Sohu: Unexpectedly, the Dutch frigate turned out to be so powerless in front of the Russian electronic warfare systems

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A very short time after the provocation staged in the Black Sea by the British destroyer Defender, the "feat" of the British sailors for some reason decided to repeat their Dutch colleagues. The Netherlands can hardly be called a serious military power, since the power of the Dutch fleet remained in the distant XNUMXth century. But in this case, the Dutch frigate acted as another instrument of provocation.

The frigate of the Royal Netherlands Navy Evertsen, as already reported, unexpectedly headed for the Kerch Strait. However, the Russian planes, promptly taken into the air, quickly forced the Dutch to change course. But even this is not interesting: the Dutch military department, shortly after the incident, announced that as a result of the actions of the Russian aviation the frigate's electronic equipment is out of order.



Questions inevitably arise here. First of all, I wonder what kind of equipment it is and what quality is it, if not even in a real combat situation, but simply when Russian planes appear near the ship, it is already out of order?

The author of the Chinese publication Sohu, asking this question, believes that the electronic equipment of the Dutch frigate failed for a reason: Russia could launch an attack with its well-developed electronic warfare systems, as a result of which the frigate's systems were suppressed and could no longer perform their functions.

According to Sohu, Russia has deployed a huge number of electronic warfare systems in Crimea. Electronic warfare means are also possessed by Russian aircraft, which can, with their help, suppress the electronic systems of enemy ships, after which they can attack them practically without resistance.

In the event that strikes cannot be delivered directly for fear of triggering a war, an electronic attack is a very good means of warning intruders that it is time to leave.

We saw how the systems on the frigate of the Netherlands Navy were easily paralyzed by the Russian army,

- writes a Chinese author.

As a result of the actions of the Russian electronic warfare, the Dutch frigate was forced to quickly change its course. The Netherlands, as the Chinese newspaper emphasizes, not only failed to achieve any goal with its provocation, but simply lost its face.

Later, the Minister of Defense of the Netherlands Anna Beyleveld-Schouten made an offended statement that Russia, they say, had committed "dangerous and irresponsible" actions. But the only real consequence of the actions of Russian planes and ships is another failure of NATO's provocation, the second in recent years.

Suddenly, the Dutch frigate turned out to be so powerless in front of Russian electronic warfare systems. Russia did not even drop bombs, but on it they actually raised their hands and were ready to surrender,

- summarizes the author Sohu.
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  1. +8
    July 1 2021
    Probably, the entire crew of the frigate has already quit.
    1. +28
      July 1 2021
      Quote: military_cat
      Probably, the entire crew of the frigate has already quit.

      Right there across the board wassat
      1. -36
        July 1 2021
        Quote: NDR-791
        Quote: military_cat
        Probably, the entire crew of the frigate has already quit.

        Right there across the board wassat

        How else? After all, they were disconnected from Odnoklassniki by RF electronic warfare systems. crying
        1. +5
          July 1 2021
          A very short time after the provocation staged in the Black Sea by the British destroyer Defender, "Feat" of British sailors for some reason decided to repeat their Dutch colleagues.


          Why is this bewilderment - "why"?
          On the face - quite clearly visible NATO line "to touch" us on the subject "weak - not weak"associated with the intentions of the bloc to seriously gain a foothold in the Black Sea using the territory of Ukraine.
          Probably, the ships and aviation of the Black Sea Fleet will soon have to meet more and more often with NATO troops more and more often.

          The Netherlands can hardly be called a militarily serious power, since the power of the Dutch fleet remained in the distant XNUMXth century. But in this case, the Dutch frigate acted as another instrument of provocation.


          In this case, we have a calculation on their part not on individual forces of the members of the alliance, but on "collective will of NATO"which, in their opinion, should restrain us from a harsh reaction to provocations of this kind.
          1. +12
            July 1 2021
            Well, fir trees, fells!
            Not only the deck of the frigate, but even all the superstructures of the ship was soiled by the collective will of NATO, and how this collective will smelled - probably even in Kerch they felt it! laughing
            1. -3
              July 1 2021
              Quote: hydrox
              Well, fir trees, fells!
              Not only the deck of the frigate, but even all the superstructures of the ship was soiled by the collective will of NATO, and how this collective will smelled - probably even in Kerch they felt it!


              You can mock this particular case as much as you like, but will you laugh about it - "The Constitution is not a hindrance: Kiev allows the deployment of NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine"(news from Ukraine, discussed in another thread)?
              1. bar
                +4
                July 1 2021
                Quote: PiK
                but will you laugh about this - "The Constitution is not a hindrance: Kiev allows the deployment of NATO bases on the territory of Ukraine"

                There is something that is, that is something that you give.
                Ukram is no stranger to putting the device on its own constitution. But putting the same thing on the Montreux convention will be more difficult.
                1. 0
                  July 1 2021
                  Quote: bar
                  But putting the same thing on the Montreux convention will be more difficult.

                  Do not hesitate, they will put collective efforts, led by a hegemon. England leaves the EU, which suggests that they don't care about the whole EU, they have their own goals, but the rest should think about this and somehow try to determine who they are or where they are?
                  1. +2
                    July 1 2021
                    The British will realize their mistake very soon. They already have a shortage of 100000 truck and truck drivers, or there will be more. Wait and see.
                    1. +2
                      July 1 2021
                      Quote: Gado
                      The British will realize their mistake very soon. They already lack 100000 truck and truck drivers, or there will be more

                      Either unmanned trucks will be used on a massive scale, or the Baltic "tigers" will remain completely without population. The fact that the Britons are not in the EU will not be a hindrance, there are already so many "theirs" that there will be no problems with invitations, the visa problem will be bypassed.
                      1. -1
                        July 11 2021
                        So after all, there is a training option: against any toddler who started a provocation such as "Defender vs RF", it will be possible to release a couple of Su-25s, each with a pair of electronic warfare containers under the wings and shoot from onboard cannons from a good distance with electronic warfare systems working - once upon a time it is necessary to try them in practice when used together (do not use bombs, it is not necessary to heat and light them)
                2. +3
                  July 1 2021
                  Quote: bar
                  But putting the same thing on the Montreux convention will be more difficult.

                  NATO will simply lease its ships to Ukraine. Moreover, together with the crews
                  1. +1
                    July 1 2021
                    Quote: starpom
                    NATO will simply lease its ships to Ukraine. Moreover, together with the crews

                    According to the method of imperial Germany - "Goeben" and "Breslau"?
              2. +2
                July 2 2021
                On this occasion, the GDP has already expressed itself unequivocally. The same red line after crossing which the question of the loss of statehood will arise 404
              3. +1
                July 2 2021
                So he'll find adventure on his ass. good
              4. -1
                July 11 2021
                Are you scared of NATO bases on Ukrainian territory?
                In vain: when a threatening situation occurs, the time of their life (together with drugs) is measured in minutes.
          2. -1
            July 1 2021
            Quote: PiK
            On the face - quite clearly visible NATO line

            I don’t understand, on whose face? feel
          3. +1
            July 1 2021
            Jackals are jackals and there are brave only in the article
            BUT THE BEAR IS NOT AFRAID OF DOGS !!!
            1. 0
              July 2 2021
              But in vain. After all, a hunter with a gun goes after the dogs ...
        2. +14
          July 1 2021
          Quote: professor
          How else? After all, they were disconnected from the "Odnoklassniki" by RF electronic warfare systems

          Uv. Professor. I'm not writing about your joke. You, Oleg, made me think about this -
          1) Your service life for VO is 10 years (without a couple of days).
          2) You have 502 publications! Even if you didn't write these articles yourself .. it's still very great services.
          3) And you have more comments than dofig.
          ------------------------
          recourse And the title is captain. Others have a 2 month period for VO .. not a single publication .. and also captains.
          Something is wrong with the rank system. Rather, it is sharply wrong. What do you think ?
          1. +23
            July 1 2021
            Quote: ammunition
            Something is wrong with the rank system. Rather, it is sharply wrong. What do you think ?

            Their ranks are in the army. Real. And here is the "popularity contest". Fart a topic and get likes. And there general's and marshal's shoulder straps ... soldier

            PS
            The articles are either mine, or a translation, but also mine.
            1. +23
              July 1 2021
              Quote: professor
              here is the "popularity contest". Fart a topic and get likes.

              It turns out not in the subject of "farts". laughing
              This is democracy.
              Including for her they left the USSR and went to Israel.

              It is those who fart into the topic that become the chosen people of the people. wink

              Democracy is a popularity contest. With which I congratulate all those involved. love

              Democracy - "Purdy in the subject and become the chosen one." good
              1. +11
                July 1 2021
                Quote: For example
                Democracy - "Purdy in the subject and become the chosen one."

                "Have you ever deviated from the party line? - No, I hesitated along with the line."
                And hesitated, for the sake of their own well-being. Lost the country.
              2. 0
                July 1 2021
                Quote: For example
                It turns out not in the subject of "farts".
                This is democracy.
                Including for her they left the USSR and went to Israel.

                There were no complaints or regrets in my words, but only a statement of fact. Here, likes are not for knowledge or for having their own opinion, but for the fact that they "walk in formation".
                1. -7
                  July 1 2021
                  Quote: professor
                  There were no complaints or regrets in my words, but only a statement of fact.

                  Oleg, there are no claims to you.

                  And here and everywhere "huskies" are either a breed of dog, or squeals for joy.

                  In the army rank there are rewards for service.
                  In "like" politics, there is a way of recognizing the power of one over the other.

                  And it's not a fact that ranks in the army are more important than "likes" in politics.

                  For example, you post articles here for "likes", but not for rank.
                  Or are you writing here for the sake of educating the unreasonable? laughing

                  Loot, sir. wink

                  In the end, the army serves the politicians.
                  1. -2
                    July 2 2021
                    Quote: For example
                    In the army rank there are rewards for service.

                    Too "streamlined" wording.

                    The title, and accordingly the salary, is a measure of the knowledge and skills of a serviceman, his official qualifications.
                    Of course, the salary may also include various allowances, for example, seniority, but longer service implies greater, "seasoned" professionalism, developed and honed over the years of service.
                    1. -1
                      July 2 2021
                      Quote: PiK
                      The title, and accordingly the salary, is a measure of the knowledge and skills of a soldier

                      Come on.

                      Are you really sure that all majors are smarter than the captains?

                      Are you out of this life?

                      Do you really think that positions (and titles to them) are given by knowledge?

                      All officers graduate from specialized educational institutions.

                      All senior officers complete special training courses (academies, etc.)

                      Everyone has a professional knowledge base.

                      But not everyone becomes generals.

                      Not everyone becomes commander of regiments and divisions.

                      Something else is needed. wink
                      1. -1
                        July 2 2021
                        Quote: For example

                        Come on.

                        Are you really sure that all majors are smarter than the captains?

                        Are you out of this life?


                        And I'm talking about the mind, or IQ (which are different from birth for everyone)?

                        Can you compare the skills, abilities and professionalism (with equal learning ability) for example a college graduate and a foreman with 5-10 years of experience in production?
                2. +3
                  July 1 2021
                  Professor (Oleg Sokolov) - "... There are likes here not for knowledge or for having their own opinion, but for" walking in formation. "

                  Sir, free yourself from false beliefs. Fantasize less on pessimistic topics.
                  All this leads to irreparable mistakes in life.
                3. +1
                  July 1 2021
                  Quote: professor
                  There were no complaints or regrets in my words, but only a statement of fact. Here, likes are not for knowledge or for having their own opinion, but for the fact that they "walk in formation".

                  All the same, not all and not always! I remember your comments 10 years ago. To be honest, I liked them more than today! Then you had more objectivity. I agree that the VO is sliding ... but I don’t know how to stop it.
                  1. +1
                    July 4 2021
                    Quote: non-primary
                    I remember your comments 10 years ago

                    Well then, VO was appreciated for the comments themselves with excellent articles. Sometimes you go to a discussion and hang there in awe of the level of comments and discussions.
                    There were several times fewer of them, but very high quality.
                    Quote: non-primary
                    Then you had more objectivity

                    either getting old or tired of the overly emotional cheers of the patriots. laughing
                    Yes, he has not changed for this ten. As for me.

                    Quote: non-primary
                    I agree that the VO is sliding ... but I don’t know how to stop it.

                    No one knows.
                    movie Idiocracy. 2005 as an explanation of the global trend
              3. 0
                July 1 2021
                Quote: For example
                Democracy - "Purdy in the subject and become the chosen one."

                "The bug is small, but it stinks" (folk wisdom) laughing
            2. +1
              July 1 2021
              Quote: professor
              Their ranks are in the army. Real.

              And what is your present and in whose army?

              Quote: professor
              And here is the "popularity contest". Fart a topic and get likes. And there general's and marshal's shoulder straps ...

              You can't argue with that - it really is.
          2. +22
            July 1 2021
            Quote: ammunition
            Something is wrong with the rank system. Rather, it is sharply wrong. What do you think ?

            The VO rank system completely copies the realities of the surrounding world, where the "thickest shoulder straps" belong to populists, hypocrites and authors of empty slogans who are so fond of the electorate, and not at all from those who think and do.
            1. +21
              July 1 2021
              Silently envy. get up earlier and immediately start leaving comments, preferably the first ones like: Our fathers .... and we ........, everyone steals, ........ pensions are small ....... that's all. After all, comments especially for those who have nothing to do, take a lot of time and most importantly: the soul hurts VERY badly for the Motherland (any). After all, no one will call, not from the Kremlin or Frunzenskaya Embankment, or from Bankova, and will not ask: And dear Mikolo Shaevich Ivanov, they have long wanted to ask you, What can we do with this whole thing ...? )))))))))
              1. -1
                July 2 2021
                Wow, this is a riot, so you look, I'm going to be field marshals soon. Gentlemen and comrades, well, stop, it's funny, it's like the Cossacks with their crosses for the Kursk toilet seat ... don't be disgraced, we're just having fun.
            2. +6
              July 1 2021
              Ferret ,, mikhan ,, out of competition! General for two months!
              1. +1
                July 4 2021
                Quote: ASAD
                Ferret ,, mikhan ,, out of competition! General for two months!

                well there is uniqueness
                the main thing is to remember a couple of details
                1-Kiev will be ours
                2-Heh heh ..
                3-catching the pluses. lol
                it's not a matter for you to describe .. new technologies!
            3. +1
              July 2 2021
              laughing and do not speak
          3. -1
            July 1 2021
            Is this an indicator?
          4. +4
            July 1 2021
            Quote: ammunition
            And the title is captain. Others have a 2 month period for VO .. not a single publication .. and also captains.
            Something is wrong with the rank system. Rather, it is sharply wrong. What do you think ?

            I had one friend who was also a captain, so he quit the army as a captain.
            First, during the exercises, he removed from his command post (or something like that) the observing colonel, who climbed with some advice and teachings. The second time he was demoted, when he sent the checking political officer, who at the meeting tried to sneeze the captain for drunkenness, sent him far away and reminded this political worker how he took a steam bath in the bathhouse with bl ... and drunkenly burned the bathhouse! lol
            1. +3
              July 1 2021
              Quote: LIONnvrsk
              Quote: ammunition
              And the title is captain. Others have a 2 month period for VO .. not a single publication .. and also captains.
              Something is wrong with the rank system. Rather, it is sharply wrong. What do you think ?

              I had one friend who was also a captain, so he quit the army as a captain.
              First, during the exercises, he removed from his command post (or something like that) the observing colonel, who climbed with some advice and teachings. The second time he was demoted, when he sent the checking political officer, who at the meeting tried to sneeze the captain for drunkenness, sent him far away and reminded this political worker how he took a steam bath in the bathhouse with bl ... and drunkenly burned the bathhouse! lol

              What a "brave" captain you have! And in fact, many captains have retired, I am one of them. And if we did not become colonels, it means that there were more worthy candidates approved from above! And I am proud of my CAPTAIN!
          5. +2
            July 2 2021
            Quote: ammunition
            Something is wrong with the rank system. Rather, it is sharply wrong. What do you think ?

            Colleague, Oleg once scored a bunch of "skulls" when next to the avatar the flag of the host state was also hung out. Well, our community does not like bursting jewelers and watchmakers .... Yes-ahh, here ...
            And so his posts are always meaningful and you can argue with him on the merits.
            But, I remember, with the Russian language, he did not quite reach the "professor" ... Until he corrected him ... But, nevertheless, a colleague from the Macleod clan! - in the sense of "longevity" on the site ...
            1. 0
              July 4 2021
              Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
              But, nevertheless, a colleague from the Macleod clan! - in the sense of "longevity" on the site ...

              only a few of these remained.
              With their opinion and ability not to be banned.
              I would offer them a museum, but it's about friends. wink
              I want to continue reading them. Moreover, the people of Israel are allowed to have their own opinion.
              1. 0
                July 5 2021
                Quote: Black Lotos
                Moreover, the people of Israel are allowed to have their own opinion.

                Oh how !!! belay
                And the rest, in your opinion, it turns out that they are not allowed to have their own opinion ??? request
                It's strange to hear all this somehow ... your statement is contrary to site policy. stop
                AHA.
                1. 0
                  July 11 2021
                  Allowed, but not for everyone ...
          6. +1
            July 2 2021
            Quote: ammunition
            You have 502 publications!

            The articles are about nothing, mainly about the technological effectiveness of NATO armies.
            Quote: ammunition
            And you have more comments than a dofig.

            And what comments there may be, an Israeli, after all, here is the captain.
            1. 0
              July 2 2021
              Quote: saturn.mmm
              The articles are about nothing, mainly about the technological effectiveness of NATO armies.

              Definitely about nothing. good That's why I stopped writing here. By the way, not "mainly about the technological effectiveness of NATO armies," but exclusively about the bourgeois.
              1. 0
                July 2 2021
                Good health to you.
                A friend-comrade with his family gathered to you for permanent residence, he said that it is necessary to think about children, engineer.
                1. 0
                  July 2 2021
                  An engineer is good. But I would advise him ... Don't just go, provide all the regalia, connections and experience, of course. And prepares for 3 years of adaptation. Of course, our state will help. If children by age pass to Tsakhal, everything will be fine.
                  They realize themselves, no doubt.
                2. +1
                  July 2 2021
                  Quote: saturn.mmm
                  Good health to you.
                  A friend-comrade with his family gathered to you for permanent residence, he said that it is necessary to think about children, engineer.

                  Good luck to him. If up to 40 and big-headed, but without pretensions, then he will eventually get a job as an engineer. Well, children, children will be fine.

                  PS
                  The main thing is patience. hi
                  1. 0
                    July 2 2021
                    He is already in his second half of his sixties, which, in principle, stopped him from taking this step earlier, with children by age, they will be suitable for the Israeli army.
                    1. +2
                      July 2 2021
                      Quote: saturn.mmm
                      He is already in his second half of his sixties, which, in principle, stopped him from taking this step earlier, with children by age, they will be suitable for the Israeli army.

                      Well, then he has nothing to grieve at all. She will receive an old-age allowance, help with paying for an apartment or a government apartment, and will live modestly but with dignity.

                      The Tsakhal is a good entry into Israeli society.

                      PS
                      Everyone who repatriates after 18 years of age does not need to serve in Tsakhal.
                      1. 0
                        July 2 2021
                        Quote: professor
                        She will receive an old-age allowance, help with paying for an apartment or a state apartment, and will live modestly but with dignity.

                        He is an engineer of telecommunications, I do not think that in Israel there is a very big difference in the construction of networks, maybe even his wife is a philologist teacher. Here many begin to think.
                      2. 0
                        July 2 2021
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Here many begin to think.

                        Here are the ungrateful ones. Only, only the Russian Federation starts to get up from its knees, and they, you understand, begin to think about (scary to say) leaving their own ship. angry
                      3. 0
                        July 3 2021
                        Quote: professor
                        Here are the ungrateful ones. Only, only the Russian Federation starts to get up from its knees, and they, you understand, begin to think about (scary to say) leaving their own ship.

                        I apologize that I did not immediately write that from the Republic of Belarus, I assumed that you remember. Russia is a rich country with large gold and foreign exchange reserves, a huge national welfare fund, and people have relatively small pensions and small salaries.
                      4. +1
                        July 3 2021
                        Quote: saturn.mmm
                        Quote: professor
                        Here are the ungrateful ones. Only, only the Russian Federation starts to get up from its knees, and they, you understand, begin to think about (scary to say) leaving their own ship.

                        I apologize that I did not immediately write that from the Republic of Belarus, I assumed that you remember. Russia is a rich country with large gold and foreign exchange reserves, a huge national welfare fund, and people have relatively small pensions and small salaries.

                        RB? It changes everything. wassat
                      5. 0
                        July 11 2021
                        Professor, you can get up from your knees, but where you will have to enter ...
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        3. +10
          July 1 2021
          There are three options - either the electronic warfare worked and everything is sad for them, or it didn't exist and they lie, or it didn't exist, but it broke itself ...
          All three options are sad for the Dutch fleet ...
          All three!!!
          1. 0
            July 2 2021
            I think that the third option, it makes no sense for ours to fire the work of electronic warfare at all, there I suppose half of NATO was listening to what was happening and how ..
        4. +3
          July 1 2021
          You will still laugh, but historically Odnoklassniki is an English project.
          Sincerely
          1. 0
            July 4 2021
            Quote: nobody75
            You will still laugh, but historically Odnoklassniki is an English project.
            Sincerely

            well, you can also respectfully add that this is the property of a Cyprus company
            NESSLY HOLDINGS LTD is a Cypriot company.
            Address
            REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS, 1097 NICOSIA, DIAGORU 4, KERMIA BUILDING, 6 FLOOR, OFFICE 601)
            (MGL Mail.ru Group Equity Limited, Cyprus), which in turn is owned by Mail Cooperatief UA, the Netherlands. The latter belongs to the company "Mail.ru Group Limited" (registered in the Virgin Islands, the main office is located in the city of Limassol, Cyprus)
            1. 0
              July 4 2021
              Initially, "Odnoklassniki" were written for an English audience. There all sorts of "Hogwarts" love. As for mail.ru, the whole world already knows that Alisher is behind these shell companies ...
              Sincerely
        5. +2
          July 1 2021
          Quote: professor
          Quote: NDR-791
          Quote: military_cat
          Probably, the entire crew of the frigate has already quit.

          Right there across the board wassat

          How else? After all, they were disconnected from Odnoklassniki by RF electronic warfare systems. crying

          Professor, well, what about without your malicious malice.?
          And then you complain that they do not understand you and call everyone here anti-Semites ... bully Maybe you should be a little kinder to your homeland, which raised you (badly), but treated you for free and let you go ..
          And you throw mud at her! You are incorrigible and you are arrogant
          1. +1
            July 5 2021
            Don't waste time on them - they are incorrigible.
        6. +1
          July 1 2021
          The fuse is blown, and they are about airplanes.
          Quote: professor
          disconnected from the "Odnoklassniki" by RF electronic warfare systems.

          Yeah, in Odessa it was bought in the ZIP on Privoz with the inscription: made in THE Israel. And again the hand of Moscow.
        7. -3
          July 1 2021
          Old senile, you got it all mixed up; first class passengers with finely soft and book-face.
    2. +6
      July 1 2021
      Let's wait for the Ukrainian inflatable fleet to attack! Chubaty have nothing to fear. They had no electronics when they were born. Only toilets.) These, electronic warfare, do not frighten ... Terrible, however ....)))
      1. +1
        July 1 2021
        Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
        These, electronic warfare, do not frighten ... Terrible, however.

        Yes, it is, they themselves will scare anyone.
        There was such, in Soviet times, a formidable jammer, like the Yak-28pp, not an airplane, but a miracle. Based in Ukraine in Buyalyk (as part of the 511th mixed reconnaissance regiment) and, in Chortkov (as part of a separate AE)
        Then, from Buyalyk, in 1985, they drove all the PP-shki to Chortkov, and it turned out to be a whole electronic warfare regiment (118th separate regiment) It was a force and all this power went to Ukraine after the collapse of the Union. them, just a gigantic amount of Yak-28pp
        And what if they restore and restore all this?
        1. 0
          July 2 2021
          Do you believe in Santa Claus? And the tooth fairy?
        2. +1
          July 4 2021
          Quote: bober1982
          Then, from Buyalyk, in 1985, they drove all the PP-shki to Chortkov, and it turned out to be a whole electronic warfare regiment (118th separate regiment) It was a force and all this power went to Ukraine after the collapse of the Union. them, just a gigantic amount of Yak-28pp

          After the collapse of the USSR, the 118th OAP REB became part of the Ukrainian Air Force. At the beginning of 1992, he had 30 pieces. Yak-28PP. But by this time the plane was already hopelessly outdated, and therefore was among the first contenders for decommissioning. In December 1994, the regiment was disbanded. Of the 22 yaks that remained at that time, 20 were disposed of, and two flew to the Ovruch airfield for storage.
          In Russia, the Yak-28PP were removed from service a year earlier. Some of them are still in conservation at the aircraft repair plant No. 26 in the town of Pushkin, Leningrad Region.
          1. 0
            July 5 2021
            Quote: Black Lotos
            But the plane was already hopelessly outdated by this time.

            I agree, although it was outdated much earlier and the jamming stations were rather primitive.
    3. +2
      July 1 2021
      They are forgiven for a woman minister, I understand that it is impossible to divide by m / f, but CANNOT DEFENSE MINISTER WOMAN
    4. 0
      July 1 2021
      With a high probability"! good
    5. 0
      July 2 2021
      and became the Flying Dutchman
  2. +9
    July 1 2021
    Blind, deaf ... next time he will pretend to be dead when asked "What are you doing here? The movie has already ended ..." (c)
    On the good, the Chinese have something to think about for such guests in the South China Sea.
    1. 0
      July 1 2021

      Canecat (Canecat)
      Today, 09: 59
      NEW
      +3
      Blind, deaf ... next time he will pretend to be dead when asked "What are you doing here? The movie has already ended ..." (c)
      On the good, the Chinese have something to think about for such guests in the South China Sea.
      I believe that it will not rust after the Chinese, but all different merikatos, and its tobaccos should really be brainwashed once again.
      "After being hit in the head by a bullet, I spread my brains out" wink
  3. +8
    July 1 2021
    as a result, the frigate's systems were suppressed and could no longer perform their functions.
    It would be nice if after that the systems were only "for replacement". So he flew over the sea ... and everyone got away for factory repairs. Dreams, tram-tararam. But I want this result to be achieved.
    1. +7
      July 1 2021
      Quote: NDR-791
      Dreams, tram-tararam. But I want to ...

      And there is such a thing. EMP disables all electronics ... the question is how much such ships are protected from the consequences of the use of nuclear weapons, one of the damaging factors of which is EMP.
    2. -1
      July 1 2021
      Quote: NDR-791
      It would be nice if after that the systems went only "for replacement"

      Ага.
      Only you can accidentally burn something for yourself.
  4. +3
    July 1 2021
    All this is certainly awkward - but judging by the development of events, it will only get worse. Here we put the heels of NATO frigates will take a straight line to Sevastopol, stating that they are going there at the invitation of the type of the legitimate owner - Tsegabonia. And do not fold. Our actions?
    1. +13
      July 1 2021
      Shoot to kill. And do not care about the consequences.
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      1. +5
        July 1 2021
        We immediately raise flags over the sofas and board the enemy comments! We turn around and give a powerful salvo with the sides of the minuses to all who are against! Then we finish them off with incendiary patriotic memes and videos from the Peculiarities of the National Fishing. They get a negative rating and slowly sink, surrounded by a glow of sarcasm ...
        1. 0
          July 4 2021
          Quote: Moskovit
          We immediately raise flags over the sofas and board the enemy comments!

          combat sofas, unfortunately, the tendency for the prevalence of emotions over the mind.
          thanks for the comparative analysis of the discussion of the topic laughing
      2. +2
        July 2 2021
        Quote: Olddetractor
        Everything goes on as usual. Our actions - read and comment))

        Well said! I support!
    3. +6
      July 1 2021
      Quote: paul3390
      All this is certainly awkward - but judging by the development of events, it will only get worse. Here we put the heels of NATO frigates will take a straight line to Sevastopol, stating that they are going there at the invitation of the type of the legitimate owner - Tsegabonia. And do not fold. Our actions?

      Send them to Balaklava. There are many British and French ships parked at the bottom. Crimea has a bad effect on the buoyancy of Euro-fascist ships.
      1. -15
        July 1 2021
        Do you propose to take an excursion into history?
        In some cases, this is undesirable. For extremely unpleasant facts may come to light.
        For example, it turns out that Crimea has a bad effect on the buoyancy of not only Euro-fascist ships, but also Russian ones.
        Somehow I do not want to remember how many times the Black Sea fleet was drowned by Russia with its own hand.
        In 1711, under the terms of peace with the Ottoman Port ...
        In 1854, under pressure from the Anglo-French fleet ...
        In 1918, by order of Lenin ...
        It was lucky only in 1808, when the Black Sea fleet was not drowned, but simply capitulated to the British.
        So sometimes it is better to forget rather than remember.
        1. +15
          July 1 2021
          Well, so our ships went to the bottom by order and without crews. The Anglo-French fleet went to the bottom of the Balaklava Bay together with the crews of the ships. am
          1. -12
            July 1 2021
            The mention of crews is cool.
            But the speech in the commentary, if I am not mistaken, was about British and French ships at the bottom of the Black Sea without mentioning the crews?
            So can we count their number? Ships? Piece by piece? And compare with Russian indicators?
            1. +1
              July 1 2021
              Google the Balaklava storm during the Crimean War.
            2. 0
              July 11 2021
              Better to count a single salvo of Balls, Calibers and Bastions in terms of the total staffs of the NATO fleets - there will still be no sense, but maybe a concept will appear?
        2. 0
          July 1 2021
          Quote: Cosm22
          In 1711, under the terms of peace with the Ottoman Port ...
          In 1854, under pressure from the Anglo-French fleet ...
          In 1918, by order of Lenin ...
          It was lucky only in 1808, when the Black Sea fleet was not drowned, but simply capitulated to the British.
          So sometimes it is better to forget rather than remember.

          dug for a long time? What about the list of victories for comparison?
          1. -13
            July 1 2021
            With certain skills of working on the Web, infa of this kind is issued by a search engine within 10-15 seconds. Share skills?
            Finding the list of victories will take the same amount of time. But are you sure you need to do this? The problem is that this list will be much shorter. Maybe not worth it?
            1. +4
              July 1 2021
              Quote: Cosm22
              The problem is that this list will be much shorter. Maybe not worth it?

              worth it, please announce the list of Black Sea victories
              1. -14
                July 1 2021
                Judging by the state awards for sailors, only the actions of Nakhimov in 1853 and the landing of Ushakov are worthy of mention. For some reason, the rest of the victories are mentioned in passing in the annals of Russian history. In any case, they are not immortalized by their proper names.
                For the sake of fairness, it should be noted that I did not give the first list in full.
                In any case, the second list does not refute my conclusion that “Crimea has a bad effect on the buoyancy of not only Euro-fascist ships, but also Russian ones”.
                1. +8
                  July 1 2021
                  The Russo-Turkish War of 1787-1791, Ushakov's Mediterranean campaign of 1798-1800, the Russo-Turkish War of 1806-1812, the Russo-Turkish War of 1828-1829 and he also took part in the Second World War, landing operations, etc.
        3. 0
          July 1 2021
          My neighboring streets are called Balaklava, Odessa, Inkerman, Alma. The Australians are proud of their victory.
      2. 0
        July 4 2021
        Quote: Bearded
        There are many British and French ships parked at the bottom. Crimea has a bad effect on the buoyancy of Euro-fascist ships.

        Rather, under Balaklava. They died outside the bay.
        The victims of that storm, which sank eleven ships of the Anglo-French squadron, and more than 500 people.
        About "a lot of parked" .. in the cradle of EPRON there are very few remains.
        From the latter, when they found the remains of the Black Prince, the remains were
        fragments of a plate from the captain's service, raised from the bottom of the sea, the emblem of the ship-owner company to which the "Black Prince" belonged was discovered. Cannonballs and remains of medical equipment were also found.

        most of the remains were washed ashore by that storm. Cossack patrols collected a good catch.
        Most ships sunk elsewhere
        In the Sevastopol Bay, a total of 75 warships and vessels, as well as 16 auxiliary, including schooners, were at the bottom.
    4. +1
      July 1 2021
      And do not fold. Our actions?
      I would skip into the bay and there already lock this heel of frigates. Then captivity, internment, ships for scrap
    5. bar
      -1
      July 1 2021
      Quote: paul3390
      Here we put the heels of NATO frigates will take a straight line to Sevastopol, stating that they are going there at the invitation of the type of the legitimate owner - Tsegabonia. And do not fold. Our actions?

      Our commander-in-chief already answered this question on the air yesterday. We will heat. Because of the drowned pelvis, no one will start a world war.
    6. 0
      July 2 2021
      They probably gathered at the "Ball"! Take them guys .. there is a lot of space at the bottom .. lol
    7. 0
      July 2 2021
      it will be enough to have one, but quickly and rigidly drowned ... it is interesting, but can the S-400 work on surface targets? in principle, it should even be able to
  5. +4
    July 1 2021
    If that's how it was, then it's funny ... feel
    And "Tommy" couldn't have been that way (would it be more impressive)?
  6. +11
    July 1 2021
    as a result of the actions of the Russian aviation, the electronic equipment of the frigate was out of order
    If we were quietly hanging out on the Dutch coast, and did not climb where they were not asked, then the electronic equipment would work properly. Probably not paid for roaming to the Russian side.
    1. 0
      July 1 2021
      Quote: rotmistr60
      If we were quietly hanging out on the Dutch coast, and did not climb where they were not asked, then the electronic equipment would work properly.

      I also don’t understand what carried them so far. It has been a long time since you have seen a Dutch sailor on ships, a rarity. They sit quietly in the bar, smoke dope, drink beer and eat shawarma.
  7. +10
    July 1 2021
    Or maybe nothing went wrong. And the statement is disinformation. As an option
    1. +2
      July 1 2021
      Quote: Locos
      Or maybe nothing went wrong

      They wrote. that there were violations with communication and nothing else in particular
    2. -2
      July 1 2021
      Quote: Locos
      Or maybe nothing went wrong. And the statement is disinformation. As an option

      Naturally, you have to say something in order to justify the sluggishness, they say, yes we are, yes shchaz, but you understand the equipment, but that's how we are, if anything .. lol
    3. 0
      July 11 2021
      Maybe it did not work, but if the satellite gives that: "Your place is Kharkov ...
  8. +2
    July 1 2021
    I don't think the Dutch have been drowned out,
    it is possible that another electronic warfare system was triggered, introducing errors in the determination of coordinates by the satellite.
    1. +4
      July 1 2021
      Quote: yehat2
      I don't think the Dutch have been drowned out,

      In the Crimea, there is a rather impressive EW grouping, there are only Murmansk-BN complexes deployed on Fiolent in the amount of three.
      1. +1
        July 1 2021
        which does not contradict my version at all.
        Or if tomatoes are grown in Crimea, would they also be thrown into a destroyer?
      2. 0
        July 1 2021
        Is it a military secret on the Internet?
  9. +2
    July 1 2021
    The Dutch naval officers are in such trouble. They stocked up on antidepressants in Rotterdam. They stopped, smoked and went on, or maybe they didn’t go anywhere. They just smoke.
    1. +1
      July 1 2021
      They don't smoke, they rub their heels. Salom. In Odessa, we stocked up to skip faster.
    2. +5
      July 1 2021
      Quote: tralflot1832
      They stopped for a smoke and went on, or maybe they didn't go anywhere. They just smoke.

      We stopped, smoked and went on, and did not understand how they crawled into the Russian waters.
      In general, in Holland, good "nonsense" is legally sold. Especially zaborist "Kashgar hemp" and "Afghan" (not to be confused with "Afghan"). Well, if they sniffed the "path", then it is obvious that they did not fly ashore, there would be a good monument on Fiolent.
      1. +1
        July 1 2021
        Crimean graphitists, Dutch sailors would say a big human thanks, if they would put their corvette on the mooring on the shore.
        1. 0
          July 1 2021
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Crimean graphitists, Dutch sailors would say a big human thanks

          And how many "metalworkers" of copper would have raked!
          1. +1
            July 1 2021
            I myself would go on an expedition to get copper. Metal has risen in price. drinks
            1. +1
              July 1 2021
              Quote: tralflot1832
              I myself would go on an expedition to get copper. Metal has risen in price.

              In the queue, in the queue please! you are not the first.
  10. +2
    July 1 2021
    The Chinese scoff at NATO in the press
    1. +4
      July 1 2021
      The Chinese await a Dutch frigate in the British Augs off their coast. Apparently, they are preparing their own answer - hello.
  11. +6
    July 1 2021
    Be that as it may, in a real combat situation, the aircraft is unlikely to fly up to the ship within a line-of-sight distance. And in the over-the-horizon range, the onboard electronic warfare will not play against the ship. It is needed to suppress incoming UR.
    1. +3
      July 1 2021
      Quote: Yrec
      Be that as it may, in a real combat situation, the aircraft is unlikely to fly up to the ship within a line-of-sight distance. And in the over-the-horizon range, the onboard electronic warfare will not play against the ship. It is needed to suppress incoming UR.

      this is in the process of an OBD, but in this situation it has the right to fly up, and when a foreign ship invades, the plane also flies over its territory
    2. +2
      July 1 2021
      Suppressed them by CD and? What should they do next? To swim back, there is nowhere, such shelling is obviously a war and it was possible for nuclear weapons to be carried out by NATO ...
  12. +4
    July 1 2021
    "Khibiny and Donald Cook" - the Chinese version of the powerful "analyst" Polonskylaughing
  13. +1
    July 1 2021
    The Chinese author (and we can be a Russian translator) of course lied slightly. No plane will be able to drown out the ship's systems, the energy is stupidly different, by orders of magnitude different.
    And from the shore - I willingly believe.

    There is, however, another aspect, they recorded all our radiation, now they will correct their electronic warfare. Next time we may not succeed.
    1. +2
      July 1 2021
      The news feed on the gadget of the inhabitants of the Earth must be constantly updated. It's boring!
    2. +4
      July 1 2021
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      There is, however, another aspect, they recorded all our radiation, now they will correct their electronic warfare. Next time we may not succeed.

      Therefore, all this is nonsense of the Minister of Defense of the Netherlands. No one will just disclose their secrets for no reason. The command "to the bottom" would come, cut everything down, they would not even have time to gasp!

      And all these statements are only in order to further accuse Russia of "disproportionate and unprofessional behavior." Holland, oddly enough, has become at the forefront of anti-Russian policy in Brussels. They somehow need to back up their actions with facts about the "aggressiveness of Russia."
  14. 0
    July 1 2021
    The Dutch military department, shortly after the incident, announced that as a result of the actions of the Russian aviation, the frigate's electronic equipment was out of order.
    We got so bad that even the electronics shorted! laughing
  15. 0
    July 1 2021
    The Dutch military department, shortly after the incident, announced that as a result of the actions of the Russian aviation, the frigate's electronic equipment was out of order.

    This is where they said this? This is the first time I hear it.
    1. +3
      July 1 2021
      Read:

      https://topwar.ru/184537-minoborony-niderlandov-obvinilo-aviaciju-rossii-v-imitacii-atak-na-fregat-evertsen-v-chernom-more.html
      1. +2
        July 1 2021
        I read it. I even found it in the original, with Google translation. In general, if I understand Dutch correctly, they claim that there was interference with electronic equipment. "Out of order" - they did not say that. If you are interested, you can translate it yourself: https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nieuws/2021/06/29/russische-gevechtsvliegen-veroorzaken-onveilige-situaties-bij-zr.ms.-evertsen
    2. +2
      July 1 2021
      Another bike, sweet as honey.
  16. +1
    July 1 2021
    But in this case, the Dutch frigate acted as another instrument of provocation.

    Let's just say - "kam ikaze" by order of the Sahib "to fight to the last Dutchman."
  17. +6
    July 1 2021
    Did NATO really believe that it is possible to simultaneously press Huawei and carry out hostile actions on frigates equipped with electronics on HiSilicon Semiconductors chips? !!!
  18. +3
    July 1 2021
    It looks like the time has come to confiscate the intruder ships, re-equip them for Russian weapons systems and forward into the Russian fleet!
    1. +1
      July 12 2021
      A very sensible thought!
      Such acquisitions could well enrich our technical thought.
  19. +5
    July 1 2021
    Would be lifted into the air
    An-12BK-PPS - a modified electronic warfare aircraft. Additionally, two stations "Siren-D" were installed, automatic machines ASO-2I with infrared jamming cartridges and automatic devices for ejection of dipoles APP-22 were dismantled. A total of 19 machines were in operation. In the future, the aircraft underwent revision - the number of Lilac stations was increased to four,
    , would extinguish everything around! Even a wired telephone network! good
    Flying power plant 4 alternators and 8 direct current generators.
    1. 0
      July 1 2021
      Quote: Stas Sv
      An-12BK-PPS ... would extinguish everything in the area!

      I would extinguish it, but it would interfere
      There are no more such, the electronic warfare equipment has been dismantled for antiquity, the aircraft have been converted into ordinary trucks.
      1. +2
        July 1 2021
        That fig knows, maybe they stayed in Russia for mother.
  20. +2
    July 1 2021
    A very short time after the provocation staged in the Black Sea by the British destroyer Defender, the "feat" of the British sailors for some reason decided to repeat their Dutch colleagues.
    True, true, the most interesting !!! And who sent them to the slaughter ??? Who GENERATED the command / order? Or again, I'm not me and my pen is not mine !!! The question is, who can provoke events so that the leaders of the national, NATO members, learn everything from the media ???
    Who is this ... "villain", not on a small scale, IF DONE?
    1. +1
      July 1 2021
      They do not admit, but we know perfectly well who ...
      1. +2
        July 1 2021
        We can and will become, the secret is obvious ... a lot, a lot of mess around, it's not easy to figure it out.
        1. +2
          July 1 2021
          Well, yes, and now they will trample back to China, as part of an air carrier group, there is something that they forgot ...
          1. +1
            July 12 2021
            Nothing, ours will be there too ...
            1. +2
              July 12 2021
              They will be present, but on the sidelines ...
              1. +1
                July 13 2021
                And it's good that on the sidelines: you can shoot signatures, and you can start 3WB instantly (and quickly clear the horizon!)
    2. Aag
      +1
      July 1 2021
      Quote: rocket757
      A very short time after the provocation staged in the Black Sea by the British destroyer Defender, the "feat" of the British sailors for some reason decided to repeat their Dutch colleagues.
      True, true, the most interesting !!! And who sent them to the slaughter ??? Who GENERATED the command / order? Or again, I'm not me and my pen is not mine !!! The question is, who can provoke events so that the leaders of the national, NATO members, learn everything from the media ???
      Who is this ... "villain", not on a small scale, IF DONE?

      You need to walk through the public transport stops in Amsterdam ...))
      1. +1
        July 1 2021
        There is still a street of "red light" !!! The very thing for such a cheating.
  21. 0
    July 1 2021
    Yes, they wrote off all the breakdowns over the past 5 years on Russian means of the RW. What is new then ...
  22. +3
    July 1 2021
    Russia did not even drop bombs, but actually raised his hands on it and were ready to surrender,

    - summarizes the author Sohu.


    Trolling counts ...
  23. +3
    July 1 2021
    Perhaps Sohu was overly enthusiastic as usual, but the fact remains - they blew quickly, squealed loudly. And the lads didn't even have to shoot. 2: 0 in our favor. The Red Banner Black Sea Fleet is not the Russian national football team. winked
  24. +3
    July 1 2021
    Chinese article is an example of the fact that the leading countries in NATO do not seem to care that by their confrontation with Russia they are playing into the hands of Russia ... the importance and respect of Russia from this only grows, the whole world is watching in the media space how one country confronts a huge global military block. If NATO thinks that they have friends around, then everything is just the opposite ... the Arab world, Africa and part of Asia simply hate some countries in the NATO bloc, even if their policies are restrained or forcedly friendly. Seeing a country like Russia, many will soon decide on their own adventures and then in NATO they will finally realize where the world is heading and what to expect from such development.
  25. +4
    July 1 2021
    Later, the Minister of Defense of the Netherlands Anna Beyleveld-Schouten made an offended statement that Russia, they say, had committed "dangerous and irresponsible" actions.

    And you, in fact, have forgotten in the Black Sea that you sailed here on a warship? The Netherlands does not have access to the Black Sea. Sit yourself exactly in the Baltic, and there will be no problems with the Russians.
    1. +5
      July 1 2021
      And they have nothing to do in the Baltic, let them sit in the North Sea ...
  26. +1
    July 1 2021
    Formally, irradiation from a close distance with a narrow beam of Bars, which is 4.5 kW, could cause malfunctions.
    But they will not tell us this in the near future.
  27. +1
    July 1 2021
    and what on the British "defender" electronic warfare did not work, since such super powerful it was necessary to immobilize these floating bots too !!!
  28. +2
    July 1 2021
    Duc could have come to Kerch with a friendly visit. The clean-up day has already passed, the rinok is open, the stairs to Mithridates have also been put in order. At the same time, the locals would gladly accept a broken tool as a gift - burnt-out drills, grinders, carriers, computers. On the farms, any trash from the ships of our former partners is in demand.
  29. +3
    July 1 2021
    and they were expecting that they would be greeted with bread and salt?
  30. +2
    July 1 2021
    Well, after all, they warned me, do not wear white! Otherwise: "Po pervomu sroku odentes heroyi, po pervomu sroku ..." fool
  31. +1
    July 1 2021
    Electronic warfare, EMP and UHF are the next generation weapons following hypersonic weapons.
    1. +2
      July 1 2021
      Quote: Ilya Aksyonov
      Electronic warfare, EMP and UHF are the next generation weapons following hypersonic weapons.

      It was not for nothing that Putin was hinting about new physical principles in defense weapons, etc.
      They do it, but they rarely do it right. Let NATO members scratch their heads with their trillion dollar military budget. soldier
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  33. 0
    July 1 2021
    "Unexpectedly, the Dutch frigate was so powerless against the Russian electronic warfare systems."
    And they are here too. What about? The difference is not big!
  34. +3
    July 1 2021
    And yet, guys, we have such a cunning electronic warfare or something like that .. Rarely used, but this is the second complaint of NATO ships ..)))
    And I also remembered the bombing of Syria with cruise missiles, under Trump at the beginning .. Most of the milk, and so they calmed down .. They did not use it anymore.
    Something our Kulibins invented cunning and cheap for emergency cases.!.
  35. 0
    July 1 2021
    Well, it is not possible to post a normal comment with a suitable illustration (they do not give it) and there are simply not enough other words. BUT PIE WITH PAPUES is still no more terrible threat to us than their Port Wine frigate or Dutch cheese !!!!!
  36. +2
    July 1 2021
    The second case is already ..! All this is interesting all the same. They are applied pointwise and as a last resort. And the Netherlands had to teach a lesson to the impudent!
  37. 0
    July 1 2021
    What has he forgotten, poor fellow, in this direction! And he is rebellious looking for a storm, as if there is peace in the storm!
  38. 0
    July 1 2021
    It's just that ours put them Kaspersky at maximum speed, but 386 of them did not survive
  39. -4
    July 1 2021
    And as has already happened in the epic story about the destroyer Donald Cook, all 207 crew members of the Dutch frigate should, upon their return, immediately write off to the shore. Plus an appeal to psychologists, diapers and so on ...
    1. 0
      July 1 2021
      They will not write off, but they will no longer have offspring.
  40. +1
    July 1 2021
    Are the Russians at least aware of the fact that these systems were used, or is it a mystery for them too?
  41. 0
    July 1 2021
    I understand that. that the electronic warfare means did not work on the Defender, before they had to use fire and bombs? But they say that something about twenty planes hovered over the ship ... :)
  42. 0
    July 2 2021
    Well, changed course, excuse to quack? Oh, well, yes, we have everything that has no analogues.
  43. +1
    July 2 2021
    the crew did not quit, but washes and launches
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  45. 0
    July 2 2021
    Another "victory" of Russian electronic warfare systems over the laws of physics of wave processes
  46. 0
    July 5 2021
    article nonsense - but reality; The Russian Federation is demanding compensation from Britain for the fact that during the pursuit of the Defender, two Russian corvettes, Motor, and Impeccable, went out of action.
  47. -1
    July 6 2021
    And yet, it was necessary to heat!
  48. 0
    July 6 2021
    Perhaps it was worth launching a missile strike on the British. They had every right. Then rescue the survivors. Deliver them to the hospital, receive medical treatment, conduct an excursion to the bastions of Sevastopol, present heavier mementos, apologize "ah, sorry, we SORRY, an accident", "pronounce" a severe reprimand to the commander who struck the blow and cover all this as much as possible in the media.
    Then they would have thought 100 times to meddle or not yet.
  49. 0
    July 11 2021
    So the frigate, he did not even think that the propaganda of some structures in some countries would inflate this primitive situation so much. For lack of others.
    Ps. Electronic warfare, Zircons and others ... Well, you are just "like children." By the way, where is the first Zircon in service .. all plans are projects and so 10 years.
  50. 0
    August 7 2021
    Electronic warfare means are also possessed by Russian aircraft, which can, with their help, suppress the electronic systems of enemy ships, after which they can attack them practically without resistance.
    What kind of systems are these?
  51. 0
    August 19 2021
    "We saw how the systems on a Dutch Navy frigate were easily paralyzed by the Russian army."

    Oh really ? Have you seen it yourself?

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