The Taliban delegation assured the Russian Foreign Ministry that the Taliban will not attack Russian diplomatic missions in Afghanistan

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Russia is interested in the fact that terrorist activity associated with the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan does not grow due to its spread to the countries of Central Asia. Also, the Russian Federation is concerned about possible attacks on Russian diplomats in Afghanistan, where more and more regions are coming under the control of the Taliban terrorist movement (banned in Russia).

The day before, a discussion of these and other related issues took place in Moscow, where a delegation from the said group arrived.



In total, the delegation of the Taliban leadership * will be in Russia during the visit for two days.

It became known that representatives of the Taliban leadership * assured the Russian Foreign Ministry that there would be no attacks on Russian diplomatic missions in Afghanistan.

However, questions remain. First, it is not entirely clear in what form these assurances are given. Orally? Secondly, the question is also to what extent the representatives of the Taliban leadership * who have arrived in Moscow can speak on behalf of the entire movement. Could it be that some of the Taliban * currents may have their own interests?

Nevertheless, the Russian side that arrived in Moscow warned against attacks in Afghanistan on Russian diplomats and pointed out the inadmissibility of violating the borders of Afghanistan's neighboring republics.

Recall that earlier in Tajikistan, 20 thousand reserve servicemen were mobilized on the personal order of President Emomali Rahmon. Also in Dushanbe, they asked the CSTO for help in exacerbating the situation near the borders of the republic. It should be noted that up to 90 percent of the length of the Afghan-Tajik border is already under the control of the Taliban *.
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  1. +21
    July 9 2021
    All this is strange, in Russia the Taliban have been declared terrorists and at the same time in the Kremlin they are negotiating with them. what
    1. +45
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Russia declared the Taliban terrorists and at the same time negotiating with them in the Kremlin

      Their interests are purely national and not related to the United States. Cooperation with them is another nail in the coffin of the American unipolar world. And the fact that the Taliban are considered terrorists is all relative. The United States and its allies are destroying thousands of civilians, and no one officially declares them terrorists.
      1. -7
        July 9 2021
        The Taliban have become very good at fighting, they are mastering the opening of the bases of the Afghan army ... there is a lot to learn from them.
        1. +3
          July 9 2021
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          opening the Afghan army bases masterfully ... there is a lot to learn from them.

          These are those whom the minke whales trained, supplied, and so on, complete ... guano, or rather, they just worked for money, without any real interest, a goal that makes the army a defender of something, someone ...
          1. -1
            July 9 2021
            Any a peace treaty is a positive phenomenon. Another thing is how it will be observed and implemented. Therefore, you need to carefully monitor the situation and take preventive measures. First of all - to provide assistance to Tajikistan at the border. Something is all quiet and incomprehensible that on the Afghan border with Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan ...
            1. 0
              July 9 2021
              Chinese officials offered the Taliban to bring peace ... and China will start investing in (construction - Kommersant) roads, - the newspaper quotes one of the leaders. - Later, China would like to engage in energy projects such as electricity generation and later transportation oil and gas from Central Asia (through Afghanistan. - FT) ". According to another tribal leader, the Chinese plan calls for the construction of modern six-lane highways that would link all major cities in the country.
              ... Or maybe this is how it is necessary to conclude "peace treaties"?
              Maybe you should take a closer look at the experience of non-stupid people, and not rush to the aid of very unreliable allies?
              Maybe the old rake should not be stepped on again and again?
        2. nnm
          +16
          July 9 2021
          Yes, there is no opening of the bases there. Is there a power vacuum in the regions and in the country as a whole? Have you ever heard of at least a couple of more or less significant clashes? It's just that the army either scatters or goes over to the side of the Taliban itself.
          1. +2
            July 9 2021
            The fact that the Taliban have begun to fight much better is a fact.
            https://inosmi.ru/military/20210707/250060602.html
            Therefore, the United States had to bring down from Afghanistan.
            Here's what they write in the States now:
            Our army is led by liars. Our civic leadership for the past 20 years? Liars. Almost one trillion dollars has been thrown down a rat hole. More than 2300 American soldiers killed and 20 American soldiers injured. For what? So that the Afghans loot our abandoned bases, and the Taliban, whom we could not defeat in the same way that the Soviets could not defeat their fathers, could get a good new weapon?

            https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210709/250080012.html
            A trillion in Afghanistan and 6 trillion in Iraq were lost by the United States. Neither oil nor drugs will cover such sums.
            https://inosmi.ru/politic/20210709/250077626.html
            1. +3
              July 9 2021
              They only lost what they paid other states for. And these are completely different numbers. The economy is somewhat more complex.
          2. 0
            July 9 2021
            Quote: nnm
            It's just that the army either scatters or goes over to the side of the Taliban itself.

            The army is tired of both the current government of Afghanistan and the "thorn in the butt" - the American and NATO troops and the American administration.
          3. -1
            July 9 2021
            Judging by what they write .... no one practically bothered to sort out the topic, read, listen to the SPECIALISTS! What conclusions are made on the basis of .... but on the basis of what, I can not understand ??? because apart from complete garbage, practically nothing is written.
        3. +2
          July 9 2021
          This is true, but it should be borne in mind that they told ordinary soldiers that if they lay down their arms they would let them go home, they would also give money.
      2. +5
        July 9 2021

        scientist
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        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Russia declared the Taliban terrorists and at the same time negotiating with them in the Kremlin

        Their interests are purely national and not related to the United States. Cooperation with them is another nail in the coffin of the American unipolar world. And the fact that the Taliban are considered terrorists is all relative. The United States and its allies are destroying thousands of civilians, and no one officially declares them terrorists.
        Quite right. There is a lot in the world upside down, but BASICLY HOW, and WHO will present it to the world community. To this day, none of their tobacco could deny the entire Merikatos worldview. And just try, they will immediately take away the ration!
        But this arrival of the Taliban to Moskvka (banned in the Russian Federation) prompts certain thoughts, and they are quite positive for us.
        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          1. Can the Taliban be trusted?
          2. While conducting such negotiations, is Russia not a party to the conflict?
          3. What did the Taliban demand in exchange for border security?
          4. Will the borders be strengthened? The state of the Turkmen-Afghan border is of the greatest concern, where the local tyrant drove the Turkmen so under the bins that the Taliban can get the support of the local population.

          Half-dead Asian despotism will collapse, namely, in the despotism of their weakness, the Taliban appeal to justice and offer popular rule, among other things, on the basis of Sharia. Then all this mass will reach the borders of Russia ... that is, the entire width of the steppe from Astrakhan to Omsk!
          1. +8
            July 9 2021
            In conducting such negotiations, is Russia not a party to the conflict?


            Russia does not act as a party to the conflict, but there are certainly interests and, if necessary, can make a rustle, then the Taliban arrived, working ahead of the curve, so to speak.
            1. +2
              July 9 2021
              Russia does not act as a party to the conflict, but there are certainly interests and, if necessary, can make a rustle, then the Taliban arrived, working ahead of the curve, so to speak.

              And I think that the Taliban did not come to Moscow by chance and that bilateral contacts between Russia and the Taliban have been going on for a very long time. And both sides have been preparing for the withdrawal of US troops a long time ago, and a roadmap for further actions has long been worked out 100%. The Taliban have come to pay their respects, so to speak, and to confirm that the previously reached agreements are in force. No wonder the United States previously accused Russia of contacts with the Taliban, but ours have always denied this information. Now everything became clear.
            2. 0
              July 9 2021
              Quote: krops777
              In conducting such negotiations, is Russia not a party to the conflict?


              Russia does not act as a party to the conflict, but there are certainly interests and, if necessary, can make a rustle, then the Taliban arrived, working ahead of the curve, so to speak.

              If we looked at the situation on the plane: Taliban-Pakistan-China, then everything is very logical from the outside, both Russia and the Taliban ...
              IMHO, of course hi
          2. +2
            July 9 2021
            Quote: Civil
            Then all this mass will reach the borders of Russia ... that is, the entire width of the steppe from Astrakhan to Omsk!

            We must not forget that we already have a huge number of semi-literate labor migrants from Central Asia and "our" government will only increase their number.
            1. +1
              July 9 2021
              "our" government will only increase their number.


              On the other hand, the Ministry of Internal Affairs proposes to cancel the temporary residence permit for foreigners - https://ria.ru/20210709/mvd-1740538067.html Or by the word "our" did you mean the government of some other country, not Russia?
              1. +2
                July 9 2021
                Quote: Kibalchish
                Or did you mean by the word "our" the government of some other country, not Russia?

                I mean the government of the country of Russia.
                Quote: Kibalchish
                Just on the contrary, the Ministry of Internal Affairs proposes to cancel the temporary residence permit for foreigners - https://ria.ru/20210709/mvd-1740538067.html

                There are many proposals, good and different, but this proposal will not pass. This proposal conflicts with the economic interests of big business, and therefore will not be accepted. Not for that, the "guarantor" negotiated with the presidents of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan on a constant influx of labor migrants.
                1. +1
                  July 9 2021
                  As the saying goes "Let's see" which of us is right)
                2. -1
                  July 9 2021
                  Truly big business (oil and gas, chemistry, metallurgy, mechanical engineering) practically does not use the services of migrants in our country. There are many of them in construction and housing and communal services. In the service sector. But the generals of this business do not have such a powerful lobby. The wrong scale. So they will accept the offer.
                  1. 0
                    July 10 2021
                    toha124 - Kyrgyz and Turks worked on the construction of the Amur GPP, there were practically no Russian citizens at this construction site. Now on the BAM, with the blessing of the president, even special trains will be launched - to carry hard workers from Asia, Even in the suburbs for agricultural work, it was decided to import Asians - in the Russian Federation no one wants to work in agriculture and at construction sites. request
              2. +2
                July 9 2021
                just instead of a temporary residence permit, there will be some kind of work visa ...
            2. -2
              July 9 2021
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              that we already have a huge number of semi-literate labor migrants from Central Asia and "our" government will only increase their number.

              Not only in Russia (your government) in every possible way encourages the labor of migrants from "countries" of dubious quality ...
              But I will note that the Americans, involved in the production of nuclear warheads and aircraft engines, also began to attract completely illiterate, completely aul Tajiks to work. So far as consumables, but it will still be. I saw it myself.
              1. -3
                July 9 2021
                Quote: Humpty
                But I will note that the Americans involved in the production ...

                Yes it is in all countries, capitalism, however, cost reduction. In the late 80s, Turks and Arabs began to be brought to Europe, look at what they came to, the same thing awaits us.
                1. -1
                  July 9 2021
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  the same thing awaits us.

                  I propose to apply their same methods to them. According to the principle - if you want to become a taxi driver, buy a Zhiguli first (in the cabin). If you want to go to a construction site, buy PPE and tools yourself, etc. You look and the labor market will improve.
                  1. +1
                    July 9 2021
                    Quote: Humpty
                    I propose to apply their same methods to them. According to the principle - if you want to become a taxi driver, buy a Zhiguli first (in the cabin). If you want to go to a construction site, buy PPE and tools yourself, etc. You look and the labor market will improve.

                    There are too many reasons not to. For our country, these methods are only harmful. We have too different history, they came to capitalism 300 years earlier, we have no place in this carriage, only stand in the vestibule.)))) Our country developed most successfully under a different socio-economic formation.
          3. nnm
            +3
            July 9 2021
            1. You can not trust anyone.
            2. No, he does not act. These are not negotiations on military cooperation with one of the parties.
            3. I don't think there were demands. Now, on the contrary, they need to show their legal personality. Therefore, at this stage they will be polite and diplomatic.
            4. It is unlikely that this is possible over a long period. Ethnically, the main groups have been in conflict with each other for a very long time.
            But the spread of radicalism, you are right, definitely should not be discounted. And whether the regimes survive or not, now depends only on them.
          4. -4
            July 9 2021
            Quote: Civil
            4. Will the borders be strengthened? The state of the Turkmen-Afghan border is of the greatest concern, where the local tyrant drove the Turkmen so under the bins that the Taliban can get the support of the local population.

            At the local tyrant, the population bathes in luxury, although they are forced to erect golden statues and idolize him. Their social network is the best in the world.
          5. +2
            July 9 2021
            Quote: Civil
            Half-dead Asian despotism will collapse, namely, in the despotism of their weakness, the Taliban appeal to justice and offer popular rule, among other things, on the basis of Sharia.

            Talibs are Pashtuns, and only Pashtuns .. and no one (almost) except Pashtuns. feel This is what knowledgeable people say .. And if it is so (and it looks like it is), then draw your own conclusions.
            1) The Pashtuns do not care about any ISIS and other sultanates.
            2) The Pashtuns will establish national authority in Afg territory. Tajiks, Uzbeks, Hazaras, etc. will be against ... With weapons against.
        2. +1
          July 9 2021
          and quite positive for us.
          I think not only in VO, the country is increasingly divided into supporters of corrupt officials and those who are for Russia.
          1. +6
            July 9 2021
            interestingly, he did not offend anyone. Who did not name the supporters of corrupt officials, but the minuses flew in. It turns out to hit the point.
            1. +4
              July 9 2021
              Quote: Gardamir
              It turns out to hit the point.

              Rather, as usual, into a substance. Yes Nothing, it happens - at least talked to himself. laughing
              1. -1
                July 9 2021
                Quote: Paranoid50
                Quote: Gardamir
                It turns out to hit the point.

                Rather, as usual, into a substance. Yes

                LOL love
          2. -3
            July 9 2021
            Quote: Gardamir
            I think not only in VO, the country is increasingly divided into supporters of corrupt officials and those who are for Russia.

            Unfortunately, the split is widening ... but this will lead nowhere, the character is weak.
        3. +1
          July 9 2021
          Quote: aszzz888
          But this arrival of the Taliban to Moskvka (banned in the Russian Federation) prompts certain thoughts, and they are quite positive for us.

          And they arrived first, after the withdrawal of the Americans to Russia, but not to another country. At the moment, this is positive.
          1. +7
            July 9 2021
            Quote: tihonmarine
            And they arrived first, after the withdrawal of the Americans to Russia, but not to another country. For now, this is positive

            So the Taliban were declared terrorists by the very same Mrykans when they needed to bomb the Afghan mountains in 2002.
            And in the Taliban there are those who fought with the SA in the 80s, and who saw the difference between the "Najibullah regime" and the current state of affairs.
            Most likely, the Taliban came to Moscow to probe opportunities for establishing contacts in the future, using for this people from among those who fought against the same Mujahideen.
            And something tells me that the same contact groups went to Iran, Pakistan, and, possibly, to China.
      3. +20
        July 9 2021
        If the Taliban, as they say, are really engaged in the elimination of opium fields and zeroing out of the ISIS imported to Afghanistan (which has at least 10 bearded snouts), then why not recognize this national liberation movement as a legitimate authority after they took Kabul?
        And not for the protection and leadership of this very imported ISIS, the Turks arrived there?
        To be honest, I expect more trouble from the presence of the Turks in Afghanistan than their homegrown Taliban.
        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          Quote: bayard
          then why not recognize this national liberation movement as a legitimate authority, after their capture of Kabul?

          If only there they put the Shah / Khan / President / Padishah / Sultan on the throne .... in general, an Eastern dictator-despot, so that he could impose a totalitarian regime in this long-suffering country with an iron hand. They do not need socialism, nor do they need democracy. Let them kill each other legally and not export terrorism with anarchy.
          1. +11
            July 9 2021
            Why wish others harm?
            This nation has already suffered. The invaders are leaving, but their minions have come - a kind of "brothers in faith" - Turkish Muslim brothers. Remember this "movement"? What were they doing in Egypt? In Libya?
            These were and remain the fosterlings of Turkish intelligence and Erdogan's dependents.
            One of their wings, formed from the former Iraqi military, with the help of the CIA, MI6 and Mossad, was later named the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.
            Later, their remnants were evacuated by American aircraft to Afghanistan from defeat by Russia and the Syrian army.
            And now Turkish troops have arrived in Afghanistan to lead them under the supervision of British intelligence.
            So let us wish the indigenous Afghan fighters for independence the speedy and complete destruction of this hotbed of terrorism.
            And the subsequent return to a peaceful life.
            There is an archaic society, but they are beautiful, courageous and very freedom-loving people.
            And even those who fought there against our army at one time remember our soldiers with respect. Those who simply remember the shuravis who treated them, built infrastructure for them, taught them in their universities, remember this with nostalgia and gratitude.
            They had time to compare.
            Many leaders of even modern Afghanistan, their officials and specialists are graduates of our universities. A classmate of my friend until recently was a minister in the Karzai government and often called his friend on the phone, invited him to visit, and said (like many other Afghans) "Russians, come back."
            Not by the army, not by the troops - to trade, cooperate, teach, heal, help build a normal state.
            Over the past 40 years, they have drunk everything ... let them choose their own path, friends, allies.
            But the border must be strengthened.
            The Turks are still peacekeepers.
            And the Englishwoman still shits.
            1. +2
              July 9 2021
              Quote: bayard
              But the border must be strengthened.
              The Turks are still peacekeepers.
              And the Englishwoman still shits.

              The Turks all their lives walked in the fairway for "Their Majesti" by the kings of Britain. And being constantly in Afghanistan "on snot," Their Majesti now decided to shove their Turkish vassals instead of themselves, but under their own careful leadership. Although if the Sultan gains a foothold there, then he will put on "Their Majesti".
              1. +4
                July 9 2021
                For the sake of such consolidation, the Sultan has already deployed a military base in Pakistan. England has big plans for them (the Turks). And the business of the royal family is under threat - the Taliban are destroying the opium fields.
                So let them take Kabul and drive the Turks along with their ISIS.
                1. 0
                  July 9 2021
                  Quote: bayard
                  For the sake of such consolidation, the Sultan has already deployed a military base in Pakistan.
                  The slogan "One nation - three countries". It was used by the Pakistani Ministry of Defense during the second Karabakh war. It denotes the religious unity of these three countries.
                  Pakistan, Turkey, Azerbaijan. The Taliban movement, which also professes Sunni Islam of the Hanafi madhhab, consists mainly of Pashtuns and is closely associated with Pakistan.
                  Turkey has a good reputation in Afghanistan. The Taliban have not killed a single Turkish serviceman since 2001. Two factors played a role in this. First, in 1921 the Kemalist government recognized the independence of Afghanistan. Secondly, it is very important for the highly Islamized Afghan society that the Turks are mostly Sunni Muslims of the Hanafi madhhab.
                  1. +1
                    July 9 2021
                    This is what the Brits are all about.
                    And I'm afraid that the wisdom of the Taliban ... will not be enough for the right decisions.
                  2. -1
                    July 10 2021
                    Quote: tihonmarine
                    The Taliban have not killed a single Turkish serviceman since 2001.

                    Why are you fooling the good and gullible members of the forum?
                    Losses of the Turkish contingent from the beginning of the war to the end of 2014, 14 servicemen were killed and at least 7 wounded... In the period after January 1, 2015, losses continued
        2. +1
          July 9 2021
          Quote: bayard
          To be honest, I expect more trouble from the presence of the Turks in Afghanistan than their homegrown Taliban.

          Everything is correct. Unlike the Turks, the Taliban do not have serious air defense systems (except that MANPADS). And if something happens, it will be easy and natural to nightmare them from the air. And they are well aware of this. Yes, and they will have to eat something on a national scale. That is why we came with peaceful intentions. And they probably remember their father's stories about the shuravi.
          1. +2
            July 9 2021
            They remember about the shuravi, that's why they came. But Turkey is now showing hyperactivity in Central Asia, huddling our CSTO partners and former brothers in the United Union into the Great Turan project.
            And not without success.
            Erdogan is going to visit Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan ... They say we are 300 million, we are one people, we will protect you.
            And the Turks are supervised by the British - they have the business of the royal family there - in the opium fields.
            And the Taliban are destroying these fields.
            If Kabul is taken and the Turks are expelled - honor and praise to them.
            The Taliban have normal relations with China, they protect their business and cooperate. So if I do everything right and all the strangers are driven out of their land, they do everything right and drug trafficking stops - we must admit.
        3. -1
          July 9 2021
          Quote: bayard
          To be honest, I expect more trouble from the presence of the Turks in Afghanistan than their homegrown Taliban.

          Tui, I completely agree with you.
      4. -7
        July 9 2021
        Yeah interesting. This is what happens?
        Here is with YAP:
        "Participation in the elections to the State Duma will be banned for those who are involved in the activities of an extremist or terrorist organization. Such a bill was adopted by the State Duma in the first reading."
        And in fact...

        Ilya Yashin
        @IlyaYashin
        Lavrov can cooperate with the Taliban, a terrorist organization recognized in Russia. But I can't do it with Navalny, because he is a terrible extremist. As a result, Lavrov heads the list of United Russia, and I am deprived of voting rights. Looking for logic here? Don't even try

        I understood! This is the Other!
        1. +5
          July 9 2021
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          Lavrov can cooperate with the Taliban, a terrorist organization recognized in Russia. But I can't do it with Navalny, because he is a terrible extremist. IN

          And Lavrov "cooperates" with the Taliban in his own interests and against his country, and receives payment from them (he doesn’t dare to call it a salary)?
          1. -2
            July 9 2021
            Direct hit!
          2. -3
            July 9 2021
            Quote: sheet
            And Lavrov "cooperates" with the Taliban in his own interests and against his country, and receives payment from them (he doesn’t dare to call it a salary)?

            Anything can be. It is no longer possible to carry coconut from Argentina. flights. Maybe there is something in Afghanistan.
            1. -2
              July 9 2021
              Quote: Hyperion
              Anything can be. It is no longer possible to carry coconut from Argentina. flights. Maybe there is something in Afghanistan.

              Lavrov drove ??
        2. nnm
          +3
          July 9 2021
          And in what do you see COOPERATION? In an attempt to prevent the harm that could be done to our country? I somehow see the criminal cooperation with terrorists differently.
        3. +4
          July 9 2021
          The Taliban * did not buckle under the Americans, and did not require imposing sanctions against Russia!
          1. +4
            July 9 2021
            Still, they would have recognized the Crimea as Russian ...
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          1. +1
            July 9 2021
            Quote: stalkerwalker
            To what extent do you have to be irreconcilable rams in order to accuse diplomatic workers negotiating with all parties and countries of violating the ban?

            It is useless to explain something to such people, their dream is to drive over the hill and from there see how the country collapses, and the more blood, the better. Neither in Ukraine nor in any other country in the world is there such a complete "opposition".
      5. -1
        July 10 2021
        And the fact that the Taliban are considered terrorists is all relative. The United States and its allies are destroying thousands of civilians, and no one officially declares them terrorists.

        Are you going to say that to the investigator too? If you are suspected of having contacts with this organization
    2. +2
      July 9 2021
      Moscow and Tajiks! Motherland is calling! Everything to defend the fatherland!
      1. +3
        July 9 2021
        Don't understand mine, you can't make money on defending the fatherland.
      2. -2
        July 9 2021
        Quote: 210ox
        Moscow and Tajiks! Motherland is calling! Everything to defend the fatherland!

        They already have a fatherland in our big cities! Tomorrow they will try to establish Sharia there.
        1. 0
          July 9 2021
          Quote: aleksejkabanets
          They already have a fatherland in our big cities! Tomorrow they will be there Shariah try

          The guarantor said that another 5 million migrant guest workers are needed?
          And will be .
          And there will be more.
          Already half of Moscow lives according to Sharia.
          But we need another 5 million.
          Such "patriotism" is in vogue now.
          1. +2
            July 9 2021
            Quote: bayard
            The guarantor said that another 5 million migrant guest workers are needed?

            The site rules prohibit to express what I think about this, because there will be no censorship words there.
            1. +2
              July 9 2021
              Unfortunately this is the case . It seems that the site is military, but the "swear word" ( angry military) in the form of ideomatic turns of the Russian language ... is prohibited.
              But this is, as a rule, pure Sanskrit! bully
      3. 0
        July 9 2021
        And the janitors, who will go for their place in Moscow?
        1. Cat
          -1
          July 9 2021
          Will the Zamkadians come in large numbers?
          1. +3
            July 9 2021
            Quote: Gato
            Will the Zamkadians come in large numbers?

            Ah, the rest of Russia is already "zamkadtsy" for you! You live too well there in Moscow. You have to pay as in the regions, 15 thousand and products so that you would be one and a half times more expensive, I sincerely wish you this, then you will feel on your own skin how the "people of Zamkad" live! You are quite obese there in your Moscow.
            1. Cat
              +1
              July 9 2021
              You were completely out there in your Moscow

              Flight. I live in Kiev laughing Although we also have Ring and Okruzhnaya roads.
            2. -2
              July 10 2021
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              You live too well there in Moscow.

              Come to Moscow, too, you will live well, as all the "zamadovtsy" do, who cannot force their local authorities to improve their lives ...
              Here you have to work, and a lot, and not "turn your tongue" ....
              1. +1
                July 10 2021
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Come to Moscow, you will also live well,

                Especially for alternatively gifted characters, the question is, should all 148 million be relocated to Moscow?
                Quote: Lara Croft
                so all "zamadovtsy" do, who cannot force their local authorities to improve their lives ....

                Do you by any chance know how many tax regions are transferring to Moscow? Maybe it's enough to feed Moscow?
                Quote: Lara Croft
                Here you have to work, and a lot, and not "turn your tongue" ....

                If someone does not know, then you have to work everywhere. And "smart people" can separately inquire about regional allowances in Moscow and in the regions.
                PS Do strangers poke each other in your environment?
                1. -2
                  July 10 2021
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  the question is, should all 148 million be relocated to Moscow?

                  Why 148 million? In the Russian Federation, the number is much smaller, we for 2020 by 0,5 million people. it has become less, and not only "zamadovtsy" live in Moscow, but also citizens of the CIS and far abroad ...
                  And why should I be a resident of Moscow worried about a resident of another constituent entity of the Russian Federation, if this resident curses me of all mortal sins, and not his local government, which does not care about you?
                  Do you by any chance know how many tax regions are transferring to Moscow? Maybe it's enough to feed Moscow?

                  Well, the regions of the Russian Federation do not pay to Moscow to the budget, but to the budget of the Russian Federation they transfer money, which the Government of the Russian Federation, and not Moscow distributes, well, if you think that you are feeding Moscow, do not transfer money, Moscow, as the richest subject (in the territory that does not exist no oil, no gas, no diamonds) also transfers money to the budget of the Russian Federation ...
                  If it pisses you off that Moscow has the status of the capital, then I think Moscow will easily give it up, from the time of Petit to Vova it somehow managed without this status ...
                  Yes, the headquarters of many Russian and international organizations are located in Moscow, well, Moscow invests a lot in the development of its infrastructure ... it is not handy for them to move to your collective farm "40 years without a crop" ...
                  I personally do not need anything from you, I earn my own living and have not personally felt any handouts from you .... and I don’t need them either ....
                  And the composition of the inhabitants of Moscow is 85% of the "Zamadovites", former and present ... so calling Muscovites
                  alternatively gifted characters
                  и
                  You got nasty
                  You, in essence, do not understand this yourself, call the entire Russian Federation and the CIS countries, tk. it is they who form the basis of the inhabitants of Moscow ...
                  And "smart people" can separately inquire about regional allowances in Moscow and in the regions.

                  And what do you care about mayoral allowances for residents of Moscow, you are in no way involved in them ... the Government of Moscow pays subsidies to residents of Moscow, not the Government of the Russian Federation ...
                  As soon as your collective farm "40 years without a crop" begins to make a profit, then something will break off from your local authorities ...
                  In the end, there are 10-12 donor regions in the Russian Federation, go to one of them to work, not all a wedge in Moscow has come together ...

                  I will not communicate with you further, otherwise, as the last time with your friend "Cheburashka", tell me "-" while I will work hard at work ....
        2. 0
          July 9 2021
          Quote: tralflot1832
          And the janitors, who will go for their place in Moscow?

          Pay normally and people will be drawn to you.
          1. -1
            July 10 2021
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Pay normally and people will be drawn to you.

            Yes, there are no problems with people here, but the heads of the janitors, all former and current "zamadovtsy" ...
            ... that's how they live here, the former and present "Zamadovites" chmyt the "Zamadovites", not to mention the Tajiks ...
            "Zamkadovtsy" they are ... in other cities with a population of over one million, the same thing ...
            The mayor of Moscow should only worry about Muscovites, for this he was elected, and if you, as a "zamadovets", have a bad life, then you need to contact the VVP and your local authorities ..... Moscow, as a subject of the Russian Federation, does not owe you anything. .. it seems everything is clear and logical ...
            ... so save up money to first become a "zamadovets" working in Moscow, you look and you will become a "snickering" Muscovite ...
      4. -1
        July 10 2021
        Quote: 210ox
        Moscow and Tajiks! Motherland is calling! Everything to defend the fatherland!

        They laugh sinfully. That year, the Moscow Armenians did not give a damn about such a slogan, do you think the Moscow Tajiks love their country more than the Moscow Armenians ...?
    3. +5
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      ... negotiate with them.

      But where to go if there is actually no legitimate government in the country, and dialogue (of some kind) must be conducted, because the border is near ...
    4. It's not just weird! This is ... A betrayal, perhaps, in relation to our fellow citizens who went through the Afghan war, when this movement was born, a betrayal to the world community, which is still fighting there, to civilians of the same Afghanistan who still live there!
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      2. D16
        +8
        July 9 2021
        This is ... A betrayal, perhaps, in relation to our fellow citizens who went through the Afghan war, when this movement was born, a betrayal to the world community, which is still fighting there, to civilians of the same Afghanistan who still live there!

        What a zhYYYrnaya chutzpah wassat .
        There hasn't been a Taliban in Afghanistan yet, so leave our citizens alone. Who is the global community? USA with hangers-on? Who invited them there, and why are they present there? Protecting local hipsters and lesbians, and at the same time exporting ISIS to our borders in accordance with the beloved system of checks and balances. lol Civilians of Afghanistan lived under the Taliban and will continue to live. The victories of the Taliban testify to their real support by the overwhelming majority of Afghans. If this majority wants to live in the old-fashioned way, in accordance with their ultra-conservative values, let them live. There is no need to interfere and reshape someone else's worldview for yourself. The fact that the delegation arrived in Moscow suggests that these people are ready for dialogue. They have something to offer, and they need something from us. And unlike amers, these will even comply with oral agreements, if we comply with them.
        1. The world community is, first of all, the countries that border on Afghanistan. And who constantly live like a powder keg.
          Learn the history of the conflict - the Taliban, banned in the Russian Federation, originates precisely from the militants trained by the United States during the 1979-1989 war! And only later they called themselves what they wanted!
          And leave your hellish language for peers. Together with them, you will write on the fences.
          1. D16
            +2
            July 9 2021
            Come on. You worry about your neighbors laughing ... The overwhelming majority of them live according to Sharia law. Secular power is not popular in villages. They are comfortable and calm in the Middle Ages. Unlike ISIS, the Taliban do not impose their way of life on their secular neighbors and do not arrange public mass executions. Passenger planes do not explode. They were also recorded as terrorists in the deflection in front of real terrorists. laughing the Americans taught everyone who was against the USSR, it is not surprising that the future Taliban were among them. But it was we who stuck with our charter into a strange monastery, and the Americans and Islamic countries only took advantage of the created vulnerability.
            It is forbidden to use foul language on the site, and therefore you have to use the hellish language, answering your wisdom.
            1. -1
              July 10 2021
              Quote: D16
              wisdom.

              Cool word, I'll take it on board, otherwise every day there are more and more "dolboyas" ... the heat probably affects, somehow ...
      3. nnm
        +2
        July 9 2021
        This is called diplomacy. And Lavrov's actions are aimed precisely at preventing the next generation of Russian guys from dying in Afghanistan or on the borders with it. So don't speak for the Afghans. They know the cost of war much better.
        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          This is called diplomacy.
          It's called I see it here, I don't see it here, I wrap the paper here. And there were no results either.
          1. nnm
            +2
            July 9 2021
            I repeat ... would you like to repeat the Afghan war for our country and our children? Yes, you're right ... that's how politics works. What, the United States has not surpassed all the terrorist groups combined in terms of the number of victims? So let's not deal with them either. Or nazi Ukraine ...
            1. -8
              July 9 2021
              that's how politics works.
              At least one example of the success of today's politicians. As for the United States, they are waging an almost open war with Russia, but for the Kremlin they are partners. And why do you think that Russia will not live without the United States?
              1. nnm
                +2
                July 9 2021
                Syria. Crimea. SP-2 (but it is not yet ready, but nevertheless), statements by Merkel, Macron, Kurz about the need for negotiations with Russia, etc. This is what first came to mind.
                I don’t remember that I would say that we cannot live without the United States.
                Will it make it harder for us? Definitely. Conventionally ... that's it, tomorrow the "iron curtain". The simplest and most common question is what are we doing with the software on at least millions of computers of ordinary citizens.
                Will we live without the United States? Undoubtedly, but at the cost of a sharp rollback of the economy back. Yes, if we can handle this, we will be an economic superpower again. But is there a necessary unity of power and people for such patience?
        2. -1
          July 9 2021
          The oriental bazaar, about the inevitability of which many wrote, began. We do not touch your embassy, ​​and you give us bakshish. This can go on for a long time. In the east, people are in no hurry.
          1. nnm
            +3
            July 9 2021
            And who did you hear about bakshish, if not a secret .... and what then would be a problem for Russia to simply close the embassy if the whole question was the simplicity of the ransom?
            1. -1
              July 9 2021
              nnm. What secret. As Sherlock Holmes said - a deductive method. Logically, if they came, then they need something from us. What do they want? - Allah knows about this, but that most likely they need to establish rules of conduct. But they understand that it is not for nothing, they also understand exactly, because they were able to resist the hordes of NATO for 20 years, that in Moscow they do not believe a penny. Then it turns out that the guarantor of consent is the integrity of our embassy in Kabul - for this either exists or it does not. They should also understand that we will not bring troops there, but if the Taliban start to be rude, then there are non-invasive means to put them in place, and not necessarily with weapons. So then it becomes clear - why do we need the embassy in Kabul
              1. -1
                July 10 2021
                Quote: mikh-korsakov
                Then it turns out that the guarantor of consent is the integrity of our embassy in Kabul - for this either exists or it does not.

                Some nonsense ... The Taliban came to Moscow to talk about the integrity of our embassy in Kabul, which the Taliban have not yet taken?
                Well, in Mazar-i-Sharif, ours closed the consulate general and are not worried ...
                In the city of Mazar-i-Sharif in Afghanistan, the Russian consulate general has temporarily suspended its work due to the aggravation of the situation in the north of the country. This was stated by the special representative of the President of Russia for Afghanistan, director of the Second Department of Asia of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Zamir Kabulov, reports TASS.

                Read more at RBC:
                https://www.rbc.ru/politics/05/07/2021/60e2b5989a7947136947ef50
                it will be necessary and in Kabul our embassy will be closed ...
      4. +2
        July 9 2021
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        This is ... Betrayal, or something, in relation to our fellow citizens who went through the Afghan war,

        It was a betrayal to kiss Massoud in the 90s. This is who finished off our people in the Panjshir Gorge. And then the dumb sidek turned out to be.
    5. -9
      July 9 2021
      Taliban declared terrorists
      And that America can keep its terrorists. So they will appear in Russia. Do not forget that our country is governed by the same capitalists as elsewhere in the world. Basis and existence of 300 percent, not patriotism.
      1. -3
        July 9 2021
        Quote: Gardamir
        our country is run by the same capitalists as elsewhere in the world. Basis and existence of 300 percent, not patriotism.

        Most likely this is not to the liking of most people, to put it mildly. Let's imagine that the patriotic forces got the better of the corrupt regime, then return the Pamirs, Karakum and the purchases of Peter the Great back, or what?
        1. -6
          July 9 2021
          then we will return
          The current government has done everything to make us tortured to swallow the original Russian territories. Flip through history books. And the Baltic states and many other lands have been Russians for hundreds of years. Two-thirds of the same Ukraine are Russians, but they tell us about some kind of country 404.
          1. +1
            July 9 2021
            Quote: Gardamir
            Flip through history books. AND

            I went to school, there was work. And then, there, here again. You shy away from a direct answer.
            Quote: Gardamir
            but we are being told about some kind of country 404.

            Yes, yes, and after all, not only 404, but excuse me, who invented them? A certain Tajikistan is admissible. As it seems to me, they are the most consistent enemies of the bourgeoisie, oligarchs and their sympathizers.
          2. 0
            July 10 2021
            Quote: Gardamir
            The current government has done everything to make us tortured to swallow the original Russian territories.

            So Crimea, it seems, was returned under the current government, and vice versa, Russia lost all Russian lands under the tsars and communists ...
    6. +2
      July 9 2021
      All this is strange


      Politics is the art of the possible, OTHERWISE DIRECT MILITARY ACTIONS.
      1. -1
        July 10 2021
        Quote: user
        Politics is the art of the possible, OTHERWISE DIRECT MILITARY ACTIONS.

        And here many are for military actions, and they themselves want to participate "remotely" ...
    7. +4
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      declared terrorists and at the same time negotiating with them in the Kremlin

      these are the envoys
    8. -5
      July 9 2021
      Politics has many options. There is nothing eternal in it. In the USSR, until 1939, the newspaper Pravda did not do without daily curses against German fascism and vise versa. And here you go!
    9. +2
      July 9 2021
      I think they know:
      "There is no faith (iman) for the one who does not have reliability, and there is no religion for the one who does not keep the contract (does not keep his promises)." (Imam Ahmad)
      Breaking this word, even if it is a promise made to a NON-MUSLIM, deserves the curse of Allah Almighty, his angels and all people.
      Although there is al-Qaeda, there is IS.
      We will see.
    10. 0
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      All this is strange, in Russia the Taliban have been declared terrorists and at the same time in the Kremlin they are negotiating with them.

      But it is not with their hands that quarrels with them, they are still in Afghanistan and power and strength.
    11. -3
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      All this is strange, in Russia the Taliban have been declared terrorists and at the same time in the Kremlin they are negotiating with them. what

      Nothing strange. Ordinary doublethink. As in the novel "1984". Well, there: war is peace, freedom is slavery, and so on. In this case: prohibited is permitted.
    12. -1
      July 10 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      All this is strange, in Russia the Taliban have been declared terrorists and at the same time in the Kremlin they are negotiating with them. what

      Those. only the United States has the right to negotiate with the Taliban ...?
  2. 0
    July 9 2021
    The Taliban did not have time to remove the Coca-Cola cans after the Americans, but have already come running to Moscow ... Why?
    1. +6
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Angry Troll
      The Taliban did not have time to remove the Coca-Cola cans after the Americans, but have already come running to Moscow ... Why?

      Well, all kinds of negotiations are possible, including the fact that the Russians do not bring in their troops. Something like "we don't touch you, you don't touch us"
      1. 0
        July 9 2021

        Fidget (Elena)
        Today, 06: 30
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        +1
        Quote: Angry Troll
        The Taliban did not have time to remove the Coca-Cola cans after the Americans, but have already come running to Moscow ... Why?

        Well, all kinds of negotiations are possible, including the fact that the Russians do not bring in their troops. Something like "we don't touch you, you don't touch us"
        Helen, hi ! Of course, they did not come to see Red Square, although this does not interfere with one another. Surely a very serious conversation is going on with them. What we need, we may soon find out in doses. But the fact that our special services don’t eat bread for nothing is indisputable, however, as it has always been.
        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          And if you pick it, maybe one of these bearded "students" under Najibul MGIMO graduated from the University of Friendship of Peoples. Recall youth, Belomor, moonshine, Ukrainian women, bacon, tsibulya with potatoes. Mix business with pleasure.lol
      2. +2
        July 9 2021
        The assurances are good, but an extra squadron of attack aircraft and a squadron of attack helicopters in Tajikistan will not hurt. As part of strengthening the CSTO.
        And then the Turks are already nimble ... under British leadership.
    2. +3
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Angry Troll
      The Taliban did not have time to remove the Coca-Cola cans after the Americans, but already ran to Moscow... What for?

      And most surprisingly, Moscow accepts them - terrorists, former al-Qaeda allies. Officially, since 2003, the Taliban, as recognized by the Supreme Court of Russia, are a terrorist organization. And also the Taliban helped Chechen terrorists in the fight against Russia.

      Why such a strange situation could have developed? Obviously someone has absolutely no principles and morals. And someone does not give a damn about the decision of the Russian Supreme Court (as well as the Constitution).
      1. 0
        July 9 2021
        Obviously someone has absolutely no principles and morals. And someone does not give a damn about the decision of the Russian Supreme Court (as well as the Constitution).
        What, just noticed it? Look, and the Constitution, as a "proclamation", is changed whenever they want, and in that direction, where they need it. This is exactly what they write here, in Russia "ideology" and "morality" have been replaced by the notorious "300 percent". Yes
      2. -1
        July 9 2021
        Obviously someone has absolutely no principles and morals.


        There are principles and morals in ideology, as in the USSR. But in politics there are neither principles nor morality, as in the Russian Federation, where ideology is prohibited by the CONSTITUTION.
      3. +1
        July 9 2021
        Quote: Stas157
        Moscow accepts them - terrorists,

        Do you really not understand the difference between reception and negotiation?
    3. +1
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Angry Troll
      What for?

      Syria was seen ...
      Su-34 / Tu-22M3 in action ...
      1. 0
        July 9 2021
        They saw and felt on themselves F-16, F-15, A-10, B1, B-2, B52, Typhoons, Hariera, Rafali.

        As shown by 20 years of war, the Taliban cannot be defeated from the air, but even really slow down. Over there now, Afghans fly bombing constantly and does not help much.
        1. +1
          July 9 2021
          Quote: donavi49
          They saw and felt on themselves F-16, F-15, A-10, B1, B-2, B52, Typhoons, Hariera, Rafali.

          The Americans and Co. were not there to defeat the Taliban ...
          Quote: donavi49
          ... that the Taliban cannot be defeated from the air ...

          And no one is talking about victory (provided that the influence on the population of the country is growing), but they can significantly weaken and significantly slow down the advancement of this grouping of the Russian Aerospace Forces. Therefore, we came to Moscow, gentlemanly to agree ...
          1. +3
            July 9 2021
            The Americans and Co. were not there to defeat the Taliban ...


            Well, grandfathers remember MiGi-27, Tu-22, Su-24, Su-17M3 / M4. It also did not work out to win.

            Therefore, we came to Moscow, gentlemanly to agree ...


            Well, they need to take power and at least 3-4 years to rebuild the country on themselves, otherwise the uprisings and competitors will continue the citizen that has been going on for 50 years.

            And yes, there is another slippery point here. If the Aerospace Forces start bombing the Taliban, how much will SNN and others re-equip themselves with the old manuals - the Fremen, the proud people oppose the evil empire? In how many months will the new Stingers, or even the newest Starstriks, go to the Taliban?
            1. 0
              July 9 2021
              Quote: donavi49
              It also did not work out to win.

              How to say...
              1. All key mountain points and plains were controlled by Soviet troops.
              2. Najibullah was firmly in Kabul. 3. A completely different, secular Afghan youth was formed in the cities.
              4. The final victory was prevented only by the betrayal of politicians, as indeed it almost always happened ...

              Quote: donavi49
              Well, they need to take power and at least 3-4 years to rebuild the country on themselves, otherwise the uprisings and competitors will continue the citizen that has been going on for 50 years.

              I absolutely agree.

              Quote: donavi49
              will they change their clothes on the old manuals - the Fremen, the proud people oppose the evil empire? In how many months will the new Stingers, or even the newest Starstriks, go to the Taliban?

              In Syria, it is not very successful ...
              1. 0
                July 9 2021
                How to say...


                The result is the same. While the ISOF portrayed some kind of activity, the Taliban were at most night warlords, but they controlled insignificant areas. They lost all battles for large settlements, important bases or passes. As soon as the ISOF heads home, the Taliban are marching victoriously. Well, yes, Najibula lasted a little longer, playing on fragmentation and clans. However, the result is the same.

                In Syria, it is not very successful ...


                There is fragmentation and a lot of interests in Syria. Plus, the weapon can shoot at its own people and when it comes out, it will easily come to impeachment. But in Afghanistan, everything is simple. The Taliban will fight either Iran or Russia with weapons. No risks, there is already an enemy - the enemy will work.
  3. +1
    July 9 2021
    .... the Taliban terrorist movement (banned in Russia).
    The day before, a discussion of these and other related issues took place in Moscow, where a delegation from the said group arrived.
    In total, the delegation of the Taliban leadership * will be in Russia during the visit for two days.

    This is already some kind of sur laughing
  4. -3
    July 9 2021
    To fight is not tricky! But to make peace on a mutually beneficial basis, it is much harder. Shoigu has powder in the flasks, dry!
    1. -7
      July 9 2021
      Maybe it's better, as you said, to make peace with the Slavs, with tens of millions of Russians in (in) Ukraine?
      1. nnm
        +6
        July 9 2021
        And what, someone in Russia has declared war on these "tens of millions" of Russians in Ukraine?
        1. -6
          July 9 2021
          Following your logic, have we declared war on the Taliban?
      2. +2
        July 9 2021
        We are already friends with Donetsk and Luhansk, and let the Kiev ones first clean up their fascist scum, and then we will talk
        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          And with Odessa, Kharkov, Mariupol, Kherson, Nikolaev, Dnieper - do not want to make friends?
          By the way, who has recognized this fascist scum as a legitimate government and is negotiating with it at the state level?
      3. -1
        July 9 2021
        Let them join, we will live together, burn our gas .. who does not give it? Or kiss them in the fifth point? It will be even worse this way ..
      4. -1
        July 10 2021
        Quote: Crown Prince
        Maybe it's better, as you said, to make peace with the Slavs, with tens of millions of Russians in (in) Ukraine?

        So it is Ukraine that has been "at war" for 7 years with the Russian army, and not the Russian Federation with Ukraine ...
  5. 0
    July 9 2021
    It seems to me that it was not the Taliban who arrived, but the operatives for affairs in Afghanistan with a report. laughing After all, not just like that, the Americans left this republic.
  6. +4
    July 9 2021
    There are many ISIS members in the north of Afghanistan. Can the Taliban control them? Maybe help the Taliban with aviation to fight them.
    1. -1
      July 9 2021
      Have you divided the terrorists into good and bad?
      1. -1
        July 9 2021
        Since the terrorists have already begun to be received in Moscow, then it is possible to divide them up.
        ps Arranged a courtyard from the capital crying
  7. +1
    July 9 2021
    Light in sight, devils.
    Taliban, Taliban (Pashto туالبان - students studying madrasah) is an Islamist movement that originated in Afghanistan among the Pashtuns in 1994, ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 ("Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan") and the Waziristan region in northern Pakistan ("Islamic State Waziristan ") since 2004. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was diplomatically recognized by three states: the United Arab Emirates, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.

    Recognized as a terrorist organization by the UN Security Council in 2003. The Supreme Court of Russia recognized the Taliban as a terrorist organization on February 14, 2003 (the decision entered into force on March 4)

    It should be noted that officially recognized terrorist acts began in 2008 and did not go beyond the borders of Afghanistan.

    And yes ... if the States actually provide cover for ISIS, and Ukraine cherishes and cherishes Azov, then why can't we contact the Taliban?
    1. -1
      July 9 2021
      Quote: Canecat
      And yes ... if the States actually cover ISIS, and Ukraine cherishes and cherishes Azov, then why can't we contact the Taliban?

      Maybe in order to don't be like immoral and unprincipled countries with dirty policies? Otherwise, how will we differ from them?
    2. +1
      July 9 2021
      At one time, the United States also supported a detachment of Mujahideen volunteers from Arab countries led by Osama bin Laden, who fought against Soviet troops in Afghanistan, which later turned into Alkaida and carried out a series of the bloodiest terrorist attacks in US history.
      The reason for the US invasion of Afghanistan was the Taliban's allies with Alkaida!
  8. 0
    July 9 2021
    If the Taliban can help us, why can't we help them? And the power in Afghanistan is changeable like the weather. Taliban - can they hold her? Lavrov is a smart man. Agree.
    I like how he mocked ukrami. With an honest face and a gentle look ..))
    1. +2
      July 9 2021

      Andrey Nikolaevich (Andrey. Nikolaevich)
      Today, 06: 49
      +3
      If the Taliban can help us, why can't we help them? And the power in Afghanistan is changeable like the weather. Taliban - can they hold her? Lavrov is a smart man. Agree.
      I like how he mocked ukrami. With an honest face and a gentle look ..))
      and the eyes are so kind, kind ...
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    1. -5
      July 9 2021
      Quote from rudolf
      We need guarantees of the inviolability of the borders of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan

      Can terrorists guarantee anything? Can such "guarantees" suit someone? But it is quite possible to get dirty by conducting official negotiations with terrorists.

      Quote from rudolf
      suppression of drug trafficking and destruction of poppy fields

      This is too much. If they can temporarily “promise” the inviolability of Tajikistan’s borders, then drugs and traffic are “sacred”.

      It's like stepping on the throat of your own song - depriving yourself of your main source of existence. The Taliban will fight for this. And they can do it even better than anything else.
      1. 0
        July 9 2021
        Can terrorists guarantee anything?

        Why are terrorists? They are Islamists, religious fanatics, it is even more dangerous. A religious military organization aiming to create a theocratic state of the Emirate of Afghanistan with Sharia law. Even in 2020, they broke all ties with ISIS, which was also banned in our court. And the Taliban became terrorists by the decision of our court in 2003 at the behest of the United States and the UN. The instigator of this decision was the United States, which declared the Taliban terrorists after the Twin Towers, although they had nothing to do with this, and were looking for a reason to enter Afghanistan.
        1. -4
          July 9 2021
          Quote: Konnick
          Why terrorists,?

          It seems like the Supreme Court of Russia has recognized this. He's not a decree to you? However, as well as those who meet with them in the capital.
          1. 0
            July 9 2021
            Supreme Court of Russia

            Legally, yes, but he made the decision not independently, but by the decision of the "global community represented by the UN" back in 2003. The United States was looking for an excuse to crush Afghanistan under its influence, but it turned out to be another Vietnam.
          2. -2
            July 9 2021
            However, as well as those who meet with them in the capital.

            So what to do? The state with the current ideology recognizes theocracy and other religious perversions.
        2. 0
          July 9 2021
          Only the Taliban themselves say that? Many write that for the Taliban, the break with Alkaida and ISIS is nothing more than creating diplomatic noise. And in northern Afghanistan, their troops are fighting side by side against the Afghan government.
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        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          Quote from rudolf
          Firstly, all and sundry are negotiating with them anyway and do not get dirty.

          They think so. But how will it turn out later? History often removes rose-colored glasses.

          Why recognize someone as terrorists and then take off the official negotiations? What then are these recognitions, and everything else (norms, rules, agreements, the Constitution) worth?

          Quote from rudolf
          Poppy-growing ban announced by Taliban in July 2000

          So it was more than twenty years ago (during this time a new generation of Taliban has grown up). But now the opium poppy plantations have increased to record levels.

          The production, processing, transportation and sale of opium employs up to 75% of the adult population Afghanistanbut. Today, the European market is provided with Afghan heroin for almost 80%, in the USA this figure has been brought to 35%. All in all, Afghan heroin accounts for almost 65% of the world's production, and about 55% of the opium market.

          Is it really possible to refuse such a cake voluntarily, through simple negotiations? Something I do not really believe!
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            1. 0
              July 9 2021
              Quote from rudolf
              Well, let me remind you something from our history... Namely, the father and son of the Kadyrovs. We actually gave them Chechnya in exchange for certain conditions. Although personally I think this is not a very smart move.

              Yes. From our Russian history. Thank you for reminding. In Soviet history, nothing like this, in principle, could ever happen. Why do you think? This is exactly what distinguishes the Russian authorities from the Soviet authorities. And does not add respect to them.
  10. -1
    July 9 2021
    No matter how frostbitten they were, they learned a lesson from the ISIS in Syria well.
    1. -2
      July 9 2021
      what did they learn? that no one including the USSR and NATO could defeat them, do you think they are afraid of us? in the first place, they simply seek recognition of their power by other countries
      1. 0
        July 9 2021
        Your 2nd level does not allow you to think sanely. hi
        1. 0
          July 9 2021
          it's good that people like you are the only and right-thinking people of level 56 - there are still at VO .. at least someone from a height of their level, gracefully and intellectually, can poke the interlocutor's nickname as an argument hi
          1. 0
            July 9 2021
            How you want to show me yours, show me, I do not mind. Age experience advises me differently.
            1. 0
              July 10 2021
              that is, as an argument for your words, is it an indicator of age-related experience? well, in a sense - yes ... okay, Yuri, the discussion goes to individuals - not worth it - in my age experience, have a good day hi
  11. 0
    July 9 2021
    And at the time of the visit of the Taliban banned from us - were they temporarily allowed, literally for a couple of days?
    Or maybe they were not completely banned, well, as it were, banned, but not strongly.
    Well, as with the vaccine, it seems that it is not necessary to do it, but without it, nowhere ...
  12. +3
    July 9 2021
    Lavrov called for tea or did you ask for it?
    2 days is not serious, they won't even have time to get to the mausoleum!

    But the article is quite scanty, there are more details here!
    Visit to Moscow
    The fact that a Taliban delegation had arrived in Moscow for talks became known on Thursday, July 8. The visit of representatives of the movement to the Russian capital will last two days. The delegation was led by one of the leaders of the political office of the movement in Qatar, Shahabuddeen Delawar, head of the department for relations with Afghan citizens. The Taliban met with the Russian president's special envoy for Afghanistan, head of the second department of Asia at the Foreign Ministry, Zamir Kabulov.

    The day before, negotiations began in Tehran between representatives of the Taliban terrorist movement and the Afghan authorities. Opening the meeting, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif spoke about the defeat of the United States in the region, thereby explaining the withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan.

    Taliban reveal plans for Afghanistan and other countries


    PS:
    Reminded:
  13. -1
    July 9 2021
    So maybe instead of spending money on fighting the ISIS, which is banned in our country, put them as we put the Taliban, which we have banned, at the negotiating table?
    Or do we have the right terrorists (our dog's children) and not our terrorists, good and bad?
  14. +1
    July 9 2021
    The Taliban delegation assured the Russian Foreign Ministry that the Taliban will not attack Russian diplomatic missions in Afghanistan
    In general, the opinion that the Taliban have outgrown, have grown to the point that they have become an OBJECT for political and other negotiations, there is a place to be and is very similar to the truth.
    1. -1
      July 9 2021
      So we will soon resolve them?
      And it will be possible to open a Taliban cell in your city?
      Kabul and Grozny will become twin cities?
      Will it be possible to officially cut off the heads of the enemies of our now respected Taliban?
      1. 0
        July 9 2021
        They took a loud nickname ...
        It is possible to ask a question .... and it is not customary to teach such people, or what? Judging by the questions, conclusions, school, training, passed by ... or ran.
        I'm sorry for you ...
        1. -3
          July 9 2021
          If you really feel sorry for me, then do not be unfounded, but help financially:
          2207 3400 0078 5670
          1. 0
            July 9 2021
            Can you buy knowledge?
            Then, judging by the talkativeness, the depletion of some body functions, you do not suffer and do not need stimulation, quite the opposite.
            Conclusion, WORK IS NECESSARY, and not all ... write different things.
            1. -1
              July 9 2021
              That's always the case!
              When the time comes for real deeds, when you need to confirm your words with deeds, the next words come ...
              I didn’t ask you for advice, what and how should I do?
              If you feel sorry for me, as you say, then help me financially, and do not practice literature.
              1. -1
                July 9 2021
                Do not tell my horseshoes ... wasting time and so on, on idle talkers, is not interesting. You to .... to exalted ladies, for example, will ask for support. More verbiage and voila, they can do good.
                seek and find.
  15. +1
    July 9 2021
    Russia is interested in the fact that terrorist activity associated with the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan does not grow due to its spread to the countries of Central Asia.

    This is the main task of Russia in Central Asia. And the Anglo-Saxons have the opposite. The United States realized that Afghanistan was too tough for them, initially they wanted there to have their own powerful military base against Russia and China. But it didn't work out. Now, leaving, they decided to leave instead of the base, two terrorist movements - "Taliban" and "ISIL", which will constantly maintain "controlled chaos" in Central Asia. Turkey was appointed to look after them, and the Anglo-Saxons will be, as it were, on the sidelines. In this situation
    Russia has only one way out - to break this scheme in order to prevent a new war with Afghanistan.
    1. -2
      July 9 2021
      Do you mean how at the beginning of the XNUMXs we bought the loyalty of the southern republic, now we are buying the loyalty of Afghanistan?
      If we Russians are so rich, then we can ask first of all to finish the road near me, otherwise it takes five years for the repair to be performed and to perform an operation on the boy Kolya, for which they are now collecting money on the RTR, and then pay any tribute to the terrorists.
    2. 0
      July 9 2021
      Quote: askort154
      "Taliban" and "Ishil", which will constantly maintain "controlled chaos" in Central Asia.

      Are you sure that these two organizations can / will coexist side by side, on the same limited territory?
      1. 0
        July 9 2021
        rocket757 ..Are you sure that these two organizations can / will coexist side by side, on the same limited territory?

        They have coexisted for a long time. When it became clear that Russia would finish off the "ISIL" in Syria, the United States began to transfer their remains to Afghanistan and distribute them in the north-west of the country. Hamid Karzai (former president) spoke about this at a meeting with Putin in Moscow, which was broadcast on TV. hi
        1. 0
          July 9 2021
          I clarify the question .... they coexist peacefully and are jointly ready to "intrigue" the Central Asian states and indirectly to us ???
          You can talk Karzai ... wherever you want and ... there, the same and the rest of many.
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            1. +1
              July 9 2021
              That's right, the Taliban are tailoring the country specifically for their own idea, they are not particularly eager to go outside, although they will bite off a piece from Pakistan, it is very likely.
              What facts about them are still interesting, important ...

              they are negotiable, for some time now, which China is demonstrating.

              they, before, did not deal with "white" before, it is likely that they will do so in the future ... if they do not cut off their sources of income, in other, more acceptable ways.

              they did not climb into other people's territories until they began to pressure from the outside.

              they are, of course, a Muslim state / government, in an archaic form !!! but who are we to tell them how they should live ???
  16. +1
    July 9 2021
    "Firstly, it is not entirely clear in what form these assurances are given. Orally?"

    Yes, there is that in writing, that "I swear by my mother" equally does not mean anything.
  17. -4
    July 9 2021
    The Taliban delegation visited the memorial to the wars of internationalists and with the words - I remember, I am proud, I can repeat, went to the second round of negotiations ...
  18. -4
    July 9 2021
    But nothing is done just like that!
    For several years, we have been flooded with the culture of wearing a beard, look how many barbershops have opened across the country.
    Now we huddle the Taliban at the state level ...

    Another question worries me now! All sorts of Penkins, Moiseevs, Trumpeters, Bilans, Zverevs and other rear-wheel drive - well, not just like that on TV? And the head of state is suspicious of a divorce ...
  19. nnm
    +3
    July 9 2021
    So I have only one question for my colleagues protesting against the negotiations - is there someone who wants to repeat the war in Afghanistan, or is it better to disperse without bloodshed?
    Yes, even during that first war, we constantly had secret negotiations even with the same Pancher lion. If there is an option to save the lives of your soldiers, it must be used without fail.
    1. -3
      July 9 2021
      A counter question, do we have to fight in Afghanistan and for what purpose?
      If you draw a parallel with the introduction of Soviet troops into Afghanistan, then there was a goal to prevent our southern republics from nearing a country that fell under the influence of the West (deployment of NATO bases, etc.).

      Now what is the problem? There are buffer countries between Afghanistan and Russia. And the very presence of the enemy military there was welcomed at all levels, the transit through our country was going on.
  20. -3
    July 9 2021
    Here is another example of the effectiveness of the use of force, where and when it is needed! In Syria, the bearded were unwound, so the Taliban are afraid, they flew in with promises.
    1. -4
      July 9 2021
      Can you please be more specific who we unrolled in Syria and when?
  21. -5
    July 9 2021
    There can be no negotiations, no cooperation, no tolerance with terrorists, only direct murder. Terrorists are not moderate. Hence the conclusion - anyone who enters into negotiations with them is a direct accomplice who should be tried.
  22. 0
    July 9 2021
    The promises given to the incorrect have no value and are not binding - Read the Quran. Didn't Afghan, the two Chechen wars and the behavior of "representatives of small but proud Caucasian peoples" on your streets really teach you anything?
  23. +1
    July 9 2021
    One thing is clear ... there is no other real entity in Afghanistan to negotiate with.
    That is exactly what will happen soon and it will have to be taken into account by EVERYONE.
  24. 0
    July 9 2021
    Aha! They believed the wolf that he would not touch the white lamb in the forest ... and even) it will graze and ... bring grass)))
  25. 0
    July 9 2021
    There is one thing after all - either they are terrorists "banned in the Russian Federation" or the subjects of international negotiations. It is impossible and not necessary to combine this in one bottle.
    The delegates, damn it, handed over the RPG for temporary storage and sat down at a table with mineral water on Smolenskaya Square ..
    This is, in fact, a new step - if earlier we shamelessly accepted terrorists whom we do not call terrorists, now we accept those whom we ourselves consider terrorists. This is called "political scouring", and nothing good can be expected from such a "position".
    Yes, such negotiations are underway in the world. BUT! - Not in the official offices of the country's higher institutions, And! - only if the legitimate party to the negotiations has real levers of pressure.
    Otherwise, given the eastern mentality, it will not be perceived in any other way, except as weakness.
  26. -1
    July 9 2021
    the Taliban terrorist movement (banned in Russia).


    The day before, the discussion of these and other related issues took place in Moscow, where the delegation of the said group arrived.

    In total, the delegation of the Taliban leadership * will be in Russia during the visit for two days.


    It's funny ..))
  27. -1
    July 9 2021
    rocket757 ...I clarify the question .... they coexist peacefully and are jointly ready to "intrigue" the Central Asian states and indirectly to us ??

    In parallel, each in its own area of ​​responsibility established by the Anglo-Saxons. Do not forget that China with its problematic Uyghurs is also nearby. Terror and provocations, intimidation and enticement of the population,
    distribution of money and weapons - as a result, chaos and instability in the region.
    The United States came out, preparing everything for this. There are already clashes on the borders of the Asian countries of the CSTO. And these are flowers. (like this, in 2 words).
    And there was a sea of ​​information on the transfer of "igils" to Afghanistan, besides Karzai. hi
  28. 0
    July 9 2021
    Such organizations who are friends with Alkaida (albeit former ones) have to send a bouquet of calibers in response. Such games will not lead to anything good.
  29. -2
    July 9 2021
    Captain Ovechkin: "In Russia we are used to chatting a lot. In the end, we have what we have."
    It is not necessary for the "world community" to know the content of the agreements between the Russian Federation and the Afghans. Now this is not their problem.
  30. 0
    July 9 2021
    Why weren't they shot down on the approach? They will shit in the Foreign Ministry building. It's easier to jail some of your own citizens for mentioning the Taliban. And take away the soul, and observe the law.
  31. 0
    July 9 2021
    "It's all strange, in Russia the Taliban have been declared terrorists and at the same time in the Kremlin they are negotiating with them."
    Yes, let go of them already, finally! Stop fighting there! This is an unfortunate and poor strangle !!! Let them live as they want !!! The main thing, of course, is not to get into Russia through the neighboring Pseudo-states ...
  32. 0
    July 9 2021
    The Taliban can be trusted at their word, they are not Anglo-Saxons.

    And while we believe them, 201 bases need to be strengthened and prepared for war.
  33. -1
    July 9 2021
    Remember and respect the Russian Soldier!
  34. 0
    July 9 2021
    Quote: scientist
    Their interests are purely national and not related to the United States. Cooperation with them is another nail in the coffin of the American unipolar world. And the fact that the Taliban are considered terrorists is all relative. The United States and its allies are destroying thousands of civilians, and no one officially declares them terrorists.

    As soon as the Taliban squeeze Central Asia, they will trample on Russia. They now need Russia to leave Tajikistan.
  35. 0
    July 11 2021
    So the Taliban in Russia is a banned organization or is it okay to negotiate with them?
  36. 0
    July 12 2021
    Will Lavrov be held accountable for his connections with a terrorist organization?

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