Sohu on the incident with the destroyer Defender: the British are going to spy on the Russian defense system in Crimea

The incident with the violation of Russian borders in the Sevastopol area by the British destroyer Defender is commented on in different countries of the world. The actions of the British military in China were not ignored. On this occasion, they speak in the Chinese Sohu.

The author of a Chinese information and analytical resource notes that this is an open provocation. According to him, this is clearly proven by the presence on board the warship of the BBC reporters who were broadcasting.

From the article:

Russia's sovereignty over Crimea has never been recognized by the West. In Great Britain they said that they did not violate international law, but passed through the territorial waters of Ukraine. For the Russian side, this passage was a violation of the maritime borders of Russia.

The author notes that the British destroyer knew very well that they were taking risks, since "you can talk as much as you like about Ukrainian territorial waters, but de facto they are Russian."

The Chinese Sohu indicates that one of Britain's tasks is to "determine Russia's power capabilities in the Crimean direction":

The British tried to assess the level of air defense, anti-ship protection.

In addition, it is indicated that such actions could not initially have been carried out without coordination within NATO, at least with the United States.

From the material:

The British are going to spy on the Russian defense system in Crimea. Therefore, an attempt was made to get as close as possible to assess the Russian reaction. And the Russians did not miss the opportunity to play a trick on the British. Russian Admiral Vladimir Komoedov said that the British lion managed to turn into a rat.

In the Hong Kong edition of HK01, users are also actively commenting on the situation. A few comments:

And what will the empire, over which the sun never sets, do if the Russians get angry next time and sink the intruder ship? I know. Britain, by the law of the genre, has to say that there was no shooting.

The BBC are such fools that they themselves have confirmed the British provocation.

Russia: I defeated you! Britain: No, I didn't!

Britain is learning loud words from the United States.

And a meaningful user comment:

Next time, if you want to violate Russian borders, it is better to drain the engine oil in advance ...

Comments

[Magic archer]

In general, such provocations are carried out constantly. The border is violated from the sea and from the air. So, in principle, an ordinary incident. Hopefully we will do something similar too.

[Blacksmith 55]

Don't do something like that.
Next time after warning, open fire on the ship.
I think they made it clear that this is not a joke.

[paul3390]

open fire on the ship

Maybe it's easier to overtake something of an ice class from the North and stupidly ram the Okayans?

[boris epstein]

Maybe repeat "Donald Cook"? Stun, blind, immobilize and disarm with electronic warfare equipment. Take the captain and navigator on trial to Sevastopol, take the captain and navigator to court, deport the rest of the crew. Study the ship thoroughly.

[S. Sergei]

Everything with an ice class has a low speed.

[Alex777]

The FSB video appeared.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAVRcyndS_g

[Primipilus]

Here the Soviet Navy in 1988, in almost a similar situation, acted really well (made a bulk). And now we have come to what they are: these violate our borders, others destroy our plane and helicopter, the pilots are killed, they are killing the ambassador (!) The moral of this is simple, every action must be counteracted. Otherwise, they will just soon start coming to Red Square to shit and wipe themselves with our flag.

[For example]

Quote: Primipilus

Here the Soviet Navy in 1988, in almost a similar situation, acted really well (made a bulk).

What's so great about that?
Ruined their own ships.

There are weapons that need to be used.

Warships after all. And the sailors on them are by no means civilians.

These are not fishermen who, apart from ramming, cannot do anything.

[An64]

You have gone a little too far - the air border has not been violated for many years. They fly up several tens of kilometers to the border, ours raise a fighter to meet them, the "friends" turn around and fly away ...

[Magic archer]

Dear, I just know what I'm talking about. I live on the Kola Peninsula. Near the air defense airfield. I know the pilots. And I know a little more than you. Not everything gets into the media. Both Mig and 31 sooooo often chase "accidentally" wandering NATO flyers

[SERGE ANT]

And this was the case in Soviet times, when the SKR "Selfless" and "SKR-6" literally squeezed two American warships (the missile cruiser Yorktown and the destroyer Karon) out of our waters, and now it continues and not only in the Black Sea - “On November 24, 2020, the Russian Ministry of Defense announced the invasion of the territorial waters of the Peter the Great Gulf in the Sea of ​​Japan by the US destroyer John McCain. The ship entered the Russian maritime border for 2 km.
He pushed the intruder into neutral waters by the anti-submarine ship of the Russian Pacific Fleet "Admiral Vinogradov", which headed for the American ship and informed its crew about its readiness to ram. Thereafter, John McCain made no repeated attempts to trespass. "

[For example]

Quote: SERGE ant

headed for the American ship and informed its crew about the readiness to go to the ram.

Another one with a battering ram ..

Are they going to ram on the trawler?
What are you proud of?
The toothlessness of a warship?

What kind of officers are there who are afraid to use weapons where they are required apply it.

They ram from hopelessness when all other possibilities are exhausted.

[Thompson]

About how you itching to wave a sword while sitting at a computer.
Maybe you, for example, do something more civil, since you are not a strategist.
I am glad that more far-sighted personnel are working in the General Staff.

[Looking for]

you at least a little think. before writing heresy. similar provocations-UNITS !!! FOR TEN YEARS.

[Vladimir61]

Quote: Magic Archer

The border is violated from the sea and from the air. So, in principle, an ordinary incident.

Private for Bangladesh or Monaco, not for a nuclear country, which NATO officially considers its enemy!
We are still softly commenting on this event, at the official level. You need to state your position clearly and unequivocally - such provocations will be suppressed by all available means, up to and including destruction.

[xorek]

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Quote: Magic Archer

In general, such provocations are carried out constantly. The border is violated from the sea and from the air. So, in principle, an ordinary incident. Hopefully we will do something similar too.

So yes, I agree .. But I would not call this incident an ordinary one .. For the first time it was fired upon and even aerial bombs were used against a NATO ship .. I have not heard such a thing in the world for a long time ..
The conclusion is that Russia does not intend to express concern about such impudence in the future .. !!! That's what is most important and the order to use air bombs was adopted at the highest level .. Well done Putin and Shoigu, enough of babysitting them.

[Vladimir61]

Reply from the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation

Russian border guards and the Russian armed forces will continue to take a rather tough stance in relation to such provocations, strictly in accordance with international law. In the event of a repetition of unacceptable provocative actions, if these actions go too far, no action can be ruled out in terms of the legal protection of the borders of the Russian Federation, '' Peskov clarified, answering the question whether the Russian military could strike at the violator in the event of a repetition of a similar situation.

[xorek]

Quote: Vladimir61

Reply from the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation

Russian border guards and the Russian armed forces will continue to take a rather tough stance in relation to such provocations, strictly in accordance with international law. In the event of a repetition of unacceptable provocative actions, if these actions go too far, no action can be ruled out in terms of the legal protection of the borders of the Russian Federation, '' Peskov clarified, answering the question whether the Russian military could strike at the violator in the event of a repetition of a similar situation.

Good answer ! It's all called, got bastards and want to play? Come on, try again the patience of the Russians ..

[Vasya_20]

None of this will happen, and the Ministry of Defense is already changing the rules of procedure of Russian aviation against ships violating our state border, towards weakening it and using lighter weapons, so as not to damage the violating ships of the "respected pagtnegs" unintentionally and accidentally by fragments!

“The Ministry of Defense is creating a unified procedure for the actions of Russian aviation against ships violating the state border. It will provide for the use of lighter weapons to reduce the risk of serious military incidents. The use of conventional aerial bombs can be too dangerous. Debris from heavy ammunition is capable of flying hundreds of meters away and causing unintentional damage. Experts believe that provocations in our territorial waters will become more frequent and we must be ready to respond to them adequately, but unguided rockets are enough to demonstrate intentions. The incident in the Black Sea on June 23 with the participation of a British destroyer could speed up the adoption of the new document.
The regulations are now under consideration in the main command of the Navy and the Aerospace Forces. It will revise the set of weapons that aviation can use for warning fire against intruders. Thus, it is proposed to abandon the use of aerial bombs in favor of unguided aircraft missiles (NAR), sources in the military department told Izvestia.
Standard combat manuals and manuals for aviation and navy are of little use in such cases. When acting against violators, the task is not to destroy them, but to prevent illegal actions. Usually such tasks are solved by the border service and coastal defense. But their technology is not designed to withstand large and well-armed warships. "
https://iz.ru/1183775/anton-lavrov-roman-kretcul/raketa-na-preduprezhdenie-kak-budut-ostanavlivat-korabli-narushiteli

And what kind of "counteraction against violators of state borders" is this, if, a quote: "the use of conventional aerial bombs can be too dangerous ... and ... fragments of heavy ammunition can fly hundreds of meters and cause unintentional damage." And I would also like to learn from the "strategists" from the Ministry of Defense how this can help: "... to reduce the risk of serious military incidents ..." and "... to prevent illegal actions of violators." ???
Everything that is happening now more and more resembles a cheap circus and theater, for the amusement of puppeteers from the world culture and behind the scenes - it's a pity only for our soldiers and sailors who will really die in this senseless meat grinder! (((((

[ccsr]

Quote: Magic Archer

The border is violated from the sea and from the air.

This is not entirely true, because in my time, over the territory of the GDR, there were three air corridors to West Berlin, and a ring of flights around both Berlin. And since we had air defense units of the group and 16 VA units on duty on alert, for some reason none of the NATO aircraft, including the civilian countries of the bloc members, had the idea to fly out of the borders of this corridor, even with a very dense flight schedule. As far as I remember, there were no incidents for many years, although of course minor excesses could occur, but none of the Westerners wanted to risk their lives - that is why they observed the decency and discipline of flights.

[Igor Vorobyov]

well, we also do it somewhere the same way on our own experience. violated the borders of Pakistan for a few minutes in order to take visual contact of the AUG "Midway", as the border guards escorted the gun around. we went on a combat alert. readiness number 1, so they quickly lagged behind us after rotation with the bow and stern guns, so there is always reconnaissance and tracking, there was and will be, and these publications for couch warriors

[APASUS]

As I understand it, our ships should immediately visit Argentina for a friendly visit and pass by the Falklands?

[Uncle lee]

if you want to violate Russian borders, it is better to drain the engine oil in advance ...

The best comment!

[Magic archer]

Past the Malvinsky and even conduct joint exercises with the Argentine fleet off the islands

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Magic Archer

Past the Malvinskys and even conduct joint exercises with the Argentine fleet off the islands

A competent proposal, I am for!

[tralflot1832]

No, it is enough to bypass the Orkney Islands. 4 days sailing from Severomorsk, and if at full speed a day less.

[Jcvai]

You can not go anywhere, at the level of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs expressing a desire to improve relations with the independent countries of Scotland and Ireland ... additional calculations.

[tralflot1832]

There are no violent Irish and Scottish people. Scotland will print the Scottish pounds, which are in circulation throughout England, at a rate of one to one. They have very strange requirements for independence. And after the exit from the EU of England, my forecast this movement will come to naught. Pounds budget. and that's all.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

No, it is enough to bypass the Orkney Islands. 4 days sailing from Severomorsk, and if at full speed a day less.

And walk between the Hebrides, right - left.

[tralflot1832]

And go to Ullapool, there is a gorgeous bay! And the festive fireworks at the Hybrid from all trunks, there at the sarushka Lizka - a dacha, tomatoes, cucumbers and corgi dogs, I had one. I died of old age last year.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

And go to Ullapool, there is a gorgeous bay! And the festive fireworks at the Hybrid from all the trunks, there is a dacha at the sarushka Lizka

The place is gorgeous, on Christmas for a week at the invitation of the shipschandler's father (to the right of Ullapool), although he lost an anchor on the roadstead, and two in Lerwick.

[tralflot1832]

So there is a reason to pick it up, but in Allapool we shot down two English fighter-bomber fighters in Allapool. There is nothing to rehearse on us at night.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

So there is a reason to pick it up, but in Allapool we shot down two English fighter-bomber fighters in Allapool. There is nothing to rehearse on us at night.

They have an airbase in the Hebrides, before the attack on Hussein, they practiced bombing, and the target was the ships standing in the roadstead. I remember.

[tralflot1832]

My friend swore very much, until the end of the flight they called him an evil air defense shnik.

[paul3390]

walk past the Falklands

Then the Malvinas Islands ..

[mad]

This is the second name of the same island ridge.

[paul3390]

Thanks. And I thought they were different .. Duc - we can also Bonch-Bruevich one person tell me?

[knn54]

-Russian Admiral Vladimir Komoedov said that the British lion managed to turn into a rat.
Great Britain - from the word "great".
Rats are very intelligent animals, and with them (unlike the British) you can live in peace.

[tralflot1832]

And if you still feed the rats, then they have no price!

[rusich]

Next time you just have to drown. And when it lies at the bottom, it will be seen whether it has violated the state border of the Russian Federation or not. And all the lies in the person of Boris and others will stop

[tralflot1832]

About engine oil ... A Chinese man knows that it can be cold in winter. Chance to stay alive in cold water if he douches himself with motor oil before jumping into the water. The tragic story of the Tarasov ro-ro-roater off the coast of Canada. He is probably aware of those events.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: tralflot1832

The tragic story of the Tarasov ro-ro-cruiser off the coast of Canada, he is probably aware of those events.

Not many people remember the tragedy of "Mechanic Tarasov". My classmate was 2 assistants. one of the survivors.

[Nemestnyi]

Quote: APASUS

As I understand it, our ships should immediately visit Argentina for a friendly visit and pass by the Falklands?

I am for.
Where are we going?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Nemestnyi

Where are we going?

On foot.

[Kushka]

Is the brace weak?
Two sailors went overboard and are sleeping in a puddle.
Millionaire - Hey you get up!
Those eyes were ripped out - Leave! Rescue
women and children! And we ourselves ..... Vanek,
well, let's go brass?

[paul3390]

Where are we going?

I have an inflatable boat with a motor ..

[Wolf]

As for what it took 22 minutes:


https://youtu.be/WuUjFStxnVU


As for the provocation, they even wrote a script and prepared BBC for filming. Everyone on the ship Defender (Zashitnik) was prepared for military action.

Predosavka that as the date of "Sea Breeze" will be approaching there will be more provocations ???
Is that a question?

[Dude]

Predosavka that as the date of "Sea Breeze" will be approaching there will be more provocations ???

I don't know if there will be such provocations during the Sea Breeze, but I am absolutely sure that the discussed provocation is not the last one.

[Wolf]

As for the reaction of the Ministry of Defense and the Crimean border guards, THEY DID EVERYTHING RIGHT !!!
Shave the bandit, and behave like that. This is similar to the situation when we met with signs of street gangsters in a bar and one of them takes your lighter, eats 2 solutions USEFUL, just slaps in the face, but it’s stupid to waste energy and it’s MOST RIGHT TO DEMAND THAT WOULD RETURN THE LIGHTER IF YOU DO NOT WANT LIFE BY THE SIDE.
The third solution WILL BE TOTALLY MISTAKE!

[tralflot1832]

Good afternoon, the captain of the provocateur ship Owen, in the English manner, confirmed blah blah blah the fact that the Russian side opened warning fire. The Saxons are starting to work back. Johnson: I remember the times when relations with Russia were even worse. Signal: the incident is over.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: tralflot1832

Good afternoon, the commander of the provocateur ship Owen, in the English manner, blah blah blah confirmed the fact that the Russian side had opened warning fire.

Yes Yes

Only Russian sailors know exactly at whom and in which direction they fired.

[Wolf]

Here, the border guards fired warning shots, not important. THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DEMAND ONE BANDUGES TO RETURN THE LIGHTER, IF HE RETURNED EVERYTHING OK !!!
And Defender returned the lighter !!!

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Wolf

And Defender returned the lighter !!!

No, did not return.
He said like - "yes, there was someone rustling under the bench, figs knows who, figs knows why."

[Wolf]

They returned the lighter and in time!

[tralflot1832]

They fired confirmed, confirmed. I don’t have the courage to admit that they were firing forward on the course. And you admit, the Chinese will definitely shoot. The last time they fired at insolent in the last century, and here on you. They could not even imagine in a nightmare that it would be like this. a ton of bombs just do not say anything, they also exploded. Malvin's syndrome in action, when they were drowned by bombs and missiles that did not explode.

[Wolf]

Traflot and empty shooting is not good, if you take a sword THEN CUT TO FULL.

[tralflot1832]

It's not evening yet, he will go back from Georgia, the Black Sea is our puddle. Although the Ukrainians dug it, and dug it in a strange way, the depth begins on our shores, I think they had some kind of historical plan. pubs to the crew of this defender.

[rocket757]

Sohu on the incident with the destroyer Defender: the British are going to spy on the Russian defense system in Crimea

Also, news to me .... espionage never stopped.

[tihonmarine]

Russia's sovereignty over Crimea has never been recognized by the West.

Crimea itself decided that it is Russian. The West and the Britons can think what they want, but the fact is the fact - Russia.

[K-50]

The British tried to assess the level of air defense, anti-ship protection.

It will be more than enough for them to drown, moreover, together with their islands!

[jncnfdybr]

It was necessary to detain and not to shoot at the course. And to Sevastopol to the parking lot. And then they would figure out who HU is.

[Jacket in stock]

They pretended that all our warnings to them are nothing more than a fuss of ants.

We behaved confidently, did not enter into confrontation and used our right to continue innocent passage through international waters along a recognized shipping route ... We were out of the range of the guns, as we were moving at a speed of 30 knots, while they were at a speed of 21 ",. ..
Only Russian sailors know exactly at whom and in which direction they fired.

[Volder]

Fresh news on Lenta.vru: The Sentinel-2 satellite filmed the violation of the Russian border by the British Defender. This refutes the statements of the British side.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Volder

This refutes the statements of the British side.

This refutes nothing.
The Britons immediately announced that they were on their own course and did not recognize any boundaries.

[Alex Justice]

The captain kept repeating on the radio that these were international waters and that the Russians were not acting professionally.

[Volder]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The Britons immediately announced that they were on their own course and did not recognize any boundaries.

They have already understood that it is dangerous not to recognize de facto. Russia has shown that it is not afraid of either a diplomatic or a military scandal.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Volder

They have already understood that it is dangerous not to recognize de facto. Russia has shown that it is not afraid of either a diplomatic or a military scandal.

They realized that Russia has slow ships and blind planes and that they can spit on all our red lines, because there is no political will to defend them.

[Volder]

The British destroyer did not cross the red line. He just crossed the border of the territorial waters of the Russian Federation. Russia has shown the whole world how to act humanely, civilized and professionally in such cases. It is stupid to sink or capture - this is if the ships will not react to warnings in any way. Remind me how Ukrainian boats were seized in the Kerchesk Strait in 2018?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Volder

this is if the ships will not react to warnings in any way.

Did he react?
I followed my own course.
If you believe our version, then 10 minutes after the warning salvo, bombing was also required.
I agree to drown, there is nothing. Now, if he showed aggression, then yes. And so he just lost all our attempts.

[Volder]

Quote: Jacket in stock

Did he react? I followed my own course.

What is this "own" course? Do you know his planned course? Surely the course was straight to the Crimea, to check how close you can get to a foreign shore. It is difficult to come up with other goals for the path of the English ship in those waters.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Volder

Surely the course was straight to the Crimea

Very funny.
Moreover, they have already published their plans, like they lost in a heap of garbage, everything is clear and everything is logical there. On a tangent, go to our ter. water. What they did.

[iouris]

Johnson has shown that he is not going to honor Biden's deal with Putin, which is destroying the entire system. War means war.
It is better to drown once in the Sevastopol region than later to have a similar problem on the Northern Sea Route.
Britain must repeat the provocation, taking into account the nature of the enemy's actions, otherwise they will lose face. If they do not want to lose face, then their opponent will lose face. And who is their opponent?

[kventinasd]

But I wonder if something like this happens again in the future and ours try to use Varshavyanka, will such a destroyer have time to go out into neutral waters with a couple of exploding torpedoes in its belly?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: kventinasd

I wonder if something like this happens again in the future and ours try to use Varshavyanka, such a destroyer will have time to get out into neutral waters

The Brita have a speed of 30 knots. They easily got away from our patrolman. Varshavyanka will not catch up with him at all.

[kventinasd]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The Brita have a speed of 30 knots. They easily got away from our patrolman. Varshavyanka will not catch up with him at all.

Duc will not catch up with Varshavyanka, but her torpedo, which has a speed above 50 knots. Will the destroyer sail far away from her?

[mad]

Quote: paul3390

Thanks. And I thought they were different .. Duc - we can also Bonch-Bruevich one person tell me?

Of course one, the second was removed from the allowance back in 37

[Eugene 1475]

We must provide a video of shooting and bombing. And all the questions will be removed themselves !!

[Slobodskoy]

And what does the Voice of Mordovia write about this?

[businessv]

Quote: For example

They ram from hopelessness when all other possibilities are exhausted.

Your second post, similar to the first. If we use weapons for all the ships (aircraft) that violated our borders, then already 50 times the third world war could begin! It's just that our crews receive appropriate instructions on how to act in a particular situation, and these actions are much wiser than those that you suggest.

[opuonmed]

can distract from something? these provocations

[petrol cutter]

* Chinese Sohu indicates that one of the tasks of Britain is to "determine the power capabilities of Russia in the Crimean direction":
The British campaign succeeded, more than twelve airplanes flew through me in the last thirty minutes. It was not my intention to count them. Just fly and fly. I thought it was one / a couple of brains treated, like during the day. The circles were punctuated, they were bombs on the Chaud. But no, they spar one by one at approximately equal intervals into Tu Step.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, you have their nest there, as I see. Ours were already waiting for them in the air and at the airport. Lucky.

[nikvic46]

I think Russia will have to confirm the status of territorial waters near Crimea more than once. But we must take into account that there are other NATO ships on the other side of the Black Sea. I cannot judge the strength of the Turkish fleet. But it must also be taken into account.

[Tramp]

but this ball on top will be knocked down by somebody.

[Tramp]

maybe they gobbled up whiskey over there as they shake.

[Yellow bubble]

Russia is not ready to fight, the population is not ready at all, what kind of ombuds is where is the logic, to post on sites about the greatness of whom ??? OLIGARKHOV? SO THEY ALREADY ABROAD WHO WILL Fight? WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY FORCES AND PEOPLE AS TO RESIST THIS NEW IGO BEFORE, WE ARE NOT READY !!!

[Cuba]

one warning, and then - drown!

[Neznaykina]

Next time, the "crap Englishwoman" will drop a nuclear bomb on Russia. There will be no answer. Where is the money and the real estate of our entire top? Where do their children study and work?

[Lara Croft]

The British tried to assess the level of air defense, anti-ship protection.

It is easy to stop this problem. Well, sell you at a symbolic price Argentina upgraded Su-24 with anti-radar and anti-ship missiles in a set ....
Conduct aerial reconnaissance of Cyprus in the vicinity of the British WB stationed there ....
Support Spain on the return of Gibraltar .....
To do nasty things to the British on all fronts, even where they do not expect it, the Russian Federation still has nothing to do with the British, otherwise the children of our officials and oligarchs will suffer ...
The British all over the world have more interests than the United States ... only there are fewer resources ...
Let their interests around the world stumble upon our confrontation ... once they recognized Soviet Russia and Crimea as Russian, they will not go anywhere ...