Ukrainian media: the Battle of Poltava turned into a victory for Sweden

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Kivshenko A. Surrender of the Swedish army. Reproduction of the painting.

312 years ago, on July 8 (old style June 27), 1709, the army of the Swedish king Charles XII suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of the Russian army near Poltava. The fiasco of Swedish ambitions led to a significant strengthening of the Russian Empire, which, as a result of the war with Sweden, gained access to the Baltic Sea, founded the new capital - St. Petersburg.

According to the Ukrainian publicist Svetlana Shevtsova, at first glance, the defeat at Poltava put an end to stories Sweden as a European superpower, but in the end the Swedes won. It was the Battle of Poltava that turned the page in the history of the kingdom and became the starting point for the transformation of Sweden into a neutral, comfortable and wealthy country.



Refusal of sovereign ambitions, according to Shevtsova, benefited the Kingdom of Sweden. Gradually Sweden went through the “traumatic experience of Poltava”, the loss of Finland, and from the XNUMXth century it became a neutral state.

The country did not participate in the First and Second World Wars, due to which it was able to focus on solving social problems and turn into a very prosperous country even in comparison with other developed European countries.

Shevtsova writes that in Sweden the spirit of its former greatness has long faded away, and the Swedes are proud not of a heroic military past, but of a well-fed socially oriented present. For example, in Swedish museums, the main place is now occupied not by military history, but by social topics.

True, it is not entirely clear to whom the message of the Ukrainian publicist is addressed. Either she is trying to convince Russia with such a comparison that it is time for her to abandon her sovereign ambitions, or she reassures the Ukrainians that having resigned themselves to the loss of Crimea and Donbass, Kiev will be able to build a socially and economically prosperous state.
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  1. +7
    July 9 2021
    True, it is not entirely clear to whom the message of the Ukrainian publicist is addressed. Either she is trying to convince Russia with such a comparison that it is time for her to abandon her sovereign ambitions, or she reassures the Ukrainians that having resigned themselves to the loss of Crimea and Donbass, Kiev will be able to build a socially and economically prosperous state.

    In any case, first there will be a fight, and then we'll see whose statehood will end.
    1. +11
      July 9 2021
      “Thank you to the Swede for the victory,” the Ukrainians said to the Swedes for qualifying from the group at Euro 2020 (the Swedes beat the Poles, which dragged the Ukrainians out of the group with 3 points by the ears) and then to the quarterfinals, after the defeat of the Swedes to the Ukrainians in 1/8. Respect was expressed to the Swedes. The Swedes lost at Euro 2020 and near Poltava, but great. laughing
      1. +3
        July 9 2021
        And the peak of this very "Swedish victory" for Karlushka on the 12th was Kalabalyk ...

        I am amazed that the author of the article did not say a word about this "Swedish triumph" ...
        1. -1
          July 9 2021
          What is so good about today's Ukrainian alternative history? The fact that her reckless "discoverers" deliver many minutes of laughter normal people! And laughter prolongs life! Of course, Shevtsova is far from Bebik and Vyatrovich, but still - she opened it !!! And it is quite "far" (to make fun of) these laughing clowns to a serious this historian - academician Tolochko.
          1. +1
            July 9 2021
            Absolutely no laughing matter. If a Russian site of a military-ratriotic orientation is putting up for discussion, and it is doubly offensive. That you are also DISCUSSING this nonsense !!!
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            2. -1
              July 9 2021
              Quote: Seeker
              Absolutely no laughing matter. If a Russian site of a military-ratriotic orientation is putting up for discussion, and it is doubly offensive. That you are also DISCUSSING this nonsense !!!

              And I sincerely feel sorry for other people who are too blinkered, tense and completely devoid of a sense of humor!

              Relax and live easier! By the way, no one forces you to go to topics that are disgusting to you and read comments ... Or do you just need to frolic? smile
      2. -3
        July 9 2021
        Scoundrels after all, these non-brothers!

        If they liked the long-term effect of the Battle of Poltava so much, then it would be nice for the pan-headed pigs to become a small (without the Left Bank) peaceful, neutral state themselves.
    2. -1
      July 9 2021
      if there is a fight and not a fight, then there will be few satisfied with the results of events on this side of the ocean_well, if only for the great Chinese
      1. +6
        July 9 2021
        Maybe Ukraine can become a neutral state?
        And in kind it is not necessary, and they will become a well-fed state.
        Just take into account that it took Sweden almost 300 years, bear with it and there will be happiness.
        1. +5
          July 9 2021
          Quote: smith 55
          Maybe Ukraine can become a neutral state?
          And in kind it is not necessary, and they will become a well-fed state.
          Just take into account that it took Sweden almost 300 years, bear with it and there will be happiness.

          In fairness, I must say that the Battle of Poltava was not the end of the Russian-Swedish wars and, in general, the Swedish claims to dominance, at least in the Baltic Sea region.
          It all ended after 100 years. The defeat of the Swedes and the transition of Finland to the rule of the Russian Empire. At the same time, the Russians showed the Swedes that they could take Stockholm "eslicho" smile , namely, they crossed to the Swedish coast at Norrtälje, just a few tens of kilometers from Stockholm.
          Horror + hysteria in the Swedish capital rose indescribable. The Swedes themselves overthrew their king and urgently chose a new one, who made peace.
          Under the slogan: Usse sho want, just do not come to fight in Sweden itself ...
          Such were the European affairs of those years.

          Beer named after Johan Sandels, the protagonist of that war, is still produced in Finland. In fact, he was the only real military leader who won victories from the Swedish side.
          1. +2
            July 9 2021
            At the same time, the Russians showed the Swedes that they could take Stockholm "eslicho"
            The gates in St. Sophia of Novgorod seem to hint that our Swedes were shown repeatedly and for the first time much earlier wassat
        2. 0
          July 9 2021
          Maybe Ukraine can become a neutral state?
          we have a few healthy-minded politicians talking about this. But their voice is drowning in the general din of jingoistic patriotism.
    3. +1
      July 9 2021
      One of the roads leading to the current prosperity of Sweden began near Poltava "..
      ...
      "Being forced to abandon expansionist policies and claims to the role of a great power, Sweden has never fought with anyone since 1809 and has become a cozy and safe country, whose inhabitants enjoy the broadest political and social rights and a high standard of living."
      Peter Englund. Swedish historian, publicist.
      1. 0
        July 10 2021
        Didn't the Swedes fight in the Sixth Coalition?
    4. 0
      July 10 2021
      Sweden became a cozy and neutral country only after another "zrada" following the results of the war of 1809, having lost Suomi and the Aland Islands.
  2. +8
    July 9 2021
    Sweden "did not participate" in the war because unique high-tech industries were created there, in particular, bearings. Trade routes passed through Sweden. "Neutral" Sweden has always been anti-Russian. Now part of Russia has also been made anti-Russian.
    1. 0
      July 9 2021
      Quote: iouris
      Sweden "did not participate" in the war because unique high-tech industries, in particular, bearings, were created there.

      Which were supplied to Nazi Germany.
  3. +4
    July 9 2021
    For example, in Swedish museums, the main place is now occupied not by military history, but by social topics.
    .
    The flagship of the fleet "Vasa" of His Majesty Gustav Vasa, located in the Stockholm Museum, was now very surprised ...
    1. +2
      July 9 2021
      The flagship of the fleet "Vasa" of His Majesty Gustav Vasa, located in the Stockholm Museum, was now very surprised ...


      So you don't need to drown at your own pier without a fight and without sailing, intact and brand new ... laughing ... You can say "born for a museum ..." It was a sin not to lift if such a rarity was lying right under your feet.
      But Peter's sword in the Poltava Museum really surprised - not every man can take away such a huge scrap, not that he can wave it. laughing
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  5. +5
    July 9 2021
    News from the land of the sore brain, one better than the other! You read and do not even know what to say, there were some cookies.
    1. +1
      July 9 2021
      At Hitler's headquarters, everyone is a little sick ©
  6. +12
    July 9 2021
    Only finally, this refusal occurred a century later, and under another dynasty. And before that, only we with Sweden had two more wars, which she successfully lost. And the Northern War lasted another 12 years. So Poltava was far from a decisive factor in the formation of "Swedish pacifism". And it hardly occurred to the Swedes themselves to count Poltava its victory.
    1. +1
      July 9 2021
      So they impose the idea that if they lost to Napoleon or Hitler, then everyone would be so cozy, neutral and would drink "Burgundy" or "Bavarian" ... You! We defeated the Swedes and the French Napoleonic and the Germans. And if you want "Kentucky bourbon", then we will find a way without "neutrality" ... For reparations, for example. Although it is better for a profitable interchange. We are peaceful people ...
  7. nnm
    +5
    July 9 2021
    Yes, also in the morning I read this article on ukroSMI, and was also surprised. Apparently, this is a series "... and now they would be drinking Bavarian!" performed by non-brothers.
    According to this logic, so that they would heal like Swedes, they have to rock the boat to the Crimea, get soup, lose 5-7 more regions and then that's it, here it is, the long-awaited wealth and bliss .... live happily ever after. And we will only envy them.
  8. -1
    July 9 2021
    Ukrainian zhurnaluh is roughly like a "British scientist", but really, why mention the three subsequent wars, these are such trifles.
  9. 0
    July 9 2021
    What you want to lick your ass. But they fought in the Second World War together, how many heroes were from Ukraine. What are you.
  10. 0
    July 9 2021
    This is an old topic. Articles about this were raised and written back in the 90s.

    In principle, just then there was an industrial revolution in Europe and the defeat of a poor northern country simply excluded it from most subsequent showdowns, including much stronger countries.
    Which is to some extent a bold plus.

    Before that, they wrote, she fought with Russia most often (more often the Turks), and with the rest endlessly ... (as by the way, and many others)
    How much effort did you spend ...
  11. 0
    July 9 2021
    ... Either she is trying to convince Russia with such a comparison that it is time for her to abandon her sovereign ambitions, or she reassures the Ukrainians that having resigned themselves to the loss of Crimea and Donbass, Kiev will be able to build a socially and economically prosperous state.

    Yes, as a bae, we seem to have not lost in any war now.
    So it is to their violent, so that they calm down. And instead of a war with neighbors, they finally got down to household chores.
  12. 0
    July 9 2021
    It was the Battle of Poltava that turned the page in the history of the kingdom and became the starting point for the transformation of Sweden into neutral

    Sweden has become neutral because no one needs it.
  13. -1
    July 9 2021
    Damn iron logic) Apparently the Germans were also terribly lucky at 45. And the defeat turned into a victory. What a fool God forgive me ...
  14. Gradually Sweden went through the "traumatic experience of Poltava", the loss of Finland

    ***
    So Ukraine must go through the "traumatic experience of Donbass" and the loss of Crimea ...
    ***
  15. 0
    July 9 2021
    Shevtsova writes that in Sweden the spirit of its former greatness has long faded away, and the Swedes are proud not of a heroic military past, but of a well-fed socially oriented present.
    This is the madam you must bring to every Ukrainian, but in the meantime you have to walk around the world with a "bag" and beg for alms.
  16. HAM
    0
    July 9 2021
    Of course, a rather strange logic about "victory": it turns out that Peter1 calmed the Swedes for centuries, deprived of any ambitions ..... the USSR also calmed Germany for decades ......... who else would have calmed the Americans for centuries ...
  17. -1
    July 9 2021
    A message of course to their local Nazis, so that they would calm down and not interfere with others from building Ukraine
  18. +3
    July 9 2021
    Basically, the author is right. If the Swedes or other heirs of the Vikings from Denmark or Norway had imperial ambitions, they could very well have historically built such a strong empire from Denmark, Norway, Sweden and Finland. Plus the Baltics. The mentality and languages ​​(Danish, Norwegian and Swedish) are very similar. Like Russian, Belarusian and Ukrainian. But it did not work out with the empire.
    1. -1
      July 9 2021
      Yeah, but for some reason the same Danes did not want to be subjects of the Swedish king at all, and the Swedes did not consider the Norwegians and Finns, and even more so the Baltic states, except as slaves. What kind of empire can emerge here? In fact, in a successful scenario like the Macedonian one: he seized it and now it is an "empire", but as soon as the ruler died, there are scraps. because there is no formative meaning of this empire.
  19. +1
    July 9 2021
    Svetlana Shevtsova does not know history at all.))))) The last war with the Swedes was in 1808-09.)))
    And during WWII, the Swedes were only formally neutral, actively helping the Germans.))))
  20. 0
    July 9 2021
    Quote: Canecat

    In any case, first there will be a fight, and then we'll see whose statehood will end.

    Everyone decides the hardships of their share "individually". The bear just goes to bed for the winter, and the elk, teeth chattering, gnaws frozen branches up to its belly in the snow, Crucian carp sleeps in the silt, and geese fly thousands of kilometers.
  21. 0
    July 9 2021
    For 7 years in Ukraine they did not grow wiser and did not understand that they were bred as the last suckers by the Bandera supporters together with the EU and the USA, they will never grow wiser. They want to be lackeys of the West - they are like a tablecloth, but only without the Russian lands, which under Potemkin and Catherine II were conquered by a Russian bayonet.
  22. -1
    July 9 2021
    I read the headline swearing, in general svidomye went berserk, they are talking such nonsense .. How much anger is in them. And when we cut off the pipe, they will generally howl.
  23. +4
    July 9 2021
    The Swedish king Karl XII was a completely crazy man in wars.
    "War maniac" - war for the sake of war. Peter I - also sick in the head - in comparison
    with Karl - State Winnie the Pooh laughing
    Two madmen fought.
    Russia after the death of Peter remained ruined with an empty treasury, Sweden after Charles too.
    1. -1
      July 10 2021
      The Northern War is not a whim of two maniacs, but a large-scale European conflict with a long history, where a number of European states tried to deprive Sweden of military and economic hegemony in the Baltic. The end result of this conflict was the laying of the Northern Streams and the largest port complex Ust-Luga. Yes, for this we had to sweat our ancestors, sleep firmly and rarely eat.
  24. 0
    July 10 2021
    Apparently I want to be like in Sweden, only the war does not allow to devour, in short, they are not full.

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