Norwegian press: Britain wanted to check the ownership of the Crimea and received a response from the Russians

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It is difficult to say what exactly happened after the HMS Defender was in Russian territorial waters, but it had to leave in a hurry. It seems that Britain wanted to verify the ownership of Crimea and received a convincing response from the Russians.

The director of the Fridtjof Nansen Institute, Ivar Neumann, who is considered an expert on the Russian issue, discusses this topic in an interview with the Norwegian newspaper Dagbladet.



Russia considers Crimea its own, with which the inhabitants of the peninsula itself agree, and most of the rest of the world, the press of Norway writes, is sure that it belongs to Ukraine. Britain, where the second point of view is in use, tried to prove its theory in practice, but it was quickly convinced.

Of course, so far all these movements fleet и aviation look quite harmless, but it is likely that the moment will come when warning shots from one of the sides will be met with aimed return fire.

This game is about who owns Crimea ... The danger is that at some point targeted shooting may start, because the bank in this game is war

- says Neumann.

Perhaps the actions of the British Navy ship are a kind of manifestation of British phantom pains that cannot forget the greatness of their collapsed empire.

Recall that the British destroyer entered the territorial waters of the Russian Federation near the Crimea for 3 km, moreover, in an area that the Russian Ministry of Defense had previously declared closed for shipping.
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  1. -69
    25 June 2021 17: 36
    These 600t Coast Guard ships could not even catch up with this 8000t displacement destroyer, floundering behind in its waves. Where are the normal patrolmen .... Thanks at least aviation
    1. +30
      25 June 2021 17: 42
      What makes you think that the smaller the size, the higher the speed? And where did you get the idea that you could not catch up with him? As far as I know, there was no command to take him on board.
      1. -29
        25 June 2021 17: 45
        First, study the performance characteristics of the ships involved. HMS Defender (D36) speed characteristics over 30 knots. Project 22460 FULL SPEED 28 NODES, CRUISING 21 NODES
        1. +16
          25 June 2021 17: 57
          Perhaps the actions of the British Navy ship are a kind of manifestation of British phantom pains that cannot forget the greatness of their collapsed empire.
          Well, for starters, phantom pain is a problem exclusively for psychiatrists. Well, on the topic, but it was necessary to carry out the boarding? It is enough to deny the move and wait for reinforcements. Again, I will touch on, at such a distance, the AK630 could completely take out the BIUS starting from the antenna posts and deprive it of the possibility of using its weapons. Well, as for the coast and aviation, I think there would be no attempts to obstruct the arrest of the violator. Here it is necessary to look from some other position or from all at once.
          1. -9
            25 June 2021 21: 06
            Well, in the days of the USSR, they were sent off by ramming them.
            Shooting on the course, of course, leaves no scratches.
            But in my opinion, the ram is more intelligible.
          2. +5
            26 June 2021 11: 47
            Quote: NIKNN
            Again, I will touch on, AK630 at such a distance could completely take out the BIUS starting from the antenna posts and deprive it of the possibility of using its weapons.

            Well, defender is not a fletcher, I think that ak630 at such a distance could have worked it all in the trash
            1. +2
              28 June 2021 16: 33
              Norwegian Neumann uttered "This game is about who owns Crimea ... The danger is that at some point targeted shooting may start, because the bank in this game is war. " But he "modestly" kept silent WHO provokes war!
        2. -1
          26 June 2021 13: 24
          and who said that they were there at full steam?
        3. +1
          27 June 2021 21: 29
          Ships are designed for different tasks. And Ball or Bastion would surely have caught up with him. Here they are designed to solve such problems. And the border guard has other tasks.
      2. +29
        25 June 2021 17: 57
        And where did you get the idea that you could not catch up with him?

        Our PSKR have a maximum speed of 25-28 knots.
        In 99,9% of cases, this is sufficient.
        They really could not keep up with the 30+ knots of the destroyer, but the very fact that the destroyer was driven to maximum speed (which is not often the case) suggests that his crew was not so much fun. They got away.

        As far as I know, there was no command to take him on board.

        There was no team. And it's hard to imagine that it was.
        To summarize briefly the reaction in the world, our goals have been achieved. Everyone understood everything as it should. Crimea is ours. bully
        1. +1
          25 June 2021 20: 15
          Quote: Alex777
          They really couldn't keep up with 30+ destroyer nodes,

          "Selfless" (1976-2005) - Project 1135 Soviet patrol ship (full speed - 32 knots). He made a bulk on the cruiser Yorktown.
          And he caught up with him before that.
          And the speed of 28 knots at the escort ship ... whatever one may say - is not enough. You need 32-34 knots. I mean, very desirable.
          1. +6
            25 June 2021 20: 20
            "Selfless" (1976-2005) - Project 1135 Soviet patrol ship. He made a bulk on the cruiser Yorktown.
            And he caught up with him before that.

            The cruiser Yorktown and the destroyer Caron were traveling at 14 knots during the incident.
            Both got it. On the destroyer SKR-6 he piled on. wink
            The 1135 has a maximum speed of ~ 32 knots.
          2. -4
            26 June 2021 04: 39
            For the bulk in 88, agreed at the very top, they prepared the Yamal PSK with a displacement of over 7 tons, which, due to its low speed, like the border guard today, turned out to be useless. And, 000 knots at the PSKR, it seems, is only on paper, otherwise in 28 minutes, from the moment the terrorist attack was breached until the opening of fire, he would not have lagged behind by 15-7 km.
          3. +5
            26 June 2021 09: 53
            I wonder where it says that the patrol ship should have 32-34 knots? The Germans have 21 knots, the Norwegians have somewhere around 18-20 knots. Our speed is normal and even higher than that of the "democratic countries"
    2. +1
      25 June 2021 17: 58
      Not phantom, but anal pain ... laughing
      1. +5
        25 June 2021 23: 23
        Quote: Finches
        Not phantom ...

        Well, they are not the only ones in this club of "pain in its former greatness", to be honest. request
    3. +7
      25 June 2021 18: 07
      Quote: Adimius38
      These 600t Coast Guard ships could not even catch up with this 8000t displacement destroyer, floundering behind in its waves.

      Be tolerant and write that the destroyer allowed herself to catch up. (We watch the video of the Air Force where the PSKR first at a distance of about 1.5 miles and then goes on a parallel course)
    4. +9
      25 June 2021 18: 27
      Quote: Adimius38
      These 600t Coast Guard ships could not even catch up with this 8000t displacement destroyer, floundering behind in its waves. Where are the normal patrolmen .... Thanks at least aviation


      Small british pelvis jerk is appreciated, thanks, goodbye.

      We would like to, we would have sunk. But why beat up kids? The playfuls made a fool of themselves, and dumped as quickly as possible.
      1. -7
        26 June 2021 11: 51
        Who dumped faster? The British? He didn't even change the course !!!! Look at the maps of his movements .... Again, hurray, we threw all our hats ... Let's face it, there was no throwing, and there was no shooting on the course, perhaps somewhere they fired upwards for a sound effect.
    5. 0
      26 June 2021 10: 45
      I recommend that you contact an optometrist
    6. +3
      26 June 2021 13: 32
      The ships of the Coast Guard should not be super armed and powerful, this is the practice of the whole world, this Briton already walked on a razor's edge and the Su-24 just needed to be indicated and warned, if, as these Britons write, they saw the coast of the Crimea, then they were standing under sight, hundreds of PCRs and with any incorrect body movement would be destroyed at the moment in dust
      1. -6
        26 June 2021 14: 16
        of course they should not)) and who should)) how many 12-20 km there was to Sevastopol the distance was and should not)))))))))) humorists ...
    7. 0
      26 June 2021 18: 42
      With a strong desire, the coastal "Granite" would be guaranteed to catch up with him;)
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  2. -21
    25 June 2021 17: 44
    Yes, for me they reacted very weakly, to such impudence. Under the Soviet Union, the British degenerates would have been rammed already. And this is not enough, they want to soften the rules of reaction to such actions. Let's wait for more impudent actions.
    1. +10
      25 June 2021 17: 59
      Under the Soviet Union, the British degenerates would have been rammed.

      Under the USSR, no one doubted that Crimea was ours.
      And there were more ships - they did not take care of them as they are now. hi
      1. -7
        25 June 2021 18: 07
        It is necessary to react better so that there are no doubts!
      2. +4
        25 June 2021 18: 10
        Under the USSR, no one doubted that Crimea was the USSR. And American ships entered the waters of the USSR, and they were often beaten off even with a ram - for example, in 1988, the USS Caron


        Today, unfortunately, it is different because of the accursed gift of Khrushchev. Russia is right here - Crimea has not been constantly conquered by the Ukrainians, and it is not Ukrainian.

        Only in politics and geopolitics, facts do not matter - strength is important - and I hope that the West has understood this.
        1. +7
          25 June 2021 18: 23
          And American ships entered the waters of the USSR, and they were often beaten off even with a ram - for example, in 1988, the USS Caron

          It was once, not in 1988, but in 1986, and of course I am aware of the details.
          Naval was aboard the cruiser Yorktown twice, and ships were sent to scout out what the USSR was building on Cape Foros. Yes
          After the bulk of the TFR, the Selfless Month was under repair.
          There was a fire in Yorktown and it took 3 months to fix it.

          Only in politics and geopolitics, facts do not matter - strength is important - and I hope that the West has understood this.

          Should they not understand. In the West, they rely only on strength. hi
          1. +3
            25 June 2021 19: 00
            There were two incidents with the same ships - both in 1986 and in 1988! February 12, 1988 aircraft carrier "Yortkun" s Selfless a "Carron" s SKR-6

            SKR Selfless vs USS Yorktown

            Soviet sailors were brave!
            1. +6
              25 June 2021 19: 07
              There were two incidents with the same ships - both in 1986 and in 1988!

              There was only one incident. And you are right - in 1988.
              The Wiki article has a typo by dates. Understood.
              aircraft carrier "Yortkun"

              Yorktown is still a Ticonderoga-class cruiser. hi
              Aircraft carriers simply do not have the right to enter the World Cup.
              I read the memoirs of Commander Selfless.
              Today I didn't look for them, I hoped for Vicki.
              And yes, the SKR-6 fell on the destroyer. feel
              In 1988, Gorbachev was already begging for money in the West.
              Therefore, the States did not expect such a squeeze.
              1. +3
                25 June 2021 19: 17
                Actually - only in 1988 - So it stuck in my memory - but I also quickly checked and made a proposal. My mistake



                PS. Of course, the USS Yorktown (CG48) is a cruiser. Translator error! (amazing in itself!)
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    3. +3
      25 June 2021 18: 01
      Quote: zontov79
      Under the Soviet Union, the British degenerates would have been rammed already.
      Under Russia they bombed and fired.
      1. -18
        25 June 2021 18: 06
        So it was necessary to bomb and shoot next to the enemy destroyer, but it is not clear where.
        1. +11
          25 June 2021 18: 26
          Quote: zontov79
          So it was necessary to bomb and shoot next to the enemy destroyer, but it is not clear where.

          Here's to you, it is not clear. It is clear to me and the British.
          1. -1
            26 June 2021 11: 56
            Yes, that you understand this and the horse understands, but the British only heard the sounds of shots somewhere, but did not see, but what kind of bombing? And the British did not change the course, it can be clearly seen on the maps, how he walked and walked. Why distort what the whole world saw?
            1. -2
              26 June 2021 11: 58
              Meli Emelya! Your week.
    4. 0
      28 June 2021 20: 42
      Fortunately, in the USSR, the leadership had a colder head than yours, because when the Sukhaya Rechka airfield near Vladivostok was bombed, ours did not answer anything, only diplomacy.
      "It happened in the Far East in October 1950 ... 0. On October 8, 1950, at 16.17:80 pm local time, two Lockheed F-100C" Shooting Star "(" Meteor ") fighters of the US Air Force violated the state border of the USSR and, having deepened by almost 165 km, attacked the Soviet military field airfield Sukhaya Rechka XNUMX km from Vladivostok, in the Khasan region. As a result of the bombardment by US Air Force planes in the parking lot, seven planes of the Soviet squadron were damaged, one completely burned down. "
  3. +10
    25 June 2021 17: 50
    This game is about who owns Crimea ... The danger is that at some point targeted shooting may start, because the bank in this game is war


    A very sober and correct thought ...
  4. +3
    25 June 2021 17: 54
    and most of the rest of the world, the press in Norway writes, is sure
    And this large part of the rest of the world does not want to see the borders of 1914, which they so love to operate on on occasion?
    1. -7
      25 June 2021 18: 15
      Look at the boundaries of long-defunct empires?
  5. +7
    25 June 2021 18: 03
    If the Defender has entered Ukrainian ports, it would be good to check if the toilet bowls are in place!
  6. -21
    25 June 2021 18: 31
    The warning shooting looked painfully pitiful. Lonely ... Somewhere in the misty distance ...
    1. +5
      25 June 2021 18: 54
      Well, excuse me, all the battleships of the "Sevastopol" type were written off even under Khrushchev ... hi
      1. -6
        25 June 2021 19: 39
        Under Khrushchev, the cruiser pr. 68bis was cut ...
        1. +1
          25 June 2021 19: 46
          Under Khrushchev, the 68-bis were built as if they were not cut, one is in Novorossiysk ...
          1. 0
            27 August 2022 13: 10
            This was planned by a numerous series of a rather successful project of a light artillery cruiser, which has good prospects for further modernization. They built it before Khrushchev, and at the same time they cut it and gave it to the "leader". The cruiser "Ordzhonikidze", for example, was presented to Indonesia. He stood there, too, until he rotted away.
  7. +5
    25 June 2021 19: 29
    This is how Britain left the EU out of envy of Russia. How is it so, Russia is completely independent and self-reliant, Russia does not need to report to anyone from outside or receive good, and Britain in the EU must keep a report to Brussels, and even watch how the collective good will or will not give Britain any Poland or Baltics. And then Russia, under everyone's noses, stole Crimea, which Britain had pretensions to, that let Crimea be anyone's, if only not Russian. And how Britain was jarred that, as a result of WWII, Stalin saved all the Republics and territories to the Red Empire, and Churchill profiled India, and thus the end of the British Empire came. And whatever the EU interfered with, Britain left the EU because of this. In any case, this is one of the reasons for Britain's exit from the EU.
  8. 0
    25 June 2021 19: 57
    I shit from their impudence. Hitler could not stop and bark
  9. +2
    25 June 2021 20: 53
    The newspaper is serious, the question is on which page this article was. The Norwegians have a very long experience of relationships with us at sea. The stern Electron, then they drank a lot of blood. This is like the only incident at sea with them in 25 years. When it is profitable for them, they even The State Department is sent by the forest. Year 4, the norgi were allowed to transship in their north in the Bay of Novatek from their ships to the "democratic" gas carriers. Until Novatek organized its transshipment at Kildin. The Navy and for the US Air Force. They do not have such bright prospects in the oil and gas industry. They have no proven resources. The Americans will feed them, I doubt it. You cannot force the Norgs to take loans, it is easier for them to change the government in this case.
  10. 0
    26 June 2021 06: 53
    Britain, where the second point of view is used, tried to prove its theory in practice, but she was quickly persuaded.
    good Well said!!!
  11. +2
    26 June 2021 08: 55
    [quote = NIKNN] [quote] Well, on the topic, but it was necessary to carry out the boarding? It is enough to deny the move and wait for reinforcements. Again, I will touch on, at such a distance, the AK630 could completely take out the BIUS starting from the antenna posts and deprive it of the possibility of using its weapons. Well, as for the coast and aviation, I think there would be no attempts to obstruct the arrest of the violator. [/ quote]
    What do you think, before the "coast and aviation", the destroyer would stand and humbly wait, or would it still give a response? I don’t know about the coast, but the aviation would have got it too. Do not underestimate the enemy.
  12. +3
    26 June 2021 09: 31
    The Navy acted clearly according to the charter, the command, a warning shot, the next action was shooting to kill, there was no need to damage your equipment in bulk. In 1988 there was Gorbachev, and there were 159 patrolmen of the project 70
  13. +1
    26 June 2021 09: 51
    So it has been proven once again that Russia needs fast ships the size of Soviet BODs, or at least a modern destroyer, to guard its maritime borders. So that you can plant in bulk once and let it drip on its way for a six-month repair. And why was a small border boat sent against a large warship with missiles? Does the Black Sea Fleet have ships there?
    1. +1
      26 June 2021 10: 53
      Quote: TatarinSSSR
      So it has been proven once again that Russia needs fast ships the size of Soviet BODs, or at least a modern destroyer, to guard its maritime borders. So that you can plant in bulk once and let it drip on its way for a six-month repair. And why was a small border boat sent against a large warship with missiles? Does the Black Sea Fleet have ships there?

      WHAT FOR ??? If there are coastal complexes and aviation ???
      Or the main thing is to speak out against? And if you did as you advise and many here ... now you would shout, why spoil ships and risk people if there is a DBK, CD and aviation!
      Forever all the dissatisfied whiners of analysts
      1. +2
        26 June 2021 11: 55
        You are confusing me with someone. I'm not whining. I am outraged. The small FSB boat could not even keep up with the destroyer, and it could not have done anything except its 630. With blanks, perhaps he would have ripped the sides, for which he would immediately be sunk from the destroyer. And launching missiles from the coast into the zone of navigation and serious traffic of civilian ships is a twofold dangerous business. Aviation - SU-24M is not a frontier board. But it was applied. And it is not so difficult for a destroyer to shoot him down. In the video on the pylons and under the belly, I did not see anti-ship missiles, only bombs and tanks.
        1. -3
          26 June 2021 14: 08
          Quite rightly said and get ready now the trolls will minus)))) The truth is not welcome here. Moreover, a new doctrine is being developed, the meaning is that God forbid not to cut the enemy destroyer with fragments)))) then the slingshots will probably be given out)) so 630 is still laughing
        2. 0
          28 June 2021 09: 43
          The main task of our boats is patrolling. Why would they get involved in a battle with a frigate?
          They found out, reported on and further the case of coastguards and aviation.
          And if they had sunk our boat, in response they would have sunk ... a frigate. Do you feel the difference?
      2. -1
        26 June 2021 14: 14
        Yes, with this alignment, you can even say why do we need a fleet, sit with coastal complexes and aviation ... But in fact, we have built 8000 tons (destroyer, frigate)? nothing. mosquito fleet. Fortunately, the Soviet groundwork remained, not all were put on nails. So now they are trying to close the gap in the fleet by making a frigate out of the old Soviet BODs. And in more than 30 years, not a single ship has been built like the same Defender ...
        1. +1
          27 June 2021 04: 36
          it can bring everything down quickly: cut on pins and needles, sell for scrap. And to restore and even more to do better than it was, it takes a lot of time and money. By the end of the 90s, there was a desert all around, no matter what you look at.
          1. -2
            27 June 2021 22: 08
            I would not say that, by the end of the 90s, despite that collapse, a lot of things still remained and they finished it all from the beginning of 2000
    2. 0
      28 June 2021 20: 45
      Coast Guard, this is the FSB, they did not surrender the BOD
  14. +1
    26 June 2021 19: 41
    Quote: Pas2x
    With a strong desire, the coastal "Granite" would be guaranteed to catch up with him;)
  15. +1
    27 June 2021 04: 31
    can our ships now check whether the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands belong to Britain? Probably, the British would not like it either!
  16. 0
    27 June 2021 09: 34
    It's hard to say what exactly happened after warship The British Navy HMS Defender ended up in Russian territorial waters, but had to hastily withdraw.
    It seems to me that the word "combat" is applicable to those naval vessels (and civilian ones as well) that took part in the hostilities.
    Most likely it is correct to say a naval vessel of such and such a state.
    His "track record" was not impressed.
    https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Defender_(D36)
  17. -1
    28 June 2021 13: 40
    Quote: Adimius38
    These 600t Coast Guard ships could not even catch up with this 8000t displacement destroyer, floundering behind in its waves. Where are the normal patrolmen .... Thanks at least aviation

    A fool or what? The border guards and aviation were there precisely so that the Britons could see them and precisely for demonstration. If they wanted to drown, there would be no border guards, no planes, a rocket would come from the shore and that's it :) The Black Sea is 100% shot through by Balami and Bastion ...