of war will start again :)
  8. +1
    July 12 2021
    According to experts, Russia may reconsider the status of the movement in the event of a change in the behavior of the Taliban and refusal of terrorist activities.

    In how.
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  9. +9
    July 12 2021
    I’m wondering if the Taliban is a terrorist organization that is banned in Russia, and then they suddenly come quietly. And whoever from the government will be given a term for a connection with a terrorist organization ?? Or is it only extremism that is sewn up for disagreeing with the authorities? It is necessary to invite the igils, and what, suddenly, too, are good guys!
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: zontov79
      I'm wondering if the Taliban is a terrorist organization that is banned in Russia and then suddenly they calmly come

      If you look for more detailed news, it will be written there that it was not the Taliban who arrived, but representatives of the Islamic movement from which the Taliban left. And although these movements are radicalized, they may not be recognized as terrorist in our country.
      1. -3
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Canecat
        Quote: zontov79
        I'm wondering if the Taliban is a terrorist organization that is banned in Russia and then suddenly they calmly come

        If you look for more detailed news, it will be written there that it was not the Taliban who arrived, but representatives of the Islamic movement from which the Taliban left. And although these movements are radicalized, they may not be recognized as terrorist in our country.

        You cannot negotiate with some bandits in the hope that they will kill other bandits. All of them are smeared with one world, and a raven, as you know, will not peck out a crow's eyes.
        1. +2
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Nurdom
          You cannot negotiate with some bandits in the hope that they will kill other bandits.

          Do not remind me how Christianity was implanted in Russia under Vladimir? Is it not radical to baptize with "fire and sword"? And what about the persecution of Old Believers after the schism in Orthodoxy under Peter? This is not a radical trend? Have you heard about the War of the Huguenots with Protestants in France?
          So Orthodoxy and other directions can be considered radical.
          1. 0
            July 12 2021
            just like modern vaccination
          2. 0
            July 14 2021
            Any religious movement is radical, by definition. Imposing rules of conduct that do not make rational sense. As an additional tool to keep people in line.
            This does not mean the "commandments" that are in the secular legislation.
        2. 0
          July 13 2021
          Quote: Nurdom
          You cannot negotiate with some bandits in the hope that they will kill other bandits.

          Remember these people?

          That's right - the mufti of Chechnya, who declared jihad to Russia, and his assistant and bodyguard.
          They are also the first president and the fourth president (and the current head) of the Chechen Republic controlled by the Russian Federation.
      2. AML
        0
        July 12 2021
        Even if they are recognized as terrorist, what is wrong with communication? Maybe they are tired of all this leapfrog and just want a quiet life. There is an opportunity to talk, let them talk.
    2. +1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: zontov79
      And whoever from the government will be given a term for a connection with a terrorist organization ?? Or is it only extremism that is sewn up for disagreeing with the authorities?

      So someone from Yabloko wrote, it seems to Panfilova that they would have been removed from the elections, since Lavrov is among the leaders of the list of edra there. Laughter is laughter, but technically the apple is right. The letter of the law must be respected.))))) Remove from the elections those who are seen in connections with extremist organizations. For past contacts with FBK, they are now filming, it seems.
      1. +3
        July 12 2021
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        The letter of the law must be respected

        The letter of the law has been observed. Negotiations were conducted not with the Taliban leaders, but with their representatives, not directly related to the specified structure.
    3. -1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: zontov79
      for the connection with a terrorist organization ??

      Communication can be intimate. But here negotiations. The United States also negotiated with the Taliban.
      1. -1
        July 13 2021
        I don't have to talk about my fantasies with the Taliban)
  10. +4
    July 12 2021
    If these Talibans (they called them grandfathers) can finally restore a decent and real world for ordinary people ... a locomotive for a meeting, go for it, there has been no peace in Afghanistan for 100 years! You can, but I personally will shake your hands
  11. -1
    July 12 2021
    Isis is next in line ...
  12. 0
    July 12 2021
    The border urgently needs to be strengthened in Tajikistan. These religious fanatics will trample into Central Asia. If we do not stop them there, we will have big hemorrhoids on the borders of Kazakhstan. Let them tell tales to other people about their peacefulness. I hope in Moscow they understand who they are dealing with.
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Have you seen the map? Where will they trample?
      Sincerely
  13. -3
    July 12 2021
    Apparently, marijunana is no longer growing in the states.
    The fact that the Taliban will seize everything is already a fait accompli, and we have arrived as a poet ... or we will introduce it or not. They perfectly understand that there will not be one Chechnya here, but a second and short one. Or they are normal, or we will grind into powder soldier
    1. -6
      July 12 2021
      I'm a little bit in the subject, but if ... we come back ... and we are not on the outskirts ... and back ... now our troops are completely different! Vyshebim ... Therefore, we came to ask for power, 500 years ago, princes came to ask for power, and now the time has come for them too. As he said, they will be able to give peace of mind to the people who cannot live in peace for a hundred years, take sovereignty and how many will freeze
    2. -3
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Split
      or grind into powder

      Well, yes, yes, NATO did not erase, but Russia will erase
      1. 0
        July 13 2021
        And they were there for another purpose drinks
        1. 0
          July 13 2021
          Quote: Split
          And they were there for another purpose

          With all due respect to fight simultaneously in Syria and Afghanistan, the navel will be untied.
  14. -5
    July 12 2021
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    Quote: Nurdom

    I do not exclude that these "good grandfathers" killed our soldiers 35 years ago.

    But not on our own land, but on our own. Therefore, to blame them for this is at least unfair.

    My mothers! Yes, you also start to whitewash the fascists? They killed our grandfathers on their land. Speak, but do not talk!
    1. -2
      July 12 2021
      My father piled them with Pinocchio, he zhe 634 and laid down hail! And the fact that they came to Moscow to ask for mercy ...
      1. +4
        July 12 2021
        It is so noticeable - what kind of stump such a process. Those who really fought never discuss it with anyone and ...!
        1. -1
          July 13 2021
          Imagine starting from a certain point! Have you even fought yourself?
      2. 0
        July 13 2021
        Quote: Split
        My father piled them with Pinocchio, he zhe 634 and laid down hail! And the fact that they came to Moscow to ask for mercy ...

        So your father fought with those with whom the Taliban themselves fought.
        The dushmans who opposed the USSR are the groups of Masud, Hekmatyar, Rabbania and others. And the Taliban appeared after the withdrawal of our troops, in the 90s - and overthrew the power of the "old dushmans", throwing those out of Kabul.
  15. AML
    +1
    July 12 2021
    Quote: Canecat
    Quote: Sonmaster
    It would be very nice to close the drug production in Afghanistan for a clean ...
    Pin-do-si with an Englishwoman will break off ...

    It is not realistic to close, we have accumulated too much. But changing traffic routes is real.

    The fact that they have accumulated the world medicine will live for a year and will not notice. The problem is deeper and broader. What to give in return for poppy fields to the peasants? At least they need something.
    1. -2
      July 12 2021
      So let them eat what they plant, or shouldn't Afghans live like that?
      1. AML
        +3
        July 12 2021
        Cotton does not taste very good, the rest requires reclamation and normal soil. There is a problem with both. And they planted drugs to grow them en masse. I think out of great philanthropy.
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  17. +3
    July 12 2021
    HOW everything is changing rapidly in this world! Negro is the president of the United States. The Taliban are coming to Moscow. Even Ukraine, from the largest gas transit country, has degraded into a reservation of a cheap labor force ...
  18. +2
    July 12 2021
    Quote: nobody75
    And they could well have captured Avganistan, if there were normal light infantry. And as then it was not, and now it is not.
    Sincerely

    Where did you serve in Afghanistan, and who was there to talk about, for the light infantry, what was and what was not?
    1. -3
      July 12 2021
      Throw off the link to the charter?
      Sincerely
      1. -3
        July 12 2021
        Although you may not quote ... you yourself agree with me:
        Bullshit - ,, allowed ,, blah blah .... nicherta not ,, allowed ,,. Behind the river, he served in 682 SMEs. In service with the 3MSB were the BTR-70. In mountainous areas, hot climates, high dust
        two rather weak carburetor engines were a sheer curse. In the heat, the power dropped (no thrust - only howling) constant overheating - they barely crawled on two engines, where on one.

        Do you recognize the author?
        Sincerely
  19. -2
    July 12 2021
    What do the Taliban leaders think about the "Durand Line"? For the Uzbeks-Tajiks and other Turkmens are good, but the Pashtuns, blood from blood, flesh from flesh, languishing under the rule of Islamabad are an order of magnitude higher. And Pakistan is a nightmare, it's not butting with the Russians.
  20. -4
    July 12 2021
    These are Turkish agents. And what is the essence of aimless Russian politics?
  21. 0
    July 12 2021
    Not in the subject, but about the war)))
  22. 0
    July 12 2021
    And why not, it is necessary to look at this opportunity strategically, so to speak, for the prospect of future cooperation, if the Taliban are able to keep their word and refuse terrorist attacks against "neighboring" countries, then mutual cooperation is possible, and then look and will help with the economy of Afghanistan's development ... hi
  23. 0
    July 13 2021
    In any case, it is necessary to negotiate with Afgan, because it is useless to fight with these people ..
  24. 0
    July 13 2021
    Representative of the Taliban (an organization banned in the Russian Federation): he told about what the delegation of the movement, who arrived in Moscow, asked about .. it's better, but why are you breaking the laws.
  25. 0
    July 13 2021
    Quote: nobody75
    Throw off the link to the charter?
    Sincerely

    You answer the question, an expert in tactics and regulations. Stsylku to him, throw off,, yeah, scattered, Pan Field Marshal,! And shove your respect into your point.
    1. -3
      July 13 2021
      And why be rude? Although I understand .... In order for the "cool heroes" to get out, as you wrote there, "With their heads held high," the Motherland had to arrange a "children's crusade" ... You understand the military cover. Without him, the "cool" could not even come out.
      I think that every nation deserves its own government. And you deserve the "Kolkhoznik" with your whole life ...
      And I owe nothing to your, soon enemy, Belarus, as well as to you personally.
      Sincerely
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  27. 0
    July 13 2021
    Earlier, LDPR leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky said that Russia will have to recognize the Taliban after the movement seizes power in Afghanistan.
    ... This is where everything goes.
    What the realities will be, you will have to work with them.
  28. 0
    July 13 2021
    Quote: nobody75
    Although you may not quote ... you yourself agree with me:
    Bullshit - ,, allowed ,, blah blah .... nicherta not ,, allowed ,,. Behind the river, he served in 682 SMEs. In service with the 3MSB were the BTR-70. In mountainous areas, hot climates, high dust
    two rather weak carburetor engines were a sheer curse. In the heat, the power dropped (no thrust - only howling) constant overheating - they barely crawled on two engines, where on one.

    Do you recognize the author?
    Sincerely

    Where and in what do I agree with you? Are you sick or hit?
  29. 0
    July 13 2021
    Quote: nobody75
    And why be rude? Although I understand .... In order for the "cool heroes" to get out, as you wrote there, "With their heads held high," the Motherland had to arrange a "children's crusade" ... You understand the military cover. Without him, the "cool" could not even come out.
    I think that every nation deserves its own government. And you deserve the "Kolkhoznik" with your whole life ...
    And I owe nothing to your, soon enemy, Belarus, as well as to you personally.
    Sincerely

    I see, schizophrenic detective. I have no questions. Chao, defective.
    1. 0
      July 13 2021
      All the best to you, "former from the former", live on in fairy tales about "Afghan", "Good Luka", etc.
      Sincerely
  30. Egg
    0
    July 13 2021
    Why not promise something if you can't do it anyway?

    You shouldn't have, I personally know several people whom Zhirinovsky helped in a difficult situation, for example, a woman lives in the next doorway, whose daughter Zhirinovsky paid for an expensive operation and rehabilitation after the operation. Now the girl is alive and well.
  31. 0
    July 13 2021
    We expect large deliveries of raw opium and finished heroin again !!!
  32. 0
    July 13 2021
    Russia, sooner or later, will definitely recognize the Taliban. Kagritsa, nothing personal, just political interests. Of course, this will happen only after the Taliban give up subversive activities against the Central Asian republics.
  33. -1
    July 13 2021
    Zhirinovsky is a weather vane because if something happens he will change his shoes and refuse his own words !!!
    Local inhabitants during the existence of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan 1996-2001. were they too young, do they have a short memory, or do they know little about history?
    Agreeing with the Taliban that they would refuse to support the Islamist terrorist would not succeed then and will not succeed now. As soon as the Taliban gain strength in Afghanistan, they will instantly forget all the promises they made and will again turn Afghanistan into the epicenter of world terrorism.

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