"Epic fiasco": the Russian Defense Ministry commented on the provocation of the British destroyer D36 Defender

The Russian Ministry of Defense, commenting on the provocation of a British destroyer in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea, called it an "epic fiasco" that will remain a "scent stain" on the reputation of the Royal British Navy for a long time. This was stated by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.

The epic fiasco of the provocation of the British destroyer Defender in the Black Sea, which abruptly changed course from Russian territorial waters after warning shots (...) will remain a scent stain on the reputation of the Royal Navy for a long time

- quotes the Ministry of Defense as saying Konashenkov.

A spokesman for the Russian defense department called the British destroyer a "fat target" for the anti-ship complexes of the Black Sea fleet and stressed that the command of the British Navy knows this very well. Konashenkov called on London and the Pentagon "not to tempt fate" following the lead of "the Ukrainian admirals of the mosquito fleet."

According to the general, the Pentagon's attempts to pass off warning firing at the British destroyer as disinformation look convulsive amid the publication of a video recording of the actions of the Russian side. Even with evidence, Washington and London continue to argue otherwise.

Recall that the British Department of Defense continues to assert that the destroyer Defender did not enter Russian territorial waters, and there was no warning fire.

Comments

[From Tomsk]

Getman Sagaidachny top, if it breaks away from the pier, then the whole Crimea will return to Vladivostok itself))

[xorek]

will remain a scent stain on the reputation of the Royal Navy for a long time

Well, not for long, but it is necessary to prepare for new provocations of the Naglo-Saxons
They just won't lag behind Russia!

[NIKN]

Konashenkov urged London and the Pentagon "not to tempt fate" following the lead of the Ukrainian admirals of the mosquito fleet

Something I doubt that they went about Ukraine, it’s not the other way around ...

[Alex777]

But who whines to the whole world that they were all abandoned and are not protected from Russia at all.
There is such an amazing country ...
And Britain's bleak position is really something.
When Johnson slept with Cameron's wife, he behaved the same way. Realistically and globally: there was nothing, I know nothing.

[NIKN]

I looked through our reaction at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. , I still did not understand whether we are ready to answer or not.? How would you think for yourself, or anything concrete .. Generally confused ...

[Alex777]

This is how ours work in their own way.
We sat and waited until everyone whose ears were sticking out in this operation will speak out to the whole world with their "peace-loving version", and then our movie was shown with shooting.
The topic was promoted in the press with money from the States and Britain, and ours put an end to it.
It turned out fine, as in my opinion.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Here are the scoundrels, these British provocateurs! Shit - and in the bushes! However, all provocateurs always do so!

[den3080]

I watched several videos on YouTube.
maximum 2 reflect real events, in my unenlightened opinion.
the rest of the iksperds were stuffed ... from Basalt to Caliber ... and ships, respectively.
WHAT FOR??

[And Us Rat]

Quote: xorek

will remain a "fragrant spot" for a long time

But outside of the Russian Federation, no one (from ordinary people) will ever know about this "spot". Whoever controls the information field sets the atmosphere of what is happening.

[xorek]

Quote: And Us Rat

Who controls the information field, he sets the atmosphere of what is happening

Yes, we know who controls the information field in the world .. Just by the names of the owners of information platforms, everything immediately becomes clear
Before the collapse of the USSR, all the media were literally crammed with them .. Well, in the 90s, when the dances on the bones began. People with specific surnames already officially bought up TV channels and newspapers, AND BEGINNING !!!

[Finches]

Joking aside, although I am already in deep reserves (but not yet retired), I really want to go to war in Ukraine, not against the Ukrainians, but against the Anglo-Saxon and Nazi zombies who have seized Ukraine! Ordinary is ready to go, although in the war he was assigned as the commander of a separate battalion or regiment! "I feel such dislike that I cannot eat!"

[lis-ik]

Quote: Finches

Joking aside, although I am already in deep reserves (but not yet retired), I really want to go to war in Ukraine, not against the Ukrainians, but against the Anglo-Saxon and Nazi zombies who have seized Ukraine! Ordinary is ready to go, although in the war he was assigned as the commander of a separate battalion or regiment! "I feel such dislike that I cannot eat!"

Under the current government, your dream is unlikely to come true ..

[Finches]

Because Uncle Vova is a KGB officer, and Shoigu, with all due respect, a jacket!

[lis-ik]

Quote: Finches

Because Uncle Vova is a KGB officer, and Shoigu, with all due respect, a jacket!

No, that's not why. Greedy, cowardly, mean, and they have everything there. In the sense of an adversary, in the west.

[Finches]

This is not about them, but I wrote the correct reason

[lis-ik]

Quote: Finches

This is not about them, but I wrote the correct reason

Certainly not about them, and not about their EP, and not about their "friends". from which they are delivered.

[Finches]

If I am not mistaken, they were set up in a democratic way, called - elections! (This is if about GDP, and the post of Minister of Defense is appointed by the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, who is moonlighting by the President of Russia for 0,5 times)

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Finches

If I am not mistaken, they were set up in a democratic way, called - elections!

You, forgive me, are a potential commander of a separate battalion or regiment (communications ???), but democratic elections are held within one day (this is, if by law). And there is also time for pre-election campaigning (without any primaries), which determines the business qualities of a candidate ...
You would point out without irony what this is:

Recall that the British Department of Defense continues to assert that the destroyer Defender did not enter Russian territorial waters, and there was no warning fire.

??
And I'll tell you, as an officer who has been retired a long time ago. I will say, maybe (for you personally), unpleasant "news": the entry of the GB destroyer into the territorial waters of the Russian Federation means that in this very GB Crimea is not recognized as Russian territory, and that is why, there (in GB) they consider their actions legitimate.
It remains to find out WHY PROPERLY?
Maybe the bombs were of the wrong power, or the shells of the wrong caliber? Or is it still time to deal with the "wolves" (someone still has doubts that GB are not our bosom partners ???): either - "do not make the world, like skinning them down"; or - "to live with wolves - howl like a wolf."
And most likely, there is no need to rush to send ships with LNG and planes with gold for such visits, which are a direct provocation?
And, if the Supreme Commander-in-Chief had to work part-time, then in addition to words, it is time to learn how to dare uninvited guests, no matter how it spoils relations with "respected and worthy citizens from Russia" living in London.

PS No response required ...

[mole]

Quote: lis-ik

Certainly not about them, and not about their EP, and not about their "friends". from which they are delivered.

Judging by the cons, friends of "friends" monitor this resource.
Only a critical review "against" and a bunch of minuses without arguments and discussion.

[carstorm 11]

It will be so under any power. Do you really think that the country is ready to declare war? And who is 404 ???

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: carstorm 11

It will be so under any power. Do you really think that the country is ready to declare war?

Is the country ready to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity? Here, not a fishing schooner with empty holds and torn nets invaded the territorial waters of Russia. A lethal weapon was waved in front of our noses.

[Mikle2000]

++++ I feel such dislike that I cannot eat!

Do I understand that the people who seized Russia do not cause such disgust in you?

[Finches]

You understand correctly!

[Bradley]

Jokes as a joke, although I am already in deep reserves (but not yet retired), I really want to go to war in Ukraine, not against the Ukrainians, but against the Anglo-Saxon and Nazi zombies who have seized Ukraine! Ordinary is ready to go, although in the war he was assigned as the commander of a separate battalion or regiment! "I feel such dislike that I cannot eat!" laughing

Why do you need it? Did you think about your wife, children, grandchildren? You know, they kill in war ...
Well, so, you can enroll in the ranks of the LPR / DPR, there the chances of fighting with Ukraine are many times greater!

[Finches]

I am a career and professional military man, a senior officer, I am not a soldier of fortune ... I expressed my opinion about a normal, "human" war. Its declaration, within the framework of international law, of one state to another non-state, with all the attributes: mobilization, etc.

[Bradley]

I am a career and professional military man, a senior officer, I am not a soldier of fortune ...

Let's be realistic, bullet no matter what the target's rank. A stray bullet / projectile is a common thing in war.

I expressed my opinion about a normal, "human" war. Its declaration, within the framework of international law, of one state to another non-state, with all the attributes: mobilization, etc. hi

Well, it doesn't change anything. Someone will have to fight, someone will have to die. For what?
I don’t want to be in Kiev, for example, and be blown up by an IED in an armored personnel carrier. I don't want such a fate for my friends either.

[Free wind]

Are the Ukrainians taking over our country? Doesn't it bother you that the Chinese are taking over Russia? Or you are a faithful intruder. Well, for a policeman's and prosecutor's pension, many here are tearing their asses. Only now you have to retire at the age of 70, parasites.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Wow ... And who are you by profession, dear?

[Thompson]

He is essentially a draft

[tolmachiev51]

I am with you, although already retired !!! - "father of a soldier".

[Real Pilot]

But really, an epic fiasco.
Small news occasion, under journalists and calling in Odessa.

They wanted big news and provocation, but got an ordinary naval accident with the expulsion of an impudent intruder ...

And subsequent comments from the British Secretary of Agriculture. He's probably not a pro in the ships. His business is land surveying and the boundaries of land plots ... Out of habit, he talks about the sea.

But, on the whole, the news feed turned out to be sour. It didn't work to portray something formidable and solid ...

[Fungus]

The Brita said that they will continue to swim like this. So we will drown.

[Cananecat]

Quote: Fungus

So we will drown.

Why drown, they themselves will drown from the mine that fell from the anchor during the Second World War.
And at the trial we will all be witnesses from the side of the mine. )))

[CYM]

Why drown, they themselves will drown from the mine that fell from the anchor during the Second World War.

The most joke will be that they will run into a mine in the "Ukraine's waters" (as they themselves believe). And who is to blame?

[Zhan]

The Brita said that they will continue to swim like this.

Well said..
As they float, they will go to the bottom too ..

[Gardamir]

So we will drown.

[Prisoner]

Our people go to the seas, oceans, and the Brits decided to swim. If only he could explain to them who, what it floats in the hole.

[Motorist]

Quote: Captive

it floats in the hole

Controversial, Prisoner. I have already discussed this topic with someone. They wish the sailors a happy voyage, not the one in the hole.

[Prisoner]

What for? It's okay. The attitude to the wish of a happy voyage on the part of the military men is also ambiguous.

[Motorist]

Quote: Captive

The attitude to the wish of a happy voyage on the part of the military men is also ambiguous.

I hope that the warriors at least have nothing against the film "Solo Voyage" ...

[Gardener91]

Quote: Motorist

Happy sailing wish to sailors

Well, right, sailing ... on the seas.

[Aviator_]

The FSB officers, to whom the border guards belong, showed the shooting, so it was. The flight was also shown. But the explosions of OFAB-250 directly along the course of the intruder were not shown by our VKS, although in any case there should be a photo control of the bombing. Has your camera broken? In that case, it was not worth talking about the bombs, since the documents were not presented.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

It's just that the cameras were built into the bonbs themselves.

[El Chuvachino]

Uh-huh, film

[Aag]

Quote: Aviator_

The FSB officers, to whom the border guards belong, showed the shooting, so it was. The flight was also shown. But the explosions of OFAB-250 directly along the course of the intruder were not shown by our VKS, although in any case there should be a photo control of the bombing. Has your camera broken? In that case, it was not worth talking about the bombs, since the documents were not presented.

In the video in the news, the barrel (s) of the arts were raised by 40-45 degrees during firing. From what distance did they shoot? Or into the air, and not on the course? A voice from the second ship warned?
... From the article: "... abruptly changed course from Russian territorial waters ...". And according to the trackers flashing on the network, the course change is 20-30 degrees ...
One gets the impression that our media, departments "accepted the challenge" and "play" according to the proposed rules, who will misinterpret whom ...

[Aviator_]

I was also alarmed by shots of shooting from an AK-630 at a distance of more than 20 cables, but then they showed at least something. And nothing at all about bombs.

[Bad_gr]

In my opinion, at least put a car recorder on an airplane (I generally keep quiet about ships, it would be possible to shoot on a smartphone) so that we have a normal video, and not what we are shown.

[Aviator_]

Since the end of the 40s, bombers have always had an AFA (aerial camera), and now, even more so, only a digital one. To remove the result of the blow is (or, at least, where the bombs went) is an extremely necessary thing in any situation.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Aviator_

Since the end of the 40s, bombers have always had an AFA (aerial camera), now - even more so, only a digital one.

I do not argue. Where are these frames? From what was shown about warning shots, we see shots from a rapid-fire gun somewhere upward and away from the Englishman. No wonder they did not even realize that it was a warning shot, not a salute. About bombs on the course of the ship - only talk.
If I missed something from the video, I will be grateful for the link.

[Marconi41]

Quote: Bad_gr

No wonder they did not even realize that it was a warning shot, not a salute.

This is how warning shooting is done. And the brits are not in this business, they got everything right

[The leader of the Redskins]

Koschenkov did not say exactly whose epic fiasco occurred? So everything is okay. And the sofa hamsters are happy, and their opponents are satisfied.

[Okolotochny]

Should I show you everything?

[Okolotochny]

In addition to fighting "sofa squirrels", since we are hamsters - I recently watched the story of one historian, meaning - out of almost six hundred frontier posts on the western border at the beginning of the Second World War, about fifty fiercely resisted in a few days. The rest were crushed by tanks, aircraft, etc. Why aren't you laughing? Is the intruder found here? Yes, did you open warning fire? Yes, the intruder expelled? Yes. The problem is different, many countries began to rule the principles of Tik Tok - hype, likes, crash. What kind of devil one has to be to consciously, consciously endanger several hundred servicemen and property worth a yard? I feel sorry for England, in a country with a great history in power such .... individuals. And finally, it is better to write further behind the shoes, it was a good article, without sarcasm. And stop catching anti-Russian hype on VO.

[mark1]

Quote: Aviator_

And nothing at all about bombs.

And about bombs - why OFAB? You can't really put it close, and there is no sense far away. Everything is dull and not intelligible ...

[Aviator_]

And about bombs - why OFAB?

Yes, this is exactly what our side stated. In my opinion - just invented, since there is no video confirmation.

[poquello]

Quote: Aviator_

I was also alarmed by shots of shooting from an AK-630 at a distance of more than 20 cables

and what alerted you?
"can be used to engage air targets at an inclined range of up to 4000 m and light enemy surface forces at distances of up to 5000 m."

[Aviator_]

Do they see bursts from 30 mm shells at this range?

[poquello]

Quote: Aviator_

Do they see bursts from 30 mm shells at this range?

they all saw and heard, and listened to the radio

[Aag]

[Quote] [/ quote]
Thanks for the numbers ..

[Gardener91]

Quote: Aviator_

And nothing at all about bombs.

Bombs for a snack, they are in free fall until the next Johnson mumbles with a viper in the spirit of overcoming the Ukrainians. So we are waiting (s).

[Aag]

Quote: Aviator_

I was also alarmed by shots of shooting from an AK-630 at a distance of more than 20 cables, but then they showed at least something. And nothing at all about bombs.

... I don't even know which is cheaper, more effective, to drop 500 kg of bombs, to concoct a video confirmation, or simply to shower the media with endings, victorious reports ... It works, judging by some of the comments here!)))
... Kind of sarcasm ...
Meanwhile, while I am writing this, according to Vesti FM, for the third time they are broadcasting about the owls forgotten at the bus stop. a secret folder with B. Johnson's orders ...
So far, however, information about the "passer-by" who discovered the document has not been disclosed ... I would not want to slip into cheap populism (... they can, but I can't?), But the question arises: Petrov and Boshirov are there again?))

[lucul]

And according to the trackers flashing on the network, the course change is 20-30 degrees ...

Watch the video from the UAV - there, on the wake, you can clearly see how much the destroyer turned away)))

[pipetro]

He lifted the barrel so high that civilian ships would not fly in (before the warning fire, there was a warning for them not to come close)

[kig]

Quote: AAG

barrel (trunks) arts when firing were lifted up by 40-45 degrees

Well, someone (most likely the most important on all sides) shouted several times "not to let the Defender hit !!!!" Orders must be carried out, so they commanded "elevation angle of forty" - if I am not mistaken, this just means lifting the barrel up to 40 degrees. In the FSB video there is a moment when the barrel of the cannon jerked slightly to the right, but immediately returned to the center plane. Probably, the sailors themselves really wanted to shoot "straight ahead", but alas ... they ordered "fire", here you have fire. And where and why - the colonel knows.

[KKND]

Quote: Aviator_

The flight was also shown.

And where can you see the Su-24 flight near the Defender?

[Aviator_]

Boris Rozhin (colonelcassad)

[KKND]

Quote: Aviator_

Boris Rozhin (colonelcassad)

Thank you, you probably mean this video:
Anyone can confirm that this is the Su-24. I got the impression that there is generally a tandem and not a spark. It would be nice to figure it out, real experts sometimes come here to the forum ...
Yes, there is a campaign PGO is something like the Su-30 and not the Su-24.
I didn’t mean the Su-24 is being filmed.
The question is removed, it is really visible that something similar to the Su-24 is flying with the Su-27 \ 30 \ 35.

[Aviator_]

Yes this. The color shots were clearly taken from the twin, there is no time for the pilot to swing the camera, the black-and-white shots with the aiming mark - it looks like from a drone, there are also a couple of aircraft visible there, but the quality is such that the type of aircraft cannot be identified. One of them is probably the one. that he was shooting, and the second is the one that was supposed to bomb.

[KKND]

Quote: Aviator_

Colored shots are clearly taken from the spark,

There is no spark on the Su-24, here is a tandem. Another PGO can be seen most likely this is a Su-30 of some kind.

Quote: Aviator_

One of them is probably the one. that he was shooting, and the second is the one that was supposed to bomb.

At 0.27, 2 planes fly by, the first is very difficult to identify but the keel is one, so most likely either the Su-24 or the Su-25, the second plane is 2 keel and is very similar to the Su-27 family.
Also at 0.07 uniquely Su-24

[Aviator_]

There is no spark on the Su-24, here is a tandem.

Sparks are traditionally called two-seater combat training vehicles, and how the crew sits there - next to or one after the other - is the tenth thing.

[KKND]

Quote: Aviator_

Sparks are traditionally called two-seater combat training vehicles, and how the crew sits there - next to or one after the other - is the tenth thing.

It's good that knowledgeable people still visit this site

[kig]

Quote: KKND

2 planes are flying by, the first is very difficult to identify

No need to argue, everything was filmed by attentive correspondents from the destroyer

[Aag]

[Quote] [/ quote]
Please give a definition: "SPARKA", "Tandem", "PAIR". ...
Well, remember, - did any textbook begin with definitions? Before arguing, it is necessary, stupidly, to decide WHAT the dispute is about! (Well, of course, if we are not against a specific person "arguing" ... ..

[Aag]

Quote: KKND

Quote: Aviator_

Colored shots are clearly taken from the spark,

There is no spark on the Su-24, here is a tandem. Another PGO can be seen most likely this is a Su-30 of some kind.

Quote: Aviator_

One of them is probably the one. that he was shooting, and the second is the one that was supposed to bomb.

At 0.27, 2 planes fly by, the first is very difficult to identify but the keel is one, so most likely either the Su-24 or the Su-25, the second plane is 2 keel and is very similar to the Su-27 family.
Also at 0.07 uniquely Su-24

Once again, please, for sure, missed my question (not spets. In VKS terminology): - the difference between "twin" and "tandem" ..?)
Without any kind of jokes ... Simply, in normal times, any textbook began with theomin, definitions ...

[KKND]

Quote: AAG

Once again, please, for sure, missed my question (not spets. In VKS terminology): - the difference between "twin" and "tandem" ..?)
Without any kind of jokes ... Simply, in normal times, any textbook began with theomin, definitions ...

Why are you so obstinate in our conversation with the Aviator? I've already scribbled more than enough comments on the forum ... Google it if you don't know. The tandem arrangement, one after another in the direction of the aircraft's length, the spark-aviator correctly wrote, I confused with the shoulder-to-shoulder arrangement, that is, in the direction perpendicular to the aircraft length. I confused the twin location of the crew with twin guns in armored vehicles, they are also perpendicularly placed in the direction of length, but this is not about aviation.
We have an aviator no no dispute, the issue is resolved and quickly.

[pipetro]

Are you seriously? There is a video from the BBC where the dryers fly by. Banned on Google?

[ccsr]

Quote: Aviator_

Has your camera broken? In that case, it was not worth talking about the bombs, since the documents were not presented.

Well, you are just like a little child - who will give permission to remove the neck from the tape and present it in the media? There, all the materials on this case were immediately classified and no one would be allowed to see them until the end of the commission's work. The rate was too high if during the bombing they caused damage to the ship and then it is not known how it would have gone further. That is why such materials are immediately confiscated and only then investigated according to the established procedure.
Think for yourself, what was the point of coming up with this, if the British themselves recorded the explosions of bombs, but are silent, because it is not profitable for them. Yes, and NATO drones probably recorded this entire passage, and they also have it all.

[KKND]

Quote: ccsr

Well, you are just like a kid - who will give permission to remove the neck from the tape and present it in the media? There, all the materials on this case were immediately classified and no one would be allowed to see them until the end of the commission's work. The rate was too high if during the bombing they caused damage to the ship and then it is not known how it would have gone further.

So can you explain in simple language what is the secrecy of the film of how the Su-24 throws unguided bombs?

[ccsr]

Quote: KKND

So can you explain in simple language what is the secrecy of the film of how the Su-24 throws unguided bombs?

Yes, you understand that in such situations everything is confiscated and sealed, so that later you do not get a hat for ILLEGAL actions of the same bomber crew. I do not know how they operate now, but in any emergency in aviation in Soviet times, even the materials of meteorologists who gave permission for flights were completely confiscated. I don’t think that now the order in the videoconferencing is different, which is why they have not yet given permission to publish these photographs.

[barclay]

I agree. The bombing described in the media, which no one has seen, raises many questions. Either it was not there at all, or these bombs were dropped somewhere beyond the observation horizon of this destroyer. The reporter who was on board would definitely have filmed it.
The shooting, which was fired into the sky with a finger, also turned out to be inconspicuous for the British.
First, there is a huge distance. Secondly, in a different direction. Thirdly, shots are fired into the air. The result of such a shooting will be 0. And the Brits can take this only for a salute in their honor, and then if they hear it.

So what was "epic" is still to be seen.

[barclay]

And yet, the impression is that our border guard is very far behind the British. This destroyer has a speed of over 30 knots, while ours has only 28.
When we make the same powerful and fast ships, then maybe they will begin to respect us more. Until then ... only "ceremonial lectures".

[lopvlad]

Quote: barclay

over 30 knots, and ours only has 28

the difference in speed of less than 4 kilometers is nothing where the "detached runner" is not difficult to fill up the "slug" from the armament.

[kig]

The border guard shot, one of these

This is a still from a video taken by an Air Force correspondent from the ship. The destroyer has a maximum speed, according to the reference book, "more than 32 knots", the border guard has 28. The difference is small, but far behind. Either on purpose, or the destroyer immediately turned on full speed. He has a gas turbine engine, so it accelerates quickly.
Although at the beginning of the route they were accompanied by someone more serious

[lopvlad]

Quote: barclay

So what was "epic" is still to be seen.

what was seen by the whole, namely the "victorious" campaign of Defender, who repeated the fate of Donald Cook's campaign in the spring of 2014, and no less "victorious" campaign through the Kerch Strait of the Ukrainian military "fleet".
The West still cannot believe that Russia will use all military means and methods in protecting Crimea. They still believe that if the degree of military confrontation is increased, then the Kremlin will tremble and ask for mercy like Gorbachev surrendering everyone, everything and everyone.

[barclay]

Quote: lopvlad

what was seen by the whole, namely the "victorious" campaign of Defender, who repeated the fate of Donald Cook's campaign in the spring of 2014 ...

Stop retelling the Cook tales. The fact that everything allegedly turned off for him, and then half of the team quit is a journalistic duck. There was nothing serious with him.

Quote: lopvlad

Defender's "victorious" campaign, who repeated the fate ...

He just calmly repeated the provocative passage, similar to last year's, about which we generally preferred to remain silent.
It passed relatively calmly due to the lack of anything of the kind in our Navy in terms of power and class. And our actions were, to put it mildly, not very convincing.
The next time the Defender rushes to the point that it rushes to the Kerch bridge. We will not shoot at him again, otherwise they will announce sanctions to us. Will we stop it with barges on its way?

[lopvlad]

Quote: barclay

Stop retelling the Cook tales. The fact that everything allegedly turned off for him, and then half of the team quit the journalistic duck. There was nothing serious with him.

what only his team knew on board Cook, and we only know about his rapid march to the shores of the Crimea and an equally rapid turn with a rapid retreat back to where he came from.
And again this wonderful maneuver was seen by the whole world.

[lopvlad]

Quote: barclay

It passed relatively calmly due to the lack of anything of the kind in our Navy in terms of power and class.

again, this crazy hurray-liberalism when even the latest western junk is perceived as something impeccable and completely powerful and modern Russian weapons as something outdated and incapable of anything. The task set to the Russian military and border guards was not to destroy the British trough but to to push it out of our waters and it was successfully completed. The task of destroying one missile of the same Bastion complex would be enough to solve the problem quickly and dramatically, because only an aircraft carrier could survive a hole in the hull into which a railway carriage could pass.

[barclay]

Quote: lopvlad

The task would be to destroy one missile of the same Bastion complex was enough to solve

So the fact of the matter is that it did not stand, and I am sure it will not stand. For shooting from "Bastion" you need frank aggression, not provocation. And Defender didn’t attack, he just proshrorovat where he wanted, and that's it. And we will continue to respond to provocations of this nature, because, by and large, there is nothing to respond with.

[lopvlad]

Quote: barclay

And Defender didn't attack, he just

violated the state border of a foreign state as a warship, which is considered all over the world as a military invasion and a pretext for war.

Quote: barclay

So the fact of the matter is that it didn’t stand, and I’m sure it won’t stand.

even your American friends don’t think so, otherwise Cook would not have made such a "combat" turn during a campaign to the shores of the Crimea, fleeing to Romania with a yellow stinking substance in the pants of each member of the ship.

As for the actions of the British, these are the actions of unafraid idiots whose brains have fallen into place a little when several aerial bombs fell on their route.

[barclay]

How annoying you are with your hats and boyish conclusions!
First, familiarize yourself with the concept of innocent passage through territorial waters.
https://base.garant.ru/12112602/9d78f2e21a0e8d6e5a75ac4e4a939832/
Our management, incl. and the military, very afraid of the next sanctions.
As for the bombs, if they were dropped, then somewhere far beyond the horizon, so that the British would not notice. The same applies to "warning shooting" with a finger into the sky. All these formalities were made for a ceremonial report upstairs, that's all.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: barclay

Stop retelling the Cook tales. The fact that everything allegedly turned off for him, and then half of the team quit is a journalistic duck. There was nothing serious with him.

In fact, what we have:
"Cook" sailed to Ukraine to demonstrate solidarity. After flying over it, the Su-24. rushed to Romania and burst into hysteria from there (you cannot name it otherwise).
"... There was nothing serious with him," you say?

[poquello]

Quote: barclay

First, there is a huge distance.

distance of defeat along the route

Quote: barclay

Second - in the other direction

on all shoots, movement from right to left, do you have a right-hand drive version of the glasses?

Quote: barclay

Thirdly, shots are fired into the air.

flatness smoke

Quote: barclay

our border guard is very behind the British

and geometry

[barclay]

Quote: poquello

distance of defeat along the route

What did you mean? By what follow.
Can't you see that the barrel is pointing nowhere?
At such a distance, a couple of tens of 30 mm shells that fell a kilometer into the sea, of course
no one will notice.

[poquello]

Quote: barclay

Quote: poquello

distance of defeat along the route

What did you mean? By what follow.
Can't you see that the barrel is pointing nowhere?
At such a distance, a couple of tens of 30 mm shells that fell a kilometer into the sea, of course
no one will notice.

Are you unable to attach video filming from above to your picture?

[barclay]

Well, tie, and show ...

[iouris]

The command not to get into the destroyer was carried out perfectly, although the conditions were very difficult. But you don't need to try to bomb anymore. It will end badly.

[barclay]

This shooting killed "two birds with one stone." The first - so that the British would not notice anything, and the second - there is something to report upstairs. And about bombing it would be better not to come up with it at all. But the journalists, apparently, ran ahead of the locomotive.

[Piramidon]

Quote: Aviator_

Has your camera broken?

The film crew from TK "Zvezda" did not have time to drive up.

[Mikhail Tynda]

Well, not all the same BBC correspondents are constantly dragged with them?

[El Chuvachino]

Nobody is obliged to provide all documents. If there is a need, they will show you. Not in the exam, after all.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Nobody is obliged to provide all documents.

The British say that there were no bombs or warning firing. We say - it was, and we show a weapon that shoots somewhere upward. Is this proof?

[Mikhail Tynda]

Well, at the end of the day, it's not their "highlighted like". More confident evidence than theirs with the Skripals.

[El Chuvachino]

Once again, why on earth would anyone have to show evidence? This is the first

Secondly, do you know how precautionary shooting is conducted?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Once again, why on earth would anyone have to show evidence? This is the first

That is, "our gentlemen take their word for it" ....

Quote: El Chuvachino

Secondly, do you know how precautionary shooting is conducted?

After a shot from the cannon of the border guard - a fountain of water in front of the bow of the intruder's ship.
Something like that.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Bad_gr

After a shot from the cannon of the border guard - a fountain of water in front of the bow of the intruder's ship.
Something like that.

No, think again.

Quote: Bad_gr

That is, "our gentlemen take their word for it" ....

Prove that you are not a camel.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Prove that you are not a camel.

This is not where you remembered.
We say "Shoot", the British say "there was nothing." What is there, what is there - no confirmation behind the words. The question is: who to believe?
Of course, for our part, we can still add "I swear by my mom!, But it would be better with specific videos on the topic."

[poquello]

Quote: Bad_gr

After a shot from the cannon of the border guard - a fountain of water in front of the bow of the intruder's ship.
Something like that.

urgently need gunsmiths to make gushing 30mm shells)))))))))))))))))))))))

[Dikson]

Have you watched the video from the FSB? Where is the shooting on the course? the warning sounded: I'm shooting here, if it hooks, you are to blame, leave the area .. and then three short ones into the air. pre-dubbed by two people behind the scenes command: Exclude falling into Defender! .. And the shooting our patrol was the devil, somewhere behind the stern of the Englishman .. And on the video you can mount anything .. Defender's speed was (you can hear it in the FSB video) - 28 knots.

[poquello]

Quote: Dikson

Have you watched the video from the FSB?

everything is clear, here the video with a crooked trace was maliciously faked by lucul, who posted it, and the rest of the audio is not from the FSB

Quote: Dikson

I'm shooting here

"To all ships that are nearby, I am the Coast Guard ship, I must conduct artillery fire."
just before that
"Says the First Coast Guard Ship, if you don't change course, I will open fire, I will open fire, do not cross the border, do you understand? English warship, your ship is entering the waters of the Russian Federation, change course. English ship, your ship is entering waters of the Russian Federation. You must immediately leave the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. "

[Aag]

Quote: Canecat

Handsome Konashenkov ... politely called everything in his own words.

Yes, they learned to speak ... By the principle, - by myself! ...
"... An epic fiasco ..." of the British Navy, IMHO, it WOULD happen if the Defender were detained, the inspection team was dropped off, escorted to Sevastopol .... The crew was vaccinated, followed by a two-week quarantine (while our specialists "process" destroyer) ...))), And then, the Russians just go to the Crimea nizya, and these rods, skip the line!))
That's when, -fiasco! ... And so, ... they worked out, apparently, promptly (Well done!), But protocol, - "lethal" evidence has not yet appeared ...
I would be glad to be wrong (if someone gives a convincing alignment).

[zontov79]

I didn't even notice the fiasco, perhaps ours. Provocations will be repeated, only even bolder!

[Pilat2009]

Quote: zontov79

I didn't even notice the fiasco, perhaps ours. Provocations will be repeated, only even bolder!

Firstly, it is not known what plans the Britons had. One thing is to "accidentally go into the terr of water", another to the Sea of ​​Azov in Berdyansk. Dalee. They kicked out from the terra of waters? I am touched by the assertions of those present here that he allegedly completed his task. And what was his task? Here they said that they had Ukrainian special forces on board and in case of boarding they would have captured our ship. And he has more displacement than our border guards, and speed.Maybe it should have been drowned in neutral waters?

[zontov79]

I am moved by such reasoning, it was necessary to meet him in advance on the border of our territorial waters. And do not allow them to enter, ram if necessary.

[zontov79]

I would like the border guards to stop such provocations.

[Mikle2000]

++++ Yes, and his displacement is more than our border guards, and the speed

So if you can't put up a tank against the tank, don't make everyone laugh by waving a pistol.
This destroyer was on a straight course, he did not hide his intentions, for many DAYS it was known that he was entering Georgia - and the Black Sea fleet could not oppose anything to him, except the historian Masha Zakharovna.

[Silhouette]

This is not a fiasco with the Britons, but we have "crap up to the ears" turned out. And the provocation of the British was completely successful. The destroyer fulfilled its task. No one could stop him. Neither the most powerful Black Sea Fleet, nor our valiant aviation. The fleet could not put up a single worthy ship of a similar class for escort, and the border guards limited themselves to a miserable fart in the air in pursuit. The Brita did not deny and do not deny the shooting of the border guard. Let our MO do not lie. They denied and deny the warning bombing on the ship's course. Our Defense Ministry is also silent about this bombing. So it was not there. DID NOT HAVE. These are the journalistic inventions of the first channel, when wishful thinking is presented as reality. The destroyer did not even change course, because there was no need for that. I calmly proceeded my course through our tervods. The next step will be to escort Ukrainian ships along the same route. Wait.

[zontov79]

I completely agree with you. And the number of stupid would-be patriots here is amazing.

[Fungus]

I’m looking at you in hysterics. The fleet has done an excellent job. Namely, they kicked the destroyer out of the territorial waters of Russia. I dropped the map below. When the shooting happened, it was clear how the brits hesitated. And about the shooting, the Britons denied. But ours showed the video and they fell silent. Also on the video and the UAV, you can clearly see how the destroyer turns to the right from our waters. The bombing will probably also be shown by ours. Will wait.

[barclay]

They will not show. There was no bombing, or it was carried out in such a way that it makes no sense to show if this destroyer is not nearby.
Unfortunately, we did not prepare well for such a provocation, although it is not the first one.

[Silhouette]

According to my information, the bombing took place an hour after the destroyer passed the terrorists. The wake trail was bombed.

[poquello]

Quote: barclay

They will not show. There was no bombing, or it was carried out in such a way that it makes no sense to show if this destroyer is not nearby.
Unfortunately, we did not prepare well for such a provocation, although it is not the first one.

exactly, exactly, the journalists of the Republic of Tatarstan were not taken on board

[lucul]

This is not a fiasco with the Britons, but we have "crap up to the ears" turned out.

No need to pass on wishful thinking.
After all, they say Crimea is Ukraine? So ? So the destroyer could safely enter the Sevastopol Bay? Ukraine, however, did not enter.

No one could stop him

You probably forgot about the Bastions, which will not leave a single chance to the destroyer.

Brita did not deny and do not deny the shooting of the border guard

Well, yes, well, yes, what is that)))

https://turbo.ria.ru/20210623/eminets-1738253442.html

Watch the video from the UAV, there you can see on the destroyer's wake, how "he did not change course")))

[Sands Careers General]

Our Sushka shoved several 250kg land mines towards the pelvis of the small British))
The same are a little shitty

[Cat Alexandrovich]

I haven’t heard about it. Americans at one time, yes.

[unaha]

Yah? Why didn't they show you? Neither one nor the other? Both sides were filmed.

[xorek]

Quote: Sands Career General

Our Sushka shoved several 250kg land mines towards the pelvis of the small British))
The same are a little shitty

Exactly, even the American frigate shot from the World Cup

[Gardamir]

dropped several 250kg land mines

[Couchexpert]

CONASHENKUM !!!

[Mikle2000]

A map of the destroyer's route can be viewed. Because it looks like he walked strictly in a straight line and did not change the course in Russian waters, passing them through

[poquello]

Quote: Mikle2000

he walked strictly in a straight line and did not change the course in Russian waters, passing through them

I swear by my mom)))))))))))))))))

[Fungus]

No, not directly. I crossed the border. After our shots, I immediately scrambled away from her. This is the fiasco of the British.

[zontov79]

And on the tracker you can see that he didn’t run up!

[Silhouette]

I'll draw a pack of such cards for you. You don't need a lot of intelligence. And only the weak-minded can believe such evidence.

[lucul]

I'll draw a pack of such cards for you. You don't need a lot of intelligence. And only the weak-minded can believe such evidence.

Watch the video (on the wake), as the destroyer turned away. )))

[Silhouette]

Yeah .... turned it away. As much as a few degrees. So scared, so scared ... Or maybe just turned to Batumi?

[lucul]

Yeah .... turned it away. As much as a few degrees. So scared, so scared ... Or maybe just turned to Batumi?

Your words ?

These are the journalistic inventions of the first channel, when wishful thinking is presented as reality. The destroyer did not even change course, because there was no need for that.

Yours.
In the video, the destroyer changed course, but you deny it anyway.
Are you not God's chosen one? )))

[KKND]

Quote: lucul

Your words ?

Quote: lucul

In the video, the destroyer changed course, but you deny it anyway.
Are you not God's chosen one? )))

He learned from you to quickly change words from one meaning to another. And you are not God's chosen one?

[lucul]

He learned from you to quickly change words from one meaning to another. And you are not God's chosen one?

Do you stand up for your employers? )))

[KKND]

Quote: lucul

Do you stand up for your employers?

Which employers? In 6 years I scribbled only 1000 comments, I xs who would pay me even a penny for this, even a hryvnia, even a shekel, here some of 6000 comments in just 3 years managed to scribble them probably much better know what it means to work as a bot, right?
I write comments here for the soul, but if you don’t pay a penny for comments, then it’s not very clear what you’re doing in your life, you need such a break in time to sit on the forums.

[lucul]

I'm writing comments here for the soul,

Russophobic, please note - there are almost no patriotic ones.

[KKND]

Quote: lucul

Russophobic, please note - there are almost no patriotic ones.

Well, I do not like leavened patriotism, I am a supporter of more liberal ideas, but without fanaticism as in Matza's Ear. That a citizen has no right to be a supporter of moderate liberal ideas?
And like a corrupt patriot to be better? They will stop paying you, how much will you still be engaged in Russophilia here? There I have a neighbor in the country all his life at the factory, not knowing how and not understanding anything, he worked as the head of the motor corps, telling everyone what a patriot he is, hanging portraits of Soviet and then Russian leaders and nothing, he did not work all his life, but now "you cannot kill ", lives well, having done nothing for the country. And there were a lot of such people in the USSR, and even now it is full.
I respect true patriots, although I don't always agree with them. And there are plenty of pure parasites among the "patriots" who want to do nothing, eat, and at the same time scribble blah blah blah blah blah blah about "patriotism."
What do you say to that?

[lucul]

And like a corrupt patriot to be better? They will stop paying you, how much will you still be engaged in Russophilia here?

I actually live in Minsk)))
I was born in a single country - I also want to die in a single country.

[Silhouette]

I explain for the especially gifted. Forced to change course due to external circumstances and to take a new course at the turning point are different concepts. The reasons for the same action may be different. Is that clear to you? The destroyer demonstratively followed the terrorists, increasing the speed, easily broke away from the border patrol, which just had something to salute such a maneuver and, getting out of the terrorists, turned to Batumi. That's all love. And no bombing.

[lucul]

I explain for the especially gifted. Forced to change course due to external circumstances and to take a new course at the turning point are different concepts. Is that clear to you?

And what are these external circumstances? ))))

[Motorist]

Quote: Silhouette

Forced to change course due to external circumstances and to take a new course at the turning point are different concepts.

Silhouette, specially for you, made a screen from the plot of the beep-sisters. Here is their ECDIS: you see the planned pivot points - they don't match the actual ones.

Source: https://sharij.net/poyavilos-video-s-britanskogo-esmincza-vo-vremya-inczidenta-vozle-kryma

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: lucul

Yours.
In the video, the destroyer changed course, but you deny it anyway.
Are you not God's chosen one? )))

where did he turn away ?!
dumped it when on the shortest route full steam to the border

[El Chuvachino]

You chtol suggest to believe? Well, this is an even worse option.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

can you indicate on the map the border of the point of firing "along the course" and "drape" of the destroyer ?!

[Mikle2000]

Is he the type you think was leaving the territorial waters in a panic?

[Avior]

Judging by the map, a small zigzag pattern both before crossing the border and after

[zontov79]

Most likely it was

[Tagan]

Quote: Mikle2000

A map of the destroyer's route can be viewed. Because it looks like he walked strictly in a straight line and did not change the course in Russian waters, passing them through

Even on the video it was clear that he walked far from in a straight line.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Tagan

Even on the video it was clear that he walked far from in a straight line.

Where did you see it in the video?

[Incomprehensible]

"urged London and the Pentagon" not to tempt fate "following the lead of the" Ukrainian admirals of the mosquito fleet. "
If Rasmussen is the talking head of NATO, then Konashenkov is who?

[Rumyan Totev]

I think that the best defense against such provocative actions of NATO ships would be the capture of such a ship by five ships of the Russian Navy (two to the left, two to the right and one from behind) and force it to enter a Russian port. And there the commander is arrested and judged on all counts.

[Mikle2000]

Russia does not have five ships of comparable tonnage, speed and other characteristics at the World Cup. With a close hand on my heart and in all fleets it will not be typed together

[Rumyan Totev]

It's not scary. It is enough for the commander of these small ships to tell the commander of the EM that the coastal missiles are ready for launch!

[Wolf]

PLAY END !!!
This is probably clear to everyone?
Will the next time either sink the boat or invite the enemy to Russian soil?
Now I have a question and what was missing 2 times to fight on their land and it is necessary and 3? , or is it better to transfer the center of tension to London, Washington, Paris and Rome?
Here I have 1 anecdote of a Japanese engineer from one of the creators of the Japanese system of QUALITY CONTROL, and production without glitches!
The old man, he was already without teeth, and the prosthesis constantly fell out but invigorates strong and clever eyes.
So the old man came to beneficially (free of charge) the engineers in the Yugoslavian "Zastava" production of machines and withstood several lessons on how to organize production and quality control. There are a bunch of "engineers" listening and talking to HIM why something is not possible !!! To a man an ENGINEER WHO CREATED A SYSTEM AND IN PRACTICE PROVED ITS ADVANTAGES.
Then the man gave an interview to TV 1 programs and said:
WHAT ON THE WORLD HE DOESN'T IMPOSE NOT "ENGINEERS", THIS IS THEY WHO ARE CONSTANTLY SPEAKING AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THAT CANNOT BE. IN REALITY, A REAL ENGINEER SHOULD THINK HOW WHAT POSSIBLE TO DO BUT NOT POSSIBLE WHAT IS NOT POSSIBLE !!!
There are NOT MANY "ENGINEERS" AND MANY MORE ENGINEERS. AND THEY ARE EVERYWHERE IN POLITICS, AND IN THE ARMY AND IN THE STATE. ITD SERVICES.
But the most important thing is to put a stick on the passage of such NOT "ENGINEERS" on a responsible function because they are a brake and large institutions and organizations where they are.
MEANS WHEN SOMEONE BEGINS TO SAY WHY THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE, BUT NOT HOW IT IS POSSIBLE IT IS NOT AN ENGINEER AND IT SHOULD BE CLEANED !!!

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Wolf

PLAY END !!!
This is probably clear to everyone?

"... According to available data, the issue of using lighter weapons in warning firing is being considered in order to reduce the likelihood of a serious military conflict. As one of the options, it is proposed to abandon the use of bombs ...."

https://topwar.ru/184406-minoborony-izmenit-reglament-primenenija-oruzhija-aviacii-vks-po-korabljam-narushiteljam-gosgranicy.html
That is, next time, we will meet the violator with fireworks, in order to avoid damage to the enemy's ship. And then, no matter how something happens.
The impression is that ours themselves got scared, having kicked out the Englishman.

[zontov79]

It surprised me too. Maybe then we can stop interceptions in the air, in the sea. Otherwise, God forbid, the ship will be scratched.

[KKND]

So I don’t understand, the OFAB-250 bombs from the SU-24 have already disappeared somewhere?

[mark1]

Quote: KKND

So I didn't understand, OFAB-250 bombs

I didn't understand either - weren't there any FABs?

[cniza]

Konashenkov called on London and the Pentagon "not to tempt fate" following the lead of "the Ukrainian admirals of the mosquito fleet."

Well said...

[dzvero]

If these are the words of Konashenkov, it turns out that the entire landscape of world politics has changed dramatically. Britain on the occasion of the Ukrainians ... Biden does not take a step without consulting Zelensky ... as if it didn’t come to the point that we would all shave our heads and raise the settlers ...

[210ox]

And in my opinion, he said nonsense. Now, if he said that "Ball" (and not with dances) would fly to the next brave captain, it would be intelligible and understandable.

[cniza]

Maybe you are right...

[tralflot1832]

The Anglo-Saxons do not recognize the shelling, even under the next shelling. After the recognition of the shelling, the question arises? Why was there no answer. So you can answer, to the policy of the horsemen. The first started Iran and what, what are the consequences? Now we are, tomorrow the Chinese! And in England there are healthy voices are heard, the price of the issue is the seat of Prime Minister Borka Johnson. An irresponsible decision, to send ONE destroyer at gunpoint, evil, Russians. Now the journalists working for the opposition will dig their noses to stir up a scandal.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: tralflot1832

The Anglo-Saxons do not recognize the shelling even under the next shelling.

Was there a video of the shelling?

[tralflot1832]

For me it was, you have ever been stopped by an armed ship. My ship more than once. Enough for an international scandal, recording of mutual negotiations and a deployed cannon. The English cap said that it turns 90 degrees. He said it means he fulfilled the command of the frontier guards. The whole question is settled. You remind me of a Formula 1 spectator who goes to the race only to see if there will be an accident with the wheels in the sky or not. I am proud of the actions of our military.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: tralflot1832

For me was

on some minute of the video there was a phrase from an Englishman about changing course by 90 degrees?

Quote: tralflot1832

You remind me of a Formula 1 spectator who goes to the race only to see if there will be an accident with the wheels in the sky or not. I am proud of the actions of our military.

you can be proud of anything, the fact is important, we have fulfilled our task, and we have once again lost in the media

p / s / they wrote nonsense about the formula, sorry

[Avior]

He didn’t turn nppa 90 degrees

[faiver]

For the future - no need to drive Sushki, meet the border guards with the cover of crocodiles and NURS on the course, pour a couple of barrels on the superstructure until a heap of feces

[Incomprehensible]

"not for long, but getting ready for new provocations of the Naglo-Saxons needs
They just won't lag behind Russia! "


Many years ago, the topvar was visited by intelligent and competent people, whose comments were read and expected. Today's topvar: who will outgrow whom and / or speak out more caustically about his brother. After all, the material selected by the editors contributes to the incitement of enmity between the peoples of Russia and Ukraine.

Comrade Smirnov, if you do not agree with my opinion, then why are you deleting my harmless comments? Can you discuss in public what are you dissatisfied with?

[KKND]

Quote: Incomprehensible

Many years ago, the topvar was visited by intelligent and competent people, whose comments were read and expected. Today's topvar: who will outgrow whom and / or speak out more caustically about his brother. After all, the material selected by the editors contributes to the incitement of enmity between the peoples of Russia and Ukraine.

Comrade Smirnov, if you do not agree with my opinion, then why are you deleting my harmless comments? Can you discuss in public what are you dissatisfied with?

Shhh ... it's quiet here. The more ahem ... discussions, the more comments, the more views, the more advertising of the resource on the network. More advertising of a resource on the network - more orders from advertisers, more articles paid by interested parties. The comments are spinning, the lava is muddled. True, such a wise policy led to the fact that all normal people left the resource and about 2 years ago the resource began to have financial problems, but here it is difficult to blame the administration, figs you will find out what is more profitable for the resource, to do it for a few, but solid "elites" or for numerous but not very respectable "plebs". Now they are trying to find a balance.

[Incomprehensible]

"... here. The more ahem ... discussions, the more comments, the more views, the more advertising of the resource on the network. More advertising of the resource on the network, more orders from advertisers, more articles paid by interested parties. Comments are spinning, lava is muddled True, such a wise policy led to the fact that all normal people left the resource and about 2 years ago the resource started having financial problems, but here it is difficult to blame the administration, figs you will find out what is more profitable for the resource, to do it for a few, but respectable "elites" or for numerous but not very respectable "plebs." Now they are trying to find a balance. "

Interesting opinion. Thank you

[iouris]

The "epic fiasco" is Konashenkov (value judgment). It can be seen that he is not doing his business. And, in general, you need to flutter your tongue less, otherwise it is impossible to take it seriously.
NATO exercises in the Black Sea will begin in a week. We'll see everything.

[lopvlad]

Quote: iouris

NATO exercises in the Black Sea will begin in a week. We'll see everything.

there will be nothing provocative, because the zone beyond which they should not intercede, we have outlined for them using the example of the British trough. And most importantly in Ukraine, they saw that the presence of NATO ships in their ranks would not give them the opportunity to freely pass through the Kerch Strait.
Bandera in Ukraine still thinks that Russia does not invade Ukraine because it is afraid of NATO and not because then Ukraine will have to be shouldered and fed.

[iouris]

What the Bandera supporters think is not very interesting, and the territory of Ukraine is the territory of Russia (the Russia that "we" lost). So the term "invasion" is not applicable.
Kaliningrad was not given away. Where is the logic?

[Ros 56]

And why the name mosquito fleet is applied to the banderlog, these boats in some cases can be quite serious damage.
The name of the fleet of rubber products is more suitable for them. Accurately describes their material base and purpose.

[Andobor]

Politely, didn't notice.

[out of habit]

British ichtamnets.

[north 2]

who suffered a fiasco, or did not suffer, can be judged only after the British Navy with Ukraine does not organize a caravan of several dozen civilian ships, albeit old barges, so that they can be guarded by several British warships on the same route as and the current provocation. Organizes such a convoy, which means the day before yesterday there was no fiasco with the British. Does not organize such a convoy, meaning the rights of the Russian Ministry of Defense both about warning shots and about bombing and about the fiasco of the British

[egor1712]

They didn't shoot, what's the difference. The Aglo-Saxons were given to understand that there would be no second passage with a "salute".

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: egor1712

there will be no second passage with "fireworks".

Yes?!
and in what place were they given to understand?
in that where on the video they say that the main thing is not to get into an Englishman? !!!
so they would immediately shout VELKAM into a megaphone

[Silhouette]

Another pearl of our clumsy propaganda. I quote: "According to specialized Internet resources tracking maritime navigation, Russian pennants approached Hawaii for 65 kilometers, where a large American base of the US Navy Pearl Harbor is located." Heroes! As much as 65 kilometers they dared to approach the American base. I admire the courage and courage of our sailors. Americans are probably still in shock.

[lucul]

Another pearl of our clumsy propaganda.
Heroes! As much as 65 kilometers they dared to approach the American base.

And now let's see what the Americans themselves write: "The ships of the Russian Navy (Navy) during the recent exercises approached Hawaii only 43-63 kilometers, which is an" extremely unusual display of power "by Russia, writes the American edition of The Drive."

[Silhouette]

So what? .... What's so unusual about it? ... For about 1984, I saw these Hawaii with the naked eye on board the Tashkent ship in the company Chapaev, Minsk and several other TFRs. Show-off and demonstration - that's all. Waste fuel (tonne per hour). No one was frightened. And now even more so.

[lucul]

So what?....

Like what ? ))))
We watch the latest news:
"What makes me awake at night is a (possible) miscalculation, which leads to an unreasonable escalation. The situation we saw in the Black Sea on Wednesday is one of those cases that can (miscalculation) to generate ", - the British newspaper Telegraph quotes Carter.
According to the chief of staff, a possible miscalculation in the game of "cat and mouse" with Russia could lead to a "full-scale war."
This suggests that the British military themselves are out of the government's antics, and this was not a military operation.)))

[Pilat2009]

Quote: lucul

The ships of the Russian Navy (Navy) in the course of the recent exercises approached Hawaii only 43-63 kilometers, which is an "extremely unusual display of power."

By the way, when ONE US frigate enters the Black Sea in our press, cries of "everything is lost" begin

[Boromir1941]

the main thing is not to relax

[vl903]

Well, what ours learned to say that the high-ly-likely was almost sunk by the English destroyer, well done! and the rest ... they come to the same places twice a year - Crimea and Vladivostok ... there is time to get ready for the meeting. It is clear that you want without sacrifices ... but what would a good video turn out ... it's bad to come up with something))))

[Professor]

Recall that the British Department of Defense continues to assert that the destroyer Defender did not enter Russian territorial waters, and there was no warning fire.

They lie. Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov presented evidence.

[aszzz888]

Professor (Sokolov Oleg)
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Recall that the British Department of Defense continues to assert that the destroyer Defender did not enter Russian territorial waters, and there was no warning fire.


They lie. Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov presented evidence.

Especially for you. For it came out)) you, I look at ... no already no release OUR MO.

[Al_lexx]

Che that Konashenkov is expressed directly as local couch pimples strategists.
It's unpleasant to read, an adult ...

Or was it the same shameless journalist who paraphrased everything?

[Silhouette]

Konashenkov is not even able to pronounce the name of the destroyer correctly. Our shame.

[Cotton Colorado]

Quote: Fungus

The Brita said that they will continue to swim like this. So we will drown.

What floats, as a rule, does not sink !-)

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Alex777

When Johnson slept with Cameron's wife, he behaved the same way. Realistically and globally: there was nothing, I know nothing.

What was that? This is something new ...
But it's funny if it happened. As it happens, it turns out!

[Real Pilot]

Quote: Cotton Colorado

Quote: Fungus

The Brita said that they will continue to swim like this. So we will drown.

What floats, as a rule, does not sink !-)

But if you press the right button, it washes away! And it goes under the water, how cute ...
And, interestingly, Russia has such a button, and more than one!

[markant1970]

A clumsy attempt to get away with it.
It's time to present the whole factual to put the opponent in a puddle. Where is the video of the bombing?

[demo]

The Russian Ministry of Defense, commenting on the provocation of a British destroyer in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea, called it an "epic fiasco" that will remain a "scent stain" on the reputation of the Royal British Navy for a long time. This was stated by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.
To be honest, it seems to me everything is a little in a different light.
The policy of our native state to this day causes a lot of negative emotions and natural indignation.
The plane was blown up over Sinai. Peaceful, innocent people died. Children were killed. "Someone" threateningly announced that the special services had been instructed to identify all those involved and punish them. To the fullest extent. "Severity" is to liquidate.
Where is the result?
And there is no need to say that such actions will not add respect to our country. They will add. How will they add. Desire will be discouraged from many.
Our pilot paid with his life for flying into the Turkish territory of our Su. For being over the territory of Turkey for a couple of minutes. Without warning. Without showing the air force of their country. They were waiting, inhumans. Specially guessed.
Kh. Kholiks tried to break into the Sea of ​​Azov. And again indulgences and indulgences.
Directly not Putin, but Jawaharlal Nehru, and nothing more! Those. peacemaker.
And it was necessary to make an effort and stop the British warship. Under the threat of the use of coastal anti-ship installations (why was the Ball brought there?) And escorted to Sevastopol. With subsequent proceedings. And poke your muzzle into the shit.
I understand that Gorbachev did not give our sailors the right to drown the Americans. He had other plans in mind. But the seamen carried out the bulk. The sides were torn. The antennas were demolished.
So I see everything in a different, not so alarmist light.
As long as everyone, without exception, does not recognize that Crimea is the territory of the Russian Federation, and the sea border is not intended not to respect it and cut corners, provocations will continue.
Increasingly.

[Avior]

... Under the threat of the use of coastal anti-ship installations (why was the Ball brought there?) And escorted to Sevastopol.

Bal had no chance against the British destroyer.
The Kh-35 are simple subsonic missiles; they are ineffective against a modern combat ship.
And even more so against one of the best air defense ships, and maybe the best.
Using Bal in this situation would only lead to trouble, probably very serious. They are well aware of this at the top, so no one followed your suggestions.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

They are well aware of this at the top, so no one followed your suggestions.

unless on your ukropsky top)))))))))))))))), why this super destroyer cut off and ran away, then it would remain in the "free passage" and clean it up, convincingly as "one of the best ships Air defense "

[Avior]

He calmly went his own way, as he had gone before.
And the shooters were most worried about not hitting him during the "warning shooting" from the other end of the sea.

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

He calmly went his own way, as he had gone before.

Sorry, we didn't drown, so we can't prove it to you

[Avior]

there is nothing to prove.
I went my own way and went on

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

there is nothing to prove.
I went my own way and went on

repeat a hundred times)))))))))))))))))))))

[Avior]

As much as needed to make it clear.
For example, do you understand this?

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

As much as needed to make it clear.
For example, do you understand this?

well, do not peck the brain already, there is a video here, see at the end a somewhat top view

[Avior]

There is a video, there is no confirmation that he was forced to change course
Do you understand this?

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

There is a video, there is no confirmation that he was forced to change course
Do you understand this?

))))))))))) Well, like he turned it away?

[Avior]

As I went before, I kept on walking

[poquello]

Quote: Avior

As I went before, I kept on walking

))))))) I don't even know how to help you, attach a ruler to the screen for 38 seconds

[Avior]

Even before that, he walked with slight fluctuations in the course, without any shooting in international waters.

[rocket757]

, called her "epic fiasco"

... And what is wrong ... the command was hardly given to substitute in full. He carried out the provocation, when it began to bake, he quickly faded ... and then it was the politicians' business to grind with tongues.
Ours worked as expected, the violator acted ... there was no command to drown!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Epic fiasco of the provocation of the British destroyer Defender in the Black Sea, which abruptly changed course from Russian territorial waters after warning shots

from the point of view of PR, we suffered a fiasco, lemongrass just in all their glory, not recognizing the fact that the Crimea as part of the Russian Federation passed through the Russian therweds being there for ~ 30 minutes, they did not turn off the course from the video and maps that showed the limes to the whole world
but we screwed up in full, the video that was provided by the Office has a frank gluing, where they shoot it is not clear, but before the shot the specific phrase "the main thing is not to hit the Englishman"
instead of showing a map of where they entered the water, where they left, where there were warning shots, where there was a change in course, indistinct muttering
limes, however, trumpeted the whole world about the victory in the Russian Federation and said that they walked and will walk along the Crimea

[Tagan]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Quote: Tagan

Even on the video it was clear that he walked far from in a straight line.

Where did you see it in the video?

To do this, you can pay attention to the wake trail. Take a closer look. Fortunately, the shooting was carried out there from several angles. Well, clearly not a straight line.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I look at the map, the deviation fits well into the route towards Georgia

who prevents our military from giving a clear video of an accurate map with points of entry, exit, change of course, where was the shooting, where was the bombing, with the indication of the time, etc.
if it was all shown then everything would fall into place

[Avior]

She was indirect before
The question is, at what point did they shoot?

[businessv]

Quote: NIKNN

Something I doubt that they went about Ukraine, it’s not the other way around ...

This is Konashenkov trolls insolently!

[businessv]

Quote: markant1970

.Where is the bombing video?

This is the main question! Maybe someone saw it, please unsubscribe with a link!

[Tagan]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Epic fiasco of the provocation of the British destroyer Defender in the Black Sea, which abruptly changed course from Russian territorial waters after warning shots

from the point of view of PR, we suffered a fiasco, lemongrass just in all their glory, not recognizing the fact that the Crimea as part of the Russian Federation passed through the Russian therweds being there for ~ 30 minutes, they did not turn off the course from the video and maps that showed the limes to the whole world
but we screwed up in full, the video that was provided by the Office has a frank gluing, where they shoot it is not clear, but before the shot the specific phrase "the main thing is not to hit the Englishman"
instead of showing a map of where they entered the water, where they left, where there were warning shots, where there was a change in course, indistinct muttering
limes, however, trumpeted the whole world about the victory in the Russian Federation and said that they walked and will walk along the Crimea

Especially for clarity, we made an illumination, where at the moment of firing on the course at some distance the ship is located. And yes, there was a command to prevent the hit. What do you mean by gluing, fragments, or what?
Well, yes, but the explanations of the British officials, who did not have time to agree among themselves, were very convincing. Johnson generally blinked like, well, it's a bear. For greater importance, even the head of the Ministry of Agriculture noted))

[Tagan]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

I look at the map, the deviation fits well into the route towards Georgia

who prevents our military from giving a clear video of an accurate map with points of entry, exit, change of course, where was the shooting, where was the bombing, with the indication of the time, etc.
if it was all shown then everything would fall into place

I agree with you, with intelligible videos did not work. Must be viewed under a microscope.

[businessv]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

Was there a video of the shelling?

Here in detail, but I have not met the bombing anywhere, although they talk about it everywhere. https://goo-gl.ru/BnAZe

[Yves762]

The Russian Ministry of Defense, commenting on the provocation of a British destroyer in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea, called it an "epic fiasco" that will remain a "scent stain" on the reputation of the Royal British Navy for a long time. This was stated by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov.

In vain they are so, because the "provocation" actually succeeded.

[Okolotochny]

The reaction of many VO commentators is surprising - the decision to provoke with the help of a solid destroyer was taken personally by the British Prime Minister! The decision on retaliatory measures, in particular the shooting, was taken (probably by the commander of the border guard of the detachment). Do you catch the level? Fight nervously smokes on the sidelines. And what should have been done in the opinion of the “angry” couch experts in VO? Drown the British? I see that there are a lot of specialists in public administration.

[Simple]

the decision to provoke with the help of a solid destroyer was made personally by the British Prime Minister!

Well, the prime minister is unlikely, and the head of the Royal Navy is such an "impromptu" quite by status.

[Simple]

This is how the first admiral of the Royal Navy, Sir Tony Redakin, was almost killed by three "ironies".

Most likely it was his idea.
Confused his office with the territorial waters of Russia.

[Sancho_SP]

On the one hundred and twenty-first article already somehow tired. The watchman threw salt from a double-barreled gun into the air. And then the noise ..

[Pavel57]

It is necessary to drop a bucket of paint from the helicopter as a warning.

[echo]

we all know that the Anglo-Saxons are a bunch of losers and shrieking idiots when it comes to the truth, in my opinion these in London never expected Russia to shoot and bomb them, they certainly thought it would be as usual, an appeal to the British ambassador and a formal complaint. To conclude this story, we can say that Foggy Albion came with charged canons of democracy, but they are deployed with their septic tanks and sanitary facilities, destroyed and overflowing due to a sudden attack of chronic diarrhea and intestinal vomiting, all as a result of friendly fire from RUSSIA LOVE, but next time Brother Iskander will punish the Anglo-Saxon sinners

[tolmachiev51]

It was to be expected that one pack of Amerovs pondered under Vladik, and with this the vipendrezh "was written in its own way." And our position is clear - "" express concern "!!!

[Note]

About the ethnic fiasco. Of course, it all looks like a fiasco on both sides. The British did not fulfill the entire plan of provocation along the passage, while ours did not bring the displacement to a firmly fixed result. That is, other things being equal, we were offered a winning deal in any case. Which, unfortunately, could not or did not have time to calculate our naval and state security analysts. Will explain. In case of violation of the state border in the absence of a bulk to displace the intruder and thus inflicting damage on him, we had carte blanche to inflict damage on the destroyer by firing at the front nose section from the ak 630 gun of the border boat. At the same time, any reaction of the British ship was beneficial to us. Of course, the death of some of the people from our PSKR in this case is very likely. But this is in case of a response from the British. In this case, the destroyer is destroyed by all available means. And we give only an adequate answer for the destruction of our ship and the death of our border guards. And this will definitely not lead to a third world war. But it will very much consolidate the result for many years. In the event the destroyer withdraws without retaliation, an insane blow to the image of the British Navy. So it is for the entire NATO bloc. And no speculation about what was and what was not. Alas, this did not happen and it is hardly possible while people who actually run the state are calculating the loss of capital.

[aszzz888]

The Russian Ministry of Defense, commenting on the provocation of a British destroyer in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea, called it an "epic fiasco", which will for a long time remain a "scent stain" on the reputation of the Royal British Navy. This was stated by the official representative of the Ministry of Defense Igor Konashenkov

Well, finally A. Konashenko respected)) prohfesur ., because he, the prohfesor, still lacked information from OUR MO... The poor fellow went to .. no.

[Dikson]

... This is an epic victory for our border guards .. "warning shooting" and a tough instruction ..))). That is why the Englishman says, "the Russians were shooting there somewhere." ! "there is no .. but there is a hasty: Exclude getting into Defender !!! Exclude hit !!! Which, in general, is correct .. But they were not intercepted and fired in the direction of the violator of speech! It didn’t even look like a salute at the moment the sides parted ..))) So, just an Englishman walked along the square where ours were conducting shooting exercises ..))

[older]

Quote: Captive

Our people go to the seas, oceans, and the Brits decided to swim. If only he could explain to them who, what it floats in the hole.

Do they go potty? Long-distance captain?

[svoit]

I don’t understand, what’s the fiasco? It seems that they completed all the assigned tasks and obtained the required results. Unlike us...

[Machete]

Some part - yes, we completed it.
They staged a talk show on deck and showed that they were supposedly with Ukraine. But no one else will go there. This was a one-time event.
But they were kicked out of there with pissing rags. Why do you think their Ministry of Defense is so nervous and does not recognize obvious things?
It was like a knife hit them in the balls that they were kicked out. Pride is hurt. The queen is shocked, the lords are angry and so on...
Joke.
well you get the point.

[Tramp007]

let the destroyer pass, wait for the fleet

[amr]

Quote: Alex777

The topic was promoted in the press with money from the States and Britain, and ours put an end to it.
It turned out fine, as in my opinion.

It came out normally on our TVs, I wonder how the news was presented in Britain or Europe?
It seems to me that there was absolutely no shouting about failure and shame!

[kig]

Those who speak English can read the impressions of the BBC correspondent on board the ship:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9718661/Read-dramatic-eyewitness-report-Vladimir-Putin-gunboat-opens-fire.html#