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The Netherlands decided to sell 12 F-16 fighters to private hands

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In the Netherlands, they decided to sell their fighters to private hands. We are talking about 12 F-16 aircraft of the Dutch Royal Air Force, which are planned to be decommissioned in 2022.

The approval of the transaction for the sale of F-16 to a private company took place in the Dutch parliament after a corresponding submission from the country's Ministry of Defense.

As it became known, the private company Draken International is applying for the purchase of fighters. For what purposes does it acquire the F-16 from the Dutch Ministry of Defense?

This company provides its services for training pilots, including training in piloting aircraft in air combat.

The Dutch press points out that the sale is due to the fact that the fleet of the Netherlands Air Force is being renewed - deliveries of the fifth generation F-35A fighters are carried out. In the period from 2022 to 2024, the Dutch Air Force is going to decommission an additional 28 F-16 fighters. And these combat aircraft can be sold to a private company.

Draken International is by far the largest provider of commercial training aviation in USA. It buys combat aircraft, most often after decommissioning them, after which it re-equips them and presents them for the needs of the US Air Force. In particular, the US Air Force uses the services of this "private trader" in order to conduct simulated air battles of the so-called "aggressor" squadron, when private aircraft act as enemy aircraft.

This practice is controversial in the United States itself. In particular, it is criticized that the US Air Force itself sells fighters to a private company, after which it is paid money to conduct the pilot training procedure. The military command says that it is cheaper than maintaining the aircraft after the end of their service life.

As you can see, Draken International decided to purchase combat aircraft not only in the United States, but also in other countries. Netherlands as an example.

Today, its fleet includes such aircraft as the MiG-21, L-39 Albatros, Mirage F-1M and some others.
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  1. Cananecat
    Cananecat 1 July 2021 11: 25
    +6
    And then it will begin ... "unknown aircraft launched a missile bombing attack on the positions ... of some kind of national democratic forces."
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 1 July 2021 11: 42
      +7
      At 97m I was offered to buy a MiG-19 in quite working condition and the coolest thing is quite official, but with the conditions - take it away from the airfield, serve it yourself, they won't let you fly, but we have nothing to do with it. wassat
      1. Cananecat
        Cananecat 1 July 2021 11: 49
        +8
        Quote: NDR-791
        At 97m I was offered to buy a MiG-19 in quite working condition and the coolest thing is quite official

        I had to take ... (c)
        laughing
      2. NIKN
        NIKN 1 July 2021 15: 02
        +2
        Quote: NDR-791
        At 97m I was offered to buy a MiG-19

        A certificate of airworthiness and "perfectly working condition" are two different things. It is necessary to confirm all the documentation, for each unit ... well, it is more realistic to issue it as a homemade product than to restore and confirm the airworthiness of a particular instance.
    2. Yrec
      Yrec 1 July 2021 12: 24
      +1
      Indeed, they will periodically be used in the interests of any PMCs.
      1. fruc
        fruc 1 July 2021 14: 56
        +1
        will periodically be used in the interests of all PMCs

        or any provocations in any corner of Europe. NATO will say that these are not our planes, they are private.
    3. Guardian of the walls
      Guardian of the walls 1 July 2021 15: 55
      +2
      Israel has already sold its decommissioned F-16s to this company.
  2. SovAr238A
    SovAr238A 1 July 2021 11: 46
    +3
    This practice is controversial in the United States itself. In particular, it is criticized that the US Air Force itself sells fighters to a private company, after which it is paid money to conduct the pilot training procedure. The military command says that it is cheaper than maintaining the aircraft after the end of their service life.


    Those who have never considered economics believe that having their own is always cheaper than buying.

    Outsourcing - which is now increasingly used in the world's armies - is usually always cheaper.


    And the US Air Force is right in this case.
    Of course it turns out cheaper.
    The task is rather highly specialized.
    BVB training.
    If you consider "your" then:
    To teach pilots, to pay them all the benefits and length of service, to pay for their housing, to pay a huge social package for family members and future pensions.
    The same goes for technicians.
    The same goes for all airbase personnel.
    After all, one pilot is served by about 25 personnel.
    Aircraft maintenance costs a lot of money.
    Fuel - it also costs a lot of money and is bought under annual contracts, it is needed a lot in advance, accumulating large reserves of fuel at the bases.
    If someone dies in the line of duty, the payments are huge to family members, the loss of aircraft is a black negative.

    And then a company appears that does the same for 60-70% of the total costs.
    And the US Air Force doesn't have a headache about airplanes. about the lack of pilots and technicians, about payments and social packages, fuel supplies, and no smut for management - if the "private plane" crashes to the ground.

    And calmer and cheaper.
    And maybe the result is even better, since private traders can choose the best of the best for themselves and pay them as much as they can afford ...
    1. MP
      MP 1 July 2021 11: 58
      0
      And in your opinion, a private company, unlike the US Air Force, refills airplanes, pays pilots with freshly printed candy wrappers, and aircraft technicians like plumbers? Of course, this is a corruption scheme, there is no doubt about it.
      1. parma
        parma 1 July 2021 12: 10
        +3
        Quote: Mpx
        And in your opinion, a private company, unlike the US Air Force, refills airplanes, pays pilots with freshly printed candy wrappers, and aircraft technicians like plumbers? Of course, this is a corruption scheme, there is no doubt about it.

        You do not quite understand correctly .. the question is that the planes from the aggressor squadrons fly roughly 200 hours a year, and money for salaries, maintenance, etc. is eaten 24/365 (if they are regular fighters) ... you can cooperate with neighbors / allies, but it is difficult, and to whom is it ultimately obeyed? Who owns the technique? ... it's easier to hire a private trader who flies off and trains pilots for 50% of the annual maintenance of these planes ... and yes, this 50% is several times more than the cost of the conventional 200 flight hours, so it will work in +, well, maybe he also has contracts with other countries (and the branches of the armed forces in this country), in general, he earns well ...
      2. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 1 July 2021 12: 26
        +10
        Quote: Mpx
        And in your opinion, a private company, unlike the US Air Force, refills airplanes, pays pilots with freshly printed candy wrappers, and aircraft technicians like plumbers? Of course, this is a corruption scheme, there is no doubt about it.


        I have been outsourcing for 5 years.
        I provide transport for Transneft and Gazprom-Guard.
        Almost 700 machines only work with us, and there are more than a dozen such companies in the country.

        And this is significantly cheaper for the customer than keeping his own.

        You do not need to keep your warm, heated boxes.
        It is not necessary to maintain a staff of mechanics, dispatchers.
        Car washes, contracts with service stations, doctors, briefings, road safety, traffic rules and all the relevant "strapping" of the activities of the motor transport.
        There is no firebrand with repairs and the availability of spare parts and the period of their waiting and the requirement to pay in advance a part of the parts and work in advance ...
        No need to pay salaries with northern allowances, no need to pay two-month vacations.
        There is no need to spend huge sums in advance payment for fuel.
        In general, it removes all hemorrhoids from the head.

        And most importantly!
        A third-party contractor-outsourcer is obliged to fulfill all the customer's requirements specified in the contract.
        The customer didn’t like the driver - he doesn’t allow him - the contractor is obliged to replace, and you try to dismiss the "cracked foul language" by the shopping mall? Extremely problematic. And then just a letter - and another driver.
        The customer is obliged to receive a clean and serviceable car every day - and it does!
        The contractor "spins and works wonders of ingenuity" ... Buys a replacement park for his own money for the duration of repairs and maintenance.
        He himself is looking for drivers who must meet the customer's requirements, which is not so easy.
        Itself pays for several million in advance payment for fuel weekly.
        He pays for his drivers himself for business trips, meals and hotels on business trips.
        Itself pays for the "3-week observation" for those drivers who work as a watch everywhere in wild places.
        I can write a lot more about outsourcing and how it works and how, in fact, it is only a plus for the customer. For several years already in this segment.
        I wrote about "60-70% of total costs" for a reason.
        For the customer it is cheaper and without hemorrhoids.
        And this is a fact.

        And you mean your cut as in the manual .. Corruption scheme.
        You just do not know anything about real systems of work, but you are trying to voice your opinion, illiterate
        1. mister-red
          mister-red 1 July 2021 21: 48
          0
          Quote: SovAr238A
          I can write a lot more about outsourcing

          I have worked on this topic for a dozen years, albeit in IT. There is a certain line between having your own employees or someone else's office on outsourcing. More often, the decision is in favor of their own, even foreign companies. Although it's easier to deal with someone than to organize everything yourself. Especially if it is not at all in the profile

          I have been outsourcing for 5 years.
          I provide transport for Transneft and Gazprom-Guard.
          Almost 700 machines only work with us, and there are more than a dozen such companies in the country.

          These are your 700 cars or you work there for hire, otherwise it is not entirely clear from the above. By our standards, 700 cars are a huge company. I think there are no such in our country in principle.
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 2 July 2021 11: 15
            0
            Quote: mister-red


            I have been outsourcing for 5 years.
            I provide transport for Transneft and Gazprom-Guard.
            Almost 700 machines only work with us, and there are more than a dozen such companies in the country.

            These are your 700 cars or you work there for hire, otherwise it is not entirely clear from the above. By our standards, 700 cars are a huge company. I think there are no such in our country in principle.

            I am a hired manager. Manager of contracts for the Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug, the Urals, Siberia.
            400 cars in my projects alone.
            200 cars along the Middle Volga.
            And in the rest of the regions.
            You do not look at the maps of oil and gas pipelines in the country.
            Look at the number of KS and LPDS.
            And maybe you will immediately understand the resources that work in ensuring the activity.
            I have said many times that there is a fifth army in the country.
            Army of Gazprom guards.
            All the "former" ones. All are well armed.
            Many even keep themselves in great shape.

            And 700 cars is not the biggest company - believe me.
            There are only 40 employees on the staff who manage all this.
            This is taking into account the accounting department.
            There are a lot of drivers - for almost 500 cars work 24/7 - and have a crew of 4 people per car working on a shift-sliding schedule.

            And the fact that you do not know about such companies - you just never came across them.
            1. mister-red
              mister-red 4 July 2021 19: 27
              0
              Quote: SovAr238A
              And the fact that you do not know about such companies - you just never came across them.

              I just have nowhere wink The country is small, firms with a hundred cars are just monsters.
      3. Blackmokona
        Blackmokona 1 July 2021 20: 16
        0
        Unlike the United States, it will not be officials who will stick to their hands much more strongly. And therefore, fuel is somehow much cheaper and spare parts, etc.
      4. Revolver
        Revolver 1 July 2021 21: 21
        +3
        Quote: Mpx
        and aircraft technicians as plumbers?

        A plumber usually has his own business, one person or family. Just for coming on call $ 50, and how much for work it depends on what to do, but it never seems a little - I speak like a simple American homeowner. The income of such a plumber is about the same as that of a good programmer, or maybe even more, differently more than that of an aircraft technician. True, the work is still the same, head over heels in someone else's shit, in a flooded basement or in a stuffy attic, where you can only crawl on your knees. Well, or dodge in the bedside table under the sink. In general, not for everyone.
      5. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 1 July 2021 21: 48
        +1
        "and to aircraft technicians - as plumbers" ///
        ---
        Plumbers in the West earn more aircraft technicians and more pilots. smile
        1. Liam
          Liam 1 July 2021 22: 10
          -2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Plumbers in the West earn more aircraft technicians and more pilots

          Come on .. Have you seen a lot of plumbers on Ferrari? And most pilots can afford it.
          The average plumber doesn't even make nearly as much as the average pilot.



          Does a pilot get 2.000 bucks in Israel?)
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 1 July 2021 22: 51
            +1
            In Israel, a special license is not required to work as a plumber,
            therefore the salaries are small. As in Italy, I wonder, do you need a license?
            But in New York, I was told to get a plumbing license,
            it's like a winning lottery ticket laughing
            1. Liam
              Liam 2 July 2021 06: 38
              -2
              Quote: voyaka uh
              As in Italy, I wonder, do you need a license?

              Of course not.
              Quote: voyaka uh
              But in New York, I was told to get a plumbing license,
              it's like a winning lottery ticket


              Plumber salaries in the United States, according to Indeed and Payscale, are based on over 20 jobs across all regions of the country. Monthly salaries and hourly rates are spread based on factors such as experience, geography, and the highest paid and popular employers in America.



              Average Salaries for Plumbers by State
              The average monthly salary for plumbers in the United States is in the range of $ 4 gross (189 per hour) with fluctuations of +/- 24,07% depending on the region. Net, after paying the necessary taxes, it will be about USD 25 per month              .
              https://www.google.com/amp/s/zarplata-es.com/zarplaty-santehnikov-v-ssha/amp/
        2. stalkerwalker
          stalkerwalker 1 July 2021 22: 13
          +2
          Quote: voyaka uh
          Plumbers in the West earn more aircraft technicians and more pilots.

          Lesha ...
          Well, why lead our goldsmiths into temptation?
          wassat
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 2 July 2021 11: 26
            +1
            Quote: stalkerwalker

            Lesha ...
            Well, why lead our goldsmiths into temptation?
            wassat


            Our drivers do not yet know how much a trucker earns in the USA.
            novice hired driver - 52 cents per mile and up.
            Experienced salaried employee from 65 cents a mile plus bonuses.

            And it doesn't matter where he lives. the employer pays for the flight from his place of residence to the office and back after the trip.
            And the driver does nothing himself.
            General.
            Neither changes the wheels, nor maintains, nor repairs.
            He just turns the steering wheel.

            And if the driver becomes an OVner (owner of his own truck), then he begins to receive from 4 to 6 and even more dollars per mile.
            But there are already expenses for fuel and repairs and leasing and everything else.
            Most of the Russian-speaking drivers in America, after 2-3-4 years, after getting their hands on and gaining experience, become owner operators.
            They leave for a flight for about 2-3-4 weeks, then rest as much as they see fit.
            In a month, the real income is from $ 6000 and the maximum figure that I have heard is 35 thousand dollars per month.

            And we really see in America Russian-speaking truck drivers on Ferrari with Maybachs and houses for 500 thousand dollars ...
    2. your1970
      your1970 1 July 2021 12: 01
      -1
      Quote: SovAr238A
      And maybe the result is even better, since private traders can choose the best of the best for themselves and pay them as much as they can afford ...

      And one fine day it may turn out that this pilot, by virtue of performing the same actions, will work out shabloн - which our pilots will not have ...
      And this is EXTREMELY NOT useful for the USAF
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 1 July 2021 12: 27
        +3
        Quote: your1970
        Quote: SovAr238A
        And maybe the result is even better, since private traders can choose the best of the best for themselves and pay them as much as they can afford ...

        And one fine day it may turn out that this pilot, by virtue of performing the same actions, will work out shabloн - which our pilots will not have ...
        And this is EXTREMELY NOT useful for the USAF


        Do you really think that the customer will not notice this and will not demand to change the pilot training program?
        Contractor - will instantly react and will do as the customer needs.
        1. your1970
          your1970 1 July 2021 19: 58
          -2
          Quote: SovAr238A
          Quote: your1970
          Quote: SovAr238A
          And maybe the result is even better, since private traders can choose the best of the best for themselves and pay them as much as they can afford ...

          And one fine day it may turn out that this pilot, by virtue of performing the same actions, will work out shabloн - which our pilots will not have ...
          And this is EXTREMELY NOT useful for the USAF


          Do you really think that the customer will not notice this and will not demand to change the pilot training program?
          Contractor - will instantly react and will do as the customer needs.

          there is such an anecdote about two bulls - young and old:
          "...... no, we will slowly go down and love the whole herd" ©
          The pilot who participates in this once a month feels the excitement and the desire to excel.
          A pilot who does the same thing every day will fly without excitement. Well, they changed the box for two barrels + a corkscrew - for him, nothing fundamentally changes. old bull.....

          Another example - my grandfather said that during the war they tried (or the order was, he did not know) the sappers who cleared more than 250 mines - temporarily transfer them to something else. They got used to it too much and ceased to be afraid - they say God for the beard ... After a while, fear (from a quiet life) returned and they were sent back for demining
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 1 July 2021 12: 33
        0
        I will disappoint you. Even the red baron said that everything is decided by vertical maneuver and speed. Since then, nothing has changed. The main thing in a fighter is either to quickly accumulate potential energy (climb, acceleration), or to quickly convert it.
        US pilots are already losing battles to the computer. And without options.
    3. mitroha
      mitroha 1 July 2021 12: 24
      0
      Quote: SovAr238A
      And maybe the result is even better, since private traders can choose the best of the best for themselves and pay them as much as they can afford ...

      Conversely, notice
      1. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 1 July 2021 12: 48
        +1
        Quote: Mitroha
        Quote: SovAr238A
        And maybe the result is even better, since private traders can choose the best of the best for themselves and pay them as much as they can afford ...

        Conversely, notice

        I have never heard that private traders of this level of income would take the worst ...
  3. Rubi0
    Rubi0 1 July 2021 13: 52
    0
    Still, there is a lot to learn from the West, they make money on everything from adult films to training for military pilots and private astronautics.
  4. jncnfdybr
    jncnfdybr 1 July 2021 14: 44
    -2
    Are these private traders not in Ukraine?