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"Killer of Bayraktar": Russia brings the Orion-E strike drone to the international market

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Russian unmanned aerial vehicle "Orion-E" in the shock version went to the world weapons market. Russia offers foreign customers an export version of the UAV.


Russia has begun promoting the Orion-E UAV to the international market, and there are already orders for the drone. What is it about the strike version of the drone, and not the reconnaissance, which is also exported. According to a source in the defense industry complex, the strike Orion-E has a "universal armament complex", which includes unguided and corrected aerial bombs, as well as various guided missiles.

To date, according to the source, there are several applications for a new Russian drone, deliveries of drones are planned for the end of this - the beginning of next year. At the same time, it is emphasized that Orion-E is superior to foreign counterparts, including the widely advertised Turkish Bayraktar, in terms of the set of indicators "price - quality - board intellectualization".

It is expected that in terms of the totality of indicators (...) "Orion-E" will be one of the best offers on the market and will become "killers" of such competitors as the Turkish "Bayraktar"

- leads RIA News source words in the defense industry.

Orion was created by the Kronstadt company within the framework of the Inokhodets development project under a contract with the Ministry of Defense. The UAV is capable of staying in the air at maximum load for up to 24 hours. Flight altitude - 7,5 thousand meters. The drone has a maximum payload of 450 kg and is capable of carrying four missiles on board.
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  1. rocket757
    rocket757 29 June 2021 09: 47
    +69
    "Killer of Bayraktar": Russia brings the Orion-E strike drone to the international market
    ... Journalists love loud, pretentious headlines ...
    1. SaLaR
      SaLaR 29 June 2021 09: 52
      +26
      And how are things really? Performance characteristics in the studio? How much better and in what way? Who will competently comment? All the same, it's really interesting
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 June 2021 10: 24
        +15
        Time and real checking will show who is the "king" in the sky. Let's wait and see.
        1. For example
          For example 29 June 2021 11: 38
          +11
          Quote: rocket757
          Time and real checking will show who is the "king" in the sky.

          Time has shown who is the "king in the sky"? Su-27 or F15?

          There are no kings in the sky.

          Potential adversaries have planes (UAVs). At each time interval, the opponents' weapons have similar characteristics.
          1. For example
            For example 29 June 2021 11: 41
            +21
            Quote: rocket757
            Journalists love loud, pretentious headlines ...

            Reminded:
            UAZ released Kruzak's killer!
            wassat

            It is not the journalists who write. These are the victims of the exam write. The journalist thinks before writing. But are there many journalists left in this world? winked

            It is more realistic to describe the "killers".
            For example:
            A plastic products factory has released a fly swatter - a killer of flies.
            1. Lionnvrsk
              Lionnvrsk 29 June 2021 14: 25
              +2
              Quote: For example
              It is not the journalists who write. These are the victims of the exam write.

              This author is the victim of the EGE! yes
              Quote: For example
              What does we are talking specifically about the shock version of the drone
              lol With whom are we talking? With a drone? No.
            2. venik
              venik 29 June 2021 20: 36
              +2
              Quote: For example
              It is more realistic to describe the "killers".
              For example: Plant layer

              ========
              Well, what have you pounced on another victim of the exam ?!
              Well, I probably wanted to write that "Orion" will "kill" export potential "Bayraktar" .... Well, it turned out ... Well, in general, how did it happen .... In short: "As always"! ...
          2. rocket757
            rocket757 29 June 2021 12: 01
            0
            Development and release of DIFFERENT weapons systems ... wrote about this, earlier.
          3. ramzay21
            ramzay21 30 June 2021 06: 50
            +6
            If our UAV shows itself in combat conditions better than the Turkish UAV and with better efficiency, then it will be possible to say that Russia has managed to create an UAV superior to the Turkish one, but for now this is just idle chatter of idiots.
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 30 June 2021 08: 38
              +2
              The best judge, this is the time, of course ... but in the case of military equipment, indicators, examples, effective use are still needed!
              Those. while the conversation is without a subject of discussion.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 29 June 2021 21: 16
          -3
          laughing knowing Topvarovtsy, even if Orion becomes an ultimatum machine, you will still throw poop)
      2. Titus_2
        Titus_2 29 June 2021 10: 59
        +9
        I agree with you whether it is from the site "doneunas" and again I have a trivial question what kind of engine is there .... not to mention optics, navigation and communication.
        1. private person
          private person 30 June 2021 12: 24
          0
          I have a trivial question what kind of engine is there .... not to mention optics, navigation and communications.

          All China and Turkey, except for the "Made in Russia" stickers. And yes, our bombs.
      3. llsamsonll
        llsamsonll 29 June 2021 11: 05
        +12
        please, everything is short and clear hi
      4. OgnennyiKotik
        OgnennyiKotik 29 June 2021 11: 36
        -1
        Quote: SaLaR
        And what is the real situation?

        Reality is compared to a snake with a hedgehog, just different classes of UAVs: Orion - MALE and Bayraktar - tactical. Orion is an analogue of the Turkish UAV Anka. Bayraktar is much smaller and lighter. Auto-translation:


        Now the Turks have 5 tactical / MALE class UAVs in serial production. Its production of high-precision weapons from 6,5 kg to 500 kg of bombs, with a range of 6 to 60+ km. A full range of UAVs, weapons, service is ready.
        What is opposed to this by Russia is, to put it mildly, incomprehensible. Orion with very mediocre characteristics, no optical-electronic systems, some kind of bombs with ATGMs, the quality of service is known to everyone. Even without sanctions, the prospects are very weak.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 29 June 2021 21: 17
          0
          laughing collect from Western components .. aha, "our" ..
      5. Aleks2048
        Aleks2048 29 June 2021 21: 47
        +2
        And how are things really? Performance characteristics in the studio? How much better and in what way? Who will competently comment? All the same, it's really interesting

        It makes no sense to go here for such a text for a long time ... hi
        Recently, VO often simply distorts the article from the ordinary press, sometimes even simply translating it by an electronic translator, and even don’t bother to read the result. The level of journalism is not even zero, but threateningly takes on negative values.
        And according to the article, at least for reference, they could give the composition of the complexes, performance characteristics, cost, production capabilities and the possibility of increasing production, not a word was indicated about the price tag of the service. And if all this were in the article, then maybe we ourselves would have decided the "killer" of the bayraktar or the budget of Orion-E.
      6. Pandiurin
        Pandiurin 30 June 2021 00: 41
        +2
        Quote: SaLaR
        And how are things really? Performance characteristics in the studio? How much better and in what way? Who will competently comment? All the same, it's really interesting


        For Armenia or Belarus, Orion is definitely better than Bayraktar. For Ukraine, on the contrary, Orion is worse.

        Many countries will be looking at possible sanctions for cooperation with Rosoboronexport.

        For some reason, it seems that when buying, most often the performance characteristics and the price will not be decisive, no matter how strange it may be.
    2. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 June 2021 09: 59
      +4
      Quote: rocket757
      international market

      And how is the saturation of our army? Or just "ALL FOR SALE"? what
      1. loki565
        loki565 29 June 2021 10: 07
        +9
        And how is the saturation of our army? Or just "ALL FOR SALE"?

        The larger the series, the cheaper the product. If at one time there would have been no Indian contract for the T90, then its release would have been a big question.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 29 June 2021 10: 27
          +1
          This is understandable.
          As if you want your own first, but .... different options, in general.
          Our army is supplied at the proper level.
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 29 June 2021 10: 29
            +3
            Quote: rocket757
            supplied at the proper level.

            I would like to believe .....
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 29 June 2021 10: 56
              0
              So this is not a belief in anything, whatever ... it is or is or not.
        2. parma
          parma 29 June 2021 12: 11
          -5
          Quote: loki565
          And how is the saturation of our army? Or just "ALL FOR SALE"?

          The larger the series, the cheaper the product. If at one time there would have been no Indian contract for the T90, then its release would have been a big question.

          Nonsense ... It is far from always that export decides something in the supply of equipment ... As an example, the American F-22 ... never be exported, even in spite of the requests and pleas from the allies, but today they have produced more of them than the Su-35, which is exported ... and the T-90 you dragged in for nothing .. maybe the T-90, in fact, a modification of the T-72, it is quite clear that it would have been produced without export (provided that tanks were generally produced in our country), until 2006 (when India signed a contract to assemble an additional 1000 tanks) the number of orders for the RF Armed Forces and the Indian Armed Forces were comparable, but later, when the T90 began to be produced relatively massively for export, orders from our Ministry of Defense came in handy, the T-72 modernization program began ...
      2. lucul
        lucul 29 June 2021 10: 24
        -12
        And how is the saturation of our army? Or just "ALL FOR SALE"?

        Yes, we need it mainly in the reconnaissance version, and not in the shock version.
        We have enough striking equipment at this distance (200 km) and without it.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 29 June 2021 10: 27
          +10
          Quote: lucul
          and without it enough

          We don't need anything at all! Around partners! And if cho, how will we give it to Sarmat! fellow
      3. rocket757
        rocket757 29 June 2021 10: 25
        +3
        The army is saturated with new, necessary equipment ..... enough / no, there will never be a consensus.
    3. military_cat
      military_cat 29 June 2021 10: 06
      +8
      Quote: rocket757
      Journalists love loud, pretentious headlines

      Journalists love stamps that have been hackneyed since the days of all kinds of "iPhone killers".
    4. Peak
      Peak 29 June 2021 10: 11
      +7
      Quote: rocket757
      Journalists love loud, pretentious headlines ...


      Quote: SaLaR
      And how are things really? Performance characteristics in the studio?


      In reality, after all, our Orion (a variant for our Armed Forces), in comparison with the same Bayraktar, initially has at least a higher combat load (250/200 kg, versus 150).

      According to the performance characteristics of the Orion-E UAV complex, the official website of JSC Kronstadt provides somewhat contradictory information:

      - dimensions (length, wingspan, height): 8 m, 16,3 m, 3,2 m,
      - takeoff weight: 1000 kg,
      - payload (combat) load: 200 kg,
      - range of application: 250 km,
      - range of use with a UAV-repeater: 300 km,
      - flight duration: 24 hours (with a load of 60 kg),
      - engine power (Rotax 914): 86 kW (115 HP)
      - flight altitude: 7500 m,
      - cruising speed 120 km / h (200 km / h?)


      So, for example, the mass of the payload in various tables is indicated as 200 kg and 250 kg, and the cruising speed as 120 km / h and 200 km / h (perhaps 200 km / h corresponds to the maximum speed of the vehicle).

      But given the current practice, the data suggest that the Orion version for the Russian army may have characteristics that exceed the data for the export version.
      Also, the manufacturer does not indicate the type and range of weapons that this sample is capable of using.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 June 2021 10: 22
        +4
        So the main thing is that we are simultaneously creating various weapons systems that cover neighboring, similar, problems / tasks, with sufficient efficiency !!!
        Those. without significant distortions in one direction.
        This is normal, justified, and trustworthy.
        1. Peak
          Peak 29 June 2021 10: 25
          +4
          Quote: rocket757
          So the main thing is that we are simultaneously creating various weapons systems that cover neighboring, similar, problems / tasks, with sufficient efficiency !!!

          And the plant is being built.
          There will be serial production, during which the current modernization is possible, and it is likely that capacities for new models are planned (reserved?).
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 29 June 2021 10: 58
            0
            This is not a question at all, it should. Such a technique will be in demand, will develop, it will last for a long time.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 29 June 2021 11: 27
            0
            And the plant is being built.

            Well, that's the point. We are building a plant and setting up production, but in Turkey it has been running smoothly for a couple of years.
            In reality, after all, our Orion (a variant for our Armed Forces), in comparison with the same Bayraktar, initially has at least a higher combat load (250/200 kg, versus 150).


            Also, the manufacturer does not indicate the type and range of weapons that this sample is capable of using.

            Again, in Turkey, it is well-oiled and the production of ASP is exactly in the specified load ... well, almost .. 2kg did not fit. And what about Russia's armaments so far is the "dark forest". About Altius they say that his advantage is the ability to use conventional ASPs.
    5. igorspb
      igorspb 29 June 2021 10: 24
      -2
      as well as their readers))
    6. Torins
      Torins 29 June 2021 10: 55
      +4
      The main thing is to prove yourself well in some kind of conflict.
    7. xorek
      xorek 29 June 2021 18: 39
      +1
      Quote: rocket757
      "Killer of Bayraktar": Russia brings the Orion-E strike drone to the international market
      ... Journalists love loud, pretentious headlines ...

      Well, they don't like it, they just won't write something like that .. Otherwise, some territories, using the example of Karabakh, want to spend it all near the borders of Russia!
      Someone will buy and test, then there will be a conversation on the topic .. Russia quickly reacted to the Armenian shame in Karabakh and followed and took into account everything ..
      We'll see ! hi
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 29 June 2021 19: 12
        -4
        There is nothing to react to ... our air defense systems, they burn all this light-engine fraternity, one, two times.
        The only task is to do it cheaper.
        1. xorek
          xorek 29 June 2021 20: 42
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          There is nothing to react to ... our air defense systems, they burn all this light-engine fraternity, one, two times.
          The only task is to do it cheaper.

          Victor agrees! It has always been our trick, cheap and cheerful, but don't show off too much ahead of time .. hi
    8. yehat2
      yehat2 30 June 2021 08: 12
      +2
      Guberniev style. Absolutely sharp-nosed use of journalistic clichés.
  2. Marachuh
    Marachuh 29 June 2021 10: 00
    +14
    He should advertise for him in Syria, as the Turks did in Karabakh. Then you can evaluate. So far, only words.
    1. Peak
      Peak 29 June 2021 10: 18
      +6
      Quote: Marachuh
      He should advertise for him in Syria, as the Turks did in Karabakh. Then you can evaluate. So far, only words.


      Another conflict zone comes to mind, where both Orion and Bayraktar can (under a certain course of confluence of factors and circumstances) "meet" and demonstrate what each of them is capable of.
      1. Rageee
        Rageee 29 June 2021 11: 29
        -5
        Bayraktar has already demonstrated what he is capable of and more than once, even against the enemy with air defense means, it's time for Orion to show himself at least against the Papuans in Syria, who have no air defense means ...
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 29 June 2021 21: 21
          -1
          just against the enemy with air defense, he could not understand anything, suffered losses and its use was curtailed in Syria
          1. Rageee
            Rageee 29 June 2021 21: 51
            +2
            yes, of course, he could not do anything, they just burned dozens of units of Asadite equipment and inflicted damage on the enemy's manpower. The application was curtailed, since the Turks initially did not want further escalation with Russia in Syria, but only wanted to arrange a public flogging of Assad, and they arranged it. Well, and of course there will be losses, the UAV is not a wunderwafe, but quite a consumable within reasonable limits, and without risk to personnel.
            We go further, in Libya it was the intervention of the Turks and the massive use of Bayraktars that turned the tide of the conflict, and Haftar, who was besieging Tripoli, had to scramble all the way to Tobruk. Although the Khaftarites had the same Pantsiri and other air defense weapons, they still could not level the bayraktars, and they shot down a couple of three, but globally this did not change anything.
            Well, the cherry on the cake is the war in Karabakh, which has already brought the Turkish bairaktars world fame ... when dozens and dozens of videos were posted on YouTube of how bairaktars crumble armored vehicles and manpower of Armenians, including the long-suffering Osa and Strela air defense systems ...
            That is, what do we have as a result? that in Syria, that in Libya, that in Karabakh - bayraktars were used in conditions of countering air defense, but not the most advanced, and nevertheless it is so. And in Libya and Karabakh, the use of Turkish UAVs played a very significant role ..
            p / s in the same Syria, where, according to the logic of things, this Orion and other Russian UAVs will be used - there will be no anti-air defense, because the Syrian militants simply do not have it. So it will be much easier for Russian UAVs to prove themselves, albeit with a delay of 3-5 years, even from the Turks, but still we are waiting.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 29 June 2021 22: 04
              -1
              laughing it was the Turks who eventually said that they did not want escalation, but in fact they set the task of knocking out the SAA at least to their previous positions, and ideally, they created new ones and they created losses in the first days, until the Syrians pulled up their air defense, after which they curtailed their use. By the way .. it's always funny ... "ah the Turks, the Americans, the Germans, the Chinese, great fellows," but as soon as the matter is about the Russians, fu fu fu, they can't do anything .. what can I say, there are no greater Russophobes than Russians ..
            2. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 29 June 2021 22: 06
              +2
              Troll sits there, there is no point in wasting time on it.
              Quote: Rageee
              but they still could not level the bayraktars, and they knocked down a couple of three, but globally it did not change anything.

              More than 20 units of Bayraktar were lost in Libya, at Haftar at least 6 Wing Long 1/2 was lost. But in fact, the offensive of the Turks was stopped only by the threat of Egypt entering the war. By the way, there is no information what exactly the Pantsiri shot down Tb2.
              Quote: Rageee
              other Russian UAVs - there will be no anti-air defense, because the Syrian militants simply do not have it.

              It depends on what kind of militants. In Idlib, eagles and outposts regularly fall, the accuracy of their fall suggests the use of Turkish REP. And the Idlibskys have stingers in service. The Turks can transmit information about the location of Orion from their radar stations, shoot down "proxies". Without radar, Orion would be forced to fly below the clouds.
    2. alexmach
      alexmach 29 June 2021 11: 28
      +3
      On the way in Central Asia, it is necessary to deploy a grouping, first of all, of reconnaissance vehicles. Well, in Syria as a whole, they should also be useful.
  3. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 29 June 2021 10: 05
    +4
    They will become the "killers of the Bayraktars", do not understand in what sense? On the battlefield or in the sense of the global arms market?
    1. tlauicol
      tlauicol 29 June 2021 10: 06
      0
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      They will become the "killers of the Bayraktars", do not understand in what sense? On the battlefield or in the sense of the global arms market?

      In words
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 29 June 2021 10: 18
      +5
      The article will become. While there is an interest of unnamed countries. Algeria has already bought WingLongs and UAE heavy drones.


      Egypt bought at least 8 WingLongs (on satellite images and reports) - with high-profile articles with plans for 108-124 UAVs with assembly in Egypt.


      Myanmar bought a package of CH-3 + probably several CH4.


      Iran itself produces and sells all types of UAVs. Including those tested in real battles, and new ones made already on the basis of the experience gained. By the way, I wonder through whom they receive SATCOM. Through private traders, Chinese or not yet functional - a groundwork for the future?


      As a result, Syria, Armenia, Batko remain (but they have their own UAVs).
      1. Peak
        Peak 29 June 2021 10: 30
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        While there is an interest of unnamed countries. Algeria has already bought WingLongs and UAE heavy drones.

        Quote: donavi49
        As a result, Syria, Armenia, Batko remain (but they have their own UAVs).


        The political situation and, consequently, weapon preferences tend to change.
        Who could, for example, have guessed that occupied Iraq would again show interest in Russian weapons, even despite the dictates of the United States?

        Therefore, the list of potential buyers may change.
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 29 June 2021 10: 50
          +4
          Therefore, the list of potential buyers may change.


          In the free market, yes. You can compete and enjoy local advantages. However, military-technical cooperation with Russia has now been made toxic because of the ridiculous sanctions. Here you need to buy 20 MALE UAVs, you can buy from the Chinese, Israelis, Turks or Russians, even cheaper and better, but for this caatsa arrive. And now your banking sector is losing ratings, interest rates on loans are growing, contracts with the United States or affiliated companies are not signed, and investors are leaving.

          That is, it's one thing when a country is already under sanctions and there is no choice. Another is when a country like Nigeria, for example, which even "amusing" sanctions of the level of problems with loans, ratings and contracts, will hit very hard. Indonesia wondered and abandoned the Su-35 with such an addition. The second option, when there is a package purchase, there is already a profit from weapons / projects for 5-7 billion more than the sanctions imposed by the United States.

          Orion has 2 big problems here:
          1) High competition for potential partners. Iran and China work in the segment of the enemies of the United States and the Western world.
          2) I was late. That is, the main customers have already bought the UAV. You named Iraq - he bought CH4 in China. And now the war is over.



          Or Nigeria, again bought WingLongs.


          Venezuela is hooked on the Iranians, there is 100% Mohajer 2 and probably there is or they are carrying Mohajer 6.


          Philippines bought Hermes 900. Well, etc.
    3. Retvizan 8
      Retvizan 8 29 June 2021 11: 08
      -4
      What kind of bills are minus?
      Just asked a question. But the main thing was that no one wrote the answer.
      As the outstanding Vladimir Vysotsky sang "well, crazy, what can you take" laughing
    4. Normann
      Normann 29 June 2021 15: 23
      +1
      How can they become killers on the battlefield, because they were not created for this at all)
      1. Retvizan 8
        Retvizan 8 29 June 2021 15: 36
        0
        Well, that's what I'm asking about.
        So all the same "killers" in terms of very dangerous competitors?
        1. Pandiurin
          Pandiurin 30 June 2021 00: 52
          +1
          Well, this is a famous meme, it started with
          "iPhone killer". In a commercial sense, of course. There were several sophisticated models of smartphones from different manufacturers, which journalists predicted commercial success over the iPhone. But the stub lovers showed loyalty)
  4. Well done
    Well done 29 June 2021 10: 09
    +1
    We must first make an advertisement for him in real combat conditions, maybe then he will "outshine" Bayraktar.
  5. yfast
    yfast 29 June 2021 10: 30
    +1
    Quote: Welldone
    We must first make an advertisement for him in real combat conditions, maybe then he will "outshine" Bayraktar.
    To start a new war for this? In Donbass it is impossible, in Syria, like air defense, the abreks do not have.
  6. Xlor
    Xlor 29 June 2021 10: 48
    -8
    Quote: PRO_CONSUL
    "Killer of Bayraktar"

    What are the successes of combat use? How many wars has he won?

    You will soon find out about this in Donbass ... wink
  7. iouris
    iouris 29 June 2021 10: 59
    0
    Chickens are counted in the fall ... Good luck! In the autumn.
  8. markant1970
    markant1970 29 June 2021 11: 00
    -1
    Many pistol manufacturers have positioned their products as "Glock killers" wassat
  9. maiman61
    maiman61 29 June 2021 11: 30
    +2
    Of course, I'm glad that our drones are competing with foreign ones. BUT! During the incident with the English trough, there was shooting from a drone and the quality of the picture, to put it mildly, was rubbish! Buyers are not stupid, they are buying fired weapons that have been in battle. I'm sure they won't like the quality of the shooting.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 29 June 2021 22: 07
      -5
      lol so they need a means of murder or a phone with a camera?)))
      1. maiman61
        maiman61 30 June 2021 12: 39
        +2
        You can not understand. This is not for average minds.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 30 June 2021 12: 53
          -2
          well, you figured out the "average mind" then)
  10. KyopamTbia
    KyopamTbia 29 June 2021 11: 51
    +3
    Our brave advertising and boasting is no different from Ukrop.
  11. KyopamTbia
    KyopamTbia 29 June 2021 11: 55
    +1
    Let them sell to the republics of the DPR LPR.

    They will need it more.
  12. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 29 June 2021 12: 45
    +1
    Funny headline.
    Now, if a video of the combat work of this "killer" would come out of each iron, then yes, and marketing is not competitive.
    Although, on the other hand, the nifiga market is not competitive, there are too many additional circumstances for the buyer to choose one or another option. And the task of our sellers is to correctly use these very circumstances.
  13. InputRapid
    InputRapid 29 June 2021 13: 42
    -1
    this is not the killer of Bayraktar, this is the phallic serpent strangler laughing
  14. Ivanushka Ivanov
    Ivanushka Ivanov 29 June 2021 14: 08
    -3


    30 years ago in the USSR, this last word in technology was done with a bang by pioneers in aircraft modeling circles. And what was not there, what they (the pioneers) just didn’t get up to. Where did it all go?

    Well, the author compares green to sour. IMHO against relatively small drones - conditionally, each "risk" group (for which it will be "too fat" to drive serious equipment on an ongoing basis) should be assigned: a pair (on shift duty) of the most primitive (reliable) quadrocopters-radar + a small missile launcher installation - a knapsack with honeycombs - rackets for 20. But this probably already exists.

    The theme - "drone versus drone" for protection from drones - IMHO is not entirely correct for mass use. Why? The attacking side - narrow specialists - choose the target of the attack themselves, or receive a task, then prepare, adjust the technique, study the situation. Based on the concept of "drone versus drone", it turns out that in all areas of the side that may be attacked by drones, there must be people no less qualified and trained with the appropriate technology, and so on. Vigilant. Which is technically impossible for many reasons.
  15. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 29 June 2021 18: 17
    0
    If so, then
    The internal combustion engine must already be local ...
  16. Adimius38
    Adimius38 29 June 2021 20: 19
    -1
    Something I doubt that will be the best .... as always, some show-off.
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 30 June 2021 01: 00
      +1
      Quote: Adimius38
      Something I doubt that will be the best .... as always, some show-off.


      The set of characteristics is a long list. It is obvious that somewhere it will be better, somewhere worse, but in some ways it is identical.

      Bayraktar has an undeniable advantage, already a well-known brand on the market and advertised with examples of practical application. At least the Turks tried to post vidos with successful use (the destruction of the bayraktar and their mistakes were not advertised). It will be difficult to compete with such a "flawless" product.
  17. spectr
    spectr 29 June 2021 20: 50
    0
    I wouldn't be surprised if all interested parties through the front countries ordered them for testing.
  18. 123456789
    123456789 29 June 2021 22: 30
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    [media = https: //youtu.be/nPIaf5PUOxk]
    Winged hunters. Special Report - Russia 24
  19. Mekey Iptyshev
    Mekey Iptyshev 30 June 2021 05: 02
    +1
    Good day. This is my first comment on Topvar.
    When mass media advertised "Bayraktary" in Karabakh, I saw videos where militiamen tried unsuccessfully to shoot down from improvised means. Well, etc.
    At the same time, it can be seen from the cameras that the drones do not work for tens of kilometers, but hang in several kilometers.
    If we take the size of the drones and their speed (according to the performance characteristics from Wikipedia, etc.), then they are approximately comparable to the planes in World Wars 1 and 2. Something tells me that the 45-year-old air defense, armed with 85, 88 mm anti-aircraft guns, well-oiled systems of visual observation of the sky could hit all modern drones. Again, the engagement zones of 85mm Soviet anti-aircraft guns and later large-caliber models say they could destroy modern Orion and Bayraktar drones.
    Or I'm wrong? Observer posts with binoculars, communications and fire from large-caliber anti-aircraft guns. Given the development of explosives and loading systems, is it not easier to revive large-caliber anti-aircraft guns by installing tanks on the chassis? Roughly speaking, a large-caliber Shilka, with a firing range of up to 12-16 km, instead of 14,5-30 mm guns
    1. DominickS
      DominickS 30 June 2021 15: 19
      0
      We have already tried and more than once to increase the caliber of anti-aircraft artillery - it did not justify itself. The increased weight of the projectile limits the range and accuracy of destruction, especially for fast and highly maneuverable targets. It is more efficient to use shells of a smaller caliber, but with programmable detonation, even if it is more expensive. As for drones, the video usually shows the very moment of hitting the target, but the OLS or radar of a modern UAV, as a rule, allows you to detect a target in advance at a much greater range.
  20. Just a Traveler
    Just a Traveler 30 June 2021 10: 34
    0
    Orion can be brought to the level of sales only by the most severe dumping.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 30 June 2021 14: 06
      0
      100% localization will give a ruble cost price ... and the ability to equip armies at once ... and this is not all can. In addition, there are no restrictions on exports from third countries.

      Not everything is so bad