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How did Zelenograd come to the idea of ​​copying microcircuits, why didn't they start developing their own, domestic?

First clones


It's very simple. As we remember, in NII-35 a certain BV Malin sat in the warm position of chief, all the greatness of which, as a designer, lay in his father - VN Malin, head of the general department of the Central Committee of the CPSU. Naturally, Shokin loved and respected so many useful people. And as we remember, Malin was among the lucky ones who swept through the party line in the United States for an internship in the field of microelectronics.



They trained until 1962 and would have been happy to continue at least until 1970, but the Cuban Missile Crisis and the construction of the Berlin Wall happened. And relations between the USSR and the USA were completely ruined. Malin brought back a souvenir from a business trip - he got six rare TI SN510s. Since the Zelenograd center was already founded and it was necessary to quickly start producing something (and the designers from the party bosses somehow did not work out very well), Malin simply showed Shokin samples and he ordered to copy them immediately.

Let's give the floor to Malin himself. Here is a quote from his personal report to Shokin on the results of the trip:

He listened to the report, looked at the diagram through a microscope and said: reproduce without any deviations, I give you a period of three months.
In my youth, I could not stand it and laughed.
- Why are you laughing, lost the habit of our pace there in America? I, a member of the Central Committee, said: to reproduce means to reproduce! And you, so as not to laugh, will be my chief designer and will report to me every month at the board.
Then, after thinking a little, A.I. Shokin nevertheless asked - how much do you think is necessary?
We replied that we need three years ...
Operating schemes from NII-35 were demonstrated to Shokin in 1965 ...
Serial production was mastered in 1967.

In addition to the completely typical despotic rudeness characteristic of all types of Soviet bosses (I don’t understand the topic, but a member of the Central Committee!), We also see their typical misunderstanding of the subject area. Serial production in small batches in 1967 of copies of American microcircuits, released back in 1962 and obsolete by five years ... It was a verdict on all domestic electronics, from that moment we have forever become outsiders, and this is with full opportunity to develop independent developments! Malin (for some reason proudly) recalls:

Since 1959, the development of domestic silicon integrated circuits, in fact, was a continuous process of competitive correspondence struggle with Jack Kilby. The concepts of repetition and copying of American technological experience - the methods of the so-called "reverse engineering" of the IEP, were in effect. Prototype samples and production samples of silicon integrated circuits for reproduction were obtained from the USA, and their copying was strictly regulated by orders of the Ministry of Economic Development (Minister Shokin). The concept of copying was tightly controlled by the minister for over 19 years, during which the author worked in the MEP system, until 1974.

Hammering nails into the coffin lid of domestic microelectronics from 1962 to 1974 in the form of the actual theft of American ICs outdated for years does not upset the "leading engineer" in the least.

The first clone manufactured at the Fryazinsky plant according to the NII-35 project was the TS-100 - a complete analogue of the TI SN510 (planar silicon technology). That being said, the release didn't become easy:

... a team of 250 people from the scientific and technological department of NII-35 and an experimental workshop, specially created at the department, worked on solving this problem.

And this is with Osokin's existing and working technology! Unfortunately, the RZPP plant did not have such political weight and such powerful patrons.

Malin was not only close to Shokin, he closely communicated with the Chairman of the military-industrial complex Smirnov, President of the Academy of Sciences Keldysh and Kosygin, who replaced Mikoyan as Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR, who actually ruled the country in parallel with Khrushchev. Naturally, the residents of Riga did not have the slightest chance to develop something in the face of such a heavy competition.

In addition, we did not forget to borrow the SLT-modules, embodied in the famous GIS "Path" series, which was used in the ES EVM until the mid-1970s. Unfortunately, for fans of copying, SLTs appeared after the internship of Soviet specialists in the United States became impossible for political reasons, and Americans would not even dream of selling a living S / 360 mainframe in the USSR in a nightmare. As a result, the engineers accomplished a true feat by copying the GIS, without having the source, literally from photographs. Here is what the first director of the Zelenograd NIITT V.S.Sergeev says about this:

There were no technical materials and literature in this area, we only had a photo of microcircuits manufactured by IBM. The technology of making resistive, conductive and insulating pastes was especially kept in secret abroad. We started all work from scratch: development of design, materials, technology and equipment ...

Already from the first days of the enterprise's existence, in addition to work directly using GIS technology, significant work was carried out on the creation and use of glass, ceramics, polymers, adhesives, insulating materials, galvanic processes, welding, soldering, obtaining precision tools (stamps, molds), chemical milling, multilayer polymer and ceramic boards and many other processes required in the prospects for the development of technology ...

Prototypes were ready by 1964, but production was only started in 1967, and the last known samples date back to ... 1991 (!).

The series consisted of GIS 201LB1 (later K2LB012, element NOT), K201LB4 (two elements NOT and two 2OR-NOT), 201LB5 (later K201LB6 and 201LB7, five elements NOT), 201LS1 (two elements 2OR) and K2NT011 (later K201NT1 and K201NT2 , an assembly of four npn transistors). As a curious mention of this series in today's life - the Unified tariff and qualification reference book of jobs and professions of workers from 2007 (!), The profession “Retoucher of precision photolithography. 4th category ":

Examples of work: Negatives and transparencies of microcircuits of the "Path" type, elimination of all defects.


Domestic so-called functional modules of 1960-1965 - by that time a hopelessly outdated technology. In general, the era of 1955-1965 is characterized by the fact that devices and developments became obsolete almost before they had time to go into production, as a result of attempts to copy American developments in this area were simply and unconditionally murderous. Left - a comparison of the SLT-module, the original from the S / 360 and the domestic one from the EU Ryad-1 (the same series 201 "Trail-1". Pay attention - how much the integration level lagged behind! And this is 1971 (!). By this time, even the original SLTs were considered obsolete, like lamps (photo https://1500py470.livejournal.com/).

Note that the Soviet industry did not bother with saturating the civilian market with microelectronics, from the word at all, it was not about microcircuits - even micro-assemblies were not even pleasing. Many enterprises were forced to master their development and production on their own, for specific products, and this continued not just for a long time, but for a very long time. For example, back in 1993, the Minsk Instrument-Making Plant produced a series of S1-114 / 1 oscilloscopes for GIS of its own design, and these GIS themselves, monstrously, unimaginably outdated, were discontinued only in 2000!


Technologies of 1964 in a domestic device in 2000. S1-114 / 1 oscilloscope, microassemblies and their internals. In the USA, such equipment ceased to be produced around the beginning of the 1970s (photo https://www.drive2.ru)

According to the recollections of people who have nothing to do with military technology, back in the early 90s, at educational and production plants, they were forced to recognize the types of lamps by their characteristic features (there was even a standard - to identify from two meters).

The release of microassemblies was supposed to plug the total shortage of real integrated circuits, which in 99% of cases went to the military industry and diverged to a few research institutes. On microassemblies, they produced high-end household appliances (the lowest on lamps) - for example, "elite" radios "Eaglet", "Cosmos" and "Rubin".

In household appliances, not only components were copied, since the early 1950s it has become a tradition not to waste time on trifles, but to steal the entire product as a whole, provided that our level of technology allowed copying it. For example, in 1954, the astounding Zvezda-54 radio was introduced. The media described this event as a huge Soviet breakthrough in design design and the latest fashion, in fact, it was an absolute copy of the French Excelsior-52. It is not exactly established how the prototype got to the IRPA (Institute of Radio Broadcasting and Acoustics). According to some reports, it was brought by diplomats, according to others, it was specially purchased for copying.

There was also a problem with transistor receivers - one of the first Soviet ones, "Leningrad", was created on the basis of the 1000 Trans-Oceanic Royal-1957 produced by the American company Zenith, while it was produced in a small series, and the assembly was manual.


In the Fallout game, the general style refers to the so-called atompunk - a fantastic version of an alternative stories, in which semiconductors were not discovered, as a result, plasma rifles of the XXII century coexist there with monstrous tube machines of the 1950s. This filmstrip, already in 1972, immerses the student in Soviet transistorpunk - a world in which integration never happened, and not even GIS is considered the pinnacle of technology, but the very first micromodules, the heirs of Tinkertoy. Most strikingly, this technology was promoted as cutting edge in 1972. Fortunately, most of these monsters remained in the filmstrips.

And finally, among the widespread myths, one can also mention the fact that supposedly the first functionally complete product of consumer microelectronics in the world was the very Soviet radio receiver "Micro" - the first product produced by Zelenograd in 1964.

Moreover, there are persistent rumors that Khrushchev gave away these receivers to the leaders of foreign states, and they, in shock, spoke in the spirit of "how the USSR was able to overtake us." In fact, from the integrated technology in "Micro" there was only a sputtered board, the semiconductors were discrete. Six layers of different materials were applied to the sitall board through special stencils, forming only passive parts (moreover, only capacitive ones). The transistors in the receiver were ordinary discrete ones and simply soldered on the board, which is clearly visible on the opened device.

As a result, instead of the mythical "world's first film ICs" we get a conventional printed circuit board, just not traditionally etched, but with vacuum deposition and in several layers - no miracles. Receivers based on discrete transistors by 1965 in the United States were produced in dozens of types (since 1956 - one of the first in the world was the Admiral Transistor) for several years, and obviously they could not hit anyone (there were also a huge number of them in Japan and Europe).

The most characteristic of that era is a unique document, one of the few that has survived and is widely available - "Recommendations for the creation of nodes and blocks on solid diagrams", issued for one of the Voronezh research institutes in 1964 within the framework of a certain "order 1168":

... The composition of the components and their parameters for the three basic crystals 51, 52 and 53 of the Texas Instruments firm, the analogs of which are scheduled for reproduction in the USSR: the components of the basic crystal of the 51st series ... transistor A417 or A400B (analogue 2N706A, 2N582), diode B14A or B14B (analogue 1N914) ...

Next is a large table of microcircuit parameters for which possible reproduction is being considered - almost everything is planned to be stolen, from the Fairchild MA704 video amplifier and the Westinghouse WM1110 two-stage Darlington circuit to the Motorola MK302G trigger and the 2OR-NOT Sylvania SNG2 logic gate! This is followed by about 10 pages of schematic diagrams and descriptions of the TI SN5xx series, complete with IC design guidelines.

As a result of the application of these ingenious methods for the development of domestic electronics by 1970, there were no original developments left in the country, except for Osokin's germanium IC - everything that could be copied: from huge basic matrix crystals to insignificant shift registers.

It's also funny that the primitive hybrid film technology was extremely popular in the USSR even when the rest of the world had already switched to IP for a long time. The fact is that at the Soviet level of technological development it was very difficult to produce schemes of at least medium integration, as a result, civilian products were assembled on monsters such as the 230th series. These are real ICs, only made, rather, as a "macrocircuit": a hybrid design, multilayer thick-film technology, each containing up to 40 logical elements of the TTL type, forming either counters, or registers, or balancing devices.

The design of the series is very unusual - a multilayer breakout board with a regular structure and internal flip-chip mounting. Monsters of the K2IE301B type (a primitive four-digit counter, but larger than a matchbox) were produced in our country until the 1990s, but now they are the subject of the hunt of collectors of microcircuits around the world, like fossil mammoth bones.

The level of Russian microelectronics of those years is well characterized by not enthusiastic memories of patriots based on myths in the style of the book "50 years of Soviet microelectronics":

Only about 20 years have passed since the first ICs appeared, and the results have been fantastic ...

And quite objective (since for the top management making strategic decisions on the basis of these papers) the recently declassified CIA reports on the analysis of the domestic industry (USSR seeks to build advanced Semiconductor Industry with embargoed western machinery). One of the reports, prepared in 1972, devoted to the Union's achievements in the manufacture of integrated circuits, was declassified in 1999 and later published in the agency's online library. Here are some excerpts from it:

… Laboratory analysis of available samples in the USA revealed that their design is rather primitive, and the quality is generally poor. The samples are clearly inferior to their counterparts made in the USA. Even the 1971 products with factory markings seem to be prototypes ... Nothing is known about the availability of commercial equipment in the USSR that would use integrated circuits ... If the Union created a large-scale and viable microcircuit industry, then its interest is also puzzling to large purchases of equipment and technologies from the West for the production of these products ... The USSR received planar silicon technology too late and due to constant difficulties with the production of the initial silicon material in sufficient quantities, the production of microcircuits in the Union still began quite recently and in very small volumes ... In 1968, the Union offered processed silicon for sale in Europe, however, the companies that bought it complained about the poor quality of this material.

A CIA agent (his name is removed from the report), who visited the plant in Bryansk, wrote:

… Production technologies are 5-10 years behind those used in the USA. Western equipment is widely used in the factory. Some of the products in final testing appear to carry the trademark of a major US integrated circuit manufacturer, although the agent was not able to examine these samples up close to confirm this suspicion.

The production volumes at the plant in Leningrad were assessed as significantly lower than in Bryansk. The same or another US intelligence agent who visited the Svetlana plant in 1972 cited less than 100 RF transistors per month and noted that the plant also uses some Western equipment.

The report also notes that the productivity of products manufactured at this plant is lower than the one declared by the USSR for this type of integrated circuits three years ago. As a result of his visit to the Voronezh plant, the agent noted the presence of a large number of diffusion furnaces on this site - about 80 pieces, however, only about 20 of them were actually used at the time of his visit. At the same time, there were not many installations for wire thermocompression welding at the plant. For comparison, in 1971 more than 400 million ICs were produced in the United States, the CIA cites data.

At the same time, the famous Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls (CoCom), created in 1949 and declassified in 1953, designed to control the circulation of dangerous technologies, was supposed to prevent the Soviet threat to the world, effectively limiting military potential USSR, depriving it of access to all new technologies that could be used for military purposes. But we remember that the USSR had practically no goals, except for the military, and everything that it developed was 17% in the military-industrial complex, respectively, CoKom blocked its access to almost all advanced world technology.

Surprisingly, this worked extremely effectively - for example, we could neither buy nor steal a real CDC 7600 (it was a sin to replace it with BESM-6), and we could not get a live Cray-1 (which in the future was planned to be released as BESM-10).

But the real problem was different - from the beginning of the 1960s we got used to copying Western ICs, and for this it was vital to copy their production lines. It was here that an ambush awaited us - for Zelenograd, as we remember, we managed to buy something else from the Japanese, Finns and Swiss (not even for currency, but directly for gold), but since the mid-1960s this flow began to rapidly dry up. Almost no company - a manufacturer of precision equipment for photolithography, wanted to fall under the sanctions of 17 states at once, risking the loss of an entire business for the sake of an insignificant profit in the USSR, especially since a complete production line with materials and documentation is a non-trivial object for smuggling.

As a result, without machine tools, there is no IP, and we had only three ways, each with its own pitfalls - to work until the end of the 1980s on equipment of 1963 (they did it), try to develop our own (for a long time and not always successfully) or get at least something through neutral countries such as Switzerland. The last river quickly dried up to a creek, although, for example, in the late 1980s it turned out that the Toshiba Machine Company from 1982 to 1984, bypassing the bans, had illegally supplied the USSR with equipment for precision processing of submarine propellers. If it had not been for the collapse of the Soviets and the softening of the Committee's policy, this story could have ended very sadly for her.

After this, the passages of the Russian electronics historian, repeatedly mentioned in these articles, Boris Malashevich, are seen as some kind of perverted irony:

Then there were three countries in the world that made, say, photolithographic equipment: the USA, Japan and the Soviet Union. This is the most precision equipment among all technical devices: the level of technology in microelectronics depends on the level of photolithography ... It must be remembered that despite all the problems our country experienced, only the Soviet Union had the only self-sufficient electronics in the world. In which everything had its own and which itself produced the entire range of electronic products from radio tubes to VLSI. And she had her own materials science, her own mechanical engineering - everything was her own.

In general, everything became clear with the chips.

Now it remains for us to talk about Soviet microprocessors and safely complete the topic of the development of Soviet microelectronics.

Evolution


To understand the further text, we will mention that microprocessors have evolved in the following way.

The first generation of microcircuits, developed in 1962-1963, were small-scale chips. This meant that each microcircuit contained only the most basic logic gates - 2I-NOT elements, for example.

Any processor (we emphasize that it is not necessarily a microprocessor!) Contains three main components (naturally, in modern chips these are far from such elementary units as in the 1960s; now, for example, an ALU is understood as an integral element with registers of its own firmware, etc.).

The first is an arithmetic logic unit or ALU, designed to perform (usually) just a few basic operations - addition and logical AND, OR, NOT. Traditional ALUs did not contain hardware subtraction circuits, and they were not needed, subtraction is replaced, as a rule, by addition with a negative number. Naturally, ALUs did not contain blocks of hardware multiplication, division, vector and matrix operations. ALU also worked only with integers, before the adoption of the IEEE 754 - 1985 standard there were still 20 years left, so absolutely every computer manufacturer implemented real arithmetic independently, to the extent of its perversity.

If you were programmers in the sixties, then real arithmetic could drive you crazy. There was no single standard for the representation of numbers, or for rounding, or for operations with them, as a result, the programs were practically unportable. In addition, different machines had their own oddities in the realizations of real numbers, and they definitely had to be known and taken into account. On some platforms, certain numbers were zeros for comparison, but not for addition and subtraction, as a result, for a safe operation, they had to first be multiplied by 1.0 and then compared to zero.

On other platforms, the same trick caused an immediate undocumented overrun error, even though there was no real overrun. Some computers, when trying to perform such an operation, discarded the last 4 significant bits, most of the machines returned a zero result for the difference between X and Y, if X and Y were small, even if they were not equal, and some could suddenly get zero, even in the case of a huge the difference between them, if only one number was close to zero. As a result, the operations "X = Y" and "X - Y = 0" collided and led to surprising errors. On Cray supercomputers, for example, to avoid this, before each multiplication and division, a reassignment "X = (X - X) + X" was done. The anarchy among real arithmetic continued until 1985, when the modern floating point standard was finally adopted.

The second important component of the processor was registers, which were supposed to store the numbers being processed and perform shift operations on them.

Finally, the third most important component was a control device - a decoder of machine instructions coming from RAM, initiating the execution of certain ALU functions over the numbers in the registers.

Control devices differed in complexity, bit width and types of instructions that they could decode, the more complex and slower the UU was, the easier and more convenient it was to write code, since it could support a wide variety of complex commands, making life easier for programmers. UU usually had a separate firmware, in which there was a list of supported commands, and it was possible, within certain limits, to change the processor's capabilities by changing chips with this firmware, this concept was called microprogramming. The contents of the firmware formed the command system of this processor, it is obvious that the command systems of different machines were incompatible with each other.

In the case of low integration, all these components were implemented, as a rule, on several boards, and the processor was a box containing dozens of such boards with several hundred microcircuits. However, already in 1964, chips of medium integration appeared, the Texas Instruments SN7400 series. In 1970, the first full-fledged ALU appeared in the line, a 4-bit 74181 microcircuit, which could be connected in parallel, obtaining 8, 16 and even 32-bit computers (the so-called bit-slice ALU).

Medium integration chips contained several hundred transistors, in contrast to several dozen in the previous generation. TI SN74181 found wide application and became one of the most famous chips in history, in particular, it was on it that processors of early Data General NOVA computers and some DEC PDP-11 series were assembled (they also assembled peripheral processors for them, for example, KMC11, and their implementation of real arithmetic - the famous FPP-12), Xerox Alto, from which Steve Jobs ripped off the idea of ​​a mouse and a graphical interface, the first DEC VAX (model VAX-11/780), Wang 2200, Texas Instruments TI-990, Honeywell option 1100 Is a scientific coprocessor for their H200 / H2000 mainframes and many other machines.

Chips of medium integration, due to their incredible cheapness and simplicity, held out on the market until the 1980s, even when microprocessor systems already appeared. To assemble a processor, they usually required 1-2 boards and several dozen microcircuits.

In the late 1960s, the progress of photolithography reached the level of several thousand logic gates per chip, and large integration schemes appeared. They usually included an ALU with all the harness and registers, making it possible to assemble a processor from just 2-10 chips. The so-called BSP (bit-slice processor, the term does not have an established translation, they usually say "sectional") became a separate type of (now forgotten) chips of large integration.

The idea behind the BSP was to connect in parallel powerful chips containing all the necessary components (only the UU was made separately), and thus to collect a long processor from small-bit microcircuits (there were variants up to 64 bits!). BSPs were produced by many, including National Semiconductor (IMP, 1973), Intel (3000, 1974), AMD (Am2900, 1975), Texas Instruments (SBP0400, 1975), Signetics (8X02, 1977), Motorola (M10800, 1979) and many others. The pinnacle of development was the 16-bit AMD Am29100 and Synopsys 49C402, produced until the mid-1980s, and the monstrous 32-bit AMD Am29300, released in 1985.


Central processor board from an unidentified American computer of the 1970s, non-standard 14-bit processor typed on 7 double-bit BSP Sygnetics N3002 (licensed copy of Intel 3002), photo from the author's collection

BSP has three very significant benefits.

The first is that ALUs can be used in horizontal configurations to build computers that can process very large data in a single clock cycle.

The second advantage of the BSP is that the dual-chip design allowed for ECL logic, which is very fast but takes up a lot of space and dissipates a lot of heat. Early MOS chips, such as PMOS or NMOS, were originally thought of as processors for calculators and terminals, because their speed was significantly inferior to ECL logic, only it was believed to be suitable for creating serious computers. Only after the invention of CMOS processors acquired the look they have now, before that sectional ECL chips ruled the show. Before CMOS, it was believed that it was generally impossible to create a single-chip processor with acceptable performance.

The third advantage of BSPs was the ability to create custom instruction sets, which could be created to emulate or enhance existing processors such as the 6502 or 8080, or to create a unique instruction set specifically tailored to maximize the performance of a particular application. The combination of speed and flexibility has made BSP a very popular architecture.

The father of the microprocessor


Finally, let's talk about who created the first microprocessor.

In the short period of time between 1968 and 1971, several candidates for his role were presented, most of them long forgotten. In fact, the idea of ​​creating a microprocessor was nowhere near as revolutionary as the transistor or even the planar process. It literally hovered in the air, and for three years a huge number of developers one way or another approached a single-chip implementation of a computer.

Strictly speaking, the question "who invented the microprocessor" does not make sense, except for a purely legal one. In the late 1960s, it was obvious that the processor would eventually be housed on a single chip, and it was only a matter of time before the density of MOS chips was increased to the point where it was practical. In fact, the microprocessor was not a revolution, it just came at a time when MOS improvements and marketing needs made it worthwhile.

The birth of the Soviet missile defense system. Attack of the clones

A variety of rare ICs of great integration of 1980s American military computers, first row -
IDT 49C402 (16-bit CMOS BSP), AMD Am29050 (32-bit RISC processor of Harvard architecture), Weitek 3332-100-GCD (32-bit IEEE real coprocessor), second row Texas Instruments TMS390C602A (32-bit real SPARC coprocessor for hardware division and square root extraction, such chips were used back in 1991-1993), Texas Instruments SIM74ACT8847 (64-bit (!) real / integer coprocessor, 1988, to assemble a computer on it, 5 more microcircuits were needed), Texas Instruments TPCX1280 (prototype of an aerospace radiation FPGA with 8000 valves, mid-1980s). Photo from the collection of the author.

There is no official definition of a microprocessor.

Various sources describe it ranging from a single chip to a multi-chip ALU. Basically, microprocessor is a marketing term driven by the need for Intel and Texas Instruments to label their new products.

If it were necessary to pick one father of the microprocessor concept, Lee Boysel would be. While working at Fairchild, he came up with the idea of ​​a computer based on a MOS circuit, as well as existing components - ROM (invented in 1966) and DRAM (originated in 1968). As a result, he first published several influential articles on MOS chips, as well as a 1967 manifesto explaining how MOS could be used to build a computer comparable to the IBM 360.

Boisell left Fairchild and in October 1968 founded Four-Phase Systems to build his MOS system, in 1970 he demonstrated System / IV, a powerful 24-bit computer. The processor used 9 microcircuits: three 8-bit ALU AL1, three ROMs for microcode and three microcircuits of a control device built on irregular logic (random logic (RL) - a method of implementing combinatorial circuits by synthesis according to a high-level description, and, since the synthesis occurs automatically , then the arrangement of elements and their compounds, at first glance, seems arbitrary, almost all modern control devices are synthesized by the RL method). The chipset sold very well, and Four-Phase made it to the Fortune 1000 before Motorola was taken over in 1981. However, AL1 could not operate in single-chip mode and needed an external control unit and ROM with microcode.


A very rare thing - on top, unfortunately, is an incomplete Four-Phase System / IV microprocessor set (1969), below - an equally rare first Intel 8008 microprocessor, developed in parallel with the 4004 for the Datapoint 2200 terminal (1971). Photo from the collection of the author.

Another almost forgotten company was Viatron, founded in 1967, and already in 1968 they introduced their System 21, 16-bit on custom MOS chips. Unfortunately, the contractors let them down with the quality of the chips, and in 1971 Viatron went bankrupt.

Viatron literally coined the term "microprocessor" - they used it in their announcement back in 1968, but it wasn't a single chip, that's what they called the entire terminal. Inside the microprocessor case were a bunch of boards - the processor itself consisted of 18 custom MOS chips on 3 boards.

Ray Holt, already known to us, designed the familiar F-14 CADC in 1968-1970 for the US Air Force. Thanks to later public relations, many consider him the father of microprocessor technology, but the CADC consisted of 4 separate chips of a very original architecture.

Finally, the last 3 candidates are true SoCs.

In 1969, Datapoint entered into a contract with Intel to develop a single-chip version of their processor for the Datapoint 2200 terminal, which took up an entire board. It's funny that the founder of the company Gus Roche, their engineer Jack Frassanito and Intel specialist Stanley Mazor proposed this idea to Robert Noyce, the founder of Intel, but he first abandoned it, because he did not see broad commercial prospects.

At almost the same time, a small Japanese company, Nippon Calculating Machine Ltd, turned to Intel to develop 12 new calculator microcircuits. Another Intel engineer Edward Hoff (Marcian Edward Ted Hoff Jr.), similar to Stan, comes to the idea of ​​replacing them with one crystal. As a result, the two of them begin to lead both projects: a larger chip - Intel 8008, and a smaller one - Intel 4004.

Hearing about the project, the ubiquitous Texas Instruments turns to Datapoint and tempts them by offering to participate in the development. Datapoint provides them with the specifications, and they manufacture the third version of the real microprocessor - the TI TMX 1795. True, there was not much independence here, to the extent that the chip repeated an early Intel error with interrupt handling.

At this point, Datapoint invents a switching power supply, which leads to a dramatic decrease in power consumption and heating of their terminal, and revokes their contract. Intel freezes development for several months, while TI continues, as a result, their announcement took place a little earlier than the commercial release of Intel 4004, which formally makes it the first microprocessor in history.

The impudent TI continued to sue (as in the situation with the first integrated circuit) with everyone with whom it was possible, right up to 1995, when the cunning Lee Boysel convinced the court that he had invented the first processor and that Texas Instruments' patents had been canceled. The further history is known to everyone - chips from TI were practically not sold, while Intel completed both processors: both large and small, and thus laid the foundations of its fame and fortune for decades to come.

It is amazing that, as in the case of Osokin, the USSR also developed its own, completely independent version of the microprocessor, which very few people know about! In the original version, however, it was a three-chip BSP, but the work was completed in 1976, it was not too late, and no one bothered to upgrade it to a full-fledged single-chip architecture.

As a result, as always, in the field of purely engineering priorities, as in the case of transistors and microcircuits, we went almost on a par with the West and demonstrated a high scientific level of development, but their implementation was ultimately a nightmare.

The first domestic microprocessor did not take off because of who was its godfather - none other than Davlet Gireevich Yuditsky! It seems that Shokin and Kalmykov hated everyone who was engaged in at least something original: Kartsev, Staros, Yuditsky - and purposefully pressed all their developments.

How did Yuditsky, the father of modular supercomputers, come to develop a processor?

We will talk about this in the following parts, we will only note here that at the beginning of 1973, he, at that time director of the Zelenograd Specialized Exhibition Center, assembled a compact working group to develop the architecture of a new mini-computer (not based on DEC and HP machines, like a SM computer ) - "Electronics-NTs", modular and quite original. In the same year, Yuditsky instructed the youth team of V.L.Dshkhunyan's laboratory to work on the development of approaches to the construction of microprocessors - the first in the USSR.

After analyzing what was produced in the West, they chose BSP as a basis and in 1976 they created a 587 series processor on three chips - IK1, IK2, IK3, one of the few that do not have a direct Western counterpart (now their very first release is also the ultimate dream of many collectors). Later, this series developed into 588 (5 chips), and in the early 1980s, specialists from the SVC wanted to finally implement it in a single-chip design, but at the request of the Shoki Ministry of Electronics Industry, the original architecture was abandoned in favor of the PDP-11.

The rest of the developers did not stand aside, VNIIEM purchased Intel 8080 chips, all peripherals, an Intel Intellec-800 development kit for this architecture and enthusiastically engaged in reverse engineering. The 1974 processor was disassembled until 1978 and in the late 1970s was launched as the 580IK80.

From that moment, the era of copying microprocessors began. Contrary to popular belief, the Soviets stole not only three Intel chips (8080, 8085, 8086), the famous DEC LSI-11, embodied in our dozen of forms, and the Zilog Z80. In the USSR, many analogs of all types of processors were produced.


The only processor from this list not stolen, but reproduced under license - 1876ВМ1, Angstrem plant, 1990. Produced (and described for some reason as its own development, although the MIPS consortium provided all the specifications and documents for this architecture), is still as a "32-bit RISC 14 MHz processor", despite the fact that its prototype - the original R3000 worked on 40 MHz back in 1988. In 1999 at NIISI it was overclocked to 33 MHz and released as 1890VM1T "Komdiv" - "the latest domestic development". A slightly more progressive 120 MHz radiation resistant 1892ВМ5Я was assembled on the basis of a slightly less ancient MIPS R4000 + DSP on FPGA (!) Manufactured by Elvis.

Hack and predictor Aviator


Let's sum up.

This table does not cover even 1/10 of all clones, also some of these chips were produced in extremely limited editions (for example, the price of 1810ВМ87 in good condition easily reaches from collectors up to $ 200-300, they are so rare), many were produced only in the CMEA countries (Bulgaria and others) - in the USSR itself, the level of production was too low.

In the Intel lineup, the 8088, 80186 and 80188 processors were skipped, the last two - due to their low prevalence in general, 80286 with the Soviet culture of production was not mastered at all, it was copied and released in extremely small circulation only in the GDR (at least, the author did not succeed find a mythical copy of the purely Soviet KR1847VM286 in any more or less serious processor collection in the world).

The 8086 processor was released about the year the 80386 appeared in the US and was the last of the Soviet clones.

Now we are armed with all the necessary knowledge in order to meet again our hero - Davlet Yuditsky, who was just heading to Zelenograd to develop microcircuits for his upcoming missile defense supercomputer. The story will be about him in the next issue.
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  1. +12
    18 July 2021 06: 01
    The article is good, the topic is very sad.
    Another quote from a conversation with Boris Malashevich:

    “In other words, in the first years of its existence, domestic microelectronics generally corresponded to the world level. However, its golden age, when microelectronics engineers could create independently and use all their potential capabilities, did not last long. It ended somewhere in the mid-1970s.
    - Почему?
    - There are many reasons for this, but I would classify the following two as the main ones. First, the prevailing policy and practice of reproduction of foreign samples by that time, deliberately programming a lag, - this was not so much the enthusiasts of electronics engineers, but of hardware developers and the military, who did not trust our developers. Secondly, departmental disunity, which led to the fact that other sectors of the national economy refused to develop and produce materials and special equipment for the electronics industry with the appropriate characteristics in terms of purity and accuracy. "
    Are the military to blame? If heads of departments cannot understand the potential of their own developments ..
    There is also a thought. Microelectronics is a very resource-intensive area. And to create your own element base with a limited area of ​​application - no economy will survive. And another problem. If you have 100 scientists, and there are 1000 in the whole world, you will lag behind. Here is the "Iron Curtain" and the limitations of COCOM.
    Maybe A.I. Shokin understood this perfectly and made such decisions. Hoped that the development of copied samples would lead to a breakthrough. With tanks it turned out ... But microcircuits are not tanks ...
    1. +4
      18 July 2021 08: 10
      Quote: tasha
      Are the military to blame?

      Yes Boh with you!
      Until the end of the 90s, there were only a few of them who could be called users of devices built on the basis of "El-ki-60", but at the same time they had no idea of ​​what "digital" is in military practice, but they were professionals Air defense and missile defense already had some devices for digital processing of an analog signal, and the Academy of Sciences of the USSR worked very actively on these topics.
    2. +10
      18 July 2021 08: 26
      Quote: tasha
      Maybe A.I. Shokin understood this perfectly and made such decisions. Hoped that the development of copied samples would lead to a breakthrough. With tanks it turned out ... But microcircuits are not tanks.

      The copying of microcircuits was worked out technologically and put on stream. If a crystal (chip) got to be copied, then no later than six months a set of photomasks and a technological map for the manufacture of such a chip got into production. In the early 80s, the "lag" in production was no more than 2 years !!! Technological equipment was also copied, and at the same rate. I have personally participated in some of these developments. And in terms of plasma chemistry installations, and deposition of layers. Then the lag in technological capabilities was negligible. The disaster began in 91. They just stopped funding the WHOLE microelectronics complex. Plants, research institutes just STOPPED! And many developers have grown up on copying, not at all of a small level. After the funding was stopped, a lot of specialists were sucked into Silicon Valley like a vacuum cleaner, because there was nowhere to work for them, and others were better at trading on the market ... It all happened before my eyes, at that time I lived in Zelenograd and worked.
      1. +6
        18 July 2021 09: 14
        Then the lag in terms of technological capabilities was scanty. The disaster began in the 91st
        I cannot agree with you. In order not to write in my own words, I will quote once again: “But in the late 1970s, Soviet electronics, as I said, began to enter a crisis. New materials were required, a radical change of equipment, that is, large capital investments were required. In 1978 he prepared a program for the rearmament and further development of microelectronics and a draft of the corresponding resolution of the Central Committee of the CPSU, but the 80 Olympics in Moscow was approaching, and it turned out to be more important for the country's leadership - there was not enough money for everything.

        They say that at a meeting of the Politburo, Grishin, the first secretary of the Moscow City Committee of the CPSU, spoke out against the resolution. The decree was signed several years later in a substantially curtailed and emasculated form. From that moment on, the already progressive backwardness of domestic microelectronics and the entire economy began, aggravated by subsequent reforms in the country to a catastrophic one. And it continues to this day. "
        If a crystal (chip) got to be copied, then no later than six months the set got into production
        Serial chip! Already in mass production. Until it gets to us, until you copy it in Zelenograd, until the documentation is ready for it, until the schemes are created for it ...
        1. +7
          18 July 2021 10: 12
          Quote: tasha
          Serial chip! Already in mass production. Until it gets to us, while you copy it in Zelenograd, until the documentation is ready for it, until the schemes are created for it

          I wrote - six months later. And the copy centers were not in Zelenograd, or rather, not only in Zelenograd. But also in Voronezh, Kiev, Minsk, Leningrad, Bryansk ... In Minsk there were KBTM, which mastered the production of projection photolithography installations. The quotes that you are citing are from the 90s, when the truth about the party leadership was IMPOSSIBLE to write, only negative!
          Everybody had problems in the production and development of chips. Both in the USSR and in the USA. And materials for microelectronics were produced. The problem in the USSR was, in my opinion, that everything was classified through and through! And these products did not go into civilian circulation. Accordingly, the profit did not go to the national economy. As a stream of resources poured into a black hole ... And disappeared. No recoil.
          1. +4
            18 July 2021 10: 50
            In many ways I agree, but a lot got into the civil sector, my equipment was partially on domestic sectional processors, I don't remember the series exactly, but like 1800 (?), Centipedes. So, the reliability of the same sectional processors, ALUs and other things, was phenomenal, for hundreds or even a thousand cases, not a single one that was unusable for many years. But the plant "Svetlana" is something, it alone has done so many troubles, as much as two KOCOM committees could not. And the backlog was at the beginning of the 90s very solid, for ten years, at least, it was possible to exist on domestic components, but soon there were administrative bans on the use of domestic technology and naturally everything got up and was destroyed.
          2. +1
            18 July 2021 12: 02
            I wrote - six months later.
            This is just a copying process.

            Eugene, you and your colleagues honestly did their job. But, you were engaged in - copying. This requires completely different knowledge, skills and tools.
            "Progress in the development and technology of integrated microcircuits was built not on the economic interests of enterprises, but on the administrative command principle, everything depended on the amount of funds allocated by earmarking from the state budget."
            In 1990, the volume of microcircuit production in the USSR was 1% of the American one.
            1. +4
              18 July 2021 14: 01
              Just for microcircuits in the late USSR, the lag was small, do not exaggerate. The situation was worse with data storage devices, with disks, and it was on them that COCOM's restrictions were directed.
              1. +3
                18 July 2021 15: 29
                Sergei Alexandrovich, I'm not exaggerating. And if it does, it’s not on purpose.
                By the way, the 1800 series you mentioned is analogous to the 108xx and 109xx series from Motorola. Well, okay. As user Werner Holt wrote in the comments to a previous article on this topic:
                ALL "fought" from each other and did not "complain", because they understood well that today the idea and technology were "stolen" from you, and tomorrow (LITERALLY TOMORROW ...) YOU WILL HAVE to do the same. Otherwise, you will fly into the pipe ... "
                But we only "fought", that is, took the position of a deliberately lagging behind.
                You wrote about the drives correctly. And not only about them. I remember how I was somewhat ... shocked when I saw the first board with printed wiring elements on a bourgeois hard drive, I don’t remember what capacity. And literally a month before that, I was dismantling a hard drive from an EU series, like, making a stand for students .. Yeah.
                1. +3
                  18 July 2021 16: 07
                  After the collapse of the USSR, the Americans immediately climbed into Kiev and banned the supply of microcircuits from there. That is, the electronics industry did not work so badly, since they began to smash it so zealously.
                  Himself then scolded our electronics, but if I knew what kind of shit would replace it, I would have been much more restrained.
                  I apologize for the rudeness, the French from the Marta concern wanted to make the frogs live, for their electronics, if they got caught in a hot hand.
            2. +3
              18 July 2021 22: 54
              Quote: tasha
              Eugene, you and your colleagues honestly did their job. But, you were engaged in - copying. This requires completely different knowledge, skills and tools.

              Not! To make a microcircuit, you need to OWN the technology. If you own the technology, you ONLY need to get the topology, analyze it and release a set of photomasks. This is the advantage of the planar technology. Therefore, the knowledge and skills and tools are exactly the same!
              1. +2
                19 July 2021 09: 12
                No, no, no. You know better..
                The ixbt forum has a whole section about the history of domestic microcircuits. Very interesting, read it if you have time. And there is about Zelenograd, maybe you will find about yourself.
                https://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=64:2829

                On the first page I came across: "If you're interested, look for the legendary decree of the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions, if I remember correctly, about the futility of their own developments in computer technology." belay
                Somehow I'm surprised, is this a myth? Have you heard anything?
            3. 0
              18 July 2021 23: 04
              And how many manufacturers were there in the USSR? .. And in the same USA, including foreign "branches" of American firms? .. After all, their products were counted as "manufactured by the USA" ...

              In short, the USSR, produced and continuously updated by its nomenclature, "covered" the needs for microelectronic products for almost a "seventh part" of the land. And "+ to that" a significant part of the socialist countries. And far from the most "underdeveloped" ...

              For example, the same nomenclature of the Riga software "Alpha" was produced by 4 - 5 American firms. Moreover, THEY, BEGINNING, "grew and stood on their feet", thanks to their work for the interests of the Pentagon and the American military-industrial complex ...

              How much does it "cost" to build, "one more" so-called? "microelectronic" plant for modern technologies? .. To "equally" satisfy the needs of the so-called. "civil sector"? ..
              And was this Soviet "civilian user" ready THEN TO PAY so that, in a PRIORITY order, the nomenclature series produced for the needs of defense and industry was also produced for the civilian user "? ..

              For the umpteenth time I remind you that the SSR lived ON THE MEANS and on the EARNED money. And not "invested" at the expense of the "printing press", like the States ...
              1. +3
                19 July 2021 05: 24
                In short, the USSR, produced and continuously updated by its nomenclature, "covered" the needs for microelectronic products for almost a "seventh part" of the land. And "+ to that" a significant part of the socialist countries. And far from the most "underdeveloped" ...
                At our school we had 1 (one) computer Radio-RK 86, and that was the teacher's personal computer.
                "And was this Soviet" civilian user "ready THEN TO PAY so that, in a PRIORITY order, the nomenclature series produced for the needs of defense and industry was also produced for the civilian user"? .. "
                In 1985, Soviet citizens had 320 billion rubles in deposits, cash and securities. Commodity stocks - 98 billion rubles.
                "For the umpteenth time, I remind you that the SSR lived ON THE MEANS and on the EARNED money."
                Maybe so. And in 1990 he accumulated 60 thousand tanks. And he could not stop production ...
                1. -1
                  19 July 2021 12: 34
                  Well yes. It began ... We started using "personal examples" ...

                  So ...

                  1. In the aforementioned "1985" SEPARATE factories for the so-called. "civilian products" have already STARTED to build. And, by no means, at the expense of "population deposits". An example for you? ..

                  And the plant "Mitran", the same famous "Shokin" Riga "Alpha". And local personnel attracted, providing them with a good salary and highly qualified work (that is, solving a social problem) and capacity, for the future need for the so-called. "civilian products" were foreseen. And high-quality TECHNOLOGICAL support of the newly built enterprise from the head enterprise was provided ... And the technological personnel and craftsmen involved from the head enterprise were built QUALITY HOUSING at the location of the new plant ..

                  By the way, the next "Alfa" construction HAS ALREADY STARTED in ... the distant Arctic. In the village of Umba ... And very well-trained, technically well-trained, future "storekeepers" - officers, their wives, who are being transferred to the reserve, were provided with highly qualified, stable, well-paid jobs for the long term. As well as QUALITATIVE technological support from the Riga headquarters.

                  Everything, as they say, "was covered with a copper basin" in the process of the so-called. "restructuring". Chatting about "democracy", "innocently repressed peoples" (ie, collaborators ...) and "denouncing" the notorious "Stalinism", to all the Gorbachevs, Yakovlevs, Yeltsins and other Gaidars, turned out to be much easier than engaging in a PRACTICAL ORGANIZATION modernization of the economy

                  2. Do you think that you can clearly argue the thesis about the "obvious uselessness" of the USSR 60 thousand tanks by 1990 ...? .. And that it was "wasted money"? .. I strongly doubt it ...

                  The USSR was not preparing for the defense "for fun." And how long does a tank live on the battlefield in a "big" war? .. And how long will tank (and other) production facilities "live" if such a war starts? ..

                  Although, the European NATO members, who were afraid of these Soviet tanks to the point of trembling in their knees, would definitely agree with you ...

                  By the way, by that time, the USSR and MiG-govs 31 had "accumulated in excess" ... And today, they are a platform for the unique "Dagger" ...
                  1. +2
                    19 July 2021 13: 12
                    Dear Werner Holt. Let's not break stools. You and I, it seems, do not understand each other. You write: “And, by no means, at the expense of“ deposits of the population. ”And I cite figures on the deposits of the population to show that there was money. That is, there was a huge market for Soviet electronics. But, alas ...

                    On the tanks: "And that it was" wasted money "". Yes, it was wasted money. Half of the world is littered with fragments of Soviet weapons. And the trouble was that it was impossible to stop production at tank factories. Because the resources were included in the plan.

                    I am still reading a forum about the history of Soviet microcircuits.
                    https://forum.ixbt.com/topic.cgi?id=64:2829
                    You, I think, will also be very interesting. Then, perhaps, we will discuss. Moreover, the author has not stopped yet. Yours faithfully...
                    1. 0
                      19 July 2021 13: 55
                      And I explain to you, dear Mikhail, that it was possible to saturate this market ONLY and EXCLUSIVELY for the construction of NEW production facilities. Those. construction of new factories for the admission of "civil" microelectronics. At the expense of the STATE BUDGET ... Which the USSR, unlike the United States, formed not at the expense of the "printing press", which produced the oceans of NOT PROVIDED "green". And the time we are discussing, it was already EXACTLY NOT ONE YEAR ...

                      Also VERY EXPENSIVE factories, but still NOT SO EXPENSIVE as those producing products with higher levels of "acceptance" ...

                      By the way, the difference in cost, products on the "same" crystal, for "military" and "commercial" products in the United States was an order of magnitude. And in the USSR, there was hardly a double ...

                      But the COST OF PROVIDING A TECHNOLOGICAL PROCESS OF QUALITATIVE PRODUCTION EVERYWHERE in the WORLD is practically the same ...
            4. +1
              18 July 2021 23: 16
              Well, first of all, not just copying. And secondly, even for copying, you need the developer's knowledge ...

              By the way, the designers-developers of missile weapons, and in the USA and the Soviet Korolev, at the INITIAL stage, COPIED the designs and technologies of the German "FAU". And what, we, like the author, will accuse them of "inertness" of thinking and attempts to "imitate"? ..

              But THIS IS NORMAL for ANY COUNTRY mastering a NEW SCIENTIFIC AND TECHNICAL DIRECTION path. By the way, the modern Celestial Empire, which has become the "second economy" of the world, has been following THIS WAY for almost THIRTY years.

              And for me it is "as clear as a simple scale" ...

              This I, in vain, quoted Salieri. And the author, all throughout the fourth or fifth article, is indignant at this. This means that either it is banally anti-Soviet-ostentatious, or, having simply “read a lot”, the glades have not “cut through” ...
      2. +6
        18 July 2021 09: 55
        The disaster began a little earlier. Chips 555 series of the Leningrad plant "Svetlana" from 1989 were defective in a very large number, up to 3-4%. The same was observed with series 155 and 531 from Transcaucasia. And it was very difficult to find faults in the equipment. Although the same microcircuits produced in Minsk were absolutely reliable. And in production, faced with such a massive defect, they gladly switched to imported electronics.
        And with the analog microcircuits of the 140UD7 operational amplifiers, there was generally a funny situation. Reputable manufacturers of equipment put a bag with spare parts for their replacement in a 1: 1 ratio, anticipating that all installed ones may be unusable.
        1. BAI
          +4
          18 July 2021 15: 33
          The same was observed with series 155 and 531 from Transcaucasia. And it was very difficult to find faults in the equipment.

          Malfunctions in the equipment with microcircuits of the Yerevan Radio Plant were very easy to fix. The faulty unit is taken. All Yerevan microcircuits are removed from it, in a row and replaced with others, better than the Vilnius plant. The block starts to work. Everything.
          1. +2
            18 July 2021 15: 55
            I didn’t come across those from Yerevan, microcircuits from Baku and Leningrad were more troublesome. In some places, military components from Kaluga were used, in planar hulls, even among them there were unusable ones. And what to change for? On the same? Somewhere in the year 93, microcircuits from Minsk went massively, so those were good for repairs. I don’t remember the components from Vilnius at all.
            We didn’t know exactly what and where, we only knew that the cup with the smoke from Transcaucasia, and the badge with the letter “C” means “Svetlana”.
            And not all TEZs could withstand soldering, they carried out a mass replacement only if it was not possible to determine exactly the unusable microcircuit.
      3. +1
        18 July 2021 22: 44
        You are absolutely right. I am more and more convinced that the author is reducing the entire "cycle" of articles to the format of a "historical and technological" comic strip with an obvious, opportunistic, anti-Soviet negative.

        By the way, in his "mournful register" of Soviet microprocessor "lags" I, for some reason, did not find such a product as KM 1813 BE1 ...

        And it was already mastered and prepared for serial production at the Alfa software, which is not at all "non-core" and "not the main one" for such a subject, at the end of 1987. And the prospect of PRACTICAL application was very SPECIFIC. Communication engineering, geophysics, biomedicine, acoustics, industrial automation. And this is just "for the beginning" ...

        For reference, this is a functionally complete (which I emphasize ...), reprogrammable (which I emphasize ...) VLSI for 40 thousand elements ...

        By the way, the author diligently enumerating the changing "numbers" of microprocessor series, and diluting all this with judgments about the "low culture" of Soviet production, does not seem to be very aware that behind each "new number", IN ESSENCE, there is a NEW TECHNOLOGY, including in this concept and NEW REQUIREMENTS to the PRODUCTION CONDITIONS. Including EVG (electronic vacuum hygiene).

        It must be understood and taken into account that a change in technology sometimes requires a complete change of technological equipment. What, simply, requires a certain amount of time and money ...

        As for the notorious "culture of production" in the field of world electronics, it was in the USSR, ALREADY from the beginning, no worse than the Japanese. It's a bit late today, but tomorrow I'll back it up with an example ...
        1. +3
          19 July 2021 08: 47
          By the way, in his "mournful register" of Soviet microprocessor "lags" I, for some reason, did not find such a product as KM 1813 BE1 ...
          KM 1813 BE1 is an analogue of Intel's I2920, released in 1979-1980s.
          1. 0
            19 July 2021 12: 49
            If everything were "so simple" ...

            Firstly, I remind you once again that this VLSI, the presence of which the author "forgot" to mention, was developed and SERIOUSLY mastered, albeit a very modern and high-tech, but still a "non-core" enterprise ...

            Secondly, the same Intel, CONSTANTLY UPDATED line of op amps, comparators, timers, ULF, active filters and functionally complete crystals of FM receivers, companders, discrete nomenclature released? ..

            Thirdly, KM 1813 BE1, was still an "extended analogue", with ADDED at the request of potential consumers, functions ...

            But the aforementioned "perestroika" also cut down its SERIAL production at the manufacturing plant, and let its potential, high-tech industrial consumers around the world ...
  2. +2
    18 July 2021 06: 17
    Very interesting article.
  3. +9
    18 July 2021 06: 59
    In pursuit of performance, we forgot what good code is. Now, to quickly display this page, you need a processor that is orders of magnitude faster than it was required 25 years ago. But the essence is the same ...
    1. +4
      18 July 2021 07: 05
      "In the pursuit of performance, we forgot what good code is"
      You probably mean development speed by productivity? In principle, I agree. So the development of the frontend went into setting up various frameworks.
      Good code now and always is in microcontroller programming. And they were seriously puzzled by the optimization of the code at the level of processing big data.
  4. -10
    18 July 2021 07: 17
    The author has compiled rumors, myths, speculation and other nonsense, as a result both horses and horses are mixed in the article.

    In Japan, cassette recorders are still produced, and the US military operates and maintains 5-inch drives in its technology.

    Although this has not been done in the Russian Federation for a long time.

    The Criminal Procedure Code is an institution for grade 9 schoolchildren (the minor author is most likely not aware of what it is). There I learned to work on turning and milling machines. A schoolchild of NATO countries cannot even dream of such a thing.
    By the way, lamps are still produced in Japan and the USA. So being able to recognize them is a good skill.
    1. +5
      18 July 2021 07: 31
      "In Japan, cassette recorders are still produced, and the US military operates and maintains 5-inch drives in its technology.

      Although this has not been produced in the Russian Federation for a long time. "
      Please explain your idea. What is the conclusion from this?
    2. +6
      18 July 2021 08: 48
      The UPC is a good topic, but mainly for plasterers-painters and turners-milling cutters. In the UPK VT, we worked on SM-4 and Grobotrons. And I personally threw ESku into the sump. Well, at the institute we were taught on SM-1420 and DVK-2. Is it any wonder that technical progress washed it all down the toilet after a couple of years? Just in 1992, I assembled my first 286th. Ten years after its release!
  5. 0
    18 July 2021 10: 04
    Well, I will not argue, but at one regime, now closed facility, I contacted the chief engineer. He boasted that his group could quickly convert any machine tool to the needs of the army, thanks to the processors developed by his group, from scratch, of a fundamentally new generation, which, according to him, "head to head" in all respects are next to the best American ones. This means that they worked somewhere in the old ways, from scratch, without copying a foreign product.
  6. +4
    18 July 2021 10: 14
    I am grateful to the author! You can see the addicted person! hi
  7. +5
    18 July 2021 10: 19
    I didn’t deal with military equipment in those early years, but the civilian direction was ruined by illiterate design and engineering, and it is still ruined. For some reason, our hardware design engineer considers the reliability of one single element to be a fixed value, but this is not the case. Roughly speaking, if a resistor designed for 2 watts of dissipated power releases so much, and even heats up along with the rest of the elements, then its reliability will be 0,99. But if you put two elements of 2 watts each, then the resistors will be eternal. The domestic designer does not understand this, he believes that the fewer elements the better, does not lay a power reserve and is afraid to increase the cost.
    And I don't want to talk about the arrangement of printed circuit boards horizontally, there is a general defect in domestic equipment, although everyone seems to have studied physics and know that vertically installed boards are cooled better.
    And the latest squeak of fashion is 19-inch cabinets for the installation of electrics and electronics, made in such a way that it is not possible to stick a hand from the side, although the wires are fed to the equipment from the back. And you cannot influence this in any way, rationalization activity does not allow interference with standard products, as they say, a desperate situation.
  8. +8
    18 July 2021 11: 14
    The article is informative, the topic is really sad. Respect to the author. Dumb copying hasn't made anyone happy yet. I managed to work for 12 years during the global stagnation (1978-1990), however, the last 5 years from this period have already been a collapse and decline. The opinion of my immediate big bosses was unambiguous - since there is something overseas (they published the results in the AIAA paper and the AIAA Journal), then we need to do it, although a lag of 2-3 years (at best) is guaranteed. Once we managed to break out of this vicious circle - when an American missile hit us, I don't remember the name, not the AIM-9 Sidewinder, we successfully copied it (K-13 / R 3C), and the other, then put it on stream her steering gear could not. Through the efforts of Nisht and Belotserkovsky (Zhukovsky Air Force Academy), a lattice wing scheme was developed and perfected, the use of which on missiles of various classes made it possible to solve a number of problems. In particular, lattice wings are still used in the Soyuz emergency rescue system, on Tochka OTR missiles, and on air-to-air missiles, from which it all began. During the "Gulf War" the effectiveness of these missiles was extremely high - out of 8 Iraqi launches 4 hit targets, the Americans, of course, will never publish this data, but it was.
    1. +2
      18 July 2021 11: 40
      Quote: Aviator_
      Dumb copying hasn't made anyone happy yet.

      But China? I got up on such copying. The copying system allowed the USSR to "keep up" hopelessly neither in circuitry, nor in technology (technological equipment was also copied, and quickly). And then the "chubais" and "gaidaryats" broke everything, and a stream of imports poured into Russia. Finishing off the surviving production.
      1. +1
        18 July 2021 11: 55
        "But China? It has risen on such copying." Back in 2019, the share of imports in China was 70% and about 30% was its own production. Now the leadership of the PRC has sent a huge amount of money to the development of its own microcircuits.
        1. +2
          18 July 2021 12: 10
          Quote: tasha
          Back in 2019, the share of imports in China was 70% and about 30% - its own production

          Import of what? Technologies, chips, circuitry solutions?
          1. +2
            18 July 2021 12: 38
            Sorry, microcircuits of course
            https://www.cnews.ru/news/top/2020-10-16_kitaj_bet_vse_rekordy_zavisimosti
        2. +1
          19 July 2021 13: 11
          Well, you haven't refuted your "counterpart" with this thesis at all ...

          Firstly, "now" the Celestial Empire is banal "shutting off" the valve to continue such an established copying process. And not only the West suddenly "came to its senses", it is stupid, for "economic reasons", which for DECADES has been transferring its production facilities to the PRC (and there is only "consumer goods"). But thank God Russia is closing this valve to Beijing too. Forcing to buy FINISHED products in SIGNIFICANT volumes ...

          Secondly, it was precisely "on the paths" of copying that the PRC began not only "making microcircuits", but also 5th generation MFIs, and aircraft carriers, and air defense / missile defense systems ... And very successfully ...
          1. +1
            19 July 2021 13: 22
            Secondly, it was precisely "on the paths" of copying that the PRC began not only "making microcircuits", but also 5th generation MFIs, and aircraft carriers, and air defense / missile defense systems ... And very successfully ...
            Of course. I wrote about this in the first comment. I quote myself and do not die of modesty :)
            Maybe A.I. Shokin understood this perfectly and made such decisions. Hoped that the development of copied samples would lead to a breakthrough. With tanks it turned out ... But microcircuits are not tanks. Electronics cannot develop without investment.
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              19 July 2021 14: 05
              Firstly, I wish you only health ...

              Secondly, a CUTTING HEADLINE about "ATTACK OF THE CLONES" with a parallel "hitting" the "guilty" Shokin in this, and CONSTANT ACCENTRATION of this thesis from article to article, works for an unprepared reader much more effectively than the quote you quoted in "regular type" "...

              And it works precisely in terms of the ANTI-Soviet negative. This is the basics of ANY propaganda ...
              1. +1
                19 July 2021 14: 14
                And it works precisely in terms of the ANTI-Soviet negative. This is the basics of ANY propaganda ...
                Maybe so. And also so that any attempt to draw attention to the real problems of the USSR immediately gets the label of anti-Sovietism and a complete blackout. This does not apply to our conversation with you, but in the general approach. I am against myth-making, the USSR was not a country with jelly rivers and milk shores. Not "everything was," but it was - everything. And mistakes and achievements ...
                1. +1
                  19 July 2021 14: 24
                  I would say so ...

                  The "pre-perestroika" USSR was a socially oriented state that lived within its means, and did not set its GOAL and TASK at all, in contrast to the so-called. "West", the formation of the so-called. "consumer society".
                  Those. a society LIVING CONTINUOUSLY - i.e. producing, selling and buying "on credit".

                  Those. into the TOTAL DEBT, which this society is IN PRINCIPLICALLY NOT CAPABLE OF REPAYING ..
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                    19 July 2021 14: 34
                    I'm sorry, again by personal example. For all its greatness and power, the USSR could not saturate the market with automatic washing machines. And the village teacher, after checking the notebooks, washed things for the family on a simple "Belka" typewriter. And squeezed - by hand ... And the water had to be brought in and heated with a boiler. Because the Soviet industry did not create a primitive automatic pump and electric boiler.
                    At the same time, 3-5 billion rubles were spent annually on the war in Afghanistan.

                    To an article on the Navy, one commentator wrote: "Actually, that's exactly what it is. Huge military spending and the transformation of the Soviet economy into an appendage to the military-industrial complex in the end led to the fact that the USSR lost without any military action." And there is nothing to add to this ...
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                      19 July 2021 15: 13
                      Quote: tasha
                      And the water had to be brought in and heated with a boiler. Because the Soviet industry did not create a primitive automatic pump and electric boiler.

                      There is also the inertia of thinking, the "trickle" vibration pump was already produced in the 70-80s.
                      About semiautomatic washing machines with centrifuges of the "Siberia" type, the same comes from the USSR.
                    2. +3
                      19 July 2021 15: 30
                      In principle, there is something ...

                      Rural teacher, my compliments. But ...

                      Before saturating the rural consumer with washing "machines - automatic machines" (again, in which republic was this "deficit" present and how large and when was it? , suitable for the devil's failure operation of these "machines"? .. And, perhaps, start with this? ..

                      Otherwise, it may turn out that the teacher, instead of washing on the "Squirrel", will have to drag her "automatic machine" to a distant warranty workshop. Which in the USSR (by the way, which attached to the sold household radio, television and other equipment, BEAUTIFUL and PRACTICAL operational documentation) was quite enough. And it is far from the fact that this case will be recognized as a "guarantee" ...

                      As for the allegedly "exorbitant" military expenditures of the USSR, here the respected Vitaly Shlykov, who, unfortunately, has already left, said everything a long time ago.

                      As well as PROVENLY showed from what "sources" the fathers of "perestroika" and their "intellectual servants" drew their "insights" on this subject ...

                      And the USSR "lost" nothing to anyone. The USSR was ruined by mediocrities, and its people were betrayed.

                      By the way, not a single system is immune from betrayal and mediocrity, even the so-called. "market-democratic", no matter what praises of it are composed ...

                      After all, TWO WORLD wars are EXACTLY THEM, and not at all Soviet "merit" ...
                      1. +2
                        22 July 2021 12: 45
                        it is worth looking at and thinking, how far is the RURAL ELECTRIC NETWORK ..
                        Alas, buddy. The aforementioned "Siberia" car worked, and nothing ... Only it was impossible to buy it ...
                        And the USSR "lost" nothing to anyone. The USSR was ruined by mediocrities, and its people were betrayed.
                        How did it happen that mediocrity came to power? What were the principles of the selection to power?
                      2. +1
                        24 July 2021 10: 54
                        Sorry, but we are on the "technical" thread of the forum, not in the communal kitchen ...
                        processor board. Roughly speaking,

                        1. "Worked" is not an argument. As well as "nothing" ...

                        The washing machine assumes the presence of a processor board that controls the operation of the machine in everything provided for in the instruction manual. In fact, this is already a computer, with "mechanics" attached to it ...

                        In the same way, by the way, like a modern gas boiler, it has long been a computer, with a burner "fastened" to it, a heat exchanger, a pump and a combustion product removal system ...

                        And they MUST be put into operation by a SERVICE technician who makes a mark in the OWN and the OWNER of the device in the warranty card. The third copy of the coupon is sent to the MANUFACTURER of the device, or his representative - dealer. Including, this confirms the CONFORMITY of the operating conditions at the connection point, the REQUIREMENTS of the Operating Instructions ...

                        If you are ready to neglect ALL of this, and "Siberia", nevertheless, worked and "nothing", then take off your hat to the high reliability of the Soviet household equipment produced. But forget about warranty repairs, in case "something happens". That's all ...

                        2. Selected the people to power. As it should be according to the Soviet Constitution. That is, according to the most progressive system in the world - the system of real democracy.

                        And it "happened" so because not a single so-called. The "selection system" never, anywhere and anyone, does not give any 100% guarantees.

                        And in the so-called. "Western democracies" and "market economies", which brought the planet to the SPIRIT OF SYSTEM CRISES - World Wars, least of all. And he won't give ...

                        I remind you that the PEOPLE of the USSR, on March 17, 1991, at the GENERAL UNION Referendum, voted for the preservation of the USSR by a majority of 77%. Those. voted And, for the preservation of the Union, And for the preservation of Soviet power in it.

                        But the PEOPLE was betrayed by mediocrity and traitors in power. And his LEGALLY expressed and MANDATORY to EXECUTION will trampled on.
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                        24 July 2021 11: 43
                        Good afternoon!
                        "Washing machine, assumes the presence of a processor board,". If I am not confused, the "brain" of the Vyatka 12 washing machine (analogous to something Italian) was a mechanical command apparatus. hi
                        Interesting, your friend, logic. Not in the sense of bad, but in the sense of being unfamiliar to me. "There was no way to buy washing machines in the countryside, because the installation and adjustment of these machines required serious expenses for updating the power grids, creating service centers, training technicians, and so on." The state had no money for this, but did it have money for war and assistance to various regimes? Or was it just that no one thought about it, as in the joke about Brezhnev and a bottle of vodka with a screw cap? hi

                        according to claim 2. So mediocrity seeped, including in the leadership of the electronic industry of the USSR? And as a result of their many years of wrecking activity, all undertakings and achievements in this area were replaced by simple copying of foreign achievements? And so it could be ...
                        In any case, thanks for the interesting communication. Let's wait for a new article about electronics and meet there. And then, as you rightly pointed out, I'm jumping into a "communal apartment". Sincerely...
      2. 0
        18 July 2021 12: 50
        The Chinese have less and less stupid copying. This stage is necessary, but then you need to develop your own, and quickly. But stagnation is stagnation, we had it, but China did not have it. They learn from our mistakes.
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          19 July 2021 14: 00
          In the USSR, this, FROM THE BEGINNING, was not done "later", but PARALLEL ...

          And as PARALLEL ACCUMULATION OF THE NECESSARY EXPERIENCE and PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE, they began to focus on their original nomenclature.
          1. +1
            19 July 2021 17: 58
            In the USSR, from the very beginning, they were

            It depends on what industry, where it was, what to develop, there it is, and where it was not - we had to start with copies, sometimes unlicensed, like our first aircraft engine "Liberty-400". In "Russia, which Govorukhin lost" (there was such a foul film in 1992), far from everything was done.
            1. +2
              19 July 2021 22: 42
              In microelectronics, this was exactly the case, since the inception of this industry in the USSR ...

              At the expense of the "licensed copies", a separate question. Here, excuse me, as in the well-known anecdote: "So you are" checkered "? .. Or go? .."

              Licenses for the production of high-tech products (let alone the "latest"), the original developers of technologies, sell, either to the allied countries. Or, to dependent countries. Or, to countries "neutral" ...

              Nobody, in their right mind, will ever legally sell such licenses to the main military enemy and geopolitical rival. Let's just understand and accept this as a FACT OF REALITY, "without discussion." If something is "sold", then from the sphere of the "dead-end branch". Or unpromising old stuff ...

              Moreover, on the part of the buyer, an attempt to "legally" acquire from the enemy (let's call it that for brevity) the latest technologies in promising industries and licenses for the production of specific products will trite the enemy, the sphere of your actual interests, incl. and your plans and intentions in the field of defense production, at least ... And will provide an excellent opportunity to develop measures to counter your aspirations ...

              To illustrate ...

              The USSR, thank God, did not buy licenses for nuclear technologies from the same "Manhattan" USA. But, at present, he is the undisputed world leader in this area. moreover, with a "large margin" in the technological field ...
      3. +1
        18 July 2021 13: 12
        They broke the wrong word, closed them forcibly with orders, certificates, standards and recommendations.
  9. -2
    18 July 2021 13: 51
    Davlet Yuditsky, who was just heading to Zelenograd to develop microcircuits for his upcoming missile defense supercomputer. The story will be about him in the next issue.
    I read it with interest and indignation at the same time. I hope that in the continuation of the release, the author will find a balance between blaming everything Soviet, praising everything Western, and remember our talents, who created new algorithms and machines from what they had! For example, the geological prospecting machines developed at the Geofizpribor factories, which were very energy-intensive, due to the low quality of the electronics used, but which saved the state money wagons and were, in fact, the subject of the hunt of the West so beloved by the author. wink I deliberately do not touch upon the Soviet military-industrial complex, which sometimes simply destroyed advanced technologies in the bud. but also created a unique technique. I suggest that the author just without bias, but a little deeper look into the essence and reasons for the state of affairs in the Union that he voiced. Thanks for the article, it was interesting. smile
    1. -2
      19 July 2021 00: 29
      You would not splash with feelings here, but give evidence of your innocence. Only the technical aspects of working in this area are described here. But, if you learned about the reasons prompting production to slow down the new, and, only on the basis of the Soviet planned development system, then you would be shocked. The Soviet economy was not interested in innovations. For it was a fever of planning, which was FROM ACHIEVED. That is, a monotonous increase in output next year by a legitimate 2% from last year's output. This was the brake on everything. It was impossible to dramatically overfulfill the plans. For the future will be sad. It was impossible to drastically change technologies, because all this was laid down in development plans, and significant ones - in five-year plans. Hence the protracted construction, when a medium-sized small factory was built for two or three five-year plans.
      1. +2
        19 July 2021 13: 00
        "The Soviet economy was not interested in innovations. For this was feverish for planning, which was FROM ACHIEVED. That is, the monotonous increase in output next year by the legal 2% from last year's output. This was the brake on everything."
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        Did you seriously write this? .. If so, then you have a reason to distract yourself from reading the newspapers of the "perestroika" era ...

        Firstly, PLANT products were produced by Batch production plants. And the mentioned plans "from the achieved" were optimized EXACTLY for THEM.

        Secondly, INDUSTRIAL R&D institutes, incl. included in the structure of production associations MEP. And their "experimental" factories, which produced "experimental" batches of NEW innovative products.

        AND PERFORMED IN PRACTICE PARAMETERS OF THE TECHNOLOGICAL PROCESS PROVIDING THE OPTIMAL percentage of "good yield" AFTER THE TRANSFER OF THESE NEW PRODUCTS TO SERIAL PLANTS ...

        This is how, REALLY, the situation was with the notorious "Soviet planning", supposedly something "slowed down" there ...
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          19 July 2021 15: 18
          There was also such that industry research institutes fought off new R&D projects. Because it is enough for the plan, and the increase in the volume of work will not affect the salary.
          I heard this information from the first person in a conversation "... here you gnaw your teeth for OCD, and in Soviet times we went to Moscow to fight off new OCD ..."
          1. +2
            19 July 2021 23: 01
            Yes it was. And many of these people, I still managed, as they say, "to touch with my hand." Although, the last decade, more and more had to "see off".

            Moreover, in spite of their age (their age, of course ...), almost from the "workplace" at their computer. You will be surprised, but they, continuously staying abreast of ALL THE LATEST WORLD trends and technological solutions, carried out orders for new developments very productively and efficiently ...

            So that's it. Soviet industrial research institutes, at least in the MEP system, were simply "overwhelmed" with ROCs. And from them, YES, ANNUALLY, it was necessary, in part, to "fight off", postponing to a later date

            And this is NORMAL, for VISIBLY testifies to the mass of innovations that the USSR and the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade were supposed to master and implement. Yes, I had to prioritize. Incl. and in the sphere of the same "defense". When deciding what will go ahead, work for "Buran", the Navy, Antonov "Mriya" or the so-called. "cryogenic" topics, etc. I am here only an insignificant part, brought, for illustration. And for ROCs in the USSR they paid very good allowances. And there were simply NO designers "without ROC" in the sectoral scientific research institutes of the Ministry of Economic Development at any given moment. You were either the "chief" or "deputy" in the direction, or involved in specific research and work, but within the framework of the ROC, ALL participants received bonuses ...

            One trouble, the NECESSARY OCD was the "sea", and there were not enough people who could "drink this sea at once" ...
          2. -3
            20 July 2021 00: 27
            The scope of work performed by the research institute was quite accurately and legally determined, the methods for calculating the number, composition (according to qualifications) were determined. Only those topics that were included in state plans were financed. Side work is a crime against the people and the state. Did they write little about the clandestine production of all kinds of essential consumer goods? They were imprisoned, and in the Stalinist years, they were shot.
            1. +2
              20 July 2021 10: 49
              Are you now, excuse me, who are you talking to? .. With yourself? ..

              What are the "side" works in the context of ROC in the MEP system? ..

              It was about the fact that there were TOO MANY very TOPICAL ROCs that were supposed to be included in the sectoral plans.

              And from PART of them, ANNUALLY, we had to "fight back". Even (about the horror, FROM ALREADY INTO THE PLANS). What really DEMANDED "a trip to Moscow". Sometimes, and not just one ...

              And that it is ABSOLUTELY NORMAL ...
        2. +1
          19 July 2021 23: 58
          You say things as if you had just come from a party meeting And did not move away from the fever of discussions. Although, what were the discussions then? Generally clever. During my 74 years, and a quarter of a century of working as a designer, I have understood a lot of things that you still have not realized. The worst thing. what could have happened is to overfulfill the plan by more. than 5 .... 7%. This will be the end. The principle "from what has been achieved" will immediately turn on, and next year you will get so much that ..... I'll tell you HOW research institutes and factories worked, mastering new equipment. Here's how to get the Honorable Pentagon without any effort. I'll tell you how the pace and volume of production grew in a stagnant country. Want to? To begin with, during my work at the plant, in SKB, for 25 years, we consistently removed from production and replaced (without replacement with a similar product, it is impossible, they will not be allowed) So, my product (I was the leading one) cost 49 rubles, and the last, fifth - 876 rubles. The functions, of course, were exactly the same. Release - more than 10 thousand per year. Consider how the volume has grown only for my product. It was 70 ... 80 years, then there was no such galloping inflation. Why did we exchange our items? The fact is that every designer, technologist of the plant was obliged to improve the entire production, structure, in order to reduce the metal consumption, labor intensity, and introduce modern profiles, materials, technologies and equipment. Yearly. Our products were explosion-proof for mines, that is, they protected people, and it was possible to change the design without violating safety standards. Our products were tested in the research institute for explosion-proof, intrinsic safety, etc. And, in a few years, we, together, nibbled our product to the skeleton. Further it was possible only by violating everything and everyone. The research institute whose work was taken into account for the release of his projects into production, was ready to offer us his own ... We, of course, .... The research institute is ours, industry, we know them all by sight, they graze with us for months, they know our ailments and needs. In short, a hand, a hand .... We hunt together, of course, an old product, class it as a third quality category, remove it from production and master a new one. We understood ourselves, or suggest that we have fat in the drawings and technical processes. For the future ..... And so, all the time, and not one of our plants, and not one of our products, so we pushed progress. There were 860 mines in the USSR, so, almost so many remained. Which one should we produce more products, if there is no place to put them? All according to PLAN, his mother. They grew up at the expense of this kind of "improvement". And you will tell me something there? Have you taken on a lot?
          1. 0
            20 July 2021 10: 53
            "You say such things as if you had just come from a party meeting And did not move away from the fervor of discussions. Although, what were the discussions then?
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            Excuse me, you, as a "constructor", at the age of 74, are you rolling it out to me as an "argument"? ..
            1. -1
              20 July 2021 21: 17
              How can you comment on nonsense? Usually spoken at these gatherings of idiots.
              1. 0
                24 July 2021 10: 58
                It's your problems. I did not have to attend any "gatherings of idiots" anywhere, in the production facilities of the USSR ...

                So, the "generalization" of your personal "design" experience to the system is corny illiterate and ridiculous ...
                1. -1
                  24 July 2021 11: 14
                  Quote: ABC-schütze
                  It's your problems. I did not have to attend any "gatherings of idiots" anywhere, in the production facilities of the USSR ...

                  So, the "generalization" of your personal "design" experience to the system is corny illiterate and ridiculous ...

                  And d and otam who are in the insane asylum, of course, are not surprising and they themselves do not notice that ...
          2. +1
            20 July 2021 11: 09
            "The fact is that each designer, technologist of the plant was obliged to improve the entire production, structure, in order to reduce the metal consumption, labor intensity, the introduction of modern profiles, materials, technologies and equipment. Every year. Our products were explosion-proof, for mines."
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            Respected...

            1. "Plant designer" and the chief designer of the ROC are somewhat different concepts.

            And these characters, even in different structures, work. Ch. the ROC designer, in the INDUSTRIAL R&D Institute (as a RULE), and the "plant designer" plows in the SERIAL production, "accompanying" the SERIAL production of SERIAL PRODUCTS. Put into production AFTER ROC acceptance by the State Commission.

            By the way, there are also "factory designers" in the pilot production "at the branch research institute". Only they, MAINLY, accompany the release of experimental batches. Incl. and parties - for which the State Commission adopts the ROC ...

            By the way, the chief designer of the ROC, ALWAYS accompanies the "installation" batch, before the development of a particular product in serial production. With the letter "A" ...

            As an EXCEPTION, with relatively SMALL needs (or, conversely, VERY LARGE), pilot production, ALSO COULD be connected to the production of SERIAL products. But only, not in the form of a "rule" ...

            2. "I will tell you HOW the research institutes and factories worked, mastering new equipment. I will tell you how to get the" Honorary Pentagon "without making the slightest effort. I will tell you how the rates and volumes of production grew in a stagnant country. Do you want?"
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            This whole crap, better tell your grandchildren before bedtime.

            Especially, in the context of slogans about a "stagnant" country. I assure you, they will fall asleep quickly and without problems ...

            Do you, as an experienced "inmate" at party meetings, do not know ...
            1. -1
              20 July 2021 21: 24
              How do you like the head of the department? Will you talk to HIM, or will the Chief Designer of OCD - for you the caliber on the shoulder, and no less? Chief Designer of ROC. This does not happen. There is simply the Chief Designer. There is a Chief Engineer of the project. There are leading designers. That you are fixated on a thing that you do not understand either .....? Intelligently, so I ask. ROC is a stage of the topic following the research work. If you do not understand what this is - I will explain - research work - research work. OKR - Experimental design work. OCD is usually short, depending on the complexity, no more than a year or two. Have you been appointed for two years, with vague prospects for the future? This is what you have been talking about for several days. GK is for a very long time, and not at the stage of OCD. Dubina.
          3. +1
            20 July 2021 11: 43
            "The fact is that each designer, technologist of the plant was obliged to improve the entire production, structure, in order to reduce the metal consumption, labor intensity, the introduction of modern profiles, materials, technologies and equipment. Every year. Our products were explosion-proof, for mines."
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            Sorry, have you forgotten that you are "posting comments" under the article about the IEP, in general, and microelectronics, in particular? ..

            For this, "about mines" and miners, we'll talk later ...

            What are the "annual improvements"? ..

            ANY, THE MOST INSIDERABLE introduction of "changes" by SERIAL production in the CD or TD on the IS PP, handed over to the archive, REQUIRED, at least, coordination with the chief designer of the product, and, finally, JOINT APPROVAL, both from the Customer and the Head organization of MEP on the use of IS software.

            Or even conducting a written survey of the enterprises of the ministries - consumers (who, by the way, were also very closely followed by the Customer). And if there were any objections, meetings were held "in Moscow" ...

            This is the head organization, by the way, and to this day, the same Zelenograd (Central Bank PIMS), which has only fairly lost its qualifications. However, I hope, temporarily and for well-understood and objective reasons ...

            Now for the educational program ...

            Try, as a "constructor", to find "Reliability Fundamentals of Semiconductor Devices and Integrated Circuits". A. A. Chernyshev. Moscow. "Radio and communication". 1988 year

            Chapter 2.Fig. 2.1. Instrument Life Cycle Stages

            "ALL corrective constructive actions, BY THE ESSENCE, are nothing else, a NEW DEVELOPMENT, caused by the fact that any of the factors DEFINING this stage (ie the development stage. Approx. Mine) HAVE NOT BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN FULL SCOPE" ...

            This is not said at the "party meeting" ...

            This is one of (MANY ...) DESKTOP BOOKS for ANY "pros" in the field of microelectronics and reliability ...

            Do you still have questions about the "annual improvements" of SERIAL products? ..

            There were, of course, the "ratsuhs" on duty at the serial, as well as at the pilot production. BUT, THEY, ALSO, if they affected the products AND TECHPROCESS with acceptance AND UNDER THE CUSTOMER'S CONTROL, CAREFULLY PRELIMINARY assessed ...

            By the way, was there a Customer at your "mine equipment" enterprise? .. Did you receive the products? ..
            1. 0
              20 July 2021 21: 29
              And what, in the MEP things were somehow different? There was no fraud with "Quality Marks", with straining in prices, deceit, postscript and concealment of opportunities? I had to repeatedly agree on the use of various garbage on our products. And conversations in case of refusals sounded only in the mainstream of limited production capabilities. They offered a frank .... instead of completely outdated elements. Work with restrictive departmental lists. which did not have what was in the specification libraries. Dolbo .... you, not a MEP specialist. I also dealt with closed subjects. Hence, numerous business trips to objects. Not at the level of elements, but of a more significant complexity. With a warranty period of 12 years, and a resource of 1000 hours.
              1. +1
                21 July 2021 12: 14
                "But what, things were somehow different in the MEP? There was no fraud with the" Quality Marks ", with straining in prices, in deceit, postscripts and concealment of opportunities?"
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                Things were different in the MEP ...


                And those who "practiced" EVERYTHING listed by you, either - flew out of office, or - sat down to "grind bunks" ...

                By the way, just in case, I am drawing your attention as a "designer" to one "small detail".

                The point is that the "cases" mentioned by you and the "cases" under discussion are fundamentally different concepts in terms of their semantic content.

                "Cases" reflect the order in the SYSTEM as a whole, and "Cases" are exceptions to the RULES. You, EXACTLY on the BASIS of "cases" (extremely chaotic and opportunistic selected according to the "criterion" of your personal, anti-Soviet antipathies), are trying to move to "broad generalizations" with the transfer of your personal judgments to the WHOLE SYSTEM.

                Well, in a word, INTENTIONALLY and CONSCIOUSLY, you are engaged in a banal and well-known substitution of concepts. To put it simply, it is a "pod". This time ...
                1. +1
                  21 July 2021 14: 30
                  Here one can hear the words not of the husband, but of the assistant professor from the famous joke of Kartsev of a very supernumerary university. forced to replace, (completely, unexpectedly), a sick professor. It was not I who sow propaganda, but the Soviet system itself, artificially invented and brought to the point of absurdity by the CPSU Central Committee, buried such a country. And not one, it should be noted. It is I who propagandize AGAINST socialism, or Comrade General Secretary M. Gorbachev himself, who declared from the TV screen that our metallurgists are great. They, you see, have committed themselves to weld steel to order. And the dotism of Comrade Markenny did not allow me to think that I had frozen something that ..... It turns out that all five-year plans they (steelmakers) did not fulfill orders, that is, what was needed, but what they could. It became clear to me why we have such a range of steels. There are no gaps between adjacent varieties. Whatever bungle, it doesn't matter, something will work out. We worked for reports and for a warehouse. They filled up with shit that nobody wanted, but the reports were just awesome. At the age of 4, they did five-year plans. Esteem, a cudgel, HOW the planned system worked for us. https://public.wikireading.ru/51104
                  Why socialism is better than capitalism.Vasserman Anatoly Alexandrovich. And for starters, read the excerpt from there: “But the production plan contains as many equations as there are different types of products. 1970 million types of products were produced in the USSR, which means that in order to calculate the plan it was necessary to solve a system of 1 equations and to perform 20 actions for this.
                  Tired of counting zeros? Well, this can be done not manually, but on a computer. The fastest Soviet computer at that time performed 1 operations per second. And it took him to calculate the plan 000 seconds - approximately 000 years.
                  True, in the Gauss method, many actions can be performed in parallel. That is, connect many computers to the case at once. And computers themselves are working faster every day. Now there are already billions of operations per second with a speed of operation. And if you connect a whole million (and there are no more in the whole world) computers with a hundred million performance, the plan for the USSR can be calculated in just 160 years ...
                  In fact - thousands for 10-20. First, the coefficient before the exponent is far from one. Secondly, the overhead of organizing the parallel operation of computers takes away a significant portion of their performance. Hundreds of thousands and millions of computers will spend many times more time on interaction, on the exchange of intermediate results, than on the work itself.
                  However, you can save something. For example, iron ore is not directly included in a plastic comb. Of course, the mold for the hairbrush is made of steel. And the tools for making the mold are steel. And the machines on which these tools are made contain a lot of iron. But at the intersection of the line "plastic hairbrush" and the column "iron ore" there is zero. And there are a lot of such zeros in the system of material balance equations, according to which the plan is calculated. If you choose the right order of actions, most of these zeros will remain. For planned calculations, it is possible to reduce the exponent in the Gaussian method from three to two and a half. Although the proportionality coefficient in front of the degree increases many times. That is, the time for calculating the plan can be reduced to five to ten years. "...
                2. +1
                  21 July 2021 14: 41
                  http://www.leaninfo.ru/2014/12/03/optimalnyiy-raspil-faneryi-ili-plan-po-sdache-metalloloma-kantorovich/
                  Look at here. Does the surname Kantorovich say anything to you? Summary - Plywood trust, plywood parts for aircraft. Huge waste. The director asked for help to organize the technology with minimal waste. The work has been completed, colossal results have been obtained. But next year, the trust receives a plan to save plywood, taking into account what has been achieved and with an increase of another ....%. How to fulfill this most important position of the plan, and where will the directors of the trust go for systematic non-fulfillment, especially taking into account the fact that there were 30 years in the yard?
                3. +1
                  21 July 2021 14: 54
                  Substitution of concepts. We reason without substitution of concepts.
                  Prices in the USSR were determined by summing up all production costs, overhead costs, profits, etc. So, such a Kantorovich sits, and a THOUGHT comes into his head. It turns out that you can make it so that the material can be spent on ..... less. (Much). Shows the result to the director. (It's 30 years old). If we implement his proposal, then material consumption will be sharply reduced. The profit will rise sharply and jump over the permitted level (for our Ministry, this is 18% per year). A quarterly report will pass and in INSTANTSIAH they will see a colossal profit, which ..... Goskomtsen, in the middle of the year, to restore justice (RIP!), Cuts the wholesale price. EVERYTHING. From now on, the plant will never fulfill the plan in rubles, in volume. The number of products will do, but they have become cheaper, and the plan for the shaft will be overwhelmed. You think. would anyone dare to adjust the volume downward? Do you think anyone will adjust the plan towards increasing the output? What to do with not ordered? To the warehouse, to store, again the expense, we still need to build a warehouse. Therefore, the director will never allow his genius to do this. Directly forbid is to go under Article 58. Kantorovich is an idealist, he will not understand and will roll a denunciation. Therefore, it will be done very simply. Praise for his work and transfer him to the head of the transport department. Put things in order there. Clever, after all, without him there is no way.
              2. 0
                21 July 2021 12: 33
                "I also dealt with closed subjects. Hence, numerous business trips to objects. Not at the level of elements, but of a more significant complexity."
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                There is no need to "la-la", in the style of "general watering" ..

                Secondly, you did not answer me whether the Customer was at your enterprise. And whether he carried out the acceptance of the products manufactured by your company. The very notion "Customer" I will not decipher for you, as a "constructor". And now, when I receive a specific answer from YOU (you are a "connoisseur of specifics"), we will move on to discussing the topic of "honorable Pentagons" that are so close to you ...

                Third, about yours, "not at the level of the elements.

                Dear "constructor" ... The fact is that not even I, but the AUTHOR OF THE WHOLE CYCLE of these articles (with continuation), for a couple of months has been promoting the idea that it IS THE ABILITY of the national economy TO DEVELOP and PRODUCE ALL THE NOMENCLATURE OF THESE NOMENCLATURE. "separate elements", just and IS THE BEDDER OF ALL, FOLLOWING SUCCESSFUL DEVELOPMENT, both the national economy, in general, and its constituent branches, in particular. From the military-industrial complex and "mines" to pharmacology "," biomedicine ", etc. ...

                And this is perhaps the only thing that the author can agree with. With the clarification that the Soviet "shokins" and "Kalmyks" understood this well much earlier than him (and you, who do not understand this, even today. Judging by your derogatory and funny remark about "separate elements"). And they understood much better.

                And the parity of the USSR with the so-called. We were able to provide the "west" ...
                1. +1
                  21 July 2021 14: 58
                  And what, perhaps, is not smart enough to understand without this that civilian products do not have a 12-year warranty. And the Quality Control Department accepts such products before the PZ. Do you need surnames, titles? Exactly, docent. Yes, and WHAT you are. That's it, I'm ending the conversation. And q and otism went off scale. GOST 2. 124 in the teeth, read.
                  1. 0
                    24 July 2021 11: 26
                    We'll have to continue the conversation, uncle "constructor" ...

                    And give me, if it doesn't make it difficult for "GOST", in what way were "honorary pentagons" placed on "non-civilian" products? ... In particular, in the MEP system ...

                    After all, you are your quasi - "design" bazaar, from THIS BEGINNING. If you have forgotten, then do not be too lazy to re-read your amateurish "footcloths-comments" ...

                    For this, "surnames - titles" I do not need. Your SPECIFIC ignorance, even about ELEMENTARY things, and so in each of your "comments" comes through. And the bazaar about the "Honorary Pentagon" is the best evidence of this.

                    Only CIVIL products were marked with the quality mark. Got it? ....

                    By the way, the "designer", warranty indicators and for products with the acceptance of the Customer, are selected during the approval of the technical specification for R&D, FROM A RANGE, the values ​​specified from the corresponding GOSTs or OTU ...

                    Is this news for you, the "constructor"? ..
              3. 0
                21 July 2021 12: 45
                "I had to repeatedly agree on the use of various garbage on our products. And conversations in case of refusals sounded only in the mainstream of limited production capabilities."
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                Listen, "constructor" ...

                After all, I wrote to you SPECIFICALLY that I was engaged in "coordination of the use" of components in Soviet times and is still engaged in one of the organizations in Zelenograd. One problem is that it does not deal with the issues of "production capacity" of enterprises.

                If you, under the phrase "coordination of application" understand the possibility of including the products you need in the manufacturer's production plan and supplies to your enterprise, then, firstly, you are tongue-tied ...

                And secondly, on "business trips" it was necessary to "go" FIRSTLY, to the "distributors" of the MANUFACTURER of components. And already with HIS WRITTEN "consent" or "disagreement", go to Moscow for all sorts of other "approvals" ...
        3. 0
          20 July 2021 00: 12
          It is clear from what you have written that you don’t understand the specifics. Pilot production is usually attached to a research institute, such as a small factory, which had its own production plan. Extremely low technological equipment. Small series, why have there high-performance equipment, automation, robots and other rubbish. Transfer to a serial plant is processing completely for the production and technology of this plant. What de beat will do this? If we talk about our products, then this is a bodyag with repeated tests at the Research Institute of Security, these are three institutes in the USSR. VNIIVE-Donetsk, MAKNII-Makeevka, and VOSTNII-Kemerovo. VNIIVE worked for the chemical industry, these two for the coal industry. This is a year of work, only on the settlement of licenses for the right to manufacture explosion-proof equipment. Research Institute projects were done immediately to the plant with which they contacted, and have known each other for a long time. And they did it for equipment, technology and a base of components.
  10. 0
    18 July 2021 14: 35
    For those interested in the topic of the formation of microelectronics and computers: http://cccp-revivel.blogspot.ru/2013/07/utinaya-ohota-ili-o-prichastnosti-amerikancev-k-sovetskoj-mikroelektronike.html#more;
    http://versia.ru/articles/2013/aug/21/startsev_pugali_roboty
  11. -1
    18 July 2021 14: 55
    Mechanical engineering is the locomotive of the economy!
    The slogan of the USSR 60s-80s!
    And since high-precision engineering in our country was built again on copying Western technologies. They could not master high-precision equipment for the electronics industry.
    Donkey and lag.
    We have our own developments, but there was no resource to reproduce in the series.
    1. +1
      19 July 2021 14: 16
      Nothing like this ...

      "We" had a socialist DIVISION OF LABOR. During which, for example, the same GDR-vsky "Karl Zeiss" Jena, developed and produced HIGH-PRECISION LITHOGRAPHY SYSTEMS.

      And the USSR supplied him with CRYSTALS in PLATES, for PRODUCTION at the GDR-ovsky FEB Microelectronics (sorry for the Cyrillic alphabet ...), say, "14-bit" (THEN!) DAC - ADC based on GIS ...
  12. 0
    18 July 2021 16: 59

    Orest Vendik on the development of microelectronics in the Soviet Union
  13. 0
    18 July 2021 17: 07
    Great article !!! We look forward to continuing!
  14. 0
    18 July 2021 21: 36
    "import substitution" and in the 70s was relevant wassat
    Alas, besides the roads, the problem was also with the letter "D". And often in high offices hi
  15. +2
    19 July 2021 00: 14
    Relatively successful developments that are "at the level" and a categorical lag in industrial application - this trend was observed not only in microelectronics. IT WAS EVERYWHERE. It's all about the planned distribution of everything and everyone. If the Soviet Ministry of the Electronic Industry had permission to have a profit on its products of 25% per year, then there is no need to talk about the desire to comprehend something new. Such profit, allegedly, stimulated the introduction of everything new, the high speed of introduction of new technologies. However, everything turned out, as well as in many ways, to be its opposite. The profitability of the job was lulling. Moreover, the binding of suppliers with the manufacturer was GUARANTEED. Moreover, the buyer was not interested in choosing the most effective elements. He ultimately didn't care how much the purchased item cost. It is enough to set the price of the purchased item, and the state funding will bring in so much. how much is requested. It was possible to sell in the same way, any shit is guaranteed, the main thing is that an obvious marriage does not protrude in this. Just because. that the plans of sale and purchase were tied more securely by shackles. There was nowhere else to take, there was no foreign currency, and if there was, it was spent under the strictest control at the very top.
  16. -1
    19 July 2021 03: 34
    Why are you laughing, lost the habit of our tempos there in America? I, a member of the Central Committee, said: to reproduce means to reproduce! And you, so as not to laugh, will be my chief designer and will report to me every month at the board.
    Then, after thinking a little, A.I. Shokin nevertheless asked - how much do you think is necessary?
    We replied that we need three years ...
    Operating schemes from NII-35 were demonstrated to Shokin in 1965 ...
    Serial production was mastered in 1967.


    In addition to the completely typical despotic rudeness characteristic of all types of Soviet bosses (I don’t understand the topic, but a member of the Central Committee!), We also see their typical misunderstanding of the subject area.
    The level of the author of the article is amazing, even lower than Mlechinovsky! There is no such rudeness of strength, he turns to a young, funny, specialist for you, appoints him as a chief designer and asks for an opinion on the timing! The author of the article may understand something in microelectronics, but he does not understand the elementary things of life, which in combination with anti-Sovietism raises doubts about the understanding of the subject of the article and the essence of what was happening.
    But we remember that the USSR had practically no goals other than military, and everything that he developed was 99% in the military-industrial complex, respectively, CoCom blocked his access to almost all the advanced world technology.


    Well, by tradition, there is not a word about missile defense in the article.
    1. -2
      19 July 2021 03: 46
      On this topic, with practically the same personalities, only without the anti-Soviet rottenness, there is an alt. ist. "It's not too late" by Pavel Dmitriev, a cut above these articles and more interesting.
  17. +2
    19 July 2021 09: 13
    Quote: tasha
    Serial chip! Already in mass production. Until it gets to us, until you copy it in Zelenograd, until the documentation is ready for it, until the schemes are created for it ...

    In fact, in fact, it was so that the circuits were developed for imported element base, and domestic ICs had to replace them with pin-to-pin.
    Even with the first domestic powerful microwave transistor 2T904A, there was the same story, during the development process (it was 1967) it turned out that the housing used (pins up) limits the gain at the upper operating frequency due to the internal parasitic inductance, a planar housing of the "helicopter "but the customer demanded full compliance with the western original, the only thread on the fastening screw was made metric.
    And in one of the rarest cases, these transistors were so necessary that mass production and deliveries were allowed before the end of the R&D project. (I've read an NTO on this OCD.)


    By the way, inside these transistors are made according to planar technology, they are practically ICs - several dozen elementary transistors connected in parallel
  18. +2
    19 July 2021 09: 24
    A CIA agent (his name is removed from the report), who visited the plant in Bryansk, wrote:

    Interestingly, this very high-ranking "mole" from the MEP was found?
  19. -2
    19 July 2021 12: 00
    author -> author -> author is clearly bending his line. He probably doesn’t know about industrial espionage, even inside the US it blooms and smells. There periodically courts arise, actively trying to defect specialists from one office to a competing firm.
    Now about "the USSR lagged behind in everything" and to launch the chip in the US, they simply took loans, opened a company and entered the market. In the USSR there were nii factories and bureaucrats.
    But if you look at the program code, then already in the 70s there were developments in the textbooks that in the West will only become relevant in the 200s, and then a forced measure from the growth of errors in the code. As an example, I will give the replacement of Visa cards, due to a bad code.
  20. +2
    19 July 2021 12: 38
    Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
    And the latest squeak of fashion is 19-inch cabinets for the installation of electrics and electronics, made in such a way that it is not possible to stick a hand from the side, although the wires are fed to the equipment from the back. And you cannot influence this in any way, rationalization activity does not allow interference with standard products, as they say, a desperate situation.

    Why push something somewhere?
    As the cables are connected, so let them be connected. If there is a possibility of rewiring, there are patch panels (crosses) for this on the front side of the cabinet. In addition, cabinets are not placed tightly against the wall. Well, ventilation at least from above, at least from below.
    Well, if you really want to, you can put a pull-out shelf.
  21. +1
    19 July 2021 13: 24
    Quote: dub0vitsky
    But, if you learned about the reasons prompting production to slow down the new, and, only on the basis of the Soviet planned development system, then you would be shocked.
    Unlike you, I absolutely know exactly what and how happened at the enterprises that produced electronics, because I worked in this industry! And my feelings have absolutely nothing to do with it! We, as elsewhere in the technical industry, constantly demanded innovations and rac. proposals (ratsuhi), so no need to scribble nonsense about the fact that the factories were built for 10 years! In Severodonetsk, a plant for the production of liquid crystal displays was built in less than 2,5 years and this was equipped with a full cycle, with vacuum filters for workshops, a line for the production of multilayer boards, etc. buns! And then, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, they did not know what to produce on it - the power is crazy, and none of the consumers needs anything! I have already given two real examples, in contrast to you, together with the author, who have undertaken to find fault with everything! There were defeats, there were victories, so the truth, as always, is somewhere in between!
  22. -1
    19 July 2021 13: 57
    Quote: ABC-schütze
    This is how, REALLY, the situation was with the notorious "Soviet planning", supposedly something "slowed down" there ...

    Thank you, colleague, for your support! drinks
  23. 0
    19 July 2021 14: 01
    Quote: Ua3qhp
    By the way, inside these transistors are made using planar technology.
    KT 916 were expensive even by Soviet standards. smile
    1. +1
      19 July 2021 15: 41
      Possible.
      There was also paranoia about secrecy.
      Here I came across a book.


      It would have been published at that time in thousands of copies, for everyone, but it is a chipboard and a circulation of 100 copies.
      And the transistors are CIVIL.
  24. 0
    19 July 2021 14: 06
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    but he does not understand the elementary things of life, which in combination with anti-Sovietism raises doubts about the understanding of the subject of the article and the essence of what was happening.

    Absolutely true, an article on the principle: the West is our everything, and everything Soviet sucks! I tried to write to the author the same thing as you, a little more delicately, but the sleepers were stuck. smile Apparently, our chat has become younger, misunderstood due to elementary ignorance of things in fact. smile
  25. +1
    19 July 2021 20: 49
    Quote: ABC-schütze
    And the USSR "lost" nothing to anyone. The USSR was ruined by mediocrities, and its people were betrayed.
    Absolutely true, it was! Sehr Interessanter Spitzname, Kollege! Unser Forum braucht manchmal Schutz! smile good
  26. 0
    28 September 2021 17: 15
    Shokin is a CIA agent, definitely. The author did not indicate that in the 80s the Intel-3000 series microcircuits were copied and on their basis they produced microcomputers of the SM-1634 series and TVSO (computing terminal for communication with the object) ...
  27. 0
    19 January 2023 14: 43
    "According to the recollections of people who are not related to military technologies, back in the early 90s, at training and production plants, they were forced to recognize types of lamps by characteristic features (there was even a standard - to identify from two meters)"
    oh well, CPC in the 90s and lamps? Where is this crap going on? At our CPC in 87m, it’s quite EC 1035, EC 1045 were on integrated circuits, yes Agates are personal .. and, as a result, CPC - crusts for computer service. And in the 90s at the university (on the 3rd year of study) - Sparks 1030 (yes, not one, but a dozen). And in the apartments there are Temp 280 TVs on the PP .. Bad lamps?

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