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China lacks Mi-17 helicopters

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China lacks Mi-17 helicopters

China has ordered 55 Russian Mi-171 helicopters. This model is capable of carrying up to 37 passengers or four tons of cargo and is equipped with engines that are particularly effective in "hot and high-altitude" conditions. The deal is especially useful for Chinese people who need equipment that can work in Tibet (where many areas are at a height of more than 4000 meters above sea level). China is very pleased with the Mi-17 and the older Mi-8, from which the Mi-17 comes.


Last year, China signed a contract for licensed production of the Mi-171 on its territory, but still continues to buy them from Russia, as it takes time to create the corresponding production capacity, and China needs more military transport helicopters now. Currently, China has about Mi-300 helicopters around 171, and they are becoming standard transport helicopters for China. Ultimately, China will have more than a thousand Mi-171 helicopters.

Two years ago, Chinese and Russian manufacturers of helicopters created a joint venture that will be engaged in the maintenance and repair of helicopters, mainly Russian models. This is part of a larger plan, which also implies the construction of a Mi-171 manufacturing plant in China.

M-171 is an inexpensive transport helicopter. But it can be easily equipped with weapons or converted to perform any other specialized gear. Some of the Mi-171 were even equipped with radars and other sensors used for reconnaissance and surveillance.

The Mi-171 model is based on the Mi-17 model of the 1970 era, which is an export version of the similar Mi-8. It weighs about 12 tons and is capable of carrying up to four tons of cargo. The Mi-171 has a range of up to 590 kilometers at a cruising speed of 250 kilometers per hour. The crew consists of three people, the number of passengers is as much as it can squeeze into it (up to 40 people, but usually 20-30). Up to four tons of cargo can be transported on an external sling.

Russia exported several hundred Mi-171. This helicopter is durable, inexpensive ($ 4-5 million each) and is better suited for poor countries. The development of this model was completed in the 1998 year, and Russia is actively promoting it to international markets.

Four years ago, Russia and China signed an agreement under which China pledged to stop stealing Russian military technology. It seems that the main objective of the new agreement on "military-technical cooperation" was the intention to force China to stop exporting its copies of Russian equipment competing with Russian originals. The signing of this agreement immediately led to some interesting proposals in the field of helicopters. Russia agreed to sell China six anti-submarine helicopters Helix (Ka-27) with the possibility of their joint production. Meanwhile, the deal on the Mi-171 quickly turned into a Chinese factory for the production of the Mi-171.

A proposal was also made to jointly develop a large transport helicopter based on the existing Mi-26T (20-ton helicopter capable of carrying 80 passengers). There may be other joint proposals for the production of updated versions of existing Russian models of helicopters. Such projects can be mutually beneficial, and China now has an internal source of low-cost transport helicopters, which are so necessary in large quantities for their civil and military markets.
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  1. Apollo
    Apollo 5 September 2012 07: 33
    +9
    News means a kind to me a good slap in the USA..
    What is beneficial to the two countries is automatically detrimental to the United States ..
    1. tronin.maxim
      tronin.maxim 5 September 2012 07: 37
      +3
      I agree! And if you consider that China will order at least 500 cars, the money from this will be considerable!
      1. Igorboss16
        Igorboss16 5 September 2012 14: 33
        0
        yes there are a billion of them there, it’s not surprising that there isn’t enough wassat but I think they will turn to us for help
    2. Professor
      5 September 2012 08: 45
      -5
      And how did you manage to bring America here? One country buys a license for the production of 40-year-old helicopters while openly stealing technology, the other, due to the current circumstances, cannot offer anything more modern, and suddenly "a good slap in the face for America"?
      1. tronin.maxim
        tronin.maxim 5 September 2012 09: 06
        +3
        Quote: Professor

        And how did you manage to bring America here? One country buys a license for the production of 40-year-old helicopters while openly stealing technology, the other, due to the current circumstances, cannot offer anything more modern, and suddenly "a good slap in the face for America"?

        I do not agree with you! If our MI was old then it would not have bought half the world! Although it was made in the last century, it is relevant and sow the day! Even Americans praise what is unthinkable for them!
        1. Professor
          5 September 2012 09: 17
          -2
          Eight is one of my favorite helicopters, but this does not change the fact that it has been out of date for 40 years and that America has nothing to do with it.

          Americans praise only because of the price ratio (well, they are very cheap) and characteristics.
          1. tronin.maxim
            tronin.maxim 5 September 2012 09: 51
            +1
            Why change MI-8! The MI-8 lineup is perfect! Just change madification and avionics and that’s it! This is the same situation as with the MIG-31. He passed into the 5th generation with virtually no changes, only the avionics were replaced and they came up with additional weapons! And fizelyash and engines the same!
            1. Professor
              5 September 2012 10: 00
              0
              About the fifth generation had fun, but this is offtopic.
              What is the percentage of composites in Mi-8? And carbon fiber? Avionics is ancient. Ancient screws, etc. , we’ll start to change all this to the modern and nothing will remain of Mi-8.
              1. tronin.maxim
                tronin.maxim 5 September 2012 10: 46
                +2
                Yes, the same MI-8 will remain! Only the weight will decrease and the performance characteristics will be better, the appearance is the same! I just don’t understand why MI-8 carbon! Are you going to tune it? laughing
                1. Igorboss16
                  Igorboss16 5 September 2012 14: 37
                  0
                  Composites have only recently come to our production and there are not even specialists at KVZ to work with such technology, they will gradually implement it too, not all at once, and this will also affect the price
          2. Tjumenec72
            Tjumenec72 5 September 2012 09: 57
            +1
            Just this ratio (price-quality) makes it the best in its class. And when it was developed it does not matter (at least under the king of peas smile ).
            With regards to striped, they really have nothing to do with this topic - they themselves would not have sold anything.
          3. serjio777
            serjio777 5 September 2012 10: 48
            +3
            Professor Americans praise only because of the price ratio (well, they are very cheap) and characteristics

            Oh starved by golly wassat if the characteristics are on top, what else is needed for the transporter ??? And then what difference does it make when it is developed? Avionics can also be hung separately, if there is a desire. Sincerely.
            1. Professor
              5 September 2012 10: 55
              0
              Oh, I killed God, if the characteristics are at an altitude, then what else is needed for the transporter ???

              TTX of modern transporters significantly surpass the TTX Mi-8, but also the price too.
              1. Igorboss16
                Igorboss16 5 September 2012 14: 39
                +1
                well, at least one call a helicopter that is really better than MI, the apple did not make such statements
                1. VAF
                  VAF 5 September 2012 18: 28
                  +2
                  Quote: Igorboss16
                  well, at least one call a helicopter that is really better than MI


                  To date, this is not available, although ours is slightly inferior in speed, but in terms of other indicators it is much ahead of all possible competitors (Black Hawk, Super Puma, Italian E-101, Sikorsky S-92, etc.)

                  Really do not know what to get with the CH-148? But today the answer is unequivocal ... in our class our 8 matches .. BEST !!!

                  1. Denzel13
                    Denzel13 10 September 2012 15: 55
                    0
                    Sergey, Do not convince professors. He even has obvious facts, one opinion is American, which means the best, the rest is from the evil one.
                    Only here about the "antiquity" Professor one-sidedly judges (although from the American point of view, the very thing), we will not remember here how old the B-52 is? And we will not remember how many of them are still going to be exploited, otherwise someone else will be offended. Can the US Air Force use "junk"?
                    1. Professor
                      10 September 2012 15: 58
                      +1
                      And here the trolls pulled themselves together hi
                2. Professor
                  5 September 2012 23: 28
                  -1
                  well, at least one call a helicopter that is really better than MI, the apple did not make such statements

                  at least see how much blackhawk weighs and how much cargo it carries
          4. VAF
            VAF 5 September 2012 17: 36
            +1
            Quote: Professor
            Americans praise only because of the price ratio (well, they are very cheap) and characteristics.


            Dear professor, I put the article minus but not for you, you are here +!
            I understand that you have absolutely nothing to do with it, because You always do your job perfectly!

            1. In the photo of the Mi-8AMT / Mi-171, not the Mi-171E, I attach the photo



            2. The price that is announced in the article does not correspond to reality, since these are prices for the period 2004-2005, provided that the "box" is from 200-2001.

            At the moment, the starting price in the basic configuration as E "starts at $ 12 million apiece, but all the other" bells and whistles "are already for a fee, by the way, the cargo ramp is the same (I'm talking about my photo).

            3. The exact same thing about the cabin, either the old or the new model ... here in this photo is already with the new cabin and in the Mi-171ESH version ..... photo ....



            Well, for everything else, as I said, you are a plus! good
            1. Professor
              5 September 2012 22: 45
              0
              1: The fact that in the photo of Mi-171 I know, it is also discussed in the article.
              2. Prices for Mi-8 vary significantly.
              The cost of the Mi-17 varies widely. Some used helicopters from Eastern Europe cost less than a million dollars each. Iraq recently received a Mi-22 17 helicopter from Russia for about 3.7 million dollars each. At some point, the US bought 24 repaired Mi-17 for $ 4.4 million each. The most expensive purchase was the 22's Mi-17, equipped with American electronics for night operations. They cost about $ 15 million each.
              Why the US Army is the main buyer of Russian helicopters
        2. VAF
          VAF 5 September 2012 17: 51
          0
          Quote: tronin.maxim
          I do not agree with you! If our MI were old


          Dear Maxim, you are wrong here!

          Where did you read that the professor called the Mi-8 old ???

          He wrote very competently that the design of the Mi-8 helicopter was designed precisely in the 70s and nothing more!

          You write everything else correctly, but the professor answered you very competently ... value for money, quality and technical capabilities!

          Americans, unlike us, are more pragmatic and if it’s really good, they admit it, although they will bite their teeth, etc., but such things as, for example, when we discuss articles on the Raptor or the F-35 are engaged!

          I also think that our MTVs and AMTs are very good cars, but that doesn't mean that you can't express thoughts that run counter to the "patriotic course"?

    3. VAF
      VAF 5 September 2012 17: 40
      0
      Quote: Apollon
      News for me means a kind of good slap in the USA ..


      Apollo, the news is really good for the Ulan-Uda plant, but about the rest .... I doubt it very much! +!

      You can take my word for it that the helicopter companies of Amers, the Italians, have no problems with the sale and supply of their helicopters ... they do not!
  2. Bumerang
    Bumerang 5 September 2012 07: 36
    0
    Well, what can you say?Myis a classic for export.
  3. awg75
    awg75 5 September 2012 07: 55
    +1
    a good car is in good demand, but Russia needs to produce more of this equipment
  4. ... in motu
    ... in motu 5 September 2012 08: 22
    +3
    In the light of recent harsh statements (USA-China) - it is logical. I am glad that ours were able to SAVE the production of helicopters. News plus.
  5. andrey-tse
    andrey-tse 5 September 2012 08: 53
    0
    The main thing is that our on time can design another bestseller (and preferably more)
  6. afire
    afire 5 September 2012 09: 00
    0
    for something, after all, you need to live and develop a new one OUR and old people proven to sell. Well done)
  7. 77bor1973
    77bor1973 5 September 2012 09: 16
    +2
    Americans have been producing Chinook for 50 years and are happy with nothing.
    1. crazyrom
      crazyrom 5 September 2012 23: 57
      0
      Quote: 77bor1973
      Americans have been producing Chinook for 50 years and are happy with nothing.


      They have been releasing it for 50 years, not because they are satisfied, but because there is not enough brain for more. He is terribly small (about 40 people there it is better not to stutter), and twin-screw. Chances of engine failure = squared, zero maneuverability.
  8. lakt2008
    lakt2008 5 September 2012 11: 36
    +2
    The action is called support a potential opponent ....
    1. koosss
      koosss 5 September 2012 16: 01
      0
      they also sold a production license (
  9. crazyrom
    crazyrom 5 September 2012 23: 54
    0
    Quote: article
    the number of passengers is as much as it can squeeze into (up to 40 people, but usually 20-30)


    This is China! They are probably people there on 50-60 fly, out of habit lol
  10. kepler421b
    kepler421b 3 October 2014 11: 09
    0
    Quote: tronin.maxim
    I agree! And if you consider that China will order at least 500 cars, the money from this will be considerable!

    again, everything will be paid in dollars, and for this the Americans will pat us on the back.