"Reduce either flights or aircraft": in the United States worried about the growing costs of F-35 fighters

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Sooner or later, the US Air Force will not be able to cope with financing the operation and maintenance of the fifth generation F-35 aircraft. Defense News author Valerie Insinna is convinced of this, having analyzed the existing Air Force policy towards F-35 fighters. As the American observer writes, if the costs become too large, the Air Force command will have to make a choice - either to reduce the purchase of aircraft, or to reduce the number of flight hours.

Difficulties may come as early as the next decade: by 2036, the US military is expected to find it difficult to maintain the operation of F-35 fighters, unless the cost of the tail unit is reduced. According to Insinna, the cost of the tail unit per year is an indicator by which the Pentagon analyzes the scale of the cost of annual maintenance of one aircraft.



In 2036, the gap between the actual cost of maintaining the F-35 and the actual capabilities of the US Department of Defense will be $ 6 billion. Of these, $ 4,4 billion will fall within the purview of the Air Force, which plans to purchase a record number of fifth-generation fighters by this time. The number of planned purchases is impressive: the Air Force is talking about the acquisition of 1763 F-35A aircraft.

Meanwhile, the US Air Force argues that if maintenance costs do not decrease, the service will have to reduce the number of F-35A aircraft planned for acquisition. The Chief of Staff of the US Air Force, General S.K.Brown, recently spoke of the likelihood of a reduction in the F-35A procurement program and the acquisition of cheaper aircraft.

The total amount of the F-35 program is also impressive: Valerie Insinna writes that the fifth generation fighter jet will cost US taxpayers a total of $ 1,7 trillion over the entire life cycle of the program. At the same time, the costs of maintenance, fuel and training ammunition, auxiliary equipment, and personnel training are very large-scale. They are estimated at $ 1,3 trillion. This figure is already $ 150 billion higher than the one that was named in 2012, when the program was drawn up in its modern form.

The Air Force is not alone in having financial problems. For example, the Marine Corps, which uses both the short takeoff and landing F-35B and the F-35C version, risks spending $ 900 million more than its actual financial capabilities.

The U.S. Navy also risks being down $ 655 million by 2036. The military claims that even if they got spare parts for the plane free of charge, all the same, the costs of maintaining the F-35 would be 14% higher than the amounts that they have.

The ways of solving the problem, which are proposed at the Pentagon, do not inspire much confidence so far. For example, the military department proposes to transfer maintenance performed by contractors to military personnel. But this is unlikely to allow large savings. In addition, the military is putting pressure on Lockheed Martin, claiming that it can reduce the cost of maintaining the F-35 by making it cheaper to operate.
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  1. +5
    July 8 2021
    Those. are the problems purely economic? Is this "miracle" beyond their means?
    The question is, is it worth believing to the end?
    1. -2
      July 8 2021
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is, is it worth believing to the end?

      The answer is no, it's not worth it.
      Against the background of the Pentagon's annual budget of 700 yards of dollars, the announced expenditures until 2036 for them are like grain for an elephant.
      And the printing press is always at hand.
      1. -1
        July 8 2021
        Quote: Alexey Sommer
        Quote: rocket757
        The question is, is it worth believing to the end?

        The answer is no, it's not worth it.
        Against the background of the Pentagon's annual budget of 700 yards of dollars, the announced expenditures until 2036 for them are like grain for an elephant.
        And the printing press is always at hand.

        So much if ...
        1. 0
          July 8 2021
          It is not so easy in such questions / problems.
          There is and if and because, and many more how.
      2. +3
        July 8 2021
        To say that they have money ... is endless, scoop it up, you can't get it out, it's doubtful.
        However, this is their business. Let's look from the outside.
      3. +4
        July 8 2021
        Quote: Alexey Sommer

        And the printing press is always at hand.


        When you read real news, for some reason you see with enviable regularity that the Congress stopped funding, did not give an increase, cut funding - of those or other defense programs.

        And only in the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet - there are certainties about the printing press ...
        1. 0
          July 8 2021
          Quote: SovAr238A
          And only in the Russian-speaking segment of the Internet - there are certainties about the printing press ...

          Oh, don't ... specific delusions / fantasies are not tied to any particular country, nationality. They interpret it differently, but the essence is the same, among a specific circle of people in ANY country.
      4. 0
        July 8 2021
        And the printing press is always at hand.

        this is on condition that all other countries, as in the past, will invest in these same dollars. Something suggests that a second Bretton Wood should not be expected.
    2. 0
      July 8 2021
      Quote: rocket757
      The question is, is it worth believing to the end?

      The question is different. Even if we take into account that some part will go for sale, part for replacement of their own worn-out fleet, where are they going to have 1000 more planes? We take the year 2036 minus 2-3 years, i.e. Are the states in the early thirties planning to conduct active hostilities? WITH WHOM?
      1. 0
        July 8 2021
        But what plans are they hatching, what are they really able, they want to implement ... this is an interesting question ???
      2. 0
        July 9 2021
        Then the USSR will be restored, and the expenses will be written off to someone else. Although this is a sad joke (
    3. +1
      July 8 2021
      either flights or airplanes.
      Or sell them to allies.
      1. 0
        July 8 2021
        Quote: knn54
        either flights or airplanes.
        Or sell them to allies.

        There will be the first and the second and the third ...
        And flights and planes and sales.
        And everything will go in parallel, but not damage to anything.

        And there is compote and dessert ... :)
    4. 0
      July 8 2021
      Interestingly, the Yankees are preparing for the production of 6th generation aircraft! Then, f35 or only for export, or stop producing altogether! That new generation will be much more expensive and more difficult to come out, then the Yankee budget will not withstand the financial burden, a collapse will be inevitable.
    5. 0
      July 8 2021
      It's time for the States to think about it! That it is necessary to cut the army, cut ships and missiles, dispose of armored vehicles, cut the budget of the Pentagon and special services, cut everything!
      If you don’t know how: let the name of Chubais, Yavlinsky and other friends of Gaidar be called - they will surely and skillfully all the razor .... they will help you to sort it out!
    6. 0
      July 8 2021
      Quote: rocket757
      Those. are the problems purely economic? Is this "miracle" beyond their means?
      The question is, is it worth believing to the end?


      The problems are purely mathematical.
      Affordable.
      Do not be.
      The flight plans that the Pentagon announced in 2010 and which were estimated - just 20-30% (unclear for sure) - are lower than the actual flying hours of the car in fact.
      Here is the cost overrun.
      Themselves to blame.
      They fly more than they wanted - that's more cost!
      Moreover, in connection with the throwing of several trillion dollars into the economy, there is inflation.
      it also raises all costs.
      1. 0
        July 8 2021
        Their affairs, their accountants are counting, but what matters to us, what and how they think ... we would have to reduce debit with credit correctly and this is the main thing.
    7. 0
      July 8 2021
      Quote: rocket757
      Is this "miracle" beyond their means?

      Why not, everything has its limit, abundance too. From the Washington Post, an article about six months ago -
      Today in the United States, amid coronavirus infections, unemployment and economic instability, the percentage of petty thefts has increased significantly. Moreover, the Americans take out of the stores not TVs and other expensive equipment, but food, hygiene and baby products. With the help of theft, US citizens are trying to survive in a country plagued by famine.
      Grocery store owners and supermarket guards said that at least once a day, someone is trying to steal a package of meat, a pack of rice or some other commodity, hiding the prey under a jacket. Diapers, shampoos and washing powders also began to disappear in large quantities.
      The number of Americans forced to “steal food to survive” is growing steadily. Today, more than 20 million Americans now live on unemployment benefits. If lawmakers fail to prepare a new stimulus package in time, 12 million people will stop receiving their payments immediately after Christmas.
      https://www.pravda-tv.ru/2020/12/17/480296/amerikantsy-nachali-massovo-vorovat-chtoby-preodolet-golod
      1. +1
        July 8 2021
        The trouble is serious and it will not do without consequences for anyone.
        Someone has more, someone less ...
        About the states ... they wrote more than once that the crisis, serious, systemic, began long ago, the infection simply aggravated it and pushed it out.
        We want to believe, we do not want, we do not believe ... time will inexorably show who was / is right.
      2. -1
        July 8 2021
        Today in the United States, amid coronavirus infections, unemployment and economic instability, the percentage of petty thefts has increased significantly. Moreover, the Americans take out of the stores not TVs and other expensive equipment, but food, hygiene and baby products. With the help of theft, US citizens try to survive in a country plagued by famine
        https://www.pravda-tv.ru/2020/12/17/480296/amerikantsy-nachali-massovo-vorovat-chtoby-preodolet-golod

        And they gave a link to some cheap, like a news site. Try to go down on this site and see the number of the media registration certificate, try to find it at all - I did not find it, but on "VO" right away.
        Where is the link to the Washington Post article at the end of the article on this site?
        The article begins with the words "In the Washington Post, what are modern Americans doing?" Well, with such a crooked beginning, the author even hesitated to give his last name.
        Linking to such shit sites is like linking to Yandex Zen, Speed-Info or Dushenova.
        PS The founder of Speed-Info was arrested in absentia. Andrey Mann owes creditors and journalists half a billion ...
        https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4528385
        1. -1
          July 8 2021
          Quote: Vladimir Rostovsky
          And they gave me a link to some cheap, like a news site.

          Not satisfied with the previous resource, look here to confirm the words from the resource that does not suit you, https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10638133?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
          WASHINGTON, February 5. / TASS /. The United States economy continues to struggle with the effects of the novel coronavirus pandemic, with a total of 36 million Americans starving for food. This was announced on Friday by US President Joe Biden, speaking at the White House.
          The American leader cited this data, speaking of the need to adopt the $ 1,9 trillion stimulus package that he proposed to the economy.

          "It is absolutely clear that the economy is still in a difficult position," admitted Biden. "More than 10 million people were left without work, and 4 million are unemployed for six months or more, <...> 24 million adults and 12 million children literally do not have enough food," he said.
          1. -1
            July 9 2021
            You wrote
            From the Washington Post, an article about six months ago -

            in which it is allegedly written
            Moreover, the Americans take out of the stores not TVs and other expensive equipment, but food, hygiene and baby products. By stealing, US citizens are trying to survive in a country plagued by famine.
            Grocery store owners and supermarket guards said that at least once a day, someone is trying to steal a package of meat, a pack of rice or some other commodity, hiding the prey under a jacket. Diapers, shampoos and washing powders also began to disappear in large quantities.
            The number of Americans forced to “steal food to survive” is growing steadily.

            And before there they did not steal in stores? And how to understand whether a person is stealing because he has nothing to eat or he just wanted or he is a kleptomaniac - this is what I mean, these are jaundiced statements warming the hearts of patriots. So where is the link to it in the Washington Post, where do you claim the above was written?
            Because "literally not enough food" in different countries can be interpreted in different ways, given that in 328 million US more than 40% of the population is overweight, because they can afford to eat high-calorie ready-made food. They do not have enough for semi-finished products and McDonald's, and now they have to save money and buy natural meat, vegetables and cook themselves? After all, their share of spending on food does not average 40%, as in Russia, in developed countries a completely different ratio, on average - 10%.
            https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4190574
            And if we consider that "Perekrestok" has calculated a healthy food basket that includes at least 400g of vegetables and fruits for every day, with an average cost of 7500r. per person for a month.
            https://healthy-perekrestok.ru/healthy-food-basket
            it turns out that the Americans cannot scrape together "some penny" in their budget to feed themselves?
            On Pikabu there is a post about a Russian girl living in the USA and eating wholesome food "Cost of living in New York. Food prices in New York. How to live on 6 bucks a day. My student life at NYU".
            She also has a YouTube channel, here she walks around the store and shows the prices for vegetables and fruits and their quality https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJWqcWWqL_Q
            Summing up: in terms of fruits and vegetables, in Russia there is no such quality product in chain stores in principle, just as there is no such variety, despite the fact that she says in the video that this is the cheapest store in New York, also buying sausage, milk and so on, unlike in the United States, a consumer in Russia cannot be sure that he is buying a quality product, the terms and conditions of storage are also violated, and this situation is typical, a link to a channel where an unthinkable amount of delays are raked out at each shopping trip, where you bargain with the police and security guards so that they show you your ID and other trash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thgsh98O73o
            1. 0
              July 9 2021
              Look, there is an assumption that -
              Quote: rocket757
              Those. are the problems purely economic? Is this "miracle" beyond their means?
              The question is, is it worth believing to the end?

              Further, since the well-being of citizens of states is a reflection of the economy as a whole, then I write -
              Quote: Jura
              Why not, everything has its limit, abundance too.

              and as an example, I cite a quote. You get into the dialogue, you do not like the resource, I quote from an article from another resource that fully confirms the conclusions of the first one. Are you on the topic of our dialogue, can you say anything? Biden's words mean nothing at all? And this is in the country where the president could give this out only if the issue is really acute, the United States positions itself as a prosperous country in all respects and in every possible way supports this opinion about itself. Before you pound the water in a mortar, you would have delved into the meaning, before bothering yourself with writing that has nothing to do with the essence of the issue.
              1. 0
                July 10 2021
                I wanted to read an article in the Washington Post in which the colors are so exaggerated that I can't even say that about Russia, let alone the United States, given the gap in GDP by an order of magnitude, data from the Russian wiki, which refers to the IMF, in trillion. Doll:
                USA 2018 - 20611 2019 - 21433 2020 - 20807
                Russia 2018 - 1665 2019 - 1702 2020 - 1464
                where, as you say, it is said, summarizing
                With the help of theft, US citizens try to survive in a country plagued by famine

                But it is not fate that is visible.
                But some have "thin soup, while others have small pearls."
                48,2 percent of Russian families have enough money only for food and clothing.
                https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/4219146
                1. 0
                  July 10 2021
                  Quote: Vladimir Rostovsky
                  48,2 percent of Russian families only have enough money for food and clothing
                  Does this have anything to do with the US economy and the choice of reducing the number of F 35s or the number of flights of this device?
                  My post was not about the fact that everything is bad in the USA and they steal food there so as not to die of hunger, but about their economy and with which not everything is as smooth as you want to see and show. This conclusion can be reached from -
                  Quote: Jura
                  "It is absolutely clear that the economy is still in a difficult position. "Biden admitted. "More than 10 million people were left without work, and 4 million are unemployed for six months or more, <...> 24 million adults and 12 million children literally don't have enough food", - from
                  I am absolutely indifferent to the United States, rather I have a bad attitude towards it. I understand what it is, why I treat it this way, and for what reasons. You are trying to prove to everyone that everything is in the openwork because in Russia it is even worse, why do you need it? They definitely do not need this, they will not notice and appreciate it, they will do without you and your attempts, trying in vain and wasting time.
  2. +1
    July 8 2021
    Did they print two trillion to the population, but poorly to the Pentagon?
  3. +2
    July 8 2021
    In one word, "Wherever you throw - everywhere a wedge." Interestingly, has Israel calculated what the operation and new purchases of this aircraft will result in, or will foreign countries help us according to the principle?
    1. +3
      July 8 2021
      Israel has counted.
      100 F-35 will replace 200 F-16.
      For about the same money for service.
      But also the effectiveness of one F-35, as 2-3 F-16 in shock missions.
      1. -1
        July 8 2021
        and lope you have an F-16? feel
        1. 0
          July 8 2021
          I wrote - two hundred. Two hundred was before the start of F-35 deliveries.
          Now some have already been sold, some are being sold.
          1. +2
            July 9 2021
            no, more than 225, it was 247 in the middle of last year, but some were sold
  4. +1
    July 8 2021
    In March 2021, in the US Congress, the US Audit Office reported on F-35 operating problems leading to large cost overruns, and this article sets out some of that data. In general, the picture is more unsightly. I advise the "warrior", the biggest fan of the F-35 on the VO, to read these conclusions. (he who seeks will find). Wealthy Switzerland buys 36 aircraft, not knowing why. Who is threatening Switzerland? And Poland, which is subsidized by the EU, is climbing in the same direction. The gentlemen will remain without harem pants, sitting in the shade under the F-35.
    1. -4
      July 8 2021
      "Wealthy Switzerland buys 36 aircraft, not knowing why. Who is threatening Switzerland?" ///
      ----
      You are confusing premise and conclusion. smile
      Rich Switzerland precisely because
      no one threatens (and will not threaten) that it has a strong modern aircraft and army.
      1. +2
        July 8 2021
        voyaka uh ...... that she has a strong modern aviation and army

        The rich have their quirks. Switzerland's security is not in a strong army, but in its banking system, which, like a spider web, has entangled the whole world.
        The elite of many leading countries hide their "labor savings" there.
        1. +2
          July 8 2021
          This is no longer there. In early 2000, the CIA forced Swiss banks to declassify customers' safes and bank accounts.
          Threatening to terminate the activities of Swiss banks in the United States.
          And there they make almost all the profits.
          Switzerland's economy is based on high-tech: electronics, devices, precision mechanics, applied science.
      2. -1
        July 8 2021
        In 1997, Switzerland, based on the results of a plebiscite (sic!), Bought 32 Hornets C and D. Now the government of the Confederation intends to buy 36 "flying gold bars". Does this mean that the efficiency of the F-35 is lower than that of the F / A-18? Well, or understandably: what for goat accordions?
  5. 0
    July 8 2021
    How does the cost of the tail unit affect the cost of operating an aircraft? ... enlighten me.
    1. +3
      July 8 2021
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      How does the cost of the tail unit affect the cost of operating an aircraft?

      Apparently, the tail unit of the F-35, during the operation period, bears the greatest load and, accordingly, the cost of maintenance.
      1. +2
        July 8 2021
        but does not affect in any way, these are the difficulties of translating the original article, just below I wrote what I meant
        1. +2
          July 8 2021
          Oh, thanks! drinks good I didn't bother to read the original.
          Cost per tail is equivalent to the Russian "cost per tail" (that is, for one piece).
          In Russia, they think "on the nose", in America "on the tail". laughing
    2. 0
      July 8 2021
      The F-35 does not have a rotary nozzle.
      Meanwhile, he is very maneuverable.
      Can complete a full circle in a small radius at a speed of 0.9 MAX.
      The tail load is high.
      1. +2
        July 8 2021
        but the tail in the article was generally accidentally dragged due to an incorrect translation
      2. 0
        July 8 2021
        Can complete a full circle in a small radius at a speed of 0.9 MAX.

        For reasons of economy, this regime may soon be banned.
    3. -2
      July 8 2021
      Very simple. When the penguin tries to go supersonic, the tail unit begins to melt. Fu-35 is essentially a subsonic useless bucket, which even the MiG-15 can perfectly shoot down.
      1. +3
        July 8 2021
        You have misunderstood the information.
        The F-35 is excellent at supersonic performance, giving up to 1.65 MAX.
        The tail unit does not melt, its strength does not change.
        But the stealth coating on the edge of the tail unit, adjoining
        to the nozzle. And it has to be "tinted" after the flight.
  6. 0
    July 8 2021
    Yes, the Americans saw it all - there is not enough money for airplanes.
    - The level of cutting in the American military-industrial complex has no equal in the world.
  7. +2
    July 8 2021
    Why would it be, the Pentagon will listen to the opinion of someone who is an expert. They will rivet the penguins and fly at them until the anti-radiation coating falls off. Paint defects on our cars affect the speed. They never did. Not a little noticeable, but very noticeable. On one steamer on the left side there was no ladder, we always moored to the pier on the starboard side. And the steamer died not because of the absence of the ladder, but because it burned down, standing on the starboard side at the pier in the Canary Islands.
  8. -1
    July 8 2021
    Nezalezhnaya wanted to buy these planes! Presumably, her entire budget will be spent on the purchase of aviation fuel and maintenance of a dozen aircraft? wink wink
    1. +4
      July 8 2021
      Do not forget that, among other things, she still needs to maintain a fleet of American rusty decommissioned boats and rubber inflatable boats on rowing traction.
      1. 0
        July 8 2021
        And what about feeding and supporting the NATO warriors who come to all sorts of teachings more and more often? You also need to! Moreover, in order to please them, otherwise they write there that they are fed badly!
  9. bar
    +2
    July 8 2021
    "Reduce either flights or aircraft"

    The question is not correct. It is necessary to increase flights, and then the number of penguins will decrease naturally laughing
  10. 0
    July 8 2021
    The article is not on the topic, where are the fans who pray for the penguin?
  11. 0
    July 8 2021
    I haven't read such nonsense for a long time:
    [quote Difficulties may come as early as the next decade: by 2036, the US military is expected to find it difficult to maintain the operation of F-35 fighters, unless the cost of the tail unit is reduced. As Insinna writes, the cost of the tail unit per year is an indicator by which the Pentagon analyzes the scale of costs for the annual maintenance of one aircraft. L] [/ quote]
    In fact, a new generation of ROAFAR radar is on the way, and then, and this will be much earlier than 2036. , F35 will send to PENZIA as well as F117, because he is NOT ABLE to fight even with a MiG 29 which will have ROAFAR!
    That's why F35 was drained, never in the USA the army was a problem of MONEY printing the press works in full afterburner.
  12. +1
    July 8 2021
    The further into the forest, the thicker the partisans)))) from the very beginning he said that F - 35, a grandiose scam of "Lockheed" for pumping money from the budget and not only mattress))))
  13. +3
    July 8 2021
    unless the cost of the tail unit decreases

    Of course, I understand that the authors on VO do not know English and use Google translate, but this is the bottom, having seen the incomprehensible term Cost per tail in the original article, the author decided not to bother and just copy and paste the result of Google translation and, in addition, otar incomprehensible with not clear the meaning of the article, which, without reading the original, rushed to discuss the forum participants,
    so what is cost per tail? tail costs ... hmm ... ottochnye costs, and these are indirect costs when purchasing something that is not directly related to the operation, even if the penguins after the acquisition are never refueled and do not take to the air, some amounts will still be spent for their content, and depending on the requirements of the manufacturer and service protocols and especially the content and storage, these amounts can be very significant,
    and they will be spent regardless of the rate of operation, I am not strong in Russian-language terms, but Cost per tail is such a limiting basic consumption that depends on the number of pieces and does not depend on the hours of operation, it is these fundamental costs that the author of the original steel proposes to reduce and it depends not only on logheed martin but also on the operators,
    In general, Ilya Polonsky is a fat two for turning over an article from Defense News (also not very good)
    better read this one https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-21-505t
  14. +2
    July 8 2021
    summary of the original article:
    if we want to reduce costs, that is, there are two ways or to reduce operating costs and "fly less" or reduce constant, roughly speaking "buy less", the author just proposes not to be so straightforward and put pressure on Lockheed in order to reduce operating costs and put pressure on the warrior, to reduce the constants (you can, for example, reduce the number of coffee machines laughing )
  15. -2
    July 8 2021
    It is a pity that the author of the article is not so professional. Many can belittle the F35. However, this is the only invisible aircraft in the world taking part in military operations in Syria. Not a single one has been shot down yet. Israel buys them for a reason.

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