"The behavior of the Russians was strikingly different from the behavior of the Poles and allies" - from the memoirs of German officers

_{Monument to the Soviet soldier at the entrance to the Central Museum of the Armed Forces}

Memoirs and recordings of the German military who fought against the Soviet Union often make it clear how the enemy's attitude towards the Soviet soldier and the Soviet people as a whole changed. If in the first days of the war this attitude was for the most part disdainful, mixed with disgust and a clear overestimation of one's own capabilities, then gradually arrogance was lost.

Back in Brest, when the Nazis faced incredible resistance from the defenders of the Brest Fortress, the first notes and letters appeared home that "the war with the Russians could drag on." When the Nazi invaders suffered their first major defeat - near Moscow - it began to come to the understanding that the propaganda of the Goebbels department, multiplied by its own underestimation of the Red Army, could go sideways.

The "Memories of a Soldier" channel presents excerpts from the memoirs of German officers who fought on the Eastern Front. These materials can be treated in different ways, but the fact remains: they are proof that the psychology of the Nazis in the USSR changed significantly. Those who gave orders to burn villages together with their inhabitants, those for whom the commission of war crimes was the norm, suddenly had a desire to "know the Russian soul." Why all of a sudden?

The answer may be related to the fact that they were simply afraid for themselves, counting on the breadth of that very Russian soul and Russian immense generosity. And indeed, many, being in captivity, were eventually able to return home. Could Soviet people from German captivity be able to return home under the same circumstances? The question is more rhetorical. Especially when you consider how many Soviet prisoners of war could not get out of the Nazi torture chambers.

General G. Blumentritt wrote in his notes:

The behavior of the Russians, even in the first battle, was strikingly different from the behavior of the Poles and allies.

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[tihonmarine]

I hate Hitlerites and Nazis, and I do not admire them.

[Tank jacket]

In the Yeltsin Center today they told how German soldiers who did not want to fight were feeding Soviet children with sweets and plum jam. And also, as barrage detachments shot the retreating Red Army soldiers.
The event was supervised by the German Consulate General.
The Yeltsin Center marked the date of June 22 in its own way. Yes, also with sorrow, but very peculiar. On this day, they preferred to remember that not all the Nazis who invaded the territory of the USSR were scoundrels. Like, among them there were many simple good people who were "forced"

We have already heard this, for example, from the unforgettable boy Kolya from Urengoy, who in the German Bundestag, to the applause of the deputies, told a touching story about a poor Wehrmacht soldier who did not want to fight, but ended up in the "so-called Stalingrad cauldron", where he was taken prisoner , and then to the Soviet prisoner of war camp, where he "could not bear difficult conditions" and died. Poor fellow. Probably, in the context of stories about the Great Patriotic War, the very thing to remember the poor soldiers of the Wehrmacht and how cruelly they were treated in Soviet captivity. Well, really, not to talk about concentration camps, where Soviet prisoners of war were kept and who died and were destroyed there by hundreds of thousands. And almost two tens of millions of civilians of the USSR who died from hunger, cold, bombs and shelling, shot and hanged are not as important a topic of conversation as "Wehrmacht soldiers who did not want to fight."

What is noteworthy, in the case of the Yeltsin Center on June 22, schoolchildren and ... the General Consulate of Germany, under whose auspices this whole Sabbath took place, again went into action. And the format was very similar. Children read out their reports about "good German soldiers" who, it turns out, not only killed millions of Soviet citizens, but sometimes even treated Soviet children to sweets, or even plum jam. Probably in between murders. And judging by the number of those killed, these breaks were short enough, but nevertheless, these good-hearted fellows managed to shove candy to a hungry Soviet child ...

[Tank jacket]

http://www.stoletie.ru/obschestvo/kto_postavil_pamatnik_fashistam_v_rossii_583.htm

[Flashpoint]

Quote: Tank jacket

http://www.stoletie.ru/obschestvo/kto_postavil_pamatnik_fashistam_v_rossii_583.htm

Yes, such bestiality cannot be described in one word, only if it is very obscene: disgust, anger, misunderstanding, resentment, hatred ...

[Fitter]

Quote: Tank jacket

http://www.stoletie.ru/obschestvo/kto_postavil_pamatnik_fashistam_v_rossii_583.htm

This, excuse me, is of some kind. All over Russia they erect monuments (not tombstones!) To those who killed us - the White Czechs, Krasnovs, Hungarians, Mannerheims and other scum. Soon they will remove from the pedestals "thirty-four" and put on them Hitler's "grooves" ???

[Miragor B]

what's wrong? It’s clear that the Wehrmacht troops were people of different strata of society. And, by the way, by a special order, regular Wehrmacht troops were prohibited from participating in punitive actions - Ukrainians, Balts, Crimean Tatars, etc. were used for these actions.

[Tank jacket]

Quote: Miragore B

what's wrong? It’s clear that the Wehrmacht troops were people of different strata of society. And, by the way, by a special order, regular Wehrmacht troops were prohibited from participating in punitive actions - Ukrainians, Balts, Crimean Tatars, etc. were used for these actions.

Kolya from Urengoy?

[d1975]

Maybe it is so, but forgive me at my house the Germans run the show !? And whatever there was, they are enemies and were defeated, and do not freak out figs! Time will pass and they will become heroes (fascists), and the Soviet soldier will become the enemy of the Red Army. After such lectures, Kolya will become the sea. After all, everything is, as before, undermining from the inside. You have to be strong always and everywhere, and not only in 1945! In my opinion, there is a substitution of values ​​and an undermining of statehood.

[Tank jacket]

... "After all, everything is, as before, undermining from the inside" ...
Information warfare on the historical front.

[demo]

Dear Dmitry.
Let me remind you of the phrase of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief of the USSR:
"The experience of history says that Hitlers come and go, but the German people, and the German state remains"
Pravda, February 23, 1942.
Therefore, J.V. Stalin believed that the Germans who did not stain themselves with service in the Wehrmacht, as well as those who were captured, but later released and sent home to Germany (one of two), could not be further accused for old well-known deeds. only if new circumstances are revealed.
Are there no contradictions?
Come on.
If everyone (down to the last soldier, including cooks, doctors, quartermasters, secretaries in headquarters and the like) are equated with criminals, then it was necessary to roll all 13.5 million Germans serving in the Wehrmacht into permafrost in Kolyma. Those Germans who worked at the factories of Krupa, Messerschmitt, etc. as accomplices of fascism, forging his sword, there too. Chekhov, Poles, Slovaks, Romanians, Bulgarians are further down the list, after them.
And leave, instead of Europe, a wasteland, burnt to the ground!
So, or not?
Stalin, even with Western Ukraine and the Banderaites, did not want to do this.
Eight years later, the bastards went home. And today we are reaping the fruits of the softness and forgiveness of the Soviet regime.

So what should have been done?
And then the colleague "Tank jacket" called the "ruts from Urengoy" man.

[Fitter]

Stalin was wrong, as was the case with the Banderaites. Yes. Everyone who wore the uniform of the Hitlerite army and other structures had to be rolled up to the Kolyma. And now, due to Stalin's excessive kindness, the Banderaites are in power in Ukraine, and in Russia they are erecting monuments to the "good Hitlerites."

[demo]

It seems to us who live today that the Leader should have acted differently.
And to my great regret, he could not do otherwise.

[phalanger]

under Stalin, Bandera were in camps. And, Khrushchev brought them under the amnesty

[zenion]

d1975. Undermining what statehood? The bazaar cannot be a state. They make money at the bazaar, and there they eat with clubs that don't let them interfere with the bazaar. Moreover, some of the bazaar tell others that this is their homeland and they need to be protected.

[sleeve]

And let's make it even simpler: "People are killed by soulless bullets, for bullets no one can answer them ..."

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Tank jacket

In the Yeltsin Center today they told how German soldiers who did not want to fight were feeding Soviet children with sweets and plum jam.

Old people (and at that time there were children), still remember "the uterus of the trigger, the uterus of the egg, the milk."
And instead of sweets "shissen partisan".

[ada]

Exactly! What familiar words. From the memoirs of a grandmother in 1 MV, she lived in childhood in Western Ukraine. Something flew by and a hole appeared in the roof of the hut, Shooting. We hid. After a while the rumor "The Germans are coming!" She and her younger brother hid behind a curtain on the stove. The Germans came in and began to chase their mother: "The mother of the trigger, the egg, the milk! Shnel! Shnel! Shnel!" (they also called potatoes and other vegetables) - they took away food, the voices were harsh, harsh, my brother got scared and cried. The German drew back the curtain and saw us children. He looked at the roaring brother and threw him some kind of bread in the form of a small bun. Are gone. Then later my brother was very hungry and gnawed on this strange-looking loaf. I almost died, suffered for a long time with stomach pains, as it turned out that it swells greatly when wetted and requires preparation for use.

[Polite Moose]

Quote: Tank jacket

these breaks were short enough, but nevertheless, these good fellows managed to shove candy to a hungry Soviet child ...

5 points!
And Kolya gave you a minus.

[ava09]

(C) In the Yeltsin Center today they told how German soldiers who did not want to fight fed Soviet children with sweets and plum jam (C) Why go to this den at all? Just ask yourself the question: What would the victorious front-line soldiers do with this brothel?

[Akuzenka]

Just ask yourself the question: What would the victorious front-line soldiers do with this brothel?

The answer to this question is crystal clear. The answer to another question is not clear: Why does the government hold such events? The answer, in principle, is also clear, but this creeps in a thought that is painfully bad.

[Shishiga]

Why does the government hold such events? The answer, in principle, is also clear, but this creeps in a thought that is painfully bad.

before you write, you would first think, and then write.
The center is located in a certain city and is guarded by the authorities of this city, either by the city authorities or by the authorities of the country, otherwise it is somehow not very clear about which ones you are writing about.

[Akuzenka]

Uh, no, colleague. I asked the question correctly and deliberately. If you do not understand that a vertical of power has been built in the Russian Federation, then why did you not write this at all? Therefore, my word "power" has a clear meaning. The power in the Russian Federation is the same, but about the groups in power, leave it at the mercy of the groups in power. If "Yeltsin's mausoleum" exists and is built on budget money (collected from us), then this is beneficial to the existing government. My bewilderment, "Why does the government hold such events?" connected with a simple thing: during the mass conscription (everyone is preparing for war), who willingly will go to defend the mausoleum of Yeltsin and the offspring of the oligarchs with their yachts? Yes, no one will voluntarily go. So why is the government conducting the propaganda of rabid liberalism? This is how I paraphrase my bewilderment.

[Sasha1979]

"What would the victorious front-line soldiers do with this brothel?" It seems very vividly what the front-line sappers would have done.

[Akuzenka]

The Yeltsin Center marked the date of June 22 in its own way. Yes, also with sorrow, but very peculiar. On this day, they preferred to remember that not all the Nazis who invaded the territory of the USSR were scoundrels. Like, among them there were many simple good people who were "forced"

In the current socio-political formation, everything is bought and sold. Officials sell the VICTORY of our ancestors and do not frown, because for this they receive money on their accounts in Western banks. They don't give a damn at what price VICTORY was bought. Their behavior testifies only to one thing - they are traitors, already now in peacetime. I don't understand "our patriots", why don't they fight these traitors? The answer is simple - the source of funds for "our patriots" and outright traitors is the same. This is their business. I have another version of what is happening - they were not treated in mental hospitals, well, how can a normal person consider those who killed, with special cynicism, their own ancestors as good ?! But the version is so-so, idiots in officials and "our patriots" do not hold.

[Tank jacket]

Vitya Shenderovich, who allegedly collected sugar from the floor of the barracks "in order to survive" in the army, had two solid stripes on his shoulder straps and a completely healthy and well-fed look.
A disgustingly deceitful and vile person, of course.

[Tank jacket]

Yes, I agree with you, here is a simple example of Shenderovich on echo for state money what he does ...
Viktor Anatolyevich Shenderovich just recently wrote a small blog about the story that happened around the advertising of VkusVill supermarkets. And he told a lot of interesting things

As you can imagine, the blozhik was full of indignation. First of all - in relation to “this country” and its obscurant and backward people, who in no way accept “universal human values”. Secondly - to VkusVill itself, which caved in under this very people. But Viktor Anatolyevich immediately finds an excuse for the VkusVilla PR specialists - they say they are hostages and behave accordingly. Because the hostage is simply obliged to do whatever is required in order to survive.

And Viktor Anatolyevich recalls that he himself was once a hostage. Believe it or not - in the Soviet Army. He calls his service in the ranks of the indestructible and legendary being held hostage. And he tells the humiliation that he had to go to in order to survive in this terrible, obligatory for every Soviet man, the likeness of the GULAG. Viktor Anatolyevich ... picked up sugar from the floor and ate it to survive. I don’t know from what floor - barracks, dining room, or toilet - perhaps from all these floors. Viktor Anatolyevich said that he considers humiliation to be a completely acceptable way of survival for a hostage. Well, that is, you can lick the boots of a company commander, for example. I don't know if Private Shenderovich did this too, but what the hell is not kidding?

And if you google, you will definitely find another story about Viktor Anatolyevich's service in the army. In the same vein. Only with an emphasis on the fact that Viktor Anatolyevich suffered humiliation from the fact that he was a little dark-haired Jewish boy. Ah, this dreadful caveman Russian anti-Semitism! He is exactly the same as this Russian homophobia. But in the end it turns out that Viktor Anatolyevich has found himself a warm place for a grain cutter, and if you search on the Internet, you will also find army photographs of Mr. Shenderovich. From these photos, a junior sergeant of the Soviet Army is looking at you, quite happy and content with life. Not mutilated or humiliated at all. How so?..

[IL-18]

Children are regularly driven into this House of traitors voluntarily and forcibly. And not a single b. from the city department of education of Yekaterinburg did not answer for this. And the Sverdlovsk governor allowed to preserve the drug addict square, so that there would not be a temple, instead of putting things in order in the region entrusted to him

[Tank jacket]

Case on Kuyvashev ...
In the case of Kuyvashev, an associate of the Sverdlovsk governor, an episode may appear on the withdrawal of assets worth more than 4 billion rubles.
 
Sources note that the biggest claims against the ex-head of MUGISO, Alexey Pyankov, may relate to the story of the transfer of assets to the State Unitary Enterprise Oblkommunenergo. From the control of the Sverdlovsk region, presumably, assets were withdrawn with a minimum value of 4,3 billion rubles, which gives rise to reasonable suspicions of committing theft on an especially large scale. As a result of the transactions, control over one of the key housing and communal services enterprises in the Middle Urals passed to the structures of the energy oligarchs Bikov and Bobrov. A detailed examination of this scheme will not even dare to call it privatization - it looks like a natural carve-up.
 
All this can hit not only the governor and businessmen, but also ricocheted to a number of other major figures. For example, back in 2016, the FSB pointed out to the former chairman of the regional government, and now the governor of the Orenburg region, Denis Pasler, on the dubious creation of preferences for the commercial structures of Bikov and Bobrov when transferring assets. It is characteristic that corruption scandals are pursuing Pasler's team in the new region. And the former head of the Prosecutor General's Office in the Urals Federal District, Sergei Filipenko, Pyankov's friend and godfather, then allegedly "covered up" a farcical lawsuit aimed at obtaining a court decision that would confirm the legitimacy of the merger at Oblkommunenergo. Now Filipenko works as a prosecutor in the patrimony of the speaker of the State Duma - in the Saratov region.
 
Pyankov calmly heads the board of directors at Oblkommunenergo JSC and recently, at the suggestion of Kuyvashev, entered the supervisory board of the Universiade-2023. No, but what?
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2.Kuyvashev (Sverdlovsk region). Comes under attack in connection with the ongoing investigation of the case of the ex-Minister of State Property Management of the region Pyankov. New topics are related to the withdrawal of budget funds to offshore, as well as the privatization of Oblkommunenergo. Experts talk about multibillion-dollar damage to the budget: the situation is clearly projected onto Kuyvashev. Experts talk about a high probability of investigating the case of the special economic zone "Titanium Valley" and other high-profile stories.
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Then I remember about the minister who did not ask to give birth to children
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[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Tank jacket

And almost two tens of millions of civilians of the USSR who died from hunger, cold, bombs and shelling, shot and hanged are not as important a topic of conversation as "Wehrmacht soldiers who did not want to fight."

The Commission of the State Cheka Committee (worked from 1943 to 1947), the data of which were presented at the Nuremberg trial, established 6 844 000 ALL losses of civilians of the USSR, of which, if decomposed analytically, it turns out:
- 5 256 100 all deliberately destroyed on the territory of the SCSS and in concentration camps, including those killed by the fire of both sides in settlements;
- 658 residents of besieged Leningrad;
~ 930 deaths due to increased mortality in the occupied territory.

Where do two tens of millions come from? The more we name, the more our contribution to the Victory, so what?

[Tank jacket]

Reduced the number of civilians killed
I admit that I have exceeded, the essence of this does not change ..
The number of civilians killed during the war years as a result of the Nazi occupation is more than half of all human victims of the Soviet Union (compare 13,7 million people and 26,6 million)
https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=10335986@cmsArticle#:~:text=%D1%87%D1%82%D0%BE%20%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%BE%20%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D0%B1%D1%88%D0%B8%D1%85%20%D0%B7%D0%B0%20%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B4%D1%8B,%D0%B8%2026%2C6%20%D0%BC%D0%BB%D0%BD.

[Zakirov Damir]

Quote: Tank jacket

Reduced the number of civilians killed
I admit that I have exceeded, the essence of this does not change ..
The number of civilians killed during the war years as a result of the Nazi occupation is more than half of all human victims of the Soviet Union (compare 13,7 million people and 26,6 million)

Firstly, these are the data of the State Extraordinary Commission, which were presented at the Nuremberg trials (worked from 1943 to 1947). If you noticed, even the increased mortality rate in the occupied territory was pushed into Nuremberg, that is, it was raised from 5 to 914.

Secondly, "13.7 million and 26.6 million" is the data of the Gorbachev Commission of the ADH (Andreev, Darsky, Kharkov). There is falsification for falsifications! Here's an example.

4 - "those who died from the deliberately brutal conditions of the occupation regime" are actually:
--890 - citizens of the USSR who found themselves behind the Curzon Line during the establishment of a new post-war border between Poland and the USSR on August 300, 16;
- 451 600 citizens of the USSR, not extradited by the allies, and who emigrated after the war to the countries of Europe and North America (mostly colobrants from the Baltic States, Western Ukraine and Western Belarus and their family members for more than 75% of this number)
- 86 dead collaborators from among ordinary citizens of the USSR (another 800 military personnel died in the ranks of the enemy, and were also executed after being captured)
- 2 increased mortality throughout the USSR during the war, including 671 in the occupied territory represented at the Nuremberg trial (the pre-war mortality rate of 300 people rose to 930 during the war; 000 per year is and there is an increased mortality).

Now it is clear who was included in the 13.7 million? This also includes 4 children who died of natural causes before the age of 328 during the war years (600 should have died, but 5 died due to a threefold decrease in the birth rate). They, too, were shoved under the guise of 7 million.

[Tank jacket]

You need to contact the RF Ministry of Defense ... I gave a link from the official website of the RF Ministry of Defense.

[Zakirov Damir]

26.6 million "allegedly killed in the Second World War" are not data from the Ministry of Defense, but data from the Gorbachev Commission of the ADH (by the initial letters of the names - Andreev, Darsky, Kharkov).

They are cited by Krivosheev in his book "The secrecy stamp has been removed", and the MO refers to Krivosheev. That's clearer?

[laogun]

I have been to Leningrad many times. 650000 people are buried in Piskarevskoye alone. The rest of the cemeteries have more than 600 thousand more. So over 1 in total. And your numbers are false. And yes, by the way, your name means YES to the World Revolution and has nothing to do with the east. In the same way, Ruslan came up with Pushkin from the Persian Arslan (Lev), and in the Caucasus they think that this is their mountainous ...

[Zakirov Damir]

Firstly, all those buried there died of hunger and shelling?
Secondly, there was no natural mortality from a city of three million in 900 days?
Third, there were no dead militias and servicemen of the Red Army from the summer of 1941 to January 1943 either?
Are you aware that the first, second, and third were buried at the Piskarevskoye cemetery? And why should I believe your subjectivity, and not the commission of the ChGK?

Real direct peaceful and military losses of the USSR amounted to 17.7 million, another 2.7 million were increased mortality in the form of indirect losses. Total, ~ 20.4 million

I have proved and shown in the relevant topics where the falsifications lie. And you minus a little more, another adherent of 26.6 million people who died in the Second World War! It seems really, the more we name, the greater our contribution to the defeat of Nazi Germany!

And what does my name have to do with it? I am a Volga Tatar, what does not suit you?

[sleeve]

Our main contribution is the ruins of the Reichstag. The price paid for this will be discussed for a long time, until the wounds are finally healed and statisticians and historians get down to business. Then the picture will become truly epic. As with the thirty years' war.

[Zakirov Damir]

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Our main contribution is the ruins of the Reichstag. The price paid for this will be discussed for a long time, until the wounds are finally healed and statisticians and historians get down to business. Then the picture will become truly epic. As with the thirty years' war.

Determining the price is not very difficult. It is enough to study the works of three fundamentalists on this topic (Krivosheev, Müller-Hillebrand, Rüdiger Overmansu), but taking into account the revealed falsifications.

I did it back in 2018, promoted it by three forums in 2019. It's frustrating that it's just that nobody needs it. And the forums are a weak information platform both in terms of promotion and analytical level - the liberal arts education of the majority affects.

[Living7111972]

Everyone who came in should stay here ...

[Tank jacket]

Quote: sala7111972

Everyone who came in should stay here ...

In the ground ...

[saturn.mmm]

Were all the Germans, in the regular German army that marched at the front, were fascists? And really some violinist or hairdresser could not give some child a chocolate or a can of stewed meat, staying in some village, thinking that this little girl with freckles is painfully similar to my Martha?

[ada]

I think I could, but this is different - they went, and it seems to me that the quantitative factor of crimes and their mass character, their focus on certain peoples, play a key role in assessing here. That is why our people feel their nature.
Here I remember some moments - so, through the sighting devices, it sucks to sort - who is there, maybe even wonderful and sincere people? Why did you go? Can you help what you wanted?

[tank64rus]

It is high time to close this nest of traitors and agents of influence. Now we are talking about the existence of Russia and its People to endure This is an impermissible luxury. And then why do schoolchildren run to rallies and that's why.

[Tank jacket]

This breeding ground needs to be cleaned ...

[zenion]

Russian boys Fanya, if you tell me where there are a lot of Russian bang-bangs, we will charge you an expensive Russian candy twenty kilo rubles. If you are not going to gavril, we will bang-bang you.

[Stargazer]

Bravo! Well written ...

[Gado]

As you can see, respect has long gone, the Germans who fought with the Soviet Union and remember the consequences are gone. A new round of desires and claims begins, we are waiting for the appearance of a new Hitler. Although, as I think about it, there are already several candidates to replace the new Hitler. Nothing new under the sun.

[pytar]

As you can see, respect has long gone, the Germans who fought with the Soviet Union and remember the consequences are gone. A new round of desires and claims begins, we are waiting for the appearance of a new Hitler.

Modern Germans have little resemblance to the former. Today's militarism and warlike nature simply do not exist. And the German nation is lurking, they have very bad demographics. There are no prerequisites to expect from Germany something like in the 40s.

A new round of desires and claims begins, we are waiting for the appearance of a new Hitler. Although, as I think about it, there are already several candidates to replace the new Hitler. Nothing new under the sun.

New imperials claim this, one of them is Erdogan.

[ada]

Excuse me, but I do not believe in this and I see the preconditions and manifestations of revanchism, not among the entire population, of course, but this is not necessary for the formation of appropriate sentiments among the masses. Wait a couple of generations. In the 30s, opponents of the new state system, which stood right across their throats and prevented them from eating, fueled their moods and formed directions, organized financial and economic support for almost all processes, and in the rate they did not lose, they just did not expect an end, but they realized in time. They all appreciated the alignment of forces, opportunities, moods ... And they did not appreciate only the achieved level of upbringing of a Soviet person in a humanistic manner, the price he could pay for the desire to live in a country created by his own hands without domination over himself, for the land and memory of ancestors and subsequent generations, did not learn a lesson from what they actually organized and provided by the civil war, and in fact intervention.
You might think that before Turkey did not want its piece.
Now, in my opinion, a critical mass of the population (plus refugees) of neighboring countries and their unions is accumulating, both on the external borders and part of the population inside our country, which in two or three generations (mostly Islamic) will be ready to take part in the division. and some part has long been ready and working.
But what about? They want to eat! (Think about delicious babies.)

[pytar]

I'm talking about the FRG and today's Germans, who don't even serve in the army and wear makeup! The current ones are a completely different breed! Sissies, nothing to do with the Prussians, the beginning of the previous century! Germany is a rich, comfortable country, and the population is aging with the PPC demography! German women do not want to give birth, and men do not want to fight! What kind of German expansion can we talk about? They will lose their country because of migrants, and you are talking about revanchism! With Islamic countries like Turkey, the situation is diametrically opposite! Anything can be expected from them!

[ada]

You see, if you are of course interested in my opinion, experts in the military-political analysis of the situation note that revanchist sentiments in Germany, as well as in other countries and even nations that have survived defeat in the war, do not disappear; they were always planned to be used to create tension in interstate , interethnic relations as one of the rapidly "warming up" factors during the period of growing threats, and when other factors of influence join at the right time, such as disputed territories, etc. (with regard to Germany - the return of the Kaliningrad region, as an example) against the background of a campaign to revise history, it acquires specific objects and forms that can be demanded from the "culprit" through threats and economic pressure. And as an estimate for Germany, it is not necessary to have the full support of the population in this matter, some political parties and movements may be enough. This is my opinion about revanchism, from which it was formed, I cannot tell you.
Regarding the prerequisites "as in the 40s" - in full compliance and volume, no one plans, but the experience is used. And what leaders will appear you can see.
Wealthy and comfortable - while it is inscribed in the existing financial system of political and economic management. Is there all your own? Industry? Politicians? Currency? Great question. In a way, the occupation factor is in the shadow, but why advertise it. Has your status changed? In the analyzes, a certain increase in "independence" was noted, allegorically speaking, but not for the better for our relations. It is expensive to feed politicians and bankers, so control and more control. I remember there was a country where you can say that it had almost everything of its own and on the center-page of the newspaper it was possible to track weekly how many kopecks a US dollar was worth. Where is she now? Yes, and there was no war, or was it?
About Germans with Turkish, as it is now democratically customary to say, "background" - how many are there? And migrants without a "background", not citizens, is it not 13%? How many of them are Muslims? Does everyone live richly and comfortably? Population growth in recent years has been positive. Everyone wants to eat and they want to eat well, and their appetites are growing. And how will there be less "food"? Where to get it? Someone tell me? Required. There are such terms as "uninhabited or sparsely populated areas suitable for habitation" and "disproportionate distribution of resources." Where are they? What are the boundaries? The borders are no longer correct and the bastards are appointed because of which everything ... But why fight right away, so, then there is a border conflict, then there is human rights ... You are an aggressive monster, you need to improve, democratize, this is all your president is crap ... Re-elect. It goes badly - we will help. Make concessions, give up, move. But what about? They want to eat!
As some analysis shows, the factors influencing the stability of power may be enough to change the situation in the balance of forces even before the transition to large-scale actions by NATO and those who have joined them, well, with the exception of the so-called "peacekeeping operations".
"Painted" - imagine, they also press the descent, maybe not so much, of course.
Sorry if something is wrong. From "not invented".

[pytar]

Dear Dmitry, I am interested in every opinion! It's good that we have the opportunity to communicate with different people!
I see absolutely no preconditions for the revival of German revanchism. From the word at all. Of course there are some small groups of ultranationalists there, but they have no idea. There are 1000 times more of them in today's Russia. In the EU, borders do not matter, the Germans have no reason to wage a war, they already have everything they need. German capital rules all over the world. Your sparsely populated territories are emptying from year to year, and money from the sale of resources in a stream goes over the hills and into the pockets of the oligarchy. All this nonsense that your media and politicians carry, like "NATO is about to attack" has a purely internal purpose. To divert the attention of the population from internal problems! The real danger for the Russian Federation in the future is not NATO or the United States, but China. These territories are at his side. With the weakening of Russia, the Chinese will reach the Urals! As for Europe, if the situation with the demography of the "white race" continues, then in 50 years Europe will be Mohamedan. By the way, the trend in Russia is the same. But in one thing you are right - in view of the coming global climatic cataclysm, large-scale uncontrolled movements of large masses of people will begin. I suspect it will be very soon! The world will change dramatically, entire civilizations will collapse overnight! It happened more than once in the past, it will happen again soon! China will rule the world, Pax China will be much tougher than Pax Americana! My prediction is that the political regime in Russia will change, it will become a place for the majority of the white race to defect. Like "Noah's Ark". There will be a conflict over resources and territory between Russia and China! The United States will find itself on the side of Russia and will help in its salvation thanks to its technological superiority over China. Yes, America will lose its role as a world leader, but in technology it will remain unattainable at the top. That's how Wanguyu, and what will we see.

[Swordserg]

There will be war. Everything goes to this. There is no need to wang. Everything predicted by the elders, Wanga and others has already come true and is coming true. A worldwide plague and war awaits us. The plague is already underway. The plan of the golden billion is being implemented.

[pytar]

There will be war. Everything goes to this.

If you mean a global wine with the use of nuclear weapons, this will definitely not happen. The reason is that the losses with it will be 100 times greater than the benefits for all without exclusion. No one is in the interests of a radioactively contaminated planet for 1000 years. And as for local conflicts, they will, in fact, never stop.

A worldwide plague and war awaits us. The plague is already underway. The plan of the golden billion is being implemented.

About the "plague" and the coming climate catastrophe, you are right. Essentially, changes in the climate of the VDTU and changes in the microbiological world. But whether this is connected with the "plan of the golden billion" is very controversial.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Quote: pytar

will continue, then in 50 years Europe will be Mohamedan

No, Frontex is already very tightly monitoring the border, how much news there was that Spain, Greece would not let migrants in. For example, Denmark has already started to deport Syrians. And the entire share of illegal and legal migrants for the whole of Europe (this counting everyone, like Russians and Ukrainians) is 10 percent, of which at least half are Europeans (from Poles to Russians) according to the census the latest and according to trends, it is slowing down. Therefore, Europe will not be Muslim in 50 years. And about Germany, in fact, there is more myth than truth. For example, in Berlin you can hear Russian speech much more often than Arabic.

With the weakening of Russia, the Chinese will reach the Urals

This will be possible if the Russian Federation's nuclear weapons are not used and the Chinese are confident + the weakening of the Russian Federation is very strong, as the border between China and the Russian Federation is very inconvenient, as in most it is mountainous terrain, ideal for defense, but for an attack ...

China will rule the world

It will not, all finances go through the west, the share of the Chinese currency is less than a percent. Industry is completely tied to the west, ruhent west, China will collapse. So, what are the prerequisites for that? China is an industrial donor, but all finances are in the USA and England. For example, you work for a person, do work for him, and he pays for you. He will not do, he will not pay, but unlike you, he will be able to hire a new employee (India) and can you find a new employer?

My prediction is that the political regime in Russia will change, it will become a place for the majority of the white race to defect. Like "Noah's Ark".

Dystopia, hahahaha. Yes Yes. The share of migrants in the Russian Federation is much higher than in the EU ...

[pytar]

No, Frontex is already very tightly monitoring the border, how much news there was that Spain, Greece would not let migrants in. ... Denmark has already started to deport the Syrians.

The reaction is too late. They initially let them in en masse, but they were trying to somehow correct the situation. It is unlikely to succeed.

And the entire share of illegal and legal migrants for the whole of Europe is 10 percent, of which at least half are Europeans (from Poles to Russians) ... Therefore, Europe will not be Muslim in 50 years.

You are missing out on the fact that we are talking not only about migrants, but also those non-European who have long lived in European countries, as if "naturalized". The main thing is the question of demography! Non-indigenous Europeans have a high birth rate, while indigenous people are lurking before our eyes. There is a rapid process in changing the ratio between European and non-European ethnic groups living on the territory of Europe.

And about Germany, in fact, there is more myth than truth.

Germany already has 19,3 million inhabitants with non-Germanic descent. Of these, in general - Poles, Russians, Kazakhs, Romanians - 5,6 million. In total, out of 24 million households in Germany, 17% have Turkish as their home language.

This will be possible if the Russian Federation's nuclear weapons are not used and the Chinese are confident + the weakening of the Russian Federation is very strong, as the border between China and the Russian Federation is very inconvenient, as in most it is mountainous terrain, ideal for defense, but for an attack ...

On VO there was a very interesting article on this issue, unfortunately I cannot find it. It basically explained why there is a very high probability that with a large-scale Chinese invasion, the Russian Federation will not dare to use nuclear weapons. I think China is unlikely to "attack"; it will act differently. An empty place in the world does not last long ... Someone's ego must be filled ...

It will not, all finances go through the west, the share of the Chinese currency is less than a percent. Industry is completely tied to the west, ruhent west, China will collapse. So, what are the prerequisites for that? China is an industrial donor, but all finances are in the USA and England ...

This ratio is still beneficial for China. But it will continue exactly until the moment when China has accumulated strength for a "global coup." Then the financial flows simply change their direction towards China. China is getting richer, strengthening its strength, slowly changing the rules of the game ...

[Liam]

Quote: pytar

The main thing is the question of demography! Non-indigenous Europeans have a high birth rate, while indigenous people are lurking before our eyes.

It would be nice to confirm such loud statements with numbers and not with your own theories ... What is the percentage of fertility among migrants in the second generation, for example?

[Liam]

Quote: pytar

Germany already has 19,3 million inhabitants with non-German descent

You probably don't know that these 19,3 million also include repatriated Germans whose ancestors lived outside of Germany until the age of 39, that is, Germans from Poland, Russia, Kazakhstan, etc.

[Antonio_Mariarti]

The reaction is too late. They initially let them in en masse, but they were trying to somehow correct the situation. It is unlikely to succeed.

Their share is small, someone will be assimilated, someone will be expelled. Not 20-30 percent to be bad. For example, in the same Turkey, the Turks themselves have a birth rate of less than 2, and the Kurds about 3. The number of Kurds is growing, and the Turks are falling. That predicts that the Kurds will soon replace. There are about 70 percent of Turks, 20 Kurds according to the last census. I think now there are 65 Turks, 25 Kurds. This is already a problem, not 5 percent in the EU.

You are missing out on the fact that we are talking not only about migrants, but also those non-European who have long lived in European countries, as if "naturalized". The main thing is the question of demography! Non-indigenous Europeans have a high birth rate, while indigenous people are lurking before our eyes. There is a rapid process in changing the ratio between European and non-European ethnic groups living on the territory of Europe.

Those who have lived for a long time, in the 2nd and 3rd generations, have the same fertility as the indigenous people. There is research on this topic, you can search the internet. What high fertility do they have? Can you do some research on ethnic change? Refugees really have, but there are still very few of them to influence the ethnic composition + do not have a passport, for example, Denmark will send them out quietly. (Except for the south of France, but there are 70 percent of the French at the moment (and if we take the Catholics, then 50, despite the fact that they have been going there since the end of the 60s). For example, in Germany, the Poles come after the Germans, and not Turks, and then Russians come. It is true that there are fewer Germans, but most of them are being replaced from neighboring European countries. For example, if you are in Berlin, you will be surprised how many Russians, there are definitely more of them than arbs put together. I was there, I often heard Russian speech, and it felt like I was in Moscow.

Germany already has 19,3 million inhabitants with non-Germanic descent. Of these, in general - Poles, Russians, Kazakhs, Romanians - 5,6 million. In total, out of 24 million households in Germany, 17% have Turkish as their home language.

Not, 19.3, but 21 for 2019. "Of this 21 million people, more than half (11,1 million people, 52 percent) hold German citizenship, the remaining 48 percent have passports of other states. The vast majority of official foreigners in Germany are essentially immigrants ( 85 percent), ethnic Germans among them - 46 percent.More than half of the mentioned 11,1 million German citizens have a German passport from birth (51 percent). Slightly more than 2,5 million people became Germans through the procedure of citizenship change, 23 percent - in the framework of resettlement of Germans, and about 1 percent - as a result of adoption or adoption Almost two-thirds of all inhabitants with migratory roots moved to Germany from any other European country - 13,8 million people, of which 7,5 million are from other countries of the EU member states. Slightly more than 4,5 million (22 percent) people came from Asia, about 1 million (5 percent) from Africa. Another 600 thousand (3 percent) are from Xie faithful, Central and South America, and also from Australia. " That is, only 5 percent, and that is not necessarily "Arabs and African Americans" As, for example, Russians, not Kazakhs, move to us from Kazakhstan in the overwhelming majority. For example, here's another interesting statistics: At the same time, 87 percent of those who came to Germany for permanent residence in 2018 had foreign passports (the figure for 2017 was 89 percent). 924 thousand foreigners living in Germany last year left the country, it is stated further in the department's report. In 2018, 262 thousand German citizens left the country, while 202 thousand Germans returned to Germany. Most immigrants still arrive in Germany from other EU countries, primarily Romania, Croatia and Bulgaria. In this category, those who arrived last year were 202 thousand more than those who left. In second place are immigrants from Asian countries (the same figure is 118 thousand people), most of them were immigrants from Syria, India and Iran. They are followed by citizens of European countries outside the EU (85 thousand people) and African states (34 thousand people). Here is the link: https://www.dw.com/ru/half-immigrants-in-frg- are-citizens-ofother-countries/a-49605032

On VO there was a very interesting article on this issue, unfortunately I cannot find it. It basically explained why there is a very high probability that with a large-scale Chinese invasion, the Russian Federation will not dare to use nuclear weapons. I think China is unlikely to "attack"; it will act differently. An empty place in the world does not last long ... Someone's ego must be filled ...

But you forget that the Chinese do not know how to fight, in 79 the Chinese could not cope with the devastated Vietnam, although they were superior to Vietnam in everything. And here we are talking about Russia. They can try to attack Russia if Russia breaks up into small states and that is unlikely. But for the whole of Russia - no.

This ratio is still beneficial for China. But it will continue exactly until the moment when China has accumulated strength for a "global coup." Then the financial flows simply change their direction towards China. China is richer, strengthens its strength, gradually changes the rules of the game ...

Sorry but no. Since there has recently been a toll war between the United States and China, China has suffered the most in terms of money. No, it will not change, this cannot happen in a "swoop" (unless China seizes the World with the help of weapons, or the West does not fall apart) if this does not happen, China has no chance. China is getting richer, but once again only because of the West. So far, China's dependence on the West is far greater than the West's dependence on China.

[pytar]

I would like to share your optimism, let everything be as you say!

[Antonio_Mariarti]

Quote: pytar

I would like to share your optimism, let everything be as you say!

I hope, but you know, planning for the future is a very delicate topic, how difficult it is to predict even for 5 years, which is already for decades)

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ada

when joining at the right time other factors of influence, such as disputed territories, etc. (with regard to Germany - the return of the Kaliningrad region, as an example) against the background of a campaign to revise history, it acquires specific objects and forms that can be demanded from the "culprit" through threats and economic pressure.

Revanchism in Germany is waking up and a little time will pass when the Germans begin to demand a revision of history and the return of former German lands to them. Now the Germans are already beginning to promote projects to return the Kaliningrad region, but they are silent about East, West Prussia and Pomerania, as well as about Alsace-Lorraine, the Eupen, Malmedy and Prussian parts of Morenais, and Memel with the Memel region.

[saturn.mmm]

NATO.
The greatest damage to the Russian state was caused by the people of this state themselves. In 1991, Russia lost 30% of its territory and 80 million population without NATO and the Nazis.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pytar

With Islamic countries like Turkey, the situation is diametrically opposite! Anything can be expected from them!

Here you are definitely right as never before.

[Machito]

No one expected such agility from Hitler either. The chief of the German General Staff, Beck, believed that Germany would not be ready for war until 1943, and Hitler started the war in 1939 without preparation due to Germany's economic problems. History has shown that Beck was right, not Hitler. Germany was ready for blitzkriegs, not all-out war. Stalin initially prepared the USSR for total war, and therefore won. And a united Europe, be it Napoleon, Hitler or the European Union, will always be unprepared for a war with Russia. On the other hand, Russia has no reason to seize Europe: we do not have enough population to develop our country, there is simply no one physically to seize and develop new territories.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: pytar

New imperials claim this, one of them is Erdogan.

But deep in Germany, revanchism is ripening.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Lord, yes, the poor Germans at least save their own country! ... What kind of aggression there, what kind of revanchism ... In 2070, I predict even, if you are interested, the new name of Germany - "Federal Arab Republic of Germany". I will ask you to put a mobile phone in my coffin - please call me in 2070 and tell me what and how they have. I will definitely not live it. But interesting!...

[Akuzenka]

Modern Germans have little resemblance to the former. Today's militarism and warlike nature simply do not exist. And the German nation is lurking, they have very bad demographics. There are no prerequisites to expect from Germany something like in the 40s.

This is little consolation. Their demoniac showed how, in 6 years, from a people downtrodden with overwhelming reparations, it is possible to grow the most, at that time, disgusting non-humans. And they were only promised land and Slavic slaves and forgiven in advance ANY of their crimes. The recipe is simple. And it is not difficult to apply it again to the European "burgher".

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

A 1930s burger is the exact opposite of a 2020 burger! ... It's like people from different planets.

[qQQQ]

Quote: Gado

there are already several candidates to replace the new Hitler.

As they say, history repeats itself twice, the first time in the form of a tragedy, and the second in the form of a farce. They are trying to make Hitler in Ukraine, there are no fools to fight with Russia in the West. Well, the Ukrainian Hitler is like a bullet.

[Gado]

Actually, I didn't mean Germany when I wrote about several candidates for the new Hitler, but the whole world in which we live. The fascist elite of the United States and their antipodes, militant gays and liberals - these are the potential new "Hitlers". I am generally silent about Erdogan - he has a new old project and his attempts to restore the Ottoman Empire are really similar to Hitler's efforts before WWII, especially against the backdrop of the collapse of the Turkish economy. This is a personal opinion.

[wow]

Their former "Fuhrer" is now turning over in his grave, seeing that a woman is in command of the Bundeswehr, and there are ugly Frauleins and transgender people with fagots in the ranks

[saturn.mmm]

But the Germans play football well and they are not bad in other sports.

[Marachuh]

And what did you expect from the people who have been waging liberation wars for thousands of years ?! We already have it in our genes.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Marachuh

And what did you expect from the people who have been waging liberation wars for thousands of years ?! We already have it in our genes.

thousands of years - you have had enough. The Russian Empire made the inhabitants of all the conquered territories its full citizens. But there was a lot of violence in her. But the psychology of the inhabitants of the country of victorious socialism is clearly underestimated by you.

[Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko]

Although I am not a monarchist, I will not give offense to the Russian Empire - our ancestors gave their lives for it, and in 1922 it was transformed into the USSR. As for violence, show at least one country where the government is weak and there is no violence! There were no such people, and they never will.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko

But I will not give offense to the Russian Empire - our ancestors gave their lives for it, and in 1922 it was transformed into the USSR.

people gave their lives for any country, even the Chukchi fought with the Russian army. As for violence, its excess brought the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks to power.

[Engineer]

Well, of course. I remember reading the memoirs of the German ace Hartmann, I think. So there, that at the beginning of the war - the Russians are represented as orcs, and at the end the soldiers even raped the old people. I have never read a nastier book.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Engineer

Well, of course. I remember reading the memoirs of the German ace Hartmann, I think. So there, that at the beginning of the war - the Russians are represented as orcs,

I agree, disgusting "scribbling". Many of them try to show themselves from the beautiful side, and us from the negative. Field Marshal Kesselring, in his memoirs, always shows the Germans as people of "honor and conscience", his statement is especially cynical when his ases bombed Warsaw - "In Poland, our pilots showed themselves like real knights." Although he may be right, we know from school what the knights did back in the Crusades.

[Vadim Ananyin]

Marauders, krokhobory, sadistic murderers are about all the nationalities of Europe.
They were disappointed that they were given an answer to all this that they were doing.
But from the beginning, they were 100% sure, but if the Germans somehow realized that the hangers-on still cannot calm down Romania, Spain, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Czech Republic - all of them would be in the mouth!

[Blacksmith 55]

And Spain from which side?
Spain did not participate in the Second World War.
True, Franco sent one, blue, division, but this was under pressure from the Nazis. But that was the end of it.

[Vadim Ananyin]

It is sometimes necessary to read news portals, they now believe that they did the right thing that they came to Russia to fight communism, so they do not consider themselves accomplices of the Nazis and criminals, like that. so the blame for the victims on the territory of Russia is not theirs. Like the Dutch, Romanians and everyone else - they are all victims!

[Blacksmith 55]

I try to keep abreast of world events, but I have never heard such a thing about Spain.
My colleague is Spaniard, he knows almost everything about Spain, he never said anything like that.

[VORON538]

Victims, kind of mild, of a medical operation to terminate a pregnancy.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

they now believe that they did the right thing that they came to Russia to fight communism, so they do not consider themselves accomplices of the Nazis and criminals

They came with Hitler to plunder and kill our Soviet people. And no excuse will help them, for us they will forever remain murderers and fascists, no matter what nation they are.

[Bashibuzuk1]

I congratulate you - you are "Kolya from Urengoy", if you remember this

[Blacksmith 55]

Themselves from there.
Not knowing a person to compare with Kolya.
Oh, thanks .
I am sure that I know history and other subjects as well as you.

[Ravik]

Quote: smith 55

And Spain from which side?
Spain did not participate in the Second World War.
True, Franco sent one, blue, division, but this was under pressure from the Nazis. But that was the end of it.

So what? Does Nazi pressure justify this division? Or justifies Spain?

[Blacksmith 55]

For your information, these were volunteers in the Blue Division.
Franco allowed them to go to Russia.
And volunteers from many countries took part in the Spanish Civil War. Nobody forbade them to go there.
And there are volunteers in Donbas.
Only everyone has different goals.
I agree with Vadim, all the listed countries, as he writes, "hangers-on", but Spain did not participate in the war.

[mister-red]

Quote: smith 55

And Spain from which side?
Spain did not participate in the Second World War.
True, Franco sent one, blue, division, but this was under pressure from the Nazis. But that was the end of it.

The popular Spanish newspaper ABC published a laudatory article about their compatriots who helped Adolf Hitler to carry out the blockade of Leningrad during the Second World War. The article titled “The Last Battle of the Blue Division: Spanish 'Raggers' Stopped 38 Stalin's Battalions” by Cesar Cervera tells about 4500 Spaniards who, armed only with light rifles, “worn out by the cold and dressed in rags with honor resisted the offensive of 45 thousand Red Army men and 80 tanks in the Krasny Bor area in a war that has nothing to do with them. "

[Blacksmith 55]

Thanks, enlightened, did not know anything about this article.
They froze there, near Leningrad.
Already in 43, the division was withdrawn home.
And the discipline among the Spaniards, well, was very lame.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: mister-red

In the material under the heading "The Last Battle of the Blue Division: Spanish" ragamuffins "stopped 38 battalions of Stalin"

About "stopped" is lying, but after Krasny Bor, the "blue" division ceased to exist.

[Baron pardus]

Well, you have sexual fantasies. Homo dominant. Have you been to a psychiatrist / sex therapist for a long time? And it should be. You have serious problems. Here I have a desire to have sex with a Romanian or Hungarian soldier there ... I have a desire to send them to the mines for 15 years. And there is no desire to force them ... You need to see a psychiatrist. Haloperidolum and electroshock therapy.

[wow]

All of the following, except for the Germans, out of the "kindness of the soul of a bloody tyrant" I.V. Stalin were numbered among the allies and victors !? Oh, and it was not necessary to do this, but to distribute to each of them the COMING !!! Hopefully next time we'll be much smarter. Only the dead don't shoot in the back.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vadim Ananyin

hangers-on still cannot calm down Romania, Spain, Poland, Estonia, Lithuania, Latvia, Czech Republic - all of them would be in the mouth!

They also forgot to indicate the Italians and Hungarians, and all the Waffen SS volunteer divisions from European countries.

[Huron]

We are motivated by knowledge of our history and propaganda. They are motivated by Russophobia and propaganda. Everyone is motivated! So, in the event of a real collision (and, unfortunately, there is a premonition), they should not expect any "breadth of the Russian soul". Neither the Balts, nor the Poles, nor the neighbors' Nazis, nor ... From me, for sure.

[U-58]

Not all of the Germans returned from the camps either. Only 14%.
The rest died from work and illness. However, I don’t feel sorry for them ..

[Bashibuzuk1]

Sure? Maybe only 14% died from injuries?

[U-58]

Yes, that's right. Not so formulated.
In the camps, 580 thousand prisoners died from cold, hunger and disease - 15% of the total number of prisoners.

[RABIT102]

And what is too much? so not enough, after all, the Khrushch let go in vain ... it was necessary to spread rot before thawed spread.

[alexey alexeyev_2]

I recommend you a book for acquaintance. "Oasis of humanity" Author Willy Birkemeier. German prisoner of war. Worked on the restoration of factories in Ukraine. On the topic "died from work and disease"

[Constanty]

The behavior of the Russians, even in the first battle, was strikingly different from the behavior of the Poles and allies.

It is a pity that the author of the article ended with a quote from Blumenritt's memoirs.
Only the next sentence explains its meaning

Even the surrounded Russians continued to fight. Always trying to break through ...

I do not deny that in Poland in 1939, having exhausted their defense capabilities, the Poles surrendered, as did the French in 1940 and the British in North Africa (for example, Tobruk).

However, in 1941 there were plenty of boilers, and many Soviet soldiers surrendered. but later, when Soviet soldiers fought, to admire stubbornly and selflessly - remember only Stalingrad or Novorossiysk ...

Therefore, such a phrase in the memoirs slightly distorts the real course of action.

[aries2200]

It is a pity that the khrushch of all prisoners sentenced to 1970, the Nazis released home in 1956 to gay Europpa, for the sake of the youth international student festival in Moscow

[older]

Quote: tihonmarine

I hate Hitlerites and Nazis, and I do not admire them.

They also had a mob reserve. My grandmother told me that there were also people among the Germans - when they attacked, they gave almost the last sugar, chocolate, stew to the children in the occupied village. Despite patriotism, let's still be objective

[Terenin]

Quote: older

Quote: tihonmarine

I hate Hitlerites and Nazis, and I do not admire them.

They also had a mob reserve. My grandmother told me that there were also people among the Germans - when they attacked, they gave almost the last sugar, chocolate, stew to the children in the occupied village. Despite patriotism, let's still be objective

You do not like our patriotism, but you urge the Germans and other European fraternity advancing on our country to be objective.
To be objective, my grandmother could not know the last or penultimate sugar ... the Germans gave the children, but we know that beforehand, before chocolate ... the Nazis systematically destroyed (shot, hanged, burned ...) in the occupied villages, thousands of mothers these children.

[nikvic46]

Capitalist civilization does not make a person better. But the Germans, having attacked us, considered themselves a civilized nation. The main goal of kap-zma is to educate a person who hates other nations. The Russian people and other peoples in our land were considered barbarians, but whatever it was, it is better to be a free barbarian than a notorious owner. The Soviet people respected other peoples, and were irreconcilable to their oppressors. Now everything has turned upside down. They will respect any experience, just not the Soviet one. You read, you are amazed. Like, we will destroy America with their good and evil people, and we will be happy. Will not be! One hygemon will be replaced by another, and we, exhausted, will bow to him in the legs. In the Russian character, first of all, human wear, which we will soon lose.

[ODERVIT]

The Germans are the main war criminals. They unleashed two world wars. They have no forgiveness for centuries. Scum.

[Swordserg]

The main criminals are not the ones who fought and killed. And those who sponsored it all. Heartfelt greetings to bankers from the other world. Their boilers were tired of waiting there.

[Flashpoint]

Quote: Swordserg

The main criminals are not the ones who fought and killed. And those who sponsored it all. Heartfelt greetings to bankers from the other world. Their boilers were tired of waiting there.

Yes, I recommend books on this topic with a modern reference:
Bilderberg Club
The Committee of 300. Secrets of the World Government
Tavistock Institute

[ODERVIT]

For me, my loved ones, there is no difference. The Germans are all criminals and scum, those who directed them and those who kept my city in a blockade. The rest is of little significance.

[babylon]

There is no need to attribute Soviet merits to today's liberal Russia, they have nothing in common.

[nikolai.shupenin]

when they close this parasha -eltsin center

[citizen]

Quote: nikolai.shupenin

when they close this parasha -eltsin center

You need to address this question to the creator of this center, the current president of the Russian Federation. Or, at worst, to the members of the board of trustees of this center, for example, to Vaino A.E. (head of the presidential administration). Or to Shoigu S.G. (Minister of Defense). Or to P.V. Krasheninnikov. (member of the United Russia faction in the State Duma, Chairman of the Committee on State Building and Legislation of the State Duma)

[polpol]

We should all know that it was not Hitler who went to war against the USSR.
This was done by Western Europeans in general.
And if the Anglo-Saxons were allies of the USSR, then by this they solved their task - to prevent the Germans from coming to power, to prevent them from becoming hegemon (chief) in their Western European world.
In addition, the West Europeans had to destroy as many Slavs as possible. And this was already the common goal of all Western Europeans.
The territory of East Germany is called differently - Slavic cemetery.
The Slavic states will turn into the same cemetery if Russia does not become.

Count how many people the Slavs lost in the First and Second World Wars (including losses in the civil war in Russia) and regardless of which side they fought on.

I figured it out.
The approximate figure is over 52 million.
Greatest losses
Russia 40-42 million
Poland 6-7 million
Yugoslavia 1,2-1,5 million

At the same time, Western Europeans lost about 16 million
Greatest losses
Germany, Austria 12-14 million
England, USA 650-700 thousand
France 2,5-1,9 million.

As you can see, the tasks of these wars were fulfilled by the West Europeans.
The Slavs were destroyed, and the Germans were not allowed to rule by the West Europeans.

And this enmity of Western Europeans to strangers is inherent in them at the genetic level and in the subconscious. Therefore, they destroy everyone in a row.
They destroyed the indigenous population of Western Europe approximately 400-450 years after they arrived there from North Africa; they almost completely destroyed the North American Indians, etc.
Western Europeans have the haplogroup R1b, and the Slavs R1a1 (Aryans) + I2a, I2c (the aboriginal population of Europe before the arrival of R1a1 and R1b) + N1a1 (now they are ranked among the Finno-Ugric language group).

Only the ancient Western Europeans (R1b) almost completely destroyed the local population and settled their territories, and R1a1 included the local population in their community, dissolved them in themselves, passing them their customs, culture, language and gods. R1a1 did the same with N1a1, who came to the Volga from beyond the Urals after about 1,5 years, as R1a1 faced the aggression of R1b on the territory of present-day East Germany, accepted and protected I2a, I2c who fled from them.

[Salve12]

Thank you for a very interesting article and informative comments. Three generations have grown after WW2, a sufficient time to cleanse the negative aspects of the European colonial civilization in the minds of the Western inhabitant and competently educate a generation of young people for the entire Russian world. Whether we like it or not, we must face the truth. 4 EuroReich has already been established under the economic leadership of Germany and the political control of the United States. As soon as the Great Britons understood this, they immediately broke away from Euro Reich. (Thatcher was not a fool, she opposed the unification of Germany and joining the Euro Reich). All processes are going like clockwork written by the brilliant composers of the US State Department. Raising Russophobia throughout Eastern Europe. (As the future cannon fodder against Russia) and changing the consciousness of the younger generation in Russia (Everything that is Russian is terrible - everything that is American is beautiful). The scenery is actually on display and the roles are indicated. There are only two final touches left to start the aggression. To overthrow Lukashenka in any way and find a new scoundrel instead of Nasralny, who got fucked up ahead of time. The Germans and Americans are not going to fight against Russia, not those times. A generation of cannon fodder has been raised - Poles, Ukrainians, Belarusians and Balts and Georgians ready to go Drang nach Osten. The performance will be decorated under the guise of non-recognition of elections and the establishment of true democracy. The colonial consciousness of the Germans, the British, and the French has not disappeared anywhere. Believe my observations, the Germans still consider Russians to be savages, and even our professors are taught to flush the toilet after themselves in the toilet.

[stas-xnumx]

One thing is not clear, everyone is talking and writing about this Yeltsin Center, and almost everything is negative, which I also join, so why not close it? Why won't they carry the liberal infection? Or why not take power for other needs? What are the double standards again ?????

[andrey-ivanov]

Quote: Miragore B

what's wrong? It’s clear that the Wehrmacht troops were people of different strata of society. And, by the way, by a special order, regular Wehrmacht troops were prohibited from participating in punitive actions - Ukrainians, Balts, Crimean Tatars, etc. were used for these actions.

Order number, from what date, by whom is it signed?