British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan

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There is a certain amount of gloating in Moscow's reaction to the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan. But besides this, there is also anxiety that Russia will have to intervene again in the conflict, which has been going on here for far from the first decade.

British columnist Mark Galeotti writes about this in his article published by The Spectator magazine.



The British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan. The author believes that under certain circumstances it may even become inevitable.

Russia is experiencing a bizarre mixture of satisfaction, irritation and awe

- says Galeotti, describing Moscow's attitude to the withdrawal of the US contingent from Central Asia.

The point is that Russia has its own experience of the war in Afghanistan. The author believes that the Soviet Union withdrew its troops from this country not as a result of defeat, but because its resources were depleted, and he could no longer continue to spend his limited funds on this campaign. Roughly the same thing has happened today with the United States.

Of course, in Russia they feel some satisfaction about this, but at the same time they fear that the chaos left by the Americans in Central Asia will reach our country. Moreover, according to Galeotti, more than 10 percent of Russians are Muslims.

And if radical Islamists seize Afghanistan and begin to spread their influence to the post-Soviet republics of Central Asia and further to Russia, Moscow, the author believes, will have no choice but to send a military contingent to Afghan soil.
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  1. +20
    July 12 2021
    Of course she will come back. "Based on new physical principles" :)
    1. -9
      July 12 2021
      a good idea_for example, if only Putin marries some local roxane in the Macedonian manner_ such as new physical principles_all other topics such as PMCs and videoconferencing in Afghanistan will not play _mountains and local PMCs from villages these are not the deserts of Syria and not the Syrian groups
      1. +18
        July 12 2021
        The fuck does he need this Afghan?

        Now, of course, it is fashionable to carry any game that Russia needs it so that terrorists do not multiply, blah-blah-blah.

        Let Afghani be Afghani.

        It's time to learn how to use not only a stick, but also a carrot.
        1. -4
          July 12 2021
          well, there, on the distant approaches, for example, it is not needed at all, but it is like a hornet's nest, it cannot live in itself and will not
          1. +4
            July 12 2021
            Quote: For example

            The fuck does he need this Afghan?
            Let Afghani be Afghani.
            It's time to learn how to use not only a stick, but also a carrot.

            That's it.
            Our troops have absolutely nothing to do there.
            This is what it is about - it is necessary to help the neighboring countries to organize effective control. With modern facilities, it is not very expensive. Because from there drug caravans will inevitably go.
            At the expense of "gingerbread" - I can not imagine. After all the wars, from the point of view of economic development, the country is hopeless. With billions of dollars in investments, profits will go only after tens of years, and then on condition that the Taliban capture the entire country, stop wars and punish thieves and bandits harshly
        2. +7
          July 12 2021
          Quote: For example
          The fuck does he need this Afghan?

          Now, of course, it is fashionable to carry any game that Russia needs it so that terrorists do not multiply, blah-blah-blah.

          Let Afghani be Afghani.

          It's time to learn how to use not only a stick, but also a carrot.

          Our thoughts coincide a bit. We were introduced to the Taliban as a terrorist movement. Is this so? I dont know. But it seems to me that this movement enjoys the support of a large part of the population. And, if so, then we better establish contact with them and not oppose them. Taking into account their statements in Moscow, it is better for us to be friends with them, to make Afghanistan, if not a friend, then at least a country loyal to Russia.
          There is no need for Russia to send troops to Afghanistan. True, the Darkest and Lavrov know better. But I guess they think the same.
          1. +7
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            We were introduced to the Taliban as a terrorist movement. Is this so?

            Now everything will depend on them. If the Taliban, as a victorious structure, is concerned about the creation of some kind of statehood in Afghanistan, the creation of a vertical of power, civil institutions, etc., why not recognize their victory officially? Establish trade and other cooperation. And if they slip into religious obscurantism and begin to "impose their society" on their neighbors, then only with a hot iron.
            1. +1
              July 12 2021
              Quote: Polite Elk

              Now everything will depend on them. If the Taliban, as a victorious structure, is concerned about the creation of some kind of statehood in Afghanistan, the creation of a vertical of power, civil institutions, etc., why not recognize their victory officially? Establish trade and other cooperation. And if they slip into religious obscurantism and begin to "impose their society" on their neighbors, then only with a hot iron.

              Only in this way and nothing else.
            2. +1
              July 12 2021
              Good evening)
            3. +1
              July 13 2021
              All attempts to create statehood on Afghan soil over the centuries end in the same way. Technically, there are no resources for a strong state apparatus. The army will be weak, the police will be weak, and so on. The Taliban will do nothing like all their predecessors. This is important to understand and prepare.
          2. +4
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            There is no need for Russia to send troops to Afghanistan.

            The West is just waiting for Russia to enter Afghanistan. But I think that there will be no stupid people in Russia.
            1. -2
              July 12 2021
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              There is no need for Russia to send troops to Afghanistan.

              The West is just waiting for Russia to enter Afghanistan. But I think that there will be no stupid people in Russia.

              Of course we won't go in .. Why? But there will be enough advisers and other specialists ... Afghanistan is far from a poor country, there are various deposits of rare earth metals, semi-precious stones, etc. enough to pay for help of one kind or another ... The Taliban are also not stupid to climb (as the Anglo-Saxons push them) into the territory of the former USSR ..
              They remember how shuravi can fight if they are pissed off ..
              Let's see, I think that there will be no war, but you need to be on the alert!
              1. -1
                July 12 2021
                Quote: xorek
                ..Afgan is not a poor country, there are various deposits of rare earth metals, semiprecious stones, etc. enough to pay for help

                Can you remind me with what rare earth metals DRA paid off Soviet debts?
                1. -6
                  July 12 2021
                  Quote: Lara Croft
                  Quote: xorek
                  ..Afgan is not a poor country, there are various deposits of rare earth metals, semiprecious stones, etc. enough to pay for help

                  Can you remind me with what rare earth metals DRA paid off Soviet debts?

                  Nothing .. Are you satisfied?
                  1. 0
                    July 12 2021
                    Quote: xorek
                    Quote: Lara Croft
                    Quote: xorek
                    ..Afgan is not a poor country, there are various deposits of rare earth metals, semiprecious stones, etc. enough to pay for help

                    Can you remind me with what rare earth metals DRA paid off Soviet debts?

                    Nothing .. Are you satisfied?

                    If nothing, how can I be satisfied?
          3. -4
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            We were introduced to the Taliban as a terrorist movement. Is this so? I dont know.

            Well, in the Russian Federation, it is considered a terrorist organization, even if you do not know anything about it ...
            Taking into account their statements in Moscow, it is better for us to be friends with them.

            Their statements are worthless .... who to be friends with terrorists?
        3. +8
          July 12 2021
          It's just that the British really want us to go there. But it won't. They clearly said that we would help our allies in the CSTO, and there is no point in getting into this noose with our heads now.
          1. +4
            July 12 2021
            They really want it.
          2. 0
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Artyom Karagodin
            and there is no point in getting into this loop with your head now.

            In one loop, they do not fit twice.
            1. +2
              July 12 2021
              Yes, you need to learn from mistakes. If a breeding ground for terrorism similar to the Syrian one appears there, then something will have to be done, but then we must not act alone. There and China will be interested (due to problems with the Uighurs), and other neighbors. The same India, for example. For them, too, another Islamist base near the borders has not rumbled for 200 years.

              But the war between the Taliban and the conditional "Northern Alliance-2" - it will rather be a conflict between the Pashtuns on the one hand and Tajiks and other nationalities of Northern Afgan - on the other, as it was before the American invasion. That is, not a jihad against the infidels, but interethnic squabbles.

              Therefore, it is not a fact that a kind of terrorist international will eventually emerge there, as in the same Syria. The Taliban, judging by their behavior, also drew conclusions from the 20-year war. They are unlikely to want hemorrhoids again with some regular international coalition. After all, it may turn out to be more effective than the NATO one.

              But time will tell what will work out there in the end.
              1. 0
                July 13 2021
                The more interethnic squabbles, the less interethnic squabbles. And it is also possible and necessary to "feed" the parties, depending on the benefits of Russia.
        4. +3
          July 12 2021
          Quote: For example
          The fuck does he need this Afghan?

          Now, of course, it is fashionable to carry any game that Russia needs it so that terrorists do not multiply, blah-blah-blah.

          Let Afghani be Afghani.

          It's time to learn how to use not only a stick, but also a carrot.

          We have experience, we have learned something.
          Neither a stick nor a carrot is needed.
          Don't hi themselves boil in their own juice, but we need our guys here too. hi
        5. +6
          July 12 2021
          Quote: For example
          but also a carrot.

          Gingerbread was in the USSR, the gingerbread factories did not have time to deliver their products all over the world, you know the results.
        6. +1
          July 13 2021
          Quote: For example
          It's time to learn how to use not only a stick, but also a carrot.

          the USSR did not know how to use gingerbread ?????? !!!!!!!!!! Or do you seriously think that "Brotherly Help" passed by the nose of local rulers (even in Asia, even in Africa, even in Latin America !!!) floated ????
          And everything went to the local people ?? !! lol lol
          Oh well....
      2. +7
        July 12 2021
        for example, if only Putin in Macedonian marries some local Roxane

        Citizen HYBOT!
        Unlike your leaders, our politics and diplomacy are not under duress. Professionally.
        Therefore, the States flew to the Taliban in Qatar.
        In our country, the Taliban came to Moscow.
        Qatar invests money in Russian projects. We are friends with KSA.
        And earlier they were the main sponsors of the Caucasus Emirate.
        Our leadership does not need either an invasion of Afghanistan or exotic receptions from the "shop in our yard" level. bully
        1. -8
          July 12 2021
          military actions of Russian troops against the Taliban and their allies on the territory of Tajikistan and in the border area will be, in terms of the nature of the consequences, tantamount to an invasion of the territory of Afghanistan_and in general for the Taliban Russians are infidels, therefore, treaties with Russia for them have no special force and are purely situational
          1. +3
            July 12 2021
            Don't worry too much about it.
            There will be no fighting. As much as you would like it.
            And there will be interaction with the Taliban.
            And lastly, there are kafirs (NATO), and there are shuravi. wink
          2. -1
            July 12 2021
            Quote: HYBOT
            and in general for the Taliban, Russians are infidels, therefore, treaties with Russia for them do not have much power and are purely situational

            and in general the Russian Federation is not going to conclude any agreements with them ...
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    2. +2
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Sergey39
      Of course she will come back. "Based on new physical principles" :)


      British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan

      Western experts (or "experts"?) All together rushed to "match" to Afghanistan, if not us, then the Chinese (article in the next thread).

      But, as the classic said - "We'll go the other way!"
    3. +1
      July 12 2021
      -Sergey - wall and throw in a camouflage net?
      - Vasya, why marry, you can convert to Islam.
      "We can be hired, but we cannot be bought." (Afghan proverb).
      And the last one is. at the final moment, the PUSHTUN Taliban with its nationally oriented "neo-Shariah", purely internal Afghan policy, will not need foreign fellow travelers. Then among the next wave of refugees there may be people from the North Caucasus, from the Volga republics, who are very radically disposed
    4. 0
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Sergey39
      Of course she will come back. "Based on new physical principles" :)

      From the Caspian Sea, Syrian babakhs have tried and recommend wink
    5. +2
      July 12 2021
      As I understand it, the new physical principles mean: not the introduction of manpower and ground equipment into Afghanistan; not placing land bases and airfields, storage bases. BUT: the beginning of patrolling by reconnaissance UAVs of the border districts of Afghanistan, the direction of shock drones to quickly destroy the identified places of congestion of the Mujahideen, their bases, camps, communication routes, caravans, fortified areas, warehouses, locations of armored vehicles and other things?
      And to this: to minimize the cost of such reconnaissance and strikes, using mainly old aerial bombs, suspended machine-gun containers and other things from long-term storage warehouses. Because it is expensive and ineffective to shoot new missiles.
      1. -1
        July 12 2021
        British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan
        then "tagged", you need to hang by the eggs, and Shevarteen, and the hedgehog with them.
  2. +11
    July 12 2021
    No one in their right mind will go to Afghanistan, they fought there 100 years ago ... Remember Vatsan. Maximum border of Tajikistan, etc. strengthen. Afghanistan (well, I'm talking about a forbidden one) is like a cockroach, either poison it (nuclear strike) or isolate it ... they have been trying for 100 years. Lock it up like a zombie land and let them figure it out for themselves
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Split
      Lock it up like a zombie land and let them figure it out for themselves

      drugs will be trampled across the border ... the Tajiks have blurred the border there in some places. He will trample on jet donkeys again, and some of us are weak to bribe.
      1. +1
        July 12 2021
        It’s hard to believe that everything was under lock and key there until today.
        1. 0
          July 13 2021
          Quote: akropin
          It’s hard to believe that everything was under lock and key there until today.

          to this day, they used military aircraft to carry drugs to Kosovo. And now a donkey .... well, or a Toyota SUV.
      2. 0
        July 12 2021
        My father's Afghan is all over! Why he fought there - I still don't understand No. This is what the Americans fought for - I recall, but apparently even such a arrival was not enough
  3. +9
    July 12 2021
    The author believes that the Soviet Union withdrew its troops from this country not as a result of defeat, but because its resources were depleted, and he could no longer continue to spend his limited funds on this campaign.

    The author generally understands little about the topic he undertook to discuss.
    1. +5
      July 12 2021
      The British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan. The author believes that under certain circumstances it may even become inevitable.

      They (England) so want it, but it is not at all a fact that this can happen.
    2. 0
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Doccor18
      The author generally understands little about the topic he undertook to discuss.

      All these funny Western dreamers! Including this Briton with an Italian surname - Galeotti! laughing
      1. -1
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
        All these funny Western dreamers! Including this Briton with an Italian surname - Galeotti!


        What do you want ? H L O B A L I Z A C I Z , her mother recourse ...
        This, though obviously an emigrant, is a European, and how many immigrants from Asia, the Middle East, the African continent in the same Great Britain?
      2. +1
        July 12 2021
        Someone minus you, probably italians of British descent laughing
        1. +1
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Doccor18
          Someone minus you, probably italians of British descent

          There are enough hoopoes here Yes
        2. -1
          July 12 2021
          Quote: Doccor18
          Someone minus you, probably italians of British descent laughing

          I noticed. But this is not only here, but constantly, everywhere and for no reason. recourse "Friends" are hunting. Yes I wonder why the moderators do not notice this. request
          For a long time I have been saying and suggesting that we make an indicator of WHO and HOW puts "plus" and "minus". So that, as Peter the First used to say, "everyone's stupidity is visible." lol But things are still there!
          1. 0
            July 12 2021
            Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
            I have been saying and suggesting for a long time that they make an indicator of WHO and HOW puts "plus" and "minus"

            But then you will have to answer for your assessment, positive, and especially negative, to explain ...
            And so everything is simple, someone pays everyone in a row, someone minuses everyone ...
            1. -1
              July 12 2021
              Quote: Doccor18
              And so everything is simple, someone pays everyone in a row, someone minuses everyone ...

              Well, not quite so ... I noticed a long time ago that +/- is a weapon of some NOT smart manipulators, which they use against SMART people. For example, I have just been "minus" by 2000 points. WHO??? FOR WHAT???

              And I, for example, initially agree to be responsible for my words.
              1. +1
                July 12 2021
                For example, I have just been "minus" by 2000 points.


                And how much is it in rubles? laughing Isn't it funny for you to participate in "Plus - Minus" toys? As they say in my small homeland, "I would like to skip tea"
                1. -1
                  July 12 2021
                  Quote: dauria
                  For example, I have just been "minus" by 2000 points.


                  And how much is it in rubles? laughing Isn't it funny for you to participate in "Plus - Minus" toys? As they say in my small homeland, "I would like to skip tea"

                  Not really funny. Why? Yes, I know that although +/- and funny Vosh titles should show true the value of a VO participant, but they need to be treated rather skeptically, because the number of +/- and the availability of titles on VO are determined NOT by the true value of the participant, but by the whim of a small clan group of activists, completely mastering the comments and having a VERY original alternative view of reality. Take this view - for a long time I WOULD be not a "lieutenant general" like you, but a marshal. And there are enough other alternatives ... smile

                  Especially not funny because from time to time with me AT ONCE take off 2-3 thousand points. Points are nonsense, but who, for what and why? ...

                  And so - yes! - these points and titles are nonsense. The main thing is the opportunity to speak out. Although sometimes ...smile
  4. 0
    July 12 2021
    Russia is experiencing a bizarre mixture of satisfaction, irritation and awe
    ... Come on, he said and said. How much truth is there, no one will understand.
  5. +3
    July 12 2021
    England should take care of its percentage of the population professing Islam. How long ago a soldier, in the center of London, was cut off! English Islamists are much more dangerous, they live richly and from nothing to do, they can arrange this. From the Saxons I bastard, give advice to everyone. At the Tower of London, something is forgotten. And the bearded know where the threat to their peace comes from, and this is by no means RUSSIA and CHINA.
  6. +1
    July 12 2021
    The intrigue masters have started another campaign! Historically, all the "hot news" of the British media is written in MI6.
  7. +4
    July 12 2021
    The British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan.

    Brits don't want to? Or the previous two attempts were enough that for more than 150 years they have not even looked in that direction? ... lol
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Duc they remember that in some century 2 corps of warriors left India, and only two returned! Happy holiday, I was on duty yesterday! drinks
      1. +1
        July 12 2021
        Mutually! Seven feet! drinks
  8. +3
    July 12 2021
    The topic is not simple. And why do we need Afghan? There is nowhere to put money? China needs it rather. Since there are projects to carry or download something through it. By itself, it is not needed entirely.
    1. -1
      July 12 2021
      China needs it rather.

      Just let China climb there, and we'll see what happens. In Afghanistan, whoever has not been and who has not succeeded in conquering it, so let China restore order there.
      1. 0
        July 12 2021
        Chinese, Uyghur-style treatment may work for Afghanistan too
    2. 0
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The topic is not simple. And why do we need Afghan?

      It is full of tasty deposits. Hard-to-reach, but still easier to lift than from the Arctic shelf. Nevertheless, I completely agree with you - they do not enter the same river twice. Here, the problem cannot be solved right off the bat, here it is necessary to enter smartly, to negotiate with real force, and not to build tin soldiers with a plasticine king in Kabul. And something tells me that China will do it. No noise, no dust, no din ... hi
      1. 0
        July 12 2021
        negotiate with real force
        Do you think that so far no one has tried to come to an agreement?
    3. 0
      July 12 2021
      The fact of the matter is that at the moment it is a burden for Russia. Because you cannot leave everything to chance.
      1. +1
        July 12 2021
        Quote: Slaven
        The fact of the matter is that at the moment it is a burden for Russia. Because you cannot leave everything to chance.


        And so Afghanistan occupied by the Americans for Russia and neighboring states was neither a burden nor a problem. It is necessary to take a broader view of Afghanistan, a problem not only for Russia, but also for Pakistan, China and the republics of Central Asia.

        All these countries have a strong common interest in normalizing the situation in Afghanistan and each of these countries has quite effective leverage over the processes in Afghanistan.
        Moreover, there are no strong contradictions or hostility between neighboring countries. Therefore, it is necessary to come to an agreement among neighboring countries and solve Afghanistan as a common problem.

        Previously, it was not possible to do so, the presence of the US occupation forces and the puppet government would make all efforts useless.

        The withdrawal of the United States is a positive moment, it is the departure of a powerful destabilizing factor and a player blocking any constructive actions.

        Now opportunities are opening up for changing the situation in the region for the better, and yes, a transitional stage is beginning.
        The time has come, which requires quick, thoughtful and effective action.
        Time moves and does not bite off its beak.

        If you win a million in the lottery, then there are also a lot of "problems" you need to double-check the numbers, draw up a win, get money, where to determine it, figure out how to use it, the danger of being robbed rises)

        The Americans, of course, are as good as they can when they leave, but they did the same when they were in Afghanistan.

        Now they are losing the ability to influence the political, military, economic processes in Afghanistan.
  9. -1
    July 12 2021
    The Taliban themselves came to Moscow for negotiations, convincing them that they have no plans to go beyond the borders of Afghanistan. Politics is a very slippery business.
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Alexander 3
      The Taliban themselves came to Moscow for negotiations, convincing them that they have no plans to go beyond the borders

      Hitler even signed a non-aggression pact ... winked
      1. 0
        July 12 2021
        With the Taliban, WE are unfaithful, and with us, the Taliban are unfaithful. How to trust them?
    2. 0
      August 25 2021
      Well, the Taliban, besides Russia, have visited several other countries. And with the same Americans they even have peace treaties. Pompeo himself shook hands with them.
  10. +1
    July 12 2021
    Effective control of these territories is impossible without colossal infusions and large-scale construction, without which it is impossible to break the medieval mentality of the locals and create significant groups of the population interested in cooperation and development of the country. Without these measures, a picture similar to the last two Afghan campaigns will be observed over and over again.
    In turn, colossal infusions and large-scale construction - that is, investing in these territories, in fact, is a high-risk project with a sooooo long payback period. Above this principle can only be a certain geostrategic or resource interest of the highest degree - but neither one nor the other is being observed now. The world is tired of Afghanistan, no one is interested in putting things in order there, because it is not profitable.
    The modern Russian Federation does not have the funds to inject into Afghanistan, acc. The maximum that we can and should do in such a situation is pinpoint diplomacy in the region, perhaps some kind of special operations and intelligence - so that events do not develop in a frankly unfavorable way for us.
    1. 0
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      ... investing in these territories is essentially a high-risk project with a sooooo long payback period. Above this principle can only be a certain geostrategic or resource interest of the highest degree - but neither one nor the other is being observed now. The world is tired of Afghanistan ...


      It is precisely the United States that "got tired" of Afghanistan and left it.

      In fact, from the point of geopolitics, if you are "tired" of the problem and pretended that you left it, it will come back to you)

      How to get away from the problem of drug production in Afghanistan for the entire region, to pretend that this does not exist? Afghanistan is just a common geostrategic problem for the region, and it has ripened for a long time.

      The problem of Afghanistan will not be solved by Russia, but by all neighboring countries through jointly coordinated efforts.
      Because it will not work otherwise, and everyone is tired of the problematic Afghanistan.

      How to solve those issues where investments with a long payback period are required, a regional bank, a fund for investments can be created.
      Moreover, this topic can be very profitable, the main thing is that as many neighboring countries as possible participate, so that Afghanistan is protected from unnecessary influence from all sides.
      1. 0
        July 13 2021
        There is a very effective means of combating the most popular, "low-tech" drug production in some territories, more precisely, there are two of these means. One less attractive, but more budgetary, the second more attractive and less budgetary. This is what is called methods of radical resolution of the issue, in the event that it is really important to resolve it, and not endlessly groan and scratch faces.
        1) The fungal or insect parasite of the opium poppy is genetically modified, which is characteristic of this particular region and the UAV spreads relatively covertly.
        2) The opium poppy itself is genetically modified (by analogy with the opium-free varieties for the confectionery industry, bred selectively) into varieties with dominant traits for growing green mass and a reduced content of narcotic substances, or with greater attractiveness for natural pollinators. Further, through the process of pollination, this will be an ever-increasing damage to the productivity of artisanal farms.

        I am a supporter of the principle "if a radical solution did not help, then it was not radical enough", and therefore I look at the insolubility of the Afghan problem not as an "inability" to solve it, but as a "unwillingness" to tackle it as a methodical, consistent, in places dirty and unyielding activity in solving this problem, if it has already been tackled or if it is actually recognized as a problem.

        A good, radical solution would be to raze Afghanistan between neighboring states, possibly with a reduction in the territory of Afghanistan, perhaps even with its elimination. A segmented problem is easier to digest, maybe this would be a solution. The second approach would be in the direction of the carrot and carrot method of the economic activity of this state - on the one hand, drawing up a "road map" for the possibility of cultivating some expensive and demanded crops in the region by "artisans", on the other hand, iron methods of combating undesirable crops - up to bombardment of such areas with highly concentrated herbicides, in principle, interfering with any economy for many years.
        Generally speaking, the laws of economics apply to everyone, even the Papuans, so it is possible to create conditions that SHOULD play by the rules. That we, that the Americans failed in this because of Western humanism on the one hand, and the pusi-pusi with puppet regimes on the other.
        For good, of course, it's just stupid to introduce a rule - the house in which the weapon is found is burned, the person in which the weapon is found is shot on the spot, the family in which 1 active bearded man was burned is forcibly moved, etc.
        No one will do this, of course, because our entire civilization is mired in vanilla and pink snot, but this would solve the problem rather quickly.
  11. +2
    July 12 2021
    Russia will not do anything besides strengthening the borders of the CSTO, our interests in Afghanistan, except for drug trafficking, are not.
    1. 0
      July 12 2021
      And there are deposits of lapis lazuli and emeralds worth a trillion dollars of mineral resources, but they need to be developed and mining and processing industries to be built.
  12. +2
    July 12 2021
    You can grind with your tongue as much as you like, it is boneless. Maybe the little ones themselves decided to remember the past and visit Afghan and probe the soil.
    1. 0
      July 12 2021
      Quote: Ros 56
      Maybe the little ones themselves decided to remember the past and visit Afghan and probe the soil.

      After the last Wishlist, they have not even looked in that direction for more than 150 years ...
  13. sen
    +6
    July 12 2021
    England is an enemy and in vain hopes that the Russians will step on the same rake twice, but the borders must be strengthened.
  14. 0
    July 12 2021
    Roughly the same thing happened today with the United States.

    BibiCi wrote in 2019 that the Taliban control about 80% of the territory, so this is not at all the same - the United States was defeated, or rather, a defeat.
    1. 0
      July 12 2021
      It was a super operation of the United States to cut the dough since 2001 with the Taliban, they fought there very sluggishly for drugs, they promoted weapons to the right and sold them to the left and stole money to supply their entire contingent for 20 years.
  15. +3
    July 12 2021
    Gloating is a trait of Britas and Amirikos. We are too humane and too high for such base feelings. And we have no rezon to send troops. We will help Tajiks and Uzbeks with aviation and supplies, if anything. Although I personally think that our people will recognize the new government of Afghanistan. And we and the Afghans do not need new graters, and then time will tell.
  16. +2
    July 12 2021
    I remembered the cartoon "Once upon a time there was a dog", there is such a plot where all the dogs of the village break in turns ... that's the same in the press ... one said "Woof" ... and it started to remind of myself ...
  17. bar
    +3
    July 12 2021
    The British press talks about Russia's return to Afghanistan.

    You still want to know why Russia needs this?
    Russia is experiencing a bizarre mixture of satisfaction, irritation and awe

    Into delirium wassat
    The Naglo-Saxons judge others exclusively by themselves ...
  18. -2
    July 12 2021
    A small unit could be sent after the Taliban take Kabul. Sappers or instructors, for example, but only if the Taliban themselves invite. It would be a good PR move ...
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      Quote: grassyknollgunner
      if the Taliban themselves invite. It would be a good PR move ..

      They sent it already, they cleared the mines for 10 years ...
      1. -3
        July 12 2021
        The main thing is to be able to send on time ...
    2. 0
      July 13 2021
      Quote: grassyknollgunner
      A small unit could be sent after the Taliban take Kabul.

      And you, as a representative of the masses, are ahead, on a dashing horse, to know the echo of the past war ... hi
  19. 0
    July 12 2021
    I think that the Afghans themselves prefer to work from "shuravi" rather than "mattresses"
  20. +3
    July 12 2021
    Throughout history, no one has ever been able to conquer Afghanistan. Despite the solid reserves of minerals and Islam, they just plant drugs and it suits them. Anyone who tells them to live differently becomes a target. And it doesn't matter if this someone built schools and roads, or just broke in both, he is superfluous in their lives, since he violates the established way of life and customs for centuries. Even if they share bread with you during the day, they can easily cut your throat at night. Feudal system ... hi
  21. 0
    July 12 2021
    This is his personal opinion, although there is some truth in these assumptions. Of course, Russia is not the USSR and will not just get into Afghanistan (the time of "fraternal" aid has passed), but it is not necessary to discount the fact that Afghanistan can turn into a second ISIS, and then like it or not, they will begin to shake our borders and interests. .. and then you will have to intervene, but most likely following the example of Syria.
    1. 0
      July 12 2021
      If we are not alone there will still be Pakistan, China and Iran.
    2. 0
      July 13 2021
      Quote: Alexey-74
      . and then you will have to intervene, but most likely following the example of Syria.

      No, the Syrian experience will not work, the Uyghur will be more likely there. Afghan, he lives in the 16th century, he understands only carrots and sticks.
  22. +2
    July 12 2021
    The Soviet Union withdrew its troops because of the traitors in the Kremlin. Russia is gratified that enemy troops are cowardly fleeing our borders. Russia is annoyed by the fact that these very enemy troops have been shitting for a long time near our borders. And what is trepidation? Is it the shaking of the shallow-shaven veins at the thought that they are not welcome somewhere?
  23. 0
    July 12 2021
    Introduce for what? Do Afghans need a new (old) cash cow? Let them try to live without them.
  24. 0
    July 12 2021
    The coming to power of Hezbollah in Palestine clearly shows that the devil is not as bad as he is portrayed.
    If the Taliban finally win, and everything goes to that, then, willy-nilly, they will have to tie up with the Islamist Makhnovism and take up state affairs.
    And if their power is strong and ideologically united, all this will not lead to anything bad (for us).
    1. +2
      July 12 2021
      So the Taliban were already in power in Afghanistan. They, of course, are still the scumbags, but there is also a positive factor. In theory, they can unite the country around themselves and stop inter-tribal squabbles. And they don't get along with IS, and that's not bad. The main thing is not to get into Central Asia and Russia.
  25. -2
    July 12 2021
    It is possible to prevent the Taliban from penetrating and capturing the Central Asian republics and their infiltration into Russia.
    This is a warning to the Taliban, after their occupation of Afghanistan, about the use of nuclear weapons against them.
    There will be nothing to be ashamed of.
    Afghanistan will lose its sovereignty, therefore, a strike on its territory with nuclear weapons will be legitimate.
    1. 0
      July 13 2021
      Quote: Alexander Popov_3
      This is a warning to the Taliban, after their occupation of Afghanistan, about the use of nuclear weapons against them.

      Eco has inserted you, my friend! No sooner had the bomb arrive at the drop point than these bearded guys will dissolve through the cracks like morning fog under the sun's rays, and begin to move to clean territory, and obviously not in the direction of Pakistan and China. He can immediately drop a rubber bomb - let him jump after the Taliban ...
  26. 0
    July 12 2021
    Question: Can you explain to me the origin of the brimmed hat worn by Russian soldiers in Afghanistan?
    1. 0
      July 13 2021
      Quote: Decimalegio
      Question: Can you explain to me the origin of the brimmed hat worn by Russian soldiers in Afghanistan?

      Ask your peasants why they wear wide-brimmed hats in the field?
      1. +1
        July 13 2021
        I figured out the reason for using it. But I asked about the origin of the hat, and it was made from scratch, it copies some traditional model. Finally, was it only used in Afghanistan?
        1. +1
          July 13 2021
          Quote: Decimalegio
          I figured out the reason for using it.

          In March 1938, by order of the NKO of the USSR No. 61 for the supply of the Red Army soldiers who served in areas with hot climates (Central Asian republics, the North Caucasus and Transcaucasia, as well as the Crimea), instead of the cap, a special summer headdress was introduced, called the "subtropical helmet" ... hi
        2. +1
          July 19 2021
          Quote: Decimalegio
          But I asked about the origin of the hat

          https://back-in-ussr.com/2018/05/subtropicheskiy-shlem---panama-armii-sssr.html
          1. +1
            July 19 2021
            Thanks for the answer good
  27. 0
    July 12 2021
    And if the Britons want to try it themselves, we'll see.
  28. 0
    July 12 2021
    Quote: For example
    The fuck does he need this Afghan?

    Now, of course, it is fashionable to carry any game that Russia needs it so that terrorists do not multiply, blah-blah-blah.

    Let Afghani be Afghani.

    It's time to learn how to use not only a stick, but also a carrot.

    Is there enough gingerbread for all the neighbors?
    Will get into the habit
  29. -2
    July 12 2021
    Russia is experiencing a bizarre mixture of satisfaction, irritation and awe

    And what trepidation does the author wander about, who in Russia will be afraid of "spirits"? She survived the Tatar-Mongol invasion and defeated the most powerful armies of the world in the 19th and 20th centuries and danced in their capitals ...
    Afghanistan is not monolithic, not only Pashtuns live there, and not all the people of Afghanistan want to live again under the Sharia, and certainly the peoples of Central Asia do not want to live under it ...
  30. 0
    July 12 2021
    Don't piss the Angles, our army has nothing to do there. But the southern transport route is interesting.
  31. 0
    July 12 2021
    Then the Taliban need to be provided with a roadmap if they want the sanctions to be lifted from them.
  32. +1
    July 13 2021
    Have you forgotten about 15 of our dead soldiers? Do you want new victims? We have nothing to do in Afghanistan. Let them solve their own problems there. Enough for us and Syria with interest. Think about your people first.
  33. 0
    July 13 2021
    It is necessary, what is IMPORTANT FOR RUSSIA - to stop thinking about others. The world has long responded to Russia with Russophobia and repeated genocide, including brothers and "compatriots" in the USSR, including already in the territory of the Russian Federation itself (see the messages of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB of the Russian Federation). It's time to remember and do what will provide Russia and its INDIGENOUS peoples security and well-being. RF, far from the USSR, and the USSR was finished off. Only pragmatism -
    - Alexander 3 - Russia has only 2 loyal allies - Army and Navy, soldier
    - From a speech in the English House of Commons (March 1, 1858) by the Foreign Secretary and Prime Minister (1855-1858; 1859-1865) of Great Britain, Viscount Henry John Temple Palmerstoia (1784-1865). He made this speech during a parliamentary debate on British foreign policy.
    In original: We do not have eternal allies and we do not have constant enemies; our interests are eternal and permanent. Our duty is to protect these interests. hi
    Quoted: as an example of exemplary pragmatism in foreign policy.
    Those. order in the house of the Russian Federation , economy, social sphere, security in Russia itself and the Iron Curtain - the well-protected borders of the Russian Federation. fellow
    in the Russian Federation mln. from Wed. Asia, and how they behave, see the regular reports of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB of the Russian Federation... while the Afghan government and its opponents are engaged in war with each other, IS is deploying new forces to the region. According to a number of reports from Arabic-language media, many IS leaders who fled from Iraq and Syria took refuge in Afghanistan. A number of Syrian publications explicitly state that the forces of the CIA and the US Army were involved in the evacuation of especially dangerous terrorists from the Middle East.
    In addition, there is a generational conflict in the Taliban. There are old school fighters, more moderate ones. And there are young people who have seen all these videos on the Internet with the horrors of IS. They want the same. They want to be known all over the world. And if the elders interfere with them, they will go to IS.
    Who will win this confrontation between the factions. Perhaps the Taliban, Al-Qaeda and ISIS will divide Afghanistan into zones of influence and from there will send their militants to India (Kashmir), China (Xinjiang), Central Asia (Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan), and Russia. It is not an "if" question, it is a "when" question. And we need to wait for a new rise in the threat of terrorism. Steeper than Syria and Iraq. am https://www.mk.ru/politics/2021/07/09/igil-podnyalo-golovu-posle-nastupleniya-talibov-v-afganistane.html
  34. 0
    July 15 2021
    Almost half of the British population is Muslim.

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