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What is known about the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system

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Layout of the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system, exhibition in Kiev, June 2021, photo: mil.in.ua


Today, the air defense of Ukraine is not in the most combat-ready state, like all the armed forces of the country, which very hard survived the collapse of the USSR and the subsequent upheavals. In many ways, the means of air defense of Ukraine are still represented today by Soviet complexes, many of which were released during the years of the existence of the Soviet Union.

Kiev is currently working to rectify the situation. But it is extremely difficult to do this in the existing economic realities. The Ukrainian armed forces will have to update almost all the models of existing weapons, and this is, first of all, large financial costs, as well as the attraction of serious scientific and technical resources and skills, which were also partially lost after the collapse of the USSR.

In these conditions, Ukraine creates new models of weapons and equipment, which in many respects continue to be based on the Soviet legacy. In the existing realities, there is nothing wrong with this, even a certain continuity is demonstrated.

In 2021, at the exhibition in Kiev, for the first time, layouts of a new Ukrainian medium-range air defense system were shown. The complex should hit targets at a distance of up to 100 kilometers. This development is currently at the preliminary design stage (that is, at the very beginning of the design). But according to the demonstrated models, it is already possible to draw certain conclusions. At the same time, the three-coordinate surveillance radar, which will almost certainly be part of the new complex, already exists in metal.

What is known about the new project of the Ukrainian air defense system?


The layout of the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system being developed was shown in Kiev, where the international specialized exhibition “Weapon and security - 2021 "(Zbroya ta bezpeka - 2021). The exhibition presented materials on the new air defense system, which is being developed by the state enterprise "State Kiev Design Bureau" Luch ". The complex under development is currently at the preliminary design stage.


Rocket complex "Alder", photo: Ukrobronprom

In some Russian publications, the model of a promising air defense system is designated as SD-300, but in the Ukrainian media and on the websites of defense companies there is no index or designation for the model yet. At the exhibition, the layout was demonstrated simply under the designation ZRK SD ("ZRK SD").

Earlier, Oleg Korostelev, who holds the post of general designer of the Luch design bureau, told Ukrainian journalists that it would take about 2,5 years to create a Ukrainian medium-range air defense system. This could be followed by an order and delivery of complexes for armament to the troops. According to the forecasts of Oleg Korostelev, which he gave in the summer of 2020, the country had to spend about $ 30-50 million to create its own anti-aircraft missile system. A small amount by the standards of most Western countries.

According to Oleg Korostelev, many components of a promising medium-range air defense system have already been created. According to him, about 40-50 percent of the components have already passed the stage from development to full-fledged testing, including on other types of weapons and military equipment.

It is noteworthy that in the Ukrainian media, in particular on the website of the online edition "Ukrainian Militarist Portal", and at the exhibition itself, it was about the medium-range air defense system. At the same time, information is provided that the basis of the complex will be a guided missile of the high-precision MLRS "Alder", which has a flight range of more than 100 km, which will be modified and specially converted for the destruction of air targets.


Layout of the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system, exhibition in Kiev, June 2021, photo: mil.in.ua

"Alder" is a project of modernization of the Soviet 300-mm multiple launch rocket systems "Smerch" for the use of new corrected ammunition. It is known that the Luch missiles for this complex have a range of more than 100 km. In particular, at the end of 2019, the Alder-M missile with a flight range increased to 120 km was adopted by the Ukrainian army. The modernization of such missiles for solving air defense tasks makes the new Ukrainian air defense system a competitor to the S-300 complexes, which remain in service with the Ukrainian army.

It is reported that the Ukrainian anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) for the new air defense system received an active or passive homing head (GOS). Fortunately, the engineers of the state Kiev design bureau "Luch" have a wealth of experience in this area. Like the Republic of Belarus, Ukraine is actively working in the field of modernizing Soviet-made systems and weapons with subsequent deliveries to developing countries. Also, the defense industry of Ukraine is engaged in the maintenance and repair of Soviet equipment, competing with Russia in this area.

The Luch State Design Bureau previously developed a project for the modernization of the Soviet S-125 Pechora air defense system, which was put into service back in 1961. The renovation of the complex was originally carried out for Angola. The complex underwent a major modernization, and its missiles received a new active radar homing head. Similar GOS is planned to be installed on the missiles of the new Ukrainian medium-range air defense system.

Judging by the layout shown at the exhibition in Kiev, the air defense missile launcher is planned to be placed on the basis of a high cross-country chassis with an 8x8 wheel arrangement. Most likely, we are talking about military tractors of the Czech company "Tatra". At least visually, the car resembles the four-axle Tatra T815-7 model, which is widely used by the military in various versions.


Three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1, which can be part of the new air defense complex, photo: iskra.zp.ua

On the launcher of the demonstrated layout, there were four transport-launch containers for missiles. Externally, vertical launch containers resemble those used on the Soviet / Russian S-300P air defense systems. Specialists of the thematic Russian blog bmpd admit that cash PUs of Soviet production can be used in the complex.

It is reported that the new complex will be able to hit all types of air targets: UAVs, helicopters, aircraft, and other aerodynamic targets. Also declared the possibility of destruction of cruise and ballistic missiles. It is especially emphasized that the complex will be able to deal not only with air targets, but also hit ground and radio-contrast surface targets.

Three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1


Almost certainly, the anti-aircraft missile system will include a new Ukrainian three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1, which already exists in metal and has been tested. The first versions of this radar station were demonstrated back in 2014. The Iskra Research and Production Complex from Zaporozhye is responsible for the development of the radar.

The new station for detecting and tracking air targets is a further development of the 79K6 and 80K6 line of radars produced by the state-owned enterprise NPK Iskra. These radars were used in the Air Force of the Armed Forces and are well known to the Ukrainian military. At the same time, the 80K6KS1 radar has successfully passed state tests. The official website of the Zaporizhzhya enterprise reported this on June 10, 2021.


Three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1, which can be part of the new air defense complex, photo: iskra.zp.ua

Tests of the new radar lasted three months, according to the results of state tests, the commission recommended to adopt the 80K6KS1 radar into service and organize the serial production of the model. This surveillance radar is built on modern solid-state modules and a new element base using digital antenna array (DAR) technologies. Externally, the radar is a mobile system based on a semi-trailer that can be transported by standard army heavy wheeled vehicles (KrAZ, MAZ).

Known technical characteristics of the previous closest model of the radar 80K6K1. This radar of circular view (360 degrees) provided the detection and tracking of targets at low, medium and high altitudes. The maximum target detection range is up to 400 km, for tactical targets such as a fighter at an altitude of 10 km - 200–250 km. Radar operating limits: in elevation - 0 ... 35, 55 degrees; in height - up to 40 km, viewing period - 5, 10 seconds.

The radar is able to effectively identify and track air targets in the field of view, measure their speed and coordinates. The 80K6KS1 mobile three-coordinate radar is intended for use as part of anti-aircraft missile and radio-technical units of the air defense forces.

The main difference of this radar from the previous models of the 80K series is the placement of all radar equipment on one vehicle, which can significantly reduce the time for deploying / folding the radar to literally several minutes.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 4 July 2021 04: 19
    +9
    I wish the air defense of Ukraine to continue to be in its infancy ... I have not forgotten how they shot down my fellow countrymen on a civilian liner of the Siberia company.
    Ukraine cannot have modern weapons.
    1. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 4 July 2021 20: 35
      -4
      So they have it already modern, you can see from the rocket, the Americans are in a hurry.
      1. Aleksandr1971
        Aleksandr1971 6 July 2021 08: 20
        -1
        Precisely because the air defense of Ukraine is now in its infancy and I propose to bomb Ukraine many times. Bring it to the state of Hiroshima, Hamburg, Somalia, until the United States helped it build a modern missile defense system.

        But for some reason, the readers on the VO website for the most part are not supporters of such a solution to the Ukrainian problem?
  2. demiurg
    demiurg 4 July 2021 04: 41
    +7
    Japan, South Korea have been developing their air defense systems for decades, while purchasing some of the technologies. And Ukraine in 2.5 years from the preliminary project to the series, themselves.
    A reliable plan as a Swiss watch.
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 July 2021 07: 08
      +12
      In Ukraine, these developments are carried out by enterprises based on the still Soviet military-industrial complex. The same Iskra is still a Soviet enterprise that continues to work and has replaced Soviet products with modern developments, both new and modernized with a new element base.
      Similarly, Luch is also a Soviet enterprise.
      In Ukraine, the issues of high-tech weapons are more a matter of having money for mass production than technical issues of development.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 4 July 2021 08: 45
        0
        Quote: Avior
        In Ukraine, the issues of high-tech weapons are more a matter of having money for mass production than technical issues of development

        And the staff? Let them get money, a lot ... WILL THE money GET TO specialists and laboratories? From the leadership of this very "Ray"? Everything will resolve there. Well, I don't believe that all applied science in 404 is not funded from the word - at all, all funds are "absorbed" at the administration level, but there are some "oases", even in the defense industry, where the system works differently. wassat
      2. demiurg
        demiurg 4 July 2021 08: 51
        +4
        Do you have engineers, technologists, production workers with experience?
        RF has been idle for less than 15 years. And still, we still have a shortage of many specialists. All terms regularly creep to the right. B / is getting worse. There is a simple 30 years already. Although they covered the whole Ukraine with five-layer bucks, it takes 10-15-20 years for the results to appear.
        1. NIKN
          NIKN 4 July 2021 15: 06
          +1
          Quote: demiurg
          Though they covered the whole Ukraine with five-layer bucks

          I have no doubt that the minds have remained there and I am even ready to believe in a fairy tale that the funds will reach whoever is needed, but ... Is there a production of the element base? On whose components is it to be produced? So, this task cannot be solved by Ukraine on its own from the word at all, because it is not realistic to raise all the industries necessary for this. So only the preliminary project remains.
          1. Martian
            Martian 5 July 2021 10: 04
            -1
            If you don't know why write bullshit? KB "Luch" is quite capable of making such a missile. And there are specialists there and production. KB Luch is located on the territory of KiAPO Artem, a serial Soviet plant for the production of air-to-air missiles. I myself worked there and drank more than one glass of vodka with Oleg Korostelev ... I am sorry that such specialists are now working in Ukraine. And Putin is to blame for not rushing to kill the Bandera supporters in time. Now we got the enemy at hand ...
        2. Holgerton
          Holgerton 4 July 2021 18: 20
          0
          A large number of specialists for the deployment of serial production was required in the days of the USSR, when CNC machines were rather piece goods, and a slide rule replaced the calculator.
          Now, just the same, everything depends on money, or rather, on machines and equipment that can be bought for this money. Hordes of technologists and production workers (turners, welders, assemblers, locksmiths) at the moment is an impermissible luxury and archaism, and this is perfectly visible even in the example of the United States and China, not like Russia.
          Basically, it all comes down to finding a small number of good engineers who own CAD, and "maintenance personnel" for the machines. For $ 100-200 thousand, you can purchase a good German / Turkish / Japanese multi-axis machining center, which will do everything better and faster than a person, while possessing many tools and functions that allow you to perform several technological processes at once. Of course, you cannot do without specialists at all, since there are operations that can be performed exclusively manually, but nevertheless.

          If we follow your point of view, then modern Russia would never have reached the current rates of development and production of many types of weapons, and the production of the rest would have been carried out with delays and a significant increase in cost, given the degraded system of both professional and higher education.
          Now an ordinary student of those. A university with ANSYS / COMSOL / SolidWorks / MATLAB installed on a PC can carry out all the necessary calculations in a couple of weeks, for which the developers of the Su-27 or S-300 took months or even years.
          1. demiurg
            demiurg 5 July 2021 13: 56
            +1
            I would take off my hands to all these designers, with excellent knowledge of CAD, but not versed in the issue.
            Designed by such a gifted CAD plant where I work. There is no way to get to the lamps or sprinklers without acrobatic sketches. Young creative technologists arranged the machines so that the loader from the machine to the machine goes through the floor of the workshop.
            I'm not even talking about purely engineering jambs, when the bumpers on the gates are mounted deeper than the level of the wall sheathed with profiled sheet. One clever guy forgot to close up the gap near the windows in the drawings, the second clever guy arranged the equipment so that now this gap will be repaired by industrial climbers.
            CAD will help a person with experience to develop design documentation faster. She will not add experience.
          2. Mr.dimadroll
            Mr.dimadroll 13 September 2021 08: 02
            0
            Hordes of technologists and production workers (turners, welders, assemblers, locksmiths) at the moment is an impermissible luxury and archaism, and this is perfectly visible even in the example of the United States and China, not like Russia.


            There was an impression, very stable, that you are not very familiar with the process of development and subsequent production of not only components or whole products.
            1. Holgerton
              Holgerton 13 September 2021 11: 20
              0
              Well, since I got the impression, give examples on the basis of what it formed, or rather find me the director of the enterprise who will say that they can afford to hire 500/600/1000 PCB assemblers, and the chief technologist who will say that 500 assemblers work more efficient than two automated production lines and ~ 40-45 people of operators / installers who will fix defective boards returned after TC. Likewise for locksmiths, turners, etc.
              Without argumentation, your impression - empty ringing.
              1. Mr.dimadroll
                Mr.dimadroll 13 September 2021 12: 11
                0
                Without argumentation, your impression is an empty ringing.

                Yes, for God's sake, let this be an empty ringing for you, but for me it only proved to be true.
                Have a nice day.
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  3. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 05: 39
    +7
    Hmm.
    In Ukraine, even under the USSR, there was an almost complete cycle in all positions - rocket fuel, rocket engines, GOS, onboard control systems, large radars, large trucks, their own semiconductors (the best in the Union) and so on, so on, so forth ...
    It’s good (for us) if they don’t have enough pennies, otherwise they can get lost. And what of the components they themselves do not know how to buy, they are not under sanctions. If not Europe / America, the Byalorus brothers will help.
  4. Monar
    Monar 4 July 2021 06: 12
    +4
    Experts, please clarify !!! I read it twice. Didn't get it. I didn't seem to drink today ...
    The rocket SZO "Alder-M" is taken. Albeit modernized. A new seeker from the S-125 "Pechora" is screwed to it. All this is shoved into a container from the S-300. And it turns out ...
    Okay. The paths of the gloomy teutonic Ukrainian genius are covered with darkness. But won't this "pencil" break during intensive maneuvering during the pursuit of the target? Or 3-4 missiles will be crammed into one container at once. Then it is logical. Multiple launch rocket system.
    1. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 4 July 2021 06: 48
      -3
      intensive maneuvering of the air defense missile system is not foreseen, it would seem. Converging on counter courses does not require this, air-to-air does it. But this is my opinion of an amateur, zoshorenny on ICBMs))
      1. Monar
        Monar 4 July 2021 07: 03
        +6
        "48Н6Е2 has a maximum overload limit of 35 units." She also needs to catch up with the same F-15,16. And oh, how well they can change the course. :)
      2. Avior
        Avior 4 July 2021 07: 17
        +3
        No, this is also an important characteristic of the air defense missile system, for increasing the accuracy of the Rocket, and when performing anti-aircraft evasion maneuvers by the aircraft.
        1. Nikon O'Conor
          Nikon O'Conor 4 July 2021 09: 30
          0
          Accepted! Thanks for the clarification.
    2. Avior
      Avior 4 July 2021 07: 14
      +4
      Alder, as far as I understand, was originally designed for intensive maneuvering to improve accuracy - it provides gas-dynamic control.
      MLRS is not quite the correct definition for high-precision guided missiles, their connection with MLRS is that they use the same launchers, but no one fires them in a salvo across the area.
      1. Monar
        Monar 4 July 2021 08: 08
        0
        Why do SZO missiles need intensive maneuvering? Their goal is not even F1 cars.
        but no one lets them in in one gulp across the square.
        Why not? There are 10 hectares of enemy. The far right corner is an officer's toilet. 300 meters to the left in the lowland of the fuel trucks. A little further north is the kitchen. Here is the guard company. Nearby are a couple of turntables. And the General himself is on that hill. Looks through binoculars.
        A volley across the area. With the priority of the density of falling into separate squares. And no one will have time to scatter.
        Fantastic, of course. :) But this has nothing to do with air defense missiles. From the word at all. And if the longitudinal overload should be held by all missiles, then dozens of the same transverse overload is purely the prerogative of air defense and aviation explosives.
        1. Avior
          Avior 4 July 2021 08: 31
          +3
          An area salvo with guided missiles - nonsense
          For this, there are relatively inexpensive uncontrolled PCDOs.
          Controlled shoot at a specific target
          As for maneuverability, it increases the accuracy of guided missiles.
          1. Monar
            Monar 4 July 2021 09: 18
            +2
            An area salvo with guided missiles - nonsense
            I gave you an example. Area impact. General's pumpkin is being demolished. and all her accompaniment. In one gulp.
            Well, again. Square-nested. Places of concentration. A stack of missiles disintegrates in a checkerboard pattern. But already along the line of fortification, they also bang with a "dotted line".
            But again I will repeat myself. SZO missile bodies were created for other tasks. They are not for air defenses with their lateral loads.
            1. Jacket in stock
              Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 09: 40
              -4
              Quote: Monar
              SZO missile bodies were created for other tasks. They are not for air defenses with their lateral loads.

              Don't you know that our Grad was made from a German anti-aircraft missile?
              And so yes, they have different overloads. However, take a look at the photo of Alder, you see a belt made of transverse jet engines of control?
              1. Monar
                Monar 4 July 2021 10: 03
                +1
                Don't you know that our Grad was made from a German anti-aircraft missile?
                Yeah. And Kalash from Schmeiser and MiG-21 from Me. 262. And Musk licked his cars with La Jamais Contente. And the gyro scooter is generally the chariot of the ancient Greeks. Only without the horses.
                However, look at the photo of Alder, you see a belt made of transverse jet control engines?
                Yeah. I see. Four white dots near the nose cone.
                Yes, even put the RD-170 there. Well, the rocket was not originally designed for such lateral loads. From the word at all.
                1. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 10: 16
                  -3
                  At the beginning of 1944, in the missile center in Peenemünde, where the famous "V-2" was created, they began to create anti-aircraft missiles. ...
                  Typhoons "were classic unguided missiles - the same as those that were used in the Soviet Union from aircraft in the second half of the 1930s, only of a larger caliber: 100 millimeters. They were of two types, with liquid and solid propellant engines, had a warhead weighing 700 grams and tail fins. These small wings were deflected one degree from the longitudinal axis of the rocket and gave it a spin in flight, like a bullet fired from a rifled weapon. Due to this, the altitude of the Typhoon flight was significant - 13-15 kilometers, ... Soviet designers and took advantage of the developments of the German rocketry. The revision of the Typhoons was divided between two design bureaus: the liquid-fueled versions were taken up by Sergey Korolev's SKB (which soon abandoned this topic, concentrating on heavier missiles), and solid-propellant - at the State Specialized Research Institute-642 ...
                  It was there that the Typhoons were brought to mind, having created by the end of 1956 the Strizh anti-aircraft system, the main combat force of which was the RZS-115 unguided missiles.
                  But during tests at the Donguz test site in the first half of 1957, the Swifts showed very modest results ...
                  In the same 1956, when the anti-aircraft version was just preparing for testing, NII-642 began work on converting the RZS-115 into a high-explosive fragmentation ammunition for ground use.
                  By 1956, the multiple launch rocket systems in service no longer met modern combat requirements. ...
                  These requirements were met by the latest version of the Strizh system, whose firing range reached 22,7 km, and each salvo consisted of 30 shells. It only remained to increase the weight of the warhead,
                  1. Monar
                    Monar 4 July 2021 11: 08
                    +1
                    AND? I now claim that the "Grad" was made from
                    which in the Soviet Union began to be used from aircraft in the second half of the 1930s
                    ... Anyway, from the first Chinese missiles of a forgotten century.
                    Just don't tell anyone. Drawing technology (or whatever it is correctly called) long thin pipes. For the missile body. Can you tell me where the copy comes from?
                2. Jacket in stock
                  Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 10: 21
                  -4
                  Quote: Monar
                  Yes, even put the RD-170 there. Well, the rocket was not originally designed for such lateral loads. From the word at all.

                  Initially, yes.
                  And what prevents the designers from modifying the rocket?
                  1. Monar
                    Monar 4 July 2021 11: 22
                    +3
                    Sopromat. Take A4 sheet. Roll up a tube. Fix it with tape. Stand upright. And from above, start concealing a pack of CD-DVDs. Be amazed at the height of the stack that this tube can handle (this is a typical rocket design that does not require high speed maneuvers). And if you slightly bend this paper cylinder from the side with your finger, then everything will collapse at once. Come on, upgrade that cylinder. That he would withstand your pressing.
                    You can, of course, put vertical and transverse stiffeners. But then in an empty cylinder. And the real rocket inside is packed to the eyeballs. There is no free space.
                    1. Jacket in stock
                      Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 13: 09
                      -2
                      Quote: Monar
                      You can, of course, put vertical and transverse stiffeners. But then in an empty cylinder. And the real rocket inside is packed to the eyeballs. There is no free space.

                      Those. in other missiles, there is usually a place for strengthening the hull, but this particular place is no longer left.
                      Do you believe it yourself?
                      1. Monar
                        Monar 4 July 2021 16: 02
                        +1
                        Those. in other missiles, the place to reinforce the hull is usually
                        But from this place in more detail. What is this other rocket?
            2. Avior
              Avior 4 July 2021 10: 54
              +1
              Apparently, you do not quite correctly understand the impact on the area
              In the situation you described, these are strikes on specific point targets.
              And the more accurately the missile arrives at a specific target, the higher the probability of its destruction.
              The presence of gas-dynamic rudders - they can be seen in the photo - suggests intensive maneuvering and a fairly high overload capacity of the rocket
              1. Monar
                Monar 4 July 2021 11: 33
                +1
                Again 25 ... Well, the high-precision squares should be decomposed by area. In one volley. And if there is also a simultaneous detonation ...
                Tu you and high-precision. And a salvo. And across the squares.
  5. Revolver
    Revolver 4 July 2021 06: 19
    -3
    Yes they are. They can do everything. They can even cut the Death Star down. They even dug the Black Sea, and dumped the excavated soil where the Crimea turned out, so the Crimea must be Ukrainian. wassat
  6. Toucan
    Toucan 4 July 2021 06: 28
    +5
    anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) for the new air defense system received an active or passive homing head

    Is the author exactly writing about an anti-aircraft missile? what
    Maybe an active or semi-active radar?
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 09: 42
      -3
      Quote: Tucan
      Can it be active or semi-active radar?

      Well, in addition to radar, there are also optical and IR, so they are passive.
      1. Toucan
        Toucan 4 July 2021 13: 02
        +3
        Well, in addition to radar, there are also optical and IR, so they are passive.

        There are also infrared, but not medium and long-range air defense systems. No.
  7. alex neym_2
    alex neym_2 4 July 2021 06: 50
    +3
    Every day, every other day - the latest projects for the processing of SOVIET (obsolete) weapons! Where do such ideas come from? It can be seen that there are not enough new, young personnel for new ones (in Poland, strawberries are harvested)
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 4 July 2021 09: 57
      +1
      Quote: aleks neym_2
      Every day, every other day - the latest projects for the processing of SOVIET (obsolete) weapons! Where do such ideas come from?

      They crawl out from there, from where in Soviet times, from numerous research institutes and design bureaus, which were then leading in their industry in the USSR.
      Yes, and they are not so outdated, no matter how much we would like it, they are quite on the level. And taking into account the access to good components and assistance from Western firms, we still would not have had to catch up.
  8. Dart2027
    Dart2027 4 July 2021 06: 53
    -5
    What is known about the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system? The fact that he is not and will not be.
  9. mark1
    mark1 4 July 2021 07: 01
    +9
    Iran could, why not Ukraine? The other side of the issue worries - we, at least our leadership, seem to be in a state of generating some kind of pink saliva on the theme of the brotherly (practically one) people, which cannot be bullied and passively watch how the enemy grows and strengthens both in moral and technical plan. In addition to eternal hemorrhoids, gentlemen, we risk getting a savory hit in the face (to defeat us, we will not be defeated without internal betrayal, but we can get hurt in the face). The Novorossiya project must be revived and brought to the desired result as soon as possible. All "zrobitchane" who have to pass a loyalty test with us (40-70 percent can most likely be departed)
    1. Slobodskoy
      Slobodskoy 4 July 2021 07: 25
      -2
      "Zarobitians" almost never go to Russia; those who want to earn money go to Europe.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 4 July 2021 10: 37
        +3
        And who told you this?))) I live in Ukraine, I observe the process up close. Those who went to work in Russia still go, even from zapukra)))
        1. Slobodskoy
          Slobodskoy 4 July 2021 14: 05
          -4
          I also live in Ukraine and I know for sure that fewer and fewer people go to Russia to work, they try to get to Europe.
          1. Ramzaj99
            Ramzaj99 4 July 2021 17: 26
            +2
            Quote: Slobodskoy
            and I know for sure that less and less people go to Russia to work,

            Meanwhile, Tajiks and Uzbeks disappeared from the construction sites, and Ukrainians replaced them. Recently I had to travel around construction sites and made a conclusion for myself. On construction sites of large houses 9-15 floors, 60-70 percent of the builders are Ukrainians. Road construction 95% Armenians.
            1. Slobodskoy
              Slobodskoy 4 July 2021 20: 01
              -5
              The bulk of Ukrainians who want to earn extra money today go to Europe, Poland, the Czech Republic and beyond.
    2. Roman Efremov
      Roman Efremov 4 July 2021 09: 03
      -4
      The Novorossiya project should be the result of a project for the collapse and destruction of the state of Ukraine. The sequel, so to speak.
      And we have so many Zrobitans that you cannot check all of them, and the majority are already citizens of Russia. And by what criteria to check - there Rotaru has not been in Crimea for 7 years, and she has a dacha there. Waiting?
      1. Slobodskoy
        Slobodskoy 4 July 2021 10: 12
        -9
        Zarobitchan you have less and less.
        1. Roman Efremov
          Roman Efremov 4 July 2021 11: 27
          +2
          And where did they disappear, in your opinion?
          1. Slobodskoy
            Slobodskoy 4 July 2021 14: 06
            -6
            They are trying to get to Europe.
      2. Black lotos
        Black lotos 4 July 2021 21: 42
        -2
        Quote: Roman Efremov
        And we have so many Zrobitans that you cannot check all of them, and the majority are already citizens of Russia. And by what criteria to check - there Rotaru has not been in Crimea for 7 years, and she has a dacha there. Waiting?

        and what else to do ... he will go to the country house and get a term in Ukraine. (though you can do it through Perekop, but there will be image losses all over the media)
        so many do not go to Crimea for the same reason as Rotaru.
        About the migrant workers. Both are right. Ukrainians from LDNR preach Russia as a place of work.
        Ukrainians from the rest of Ukraine mostly prefer the EU.
        Both those and other Ukrainians for the FMS of the Russian Federation.
  10. Prisoner
    Prisoner 4 July 2021 07: 24
    +1
    What can you say here? Well done! Nice layout. Our boys in technical modeling clubs do almost the same, only for less. laughing
  11. Luminman
    Luminman 4 July 2021 07: 54
    -4
    Quote: Slobodskoy
    who wants to make money goes to Europe.

    To clean the toilets?
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 July 2021 08: 33
      -2
      You seem to have stayed in the 90s. Time has changed a long time ago.
  12. V1er
    V1er 4 July 2021 08: 30
    0
    Is it realistic to develop an anti-aircraft missile based on MLRS? In the same place, completely different characteristics are needed.
    1. Monar
      Monar 4 July 2021 09: 25
      +2
      Well, why not? You can even develop an ICBM. Whether it will work is another question.
      Two legends warm my soul. This is a Ju-87 shot down from a mortar and a direct hit from a B-4 directly into the Tiger's turret. In theory, it is possible.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 5 July 2021 14: 53
        0
        Two legends warm my soul. This is a Ju-87 shot down from a mortar

        Why a legend? Well, not Ju-87, but Focke-Wulf, which I don't know. Sergeant Petr Petrovich Kalinin, squad leader of the 1st mortar company of the 41st Infantry Regiment of the 84th Infantry Division, shot down Focke-Wulf. From the premium -
        "... At that time, a German Focke-Wulf aircraft appeared over Comrade Kalinin's firing sector. Comrade Kalinin made the calculation and began firing his 82mm mortar. The third mine hit right on target, the enemy aircraft of the Focke-Wulf brand caught fire and crashed to the ground in the enemy's position.
        Sergeant Kalinin is worthy of the Order of the Red Banner of the Government.
        Regiment commander Lieutenant Colonel Belousov. October 3, 1942
        .

        Any weapon also needs a head and arms. And not according to theory, but according to calculation.
        1. Monar
          Monar 5 July 2021 17: 02
          0
          I am glad that the legend turned out to be true.
  13. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 4 July 2021 08: 59
    -1
    In such cases, Israel inflicts preventive strikes at the sites of development and production of weapons dangerous for it .........................
  14. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 4 July 2021 09: 42
    -6
    One thing is known: Ukraine is not capable of creating anything, only beautiful pictures. Only a few countries can create a normal air defense system, and Ukraine will not be included in this list at any time.
  15. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 4 July 2021 10: 35
    -5
    All you need to know about the new bandero SAM is that it is not there and will not be in the near foreseeable future))) Uv. author, the newest three-coordinate radar is an old Soviet development. Its production was already launched at NPO Iskra, but after the collapse of the Union, it stalled. And now. the latest Bandera development !!!))))
    1. Avior
      Avior 4 July 2021 10: 57
      +6
      There are no purely Soviet developments left on Iskra
      Either completely new, or modernized to a modern element base, even if their names have survived, consider that they are also actually new.
      1. TermNachTer
        TermNachTer 4 July 2021 12: 36
        -1
        Iskra does not have its own developments, because it is a plant that was greatly reduced after the collapse of the USSR. There are about 4000 thousand left - this is together with the guards, wipers and plumbers. The radar in question is a Soviet development, if sclerosis does not change me - 79K. Small changes in the element base, which is not very good. Because under the Union, the military representatives committed atrocities - the slightest deviation and the whole party went to the national economy. And now they are putting on Chinese semiconductors, they are already running and no one is worried.
        1. Yuri Vasilenko
          Yuri Vasilenko 4 July 2021 14: 03
          +1
          Nevertheless, modern Chinese semiconductors are much more reliable and much more functional than their counterparts from the USSR. And some things generally did not exist as a separate class in the USSR, but in China there are ...
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 4 July 2021 14: 41
            +1
            I wonder why Motor Sich buys Russian semiconductors and not Chinese ones? Probably because the Chinese are better? I won't tell you about Iskra, because I don't know for sure.
            1. Black lotos
              Black lotos 4 July 2021 21: 53
              -1
              Quote: TermNachTER
              Motor Sich buys Russian semiconductors,

              are there links to such information *?
              I would also believe the Belarusian (it was planned for Orshansky)
              there was still a freshly bought JSC "Semiconductor Plant" in Zaporozhye
              And why do MS have such schemes then ... everything can be bought from the Chinese without hemorrhoids. Well, RB has hemorrhoids now.
              1. TermNachTer
                TermNachTer 4 July 2021 22: 19
                +1
                There is a link, I work on "Motor". Not at the Procurement Office, but I know. Because the quality. I don't remember the plant, but somewhere in the suburbs.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 5 July 2021 06: 48
                  -1
                  And what exactly do they buy? The motor generally buys avionics in a finished product, and not with components at the element base level.
                  1. TermNachTer
                    TermNachTer 5 July 2021 11: 57
                    +1
                    Semiconductor products are being purchased, which I do not know specifically - not my work profile, I know that the plant is in Moscow and very strict requirements for the parameters of products. Aviation specification. The motor itself does some small things for engines and for helicopters. And repairs too.
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                      1. TermNachTer
                        TermNachTer 5 July 2021 12: 20
                        0
                        The 15th is not involved in aviation at all, he has purely auxiliary and supporting functions.
                    2. Black lotos
                      Black lotos 5 July 2021 16: 20
                      -1
                      Quote: TermNachTER
                      Semiconductor products are being purchased, which I do not know specifically - not my work profile, I know that the plant is in Moscow and very strict requirements for the parameters of products.

                      it is logical that in terms of deliveries, old proven suppliers are better than new ones that have not yet been tested. However, I wonder if fresh batches can be purchased even before 2016. And by the way, MCs can be bought wherever they want. But they don't tell you to sell. Directly
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        2. Avior
          Avior 4 July 2021 17: 13
          0
          Nothing remains of the Soviet era on Iskra, the entire element base is different. And not only Chinese, by the way.
          And as for the quality, then they were rejected in batches not from a good life and good quality of the element base
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 4 July 2021 20: 37
            +1
            What's new? The fact that 19Ж6 was called 36D6 - has it become new? Similarly, the radar, about which this article is said. New there, only Kuyev's bureaucrats.
  16. Nord11
    Nord11 4 July 2021 23: 50
    -1
    $ 40-50 million is this taking into account the theft of allocated funds or in the hope of widespread patriotism?
  17. lelik613
    lelik613 5 July 2021 07: 40
    0
    It's time to make the final decision on such developments.
  18. Bauer
    Bauer 5 July 2021 13: 21
    0
    "the project of modernization of the Soviet S-125" Pechora "air defense system, which was put into service back in 1961." - High tech! Breakthrough Great-Breed.
  19. Stepan S
    Stepan S 5 July 2021 14: 24
    0
    Today, the air defense of Ukraine is not in the most combat-ready state, like all the country's armed forces.

    Just don't tell the Ukrainians this. They will tear. They are convinced that they have the most advanced army and the best technology.
    But people who regularly attend arms exhibitions in Ukraine say that the same stands have been brought there unchanged for ten years. These are the realities. Something is being done, this is undoubtedly, but the financial and technological resources are far from the ones needed to create really high-quality equipment.
  20. iouris
    iouris 5 July 2021 16: 10
    0
    Is it there? Everything that is directly related to Ukraine is generally unreliable.
  21. Xamlain
    Xamlain 5 July 2021 23: 26
    0
    "The modernization of such missiles for solving air defense problems makes the new Ukrainian air defense system a competitor to the S-300 complexes" laughing smile wink - And even this antiques they have a model, it will remain a model. And when the gas is bypassed, then they will not be able to afford the models, pictures will show how with that miracle tank. So glory as a hero wassat fool
  22. Uncle Vanya Susanin
    Uncle Vanya Susanin 15 September 2021 19: 07
    0
    In these conditions, Ukraine creates new models of weapons and equipment, which in many respects continue to be based on the Soviet legacy. In the existing realities, there is nothing wrong with this, even a certain continuity is demonstrated.

    There would be nothing wrong with that if it were not for one nuance - decommunization !!!