Project "Cedar". Possible future of the Strategic Missile Forces

PGRK "Topol" on the march. In the future, they will be abandoned due to obsolescence.

According to media reports, the development of a new strategic missile system has begun in our country. The project with the code "Kedr" is still in its earliest stages, and the appearance of ready-made missiles is expected only in the distant future. So far, very little is known about this project, and the press makes do with only the most general formulations. However, the published data are also of great interest.

Latest news

The first message about the new project was published on March 1 by the TASS news agency. An unnamed source in the rocket and space industry said that defense industry enterprises have begun research work with the code "Kedr". The purpose of this research work is to create a new generation rocket complex.

So far, we are talking only about deep research work. In the future, research and development work can be transformed into experimental design work, which will make it possible to “speak substantively”. No technical details or timing information was provided at that time.

"Topol-M" and "Yars" in one formation

On April 2, TASS again raised the topic of research work "Cedar" and published new information from its source. It was reported that the new project is receiving funding under the current State Armaments Program, calculated until 2027. Already in 2023-24. the current research and development work will move to the R&D stage, the result of which in the future will be a finished missile system.

The source said that the Kedr project will continue the ideology of Topol and Yars. A new generation solid-propellant rocket will be created, suitable for use in a silo and on a mobile ground launcher. The process of replacing the existing complexes with the new "Kedrom" will be launched by the beginning of the next decade. The developer of the complex was not specified, but TASS unsuccessfully tried to get a comment from the corporation "Moscow Institute of Heat Engineering" (MIT).

Another interesting news the development of the Strategic Missile Forces was received on June 28 and was also published by TASS. It is alleged that in mid-June at the 1st State Test Cosmodrome of the Ministry of Defense (Plesetsk), a successful launch of the newest intercontinental ballistic missile took place. The type of product is not specified, but it is mentioned that it was developed at MIT. At the same time, the developer corporation again did not comment on the news.

Mobile "Yars" on patrol

Considering the earlier news, it can be assumed that the launch in mid-June had no direct relation to the Kedr research and development project. This project is in its earliest stages, and is still far from even bench tests, not to mention full-fledged flights. Probably, another product was tested at the Plesetsk cosmodrome, the type of which remains unknown.

Riddles and secrets

It is known from reports of recent months that the development of a new missile system for the Strategic Missile Forces has begun in our country. Some details have been disclosed, but other information has not been published and is unlikely to be released in the foreseeable future - both for reasons of secrecy and due to the fact that the project was in its early stages.

According to reports, the Cedar theme is currently in the R&D stage. This means that the exact shape of the future complex is not yet known even in the Ministry of Defense and in the development organization. Such issues will be resolved only in the foreseeable future - by the end of 2023. By this time, MIT and related organizations will have to determine the main ways to achieve the goals set by the customer. Only then will the design stage begin.

Yars rocket launch

However, a few news allow us to imagine what the technical task of the customer might be. Apparently, the Kedr is going to include a solid-propellant ICBM with unknown flight and combat characteristics. It is proposed to be used on stationary mine and mobile soil launchers. At the same time, it is necessary to ensure effective replacement of existing complexes of a similar class.

Thus, the customer wants the Kedr to be similar in terms of its overall appearance to the previous developments of the MIT - the Topol, Topol-M and Yars systems, which are in service with the Strategic Missile Forces. This shows that the concept of a "universal" light-class ICBM with different basing options is still relevant and will even retain its potential in the distant future.

It is almost impossible to predict the details of the Kedr's technical appearance. The overall architecture of the two variants of the complex should not undergo major changes. At the same time, the question of the chassis remains open: it is possible to preserve Belarusian equipment or switch to a domestic platform with the necessary characteristics. Perhaps, due to new technologies, it will be possible to increase the flight range and improve the capabilities to overcome missile defense.

Preparation for the Sarmat missile throw test

The issue of combat equipment remains open. You can assume the use of a "traditional" multiple warhead with individual guidance warheads or expect a promising hypersonic warhead. Our country has technologies for the implementation of both schemes - depending on the plans and wishes of the customer.

Prospective samples

In 2023-24. the "Cedar" theme will move to a new stage, and in a few years the first flights of a promising rocket should be expected. Already in 2030, it will begin to replace Yars products of the early series, which by that time will face the problems of obsolescence and expiration of shelf life. Thus, in 10-12 years, "Kedr", while still at the stage of research and development, will begin to occupy one of the main places in the Strategic Missile Forces' weapons nomenclature.

It should be noted that simultaneously with the Kedr, several other promising models will be in operation, which at the moment remain at different stages of development. In the foreseeable or distant future, they will go into service and press the existing complexes, and then completely replace them.

The "Sarmat" complex with ICBMs of a heavy class, with the help of which the "Voevoda" will be replaced in the future, has already received the greatest fame. The first three test launches with full-fledged flights are planned for this year. By the middle of the decade, the deployment of such missiles in combat units may begin. According to various reports, "Sarmat" will be able to carry both "conventional" MIRVs, and hypersonic weapon.

The product "Sarmat" leaves the mine - for the time being for a short-distance flight

In mid-June, information about another missile complex project appeared on specialized resources. With reference to the published documents on public procurement, it is reported that in 2019 the MIT corporation received an order to conduct the Osina-RV R&D project. The purpose of this work is to create a new modification of the Yars complex. The start of flight tests of the updated rocket was planned for 2021-22. It is quite possible that the launch in mid-June, mentioned in the press, was carried out within the framework of such a project.

However, the official statements and news of the OCD "Osina-RV" have not yet been mentioned. Probably, this project, its successes and prospects will be told only in the future, after receiving positive results or even at the stage of deploying mass production and rearmament.

The future of the Strategic Missile Forces

Currently in service are several strategic missile systems of different classes with different capabilities, due to which the Strategic Missile Forces are becoming a flexible and effective military-political instrument. Some of the existing designs are already outdated or approaching their limits - and new products are being created to replace them.

The process of developing a missile system with ICBMs is particularly complex and requires a lot of time. Therefore, work on the promising complex "Kedr", which is planned to be put into service by the end of the decade, begins now. What it will be and what success it will show is not yet known. However, it is clear that our industry has all the necessary competencies and is able to cope with the task at hand, creating a foundation for the development of the Strategic Missile Forces in the distant future.

Comments

[kristofer]

And it is not yet clear what color to choose for painting.

[knn54]

They have just started designing, they are investigating for the creation of a promising new generation strategic missile system.
For about six years (already in units) the missilemen were driving "Satan".
For example, it was only in 1987 that the BZHRK complex was on alert.
We will see.

[lukewarm]

Shifted to the right, no getting used to.

[antivirus]

in the first photo - on a public road - a photo from a bus stop.
it was clear before why Ivanovo-Teikovo-Rostov and Torchino are always like a washboard ... and 12 tons per axle is not enough

[Krasnoyarsk]

All this is, of course, very good. But. I, a person far from rocketry, do not understand why a hypersonic warhead is needed "Sarmat". Let me explain. "Sarmat" "shoots" at 18 thousand km. And when and where will the hypersonic warhead be separated from the carrier? Well, not 100 km away. from the goal. And much earlier. Then why "Sarmat"? It is enough for the carrier of a hypersonic warhead to "shoot" for 5-7 thousand km. Not?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

... Then why "Sarmat"? It is enough for the carrier of a hypersonic warhead to "shoot" for 5-7 thousand km. Not?

The range margin is needed, for example, for firing not along the shortest trajectory, but bypassing missile defense positions.
Instead of the range, you can increase the load, add several warheads and plus means to overcome missile defense, well, etc. In general, the pocket does not pull the stock.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The range margin is needed, for example, for firing not along the shortest trajectory, but bypassing missile defense positions.

Those. Do you think that mattress makers, for example, have missile defense positions in the north, but none in the south?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Those. Do you think that mattress makers, for example, have missile defense positions in the north, but none in the south?

This is not, I suppose, this is what Channel One told us on TV.

[bayard]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Those. Do you think that mattress makers, for example, have missile defense positions in the north, but none in the south?

Not . There are none in the south.

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: bayard

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Those. Do you think that mattress makers, for example, have missile defense positions in the north, but none in the south?

Not . There are none in the south.

Do you want to say that SSBN goes to the Hawaiian Islands and calmly shoots the south of the United States?

[bayard]

Hawaiian Islands, this is the western direction. The North, East and West of the United States are covered by means of control of early warning and missile defense systems. There is not even an early warning system in the southern direction.
Therefore, SSBNs can safely go to the shores of Chile, Venezuela or Bolivia and shoot like in a shooting range. If, of course, we break away from the escort of enemy MAPLs and aviation submarines.
That is why the USSR had an outfit of a number of R-36 ICBMs of the so-called "orbital series", which were supposed to hit the United States through the South Pole with a 20 Mt warhead.
The only thing that the United States can detect an ICBM launch through the South Pole is an orbital satellite constellation. But with them they can only detect the very fact of the start, but not track the trajectory. They have NO early warning systems and missile defense systems in the southern strategic direction.
Yes, and with air defense they somehow did not always have very much, there is no radar field at low and medium altitudes over the United States. There were attempts to place AWACS tethered balloons along the coasts ... but after the accident of one of them, the idea seemed to be abandoned.

And you can also deploy an MRBM in Venezuela and watch with quiet joy how the United States frantically and hastily builds an early warning and missile defense system in the South.
And this is an expensive pleasure.

And in general, the existing US missile defense system is not capable of intercepting our Soviet-made ICBMs and SLBMs ... The Stone Flower did not come out.

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you want to say that SSBN goes to the Hawaiian Islands and calmly shoots the south of the United States?

And you want to say that our SSBN will reach the Hawaiian Islands?

[Alex777]

And you want to say that Sarmatians are on the SSBN?

[Grits]

Quote: Krasnoyarsk

Do you think that mattress makers, for example, have missile defense positions in the north, but not in the south?

PRO is not a cheap thing. Even for staff members. I believe that even in the north they have a lot of holes.

[Artyom Karagodin]

And, to be honest, the question arises: do we need such a zoo of projects? In the United States, two types of ICBMs are dispensed with: one for firing from land, the other for SSBNs. Shouldn't we also follow a similar path in order to reduce costs? Only modernize on time and change to new projects when needed.

And then there are Sarmat, Topol-M, Yars, Bulava, and Kedr. And yet there was talk about "Rubezh" and BZHRK. Isn't it a bit too much?

Who understands the issue, tell me.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

Do we need such a zoo of projects?

Apparently needed, since you yourself immediately wrote

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

modernize on time and change to new projects when the time is right

After all, Kedr is the modernization of Yars, which is the modernization of Poplar, which is the modernization of Poplar ... and Bulava was also originally intended as a modernization of Poplar (it was smooth on paper ...).
And about Rubezh and BZHRK so far only talk.

[Artyom Karagodin]

The question is, is it not too early to take on a new project? The same "Yarsy" seems to have gone into production relatively recently, and the modernization took place almost yesterday.

[Reserve buildbat]

Do you think it would be more correct to wait until the missiles on alert begin to crumble like "minutemans"? If mattresses had enough brains, "minutemans" would go down in history 30-40 years ago. But there are no brains (designers), there are no uranium enrichment technologies, there is no way to create new charges, so the idea went to make new ones of 300Kt from 15Kt of charges. That sort of would be enough for the current accuracy. True, our protected objects are usually designed for a direct hit of 100-300Kt of charge.

[Artyom Karagodin]

I do not consider anything, I am trying to wait for the comment of a person who is really in the subject, and not the same dilettante as I am.

[Reserve buildbat]

Do not wait))) Such people are usually silent.

[Kasym]

Artem, one can only assume here, and knowledgeable people are unlikely to comment on anything.
The United States deployed its missile defense system in Romania and Poland not to protect the satillites, but for itself. Therefore, Russia needs a "quick start" rocket and a reduction in flight time ("Avangard" is just one of this series - hypersonic). This was announced by the office. persons of the Russian Federation. The United States does not have such problems - there are no bases near the borders that could threaten interception at the initial stage of the flight. It is enough for them to upgrade their missiles. Engines, avionics, warheads.
There is a new warhead (Vanguard), now a more "nimble carrier" is needed. I think that many are impressed by missile launches from the Nudol missile defense system - that would be the start for a new ICBM.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

The question is, is it not too early to take on a new project? The same "Yarsy" seems to have gone into production relatively recently, and the modernization took place almost yesterday.

Maybe they learned to do something that radically changes the parameters of a rocket or combat equipment, or a launch complex. At the research stage, they will evaluate how it can be used, and then the actual new project will begin.

[Artyom Karagodin]

By the way, yes, I did not read it carefully. After all, research and development is not yet a project. And by the 30s, it will already be possible to start changing Yarsy. Or at least Poplar.

[Alex777]

We do not know which rocket was launched from Plesetsk.
And this is a very interesting point.
The author estimated approximately / correctly in the absence of reliable information.
And there anything could be. Including the Frontier.

[Doccor18]

The USSR is long gone, and the mistakes that were under it live and prosper ...

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

: Do we need such a zoo of projects? IN

[sawic1]

Why does a hypersonic warhead need "Sarmat"? Let me explain. "Sarmat" "shoots" at 18 thousand km. And when and where will the hypersonic warhead be separated from the carrier? Well, not 100 km away. from the goal. And much earlier. Then why "Sarmat"? It is enough for the carrier of a hypersonic warhead to "shoot" for 5-7 thousand km. Not?
Maybe because it was made according to the standard of Satan for using existing mines, hence the large size and range, and the equipment of warheads is not always hypersonic, they are probably very expensive to equip everything

[Krasnoyarsk]

Quote: sawic1

Maybe because it was made according to the standard of Satan for using existing mines, hence the large size and range, and the equipment of warheads is not always hypersonic, they are probably very expensive to equip everything

I say this to the fact that it would probably be cheaper to use the Topol with its 12000 km than the Sarmat with 18000 km.
Of course, the military knows better.

[Jacket in stock]

the appearance of the future complex is not yet known even in the Ministry of Defense and in the development organization

but the author bungled the text into several pages, pouring from empty to empty and repeating this emptiness three times.
Well done, I really envy you.

[Zaurbek]

Can't you make MRBM out of poplar?

[Grandfather]

Ryabov Kirill, thanks for the time taken

[mark1]

Can. What for? Poplar is written off as it becomes physically obsolete, that is, to make MRBM out of it, after there is no sense, and it makes even less sense to re-produce it in a new hypostasis.

[Reserve buildbat]

Can. And you can make a hammer from a nuclear warhead. But the meaning?

[Vikxnumx]

Will RSD-10 work?
"-" one stage ... and 5500 km of range

[Colonel]

Bullshit question, saw off the second stage and ... woo a la ...

[ccsr]

Author:
Ryabov Kirill

So far, we are talking only about deep research work. In the future, research and development work can be transformed into experimental design work, which will make it possible to “speak substantively”. No technical details or timing information was provided at that time.

Indeed, it is not yet known how it will end, and it is likely that preference will still be given to heavier silo-based missiles.

Apparently, the Kedra is going to include a solid-propellant ICBM with unknown flight and combat characteristics. It is proposed to be used on stationary mine and mobile ground launchers. At the same time, it is necessary to ensure effective replacement of existing complexes of a similar class.

I think that this is precisely the main goal of research and development - the unification of ballistic missiles in order to reduce their serial cost and lower costs for their maintenance.
In any case, this is a necessary matter, whoever tries to criticize this R&D - such a rocket has great prospects. Let's hope that the developers have a good job that will define our security right up until the middle of the 21st century.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: ccsr

I think that this is precisely the main goal of research and development - the unification of ballistic missiles in order to reduce their serial cost and lower costs for their maintenance.
In any case, this is a necessary matter, whoever tries to criticize this R&D - such a rocket has great prospects

Yes, like bae,
Both Yars and Topol were already unified and had both mobile and mine placement. There is no research work here.
The task of research and development is usually to check how the parameters of the product will change from the use of new achievements (for example, new fuel, new element base, new algorithms, etc.), or to identify bottlenecks, i.e. what needs to be changed to achieve the new parameters.

[ccsr]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Yes, like bae,
Both Yars and Topol were already unified and had both mobile and mine placement. There is no research work here.

Based on your logic, Yars and Topol are one rocket, not two. Then why is the cipher different?
You couldn't even understand the author's text correctly:

The source said that the Kedr project will continue the ideology of Topol and Yars. A new generation solid-propellant rocket will be created, suitable for use in a mine and mobile soil launcher.

As you can see from the text, they plan to create one rocket instead of Poplar and Yars - this will already reduce the cost of replacing the old fleet with a new one.

Quote: Jacket in stock

The task of research and development is usually to check how the parameters of the product will change from the use of new achievements (for example, new fuel, new element base, new algorithms, etc.),

Why such a conclusion? Or maybe this is search work, the purpose of which will be to create a completely new carrier for a new charge? The article clearly states - "a solid-propellant rocket of a new generation has been created"

Quote: Jacket in stock

or identify bottlenecks,

Bottlenecks are determined during operation, and not in exploratory research.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: ccsr

Based on your logic, Yars and Topol are one rocket, not two.

But it's not true, I kind of wrote in Russian Yars - modernization of Poplar, Kedr will be a modernization of Yars. The generation will be new, but the ideology is old.

plan to create one rocket, instead of Poplar and Yars

Of course, just like Yars was created instead of Poplar.
But if there is a Yars, this does not mean that all Poplars must be thrown away at once, they simply refine their resource and are routinely retired.
It will be the same with Cedar, he will be created instead of Yars, but they will also serve in parallel.
I agree about bottlenecks, I have already cut my thought a little bit.

[andr327]

The missile complex is a very broad concept. This is a carrier (rocket), and combat equipment (various warheads, including hypersound), and launch equipment (launchers of various types), and control systems with control points, as well as maintenance systems, etc. Therefore, the development of all other components of the rocket complex depends on the modernization-creation of a carrier (rocket). This means that R&D and R&D should be ongoing. So the movement from object 815 to Yars is a constant research and development work. Even if both Cedar and Aspen are not delivered to the troops, some OAKs, Fir, etc. will appear on their base, which will stand up to protect our Motherland.

[ccsr]

Quote: andr327

This means that R&D and R&D should be ongoing.

Yes, this is exactly how it should be in the Strategic Missile Forces, because this is our main branch of the armed forces and there is no need to spare money for this.

Quote: andr327

Even if both Cedar and Aspen are not delivered to the troops, some OAKs, Fir, etc. will appear on their base, which will stand up to defend our Motherland.

I think that we now have the means to create something super reliable and long-lasting, and taking into account different bases, we can get just a candy in a solid-fuel version. The whole question is already in the strategy - what percentage will the new product occupy in the country's total rocket fleet until the middle of the 21st century. And therefore, there is no need to waste time on trifles - any military professional will confirm who understands at least something in our military policy.

[JD1979]

When you don't know anything, but the writer's itch does not give rest.

[Sancho_SP]

Oh, what is it ...

Indeed, the qualitative growth of the RVSN is the creation of one single rocket. And for mines, and for mobile platforms, and for submarines. Solid fuel, cheap,

Let it be a light rocket, but due to their massiveness there should be a lot of them and should be as cheap as possible. Do not use scarce and / or sanctioned materials.


As a bonus, the standard ability to unscrew the warhead and screw the payload into orbit.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sancho_SP

creation of one single rocket. And for mines, and for mobile platforms, and for submarines. Solid fuel, cheap,

When we started Bulava, they thought so too, but there were too many features.
And both Yars and Poplar were already united. Nothing new here.

As a bonus, the standard ability to unscrew the warhead and screw the payload into orbit.

but that would be a very nice bonus.

[Sancho_SP]

So the mace was actually made. And how unified it is with the poplar family is an extremely interesting question, although secret, most likely.

It is unified, of course, not by the body, but by various other expensive components. Although their weight and size parameters are similar.

The logical next step is generally the same missile (even a sea one), launched from anywhere (mine, mobile complex, boat). With a slightly higher flight load and a shorter range to submarines, and with a slightly longer range and less load for ground complexes.


Strictly speaking, warheads can be the same. Differing only in quantity. Preferably, exactly the same as for cruise missiles.

It is then that the cost of delivery of a megaton will be the lowest, which will either reduce the consumption of resources, or have more of these same megatons.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Sancho_SP

generally the same rocket (albeit sea), launched from anywhere (mine, mobile complex, boat)

So even with cruise missiles it does not work, the underwater launch has too many features,

Quote: Sancho_SP

Strictly speaking, warheads can be the same. Differing only in quantity. Preferably, exactly the same as for cruise missiles.

Do land and sea missiles have the same BBs anyway?
But with the winged to unify as I can not even imagine. There, more than half are troubles for flight in space and entry into the atmosphere on hypersound, which Calibram does not go anywhere.

[Vikxnumx]

And where will the Government go to the freed up money?
Will it distribute to pensioners?
Or children?
No no no !!! at least six missiles to defend the homeland! Only factories are not enough for production ... (2, EMNIP)

[Sancho_SP]

Money should not be given to anyone. It's unhealthy.

But it would be good to lower the levies.

[Dzafdet]

Quote: Artyom Karagodin

I do not consider anything, I am trying to wait for the comment of a person who is really in the subject, and not the same dilettante as I am.

The range of missiles allows you to solve various problems of countering and destroying a potential enemy. The rocket is developed and put into production in 7-12 years. During this time, new materials appear. electronics, air defense and missile defense systems. We are now trying to reduce the number of types and to unify them. Poplars and their clones are medium-power rockets. Voivode - Sarmat of great power. Whether there will be a continuation of the Bulava at sea is not yet clear, etc. Previously, there were only 6-7 types of liquid-propellant missiles ... The Americans cannot keep up with us, since their emphasis is on the Navy: aircraft carriers, SSBNs. All this requires a lot of money.

[the same doctor]

In principle, silo-based solid-propellant missiles. For mobile complexes, liquid-propellant missiles are needed, as they are more resistant to shaking.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: also a doctor

... For mobile complexes, liquid-propellant missiles are needed, as they are more resistant to shaking.

More resistant to shaking, yes. But less mobile. It takes longer to prepare for start-up, and it is not possible to cancel the start.

[Miragor B]

I think they will be placed on the moon

[1Anatoly1]

In 71-73, I served an urgent service on a liquid 8K63, as a gift for Eurogeans ... :)

[Ricochet]

The work is not carried out - it is bad, the work is carried out - it is still bad, why are they constantly dissatisfied.

[Colonel]

Apparently, the Kedra is going to include a solid-propellant ICBM with unknown flight and combat characteristics.

Cyril, no credit. Usually your articles are literate and interesting.

[Greycat]

This means that the exact shape of the future complex is not yet known even in the Ministry of Defense and in the development organization.
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What about the terms of reference? What is not a clear look?

[anclevalico]

How long has Satan been in service? And Poplar? Commercials, in 10 years, will every 5 years become obsolete? The economy will work only on these missiles, and the people will beg from the trash heaps.