State of emergency in the Baltic: “Smart” was left without a course as a result of a fire

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The Corvette "Savvy" was left without a turn in the western part of the Baltic Sea due to a fire that occurred in the engine room, reports "Central Naval Portal".

According to the Central Naval Portal, the personnel managed to cope with the fire, but as a result of extinguishing measures, separate equipment turned out to be flooded with water and failed. There are no casualties or casualties among the personnel.

According to preliminary information, the probable causes of fire are short circuits in electrical wiring or incorrect actions of the crew. The fire originated in the corridor of gas ducts.

It took the staff more than an hour to eliminate the fire.

According to vesti.ru, the commander of the exercises, the commander of the Danish working group, the captain of the first rank Oge Buur Jensen, expressed regret that due to the fire, “Smart” will not be able to take part in the international naval exercises “Daneks-Noko- 2012 ", which were supposed to start on Monday, 3 September.

Soobrazitelny was built at OJSC Shipyard Severnaya Verf. Laid down in a boathouse of a plant in St. Petersburg on May 20, 2003, launched on March 31, 2010. The crew of the "Intelligent" led by the commander of the captain of the second rank Alexander Telepov boarded the ship in early 2011. State tests began on 29.07.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX. Transferred the fleet October 14, 2011. On the same day, a ceremony was held for the first raising of the naval flag of the ship, and according to the order of the Commander-in-Chief of the Navy, admission to the composition of the connection of surface ships of the Baltic Fleet with the base of Baltiysk.

On the Day of the Navy, 29 July 2012, the Corvette "Savvyrachny" was awarded the Guards name and the crew was presented with a new battle flag of the ship - the Guards Naval flag.

"Smart" - the second ship of the project 20380, multi-purpose combat surface ships of 2-th rank of the near sea zone. The corvette "Guarding" is also in service. Subsequent ships of the series will bear the names "lively", "resistant", "agile".
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    1. +5
      3 September 2012 17: 52
      well, with baptism of fire, the title of the Guards crew must be justified by deeds (unless of course the fire is your fault) ...... along the way on the day of the Guard, and there was a fire, apparently the boys noted
      1. +3
        3 September 2012 18: 09
        Most importantly, the team worked harmoniously, it won the battle for the survivability of the ship! This incident proves once again that the team prepared is wonderful!
        1. +19
          3 September 2012 18: 43
          Max - well, what is the sea water when extinguishing a fire ??? 21st century in the yard and the team led by the cap - LOCHI, ditching valuable equipment with the incapacitation of the already small "new" combat unit. This is complete insanity. Take the time and see the 2 liter dry powder fire extinguisher in action for a start. Well, the possibilities of 20-30 liters on wheels are generally a song, the main thing is not to forget to wear a muzzle before the action.
          1. PLO
            +2
            3 September 2012 19: 15
            how many specialists came running what
            maybe it’s worth starting to wait for more detailed information before drawing conclusions
      2. Captain Vrungel
        +28
        3 September 2012 18: 29
        Even if the fire was not the fault of the crew, the crew showed complete illiteracy in eliminating the source of ignition. Ships are adequately equipped with fire fighting and extinguish e-mail. equipment with water is not only criminal, but also dangerous to the life of an emergency party. There are carbon dioxide, powder, volumetric fire extinguishing systems. If there is a gas outlet shaft, then there should be a regular CO2 system. You need to learn the materiel, techniques and methods of fighting fires. Training, to automatism. The fire on the ship is terrible because the crew is limited by space and inept actions lead to tragedy. On civilian ships, classes and training alarms are held weekly to combat fire, and each crew member is required to clearly fulfill their responsibilities according to the Alarm Schedule. The ball and time spent on practical exercises, leads to panic and chaotic actions and casualties. All rules and recommendations are written in blood.
        1. Slayer
          +6
          3 September 2012 20: 10
          News, though not from the category of sensations, anything can happen, it can happen to everyone. But the actions of the crew showed a complete pi..ts to extinguish with water? pour in electronics? there are simply no words, if there was a fire during a battle, such saldafons would sink the entire fleet .....
          1. not good
            +2
            3 September 2012 22: 04
            Seawater is still the main fire extinguishing means on ships and ships of the Navy, simply because there are a lot of it, and fire extinguishers unfortunately quickly end. Another thing is that the wiring must first be de-energized. And the electronics always suffered from salt water Yes
          2. +1
            4 September 2012 11: 00
            Quote: Slayer
            such saldafons will sink the entire fleet .....

            Correctly!!! The result of a reduction in facial life
        2. 0
          3 September 2012 20: 31
          The coolest thing is at CentrVoenMorPortal, where the news is embossed from, not a word has been said about the quenching hour.
          But as they say - spoons were found ...
          And, no, I’m lying, in another news there is about an hour, in today’s not.
        3. +4
          3 September 2012 21: 24
          Quote: Captain Vrungel
          Ships are adequately equipped with fire fighting and extinguish e-mail. equipment with water is not only criminal, but also life-threatening emergency party
          Yuri, remember how we were taught. 1.Disguise 2. Carbon dioxide fire extinguishers. 3. Turn on the dehumidifiers of holds (upon request), after localization of the fire.
          And the fact that they did it was deletantism and criminal negligence.
        4. Captain Vrungel
          +8
          3 September 2012 21: 40
          I thank all members of the forum for conferring the high rank of Major General. As my commander said, the general is not a rank, this is happiness. Honestly, the title is closer to me. which I have reached. Both military and naval, just a captain. Thank you Good luck to everyone and the embodiment of all personal plans in life. Happiness and well-being. And most importantly, a peaceful sky for our children.
          1. +2
            3 September 2012 22: 21
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            As my commander said, the general is not a rank, this is happiness. Honestly, the title is closer to me. which I have reached. Both military and naval, just a captain.
            Yeah, congratulations. And after 3 years of service I left the foreman of 2 articles (in short Junior sergeant) I respect you.
            1. +1
              4 September 2012 07: 41
              The usual thing.
              At the VVMIU College named after Lenin we were told.
              You will all burn. You must know your ship. With closed eyes, walk on it.
              My first fire. Happened on the second day of service on the ship.
              And here I read and garbage. From specialists in the field of BC, NK should be given to them. So that in the new edition released. In the edition of the 21st century.

        5. DDW
          0
          4 September 2012 07: 42
          It is said true. However, more or less professionals serve in the civilian fleet, amateurs in the Navy, and officers, exhausted by the struggle for military discipline and a new look. The difference is significant, from here the result. You are a plus.
        6. 0
          4 September 2012 07: 49
          I see you know a lot about the device of the ship.
          At the political level.
          Or maybe you are a political officer?
          Did you belong to the party?
          For example, yes.
          Commander of the Stern Emergency Party.
    2. -1
      3 September 2012 17: 53
      It seems that they want to convince us by the characteristic presentation of this news of the sign of this emergency, with a show off - everything is gone, the ships are on fire! ... Yes - emergency, yes - none of this happens to us, and, in this case, I just want to wish the crew quickly eliminate the consequences and express regret and solidarity with the Danish captain Oge Buur Jensen regarding the inability to take the ship into the exercises.
      1. +4
        3 September 2012 18: 30
        Quote: esaul
        It seems that they want to convince us by the characteristic presentation of this news of the sign of this emergency, with a show-off - everything is gone, the ships are on fire!

        Not in one comment there is not even such a thought. Just the news of an emergency and nothing more. Anyone can happen.
        1. +4
          3 September 2012 22: 21
          Sasha, how could you refer my comment to yourself or to someone from the members of the forum? This is amazing news for me! Or now I have to accompany each comment with an amendment - "has nothing to do with comments on the forum?"
          My conclusion was about the article and nothing more. Well, if you wanted to find a precedent in order to cling to and dump the painful, then you can dig up a ton of other pretexts.
          There, the so respected Dreamer -Poka-Porozhniak was not particularly wary of expressions - he drove me insults and insults, and at the forum he acted as an advocate of truth. Yes, God is his judge ...
          As for the Veteran, his ban was news to me when, after a business trip, from the dialogue, members of the forum found out that the Veteran was banned.
          I did not witness a skirmish because of which he suffered, but I think that he could not suffer innocently.
          Knowing the thoughtfulness and correctness of Smirnov, I am sure that the reasons for these or those sanctions are not unfounded. He himself repeatedly received "sticks" from Vadim.
          So Mr. Vasya, you yourself said that
          Quote: Vasy
          person on a brand new site

          and, before throwing accusations, it is better to "rub" on the site for a longer time, and then draw some conclusions about someone ...
          He spoke before this and is forced to repeat once again - in my opinion, some conspiracy in PM, blocks and other rubbish behind the scenes only harm the site. Because some kind of mouse fuss begins. Those who raised the issue of injustice on the part of the Administration today apparently did not escape the temptation to mock and block ...
          Guys - don't do crap! Read news and articles, express your opinions, argue, observing decency, but - avoid any collusion, conspiracies, agreements and some dubious "tactical" notions.
          and suggestions!
          What does not live in peace for you, colleagues ?!
          Moreover, that is natural, this whole wave went just when a significant number of users appeared on the site who prefer to put cons if the news about Russia is positive ...
          1. vasy
            +8
            3 September 2012 23: 29
            Quote: esaul
            and, before throwing accusations, it is better to "rub" on the site for a longer time, and then draw some conclusions about someone ...


            Firstly, Mr. Esaul, I do not throw charges, but express my opinion, which I have developed over this short period of time on this site.

            Or, according to your "concepts", the so-called "patriotism". With which all of you (your group) hide behind, no one can have their own opinion that runs counter to your "general" course ???

            So I therefore raise the question of why this is not warned in advance when registering. that they say so and so, here on the site only eryayayaya, everything else is punished very strictly, right up to a mat, insults on national signs, etc.?

            And what does the mouse fuss have to do with it? I asked you and the Administration FOUR specific questions that neither you nor the Administration can give an answer to, it is, in principle, understandable why, but it does not seem to you that ... the pause dragged on indecently for a long time.

            Of course, I am much younger than you, but I can say with confidence that you have a great school of old party sourdough, that is. nice to talk about everything and at the same time about anything ?!

            As I already noticed, I’m far from alone in expressing sore questions that you ignore! But it’s precisely you who gave birth to all the reasons why these problems arose and everything that you write about continues.

            And if you think that your secret divisions between each other remain a secret, then you are deeply mistaken, just from our side people are politically correct and do not go into your behind-the-scenes "agreements" like ours, not ours.

            Well, your conclusion about users putting minuses against positive news about Russia .... this is generally not a word. I would understand if it was expressed by someone like your Oleg705 or someone else like that, but hear from you like that ?????

            I still give up hope, she’s the last to die, right? still hear from you something more intelligible!

            I look forward to
            1. +1
              4 September 2012 06: 11
              vasy,

              Greetings, colleague. In order:
              Quote: Vasy
              I do not throw charges

              How else can you evaluate phrases such as
              Quote: Vasy
              all of you (your group) are hiding behind, no one can have an opinion that runs counter to your "general" course ???

              Quote: Vasy
              You, being the nominal owner of the site and manipulating other moderators, are enforcing your rules, despite the fact that it seems that these rules are legalized during registration?

              how unreasonable accusations of imposing your opinion on anyone, contrary to your will? Read carefully (without aspiration) and see how many disagree with my opinion on the site. Am I shaking each breast, demanding agreement with me? you are old enough to have an opinion. Have a ...
              Quote: Vasy
              , here on the site only oryayaya

              "Marvelous are your works, Lord!" Since when did satisfaction with the successes of your country come under the definition of "Urya-ya!", And chernukha - under the "truth of life"?
              Quote: Vasy
              everything else is punished very strictly, up to a mat, insults on national signs, etc.?

              Here I fell into a stupor because I didn’t get it - either they would punish him with mats, or you should not punish him with mats and insults ...
              Quote: Vasy
              our people are simply politically correct and not

              Let me disagree. For so ardently defended by you POROZHNYAK slipped into the forum to frank insults more than once, but I can’t say anything reprehensible about your father - a person who is smart and steady. In general, as they say now - adequate. Hi to him.
          2. snek
            +4
            4 September 2012 00: 48
            Quote: esaul
            It seems that they want to convince us by the characteristic presentation of this news of the sign of this emergency, with a show-off - everything is gone, the ships are burning! ...

            Quote: esaul
            Read news and articles, express your opinions, argue, observing decency, but - avoid any collusion, conspiracies, agreements and some dubious "tactical" notions. and suggestions!

            You urge to avoid "dubious notions" already after a post after they themselves thought up such a notion ... however, constancy.
            Quote: esaul
            Knowing the thoughtfulness and correctness of Smirnov, I am sure that the reasons for these or those sanctions are not unfounded. He himself repeatedly received "sticks" from Vadim.

            And what were these "sticks"? Something I do not see comments opposite your nickname, and the rating is intact, despite the fact that comments that offend others were ...
            1. +1
              4 September 2012 06: 19
              Quote: snek
              And what were these "sticks"?


              You know, I don’t share the addiction of some people to pick their underwear ...
              1. Karish
                +1
                4 September 2012 06: 45
                Quote: esaul
                You know, I don’t share the addiction of some people to pick their underwear ..

                Especially if this is your underwear. It is much more pleasant, in proportion to your attitude to ban others.
      2. vasy
        +12
        3 September 2012 19: 28
        Quote: esaul
        It seems that they want to convince us by the characteristic presentation of this news.


        Mr. Esaul, but I, a person on a completely new site, had the impression that here ....... a phrase from the movie ..... "They play uncleanly"!

        From all that I have seen and analyzed these days, I should conclude that, being the nominal owner of the site and manipulating the rest of the moderators, you are enforcing your rules, despite the fact that these rules seem to be legalized during registration?

        So, Mr. Smirnov found a new way of "harassing2 and" eliminating "unwanted (by this term I mean people who do not get off with 3 standardized phrases - uryayya, approval and good news, but have their own opinion that is different from yours)

        So I will continue: he transfers all the unwanted ones to the "Visitors2" group, which means that the mail is closed, you can write comments only at the bottom.

        Such a "baida" is now happening with Omar and Apollo, my father and Alexei with the nickname "for now", but when they raised this issue acutely, they removed all restrictions.

        In connection with the foregoing, Mr. Esaul and Mr. Smirnov, I pose questions and ask questions, or rather, I demand the answer:

        1. Why on this site members of the forum suddenly, at your will, are "divided" into "whites" (Evil Tartar, Winnie the Pooh, etc.) who are allowed a lot (almost everything) and "blacks" (Omar, Apolon), who are restricted from communication without penalties?

        2. Why are forum users punished, but everything is possible for moderators, Example: Flood Tronin in the topic about Mi-38?

        3. Why banyat not according to the Rules, but because of personal hostility (spender, VAF)?

        4. The fact that the moderators "scatter" is not the cause of the "crisis at the top"?

        Do not you think that it is time to radically revise your policy towards people with your own point of view and stop using the site only for propaganda purposes?

        Or here the principle applies - whoever orders the music, then only he dances it!

        I hope to get intelligible and understandable answers!
        1. +3
          3 September 2012 19: 38
          Quote: Vasy

          1. Why on this site members of the forum are suddenly, at your will, "divided" into "white" (Evil Tatar, Winnie the Pooh, etc.)

          Why were warnings removed from the Evil Tatar, why Igle was not given warnings for his rudeness. Why shouldn't the Evil Tatar be warned now? From the personal Banshee !!!
          1. +4
            3 September 2012 19: 45
            Alexander Romanov,
            it’s interesting here with rudeness on the site, here I agree with you guys, if for all it means to everyone no double standards. where they come from ......, they’ll stupidly be mean, they’ll just bring people under the bench.
            1. +2
              3 September 2012 19: 48
              Quote: igor67
              if for everyone it means for everyone no double standards.

              But the standards are from a personal Banshee, I think they will publish it soon.
            2. +3
              3 September 2012 20: 39
              Quote: igor67
              interesting with us with rudeness on the site, t



              I don’t accept rudeness, but I don’t manage to let everything go through myself, when I sent messages referring to rudeness, I deleted them or the rules, by the way, in vain you run into Smirov, he recently made a comment to all moderators

              Quote

              Dear moderators, a huge request if you see new on the site
              accounts or comments are similar to how they write "........" and "........" (aka "....., aka" ........ ") - inform the admin. They are banned for numerous violations of the rules of the site, but again register under new IPs and climb to the site.
          2. +1
            3 September 2012 19: 48
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            why Igle do not put a warning for his rudeness.

            Not true, I gave him a warning
            1. +1
              3 September 2012 19: 55
              Quote: Vadivak
              Not true, I gave him a warning

              Yes, we’re tweaking the only thing, but Oleg 705 is behind the nickname Igla (there is such an infa), he’s actually banned and if you look at his comments, his favorite word is shit, but it’s an insult and how many times he called everyone. Ask Banshee why he left, you’ll be very surprised , of his personal, many already have on the site.
            2. +3
              3 September 2012 20: 02
              Vadivak,
              Dear Vadim, I don’t understand, honestly, I live well, as it were, in an enemy country, and almost every day I hear about you and I’m fine as an enemy, but the same personalities insult Russian officers, albeit retired, and they are being punished for not understanding the logic.
              1. +3
                3 September 2012 20: 24
                Quote: igor67
                and almost every day I hear in my address w and d l

                l

                I honestly didn’t think that it was possible there, like a smart nation
                1. 0
                  3 September 2012 21: 10
                  Vadivak,
                  Thanks for the joke, I meant here on the site, and not in the country,
                  1. +1
                    4 September 2012 08: 22
                    igor67,

                    No jokes
              2. +1
                4 September 2012 00: 12
                Quote: igor67
                I live, as it were, in an enemy country, and almost every day I hear in my address and, okay, I’m like an enemy,
                Igor, what have you suffered? Which enemy? which enemy country? Is there something that you don’t have? There is a government, but there are people and one should not confuse two different concepts. Government can be the enemy, man not.
          3. Odessa
            +10
            3 September 2012 19: 50
            Uv.Adminstration! You can clearly express your position towards users on the site. Why is there one warning immediately for insulting an opponent, and for others like Winnie and Needle and Evil Tatar, you are tolerant and you close your eyes to everyone their speeches. And when, as it became known to me, the Banshee website moderator expressed his point of view, the feud began, and a fairly objective moderator was forced to leave. And the policy of double standards, the same duplicity is encouraged on the site?
        2. vasy
          +1
          3 September 2012 20: 16
          Quote: Vasy
          phrase from the movie ..... "They play uncleanly"!


          Dear administration!!!!
          You have a strange reaction to the questions of members of the forum.? recourse

          Then you get into any petty bickering,
          and then decided to take the position of an ostrich, but will sit out with a "head in the sand?" feel

          So you will not succeed !!! stop

          I reserve the right to post the above comments on other topics, until you give answers to the questions asked. soldier

          Yours faithfully,
          Alexander
          1. +8
            3 September 2012 20: 34
            And I still go to senior sergeants because of a dispute with the "greats" although I was an elder recourse
        3. Yarbay
          +7
          3 September 2012 20: 44
          Hello dear Alexander!
          You correctly noted in many ways that there is a problem !!
          Recently, I saw rudeness in relation to Omar and tried to understand the reason and talk with the author of rudeness!
          A man in a blatny tone, by the way who I hate since childhood, literally through the word pour me insults, which I called him a boor and cattle!
          I got a warning, the man also got a warning and was banned, but today I find out that he got warnings!
          Recently there was a case with bachast Isaac, literally for a word that everyone here says a hundred times they gave him a warning!
          He wrote me a letter asking him not to leave this site, because I openly wrote that if he was banned, I would leave!
          In the subject, he was insulted on ethnic grounds, that is, there was a manifestation of ethnic hatred!
          Seeing all this, I first express my gratitude to Vadim for the fact that he once understood me and did me a favor!
          Secondly, I realized that the further this situation continues, the more poop will be here, but I can’t and will not get dirty!
          I am an officer and cherish my Honor!
          I ask all my friends, comrades to understand me correctly, I consider intrigues as my opponents to be below my dignity!
          Dear Sergey, Alexey, Alexander, Omar, Esther, Eugenie
          1. Yarbay
            +2
            3 September 2012 20: 51
            Why are you erasing my comment ??
            Dear friends, until such a situation changes on the site, I will not be here!
            Please be patient and restrained and do not give in to provocation !!
            Dear Alexander, I completely agree with your conclusions and support you!
            By the way, right now, insults are being written against Jews and my nation and personally towards me rudeness in the topic about Syria, from the side of the martyr, but no one gives him warnings, although he writes direct threats from which I conclude that this policy of site managers!
            http://topwar.ru/18436-siriyskaya-artilleriya-nanesla-udar-po-li56vanskim-goroda
            m.html # comment-id-2844
            with respect!
            1. mar.tira
              +4
              3 September 2012 21: 08
              Quote: Yarbay
              direct threats

              THE COMPLAINT IS A PREPARATION OF THE WEAK. AND HOW I PERSONALLY YOU CHARGED. WHAT YOU ARE TRANSFERRING FROM A SICK HEAD TO A HEALTHY. IF I DO NOT AGREE TO YOUR LINE, WHY THE MODERATOR MUST ME BAN.
            2. Karish
              -3
              3 September 2012 21: 26
              Quote: Yarbay
              Dear friends, until such a situation changes on the site, I will not be here!

              Dear Alibek !! 1
              I really would not want to lose you as one of the most active and adequate participants in the forum.
              What is happening is the direct fault of the moderators and site managers. A simple example, the word i.d.o.t. It doesn’t pass, but the Jew is in the light. Such as ward. Roman and many others openly incite ethnic hatred and no reaction from the leadership of the site.
              People are banned just for having the wrong flag. another opinion. and how not strange intelligence.
              Dear administration, if you want only the site to remain
              grey mass . there was no exchange of views (in a civilized form), in the end, adequate people will simply leave when they find more intelligent sites.
              If Vaz is alarming (at least) - enter normal and honest rules, remove the epaulettes and advantages of the General Staff, interrupt the incitement of ethnic hatred. Sincerely, Alexander.
            3. Odessa
              +2
              3 September 2012 23: 03
              Yarbay,
              Dear friends, until such a situation changes on the site, I will not be here!

              Wait, don't go far!
            4. +3
              4 September 2012 09: 38
              I specially reread your entire dialogue, all within the bounds of decency. There are statements of hostility towards you personally, no more.
              No one expressed himself rudely about the Jews, since it’s impossible to call me an anti-Semite wink
              AND SO TO SAY ANSWER CLAIM TO VISITORS FROM ALL MODERATORS AND ADMINISTRATION OF THE SITE:
              WHY DON'T YOU WANT TO COMMUNICATE THESE FACTS TO THE MODERATORS 'INFORMATION, AND ONLY THEN KEEP DIRTY UNDERWEAR BEFORE EVERYONE TO SHOW !?
              LONG TIME ALREADY NO SECRET OF WHO ON THE SITE IS A MODERATOR AND PERSONALIZED TO TIP THE 30 SECONDS CASE. WE DO NOT ARE AROUND 24 HOURS ON THE NETWORK, WE ALSO HAVE WIFE, CHILDREN, AND GRANDS. WHICH WE NEED TO FEED AND ACCORDINGLY, WE SHOULD WORK, AND AT YOURSELF, IT IS OBLIGATED TO BE IN EACH DISCUSSION BRANCH CONSTANTLY - THEY HAVE CHOSEN US,
              1. Odessa
                0
                4 September 2012 12: 09
                urzul,
                WE ARE NOT LOCATED ALL-HOUR ONLINE,

                On many forums there are non-statutory requests. You should not write in large print. And we are not talking about your presence on the site within 24 hours. If any of the comments goes off scale in the `` ethics '', click the line-Report a violation of site rules.
                I will add the rest on the forum.
          2. Odessa
            -1
            3 September 2012 21: 40
            Yarbay,
            I ask all my friends, comrades to understand me correctly, I consider intrigues as my opponents to be below my dignity!
            Dear Sergey, Alexey, Alexander, Omar, Esther, Eugenie

            In principle, this is not news. When, due to the hooligan tricks of Olezhka, the WAF was banned, I also asked for the BAN, but I adornly realize that I wouldn’t have achieved anything and didn’t change it, from the situation on the site.
            And now, after a while, Winnie the Pooh reappears, and as if nothing had happened, takes up the same thing again. And the WaF, meanwhile, back in the BAN, Winnie the Pooh again began to provoke Alibek, again began to annoy Tranzhiru with his load, tried in a venomous form apologize for some well-known tanks and snipers, in short it’s not going one way.
            I understand that in some topics rushing is a good and humorous flood, but in some there is only continuous negativity and bawdyness. And besides this, for the sake of snot (ba ... all nicknames are familiar), officers (it doesn’t matter, in reserve, or retired ) banyat. Someone can explain to me why, after submitting such jerks, the site of the Military Review, with the connivance of the admins, turns into the site of the initial military training?
            1. +5
              3 September 2012 23: 09
              Quote: Odessa
              now, after a while, Winnie the Pooh reappears, and as if nothing had happened, he takes up the same thing again. And the BAF, meanwhile, back in the BAN, Winnie the Pooh again began to provoke Alibek, again began to pester Tranzhiru with his burden, tried to excuse himself in a venomous form for some well-known tanks and snipers, in short, it’s not going one way.

              Esther. Sergei and Lehi have a conscience, but no patience. They are quick-tempered, but honest. I can say this about most of my friends on the site. I can say this about you, Omar, Alibek, Sergey, Sanyam, Apollo (I don’t know my name yet), Igor (even about Sergey’s son) (by the way, Sergey let the guy sit on this site, he’s quite adequate, smart and with him It’s interesting to talk) and about many others (although we sometimes even argue here about snot). We are constantly provoked by comrades who want to make a blindly patriotic site here (for an example, see the article about Grachenka), well, not all of us have iron patience. But you are the law here and must be judged by justice. Or am I wrong? We must look for the root of the conflict and not cut the leaves.
              1. Odessa
                +1
                3 September 2012 23: 27
                Locomotive,
                It’s hard to disagree with you. Yes

                We are constantly provoked by comrades who want to make a blindly patriotic site here (for an example, see the article about Grachenka), well, not all of us have iron patience. But you are the law here and must be judged by justice.

                Those who do not know how to defend their point of view without evidence are in the ban. Since, due to the lack of facts, they begin to call people names. In everyday life, such instances of lyuli would be snatched away, and they take the opportunity that they’re in a tambourine on the site they don’t get it, and here they are bending their line, periodically insulting the interlocutor. negativeclick on the card.
                1. 0
                  3 September 2012 23: 30
                  Quote: Odessa
                  click on the card.
                  You are always 5+ laughing good
                2. vasy
                  +2
                  3 September 2012 23: 53
                  Quote: Odessa
                  Those who do not know how to defend their point of view without evidence, in the ban


                  Dear Esther, with your permission, the second part of my father’s thoughts about V. Morozov ... to you:


                  I should not write these messages, but they.
                  And speaking on TV screens is also their job!
                  Otherwise, why is this all?
                  Of course, Valera Morozov can sue, recover in the service, as Rasskazov did, but I would not do that.
                  There is no point in wasting time serving in such a Moscow Region.
                  Better change employer.
                  Still, the prosecutor’s office, which celebrated the 1th anniversary on September 145, would have to deal with other issues.
                  firstly, I would find out the source of the flow of information to the press.
                  It is impossible not to give out information verified and discrediting the honor and dignity of a person to the press, all the more so since they did not detain anyone, but for now they just interrogated, there is no criminal case yet!

                  It would be nice to figure out what kind of company goes to discredit aerobatics?

                  Kubinka should become an aerodrome for business aviation, it is clear that aerobatics are not needed there.
                  Everything is going according to plan, the lands are being transferred, the aerobatics are squeezed out of the territory, soon everyone will move to the 45th regiment, at the airport there will be only what provides flights and planes that are outside the shelters at the taxiway.

                  But we hope to come up with how to get rid of aerobatic teams at all, probably a setup with Morozov - this is one of the points.

                  And Novikov is only a performer, possibly buying an apartment. Well tired of being in limbo.

                  Sadly it all.
                  1. +3
                    4 September 2012 00: 20
                    Quote: Vasy
                    But hope to come up with how to get rid of aerobatic teams at all, probably a setup with Morozov - this is one of the points
                    Tell bata (sorry that he is not on the site) A lot of people do not believe in this baida. And if the Swifts and Knights fall apart, what are we proud of then? The captain of the training reconnaissance barque "Kruzenshtern" Resigned a year or a year and a half ago because of slander against him. That we can only be proud of the best military band? This is nonsense.
                  2. Odessa
                    +1
                    4 September 2012 01: 12
                    vasy,
                    Dad, say hello. Here, he sneezes here, both in the tail and in the mane, of some approvals. In principle, they say that in the East, you like to tell the truth, get ready to go with bruises. So here, I shared a reliable info, and immediately got to the category of provocateurs, etc. It is good that not all people are zombified, and are still able to distinguish black from white. And on the site, moderators at least warn what the violation is for. Unlike Contact, where in some groups, without warning, they merge into ChS. And in everyday life, just the same, frauds, false accusations, you don’t understand what kind of fuss, some media outlets make the fly, in pursuit of a rating promising profit, etc.
                    Romanov has been persuading me for a month to move to Russia. But after Israel, where there is a lot in relative order, to move to a country where there is a complete totalitarian regime, no, thanks, not for any tricks.
              2. vasy
                +5
                3 September 2012 23: 51
                Quote: Steam Train
                We are constantly provoked by comrades who want to arrange here simply blindly patriotic site


                Eugene, good night, I understand that not a lot is off topic, because the news about a fire on the ship is still being discussed. But my father wrote his thoughts about V. Morozov, it worked out a lot, so I will form one of two parts. One for you Komen, and one to Esther, which would be near and read more convenient.

                Here everything is just about the so-called care of our current leaders (so-called patriots).

                Once again, I apologize, which is not quite on the topic:

                A telegram came from the GUK - according to the order of the minister dated August 30, by September 5 to prepare documents for the dismissal of Valery Morozov for not observing the terms of the contract.

                The news, frankly, is sad. Not only because Valera will no longer serve. Of course, it’s a pity that Kubinka is losing the commander. I think the prosecutor’s office will understand this matter and not bring to criminal proceedings.

                The problem is different.

                What kind of State is this, namely the Ministry of Defense, which throws its Officers like that? The question is of course rhetorical. The prosecutor’s office increased the inspection time by 10 days, which means that normal people are sitting there and they understand that there is not enough evidence.

                But the MO simply orders Morozov by his order. If he is fired, then he is a bad commander and he must be punished more strictly.

                The conclusions from this are sad. We say that young people are fleeing from the army, far from the best representatives of youth are entering schools.

                And who will go to serve in an army that leaves its own in trouble? Why didn't the Information Department stand up for its own? Why did some "mass media" throw so much dirt on the commander of the "Swifts", and none of the Ministry of Defense responded and gave their information?
                After all, Valera Morozov is not just a good guy, he is the face of our Air Force, the commander of the world famous Swifts aerobatic team !!!!!
                Where is this public council under the Ministry of Defense with its leader, speaking with or without comments, as an expert in all areas ????

                All disappeared right away ......
                1. +1
                  4 September 2012 00: 01
                  Quote: Vasy
                  Eugene, good night, I understand that there’s not much off topic, because all the same, the news about the fire on the ship is being discussed. But father wrote his thoughts about V. Morozov,
                  Goodnight. This is not important. Damn why do we put our dogs in dog poses and do not look for the guilty ?. The prosecutor’s office is now digging and shut up, and the one who was appointed will be to blame. Sorry for the swifts, who will now command them. If we had more like your dad, a cool man.
                  1. vasy
                    +1
                    4 September 2012 00: 09
                    Quote: Steam Train
                    Goodnight. This is not important.


                    Hello from Alexey!

                    1. +1
                      4 September 2012 00: 22
                      Quote: Vasy
                      Hello everyone from Alexey,
                      Red is invincible. laughing Evo where not to poke all the same the whole face in sour cream. laughing
                      1. Odessa
                        +1
                        4 September 2012 00: 48
                        Locomotive,
                        Red is invincible. Evo where not to poke all the same the whole face in sour cream.

                        Redhead, by the way, is in touch, he won’t get lost or lost anywhere. And the day he had today, for 100+ good drinks
              3. -1
                4 September 2012 07: 05
                Quote: Steam Train
                We are constantly provoked by comrades who want to make a blindly patriotic site here (for an example, see the article about Grachenka), well, not all of us have iron patience


                Zhenya, welcome. In this statement of yours, I cannot agree with you. "No, no! I can't accept this!" For me, VO is already a purely patriotic site and will remain so, despite the periodic appearance of outright trolls and enemies of Russia. Nobody ever bans critical statements (I did not even delete frankly boorish attacks against me, for clarity of the manual) and does not delete because, healthy criticism is a vaccination against complacency, but until it turns into a hotbed of infection.
                Regarding your competence, I never had doubts, and if one of the members of the forum allowed a boorish attack on the wave of discussions of a specific topic. then this is a matter of his moral health and consciousness of self-esteem. Unfortunately, we cannot be insured against negativity at 100% (and is it necessary? You need to know what it is and you need to be prepared for its manifestations) - the Internet is a platform open to all winds.
        4. ytqnhfk
          -1
          3 September 2012 21: 41
          your "so far" has never written anything sensible and comments "everything is bad, everything is gone and we are the worst, and so on." and they believe all the oranzhinoids and they themselves spread problems everywhere in any country, but they want to destroy ours with the help of such morons who see only the bad and destroyed the USSR! Now they want to destroy Russia, and yours are helping by this ......... Tolerant! So think they are traitors or just fools! in principle, this is the same thing !!!
          1. Odessa
            +1
            3 September 2012 22: 27
            ytqnhfk,
            your "so far" has never written anything efficient

            It’s not true, he wrote, and even very much! And it’s not for you to blame him!
            Then comes the untranslatable nonsense.
            and the comments "everything is bad, everything is gone and we are the worst, and so on" we have already got our action, everyone knows what they write, but are happy that there are shifts, people are working to correct the situation, but yours only see everything black and believe all oranzhinoids and they themselves spread problems is everywhere in any country, but they want to destroy ours with the help of such morons who see only the bad and destroyed the USSR! Now they want to tear Russia apart and your help this very ......... tolerant


            So think they are traitors or just fools !! In principle, this is the same !!!

            The traitor is different from the fool. The latter sincerely believes that he is right, showing initiative and since he does bear services for nothing.
            And the traitor, much more sophisticated than the fool, he betrays, and knows for what. As Judas betrayed because of money, etc. So the traitor, the main motive is only the benefit for himself beloved.
          2. +2
            3 September 2012 23: 11
            ytqnhfk And what benefit do your comments give?
        5. 0
          4 September 2012 06: 23
          vasy,

          Alexander, I have persistent doubts that you are ready to HEAR any arguments if they contradict your guidelines. And getting involved in a fruitless discussion means turning the site into a showdown. I came to this conclusion on the basis of your ignoring my proposal in the style of "Guys, let's live together!"
          1. vasy
            0
            4 September 2012 15: 39
            Quote: esaul
            Alexander, I have persistent doubts that you are ready to HEAR any arguments,


            Valery, drop all your doubts ... answered you in the morning, but Mr. Smirnov asked me to go to the forum Moderators and the VO admin, which I did.
            so all the answers are there, if interested, you can find it in the public domain!

            There I wrote my suggestions for improving the site (purely my opinion and suggestion), but due to the small visit ... I will post it here, there is nothing before them judicious.
        6. +6
          4 September 2012 07: 30
          Dear, the so-called "opposition of the site" (which you probably really want to be), "fighters for the truth", there is a forum for discussing such topics, there I answered almost all your complaints, welcome to the discussion: Moderators and admin BO
      3. +5
        3 September 2012 20: 30
        Quote: esaul
        none of us this happens

        May 18, 2012. The participants in the collision were the Essex universal amphibious assault ship and the Yukon refueling tanker, both ships assigned to the US 3rd Fleet.

        June 7, 2012Fire at the American Nuclear Submarine (NPS) Miami, with

        June 8, 2012, A fire broke out aboard the latest American aircraft carrier, George W. Bush. The ship at the time of the emergency was at the base in Norfolk (Virginia)

        August 13, 2012, US destroyer Porter collides with Japanese tanker Otavasan
    3. -6
      3 September 2012 17: 59
      The sand again sabotaged the sabotage as with Kursk in due time! The rejoining power of Russia is not given to the Yankees of peace! And again at the very beginning of Putin’s reign. Strange coincidences, isn't it?
    4. +8
      3 September 2012 18: 01
      Did the crew put out the fire? - Well done.
      Everyone is alive? - Wonderful !
      Why did the engine room of the latest corvette catch fire? - it is necessary to understand and remove to the maximum such potential dangers from the seaman.

      Good luck Guards!
    5. +2
      3 September 2012 18: 03
      I don’t know if this is sabotage or not .... but it’s unpleasant to hear about a ship that went into operation not long ago.
      1. 0
        4 September 2012 00: 42
        Quote: Redmont
        .but it’s unpleasant to hear about the ship that went into operation not long ago.

        What is so nice. They reduced the service life of conscripts, oh, how sweet, but what will they comprehend in a year? If only the name of the BBZ is remembered.
    6. +2
      3 September 2012 18: 05
      Why immediately sabotage? The hungry rat crawled into the visor and heroically burned out - that’s the whole diversion. The main thing is that they coped with the fire and no one died - that means the struggle for survivability is set at a good level.
      1. +3
        3 September 2012 18: 18
        More than an hour to eliminate tanning in the ducts corridor ...? - and this is a good preparation!?!?!? Anyone who even represents the design of the ship, he will understand that in the corridor of the flues can only burn cable routes and shields. After de-energizing, such fires are eliminated by chemistry or, in extreme cases, water within 10-15 minutes ...
        In our time, for such "standards" of the fight for survivability, the ship's commander and the BC-5 commander flew from their posts at the moment ...
        1. +1
          3 September 2012 18: 27
          vadimN
          After de-energizing, such fires are eliminated by chemistry or, in extreme cases, water within 10-15 minutes ...

          Fire, fire, strife. Especially if you are experienced in this area. In the specifics article, it is not enough and unequivocally to send the captain to the tribunal, and it’s too early to stigmatize stupid people. It does not seem?
        2. 0
          3 September 2012 18: 39
          I’m not familiar with the design of the gas ducts, but on the parachute, if the tracks are burning, it’s complete .., there will be specific info about the causes and dimensions of the fire, we will find out.
        3. not good
          +2
          3 September 2012 22: 42
          During WW2, 1 was recorded in the Northern Fleet !!! In the event of a loss of speed by a warship, upon arrival at the base, the commander and BCH-5 were shot. After the war, the loss of speed by the ship was automatically equal to the removal of the commander from his post. provision, remained one of the main types of combat training. In my memory, the commander "once a week brought a barrel of diesel fuel to the trainer, if only his crew was driven there to the fullest, and drove so that the teeth from the soot were black. It lies entirely on the commander's conscience, Abnormal situations can, unfortunately, occur and the result is an indicator of the professionalism of the crew.
      2. 0
        3 September 2012 18: 31
        Ага.
        Well said, Lelikas, short and clear.

        And the reasons, the actions of the crew and the fulfillment of the standards for survivability must be disassembled at the base: with feeling, with a sense and arrangement according to "I don't want most" to everyone and everything.
      3. 0
        3 September 2012 18: 33
        Ага.
        Well said, Lelikas, short and clear.

        And the causes of the fire, the actions of the crew and the compliance with the standards for survivability must be analyzed at the base: with feeling, with sense, and with the "I don't want the most" to everyone and everything.
      4. 0
        4 September 2012 20: 47
        Short circuit in cable networks with subsequent smoke ..
    7. +2
      3 September 2012 18: 09
      It’s bad, however, they teach sailors, so 99 percent of accidents on ships in peacetime are a jamb of the crew.
      1. +1
        3 September 2012 18: 36
        Whence infa about 99%, you are not confused with the aircraft?
    8. +1
      3 September 2012 18: 12
      Sadly, I hope the ship will be operational soon ...
    9. +2
      3 September 2012 18: 16
      If these are shortcomings of shipbuilders, then it is better to identify and eliminate them now! I hope that it’s not a jamb of the crew ..
    10. Odessa
      +2
      3 September 2012 18: 19
      It’s good that no one was hurt. But as indicated in the publication
      that because of the fire "Savvy" will not be able to take part in the international naval exercises "Danex-Noko-2012"

      Is it really impossible to substitute another corvette for the teachings, or was it only the Clever on the go, in a single copy?
      1. +1
        3 September 2012 18: 58
        There is also "Guardian", but I don't know where he is.
        1. Odessa
          +1
          3 September 2012 19: 03
          lelikas,
          There is also "Guardian", but I don't know where he is.

          It is written about him in a publication, and I must also, I don’t know where he is. And is he on the go?
          1. 0
            3 September 2012 20: 41
            Bliiin, I thought we were "Smart" discussing recourse .
            1. Odessa
              -1
              3 September 2012 21: 43
              lelikas,
              Bliiin, I thought we were "Smart" discussing

              The turkey also thought ...
          2. not good
            +2
            3 September 2012 22: 56
            "Guarding" in Kronstadt and even on the move, but they will not be allowed in, they may not return laughing Intra-base name "hemorrhoids of the Russian fleet"
            1. +1
              4 September 2012 08: 30
              Buddy
              Local politicians will not understand you.
              Urya did not shout 3 times to the glory of the fleet. And the fire did not put out the sand.
      2. vorobey.
        0
        3 September 2012 19: 03
        Quote: Odessa
        Clever and was, in a single copy


        But this will soon be seen.
    11. thatupac
      -1
      3 September 2012 18: 25
      Smaller personnel need to, where not necessary. A typical drink ... the food is there.
      1. +2
        3 September 2012 22: 23
        Quote: thatupac
        Smaller personnel need to, where not necessary. A typical drink ... the food is there.
        Everything and on all ships БЧ5 always smoked in a typewriter. And no one was burnt. Although they were hiding from the officers.
        1. not good
          +2
          3 September 2012 23: 00
          During the service, I learned to stop smoking my cigarettes in the wrong place with regular inspections (a record of 17 night fire alarms). We did not smoke ourselves and drove strangers.
          1. 0
            4 September 2012 08: 59
            I didn’t bring the sentinel for survivability of the mine for an hour. We begin to develop the lines of defense to combat water.
            And build an emergency link. In general, the Holy.
            So many places on the ship can be found. And all with the removal of the control standard.
            They hated me quietly. But in the future it helped them and me.
    12. mar.tira
      +2
      3 September 2012 19: 16
      There was news that everything seems to be possible to fix. And MAYBE he will come out all the same for exercises.
      1. +1
        3 September 2012 20: 37
        I want to believe! otherwise we count them individually, but here it is !!! ordinary mlyn recourse
    13. 0
      3 September 2012 19: 18
      and personnel from conscripts or contractors? if from conscripts, then confusion is understandable. and if they are contract soldiers, the question arises: what do they teach them?
    14. andrey.joshua
      0
      3 September 2012 19: 42
      We must assume that soon after all these RANDOM fires: in military depots, still operating boxes .... vigorous disposal of chemical. weapons ..... news will be received, such as: Yesterday, a random fire occurred on a TOPOL M rocket ..... in connection with this, the government commission removes complexes from combat watch ..... until the circumstances are clarified !?
      In other matters, as they say, the local regular rating generals and other marshals ..... All this is a banal accident, a panic from nothing. They work off 30 pieces of silver .... And how they try .... fool
      1. +2
        3 September 2012 20: 40
        My question is different! Take the example of Syria. A bunch of Russian AK, RPG, PC, KPVT, RGD, F, etc. where do all the democrats come from !!! and now further - why do our warehouses burn? don't you find parallels? am
      2. vasy
        +2
        3 September 2012 22: 06
        Quote: andrey.joshua
        In other matters, as they say, the local regular rating generals and other marshals ..... All this is a banal accident, a panic from nothing. They work off 30 pieces of silver .... And how they try ...


        Well, all of you, under one, Esaulovskaya, comb .. do not cut!

        The Clown ytqnhfk, higher on the tape, writes on the contrary, that we are all morons and traitors and the USSR, we have collapsed and now we are encroaching on the Russian Federation ?!

        This is where working off ...... the language is probably sweeping from the ground to .. everything is sweeping, but are you talking about some 30 pieces of silver ???

        For them .. it's shallow! To you +! soldier
        1. +2
          3 September 2012 22: 25
          Quote: Vasy
          Look, the clown ytqnhfk, higher on the tape, writes on the contrary, that we are all morons and traitors and the USSR, we have destroyed and now we are encroaching on the Russian Federation ?!

          Well, don’t. Esaul likes living under Putin wink
          1. vasy
            +2
            3 September 2012 23: 38
            Quote: Steam Train
            Esaul likes living under Putin


            So who is against request Like ... drink, in the sense of .... sing, damn it, I messed up everything, in the sense of .. live .... no one bothers lol But let him keep "his" "like" with himself, and not "impose" on others!

            Let’s say, I liked living under the USSR, I certainly walked under the table, but my father took me to the airfield every day in the summer and not only ......, but now ... airplanes, where are you ?? ???
            1. +1
              3 September 2012 23: 54
              Quote: Vasy
              For example, let’s say I liked living under the USSR, I certainly walked under the table, but every day my father took me to the airport every summer and not only ...
              Lucky you. and my dad put me on skates in 4 years 1974 (I still play hockey). And at 76 he brought him to a yacht club (I still love sails) So everyone has their own element.
              1. snek
                +2
                4 September 2012 00: 40
                Quote: Steam Train
                Well, don’t. Esaul likes living under Putin

                Well, there will always be people who like any power.
    15. Alarm bell
      0
      3 September 2012 19: 54
      In the engine room, they don’t put out the fire with water, especially saline, everything is much simpler, the crew is evacuated, the room is closed up and the stationary volumetric fire extinguishing system is launched, in other words, CO2 is released into the Moscow Region.
      1. not good
        +1
        3 September 2012 23: 02
        Cool, you tell "maslapupam" about this, they also love fairy tales, sorry do not believe.
        1. 0
          4 September 2012 07: 59
          I agree. I’m just bullshitting from local politicians.
          They canceled irrigation systems forever. And everyone extinguishes CO2. Some on wheels offer fire extinguishers to haul. (wheels will help on a vertical ladder).
          Other powder. One pleases.Sand is not strewed.
    16. +4
      3 September 2012 20: 20
      Dear Esther! Good evening hi


      Odessa
      ................... And in Russian, roughly speaking, the man survived ........... ..

      I can’t write in front of you, I am writing from here, I'm sorry a small edit did not survive but just leaked that’s how it will be more accurate in my opinion
      1. 0
        3 September 2012 22: 26
        I am joining. Very right friend.
        1. +2
          3 September 2012 22: 47
          Apollo, by the way, what's your name? I’m not used to contacting rattles, we still have names.
    17. Melchakov
      0
      3 September 2012 20: 28
      I don’t know whether to rejoice or not. sort of put out and no one was hurt, but
      sediment remained
      ... I understand that it may not be the topic and I run the risk of getting cons, but "Wait a minute" did not fall under the group of 18 plus.
    18. 77bor1973
      +1
      3 September 2012 20: 39
      let's shorten the service life, so that it would be really fun in the navy ...
    19. +3
      3 September 2012 20: 41
      Dear Konstantin!
      And I still go to senior sergeants because of a dispute with the "greats" although I was an elder



      Well, what did you do well, by golly, as a child you want, I will give it to you, I don’t need them ............ talk to the administrator if it is possible I will give it only this way.
    20. urchik
      +1
      3 September 2012 20: 50
      why the whole world to blow about the standard situation.
      1. Captain Vrungel
        +3
        3 September 2012 21: 06
        You mean Not a regular situation. If this situation is normal, shipbuilding should be stopped immediately.
        1. not good
          0
          3 September 2012 23: 06
          Maybe it’s more correct as before, under the heading of a chipboard, with an investigation and analysis of the reasons, bringing to everyone in the part concerning the signature and in case of repeated distribution of elephants?
        2. Odessa
          +2
          3 September 2012 23: 18
          Captain Vrungel,
          You mean Not a regular situation. If this situation is normal, shipbuilding should be stopped immediately.

          This is a subtle Odessa humor, stop shipbuilding, and drain the entire Baltic.
          1. +1
            3 September 2012 23: 32
            Quote: Odessa
            , stop shipbuilding, and drain the entire Baltic.

            And what does the glorious city of Odessa and the Baltic have to do with it? smile
            1. Odessa
              +1
              3 September 2012 23: 42
              Locomotive,
              And what does the glorious city of Odessa and the Baltic have to do with it?

              Captain Vrungel from Odessa, and then go through the posts. fellow
              1. Captain Vrungel
                +1
                4 September 2012 06: 15
                SW countrywoman! We will not drain the Baltic. We’ll stay without sprat.
    21. -1
      3 September 2012 20: 59
      And the last question to the administrator why I wanted to put down Apollon plus comment Vasy 19: 28 (aka Alexander) on this thread but it turned out minus.
      1. with
        +4
        3 September 2012 21: 05
        Quote: Apollon
        And the last question to the admin why I wanted to put down Apollo plus comment Vasy 19:28 (aka Alexander) on this thread but it turned out minus.

        The polarity has changed !!!))) bully
        1. vasy
          +4
          3 September 2012 21: 16
          Quote: met
          Polarity changed !!!)


          This is really ... beautifully said, just two words, but how much SENSE !!! good ++++++++ !!!!! But it turns out there is only one request
          Then one bigger and bold PLUSER! drinks
        2. 0
          3 September 2012 21: 22
          with,
          Met ("dead" in Hebrew), no offense, just for information drinks
          1. with
            +1
            3 September 2012 21: 30
            Quote: igor67
            met
            Met ("dead" in Hebrew), no offense, just for information

            Life in Hebrew - "Chaim", death - "Met" (not dead)drinks
            But if I looked up in Hebrew choosing a nickname .....)) bully
            I generally accidentally entered the court, almost a year ago, instead of a nickname I inserted my code without a digit (I won’t say numbers and don’t hope), and then I liked it ... it's that simple ...))) hi
            1. Karish
              0
              3 September 2012 21: 35
              Quote: met
              death - "Met

              Death in Hebrew is a mawet. Met - dead, do not try.
              1. with
                +1
                3 September 2012 21: 49
                Quote: Karish
                Death in Hebrew is a mawet. Met - dead, do not try.


                Two back, you generally wrote another !!!
                In general, who cares what my nickname is, I’m not discussing yours !!!))) bully
                I understand that I really want to kick, it doesn’t work, so let's get to the nicknames and avatars !!!))) bully
                "Met" - in Hebrew "DEATH"!
                http://zarubezhom.com/istoriarus.htm
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Golem_and_Loew.jpg
            2. 0
              3 September 2012 21: 41
              with,
              Quote: met
              ", death -" Met "(not dead

              finally dead, believe me, muta-death. mut-doom, death, death, but you are more alive than all living !!! drinks
          2. Karish
            +1
            3 September 2012 21: 32
            Quote: igor67
            Met ("dead" in Hebrew), no offense, just for information

            Igor, how are you? Watching the series * Game of Thrones *? Highly recommend. Now on YES. 2nd season is over.
            The dead cannot die.
            1. +2
              3 September 2012 21: 47
              Karish,
              I have a hot Sasha, but I don’t watch a TV set, my father-in-law took over from morning to evening, the geographer took a look, probably half a bastard is there every day about Hitler, my nerves will not last
        3. Odessa
          +2
          3 September 2012 22: 19
          with,
          The polarity has changed !!!)))

          Mat, you just don’t touch religion!
          And burn further! You do it!
          1. with
            +1
            3 September 2012 22: 32
            Quote: Odessa
            Mat, you just don’t touch religion!
            And burn further! You do it!

            You just had a bad mood that day, and the weather that day was not so hot !!))) hi
            Yes, and I put it wrong there, meaning I’m not offended, wrote what the hell! hi
            Here you may still like it now !!!
            1. Odessa
              +1
              3 September 2012 22: 37
              with,
              You just had a bad mood that day,

              I have the envy of many, the mood is always good
              Yes, and the weather that day was not so hot !!)))

              And the weather, yes, a word, at the end of C negative
    22. -2
      3 September 2012 21: 18
      again stolen and tried to hide the tracks .....
      1. with
        +1
        3 September 2012 22: 10
        Quote: sasha 19871987
        again stolen and tried to hide the traces ....

        Yeah, the submachine gun dynamo rammed the colormet !!!))) bully
        SchA saw brooms !!!))) bully
    23. +4
      3 September 2012 23: 02
      Locomotive
      Apollo, by the way, what's your name? I’m not used to contacting rattles, we still have names.

      Eugene I ask you to be patient soon you will find out everything. I do not want to deceive you but I can not tell the truth.

      And before wishing you all good night friends, I’ll say one thing which I just have not seen enough on this site and Hochma and rzhachka and bitterness and disappointment. I am grateful to all of you that you are all there!
      1. +2
        3 September 2012 23: 25
        Vladimir Vladimirovich ?
      2. +1
        3 September 2012 23: 33
        Good. Will wait. drinks
    24. davoks
      0
      4 September 2012 01: 03
      long corvettes are being built

      Laid down in a boathouse of a plant in St. Petersburg on May 20, 2003, launched on March 31, 2010
    25. alex4i4erin
      +1
      4 September 2012 01: 13
      Captain Vrungel,
      There are no losses, the ship is alive. OK.
    26. Spartach
      +1
      4 September 2012 06: 30
      She rams banned me - it’s sickening to read your shit. Dukes - go work damn it .. Enough of other people’s successes and failures here to suppress .... Yes, this is not enough and the news is strange here :) You’re ridiculous my MODERING friends :))))
      1. 0
        4 September 2012 08: 45
        Go to rambler, there is all your news, local - Made in USA wink

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