"Against whom is neutral Switzerland going to use F-35 fighters?": Reflections in the Chinese press

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The Chinese press drew attention to the fact that to modernize their fleet of combat aviation Switzerland intends to purchase the latest American fighters. Voennoye Obozreniye previously reported that for the needs of the Swiss Air Force, the government of this country intends to purchase 36 F-5A fighters of the 35th generation from the United States. And this is against the background of the fact that earlier the Swiss authorities announced their readiness to acquire Rafale fighters from France.
An author in the Chinese edition of Sohu reflects on the questions:

Why does neutral Switzerland need modern F-35 fighters, where and against whom is it going to use them in general?

At the same time, it is noted that the country is going to spend $ 6,5 billion on a deal with the United States.



It is indicated that the F-35A are attack aircraft, which can hardly be called exclusively defense aviation. And Switzerland is positioning its army as a defensive one. Not only that, they are stealth fighters. And why, the Chinese press are perplexed, to use stealth aircraft to patrol their airspace?

The Chinese press noted that usually Swiss air patrols are carried out by a maximum of a couple of dozen planes "per season." At the same time, in a number of cases, flights have to be coordinated with neighboring countries, including the NATO states (Germany, Italy, France), since fighters of the Swiss "neutral" Air Force constantly find themselves in the airspace of these countries.

They don't even have enough airspace for patrolling,

- Chinese users comment on the situation.

The author in Sohu points out that the Swiss troops have a fairly impressive arsenal and number, despite the declared military neutrality and the population of 8,5 million people.

This is the population of an average Chinese city.

At the same time, attention is drawn to the fact that Switzerland decided to buy an "excess number" of F-35A fighters after the visit of US President Joe Biden to this country. Perhaps there was some political component.
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    1. +4
      July 2 2021
      I am a little ashamed of the Chinese comrades. If you do not have an army, then of your own free will you may not be able to maintain your neutrality, and outdated aircraft need to be replaced. Not a fan of penguins, but in the Swiss competition they were really the strongest.
      1. +6
        July 2 2021
        They seem to be talking about this (perplexed):

        ... that the F-35A are attack aircraft, which can hardly be called an aircraft solely for defense. And Switzerland is positioning its army as a defensive one.
        1. 0
          July 2 2021
          Quote: Volodin
          that the F-35A are attack aircraft, which can hardly be called aviation solely for defense
          That is why it is a shame that ANY modern fighter can act as a strike aircraft.

          In July 2018 and January 2020, the Swiss defense procurement agency Armasuisse sent RFPs under the NKF program to manufacturers of four types of fighters: Boeing F / A-18E / F Super Hornet Block III, Dassault Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Lockheed Martin F-35A Lightning II. ...
          Which of these contenders do you think is purely defensive?
          1. +1
            July 2 2021
            Which of these contenders do you think is purely defensive?

            Penguin, of course. laughing
            The F-35A is part of what Biden gave to neutral.
            Switzerland also buys the Patriot air defense missile system for $ 2 billion.
            They need all this good purely for protection. bully
            1. +2
              July 3 2021
              Quote: Alex777
              Which of these contenders do you think is purely defensive?

              Penguin, of course. laughing
              The F-35A is part of what Biden gave to neutral.
              Switzerland also buys the Patriot air defense missile system for $ 2 billion.
              They need all this good purely for protection. bully

              This is the US fee for the normal operation of Swiss banks. Tribute to pure water.
              1. +1
                July 3 2021
                This is the US fee for the normal operation of Swiss banks. Tribute to pure water.

                100500%. smile
          2. 0
            July 2 2021
            Rafal and Eurofighter are more suitable for interceptors
        2. +2
          July 2 2021
          Which plane is purely defensive?
          1. -1
            July 2 2021
            Well certainly not stealth
            1. +2
              July 2 2021
              how? the enemy is advancing, he is sitting in ambush, unnoticeable such, and whispers "let them get closer, dear!"
              1. -1
                July 2 2021
                Quote: novel xnumx
                how? the enemy is advancing, he is sitting in ambush, unnoticeable such, and whispers "let them get closer, dear!"

                Yes, they are the Swiss and have forgotten what "war" is. In 1798, the French army invaded Switzerland, the country for a long time turned into a buffer, a bridgehead, in the struggle between the French and Russian-Austrian troops. At the Congress of Vienna in 1815 (Russia, Austria, Prussia, Great Britain), a decision was made on the permanent neutrality of Switzerland. Switzerland's neutrality has been officially recorded and cannot be changed without the consent of all participating countries. In 1847, there was a small civil war in Switzerland - the number of victims (about 100 people each.
                During the Second World War, Switzerland was subjected to massive bombing, bombed not only by the German Luftwaffe, but also by the allies - the US and British Air Forces.
              2. +1
                July 2 2021
                Quote: novel xnumx
                how? the enemy is advancing, he is sitting in ambush, unnoticeable such, and whispers "let them get closer, dear!"

                If only so ... laughing
      2. +6
        July 2 2021
        Neutrality, armed to the teeth! laughing
        1. 0
          July 2 2021
          Quote: Finches
          Neutrality, armed to the teeth! laughing

          With a lot of money in the safes of all sorts of shady personalities ...
          It's strange all this, from whom they were going to fight back ..? wassat
          1. +2
            July 3 2021
            Lord, what is there incomprehensible? Swiss purchases of American weapons are such a way of a covert, "legal" "kickback" -bribe so that Americans turn a blind eye to some financial transactions carried out by Swiss banks and to maintaining the appearance of "independence" of Swiss bankers ..
        2. +1
          July 2 2021
          what So what to do? Times are harsh. How can a grandmother live without a machine gun?
      3. 0
        July 2 2021
        The purchase of American (non-European) fighters suggests that relations between Switzerland and the EU are at a low level.
        It is also strange that the F-35 is clearly not suitable for the doctrine of the "air police" - at short distances, altitudes and speeds, this aircraft does not have either optimal motorization (thrust-to-weight ratio), and, accordingly, the necessary maneuverability.
        Let's believe the government that the deal turned out to be CHF 2 billion cheaper than deals for the acquisition of Rafale or Eurofighter Typhoon.
        The pro-American lobby in Switzerland seems to be very powerful.
      4. +2
        July 3 2021
        At the same time, attention is drawn to the fact that Switzerland decided to buy an "excess number" of F-35A fighters after the visit of US President Joe Biden to this country. Perhaps there was some political component.

        This is the "main" component.
        Americans, by the cut, need at least one a year, but to sell.
        Otherwise, its own military-industrial complex, its own taxpayers suffer. The image of the "city on the hill" suffers.
        “And if they don’t take it, then we will turn off the gas,” said the house of administration (Nona Mordyukova).
        I remembered the events of the past years - a neutral country with the most powerful banking system in the world, the secret of which is protected by the laws of Switzerland, surrendered in one hour! And to whom? US FBI, IRS Criminal Investigation Division, FinCEN - Financial Crimes Enforcement Network.
        And immediately hundreds of crimes of both European citizens and American citizens were revealed.
        And the Swiss had no idea where this would lead?
        People ran money to other jurisdictions to hide. And these are billions of dollars in losses.
        So the "hegemon" had, has and will have everyone he wants.
    2. +2
      July 2 2021
      In any case, they can even buy UFOs for their money. They will not fight with anyone. Their army is focused only on defense. The reservists keep their small arms and uniforms at home. Shooting camps are regular. But!!! Such "partisans" will not be able to attack anyone.
      1. +1
        July 2 2021
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        But!!! Such "partisans" will not be able to attack anyone.

        One thing can be said - Parabellum!
    3. +7
      July 2 2021
      At the same time, it is noted that the country is going to spend $ 6,5 billion on a deal with the United States.

      Switzerland, one of the few countries, for which I personally respect her very much, which is not afraid to ask its citizens for an opinion. There was a referendum in which the Swiss approved the purchase of combat aircraft in the amount of, if I am not mistaken, 6 billion francs, which roughly corresponds to 6,5 billion dollars. The people said - the government did it. But the decision to buy the F-35, IMHO, I think is controversial.
    4. 0
      July 2 2021
      Liechtenstein tensed.
      1. 0
        July 2 2021
        will be compared with Italians - who is more imperceptible
        1. 0
          July 2 2021
          Italians are dangerous. And in Liechtenstein, one and a half people live. The impudent Swiss military has been glancing bloodthirsty in his direction for a long time. Our Foreign Ministry ought to express its concern.
          1. +3
            July 2 2021
            the danger of Italians debunked in "catch 22"
            “America,” he said, “will lose the war, and Italy will win it.

            “America is the strongest and most prosperous nation in the world,” Neightley announced vehemently. “As for the American soldiers, they have no equal in courage in the world.

            “Quite right,” the old man agreed graciously, and there was a mocking intonation in his voice. “But Italy is one of the least prosperous nations on earth. As for the Italian soldiers, they have no equal in the world for cowardice. That is why our country is doing so well in this war, and yours is doing so badly.

            Neightley cackled in surprise, then, shocked by his own impoliteness, blushed guiltily.

            “Forgive me for laughing at you,” he said quite sincerely and continued in a respectful and condescending tone: “But Italy was occupied by the Germans, and now by us. And after that, you claim that things are going well for you?

            - Of course I do! The old man exclaimed cheerfully. - The Germans are driven out of here in the neck, and we, as we were here, remained. In a few years, you too will leave, but we will still remain. As you can see, Italy is indeed a very poor and weak country, but this is what makes us so strong. Italian soldiers no longer die on the battlefield, and German and American soldiers continue to die. I would say that we are doing very well. Yes, I am quite confident that Italy will survive this war and will continue to exist even after your country is destroyed.
    5. -1
      July 2 2021
      Why does neutral Switzerland need modern F-35 fighters, where and against whom is it going to use them in general?
      And really why, and even with such a small area of ​​the country? In words, they observe neutrality, but it turns out they are preparing for war. Does the Swiss population know that the country is going to fight with someone? Probably all the same for the protection of Swiss banks from the air.
      1. +1
        July 2 2021
        with their money, they could put a "Patriot" on each bank
    6. 0
      July 2 2021
      The author in Sohu points out that the Swiss troops have a fairly impressive arsenal and number


      The information has not yet reached the Chinese titan that Switzerland is the number 1 militarized nation in the world in general. And the only one that has bomb shelters for the entire population of the country. And about their doctrine of protection and education of the entire population and in general, Sokh, mohu, boh did not get it. Plus the decision on the purchase was taken in a referendum and the government complied with it, but the word “referendum” is not about China, of course.

      So Sohu's advice is that when you get to the Swiss standard of living, then spare the Swiss money. This will be in about 2500 years.
      1. 0
        July 2 2021
        It's not about money, it's about expediency. If the Swiss are afraid of anyone, it is Afronegro. But they require other weapons.
        As for the bomb shelters, they are a relic of the Cold War. The Swedes, over there, still believe that Russia is eager to attack it.
        The idea that Switzerland, as a territory, is fucking unnecessary for the locals is offensive and offensive.
    7. +2
      July 2 2021
      "Against whom is neutral Switzerland going to use F-35 fighters?": Reflections in the Chinese press
      so they have long gone nowhere, do not climb in any way, but they cherish their worthy defense.
      1. +1
        July 2 2021
        When was the last time they defended themselves against someone?
        1. 0
          July 2 2021
          You can see the history of WWII.
          They defended their own, the facts are there.
    8. -1
      July 2 2021
      So Iran and North Korea are about to attack.
      1. -2
        July 2 2021
        And Shvetsartsy will fly to bomb them on drums F35?
    9. 0
      July 2 2021
      The question is: why does Switzerland need a specialized stealth strike fighter? When is the main task of protecting the airspace and for small air forces type 1 fighter? It is logical - F18, F15EX, Rafal, EF200 ..... MiG35, Su35S.
      1. -2
        July 2 2021
        The question is: why does Switzerland need a specialized stealth strike fighter? When is the main task of protecting the airspace and for small air forces type 1 fighter? It is logical - F18, F15EX, Rafal, EF200 ..... MiG35, Su35S.

        The Swiss can afford to buy the very best in the moment, which they did. There is no doubt that they analyzed all the qualities of the offered products so meticulously, in the Swiss way.
        1. +2
          July 2 2021
          In air defense tasks at the moment, the F-35 is not the best ... it is a strike aircraft with good (for a striker) air defense capabilities ...... At the moment, the best in the West in air defense are F15EX and Rafal
          1. -3
            July 2 2021
            In air defense tasks at the moment, the F-35 is not the best ... it is a strike aircraft with good (for a striker) air defense capabilities .... At the moment, the best in the West in air defense are the F15EX and Rafal.

            Only the F-35 has stealth characteristics and only it / conditionally / is a product of the 21st century. We can be sure that the Swiss evaluated the whole complex of characteristics, in accordance with the conditions of the military doctrine and the peculiarities of the country. Moreover, I consider Swiss specialists to be ordinary, and competent, for the difference from most commentators here / this is not for you hi your posts are reasonable /. The choice of the Swiss F-35 is a confirmation of the high real qualities of this aircraft.
            1. +1
              July 2 2021
              I do not dispute them ..... If Switzerland needed to strike at its neighbors (some objects or ships) - this is the best choice today. And their task is air defense over Switzerland (all the more, the shock functions of Raphael and the F-15 are not disputed by anyone. The only question is secrecy). Americans buy F15EX for similar purposes themselves ... Saudis too
              1. 0
                July 2 2021
                I think the Swiss were guided by the peculiarities of the country's high-mountainous relief. Didn't check if the F-35 has a run and run shorter than the F-15? And against the background of the mountains, an airplane with stealth characteristics is probably more difficult to illuminate with radars! With a small country, the speed advantage of Eagle and Rafal is not so important. In addition, they are twin-engine, which is clearly redundant in that situation. Gripen is also suitable for Switzerland with his short run-up, but he is from the previous generation. The Swiss want to have the most modern that is today. So, the F-35 in the Swiss Air Force turns out to be essentially multifunctional. hi
                1. +1
                  July 2 2021
                  Twin-engine engines have a higher thrust ..... and the F15 is only behind the Raptor. Rafal is also in the lead.
                  1. -3
                    July 2 2021
                    Twin-engine engines have higher thrust ...

                    And the costs are probably higher. I think the single-engine Lightning suits the Swiss better.
    10. 0
      July 2 2021
      A cool canoe for a brake parachute, at once the penguin became a couple of lamas more expensive. But it couldn't be easier. A silly question, of course, it's easier, it can't be cheaper. hi
    11. +1
      July 2 2021
      Why does neutral Switzerland need modern F-35 fighters, where and against whom is it going to use them in general?

      Interesting question for Swiss bankers ..he heh ..

      How much is stored there, even Hitler did not dare to open the safes, apparently he was also involved in this ..
      Maybe it's time to open and check everything there?
    12. 0
      July 3 2021
      In my opinion, it looks more like a "ransom" from blackmail.
    13. 0
      July 3 2021
      If the Swiss bought Chinese planes, I'm sure they would have no objection
    14. 0
      February 17 2022
      Ma alcuni di voi meriterebbero di vivere e subire un attacco militare contro la Svizzera, così forse capirebbero quanto sia Inutile, Ridicolo e Vergognoso avere un Esercito, che paghiamo noi Cittadini, e assistere a come verrebbe spazzato via e sconfitto in una giornata! Vogliono spendere 8 miliardi, 36 Caccia +1, che per poter decollare ed entrare in azione, hanno bisogno di 15 minuti!!!!!! La Svizzera è lunga 220 km, larga 350 km e un Caccia viaggia a 2.000 km/h, ciò significa che ci verremmo sterminati ancora prima di accendere i motori! Ma cosa molto più importante, al giorno d'oggi si possono lanciare missili in qualunque nazione, restando comodamente nella propria casa, poi opterebbero per armi batteriologiche e attacchi terroristici ma tutto ciò solo con il permesso e consenso da parte di Germania, Francia, Italia e USA. Per finire, ma a chi volete che interessi la Svizzera, minuscolo pezzetto di terra pieno di montagne, di confini, di mucche e di traffico! Piuttosto ci pagano per tenercela!

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