119 rockets in the desert. China is building a new missile position area

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The area in which the construction is being carried out. Satellite image was taken before the start of work. Photo by Google Maps

China continues to develop its strategic nuclear forces and is taking impressive measures. Recently it became known that a new positioning area with a large number of silo launchers is under construction in Gansu province. As a result of this work, the Chinese missile forces will be able to deploy at least 120 new ballistic missiles.

View from space


About the largest construction in the newest stories PLA missile forces recently reported by the James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies at California's The Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey (MIIS). Its specialists studied satellite images of the Chinese territory from Planet Labs, taken at the end of June, and found previously absent objects on them.



The activity of the Chinese military is observed in two lowland desert regions of the province. Gansu. The first of them is located several tens of kilometers west of Yumen (coordinates 40 ° 15'34.1 "N 96 ° 30'00.2" E). An equally interesting object is located between the city and the positioning area - one of the largest Chinese wind farms. The second part of construction is being carried out on the site to the south (40 ° 02'11.3 "N 96 ° 28'21.4" E); this object has a different configuration.

The January satellite imagery reportedly did not show any desert activity. However, already in March a sufficiently developed road network appeared there. Finally, photographs from the end of June show the presence of construction sites on which work is underway. American analysts have counted 119 such objects. The pitches are distributed on a grid at a distance of approx. 3-3,5 km apart. At the same time, the selected area is not completely covered by objects: there are gaps in the grid due to the relief.


The current state of the area. The marks indicate construction sites that are indistinguishable on this scale. Photo MIIS

On some of the sites, construction is carried out without observing secrecy. Round pits of unknown depth are already observed on them. At other facilities, pre-fabricated shelters in the form of a semi-rigid dome measuring 50x70 m have been installed. Apparently, this is necessary to protect an important construction site from external influences and from prying eyes.

Similar processes with the emergence of pits and the deployment of shelters have been repeatedly observed in recent years. In all cases, after removing the camouflage, the head of the silo launcher remained on the site. From this it is concluded that in prov. Gansu, the construction of a missile force position area is underway.

Earlier in March of this year, it was reported that another positioning area was being created in the area of ​​Wuhai (Inner Mongolia). Satellite images then counted 16 construction sites, each of which may contain a mine. Thus, over the next few years, the PLA missile forces will be able to put on alert up to 130-140 stationary complexes with missiles of different classes and types - in addition to those already deployed.


One of the construction sites equipped with a shelter. Photo MIIS

Missile potential


To date, the PLA has built quite numerous and well-developed missile forces, which are a full-fledged component of the strategic nuclear forces. The construction of this type of troops is carried out using available technologies and on the basis of their own ideas. At the same time, development is being carried out with some regard for the Soviet experience, which can be observed in some of the processes.

According to known data, at present, the missile forces have at least 10 brigades armed with intercontinental-range complexes. 18 brigades are armed with medium-range missiles, 3 - with short-range systems. At least two missile brigades are equipped with cruise missile systems.

The PLA has ballistic missiles of all major classes, including intercontinental ones. The presence of complexes with differing characteristics makes it possible to effectively carry out nuclear deterrence on a regional and strategic scale.

According to The Military Balance 2021, more than 100 ICBMs of several types, both obsolete and newest, are on duty. Complexes in stationary and mobile versions are used, and it is the mobile ones that have been the focus of attention lately. The MRBM class includes almost 300 missiles on duty; more than 100 of them have non-nuclear combat equipment. Cruise missiles and short-range complexes are not equipped with nuclear warheads.

119 rockets in the desert. China is building a new missile position area

DF-26 complexes with medium-range missiles. Photo Globalsecurity.org

Thus, the land component of China's strategic nuclear forces includes approx. 300 ICBMs and MRBMs on alert. The number of deployed warheads is unknown. According to various sources, Chinese missiles have monoblock and multiple warheads, but there is no more accurate information. It is obvious that a warehouse stock of missiles and warheads for them has also been created.

Strategic perspective


Several years ago, the PLA adopted the newest Dongfeng-41 ICBM with a firing range of at least 12-14 thousand km. Such products can be used as part of mobile soil and stationary mine complexes. The mobile version of the DF-41 has already been shown at parades several times, and the silos, for obvious reasons, remain secret.

Foreign publications suggest that the construction of new positioning areas near Wuhai and Yumen is associated precisely with the transition to modern Dongfeng-41 missiles. Accordingly, the command plans to continue operating the PGRK with such weapons and simultaneously place these products in mines. The use of a single missile in mines and on mobile complexes has certain advantages, and the PLA plans to get them.

In the current processes of building the missile forces, numbers and their ratio are of great interest. It is known that on duty builds about 300 nuclear missiles, and about a third of this number belongs to the intercontinental class. At the same time, the construction of two positional areas (in Gansu and in Inner Mongolia), at least 135 missiles, is underway.


DF-26 on exercises in one of the deserted regions of the country. CCTV Photo

An elementary calculation shows that only due to the new stationary objects that have gained prominence in recent years, the PLA will be able to increase the number of deployed ICBMs and MRBMs by 40%. If the new silos are used for intercontinental missiles, their total number can be more than doubled. It should not be forgotten that the DF-41 and other missiles can also be operated in a mobile version.

The area chosen for the deployment of missiles is of great importance. Prov. Gansu is remote from the western, southern and eastern borders of China. Thanks to this, the probability of hitting new targets with enemy tactical weapons is reduced to almost zero. At the same time, the long range of modern ICBMs will make it possible to strike at the main targets even from such an area.

Foreign experts suggest that not all new mines can be equipped with real missiles. There is a possibility that some of the launchers will be left empty. They will create the appearance of a massive deployment of ICBMs, as well as serve as false targets that increase the safety of installations on real duty.

Such a military trick would reduce the maximum possible number of combat-ready missiles. However, the current state of the Chinese missile forces is such that several dozen new ICBMs and MRBMs are capable of dramatically increasing their combat effectiveness and deterrent potential.


Modern PGRK "Dongfeng-41" at the parade. Photo by the Ministry of Defense of the People's Republic of China / 81.cn

From the available data, it follows that construction near Yumen started only a few months ago, and since then, it has been possible to launch the construction of 119 new mines. How the construction is progressing, what is hidden under the shelters and when it will be possible to complete the work is unknown. The known pace of construction suggests that the new positioning area in the prov. Gansu will be prepared in the coming years. The combat duty of the new mine complexes may begin as early as the middle of the decade.

Development continues


Thus, the current program for the construction of new facilities opens up the widest opportunities for the PLA missile forces. They will be able to increase the number of modern missile systems on alert and provide some increase in their survivability and stability. Using systems of the latest models, China will be able to create a full-fledged strategic threat to the main potential adversaries - and provide the required level of nuclear deterrence.

However, the quantitative and qualitative consequences of the current construction will not appear immediately. China has to complete the construction of a large number of new facilities that are not distinguished by simplicity. Also, the industry will have to make the required number of missiles for duty and for stock. With the successful solution of such tasks, China will be able to move closer to the world leaders in the field of strategic nuclear weapons. However, the timing and price of this is still unknown.
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  1. -30
    11 July 2021 03: 11
    119 rockets in the desert. China is building a new missile position area
    For God's sake. We had such areas ... And they helped us? fool
    1. +9
      11 July 2021 03: 55
      Dombarovsky and Yasny, our southern division, I won't say how much the mines cost there, even though the secret ended 10 years ago. Thanks to them you live now Yes My friend built them. Of course, there were no combat launches, but I saw a launch from the Dnieper bunker, and a couple of years later there was another rocket over the city. Believe me, if you saw it ... I would understand how much they help ... even the windows in the houses were shaking
      1. +5
        11 July 2021 13: 08
        Quote: Split
        Dombarovsky and Yasny, our southern division, I won't say how much the mines cost there, even though the secret ended 10 years ago.

        It's also a secret to me, it's easy to count them even on publicly available satellite images.
      2. +1
        12 July 2021 21: 37
        While we were blowing up our silos, they did not cut anything, and now they are even building new ones! Science for the future for us. While we are reducing 1d1 with the Americans, they are increasing their arsenals. Therefore, nothing can be further reduced! Not one rocket, not one silo, not one aircraft!
    2. +15
      11 July 2021 04: 30
      At the last congress of the CPC, a decision was announced to bring YABB on strategic carriers to 1000 units. And it seems to me that this is only the first stage.
      This means strategic-range ICBMs and SLBMs.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      We had such areas

      It was, and now, thank God, they stayed.
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      ... And did they help us?

      Help to this day. In fact, the only insurance against the crazy initiatives of "partners".
      So China decided that it was time for it.
      They have got a very good ICBM "Dongfeng-41", it has up to 10 BB and a range of up to 16 km.
      China is not bound by any limiting treaties.
      And I do not intend to bind myself. He knows the price of contracts with the Anglo-Saxons well - from the Opium Wars.
      Therefore, the figures that are now being voiced are just the very beginning of a new race for leadership.
      1. Lad
        -1
        11 July 2021 10: 50
        Well, tell us here how they helped when, in 1991, the border moved one and a half thousand kilometers to the east and the same to the north? Did you help a lot? How many missiles were used then? How many bombs did you drop? How many shells were fired? Well, at least how many bullets were fired? There is only one answer to all questions: zero. It turns out that rockets are not at all the main thing. There are more important things. But pseudo-patriots cannot know this. And they will not understand this. But with the next pushing back of the borders, they will again blink in surprise.
        1. +13
          11 July 2021 13: 17
          Quote: Lad
          Well, tell us here how they helped when, in 1991, the border moved one and a half thousand kilometers to the east and the same to the north?

          What do you know / remember about this year?
          Was there a nuclear missile attack on us?
          Or did the enemy ground army attack us?
          Not .
          It's just that a certain part of the communists - the upper part of them, wanted to become capitalists, privatize the nation's wealth and become its rightholders with the right of inheritance.
          And they did it. bully
          And the instrument of this transformation was the party apparatus and the KGB of the USSR. Yes
          So what does the Army and its Strategic Missile Forces have to do with it? soldier
          They both served before the coup and continued.
          And when the nouveau riche finished the redistribution of property and realized that this property and their interests must be protected ... they also remembered about the Army.
          And they began to strengthen it. feel
          As best they could.
          And as they understood.
          By the hands of Serdyukov.
          And then Shoigu.
          And the Strategic Missile Forces is like "Colt" in cowboy showdowns - "The Great Equalizer".
          It stabilizes.
          But it doesn't save you from suicide.
          Quote: Lad
          How many missiles were used then? How many bombs did you drop? How many shells were fired? Well, at least how many bullets were fired?

          A lot. They fly here and there to this day.
          For example, in the Donbass.
          Only all this ammunition was spent in the course of approving the results of the division of territories and the redistribution of property.
          And how much remains to be spent ...
          Quote: Lad
          in 1991, the border moved one and a half thousand kilometers to the east and the same to the north?

          lol The borders have not moved anywhere.
          They stand rooted to the spot.
          You will not assert that the Russian Federation is the USSR, to which the borders have been "moved"?
          The division took place along the administrative borders, although they were set arbitrarily and often unfairly, by the Bolsheviks in the 20s and 30s.
          The borders of the Russian Federation have moved only from the side of China.
          In favor of China.

          So we did everything ourselves, high treason is the result of free choice and a manifestation of the will of the ruling elites.
          1. +2
            13 July 2021 11: 39
            Good answer, but
            administrative, although they were established arbitrarily and often unfairly, the Bolsheviks in the 20s - 30s

            That's why administrative, that there is no injustice, just then the boundaries were set because there was no difference, they were set to govern, and not divide and rule.
            The borders of the Russian Federation have moved only from the side of China.
            In favor of China

            There it moved half the river, because the Republic of Ingushetia drew a border along the Chinese coast, then China had no time for that, and then the USSR and the PRC did not make a difference either (before the arrival of the corn-grower, then the Chinese realized that it was unreliable to be friends with such comrades, therefore it was necessary to decide, after 91 Russia became weak enough for the Chinese to take what they need)
        2. 0
          12 July 2021 23: 10
          It turns out that rockets are not at all the main thing. There are more important things.

          As a well-known character used to say, "There are no trifles in our business."
          Rockets become unimportant when they are. Things that become more important than missiles in the absence of missiles from the apponent are simply not needed .. When there are no missiles, then the country will face the fate of Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria or Libya. No one will crawl on their knees in front of a squishy or persuade an intractable person if there is an unconditional trump card in the form of strength.
    3. +9
      11 July 2021 04: 48
      They helped ... until no one dared to attack our country.
      But thanks to traitors like Gorbachev and Yeltsin, such a risk arose during their rule.
      1. +2
        11 July 2021 06: 50
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        thanks to such traitors as Gorbachev and Yeltsin, such a risk arose

        It is sad, but not the fact that this cannot be repeated.
        1. -5
          11 July 2021 17: 25
          It will not happen again ... there is "party policy" ... Putin looks too good at his age. And for 21 years the policy has not changed, Russia rose from the ashes of the 80-90s. I consider Shoigu to be the receiver of the BB ... A humpback can write anything, etc., he did not succeed, I myself remember how in the 80s he stood with coupons for bread as a kid. And right now I'm too lazy to go to the store and buy, order. No matter how many opponents of BB there were - under his rule, I began to live better, not ideal ... but at least there is something to eat and drink. All who are against - have grown up in our time, and do not know when you have nothing to eat at all! You drink vinegar to somehow dull your hunger ...
      2. +1
        13 July 2021 20: 14
        Yes, the war is almost on the doorstep, is it really not visible ?!
    4. -20
      11 July 2021 06: 17
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      For God's sake. We had such areas ... And they helped us?

      No, they didn't. There was such a country, the USSR, and fragments remained from it. If there were even more missiles, the USSR would have collapsed even earlier.
      1. +13
        11 July 2021 07: 25
        No, they didn’t help. There was such a country, the USSR, and fragments remained from it. If there were even more missiles, the USSR would have collapsed even earlier.

        A very vivid statement from a citizen of a country that 75 years ago was not yet on the maps of the world, the latter appeared precisely thanks to the Soviet Union.
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            1. -11
              11 July 2021 11: 29
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Of course Israel is the receiver of Judah who fell at the time of the birth of Christ! You are displaced by the fact that you speak a fictitious language, live with a fictitious ideology, etc. - this is normal!

              Aren't you embarrassed that you are screwing nonsense in spite of the fact that it hurts? request
              Ideology may be invented in our country, but unlike you we have it. Moreover, ideology is by definition a fictional thing. People.
              About the language supposedly not invented (by whom?). Our elementary school students without a dictionary can freely read and understand the Dead Sea Scrolls, which date back to the period from the XNUMXrd century BC. e.
              So no, nothing bothers me. Neither ideology nor language.

              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              However, what can you expect from ungrateful creatures! This concerns you personally, not the peoples of Israel.

              Why should I be grateful, CEP? I, unlike you, know the materiel. I am grateful to Trumpeldor and Jabotinsky for the creation of Israel. Gromyko for the WORD I do not feel gratitude. A lot of effort and courage is not required to admit a fait accompli. Now, if only then they helped. Why did they help ... They would not interfere from the 1920s to this day, and my gratitude would have no boundaries.

              I especially liked about:
              "The fact that not a single Western European state was able to ensure the protection of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and protect it from violence from the fascist executioners explains the desire of the Jews to create their own state.."
              The height of hypocrisy and cynicism. One might think that the USSR was able to ensure the protection of the elementary rights of the Jewish people and protect it from violence by the fascist executioners. A third of the victims of the Holocaust, more than 2 Jews were on the territory of the USSR.

              PS
              The peoples of Israel are you talking about the sons of Jacob? Maybe about Bnei Menashe or Bnei Yisrael?

              Stop trolling and don't get distracted from the article. hi
              1. +5
                11 July 2021 17: 32
                Well then, do not interfere, stop strikes on the territory of independent states, stop being puppets of the states ... As a Jew, I am half ashamed.
      2. +2
        11 July 2021 13: 05
        One splinter on your head would be the sea poured instead of the promised land, you sit, you emanate a snake with poison
        1. +1
          11 July 2021 18: 54
          Quote: Andrey VOV
          One splinter on your head would be the sea poured instead of the promised land, you sit, you emanate a snake with poison

          They just hate Russia. Fierce, black, burning hatred .. Why? Because it exists, it was not destroyed ... They think that Ukraine has been crushed under themselves, that everything has become
          Little Russia as a new kaganate ... They are mistaken ... Rus will shake their Khazars into dust, into ashes.
    5. 0
      20 July 2021 18: 49
      It was they who helped us
  2. +6
    11 July 2021 03: 40
    China will be able to move closer to the world leaders in the field of strategic nuclear weapons. However, the timing and price of this is still unknown.
    And China does not spread about this ... Builds on a sly, silently ...
  3. -13
    11 July 2021 03: 46
    The mobile version of the DF-41 has already been shown at parades several times, and the silos, for obvious reasons, remain secret.

    Secret so much that you can't bring to the parade good laughing Neighed loudly and stopped reading
  4. +5
    11 July 2021 03: 52
    Something about the Chinese missile defense system is not heard at all. But probably it is, - just the Chinese are silent about it.
    1. -11
      11 July 2021 04: 00
      Quote: riwas
      Something about the Chinese missile defense system is not heard at all. But probably it is, - just the Chinese are silent about it.

      What to say? request We bought the S-400.
      1. +5
        11 July 2021 04: 07
        What to say? request We purchased the S-400.

        Of course, the S-400 can intercept some ballistic missiles, but, for example, our missile defense system is based on completely different missiles.
        1. +4
          11 July 2021 09: 11
          Yes. But they shot down their own satellite in orbit. So they have something. Or they are about to appear.
    2. +1
      11 July 2021 09: 01
      Quote: riwas
      Something about the Chinese missile defense system is not heard at all. But probably it is, - just the Chinese are silent about it.

      There was a series of articles on VO, look, read.
    3. +3
      11 July 2021 13: 13
      Quote: riwas
      Something about the Chinese missile defense system is not heard at all. But probably it is, - just the Chinese are silent about it.

      China's missile defense
      https://topwar.ru/164767-protivoraketnaja-oborona-kitaja.html
  5. +2
    11 July 2021 05: 25
    With the successful solution of such tasks, China will be able to move closer to the world leaders in the field of strategic nuclear weapons. However, the timing and price of this is still unknown.

    Without entering into any INF Treaty and DSV ... Yes
    "Love yourself, sneeze at everyone and success awaits you in life!" (drawing number 13). As if specially invented for China.
    1. +2
      11 July 2021 05: 31
      There is a lot to learn from the Chinese Communist Party.
      1. -1
        11 July 2021 06: 50
        China in the style of Psaki, sent the USA with these satellite images. It is officially stated that the Americans were mistaken in taking the construction of foundations for wind power generators for the construction of silos !!! hi drinks
  6. +5
    11 July 2021 05: 43
    China is building a new missile position area

    Maybe he is building, but in the pictures presented in this article there is an obvious disinformation. Ground silos do not have this. By and large, the article is "about nothing", which unfortunately for this author has become commonplace.
  7. -3
    11 July 2021 06: 25
    With such a "square-nested" launcher arrangement, the Chinese will succeed in what the Americans failed to do.
    They can connect them with underground Zh.D. tunnels and secretly move missiles from one to another. A kind of underground BZHRK.
    1. +2
      11 July 2021 15: 59
      How do you imagine operating in narrow tunnels with a twenty-meter rocket, loading from a narrow horizontal tunnel into a narrow vertical silo? And most importantly, why do this underground? The exit of the silos cannot be hidden anyway.
      1. 0
        11 July 2021 18: 40
        For loading and unloading, you need to portray something in the form of additional. volumes.
        But why - everything is transparent here. More precisely, ghostly.
        According to naval intelligence, the missile is now in the same silo.
        But for tomorrow, the intelligence does not know that the rocket was relocated 25 km away to a completely different burrow .. And whether this was a real rocket or a practical one, only Uncle Xi knows
        1. -1
          11 July 2021 19: 12
          Quote: U-58
          But for tomorrow, the intelligence does not know that the rocket was relocated 25 km away to a completely different burrow .. And whether this was a real rocket or a practical one, only Uncle Xi knows

          Nothing prevents you from doing such a maneuver on the surface. The missiles are loaded into the mines into the TPK. What is inside from space is not visible.
          But this is not the point, but the extreme danger of such hide-and-seek games. They, unnecessarily, destabilize the situation, violently provoke an increase in nuclear potential, and ultimately increase the chances of a world massacre.
  8. -1
    11 July 2021 06: 46
    I wonder how expensive it is to create the Chukotka-Anadyr positional area? Considering that the distance from Anadyr to Los Angeles is less than 5500 km, it would be possible to place an unlimited number of MRBMs (the agreement is kirdyk!) (And Cuba should not be strained).
    1. +4
      11 July 2021 07: 37
      Quote: mark1
      Anadyr to Los Angeles less than 5500 km

      The point is to place the rocket as close as possible so that there is less time. And 5000 km is too much against what the United States can accommodate in Europe
      1. -1
        11 July 2021 08: 12
        What the United States can place in Europe is a separate song in which the saddest thing is for us and Europe, and the deployment of an unlimited number of medium-range missiles threatening half of the US territory and almost all of Canada on practically uninhabited territory, is already a song about how sad it will be to their dear ones, but we don't care.
        And the flight time ... - we will apply the "Vanguard" planning block, if in this particular case it is so important to you.
        1. -1
          11 July 2021 09: 04
          Quote: mark1
          placement on a practically uninhabited territory

          And not just uninhabited, but also extremely inaccessible and with an extremely unpleasant climate.
          1. Lad
            -2
            11 July 2021 10: 40
            And because in that area it will be extremely difficult to protect these mines. They will be cut off from the places where everything is concentrated: people, parts, roads ...
    2. 0
      11 July 2021 10: 03
      Perhaps the problem is the stability of mines in permafrost conditions. After all, even under the USSR, mines were not built beyond the Arctic Circle, although they are a couple of thousand kilometers closer to the States.
  9. +2
    11 July 2021 09: 19
    Thus, over the next few years, the PLA missile forces will be able to put on alert up to 130-140 stationary complexes with missiles of different classes and types - in addition to those already deployed.
    They walk wide, and most importantly, they are not afraid to tear their pants ...
  10. +9
    11 July 2021 09: 54
    And why not a single comment flashed the suggestion that China, quite possibly, in its strategic plans considers the possibility of a conflict not only with the United States, but also with Russia? In 1969, they had nothing, by and large, to resist the USSR, and nevertheless they rock the boat. And when they feel a weighty club in their hands, will they try again? What do you think, colleagues?
    1. -2
      11 July 2021 10: 34
      I think that the wise monkey remains the monkey. The monkey has a plan: in 10 thousand years, all the sherkhans and all the tobacco will "move their horses."
      War, if it happens, then each of the three will have to destroy one and finish off the other.
    2. Lad
      0
      11 July 2021 10: 57
      And in 1969, China not only "rock the boat" but (no matter how you turn) and achieved its goal. I remember how furious we were then (the entire population). How nearly everyone was eager to go to the front. As our press screamed that we will die, but we will not give up an inch of land. How they praised our technological superiority and laughed at China's backwardness. And after a few months, everything suddenly instantly ... quieted down. Everyone was sure that we had taken the island. And only after many years we learned that the island was taken away by the Chinese anyway. Therefore, they drowned out all this unsuccessful propaganda in the Soviet press. And this was when China was a village and a village. And now, God only knows how it might end.
      1. +5
        11 July 2021 15: 48
        Quote: Lad
        Everyone was sure that we had taken the island. And only after many years we learned that the island was taken away by the Chinese anyway.

        You specifically confuse everything. The Chinese were swept out of the island by Grads. They never returned there during the Soviet Union. Damansky Island was transferred to China in 1991 by Yeltsin. Now there is a museum of Chinese military glory.
      2. 0
        11 July 2021 17: 46
        Quote: Lad
        And now, God only knows how it might end.

        Now everyone knows how it will end. Question: how soon is the final.
    3. +1
      11 July 2021 15: 50
      Quote: OCefir
      when they feel a weighty club in their hands, will they try again? What do you think, colleagues?

      "A hundred years ago, Russia has already taken Vladivostok, Khabarovsk and Kamchatka from China. These are our territories, which are occupied today. This account has not yet been closed by us. Therefore, my personal opinion is that the Kuril Islands should be returned to Japan."
      Mao Zedong
  11. +1
    11 July 2021 11: 28
    Quote: Lad
    defending these mines will be extremely difficult.

    It is in this area that it is much easier to defend missiles. No spies or saboteurs can get there unnoticed.
    1. 0
      11 July 2021 12: 06
      Quote: certero
      It is in this area that it is much easier to defend missiles. No spies or saboteurs can get there unnoticed.

      How will the defenders get there?
      And the builders.
      And how to bring there building materials, machinery, equipment, actually rockets?
      How to keep it all in working order.
      Anyway, will you personally go to live in such a locality? your wife? Children?
      That's just it, the area is uninhabited because it is impossible to live there.
  12. 0
    11 July 2021 14: 31
    They will not build. They will steal money. We have Vostochny cosmodrome, how many billions have you eaten? How many worthy "people have bought real estate in Miami, working hard at this construction site. Now the money has run out. There has been a pause. We will finish it not in this century, but in the next one."
  13. 0
    11 July 2021 14: 31
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Anyway, will you personally go to live in such a locality?

    Just like our rocket men drove and are going
  14. 0
    11 July 2021 20: 23
    The Chinese have already explained that these are foundations for wind turbines.
  15. 0
    12 July 2021 05: 11
    Quote: Lad
    Well, tell us here how they helped when, in 1991, the border moved one and a half thousand kilometers to the east and the same to the north? Did you help a lot? How many missiles were used then? How many bombs did you drop? How many shells were fired? Well, at least how many bullets were fired? There is only one answer to all questions: zero. It turns out that rockets are not at all the main thing. There are more important things. But pseudo-patriots cannot know this. And they will not understand this. But with the next pushing back of the borders, they will again blink in surprise.


    Chinese missiles in Gansu are far from the eastern seas of China, but close to Russia and my Altai Territory. We have ICBMs in Altai, but they do not threaten China, and the Chinese MRBMs completely penetrate the whole of Siberia
  16. -2
    12 July 2021 05: 14
    Quote: Spiridonovich2
    They will not build. They will steal money. We have Vostochny cosmodrome, how many billions have you eaten? How many worthy "people have bought real estate in Miami, working hard at this construction site. Now the money has run out. There has been a pause. We will finish it not in this century, but in the next one."


    The Chinese are not you, good sir. The Chinese will not allow defense money to be plundered. Now is not the time of Empress Qi Xi.
    And our contractors will howl, cry and sob, but still steal. Though they were cut to death with steel rods, they would still steal government money. And we will not have the East.
  17. -1
    12 July 2021 05: 16
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    Quote: certero
    It is in this area that it is much easier to defend missiles. No spies or saboteurs can get there unnoticed.

    How will the defenders get there?
    And the builders.
    And how to bring there building materials, machinery, equipment, actually rockets?
    How to keep it all in working order.
    Anyway, will you personally go to live in such a locality? your wife? Children?
    That's just it, the area is uninhabited because it is impossible to live there.


    And how did our builders get to Franz Josef Land or to Fr. Wrangel? But the North Clover and the Arctic Shamrock were built there.
    You probably think in terms of Mao's times, as if the Chinese builders are worse than our Tajiks.
  18. -1
    12 July 2021 05: 18
    Quote: Passing by
    Quote: Lad
    Everyone was sure that we had taken the island. And only after many years we learned that the island was taken away by the Chinese anyway.

    You specifically confuse everything. The Chinese were swept out of the island by Grads. They never returned there during the Soviet Union. Damansky Island was transferred to China in 1991 by Yeltsin. Now there is a museum of Chinese military glory.


    You have a drunken Yeltsin instead of a head.

    The Chinese took Fr. Damansky in the same year, when they were hit from the Grad. And the USSR, although conditionally won, left the battlefield for the Chinese.
  19. 0
    12 July 2021 05: 20
    Quote: OCefir
    And why not a single comment flashed the suggestion that China, quite possibly, in its strategic plans considers the possibility of a conflict not only with the United States, but also with Russia? In 1969, they had nothing, by and large, to resist the USSR, and nevertheless they rock the boat. And when they feel a weighty club in their hands, will they try again? What do you think, colleagues?


    Personally, I assume that. For Russia does not have MRBMs to strike at China, while the Chinese have such MRBMs.
    It is from Gansu that the Chinese MRBMs can strike at any region of Siberia. And in Altai we have Yars and Poplar, which have a minimum range of 5500 km. - This is just so as not to fall on China.
  20. +1
    13 July 2021 11: 27
    And what is not destiny to show the map? Everyone knows where this uhay and gongan are ...
  21. 0
    16 July 2021 15: 37
    That is actually the answer to the question - who is China's enemy and who is not. The PRC is pressing its strategic forces to the northern border (in this case, however, to the border with Mongolia). Those. from the north, China does not expect a disarming strike by operational and tactical means. But it pushes the non-mobile component of the strategic nuclear forces as far as possible from the coast.
  22. 0
    20 July 2021 20: 36
    When viewed from space, it looks like a fragment of a position from the ancient Chinese game of Go.
    True, many refer to it as strategic)
  23. +1
    30 September 2021 19: 44
    It is not enough to build a mine and a missile. We must then keep them in working order. And this is money, money, money ... We built a thousand mines, and then they abandoned everything and blew it up. In China, corrupt officials are shot, but in our country they work in the state apparatus, the State Duma, etc. We put the SU-57 into service for ten years. The mace of 18 years was brought to mind, now we are busy with Sarmat, Armata will not go into the series in any way. China is moving towards the future, and we are towards the collapse of the country ...

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