What is known about the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system

Model of the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system, exhibition in Kyiv, June 2021, photo: mil.in.ua

Today, the air defense of Ukraine is not in the most combat-ready state, like all the armed forces of the country, which very hard survived the collapse of the USSR and subsequent upheavals. In many ways, the means of air defense of Ukraine are still represented today by Soviet systems, many of which were released during the years of the existence of the Soviet Union.

Kiev is currently working to rectify the situation. But it is extremely difficult to do this in the existing economic realities. The Ukrainian armed forces will have to update almost all the models of existing weapons, and this is, first of all, large financial costs, as well as the attraction of serious scientific and technical resources and skills, which were also partially lost after the collapse of the USSR.

Under these conditions, Ukraine is creating new models of weapons and equipment, which in many respects continue to be based on the Soviet legacy. In the existing realities, there is nothing wrong with this, even a certain continuity is demonstrated.

In 2021, at the exhibition in Kiev, for the first time, layouts of a new Ukrainian medium-range air defense system were shown. The complex should hit targets at a distance of up to 100 kilometers. This development is currently at the preliminary design stage (that is, at the very beginning of the design). But according to the demonstrated models, it is already possible to draw certain conclusions. At the same time, the three-coordinate surveillance radar, which will almost certainly be part of the new complex, already exists in metal.

What is known about the new project of the Ukrainian air defense system?

The layout of the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system being developed was shown in Kiev, where the international specialized exhibition “Weapon and security - 2021" (Zbroya and Bezpeka - 2021). The exhibition presented materials on the new air defense system, which is being developed by the State Enterprise "State Kiev Design Bureau" Luch ". The developed complex is currently at the stage of a preliminary project.

Rocket complex "Alder", photo: Ukrobronprom

In some Russian publications, the model of a promising air defense system is referred to as SD-300, but in the Ukrainian media and on the websites of defense companies, the model does not yet have any index and designation. At the exhibition, the layout was shown simply under the designation ZRK SD (“ZRK SD”).

Earlier, Oleg Korostelev, who holds the post of general designer of the Luch design bureau, told Ukrainian journalists that it would take about 2,5 years to create a Ukrainian medium-range air defense system. This could be followed by an order and delivery of complexes for armament to the troops. According to the forecasts of Oleg Korostelev, which he gave in the summer of 2020, the country had to spend about $ 30-50 million to create its own anti-aircraft missile system. A small amount by the standards of most Western countries.

According to Oleg Korostelev, many components of a promising medium-range air defense system have already been created. According to him, approximately 40-50 percent of components have already passed the stage from development to full-fledged testing, including on other types of weapons and military equipment.

It is noteworthy that in the Ukrainian media, in particular on the website of the online edition "Ukrainian Militarist Portal", and at the exhibition itself, it was about the medium-range air defense system. At the same time, information is provided that the basis of the complex will be a guided missile of the high-precision MLRS "Alder", which has a flight range of more than 100 km, which will be modified and specially converted for the destruction of air targets.

Model of the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system, exhibition in Kyiv, June 2021, photo: mil.in.ua

"Alder" is a project of modernization of the Soviet 300-mm multiple launch rocket systems "Smerch" for the use of new corrected ammunition. It is known that the Luch missiles for this complex have a range of more than 100 km. In particular, at the end of 2019, the Alder-M missile with a flight range increased to 120 km was adopted by the Ukrainian army. The modernization of such missiles for solving air defense tasks makes the new Ukrainian air defense system a competitor to the S-300 complexes, which remain in service with the Ukrainian army.

It is reported that the Ukrainian anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) for the new air defense system received an active or passive homing head (GOS). Fortunately, the engineers of the state Kiev design bureau "Luch" have a wealth of experience in this area. Like the Republic of Belarus, Ukraine is actively working in the field of modernizing Soviet-made systems and weapons with subsequent deliveries to developing countries. Also, the defense industry of Ukraine is engaged in the maintenance and repair of Soviet equipment, competing with Russia in this area.

The Luch State Design Bureau previously developed a project for the modernization of the Soviet S-125 Pechora air defense system, which was put into service back in 1961. The renovation of the complex was originally carried out for Angola. The complex underwent a major modernization, and its missiles received a new active radar homing head. Similar GOS is planned to be installed on the missiles of the new Ukrainian medium-range air defense system.

Judging by the layout shown at the exhibition in Kiev, the air defense missile launcher is planned to be placed on the basis of a high cross-country chassis with an 8x8 wheel arrangement. Most likely, we are talking about military tractors of the Czech company "Tatra". At least visually, the car resembles the four-axle Tatra T815-7 model, which is widely used by the military in various versions.

Three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1, which can be part of the new air defense system, photo: iskra.zp.ua

On the launcher of the demonstrated layout, there were four transport-launch containers for missiles. Externally, vertical launch containers resemble those used on the Soviet / Russian S-300P air defense systems. Specialists of the thematic Russian blog bmpd admit that cash PUs of Soviet production can be used in the complex.

It is reported that the new complex will be able to hit all types of air targets: UAVs, helicopters, aircraft, as well as other aerodynamic targets. Also declared the possibility of destroying cruise and ballistic missiles. It is especially emphasized that the complex will be able to deal not only with air targets, but also to hit ground and radio-contrast surface targets.

Three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1

Almost certainly, the anti-aircraft missile system will include the new Ukrainian three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1, which already exists in the metal and has been tested. The first versions of this radar station were demonstrated back in 2014. The Iskra Research and Production Complex from Zaporozhye is responsible for the development of the radar.

The new station for detecting and tracking air targets is a further development of the 79K6 and 80K6 line of radars produced by the state-owned enterprise NPK Iskra. These radars were used in the Air Force of the Armed Forces and are well known to the Ukrainian military. At the same time, the 80K6KS1 radar has successfully passed state tests. The official website of the Zaporizhzhya enterprise reported this on June 10, 2021.

Three-coordinate surveillance radar 80K6KS1, which can be part of the new air defense system, photo: iskra.zp.ua

Tests of the new radar lasted three months, according to the results of state tests, the commission recommended to adopt the 80K6KS1 radar into service and organize the serial production of the model. This surveillance radar is built on modern solid-state modules and a new element base using digital antenna array (DAR) technologies. Externally, the radar is a mobile system based on a semi-trailer that can be transported by standard army heavy wheeled vehicles (KrAZ, MAZ).

Known technical characteristics of the previous closest model of the radar 80K6K1. This radar of circular view (360 degrees) provided the detection and tracking of targets at low, medium and high altitudes. The maximum target detection range is up to 400 km, for tactical targets such as a fighter at an altitude of 10 km - 200–250 km. Radar operating limits: in elevation - 0 ... 35, 55 degrees; in height - up to 40 km, viewing period - 5, 10 seconds.

The radar is able to effectively detect and track air targets in the field of view, measure their speed and coordinates. The 80K6KS1 mobile three-coordinate radar is intended for use as part of anti-aircraft missile and radio engineering units of the air defense forces.

The main difference of this radar from the previous models of the 80K series is the placement of all radar equipment on one vehicle, which can significantly reduce the time for deploying / folding the radar to literally several minutes.

Comments

[Lech from Android.]

I wish the air defense of Ukraine to continue to be in its infancy ... I have not forgotten how they shot down my countrymen on a civilian liner of the Siberia company.
Ukraine cannot have modern weapons.

[SKVichyakow]

So they already have a modern one, you can see from the rocket, the Americans fussed.

[Aleksandr1971]

Precisely because the air defense of Ukraine is now in its infancy and I propose to bomb Ukraine many times. Bring it to the state of Hiroshima, Hamburg, Somalia, until the United States helped it build a modern missile defense system.

But for some reason, readers on the VO website, for the most part, are not supporters of such a solution to the Ukrainian problem?

[demiurg]

Japan, South Korea have been developing their air defense systems for decades, while buying some of the technology. And Ukraine in 2.5 years from a preliminary project to a series, by ourselves.
A reliable plan as a Swiss watch.

[Avior]

In Ukraine, these developments are being carried out by enterprises based on the Soviet military-industrial complex. The same Iskra is still a Soviet enterprise that continues to work and has replaced Soviet products with modern developments, both new and upgraded to a new element base.
Similarly, Luch is also a Soviet enterprise.
In Ukraine, the issues of high-tech weapons are more a matter of having money for mass production than technical development issues.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

In Ukraine, the issues of high-tech weapons are more a matter of having money for mass production than technical development issues

And the staff? Let them get money, a lot ... WILL THE money GET TO specialists and laboratories? From the leadership of this very "Ray"? Everything will resolve there. Well, I don't believe that all applied science in 404 is not funded from the word - at all, all funds are "absorbed" at the administration level, but there are some "oases", even in the defense industry, where the system works differently.

[demiurg]

Are there engineers, technologists, production workers with experience?
RF stood idle less, about 15 years. And yet we still have a shortage of many specialists. All terms regularly creep to the right. To/for the worst. There is a simple 30 years already. Although they covered the whole of Ukraine with bucks in five layers, it takes 10-15-20 years for results to appear.

[NIKN]

Quote: demiurg

At least they covered the whole of Ukraine with bucks in five layers

I have no doubt that the minds have remained there and I am even ready to believe in a fairy tale that the funds will reach whoever is needed, but ... Is there a production of the element base? On whose components is it to be produced? So, this task cannot be solved by Ukraine on its own from the word at all, because it is not realistic to raise all the industries necessary for this. So only the preliminary project remains.

[Martian]

If you don't know why write bullshit? KB "Luch" is quite capable of making such a missile. And there are specialists there and production. KB Luch is located on the territory of KiAPO Artem, a serial Soviet plant for the production of air-to-air missiles. I myself worked there and drank more than one glass of vodka with Oleg Korostelev ... I am sorry that such specialists are now working in Ukraine. And Putin is to blame for not rushing to kill the Bandera supporters in time. Now we got the enemy at hand ...

[Holgerton]

A large number of specialists for the deployment of mass production was required in the days of the USSR, when CNC machines were more like piece goods, and the calculator was replaced by a slide rule.
Now, just the same, everything depends on money, or rather, on machines and equipment that can be bought for this money. Hordes of technologists and production workers (turners, welders, assemblers, locksmiths) at the moment is an impermissible luxury and archaism, and this is perfectly visible even in the example of the United States and China, not like Russia.
Basically, it all comes down to finding a small number of good engineers who own CAD, and "maintenance personnel" for the machines. For $ 100-200 thousand, you can purchase a good German / Turkish / Japanese multi-axis machining center, which will do everything better and faster than a person, while possessing many tools and functions that allow you to perform several technological processes at once. Of course, you cannot do without specialists at all, since there are operations that can be performed exclusively manually, but nevertheless.

If you follow your point of view, then modern Russia would never have reached the current pace of development and production of many types of weapons, and the production of the rest would be carried out with delays and a significant increase in cost, given the degraded system of both professional and higher education.
Now an ordinary student of those. A university with ANSYS / COMSOL / SolidWorks / MATLAB installed on a PC can in a couple of weeks carry out all the necessary calculations, for which the developers of the Su-27 or S-300 needed months, or even years.

[demiurg]

I would tear off the hands of all these designers, with excellent knowledge of CAD, but not understanding the issue.
Such gifted CAD designed the factory where I work. There is no way to get close to lamps or sprinklers without acrobatic sketches. Young creative technologists positioned the machines in such a way that the loader travels from machine to machine through the floor of the workshop.
I'm not talking about purely engineering jambs, when the fenders on the gates are mounted deeper than the level of the wall sheathed with profiled sheet. One wise guy forgot to close the gap near the windows in the drawings, the second wise guy arranged the equipment so that now this gap will be closed up by climbers.
CAD will help a person with experience to develop design documentation faster. She will not add experience.

[Mr.dimadroll]

Hordes of technologists and production workers (turners, welders, assemblers, locksmiths) at the moment is an unaffordable luxury and archaism, and this is clearly seen even in the example of the USA and China, not like Russia.

I got the impression, very stable, that you are not very familiar with the process of development and subsequent production of not only components, but also whole products.

[Holgerton]

Well, since I got the impression, give examples on the basis of what it formed, or rather find me the director of the enterprise who will say that they can afford to hire 500/600/1000 PCB assemblers, and the chief technologist who will say that 500 assemblers work more efficient than two automated production lines and ~ 40-45 people of operators / installers who will fix defective boards returned after TC. Likewise for locksmiths, turners, etc.
Without argumentation, your impression - empty ringing.

[Mr.dimadroll]

Without argumentation, your impression is an empty ring.

Yes, for God's sake, let this be an empty ring for you, but for me it has only been confirmed.
Have a nice day.

[Jacket in stock]

Hmm.
In Ukraine, even under the USSR, there was an almost complete cycle in all positions - rocket fuel, rocket engines, GOS, on-board control systems, large radars, large trucks, their semiconductors (the best in the Union) and other, other, other ...
It’s good (for us) if they don’t have enough pennies, otherwise they can kill them. And what of the components they themselves do not know how, they will buy it, they are not under sanctions. If not Europe / America, then the Byalorus brothers will help.

[Monar]

Experts, please! I have read it twice. It didn't come. Looks like I didn't drink today...
The rocket SZO "Alder-M" is taken. Let it be upgraded. A new GOS from the S-125 "Pechora" is screwed to it. All this is shoved into a container from the S-300. And it turns out...
Okay. The paths of the gloomy teutonic Ukrainian genius is covered with darkness. But won't this "pencil" break during intensive maneuvering while chasing a target? Or they will shove 3-4 missiles into one container at once. Then it's logical. Anti-aircraft missile system of salvo fire.

[Nikon O'Conor]

intensive maneuvering at the air defense system does not seem to be provided for. Convergence on counter courses does not require this, air-to-air does this. But this is my opinion of an amateur, zoshored on ICBMs))

[Monar]

"48N6E2 has a maximum overload limit of 35 units." She also needs to catch up with the same F-15,16. And they are good at changing course. :)

[Avior]

No, this is also an important characteristic for air defense systems, to increase the accuracy of the Rocket, and when performing anti-aircraft evasive maneuvers by the aircraft.

[Nikon O'Conor]

Accepted! Thanks for the clarification.

[Avior]

Alder, as far as I understand, was originally designed for intensive maneuvering to increase accuracy - it provides for gas-dynamic control.
MLRS is not a completely correct definition for high-precision guided missiles, their connection with MLRS is that they use the same launchers, but no one launches them in a gulp over the area.

[Monar]

Why do SZO missiles need intensive maneuvering? Their target is not even F1 cars.

but no one lets them in in one gulp across the square.

And why not? There are 10 hectares of hostage. The far right corner is an officer's toilet. 300 meters to the left in the lowland fuel trucks. A little to the north is the kitchen. Here is the guard company. Nearby are a couple of turntables. And on that hill the General himself. Looking through binoculars.
Volley across the square. With the priority of the density of hitting individual squares. And no one can run away.
Fantastic, of course. :) But this has nothing to do with air defense missiles. From the word at all. And if the longitudinal overload should be held by all missiles, then dozens of the same transverse overload is purely the prerogative of air defense and aviation explosives.

[Avior]

An area salvo with guided missiles - nonsense
For this, there are relatively inexpensive unmanaged rocket launchers.
Controlled shoot at a specific target
And as for maneuverability, it increases the accuracy of guided missiles

[Monar]

An area salvo with guided missiles - nonsense

I gave you an example. Hitting the square. The general's pumpkin is being demolished. and all its accompaniments. With one gulp.
Well, again. Square nest. Places of concentration. A pack of rockets crumbles in a checkerboard pattern. And now, along the line of fortification, they also bang the "dotted line".
But again, I repeat. SZO missile hulls were created for other tasks. They are not for air defense with their lateral loads.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Monar

SZO missile hulls were created for other tasks. They are not for air defense with their lateral loads.

Don't you know that our Grad was made from a German anti-aircraft missile?
And so, yes, they have different overloads. However, take a look at the photo of Alder, do you see a belt of transverse control jets?

[Monar]

Don't you know that our Grad was made from a German anti-aircraft missile?

Yeah. And Kalash from Schmeiser and MiG-21 from Me. 262. And Musk licked his cars with La Jamais Contente. And the gyro scooter is generally the chariot of the ancient Greeks. Only without the horses.

However, take a look at the photo of Alder, do you see a belt of transverse control jets?

Yeah. I see. Four white dots near the nose cone.
Yes, even put the RD-170 there. Well, the rocket was not originally designed for such lateral loads. From the word at all.

[Jacket in stock]

At the beginning of 1944, at the rocket center in Peenemünde, where the famous V-2 was created, they began to create anti-aircraft missiles. ...
Typhoons "were classic unguided missiles - the same as those that were used in the Soviet Union from aircraft in the second half of the 1930s, only of a larger caliber: 100 millimeters. They were of two types, with liquid and solid propellant engines, had a warhead weighing 700 grams and tail fins. These small wings were deflected one degree from the longitudinal axis of the rocket and gave it a spin in flight, like a bullet fired from a rifled weapon. Due to this, the altitude of the Typhoon flight was significant - 13-15 kilometers, ... Soviet designers and took advantage of the developments of the German rocketry. The revision of the Typhoons was divided between two design bureaus: the liquid-fueled versions were taken up by Sergey Korolev's SKB (which soon abandoned this topic, concentrating on heavier missiles), and solid-propellant - at the State Specialized Research Institute-642 ...
It was there that the Typhoons brought to mind, creating by the end of 1956 the Swift anti-aircraft missile system, the main combat force of which was the RZS-115 unguided missiles.
But during tests at the Donguz test site in the first half of 1957, the Swifts showed very modest results ...
In the same 1956, when the anti-aircraft version was just preparing for testing, NII-642 began work on turning the RZS-115 into a high-explosive fragmentation munition for ground use.
By 1956, the multiple launch rocket systems in service no longer met modern combat requirements. ...
These requirements were met by the latest version of the Strizh system, in which the firing range reached 22,7 km, and each volley consisted of 30 shells. It only remained to increase the weight of the warhead,

[Monar]

AND? I now claim that the "Grad" was made from

which in the Soviet Union began to be used from aircraft in the second half of the 1930s

. And in general, from the first Chinese missiles of a forgotten century.
Just don't tell anyone. Extraction technology (or whatever it is called correctly) of long thin pipes. For the missile body. Can you tell me where the copy is from?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Monar

Yes, even put the RD-170 there. Well, the rocket was not originally designed for such lateral loads. From the word at all.

Initially, yes.
And what prevents the designers from finalizing the rocket?

[Monar]

Sopromat. Take A4 sheet. Roll up a tube. Fix it with tape. Stand upright. And from above, start concealing a pack of CD-DVDs. Be amazed at the height of the stack that this tube can handle (this is a typical rocket design that does not require high speed maneuvers). And if you slightly bend this paper cylinder from the side with your finger, then everything will collapse at once. Come on, upgrade that cylinder. That he would withstand your pressing.
Of course, you can put vertical and transverse stiffeners. But that is in an empty cylinder. And the real rocket inside is packed to capacity. There is no free space.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Monar

Of course, you can put vertical and transverse stiffeners. But that is in an empty cylinder. And the real rocket inside is packed to capacity. There is no free space.

Those. in other missiles, there is usually a place for strengthening the hull, but there is no longer any place left in this particular place.
Do you believe it yourself?

[Monar]

Those. in other missiles, the place to reinforce the hull is usually

But from this place in more detail. What is this other rocket?

[Avior]

Apparently, you do not quite understand the impact on the area
In the situation you described, these are strikes on specific point targets.
And the more accurately the missile arrives at a specific target, the higher the probability of its destruction.
The presence of gas-dynamic rudders - they can be seen in the photo - suggests intensive maneuvering and a fairly high overload capacity of the rocket

[Monar]

Again 25 ... Well, decompose high-precision squares in squares. In one salvo. And if there is also a simultaneous undermining ...
Tu you and high-precision. And volley. And by area.

[Revolver]

Yes, they are. Everything can be done. They can even shoot down the Death Star. They even dug up the Black Sea, and dumped the dug-out soil where Crimea turned out, so Crimea should be Ukrainian.

[Toucan]

anti-aircraft guided missile (SAM) for the new air defense system received an active or passive homing head

Does the author write exactly about an anti-aircraft missile?
Maybe an active or semi-active radar?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Tucan

Can it be active or semi-active radar?

Well, in addition to radar, there are also optical and IR, so they are passive.

[Toucan]

Well, in addition to radar, there are also optical and IR, so they are passive.

There are also IRs, but not medium and long-range air defense systems.

[alex neym_2]

Every day, every other day - the latest projects for the processing of SOVIET (obsolete) weapons! Where do ideas like this come from? It can be seen that there are not enough new, young personnel for new ones (strawberries are harvested in Poland)

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: aleks neym_2

Every day, every other day - the latest projects for the processing of SOVIET (obsolete) weapons! Where do such ideas come from?

They come out from there, from where they were in Soviet times, from numerous research institutes and design bureaus, which were then leading in their industry in the USSR.
Yes, and they are not so outdated, no matter how much we would like it, they are quite on the level. And taking into account the access to good components and assistance from Western firms, we still would not have had to catch up.

[Dart2027]

What is known about the Ukrainian medium-range air defense system? The fact that he is not and will not be.

[mark1]

Iran could, why not Ukraine? The other side of the issue worries - we, at least our leadership, seem to be in a state of generating some kind of pink saliva on the theme of the brotherly (practically one) people, which cannot be bullied and passively watch how the enemy grows and strengthens both in moral and technical plan. In addition to eternal hemorrhoids, gentlemen, we risk getting a savory hit in the face (to defeat us, we will not be defeated without internal betrayal, but we can get hurt in the face). The Novorossiya project must be revived and brought to the desired result as soon as possible. All "zrobitchane" who have to pass a loyalty test with us (40-70 percent can most likely be departed)

[Slobodskoy]

“Zarobitchans” almost no longer go to Russia, those who want to earn money go to Europe.

[TermNachTer]

And who told you this?))) I live in Ukraine, I observe the process up close. Those who went to work in Russia still go, even from abroad)))

[Slobodskoy]

I also live in Ukraine and I know for sure that less and less people go to Russia to work, they try to get to Europe.

[Ramzaj99]

Quote: Slobodskoy

and I know for sure that less and less people go to Russia to work,

In the meantime, Tajiks and Uzbeks disappeared from the construction sites and were replaced by Ukrainians. Recently, I had to travel around construction sites and made a conclusion for myself. At the construction sites of large houses of 9-15 floors, 60-70 percent of the builders are Ukrainians. Road construction 95% Armenians.

[Slobodskoy]

The bulk of Ukrainians who want to earn extra money today go to Europe. To Poland, the Czech Republic and not only.

[Roman Efremov]

The Novorossiya project should become a consequence of the project for the collapse and destruction of the state of Ukraine. A sequel, so to speak.
And we have so many Zrobitans that you cannot check all of them, and the majority are already citizens of Russia. And by what criteria to check - there Rotaru has not been in Crimea for 7 years, and she has a dacha there. Waiting?

[Slobodskoy]

Zarobitchan you have less and less.

[Roman Efremov]

And where did they disappear, in your opinion?

[Slobodskoy]

They are trying to get to Europe.

[Black lotos]

Quote: Roman Efremov

And we have so many Zrobitans that you cannot check all of them, and the majority are already citizens of Russia. And by what criteria to check - there Rotaru has not been in Crimea for 7 years, and she has a dacha there. Waiting?

and what else to do then ... he goes to the dacha and gets a term in Ukraine.
so many do not go to the Crimea for the same reason as Rotaru.
About the workers. Both are right. Ukrainians from the LDNR prefer Russia as a place of work.
Ukrainians from the rest of Ukraine prefer mainly the EU.
Both those and other Ukrainians for the FMS of the Russian Federation.

[Prisoner]

What can you say? Well done! Good layout. We have boys in technical modeling clubs who make almost the same ones, only smaller.

[Luminman]

Quote: Slobodskoy

who wants to make money goes to Europe.

To clean the toilets?

[Avior]

You seem to be in the 90s. Time has changed a long time ago.

[V1er]

Is it realistic to develop an anti-aircraft missile based on MLRS? There are also quite different characteristics needed.

[Monar]

Well, why not? You can even develop an ICBM. Whether it will work is another question.
Two legends warm my soul. This is a Ju-87 shot down from a mortar and a direct hit from a B-4 directly into the Tiger's turret. In theory, it is possible.

[Konnick]

Two legends warm my soul. This is a Yu-87 shot down from a mortar

Why legend? Well, not Yu-87, but Focke-Wulf, I don’t know which one. Sergeant Kalinin Petr Petrovich, squad leader of the 1st mortar company of the 41st rifle regiment of the 84th rifle division shot down Focke-Wulf. From award -

"... At this time, a German Focke-Wulf aircraft appeared over Comrade Kalinin's firing sector. Comrade Kalinin made the calculation and began to fire from his 82mm mortar. The third mine hit right on target, the enemy aircraft of the Focke-Wulf brand caught fire and crashed to the ground at the location of the enemy.
Sergeant Kalinin is worthy of the Government award of the Order of the Red Banner.
Regiment commander lieutenant colonel Belousov. October 3, 1942

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Any weapon needs a head and hands. And not in theory, but in calculation.

[Monar]

I am glad that the legend turned out to be true.

[Roman Efremov]

Israel in such cases inflicts preventive strikes on the places of development and production of weapons dangerous to it.

[Viktor Sergeev]

One thing is known: Ukraine is not capable of creating anything, only beautiful pictures. Only a few countries can create a normal air defense system, and Ukraine will not be included in this list at any time.

[TermNachTer]

All you need to know about the new banderoZRK is that it does not exist and will not exist in the foreseeable future))) Uv. the author, the latest three-coordinate radar is an old Soviet development. Its production was already being deployed at NPO Iskra, but after the collapse of the Union, it stalled. And now. the latest Bandera development !!!))))

[Avior]

There are no purely Soviet developments left on Iskra
Either completely new, or upgraded to a modern element base, even if their names have been preserved, consider that they are also actually new.

[TermNachTer]

Iskra does not have its own developments, because it is a plant that was greatly reduced after the collapse of the USSR. There are about 4000 thousand left - this is together with the guards, wipers and plumbers. The radar in question is a Soviet development, if sclerosis does not change me - 79K. Small changes in the element base, which is not very good. Because under the Union, the military representatives committed atrocities - the slightest deviation and the whole party went to the national economy. And now they are putting on Chinese semiconductors, they are already running and no one is worried.

[Yuri Vasilenko]

Nevertheless, modern Chinese semiconductors are much more reliable and much more functional than their counterparts from the USSR. And some things did not exist at all as a separate class in the USSR, but in China there are ...

[TermNachTer]

I wonder why Motor Sich buys Russian semiconductors and not Chinese ones? Probably because the Chinese are better? I won't tell you about Iskra, because I don't know for sure.

[Black lotos]

Quote: TermNachTER

Motor Sich buys Russian semiconductors,

are there links to such information *?
I would also believe the Belarusian one (it was planned for Orshansky)
there appeared the still freshly bought JSC "Semiconductor Plant" in Zaporozhye
And why do MS need such schemes then ... everything can be bought from the Chinese without hemorrhoids. Well, RB has hemorrhoids now.

[TermNachTer]

There is a link, I work for "Motor". True, not in the Procurement Department, but I know. Because quality. I don’t remember the plant, but somewhere in the Moscow region.

[Avior]

What exactly are they buying? The motor generally buys avionics in a finished product, and not components at the level of the element base.

[TermNachTer]

Semiconductor products are purchased, which I don’t know specifically - not my profile of work, I know that the plant is in Moscow and there are very strict requirements for product parameters. Aviation specification. The motor itself does some small things to engines and helicopters. And repairs too.

[TermNachTer]

The 15th is not engaged in aviation at all, it has purely auxiliary and support functions.

[Black lotos]

Quote: TermNachTER

Semiconductor products are purchased, which I don’t know specifically - not my profile of work, I know that the plant is in Moscow and there are very strict requirements for product parameters.

it is logical that in terms of supplies, old proven suppliers are better than new ones that have not yet been verified. However, it is interesting whether the batches are fresh, they can be purchased before 2016. But by the way, MS can be bought wherever they want. But they are not allowed to sell. Directly

[Avior]

There is nothing left of the Soviet era on Iskra, the entire elemental base is different. And not only Chinese, by the way.
And as for the quality, then they were rejected in batches not from a good life and good quality of the element base

[TermNachTer]

What's new? The fact that 19Zh6 was called 36D6 - has it become new? Similarly, the radar, which is discussed in this article. New there, only Kuev bureaucrats.

[Nord11]

Is $40-50 million taking into account the embezzlement of allocated funds or in the hope of broad patriotism?

[lelik613]

It is time to make a final decision on such developments.

[Bauer]

"a project for the modernization of the Soviet S-125 Pechora air defense system, which was put into service back in 1961." - High tech! Great Ukrainian breakthrough.

[Stepan S]

Today, the air defense of Ukraine is not in the most combat-ready state, like all the armed forces of the country

Just don't tell Ukrainians this. They'll tear it. They are convinced that they have the most advanced army and the best technology.
But people who regularly attend arms exhibitions in Ukraine say that the same stands have been brought there for ten years without changes. These are the realities. Something is being done, that's for sure, but the financial and technological resources are far from being what is needed to create really high-quality equipment.

[iouris]

Does it exist? Everything that is connected directly with Ukraine, in general, is unreliable.

[Xamlain]

"Modernization of such missiles to solve air defense tasks makes the new Ukrainian air defense system a competitor to the S-300 systems" - AND ALSO competitors to Tsiolkovsky's missiles and mine, which I made in a model designer circle “And even this antique they have a model, it will remain a model. And when we let the gas bypass, then the models will become too expensive for them, they will show pictures like with that miracle tank. So glory to the hero

[Uncle Vanya Susanin]

Under these conditions, Ukraine is creating new models of weapons and equipment, which in many respects continue to be based on the Soviet legacy. In the existing realities, there is nothing wrong with this, even a certain continuity is demonstrated.

There would be nothing wrong with this if it were not for one nuance - decommunization !!!