Experts are discussing the possibility of adopting the experience of the US Air Force in repainting aircraft in enemy camouflage

Against the background of the appearance of new photos from the so-called "aggressor division" of the US Air Force, experts are discussing the question, is it necessary to use this kind of American practice in the Russian Aerospace Forces? "Aggressors Division" in the United States is called a formation where aircraft perform the role aviation enemy. For these purposes, they are repainted in the colors that are used, for example, by the military aviation of Russia and China.

Recently, a material appeared in the American media, which says that the F-18 (F / A-18E) aircraft was part of the aforementioned formation of the US Air Force repainted so that it had a certain similarity with the Russian fifth generation Su-57 fighter.

Aircraft with imitation paintwork in the United States are used for training flights. Often, they are decorated with the attributes of the Russian Aerospace Forces and the PLA Air Force. The imitation of air battles and interceptions is often carried out. One of the main tasks is the visual identification of such aircraft by the pilots of the US Air Force fighters, the ability to quickly determine the distance, assess how the camouflage is perceived by the “eye” when flying at various speed modes.

In the United States, they note that now in the "aggressor division" there is a certain lack of aircraft to simulate enemy aircraft, primarily to simulate new generation aircraft.

In Russia, experts have no consensus on this matter. While some point out that such American experience must be adopted and disseminated in the RF Aerospace Forces, others have a different point of view. In particular, the argument is made that computer simulators may be more in demand for "visualization", where imitation of an enemy aircraft can be implemented more efficiently - taking into account not only camouflage, but also the main performance characteristics of the fighter, so that the student can imagine how he will lead your opponent. However, in the case of computer simulation, the implementation of the concept of artificial intelligence is needed so that the enemy's behavior is not calculated initially.

Comments

[Zaurbek]

You can repaint the Su33 ..... they, all the same, have nothing to do

[Grandfather]

Experts are discussing the possibility of adopting the experience of the US Air Force in repainting aircraft in enemy camouflage

... which of the opponents will see the "camouflage" in battle ...? like: "get that one with the dragons" ..

[figwam]

Why do they need camouflage, they didn’t want to engage in close maneuvering combat.

[andr327]

why should we repaint ours? Not your own, so right away .......

[Oleg Aviator]

It is high time. They are not shy. Insignia and tactical numbers too.

[nnm]

What's the point? In my incompetent opinion, this will do a disservice. Firstly, I doubt that in modern combat, enemy identification will be done visually. Secondly. Even in a dog dump it is better to train "as is", otherwise we will get used to relying on identification by camouflage, and the enemy will take and paint their planes in our colors.
It seems that it is more important not to repaint the colors, but to adopt the modern tactics of fighting the enemy.
But again, the opinion of the pilots is more important here, of course. If they themselves believe that this makes sense, then they definitely need to do it.

[Lord_Bran]

I don't think this makes much sense: it is unlikely that there will be massive dogfights, where visual identification will be more important than radar data. In the end, visual identification by wings, hull lines, etc. is somehow more practical.

[Egoza]

Quote: Lord_Bran

I don't think it makes a lot of sense:

For Americans, it does. Some company makes good money selling paint

[Lord_Bran]

Argument, you can't even argue

[Torins]

I also think that this practice does not make sense. But to practice interceptions and air combat more often - yes, it is very necessary, and in general to fly more.

[Alexander 3]

It is very interesting - when do Americans squint at the Chinese pilots squint their eyes? I think they need to practice this, otherwise the Chinese will immediately suspect a fake.

[Torins]

And it is imperative to have a Chinese wife, without this it is impossible to understand the way of thinking of a Chinese pilot.

[Alexander 3]

Well, if the pilots exchange wives, they will generally be imbued with love for each other.

[dimy44]

Trained, trained, and we took ours, and repainted)

[Kurare]

Quote: dimy44

Trained, trained, and we took ours, and repainted)

And so it was. It is only necessary to compare the evolution of the color of the PAK-FA and then the Su-57. The Americans have tried everything.

[Bshkaus]

Camouflage in the modern sense is a little over 100 years old and was developed for very specific tasks: to distort the size of an object, create the illusion of greater / lesser distance, and make it invisible against the background of other objects. If in the 21st century experts are pondering what should / should not be done, then drive them out of their posts with wet rags. Miroavya practice has long come to the conclusion that it is necessary to the point that unused aircraft should have a coloring of airfield plates with joints fitted to real plates. Any method of misleading is always in place, even mimicry for the color of the enemy aircraft in a real battle

[Prisoner]

Are not the experts working for the paint companies who call to paint our devices under the "amera"?

[Ilya Nikitich]

One of the main tasks is the visual identification of such aircraft by the pilots of the US Air Force fighters.

And if our planes are drastically repainted before the battle, will the pindos be able to identify them?

[Nastia makarova]

you need to repaint your planes in completely different colors before the war, and then the American training is down the drain))) this is a joke

[akarfoxhound]

Cool, but who are these experts who have an opinion? And how many of these "experts" air battles behind them? We have for the media everyone who blurts out something about aviation and inserts "turbulence" or "aileron" into their speech - is they already an expert?

[Ros 56]

Where to laugh? At such missile launch ranges and at such aircraft speeds, who will see how the aircraft is painted? Why make people laugh, or someone wanted to go back to WWII?

[Revolver]

And what, the flare on the radar is also painted in the colors of potential opponents?

[Palestinian]

well, let the silhouettes change ... hang boxes ... bed grates ... sandbags)))))))))

[rocket757]

Experts are discussing the possibility of adopting the experience of the US Air Force in repainting aircraft in enemy camouflage

One of the moments, elements of training, the designation of the politically "correct" line of training for the Armed Forces.

[cniza]

This should have been done a long time ago, but better later than never ...

[rocket757]

Rebirth of the ancestral experience ... troops must recognize the enemy at a glance.

[cniza]

Many things are not used, but we can only resent and dream ...

[cniza]

Experts are discussing the possibility of adopting the experience of the US Air Force in repainting aircraft in enemy camouflage

The USA will be outraged ...

[rocket757]

The Fuhrer was also indignant .... did not help!

[cniza]

So and not only him, it seems there are still those who wish ...

[rocket757]

"there are few violent", basically an inert mass that rolls along the rut ... and even that depends on whether the edges of the rut are blurred or not, they can steer, from the route laid out for them.

[cniza]

They can only grow violent and we know where they are trying to do it ...

[rocket757]

It is possible to grow it ... that's just their "seedling" is clumsy, nothing sensible will grow from it.

[cniza]

They do not fully understand with whom they contacted, but these are their problems ...

[SovAr238A]

It is strange to read about the "division".
There are several separate squadrons there. But there is no "division".
The aggressor squadrons have more than 40 years of experience.
And the Americans are using this experience to the fullest.
At first there was one squadron for carrier-based aircraft of the US Pacific Fleet.
Now there are about a dozen of them.
This means that the Americans find it extremely useful to have such units in their forces.
The Red Flag exercises (combat pilots and pilots of the National Guard against the Aggressors), they are carried out 4 to 8 times a year.
And basically these exercises, just at the BVB.
Both single battles and group battles.
Again, over 40 years.
And if they continue to use "someone else's" camouflage all this time, it means that there is an unequivocal benefit in this.
Otherwise, they would not use it.

[rotmistr60]

Whether to repaint a dispute or not is a dispute about nothing. Let medicine, and the pilots themselves, say that visual skills are better and faster - painting a plane that looks unlike in appearance or a simulator with a realistic picture and configuration.

[Vladimir Vlasov]

This is a flow control system.

[Ivanushka Ivanov]

Are they completely degraded? What are we discussing? 37 comments in all seriousness is a diagnosis. And the Experts already have nothing to do? Recently, they laughed at the ancient Ukrainians, which switched to NATO standards, imitating enemy ships with air mattresses.

However, this is apparently the only place where we are still competitive. So paint Shura, paint. There is nothing to saw, so paint.