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Treason at the level of the Minister of Defense. Or as a “general in a skirt” disgracing the entire Russian army and its commander in chief

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Treason at the level of the Minister of Defense. Or as a “general in a skirt” disgracing the entire Russian army and its commander in chief

Head of the Department of Education of the Ministry of Defense Ekaterina Priezheva is a very attractive blonde. The nails of her well-groomed hands, she prefers to paint in dark colors. Now, with a sweet smile, she is stifling her nails on the legendary GK Military Aerospace Defense Academy. Zhukov. And the Minister of Defense, who should rein in his subordinate, is rather silent. Despite the requirements of the President - the Supreme Commander.

Fighting Academy

To destroy military academies by mergers and acquisitions is the favorite fun of the current civilian leaders of the military department. Vyacheslav Tetekin, a member of the State Duma Committee on Defense, went along well with these “mergers”: “The mountain and dental institutes merge together because there is a drilling-drilling process here and there.”

Recently we wrote about how, having translated the N.E. Air Force Academy. Zhukovsky and Yu.A. Gagarin in a certain "Voronezh military educational and scientific center of the Air Force", the grief-reformers lost all scientific personnel on the way ("AN" No. XXUMX). Now they have begun the pride of the national aerospace defense - the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense (VA EKR) named after G.K. Zhukov (Tver).

Initially, there was an order of the Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov to reduce the staff from July 1 and completely liquidate the academy from December this year. The noise rose incredible. Still - "Zhukovka" is unique. It was there, back in the 1 of the last century, that the concepts of “aerospace defense”, “strategic aerospace operation” were introduced for the first time, the principles of aerospace defense, organization and structure were developed. Hearings were held in the Public Chamber and the State Duma Defense Committee. All known military leaders stood up for the academy. Dozens of letters were sent to President Vladimir Putin with the signatures of such people that it was simply impossible to dismiss them. And it would seem that they won.

The Academy was promised to be made a branch of the Military Space Academy (AFV) named after A.F. Mozhaisky (St. Petersburg). And nothing that in Tver prepared the commanders of the units, the command staff of the corps, divisions and armies of the air defense. And in St. Petersburg - junior engineering officers for the units, providing launches and flights of spacecraft. “The main thing is that they have been preserved,” the vekoshniki sighed happily.

The second part of Marlezonsky ballet

But it was not there. Not such people Prizezhev and Serdyukov, to retreat from their plans. We decided to strangle not by hook or by crook. And slyly, in Jesuit.

More than 200 foreign students from Algeria, Syria, India and other countries study at the Academy. Of course, they learn not for free, bringing millions of dollars a year to the Russian treasury. But at the same time, it is Zhukovka that requires a diploma. Plus, with these countries Russia has billions weapons contracts. They say that in the Ministry of Defense of Algeria, they grabbed their heads when they learned about the liquidation of the academy. And they directly declared to Moscow: “If you do not fully train our cadets, then we will not purchase your air defense weapons. Since there will simply be nobody to work on it. ” And this is not millions, it is billions of dollars.

Apparently, from behind the walls of the Kremlin there was such a formidable shout that they decided to play a little back in the Russian Pentagon. And Ms. Priezheva is preparing a directive on the temporary suspension of the liquidation of the academy. Defense Minister Serdyukov gladly signs it. And the essence of the directive is simple - the academy will be destroyed anyway, but later. When foreign cadets go home.

“It is proposed to complete the training of foreign military personnel for contractual commitments made in the VA EKR, reorganizing it into the GCA branch with subsequent liquidation after completion of the training. For this period, continue to use the funds of the Air Force of the East Kazakhstan region, primarily the system of training command posts for the training of specialists in the Aerospace Defense of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation. The proposal was agreed with the commander of the Aerospace Defense Forces, ”writes Priezheva in a directive.

The latest issue of foreign cadets is 2015 year. Year of the sentence of the academy.

So, simply and with taste. What is the words of President Putin for Priezezhevoy or Serdyukov ?! Just think, said many times that the forces of Aerospace Defense are the most important means of deterring a potential enemy. Yes, do not care and forget.

Help

Before arriving at the Ministry of Defense, Prizezhev worked as the head of the department of taxes and duties on alcohol and tobacco products of the FTS. FTS then headed Serdyukov. Isn’t it too expensive for us to put a habit on highly professional positions that are completely incompetent in military affairs of tax specialists? After all, it is not only lost and "sawn" billions. The most important thing is the defense of a country that, under the strict guidance of such “personalities,” is already striving for negative values.


Treason?

Outdated material and technical base was called one of the main motives for the destruction of the VA VKO. Some numbers.

Academy. Zhukova possesses a unique system from 36 modern interconnected training command posts (KP) RKO and air defense - from the tactical to the operational-strategic level. The majority of CPs are installed permanently, in an educational version, and their transportation is impossible. The total cost of the system is about a billion rubles. Moreover, it underwent a complete modernization in 2011 – 2012. Only in the Academy have been developed and widely used imitation complexes, allowing to simulate all the processes of confrontation in the aerospace space ("Altek", "Spectrum", "Kolchuga"). Their creation took years of work and the costs of huge intellectual and material resources.

- The Tver Academy is a base university for a unified air defense system. This is a world school. It trained specialists for friendly countries, including the CIS countries. If we stop preparing them now, they will go to NATO academies and will relate to our country quite differently, ”said colonel general, former chief of the Air Force General Staff Boris Cheltsov to AN.

Mikhail Zakharov, the teacher of the tactical and armament department of the ZRV Military Academy of the East Kazakhstan region, sadly said in a conversation with the Academy: “The mood in the academy is now the most decadent after the directive of Priezzhevoy”.

- Who benefits from our destruction, such anti-state policy? USA only. And this is not a mistake, it is a state crime, - said Lieutenant Colonel Zakharov.
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  1. Krilion
    Krilion 4 September 2012 08: 00
    +63
    paraphrasing a famous phrase, I can say one thing: when they mention the name of Serdyukov with me, the hand involuntarily starts looking for a gun ....
    1. INTER
      INTER 4 September 2012 08: 32
      +21
      They should have wound a phrase on their mustache, Break not build. To begin with, they would create an alternative. This is more like burning food and villages by the enemy ((((( fool
      A woman in the army like a monkey with a grenade))) laughing
      1. fantast
        4 September 2012 11: 01
        +16
        A woman in the army like a monkey with a grenade)))

        or with a gun ... laughing
        1. Fox
          Fox 4 September 2012 11: 11
          0
          stupid niggas :)
          1. Bismark
            Bismark 4 September 2012 14: 27
            +4
            Yes, but it just turns out that "niggas" are you and me!
        2. RUS-36
          RUS-36 6 September 2012 18: 02
          +2
          Something in this monkey reminds me of the actions of Ekaterina Priezheva in the current disarmament policy of Russia .. - shoots in her own way ... pad ..... la
          1. Sleptsoff
            Sleptsoff 8 September 2012 19: 09
            0
            Her own in London are sitting.
        3. Su24
          Su24 9 September 2012 04: 38
          -1
          thanks, laughed))
      2. VseDoFeNi
        VseDoFeNi 8 September 2012 10: 23
        0
        Quote: INTER
        They should have wound one phrase on their mustache

        It would be worth remembering for all of us. We broke our country twice in the last century. And both times by the hands of the communists. The first time, it was literally with the words - "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the core," and then there was a civil war, a complete decline in the country, millions of victims ... The second time, by the hands of the communists (who doubts, in a search engine - Chubais KPSS, Gaidar KPSS ... and further down the list) destroyed the newly rebuilt country.
        The first time they were led to promises - "land to the peasants, factories to the workers." As a result, the land was taken away from the peasants and the workers did not receive the factories.
        For the second time, chewing gum and other husks fell on jeans, destroying the second largest economy in the world in terms of GDP.
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 9 September 2012 01: 47
          +2
          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          The first time, it was literally with the words - "We will destroy the whole world of violence to the core"


          of course of course. and the tsar with attendants and "temporary" seemed to be in the business. at the first time, all the polymers went through and the war was poured, and the second, even the rest were able to [beep] at and bring the country to bacchanalia and the Civil War. and only the Bolsheviks, who raised the lying power and took responsibility, are to blame.

          you read the explanatory book of the tsarist general Golovin "Military efforts of Russia" in two volumes. there Golovin very sensibly describes who and for what to thank for the fact that RI was where it was. and even a list of executions is given, in which members of the royal family, industrialists, financiers and military leaders are increasingly indicated.

          Quote: VseDoFeNi
          The second time the hands of the Communists


          call these nits communists - to offend real communists. the shifters you listed are party members, not communists.

          even among the twelve apostles there was one Judah, and in the Communist Party there were 20 million. stopped cleaning from fleas - that’s the result.
        2. Su24
          Su24 9 September 2012 04: 40
          -1
          But do not, for the first time it was the hands of the Februaryists.
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 4 September 2012 08: 45
      +18
      And the Minister of Defense, who must restrain his subordinate, is quite silent. Despite the demands of the president - the Supreme Commander.

      And then there will be

      The Office of the State Order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announces the sale of the released real estate military property through a public offer
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 02
        +6
        Quote: Vadivak
        The Office of the State Order of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announces the sale of the released real estate military property through a public offer

        Not then We see, but already a number of objects are owned by relatives of the abovementioned persons. Not so long ago, infa passed on the site.
        1. Che
          Che 4 September 2012 12: 55
          +8
          Alexander Romanov,
          The whole world or something to climb the fight against traitors. How are the Cossacks?
          1. Magadan
            Magadan 4 September 2012 15: 59
            0
            Quote: Che
            The whole world or something to climb the fight against traitors. How are the Cossacks?

            This is one option, to know how to climb correctly?
            For me, this is how we must completely forget about any remnants of tolerance and consider not only such figures as traitors, but also members of their families. Maybe the time will come when the real people's courts begin and go to Siberia in shoals descendants Gaidars, Chubais and this madama. Let's say to them, these descendants - "the son does not answer for his father, but how else to scare the future scum? So go sonny, trumpet for life for your dad and mom."
            I look forward to the law on the responsibility of bureaucrats for their decisions. They, the bureaucrats, would be better off. Our people do not forgive betrayal. Get in any way to these animals.
      2. INTER
        INTER 4 September 2012 09: 04
        +4
        Quote: Vadivak
        quite silent

        Still with such Serdyukov not be satisfied, satisfies)))))))))))) laughing
        This is a new tactic of our warriors, we will send such girls to the war, in which case, the deterrent weapons))))
        Interesting article look:
        http://www.ruscadet.ru/amy/person/priejeva/priezjeva-2.07.11.htm
        1. Astartes
          Astartes 4 September 2012 12: 21
          +7
          - Vasily Ivanovich Anka crawled to white right now, I bang her! - Quiet Petka is our biological weapon))
          1. INTER
            INTER 4 September 2012 13: 45
            0
            In and in about the same good
        2. carbofo
          carbofo 4 September 2012 14: 58
          +3
          Quote: INTER
          we will send such girls to war, in which case, the deterrent weapons))))

          Well, how much will this monster hold back? Well, 2-3, then die from sexual happiness.
          Although if the claws are so poisonous, maybe someone will die from infection.
          1. INTER
            INTER 4 September 2012 15: 29
            0
            Quote: carbofo
            Well, how much will this monster hold back? Well, 2-3, then die from sexual happiness.
            Although if the claws are so poisonous, maybe someone will die from infection.

            And there probably sexborgs with hypnosis will be invented, realistic. They will be like an odyssey in pleasures, forget why they came wassat wassat
      3. Click-Klyak
        Click-Klyak 8 September 2012 13: 36
        0
        Despite the requirements? Do you seriously think that Serdyukov acts without Putin’s consent? Then Putin doesn’t own the situation?
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 00
      +11
      Quote: Krilion
      when they mention the name of Serdyukov to me, the hand involuntarily starts looking for a gun ....

      There isn’t enough guns, Serdyukov put a bunch of his people and not a few women among them in all senior positions. And most of them are military ignoramuses .. Putin will seriously lose his rating with such managers and he should understand this. Moreover, the country's defense should be in the first place with the generals, and not with these Serdyukov and the like.
      1. INTER
        INTER 4 September 2012 09: 16
        +5
        TAMARA FRALTSOVA. Previously, she has elegantly occupied the post of head of the department of military education and science.
        1979 - graduated from Kemerovo University
        1981 - 1990 - work in kindergartens.
        1990 - 1992 - head teacher of the Kemerovo gymnasium No. 89.
        1992 - 1996 - Director of the gymnasium No. 89.
        1996 - 2000 - Head of the Department of Public Education of the Central District of the city of Kemerovo.
        2000 - 2003 - Head of the Department of Education, Administration of the Kemerovo Region.
        2003 - 2008 - State Duma deputy (naturally in EP)
        2008 - 2009 - Director of the Boarding School for Pupils of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
        In 2009, she was appointed head of the Department of Military Education and Science of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
        -------------------------------------------------- -----------------------------
        Ekaterina Gennadievna Priezzheva
        Born in 1967
        What, what and when in these years is still hidden ....
        On the Internet it is found that:
        In 2003 - Head of the Department for Monitoring the Turnover of Alcoholic Products KERPPiT (St. Petersburg)
        To March 2005 - Head of the Interdistrict Tax Inspectorate No. 1 of St. Petersburg (the one that A. Serdyukov managed in 2000-2001)
        From March 2005 to June 2007 - head of the department of taxes and duties on alcohol and tobacco products of the Federal Tax Service (head of the Federal Tax Service since July 2004 - A. Serdyukov)
        Since June 2007 - Advisor to the Minister of Defense (since February 2007 - A. Serdyukov) on the social block
        1. Armata
          Armata 4 September 2012 09: 47
          +9
          Quote: INTER
          TAMARA FRALTSOVA. Previously, she has elegantly occupied the post of head of the department of military education and science.
          1979 - graduated from Kemerovo University
          1981 - 1990 - work in kindergartens.
          1990 - 1992 - head teacher of the Kemerovo gymnasium No. 89.
          1992 - 1996 - Director of the gymnasium No. 89.
          1996 - 2000 - Head of the Department of Public Education of the Central District of the city of Kemerovo.
          2000 - 2003 - Head of the Department of Education, Administration of the Kemerovo Region.
          2003 - 2008 - State Duma deputy (naturally in EP)
          2008 - 2009 - Director of the Boarding School for Pupils of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation
          In 2009, she was appointed head of the Department of Military Education and Science of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
          By the way, too, an interesting topic. Explain to me what does the institution of noble maidens have in relation to the army and defense (the boarding school for pupils of the Moscow region)?
          1. INTER
            INTER 4 September 2012 11: 20
            +2
            This is what I want to know what request
            1. Armata
              Armata 4 September 2012 11: 56
              +1
              Quote: INTER

              This is what I want to know
              I read about him. The boarding school for pupils of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation was created by decision of the Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation A.E. Serdyukov in the framework of the implementation of the "Strategy for the Social Development of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation for the period until 2020", by order of the Government of the Russian Federation of July 21, 2008 No. 1043 r and by order of the Minister Defense of the Russian Federation of July 29, 2008 No. 3415.
              The boarding school’s pupils are children of military personnel serving in remote military garrisons, from single-parent and large families, daughters of dead military personnel and combatants who were awarded state awards for military duty.
              In principle, a good undertaking, but what for, then, do we need the Ministry of Education? And the territory there is not big, even a pond with ducks is on the territory.
          2. svs
            svs 4 September 2012 13: 18
            +4
            after 9 years in school gardens, his career went uphill ... well done aunt.
          3. carbofo
            carbofo 4 September 2012 19: 03
            +3
            Locomotive,
            Something to me the words "boarding house" and "brothel" are strongly consonant.
            And indeed the institution of noble maidens in the Ministry of Defense sounds somehow vulgar. Rzhevsky would offend me for the softness of words :).
        2. ivachum
          ivachum 4 September 2012 19: 45
          0
          "What, what and when is still hidden in these years ...."

          Bearded joke:

          "you suck, and I - mi ..... tsa." bully
      2. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 4 September 2012 09: 37
        +30
        Why are you thinking so narrowly? All suspicions of betrayal end at Serdyukov's level? Do you think the "good" VVP knows nothing, and maybe Serdyukov was appointed to the post by the Marcians or Obama directly?
        No, Serdyukov is clearly pursuing a policy dictated from the Kremlin and all sorts of half-dimensional judgments are an attempt to dust people’s brains!
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 42
          +7
          Of course he does.
        2. Col.
          Col. 4 September 2012 15: 53
          +10
          Quote: S_mirnov
          All suspicions of betrayal end at Serdyukov's level? Do you think "good" VVP knows nothing,

          He not only knows everything, but also gives the appropriate orders. It is not for nothing that there is a version (and I am inclined to believe her) that VVP was recruited in the West long ago, when he was a KGB officer and is now implementing the plans of the "Washington Regional Committee". (clickable)
        3. Nicola
          Nicola 4 September 2012 21: 54
          +7
          I support! Well, a minister cannot create chaos at the country level without the approval of the owner!
          1. Mervik
            Mervik 5 September 2012 20: 32
            -3
            over, of course !!! It is for this that Putin has been raising Russia from shit for all 12 years. Yes of course! Yes, you sir in any way mishandled Cossack, or not at all in the subject!
            1. Zynaps
              Zynaps 9 September 2012 02: 18
              +1
              did he raise it? the first term is clear there. strengthened power and his own authority. during default, under Yolkin, power was almost flushed to the toilet. set a successor to resolve the issue. nishtyakov dumped the people, since the price of hydrocarbons has risen. the second Chechen scenario, according to the Yeltsin’s scenario, would not be forgiven for the second time — they had to solve the problem so that they themselves could live in peace. but they decided in half, for the same Chechen bandits were legalized where they could and they were paid reparations.

              the second term of Pu - cutting the social network wherever possible. they took away everything free of charge from pensioners and made a "minetization" of deserved benefits. Zurabcheg was put on the Ministry of Health, who was quickly hated everywhere and everywhere. the ineradicable Chubais finished the dismemberment of the Unified Energy System of the country and was transferred to cut the dough in Rusnano. this is such a gratitude for the work done instead of the Vlasov loop. Upper education was almost finished with appraisals, recertification, optimization and transformation into a cash cow, although the leader in 2002 vowed and swore that upper education would be free while he was alive. then the transition to the moronic Bologna system broke out. and this system does not need the amount of knowledge that was given according to the Soviet system, so teachers are constantly cut off by hours. the famous Fursenko was asked to solve the problem. I'm even uncomfortable talking about the exam. over the past 10 years, the tasks of debility of secondary and higher education have been fully achieved. most schools and universities release certified waste. the collapse in key areas of the industry has also persisted. domestic machine tools, instrument making, bearings, civil aviation, advanced chemical technologies - everything is very bad. military industry is generally a separate sore subject. let Siemens into turbine construction - they lost the production of their own turbines. about the mess in the food industry after refusals from GOST, you can talk endlessly.

              loss of connectivity of the country - eliminated local airlines. previously, geologists from any center reached the place for 2-3 days, now from a week or more. local medical aid is being liquidated - all kinds of paramedic points, etc., that is, if the peasant cuts himself harder than usual, he will have to go to the nearest city to repair the wound. the same with rural schools. optimize. Now, children from a small village in a snowstorm and blizzard will have to telepot to the nearest larger settlement.

              but if you take the opportunity to live on credit, as in Amerika - then life has become better, life has become more fun!
        4. wvivon
          wvivon 5 September 2012 04: 39
          0
          4 then cheers of patriots in this topic are not observed where Yesaul is when he is needed let him calm us down 4 this is a conspiracy or marsh angry
          1. Che
            Che 7 September 2012 10: 44
            +1
            wvivon,
            Trolling began, hamsters are right there. These are our problems for us to solve them. A true patriot does not gloat. So do not be like Amer rats.
      3. vadimN
        vadimN 4 September 2012 12: 11
        +11
        But I do not believe that in our country, where everything is decided by the flick of the finger of one of the most senior officials, it is possible that the minister and his comrades may disobey this very senior ... and continue to bend his own ... Well, I don’t believe it!
        Everything is done with the knowledge and approval! The shout from the Kremlin was to calm the public, but in fact they quietly agreed to "drain" the academy when the wave of indignation subsided ...
        Not only Serdyukov with his women must be brought to justice, not only ...
        1. Zerstorer
          Zerstorer 4 September 2012 13: 54
          +3
          Quote: vadimN
          And I do not believe that in our country, where everything is decided by the flick of the finger of one of the most senior officials, this is possible

          It may not even be like this with us ... In short, we need to do a list now ... Who to put to the wall. They will run abroad - it’s significant to slam there ... Oh, dreams ...
      4. Che
        Che 4 September 2012 12: 57
        +1
        Alexander Romanov,
        The trouble is that the bureaucrats don’t even want to listen to us. Recall the fuck these deputies.
    4. iulai
      iulai 4 September 2012 16: 32
      +1
      amerikosy slipped a handsome agent, shot bed scenes, there is dirt, everything, the agent is at work!
    5. beech
      beech 4 September 2012 17: 44
      0
      and after all such deletants work and at the same time potential traitors !! This woman finally doesn’t understand what she’s doing, for her it’s business !!!!
      Why the hell did she finally find herself at such a post ???
    6. Kostyar
      Kostyar 4 September 2012 19: 10
      0
      I just don’t understand why they are allowed to do this ...?!
      1. Nicola
        Nicola 4 September 2012 22: 02
        +1
        Well, how can you not allow it? Not a single referendum in history, only telecasts with pre-selected questions. The elections were rigged through. Slowly they distribute the territory, and again everything goes quietly. Apparently there is a cut of the country.
    7. starshina78
      starshina78 4 September 2012 19: 11
      +3
      I have not only the name of this person, but also a few others. Why are Serdyukov and some Priezzheva mentioned in cases of closure, merger, transfer? Everyone knows that without Putin’s knowledge in Russia, even a cricket in the Kremlin cannot buzz. And here is such a rout of military education! Most likely, all this happens with the bast, and maybe with the oral. consent itself. So what is still unknown who is to blame?
    8. Ascetic
      Ascetic 4 September 2012 21: 41
      +6
      Quote: Krilion
      paraphrasing a well-known phrase, I can say one thing: when they mention the name of Serdyukov with me, my hand involuntarily starts looking for a gun ...


      They say that before the decision was made, none of the General Staff visited the academy in Tver. From the Ministry of Defense there was only the Minister of Defense. According to sources, Serdyukov spent 12 minutes in the academy. Those who accompanied him said that they were asked one question: "How much will it cost if everything is sold?" The idea is not new to reduce the craps, transfer them to one place and sell the remaining infrastructure.

      Tver teacher of the Zhukov Academy of East Kazakhstan region: quieter than ever in the corridors of the university, the team has decadent moods
      My webpage

      In June of this year, the President of the Russian Federation received a letter from the correspondent of the newspaper Veche Tveri regarding the reorganization of the Military Academy of Aerospace Defense named after G.K.Zhukova, who was redirected to the Ministry of Defense in the name of the Director of the Department of Education of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. The response says that
      “THE REORGANIZATION OF THE ACADEMY IN THE BRANCH OF THE MILITARY-SPACE ACADEMY IS NOT IT ELIMINATION, AND A TRANSFER TO ANOTHER ORGANIZATIONAL - LEGAL FORM WHEN SAVING ALL THE SOLVED TASKS"

      In other words, a person is not killed, but simply transferred "to a different organizational and legal form." Great and rich Russian language in the mouths of our officials.
      1. Mervik
        Mervik 5 September 2012 20: 41
        0
        Something here everyone is causing confusion! still no one knows why they are doing this and what are their goals, but everyone is already sure that this is some kind of setup. Kindergarten.
        1. Zynaps
          Zynaps 9 September 2012 02: 20
          +1
          kindergarten is when people are sprinkled with dust for 20 years in a row, and they still believe in the good tsar and the good intentions of the minions of Russian capitalism.
    9. 13017
      13017 4 September 2012 22: 26
      0
      but I want to wash my hands and for some reason feel very sick
  2. esaul
    esaul 4 September 2012 08: 04
    +5
    Personally, I find it difficult to judge the expediency or criminality of all these gestures for the reorganization of Zhukovka, but I am jarred by the tabloid method of submitting such a message. Some hint at the moral untidiness of Serdyukov is made through his "base instincts." It was written, for sure, by people in uniform (or with their submission) with big stars and repeatedly awarded, but it was not possible to keep ourselves from the "bazaar", more reminiscent of chatter over a bottle.
    I am against all those reorganizations that harm the country's defense capability! But their correctness or incorrectness must be defended without appealing to the opinion of the average man who cannot form an objective opinion (with all his will). And so - it resembles, to some extent, the flavors like Limonov’s and women’s beloved.
    1. Geton
      Geton 4 September 2012 08: 15
      +9
      But Putin doesn’t even know, or who - there he appoints Serdyukov with deputies!
      1. esaul
        esaul 4 September 2012 08: 19
        +1
        Quote: Geton
        And Putin doesn’t even know, or whoever - there he appoints Serdyukov with deputies


        A badge, or maybe we will leave this topic for discussion in line with the desirability of reorganization, and not in line with a discussion of personal qualities and moral character of a particular person?
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 4 September 2012 08: 56
          +11
          Quote: esaul
          A badge, or maybe we will leave this topic for discussion in line with the desirability of reorganization, and not in line with a discussion of personal qualities and moral character of a particular person?

          Sorry, but what has been going on in the military education system for many years is hardly a reorganization. Rather, systematic destruction. And precisely considering this, it is quite normal to discuss the moral qualities of the leadership of the Moscow Oblast.
          I do not think that they are not aware of what they are doing. And the worst thing is that this is not even a betrayal, they are sure that they act in line with state interests. They optimize the military education system, and having chosen as its fundamental criterion its cheapness rather than effectiveness.
          1. esaul
            esaul 4 September 2012 09: 06
            +2
            Quote: DIMS
            Sorry, but what has been going on in the military education system for many years is hardly a reorganization


            Dmitry, I welcome you. If I had been aware of all currents on the subject of military education, I might have agreed or opposed with you, but my field is another area.
            I am not against the topic being hushed up, but against the topic being turned into sympathy-antipathy ... Otherwise, this is not an attempt to find the truth and identify the culprits, but the boulevard will turn out.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 16
              +3
              Quote: esaul
              I am not against the topic being hushed up, but against the topic being turned into sympathy-antipathy ... Otherwise, this is not an attempt to find the truth and identify the culprits, but the boulevard will turn out.

              Welcome.

              The fact is that this topic has been raised for a year now, but it seems that the main defendants simply set themselves the task, after which they bit a bit. Articles with attempts to find the truth stopped appearing a year ago because of their complete futility.
              1. INTER
                INTER 4 September 2012 09: 30
                +9
                Welcome all!
                Quote: esaul
                Dmitry, I welcome you. If I had been aware of all currents on the subject of military education, I might have agreed or opposed with you, but my field is another area.
                I am not against the topic being hushed up, but against the topic being turned into sympathy-antipathy ... Otherwise, this is not an attempt to find the truth and identify the culprits, but the boulevard will turn out.

                How can one not condemn such decisions, the Vedas are at stake integrity, defense, the life of me, my family, people. And here everything is crumbling with a bang, you have to be blind or stupid if you say that, a person with such a track record will be able to increase professionalism in the army, other competent people have always been involved in this, and here without a clan and without a tribe, here you are!

                Ekaterina Gennadievna Priezzheva
                Born in 1967
                What, what and when in these years is still hidden ....
                On the Internet it is found that:
                In 2003 - Head of the Department for Monitoring the Turnover of Alcoholic Products KERPPiT (St. Petersburg)
                To March 2005 - Head of the Interdistrict Tax Inspectorate No. 1 of St. Petersburg (the one that A. Serdyukov managed in 2000-2001)
                From March 2005 to June 2007 - head of the department of taxes and duties on alcohol and tobacco products of the Federal Tax Service (head of the Federal Tax Service since July 2004 - A. Serdyukov)
                Since June 2007 - Advisor to the Minister of Defense (since February 2007 - A. Serdyukov) on the social block
                1. esaul
                  esaul 4 September 2012 09: 51
                  -6
                  Quote: INTER
                  How can one not condemn such decisions, the Vedas are at stake integrity, defense, the life of me, my family, people.


                  So what did you decide to discuss, colleague, exclaiming so pathetically? Integrity of the State or virginity of Madame Priezheva?
                  Chesslovo, from the commentary - it’s not clear ...
                  But, apparently, you are more interested in the second topic. I dare not interfere! Good luck!
                  1. INTER
                    INTER 4 September 2012 10: 00
                    +3
                    Quote: esaul
                    So what did you decide to discuss, colleague, exclaiming so pathetically? Integrity of the State or virginity of Madame Priezheva?
                    Chesslovo, from the commentary - it’s not clear ...
                    But, apparently, you are interested in the second topic. I dare not interfere! Good luck!

                    Colleague, do not get excited. I think you didn’t understand what was said, I can say with confidence I adhere to the first than the 2nd, and her virginity does not bother me much. But I do not want to rape a state machine called the army. And I would like to see those who should sit on the ground. In many comments you do not want to discuss power. I wonder why? The question is not provocative, but by interest.
                    1. esaul
                      esaul 4 September 2012 10: 18
                      0
                      Quote: INTER
                      The question is not provocative, but by interest.


                      A colleague, you are a person who recently appeared on the site, and I don’t even try to repeat the same words about my attitude to the authorities. No offense..
                      And the question, in its formulation and "timeliness", reminds me of a question from the NKVD arsenal during the interrogation of the "enemy of the people" - "So you do not respect the people's power?"
                      1. INTER
                        INTER 4 September 2012 10: 47
                        +1
                        My colleague is not a place for insults and I am not going to respect any authority. But to support against my own and such as I will be. Yes, I’m new to the site and I want to find an interesting conversation here, far from obscurity, sneakiness and dullness. While I find here an interesting conversation, opinions.
                      2. Cadet787
                        Cadet787 4 September 2012 20: 59
                        +4
                        All swift Russia is turning into a police state, where no one’s opinion is taken into account, the opinion of upstarts and mediocrity is valued, with the tacit consent of Putin. The authorities reached the point of insanity, to go on vacation to Belarus (union state), you need to request permission for the Lubyanka for special services, military and civil servants of the military-industrial complex. Just insanity, power is afraid and hates its people. And now I ask you to object to me or explain where the country is heading.
                      3. Armata
                        Armata 4 September 2012 21: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Cadet787
                        And now I ask you to object to me or explain where the country is heading.
                        George comrad. We roll together in the anus. Previously, even during perestroika, I could safely go on vacation to Bulgaria. Now, even to relatives in Odessa just can not go. And not only to me, but also to my family.
                      4. Nicola
                        Nicola 4 September 2012 22: 15
                        +1
                        Speaking of Belarus, I tried to send a parcel to a friend. It turned out that I needed to go to the regional post office, compose a bunch of papers and check everything with a list of prohibited investments. The list is simply huge. It was simply unrealistic to pay all these movements. Here and the iron curtain between the Slavs.
                2. Che
                  Che 4 September 2012 13: 05
                  +2
                  INTER,
                  Of course it’s unpleasant that we are appointed to such posts out of personal sympathies and not on business grounds.
              2. smel
                smel 5 September 2012 07: 43
                +2
                Yes, and this article did not appear here - but was leaked (maybe with the permission of the author or publisher) from the weekly "Argumenty Nedeli". There it was published 2 weeks ago under the exact same title.
                And regarding the discussion of personalities or the topic of the article, I support you. With such a frisky movement in matters of military education in Serdyukov’s way, his (education) will soon have nothing to discuss at all.
            2. Col.
              Col. 4 September 2012 10: 49
              +14
              Quote: esaul
              If I had been aware of all currents on the subject of military education, I might have agreed or opposed with you, but my field is another area.

              With all due respect, Valery, your field is the praise of the great Pu, although it has long been clear to all normal people that all this pack of "reformers" under his sensitive leadership are just criminals and enemies of the people (excuse the cliché).
              But I (unlike you) are aware of all currents on the topic of military education, I myself graduated from a higher military school and an academy, having studied for a total of seven years, I have several friends and acquaintances from the teaching staff of schools and academies, and therefore boldly and rightly declare: Serdyukov and his "team" deserve to be shot for the collapse of military education!
              1. Z.A.M.
                Z.A.M. 4 September 2012 11: 06
                +8
                Col.

                I support you.
                1. INTER
                  INTER 4 September 2012 11: 15
                  -1
                  Quote: Colonel
                  deserve to be shot!
                  The execution is not enough. The correct words and the topic.
          2. v53993
            v53993 4 September 2012 09: 09
            +5
            Military education is a component of the state’s military security. And in this case, bargaining is not appropriate.
            And according to Priezheva, there are no words, only thoughts.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 29
              +4
              Quote: v53993
              Military education is a component of the state’s military security.

              And the most important one. Everything else can be done quickly enough. Mistakes in military education have been fixed for decades.
            2. INTER
              INTER 4 September 2012 13: 47
              0
              Quote: v53993
              And according to Priezheva - no words, only thoughts

              I think not very good))))))))))))))))))) feel
        2. Geton
          Geton 4 September 2012 16: 42
          +7
          Uv. Esaul, I am very amused by comments like: "These are the bad boyars," but the head of the chief cannot but know about what is happening in one of the most important institutions of the state! Conclusion - accomplice!
    2. slas
      slas 4 September 2012 08: 31
      +5
      Quote: esaul
      I am against all those reorganizations that harm the country's defense capability! But their correctness or incorrectness must be defended without appealing to the opinion of the average man who cannot form an objective opinion (with all his will). And so - it resembles, to some extent, the flavors like Limonov’s and women’s beloved.

      "They say that the Defense Ministry of Algeria grabbed their heads when they learned about the liquidation of the academy. And they told Moscow directly:" If you do not fully train our cadets, then we will not buy your air defense weapons. There will simply be no one to work on it. " And this is no longer millions, this is billions of dollars. "To paraphrase from the film -" "" And what is the average person not a man? "" "And if as you say
      Quote: esaul
      it is necessary to defend without appealing to the opinion of the layman, who cannot form an objective opinion (with all his will).

      maybe only left without seeing the gap and prospects looking at the top to appeal to your people
    3. Goga
      Goga 4 September 2012 08: 35
      +1
      esaul - Greetings, Valery, the submission of the "material" in the article is of course at the level of "OBS" - one woman said, and the question is serious - is it possible to get more complete information about this, without cheap hints of "blondes"?
      1. esaul
        esaul 4 September 2012 09: 00
        0
        Goga,

        Greetings, Igor.
        Quote: Gogh
        submission of "material" in the article, of course, at the level of "OBS

        I agree and it does not paint those who present this "material"
        Quote: Gogh
        is there no way to get more complete information about this, without cheap hints of "blondes"?

        If the question is for me, then at the moment - no. I hope that some clarification and reaction can come, as has already happened many times before.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 5 September 2012 01: 22
        +3
        Quote: Gogh
        esaul - Greetings, Valery, the submission of the "material" in the article is of course at the level of "OBS" - one woman said, and the question is serious - is it possible to get more complete information about this, without cheap hints of "blondes"?


        Yes, Goga, as they say first hand. The dialogue between Priezzhaeva and Anatoly Huppenen (Colonel General, Chairman of the Presidium of the Council of Veterans of the Air Defense Forces, Doctor of Military Sciences, Professor) at the May hearings of the Commission of the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation on National Security Issues,
        East Kazakhstan forces should have an academy
        My webpage

        I read the report of Priezzhaeva and realized that she completely lacks a sense of healthy fear when there is a sense of responsibility, and where does the civil bureaucrats come from, and for which they are not responsible?
        The Supreme Commander set the goals for the formation of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation:
        "A serious reform of military education is underway. 10 large research and training centers are being formed. All these institutions are built into a rigid vertical and, depending on the service, give officers the opportunity to constantly improve their professional level. Here we rely both on our traditions and on world practice... Without serious development of military research, there can be no effective military or military-technical doctrine, and the structures of the General Staff cannot function effectively. We must restore the lost competencies of military institutions, integrate them with the developing system of military education - just like in the civilian sector of the economy. Military science should have a decisive influence on the formation of the tasks of the defense industry complex. And qualified procurement structures, divisions of the Ministry of Defense responsible for the military order - to ensure the effective formation of technical specifications for the development, production, planning of characteristics of weapons and military equipment "


        So why are their traditions ignored and everything is stupidly copied according to American patterns?
    4. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 4 September 2012 08: 44
      +9
      And in my opinion this is a very good series of materials about what is happening in the Moscow Region! After all, there are no and cannot be refutations against such materials? Is that just the way it is? And in principle, it could not be otherwise ...
      Anyone. related to education. will confirm that any higher educational institution is "made" by a not very large group of people, and, having dispersed them or simply driven them from their "familiar place", instead of the university there will be only a signboard ...
      1. mitya
        mitya 4 September 2012 11: 44
        +4
        and, having dispersed them or simply driven them out of their "familiar place", instead of a university there will be only a signboard ...
        Yes, in principle, not only instead of the university, you all perfectly see what is happening with the formation of general.
        Therefore....... request
    5. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 10
      +7
      Quote: esaul
      Some hint is made about Serdyukov’s moral unscrupulousness

      No, the best minister of defense in history, his reform was declared a failure, which was recently discussed on the website.
      Quote: esaul
      It was written, probably, by people in uniform (or from their filing) with large stars and repeatedly awarded,

      I have such people cause more respect than Mr. Serdyukov and all his shushara.
      Quote: esaul
      t "bazaar", more reminiscent of chatter over a bottle, failed.

      And mine is quite objective.
      Quote: esaul
      I am against all those reorganizations that harm the country's defense capability! But their correctness or incorrectness must be defended without appealing to the opinion of the layman, who cannot form an objective opinion (with all his will).

      Correctly Valera, but with all this, you put forward an unambiguous opinion about the idle talk about the bottle. And why there is such duplicity, not so long ago you said that you don’t need to turn aside from problems or you think that in this case there are no problems, and all the articles legalization in relation to Serdyukov and others like him? If so, you have surpassed yourself.
      1. esaul
        esaul 4 September 2012 09: 21
        +1
        Alexander Romanov,

        ESAUL some hint of Serdyukov’s moral dishonesty [/ Quote]

        ALEXAND ROMANOV No, the best minister of defense in history, his reform was recognized as a failure, which was discussed recently on the site. [/ Quote]

        Sanya, you didn’t catch something ....

        ESAUL I am not against the topic being hushed up, but against the topic being turned into sympathies-antipathies ... Otherwise, this is not an attempt to find the truth and identify the culprits, but the boulevard will turn out. [/ Quote]

        ALEXAND ROMANOV And why there is such duplicity, not so long ago you said that you don’t need to turn away from problems or you think that in this case there are no problems [/ quote]

        Sasha, please be more attentive, and not lump "horses and people" into one heap.
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2012 09: 38
          +10
          Hello everyone. In general, I have an idea to reassign the entire military education system to the woodworking industry. They get oak, and they release linden. Yes, and the type of minister of defense, this industry is more familiar.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 40
          0
          Quote: esaul
          find the truth and identify the culprits, and - the boulevard swara will turn out

          Quote: esaul
          Sasha, please be more attentive, and not lump together "horses and people.

          Valera, kindly, read the comment of Paravoza about the lower tagil and so on, in the same branch at the bottom and maybe you can answer the question WHAT HAPPENS?
          1. esaul
            esaul 4 September 2012 10: 13
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            maybe you can answer the question WHAT HAPPENS?

            No, Sasha - I can’t, but I’m not going to shout about "procrastinated polymers" either. I think I will support the one who wrote a little below
            Quote: nemec55
            I agree with you, with that info that we (ordinary people) have a shitty judge. And rushing from one edge to another is criminal

            because I see in his comment more sense, and not in the slobbery discussions of sex and the intellectual prowess of officials and tearing a shirt on his chest. I love my shirts - and I love the shore
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 10: 20
              +3
              Quote: esaul
              I love my shirts - and I love the shore

              But the material component does not appeal to me very much. I love the Motherland.
              1. esaul
                esaul 4 September 2012 10: 32
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                But the material component does not appeal to me very much. I love the Motherland.

                Sasha, as I understand it, after these words you forgot to put an emoticon with an ironic smile.
                If not, sorry ...
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 10: 47
                  0
                  Quote: esaul
                  Sasha, as I understand it, after these words you forgot to put an emoticon with an ironic smile

                  Would there be a smilik with a photo of Serdyukov in whose head an ax sticks out, I would put it. Or does he love your homeland, only the one who supports who supports the failed reform and has one opinion with you?
            2. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2012 10: 21
              +3
              Quote: esaul
              esaul


              Hello Valera. I don’t want to discuss all the news of such a plan somehow. I communicate with classmates who else serves the same kind of disorder and reeling, as some of us still tear our hearts, the second beat everything and just serve an apartment or pension, the third persistently lick and climb further up.
              I can then approximately evaluate classmates who became who and how they achieved, who was worth what and what was capable of back in school. But the trick is that with one voice both the first and second (the third all are satisfied with licking in any case) with one voice say that this should not be. give examples?
              1. esaul
                esaul 4 September 2012 10: 37
                +1
                Quote: vorobey
                give examples?

                Sanya, why? You said it yourself
                Quote: vorobey
                unanimously say that this should not be.

                I have no doubt that they say so .. I live according to the principle - "Do what you must and come what will", and for ahi-sighs - it's a pity for time.
                1. vorobey
                  vorobey 4 September 2012 11: 13
                  +7
                  Quote: esaul
                  I live by the principle - "Do what you must and be what will be",


                  Valera, I also try to adhere to this principle, but the heart is not right. Oddly enough, although the fifth dozen of all exchanged. He himself began to look at some things easier. well, they’re ruining and horseradish with him, well, they’re ruining it and horseradish with him, well, we made cattle out of children and we’ve already lived with him, well, they’re Caesar artificially lowering the birth rate and hell with him, but on the other hand, as you might think, I’ll take care of it all, yours, our children.
                  For example, I do not want my kids to take a sip of all the charms of a war era or revolutionary. or the delights of a civil war.
                  1. Bismark
                    Bismark 4 September 2012 21: 27
                    0
                    In addition to the internal, there is also an external threat, and it is much worse than the internal one, given that a person has not moved so far from the Middle Ages.
            3. strannik595
              strannik595 4 September 2012 17: 54
              +1
              it seems to me esaul is not a rag here, but a calm and thoughtful attitude to the indicated issue
          2. klimpopov
            klimpopov 4 September 2012 10: 31
            +12
            Everything has already happened and they have decided everything, the education system has been completely destroyed and at the root, those miserable remnants that have not been finished off, will be finished within a few years, I don’t want to say who the traitor is, everyone knows that they’ve done better than a nuclear explosion in the center of Moscow. Those who do not agree with me are either blind, or they themselves participate in this. I’m tired of repeating that without formation, submarines and spacecraft are high-tech scrap metal. striking cynicism with which they do it. To the wall ... Without thinking and not understanding the wall ...
            Minus everything ... I said everything ...
            1. vorobey
              vorobey 4 September 2012 10: 46
              +5
              to hell with you minus. If, as a result, the MoD itself admitted the deficiency of its personnel policy for officers and continues to persistently pursue the education system. Building a logical chain is more difficult than stupidly chopping it with a sword. In our region, what remains of the female and armavir aviation (how many female graduates were in space?), Krasnodar is breathing in the wings. And the school of Shtemenko? What about him?

              Those who studied at a military school know that this is a kind of pedigree, tradition. When we transferred from Tashkent to Chelyabinsk, we even changed the order by order, and then hell who passed the old to whom. All left at home. Now what?
              1. klimpopov
                klimpopov 4 September 2012 10: 52
                +3
                And in Stavropol, what remains? Already the hulls even have no frames, as the 25 was still not clear in the flight, it’s worth waiting for its fate ...
    6. nemec55
      nemec55 4 September 2012 09: 29
      0
      I agree with you, with that info that we (ordinary people) have a shitty judge. And rushing from one edge to another is criminal.
    7. makarich26
      makarich26 4 September 2012 10: 40
      0
      And I am against that nonsense that you carry.
    8. MI-AS-72
      MI-AS-72 5 September 2012 21: 22
      0
      Well, he said, and whose opinion in this country has played and will play a role, only a man in the street with a brick on the street shouting down, everything else is idle talk. How many attempts were made to defend the academies of the Air Force, Design Bureau, Yakovlev, Tupolev, Ilyushin, Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, and flight schools, and military hospitals, etc., without referring to the "bazaar". And that, in response, silence, but now, we are lagging behind designers, there is no high-quality equipment, the professional level of the army is low, and those who led everything to this on the ground and, as before, at the trough, and the result by 2015, will still be the same out of nothing, nothing of quality will be able to, and where to defend and appeal to our rulers - to pests, except for Internet, I don't see any other place, can you tell me, just think and sf is not necessary, I do not understand.
  3. sea
    sea 4 September 2012 08: 21
    +4
    the minister is essentially appointed by the president. well, the one, the "glove compartment" selects itself ... alas
    1. Odessa
      Odessa 4 September 2012 09: 29
      +24
      Exhibit, do not touch your hands!
      1. fantast
        4 September 2012 11: 05
        +6
        Serdyukov and the team can still hang in a row of pieces on 5 - they deserved
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 4 September 2012 11: 21
          +7
          Quote: fantast
          Serdyukov and the team can still hang in a row of pieces on 5 - they deserved


          One to beat to the head, and the second to hammer a deeper tone. And enough.
  4. mitya
    mitya 4 September 2012 08: 22
    +11
    There are simply no words, and is it the president whom the people followed?
    The president whose words do not have any influence on the Minister of Defense, I am ashamed that I believed him.
    1. SASCHAmIXEEW
      SASCHAmIXEEW 4 September 2012 08: 54
      +1
      Pridenta chose Churov. and the people are silent .... how long is it interesting ,,,,,,,?
      1. UAZ Patriot
        UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 09: 07
        +1
        Putin is certainly not ideal, BUT .... I will not write further since everyone knows his merits to Russia! So no need, I think about Vladimir Vladimirovich writing so clearly yes
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 4 September 2012 09: 19
          0
          Quote: UAZ Patriot
          So no need, I think about Vladimir Vladimirovich writing so clearly


          Joke, briefly. True, I doubt that it will come.
          The boxer is asked what his head is for. Answers: "I'm in HER eat".
          1. UAZ Patriot
            UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 10: 19
            0
            I also eat in it request didn't get it lol
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 4 September 2012 10: 50
          +1
          Who is "everyone"? Especially close?) I'm not in the know, educate!
          1. UAZ Patriot
            UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 11: 10
            +1
            read the article by D. Mokrushin and compare the Armed Forces of 2000 and the Armed Forces of 2010 and understand all the merits of Putin and his policies http://topwar.ru/18456-koe-chto-vspomnim-2.html
            1. mitya
              mitya 4 September 2012 12: 26
              0
              This is all clear, one thing is not clear .......... WHY do we need such a Minister of Defense and associates?
              Explain maybe I do not understand something?
              1. UAZ Patriot
                UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 13: 09
                -1
                what would chop the hand did not flinch, I think so that the army this car is slow, lazy, venal, po-tic and not ready to shake and optimize for modern realities! This is purely my opinion and may not coincide with the opinion of many military personnel. We will not be able to see the expediency, usefulness and correctness of such a reform today, but I think that it’s impossible to get out of shit otherwise. The Navy, too, at one time Nakhimov in Sevastopol flooded by blocking the path of the Turks to the city, and probably it was also covered with Matyuks at that time, but time put everything in its place. Serdyukov’s fate is an unpopular politician.
                1. jamert
                  jamert 6 September 2012 19: 33
                  0
                  Correctly!!!! A thousand times over !!! Nakhimov and Serdyukov - military leaders of ONE LEVEL !!! laughing
              2. Geton
                Geton 4 September 2012 16: 31
                +2
                Let's put the question wider: on ... am I such a president?
                1. UAZ Patriot
                  UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 19: 53
                  +1
                  The question is reasonable! let's plunge into the history of nakuya Stalin with his tough policy towards officers and, by the way, very experienced officers, so to speak, the "old guard", Peter 1 with his oppression of the common people and Catherine 2 with her corruption and Vladimir Monomakh with his persecution of pagans !! ! ??? AND ??? Can you answer me? And I can't, but history can!
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 4 September 2012 21: 14
                    +1
                    Quote: UAZ Patriot
                    Stalin, with his tough policy regarding officers and, incidentally, highly experienced officers,
                    By the names of these officers and their merits, please.
                    1. UAZ Patriot
                      UAZ Patriot 5 September 2012 19: 06
                      0
                      Allow me to answer this: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_terror

                      I can’t judge true guilt!
                    2. Zynaps
                      Zynaps 9 September 2012 02: 30
                      0
                      easily. case "Spring" - you know that ?. shooting clever Svechin. very strange death of Triandafilov.

                      No, the motives of the case are clear to me, but why are smart and well-deserved also under the knife?
                  2. jamert
                    jamert 6 September 2012 19: 36
                    0
                    Vladimir Monomakh with his persecution of the Gentiles !!! ??? AND ??? Can you answer me? And I can’t, but history can!


                    Excellent knowledge of history. Christianity in Russia was adopted 100 years before Monomakh’s reign. Did you happen to confuse him with Vladimir the Holy (Great, Red Sun)?
    2. Zynaps
      Zynaps 9 September 2012 02: 27
      0
      and what, to choose from whom? bogs are generally inadequate.
  5. Armata
    Armata 4 September 2012 08: 23
    +10
    Zhukov Academy is unique. It must be preserved. And to sell this woman into slavery to the Turks (she doesn’t get used to selling herself, her conscience has long since given up on greed), let her work out all the damage that the country has brought. And the top commanding staff does not need to relax, as soon as the next lunge occurs, raise the wave again, let the GDP understand (at the same time, let's see where his brains and conscience are, and how he is rooting for his homeland). So we ironed all the military academies that we had, so the fat-faced wants to take everything.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 4 September 2012 08: 47
      +9
      In parallel, military medicine is being finished off in St. Petersburg ...
      And you - to address the president, to drive a wave? Well. Well...
      1. Armata
        Armata 4 September 2012 09: 14
        0
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        And you - to address the president, to drive a wave? Well. Well.

        And what are the other suggestions?
      2. Nicola
        Nicola 4 September 2012 22: 33
        +1
        Now the PROGRESS plant is being finished in Samara. It’s the only one who until recently had missiles dropped. They are promoting. Muscovites are already hosting.
      3. Aleksys2
        Aleksys2 5 September 2012 08: 48
        0
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        In parallel, military medicine is being finished off in St. Petersburg ...


        It seems that WWA defended. Although, hell knows them ....
    2. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 4 September 2012 09: 13
      +4
      Quote: Steam Train
      let the GDP understand (at the same time, let's see where his brains and conscience are, and how he supports his homeland).


      Simple - RZHUNEMOGU !!! laughing laughing laughing
      Hope this is your good joke. Otherwise, the diagnosis ...
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 16
      +6
      Hi Zhenya, the matter of the cost of renting from Zhukovka may not be a bad hotel. They need land, and the fact that Zhukovka is unique is an empty phrase for them.
      1. Armata
        Armata 4 September 2012 09: 27
        +3
        Hi Sanya. Duck it is clear that there you can stir up a lot of interesting things. Yesterday I watched an interview with fat-faced about the reform of the army, so his little eyes are running around. He says that he will give apartments to the officers, and to justify the cost of the apartments they will sell the property of the disbanded units. We have that 10 apartments are as a completed part with all the buildings? Damn, near Nizhny Tagil, air defense units are being disbanded. C300 is being written off. Disbanded 2 helicopter brigades in the military towns "Free" and "Dobry". Damn Nizhny Tagil is a strategic city and how to defend it? Are we going to make a slingshot out of this chicken's bra? In Svobodny, one of the best hospitals in the region was closed, the property was put up for sale.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 36
          +2
          Quote: Steam Train
          Will we make slingshots of this chicken’s bra?

          Eugene, the more I hear, the more questions arise than we will fight !!! The most worthless thing is that the Udaltsov and them are fed on such facts. In the end, we will get a new confusion. And Putin’s position is not clear, is he leaving or not heard in this question. What is happening?
          1. Armata
            Armata 4 September 2012 09: 52
            +1
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            .What's happening?
            Sanya, but this is happening. request There is a systematic merging of the country's defense capability. A much more sore point. What do they want to get in total? SUPER-SUPERFORCEED MODERN army without formation, bases, units? fool For me, their entire gop company has long lost any respect.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 56
              +2
              Quote: Steam Train
              For me, their entire gop company has long lost any respect.

              As Alibek told me, the feeling that our Minister of Defense is subordinate to David Petraeus or Leon Panetta. I hope all this gop company is uprooted on Perdyukov's birches in the first place.
            2. Aleksys2
              Aleksys2 5 September 2012 09: 04
              0
              Quote: Steam Train
              What do they want to get in total?

              From a report by Margaret Thatcher (USA, Houston, 11.1991)
              The Soviet Union is a country that posed a serious threat to the Western world. I am not talking about a military threat. She, in fact, was not. Our countries are quite well armed, including nuclear weapons.

              I mean the economic threat. Thanks to a planned policy and a peculiar combination of moral and material incentives, the Soviet Union managed to achieve high economic indicators. The percentage of growth in gross national product was approximately two times higher than in our countries. If we take into account the enormous natural resources of the USSR, then with the rational management of the economy the Soviet Union had very real opportunities to oust us from world markets.

              Therefore, we have always taken actions aimed at weakening the economy of the Soviet Union and creating internal difficulties for it.
              Totally here: http://via-midgard.info/news/in_russia/9339-margaret-tyetcher-o-razvale-sssr.htm
              l


              John Major (former Prime Minister of England):
              “... Russia's task after the loss of the Cold War is to provide resources for prosperous countries. But for this they need only fifty - sixty million people. "
      2. INTER
        INTER 4 September 2012 09: 35
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        surrender from Zhukovka may not be a bad hotel. They need land, but the fact that Zhukovka is unique is an empty phrase for them.

        That's when, instead of brains, green shit forms from dumags and people worship this country and this shit rolls to no one knows where.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 09: 47
          +2
          Quote: INTER
          country and rolls to no one knows where

          It is known where they rolled into the WTO and many more rolled into it, there, Zhenya wrote some details.
    4. Che
      Che 4 September 2012 16: 15
      +1
      Quote: Steam Train
      + + +

      I wonder how much the Turks will give for it? laughing
      1. Armata
        Armata 4 September 2012 21: 15
        0
        For so much they won’t.
  6. UAZ Patriot
    UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 08: 36
    0
    On the one hand, you understand - an article commissioned by old academic staff who hold on to their chairs and do not want to break away from their homes. On the other hand, you think, of course, of the feasibility of the party’s line to optimize the entire MO structure. In general, I have a double opinion. what
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 4 September 2012 08: 49
      +4
      And I have a clear opinion - wrecking!
      In order to carry out reforms, you need to know this system and its weaknesses - that’s what they need to be addressed, but the current reformers of this system did not know, they don’t know, and in principle they’re not able to know, therefore they do what they know and know how to - direct cash flows into their pockets ...
      1. UAZ Patriot
        UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 09: 16
        +1
        These people were set up for one simple reason! I will explain popularly, if someone has not yet understood, with one simple phrase "a wolf is not a pig's comrade" Breaking the back of the old, depressive system based on the strategy of global war is easier for people who are not bound by friendly and official bail with the old guard. Others will build and establish a new one aimed at waging local wars. And I have long wanted to give a life example of the result of the current wars. reforms. I have a fellow Marine Balt. fleet. From a personal conversation with him. “Now, he says, a lot of young officers are quitting for two reasons: 1. A mess with salaries associated with the transfer to a single financial center and 2. They drive, he complains at the same time, every day of training in the army they call us - bullshit.” Well and so: You just have no idea how I was pleased with this answer, and now think about why? soldier
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 21
          0
          Are you sure that a global war is impossible? Hastily.
          Have you heard who and whom calls "hairy"?
        2. TRex
          TRex 4 September 2012 09: 41
          +8
          "Jerk off" doesn't mean "teach." I have the following idea - in terms of "military reform", the chiefs, as well as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, show increased activity in order to sit in chairs and positions ... "They dig the ground," as they say, and there are a lot of examples of this - they are ready to equalize all with the ground, they go over their heads - but there is no base, there is nowhere to grow - they have cut everything that is possible.
          It is not surprising that junior officers feel uncomfortable and do not see prospects. All the more so when "Stooltkin and Baba" is at the helm ... and when the head is thinking.
          And you are wrong about a global war - as long as Russia is capable of waging it, it will be feared and respected. It is worth slipping to the understanding that our Armed Forces are intended for "cleansing" and catching poachers - a kabzdets ... tomorrow in St. Petersburg and Arkhara there will be a "friendly" landing from Britain, in Vladik - the Japanese, to the Kazakhs, Chinese divisions will stand, in Sevastopol the Turks will come.

          "Relax and have fun" ???
          1. Big lexey
            Big lexey 4 September 2012 10: 12
            +4
            I completely agree with TRex's opinion - "to jerk off does not mean to teach." They teach according to the approved programs, and they "screw up" - "from here until lunchtime."
            During my service in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, we had one regiment politician who, being responsible after a night of drinking, liked to give physical training to soldiers: a marching throw to the UPC, with a full calculation of 5 km, and not because it was provided for by the training program, but because that he was bored.
            And since they were afraid to put the political officer on combat duty due to his technical and special illiteracy, this individual "gathered" all Sunday "responsible", respectively, on the rise on Mondays there were "elephants" in the unit.
            And now, in the majority of units and subunits, the devil knows what is happening ...
            many officers do not serve, but serve, do not prepare, but write reports. IMHO
            1. UAZ Patriot
              UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 10: 43
              -3
              to be mastered does not mean to teach
              in komenta it was meant to delay on the exercises and the confusion of koment was reduced to the fact that these same exercises are carried out and quite often judging by the words of a comrade!


              many officers do not serve, but serve, do not prepare, but write reports. IMHO
              these are the ones to be persecuted and persecuted, and then they yell to the whole country in articles like this: what kind of president is G which minister G and all his deputies G and the commander of part G and all the same around G alone I am so wonderfully unimaginably useful as they dare to cut me down because it's me Govnyuki!
          2. UAZ Patriot
            UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 10: 24
            0
            I did not speak about the correctness or incorrectness of the transition to brigades; I spoke about the line for the construction of the Armed Forces aimed at conducting local wars.

            I have the following idea - in terms of "military reform", the chiefs, as well as in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, show increased activity in order to sit in chairs and positions ... "They dig the ground," as they say, and there are a lot of examples of this - they are ready to equalize all with the ground, they go over their heads - but there is no base, there is nowhere to grow - they have cut everything that is possible.


            And rightly so! tries such an army where only one boss? I'm exaggerating. Still state officials also cut and it would be our happiness.
            1. s1н7т
              s1н7т 4 September 2012 11: 06
              +2
              Shopipets! laughing
              What is "local war" from the point of view of the Combat Manual, for example? laughing
              The army should just be ready for war - for any. And the "reformed" army will not be capable of anything at all. And today, by the way, the security of the Russian Federation is ensured primarily by troops that will never be imprisoned under "local wars? - Strategic Missile Forces are called))). When the last Soviet" Topol "decays, no" brigades "will help!))) Specialist, pancake! laughing
              1. UAZ Patriot
                UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 11: 15
                0
                (from lat. localis local) war, covering a relatively small number of states and a limited geographical area. Such a formulation would do !? I’m not a sword in specialists, but I express my opinion! But the army was unprepared in the 2000s!
                1. Big lexey
                  Big lexey 4 September 2012 12: 00
                  +3
                  Quote: UAZ Patriot
                  (from lat. localis local) war, covering a relatively small number of states and a limited geographical area. Such a formulation would do !? I’m not a sword in specialists, but I express my opinion! But the army was unprepared in the 2000s!

                  How is warfare for a motorized infantry regiment different in a local or global war?
                  Units and units of the Armed Forces must be trained in combat operations, but in conducting limited (local) or global military operations, the country's military-political leadership must be trained.
                  What is the difference between the combat readiness of the army in 2000 and in 2012 ?!
                  Personally, I see only one difference - the safety margin of the Soviet army has decreased by 12 years, and its replenishment (replacement) is not even going at a snail's speed, and sometimes even significantly degrades. And you don't have to go far for examples: the Strategic Missile Forces. Just compare the combat potential of the Strategic Missile Forces in 2000 and now, you will understand the "merits" of Serdyukov and Co. at the post of the RF Ministry of Defense.
                  And the Strategic Missile Forces - this is neither more nor less - a guarantee of Russia's sovereignty at the moment.
                  1. UAZ Patriot
                    UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 13: 26
                    0
                    I cannot judge in an incompetent area, but in my own words I will say: in the 2000s, the state border of the Republic of Poland, for example, was guarded by ATVs, SUVs, television surveillance systems, etc. and we had a rusty UAZ and an overgrown PCB. And now the equipment is new and the means of protection are new and the communications are both droneless and geographic information systems. Another thing is that no one knows how to use this sense, and sometimes the quality of the equipment supplied wishes for the best, that’s the problem arising directly from the river called corruption. Here I have at the expense of Serdyukov and his gop team and all the supplier companies and manufacturers and our command big questions - this is a fact! This is where I see the danger, and not in the policy that Putin pursues with regard to the army. Corruption eats up all the positive aspects of the reform, and ultimately we will receive an army that is not effective, not because of the reforms that are being carried out, but because of the venality of our comrade. colonels and generals! So I will answer you!
                2. s1н7т
                  s1н7т 6 September 2012 11: 56
                  0
                  The number of states bordering the Russian Federation is relatively small?)))
                  1/7 (or how much is left there) of the planet's territory - a limited geographical area?)))
                  To have / express one’s opinion is, of course, good, but it would still be argued, and not repeat the nonsense from the media)))
              2. Big lexey
                Big lexey 4 September 2012 11: 54
                0
                By the way, I was familiar with an army logistic officer (chief of the regiment's fuel and lubricants), who said that he defended his diploma on the topic "Actions of the SPU regiment in the offensive."
      2. v53993
        v53993 4 September 2012 11: 11
        0
        Well, what a woman’s weak point has long been known.
    2. vadimN
      vadimN 4 September 2012 12: 20
      +4
      At the old academy. personnel, as you call them, the whole system of personnel training of the armed forces is still being held. As well as military-technical science, engineering, defense production ....
      And not thanks, but contrary to the policies of the president, the minister of defense and his chicken coop, who can only devour anything created by previous generations, leaving nothing in return.
  7. JonnyT
    JonnyT 4 September 2012 08: 50
    +7
    That scum !!!!! How tired of these reformers are, they bring one harm by their reforms, how many good duets have collapsed. Little by little you begin to think - but are they recruited by our enemies ??? They don’t look like idiots - that means traitors !!! Shoot !!!!!!!!!
    1. Big lexey
      Big lexey 4 September 2012 10: 14
      +1
      Where do we start the shooting? If for the crimes of a subordinate it is now customary to punish his boss?
  8. artist-mamluk
    artist-mamluk 4 September 2012 08: 54
    +2
    What kind of idiot appointed this "sweet child" to the ministry, does the future of the Armed Forces depend on how much?
    1. v53993
      v53993 4 September 2012 09: 18
      +3
      It is known what.
    2. UAZ Patriot
      UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 09: 20
      -1
      Serdyukov has only one deputy man wink and 8 other "lovely children"
      1. Big lexey
        Big lexey 4 September 2012 10: 24
        +2
        Well, is he really so wise and infallible that he cannot afford eight small weaknesses ?!
        1. UAZ Patriot
          UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 10: 45
          +2
          If I were Bil Sultan, I would have had Sam Ne Eight wives with beauty and love Bil Bi Okhreston lol
  9. dm98
    dm98 4 September 2012 09: 08
    0
    with ... ka painted!
    to her wall and shoot to death from the air
  10. TRex
    TRex 4 September 2012 09: 17
    +7
    No cheap allusions to "blondes" and other base inclinations of the Minister of Defense or anyone else ...
    The question is simple: what can Katya understand in military science? What???
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 19
      +2
      How to make it cheaper
      1. Armata
        Armata 4 September 2012 09: 29
        +4
        Quote: DIMS

        How to make it cheaper
        You are mistaken, she knows how to reform it to 0.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 32
          +3
          Missing military science is the cheapest.
          1. v53993
            v53993 4 September 2012 09: 34
            +1
            Most likely in the long run.
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 4 September 2012 09: 40
              +3
              By this time, she will become an ordinary Swiss pensioner.
      2. jamert
        jamert 6 September 2012 20: 49
        0
        Katya or military science?
    2. v53993
      v53993 4 September 2012 09: 28
      +1
      No, it’s not like that, it’s a ruble more expensive.
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist 6 September 2012 12: 20
      0
      Quote: TRex
      The question is simple: what can Katya understand in military science? What???

      Those who understand ask "stupid" questions.
      PS The blonde thought - the hair was getting dark.
  11. baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 September 2012 09: 23
    +10
    PRIEZZHEVA Katya, born in 1967, 2005 is the head of the Inter-district Tax Inspectorate No. 1 for St. Petersburg. 2012 Advisor to the Minister of Defense. This is a career take-off. Learn guys. Well, as for an attractive blonde, I probably disagree, maybe someone likes them, who is 5 years old women did not see. Probably gives Tolyan not otherwise.
    1. virm
      virm 4 September 2012 09: 46
      +6
      "very attractive blonde"

      And in this photo the horse is a horse.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 4 September 2012 10: 33
        +4
        Quote: virm
        "very attractive blonde"

        Profura drunk.
      2. GHG
        GHG 4 September 2012 11: 01
        +1
        And really the horse is like Ksenia)))
      3. slas
        slas 4 September 2012 11: 04
        +4
        Quote: virm
        And in this photo the horse is a horse.

        found Katie's sister laughing
      4. general-oberst
        general-oberst 5 September 2012 16: 49
        -1
        Or rather, not a horse, but as they used to say, a working woman. According to her face, you need a man who drinks with pounds of fists, and so that he reins along and across with reins. In short, the sow is collective farm.
      5. Su24
        Su24 9 September 2012 04: 46
        -2
        All women have bad photos. And for 45 years, she looks very good.
    2. Andrei.B
      Andrei.B 4 September 2012 11: 02
      +2
      Aunt Zina from the grocery
      1. Armata
        Armata 4 September 2012 11: 06
        0
        But there is a lot in common in the photo.
  12. v53993
    v53993 4 September 2012 09: 23
    +6
    Dolls are pulled by strings
    They have smiles on their faces
    And the clown plays the trumpet
    And in the process of introducing
    It creates an impression
    That dolls dance on their own

    Ah, what a shame sometimes
    That the owner is not visible
    Up and into the dark thread goes
    And dolls are so obedient to him
    And we believe ingenuously
    The fact that dolls can talk

    But the owner extinguishes the candles.
    The ball is over and the evening is over
    The evening will shine in the clouds.
    Puppets will be removed from long strings.
    And falling asleep with mothballs
    In the form of rags folded in chests.
    1. Colonel
      Colonel 4 September 2012 21: 02
      +1
      Neither subtract nor add. From myself, I can comment on the article with one word, which begins with "fucking" and ends with "d"
  13. amateur.
    amateur. 4 September 2012 09: 31
    +1
    Yeah, Serdyukov was completely astonished to see - to drag women around him ..... Who would stop him? He will destroy all the sun, he will achieve his goal.
    1. v53993
      v53993 4 September 2012 09: 37
      0
      Only a bullet will stop this.
    2. Odessa
      Odessa 4 September 2012 09: 57
      +5
      amateur.,
      Yeah Serdyukov completely opupil see - women carry around

      Yes, the fact of the matter is that he is not D.S.A.K. Eh, men ... When I was in my youth, I took a parallel student from the entire group of 30 in a parallel accounting course, only one guy studied, you don’t like such an interesting discipline as bookkeeping.
      Many here write that this is a woman ... Catherine, not seeing her as a professional specialist. With a competent accountant, you can make such firewood that a mosquito can’t smack your nose. And you can turn MO into Voentorg, with a skillful approach. This is from the series, who studied what, or a hand washes a hand.
  14. foxstrat89
    foxstrat89 4 September 2012 09: 39
    +4
    All these reforms only make life easier for enemies, why spend a lot of missiles to destroy the elite of the armed forces? Let the Minister of Defense collect them in one place, and a couple or three missiles will be enough ..... to cover the sailors in Kronstadt. VKA, VKO and medetsin in St. Petersburg. Flyers in Voronezh and Armovir ....
    Sell ​​Homeland! Tsuki!
  15. Manager
    Manager 4 September 2012 09: 47
    +1
    Hello everybody. And this is against the background of the fact that yesterday they voiced it in Military Secret. Like, in 2015, the American missile defense system will work in full force and then we will become completely defenseless. Unless of course we take action.

    Measures as I look Taburetkin with his shawl .. in oh he is making a coordinating! What to say? What is there to do? If this civilian otod is not a feature not understanding in military affairs henpecked

    Everyone needs to write on the president’s website. This is the only thing we can. I really do not want that because of such a country as he we are, for example, (((
    1. v53993
      v53993 4 September 2012 10: 02
      +4
      Which president’s website? Is there anything American?
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 4 September 2012 11: 09
        +7
        Naturally! Ours is fucked)))
    2. s1н7т
      s1н7т 4 September 2012 11: 13
      0
      In my opinion, the only thing we can do is vote for another president.
      1. mitya
        mitya 4 September 2012 12: 35
        0
        Now only after 6 years.
    3. Geton
      Geton 4 September 2012 18: 25
      0
      Does Taburetkin Obama appoint anything? Serdyukov appointed Putin!
      1. Geton
        Geton 5 September 2012 13: 11
        0
        Although who knows ...
  16. thatupac
    thatupac 4 September 2012 09: 53
    -2
    This woman does not decide anything, just as Serdyukov does not essentially decide anything. Both are put on posts due to various ties. It is not clear why they are criticized. For them, everything is done by others from the military department. And these 2e are simply official representatives of the Moscow Region with a civilian person. As the director of a plant who does not solve anything, does not do, does not develop, but simply is the face of the enterprise.
    1. Armata
      Armata 4 September 2012 10: 10
      +1
      Quote: thatupac
      As the director of a plant who does not solve anything, does not do, does not develop, but simply is the face of the enterprise.
      And where did you see the plant at which the director is just a face. The director is always up to date with everything and bears the greatest responsibility for the work of the enterprise. And his right hand is an accountant, his left is a deputy for production. So a bad comparison.
  17. jimm RAINOR
    jimm RAINOR 4 September 2012 09: 58
    +6
    In my opinion, guys .... here is an obvious move towards the collapse of the Armed Forces, all these "young" reformers even during the collapse of the USSR (Gaidar and his sidekick) did not bring anything of value to any area except for the area of ​​interest of organized corruption (the area of ​​cutting the dough) .. ...
    And judging by her words .. she does not care about the future of the armed forces .. but she cares about reducing the costs of the armed forces .... (and there is no armed forces - there are no costs) .... Trotskyites however ....
    As for her biography, career and appointment, here is an obvious blat on the part of your Serdyukov ....
    And after reading her interview on
    http://www.ruscadet.ru/amy/person/priejeva/priezjeva-2.07.11.htm
    came to the conclusion .. that this textbook blonde from the tobacco and alcohol business is going to train "military businessmen" instead of military personnel, who will be trained how to properly resign from the Armed Forces and organize their own business .....
    In general, a branch of the Rat Kingdom is flourishing in the Ministry of Defense ... Where the Rats secretly eat all the most valuable things in the sun
  18. Download Do Re Mi
    Download Do Re Mi 4 September 2012 10: 08
    0
    And then the Supreme Commander is not in the know! And she, in the crotch of the RGD must be shoved, without a check!
  19. Bekzat
    Bekzat 4 September 2012 10: 16
    +2
    From the very appointment of Serdyukov as the Minister of Defense, I did not agree, he is a civilian, as far as I know, how can he manage the military department? There (in the Moscow region) it was necessary to put a man from the military who understands the importance of the armed forces.
    1. Liasenski
      Liasenski 4 September 2012 10: 47
      +5
      It is good that in my state the Minister of Defense is always a military man.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 4 September 2012 11: 03
        +6
        Liasenski,
        It is good that in my state the Minister of Defense is always a military man.

        Yes, and in principle we also have. Service in the army and military career
        His military career was swift. Having begun military service in 1959 in the infantry, he rose to the post of chief of the General Staff of the IDF. At 37, he became a brigadier general.
        In 1964 he graduated from the courses of special forces commanders in France, and then studied at the Higher Military Academy of Israel and the Higher Military Academy of the United States. Member of the Arab-Israeli wars of 1967 and 1973, as well as military operations against Lebanon.
        He began his military service in 1959 in the motorized infantry, but was soon transferred to the elite secret special unit of the General Staff Sayeret Matkal. In the period 1971-1973. - headed Sayeret Matkal. Headed the first successful assault on a captured aircraft (Operation Isotope). He was the organizer of a number of acts of sabotage - the secret operation of 1973 to liquidate the three leaders of the Palestine Liberation Organization in Beirut; Israeli commando raid in Tunisia, a victim of which was one of the military leaders of the PLO Wazir (Abu Jihad) and others. In 1982, he headed the Planning Directorate of the General Staff, since 1983 he led the military intelligence (AMAN) with the rank of major general, since April 1986 he has been the commander of the Central Military District, and since 1987 he has been deputy chief of the General Staff.
        Just get it right, this is not a reason to boast that in Israel everything good Not really in all of military Russia there was no worthy minister with a similar track record. Not when I do not believe it.
        1. vezunchik
          vezunchik 4 September 2012 11: 23
          +7
          So what is the purpose of the Minister of Defense. If you protect the interests of the homeland - this is one thing. Destroying the country's armed forces is another
          1. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 4 September 2012 11: 55
            0
            Quote: vezunchik

            vezunchik (2) RU Today, 11:23 ↑ new
            - 0 +

            What if Romney wins the US election? Probably have to scratch it differently! Judging by his speeches, Russia will have to reform the armed forces very quickly, but for now, it seems that the confusion and reeling of the reform will never end. And anyway, was it worth it all to start?
            1. Pimply
              Pimply 4 September 2012 14: 37
              +2
              Romney uses the same rhetoric as Russian politicians. This rhetoric does not carry a special semantic load. Elections.
        2. TRex
          TRex 4 September 2012 11: 49
          +8
          He went a military path from a sperm to a general ... Honorable. Be that as it may - a career deserves respect.
          And here, from the sperm to the condom. And - quickly, faster than your own screech!
          In general, I am a bastard from Russian (Soviet) reality: today the captain is tomorrow a colonel, today the commander is tomorrow the Minister of Defense of a nuclear power.
          As if you live somewhere on the ivory coast .... the leader liked it - a nose ring, did not like it - a bowler hat.
        3. mitya
          mitya 4 September 2012 12: 39
          +1
          Sorry dear Esther, just wondering, why do you have the flag of Germany and not Israel?
          1. Armata
            Armata 4 September 2012 12: 57
            +1
            Quote: mitya
            why do you have the flag of Germany and not Israel?
            And then all the Israelis disguise themselves like that.
        4. Pimply
          Pimply 4 September 2012 14: 36
          -1
          I would not say that Barack is a good MO. Interesting and bastard rare. The mediocre way out of southern Lebanon, the tragedy of the 1997 year, which many could not forgive him, Kever-Yosef - because of him, then the wounded died. Regarding Barack, I have a long-formed opinion. He did a lot for Israel, but what he has been doing since 90's ...
          1. Karish
            Karish 5 September 2012 06: 58
            -1
            Quote: Pimply
            Regarding Barack, I have a long-formed opinion. He did a lot for Israel, but what he has been doing since the 90s ...

            I support, as a military man and chief of general staff - he was in his place. Went to politics, lost (in my eyes) credibility. I think the most mediocre prime minister of all, and at the post of the Ministry of Defense, will simply transfer the entire state budget to the Defense Ministry, along with Netanyahu. Of course, Netanyahu was his subordinate to Saeret Matkal (Special Forces General Staff), probably still obeyed. Barak brought the expenditures of the Moscow Oblast to the levels that were not high for Israel. (15 mln.dollars). He forgot a little that the country cannot be a branch of Moscow Region,
        5. ivachum
          ivachum 4 September 2012 19: 50
          -1
          Why wasn't it found? Found! They all refused to "rotate". love

          - What did the military do in civilian life?
          -I don’t know, but the citizen was satisfied! drinks soldier
    2. UAZ Patriot
      UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 10: 48
      -3
      And hfih he would have cut someone then, hand washes his hand! Or are you also against the reduction of the command structure? Or do you also think that the entire command staff is "clean" and irreplaceable by virtue of its highest literacy !? But I'm not sure!
  20. Andrei.B
    Andrei.B 4 September 2012 10: 42
    +5
    I’m embarrassed to ask ... what kind of civilian in a compartment with a woman is playing war games ??? for such characters, the ceiling is a natural science in elementary school!
    1. v53993
      v53993 4 September 2012 10: 48
      +2
      Where fools do not put, still fools remain.
      1. Armata
        Armata 4 September 2012 11: 03
        +1
        Quote: Andrei.B
        for such characters, the ceiling is a natural science in elementary school!
        Do not cripple children. They will reformat them along with natural history.
    2. thatupac
      thatupac 4 September 2012 11: 09
      -2
      Pasha Grachev at one time also loved to play war games. In real such ...
      1. d.gksueyjd
        d.gksueyjd 6 September 2012 22: 29
        -2
        Do not offend "Pasha Mercedes" as for the army, he did EVERYTHING he could at that time. And the war in Chechnya would have been different if not for the venality of Yeltsin and his democratizers, and not for so much blood. In the army, he was respected, not like my serdyukov. Since 1977, not one mo has been as unloved as the now despised Serdyukov am
  21. Vanek
    Vanek 4 September 2012 11: 13
    0
    The woman on the ship is in trouble.
  22. vezunchik
    vezunchik 4 September 2012 11: 20
    0
    Is management waiting for the military to intervene?
    1. sergskak
      sergskak 4 September 2012 11: 34
      +9
      vezunchik,
      I also wonder if the military has the patience to endure all this for long and the honor to give such ryahs in parades.
      1. mitya
        mitya 4 September 2012 12: 41
        +1
        He has a greeting even Yusovskoye (without a hat and in the middle of the forehead)
        1. Oleg1986
          Oleg1986 4 September 2012 15: 15
          +2
          Applies to an empty head.
        2. d.gksueyjd
          d.gksueyjd 6 September 2012 22: 32
          -1
          He was once a "pioneer", well, a man of the army don’t know. "Sin is laughing at a sick person." In Russia, the holy fools have always been revered
      2. Charon
        Charon 4 September 2012 20: 39
        +1
        how long will the military have the patience
        For a long time. Forever. The generals terpil merged. Shit on them. On Solovki, snow has not been cleared for a long time.
        Full replacement.
    2. olegyurjewitch
      olegyurjewitch 4 September 2012 11: 59
      -1
      Quote: vezunchik
      Is management waiting for the military to intervene?

      It will be a military coup, but are there leaders among the military elite capable of influencing the current processes?
  23. Varies
    Varies 4 September 2012 11: 31
    +3
    I won’t be surprised if this lady turns out to be an agent of influence of Jewish nationality, moreover, she directly affects the stool through the bunk.
    PS: in history this has already happened, Clinton is subject to.
  24. v53993
    v53993 4 September 2012 11: 36
    0
    Interestingly, how many times did you have to give this position?
  25. Pharao7766
    Pharao7766 4 September 2012 12: 00
    +2
    ... tubaretkin watching a gentleman!
    I rode, along the way, on a leather pipe (I can still see the tax) and did not forget, I gave a warm place in the Moscow Region. Yes, and all his chicken coop!
  26. understudy
    understudy 4 September 2012 13: 25
    0
    In all variations of this literary word. Brainless, dumb
  27. pribolt
    pribolt 4 September 2012 13: 51
    +2
    I'm in shock! Let him come back where he came from ....
  28. r.anoshkin
    r.anoshkin 4 September 2012 14: 42
    0
    The centuries-old belief in the “good tsar” and “bad ministers” has remained in the blood? The dwarfs are ruining Russia, not their proteges.
  29. afire
    afire 4 September 2012 15: 07
    +7
    Maybe the forum users will do as follows ....
    Admins will create a page with an appeal to the Supreme Commander-in-Chief with a request to review the sanctions against Zhukovka and that he would personally answer the question about the fate of this institution with the punishment of those who were involved in an attempt to liquidate this institution.
    or something similar
    ________________________________
    last name each with a new line

    or take it easy and forget it?
    1. Armata
      Armata 4 September 2012 15: 23
      +1
      I am for something to do. Only if it helps.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 15: 33
        +1
        Quote: Steam Train

        I am for something to do. Only if it helps.

        It is easier to arrange a revolution in the United States than to convince our officials of the dangers of excessive love of money.
        1. sergskak
          sergskak 4 September 2012 19: 07
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          than convincing our officials of the dangers of excessive love of money
          And to the protection of dumb coughs.
      2. strannik595
        strannik595 4 September 2012 18: 17
        0
        I am also in favor, although this is from the opera - "why did they put me in prison? .... so I will write to Comrade Stalin, he will shoot you ...."
  30. Oleg1986
    Oleg1986 4 September 2012 15: 13
    0
    Kind of weird. "Despite the demands of the President - the Supreme Commander-in-Chief." Does this commander-in-chief live on another planet? Or is everything so seriously captured?
  31. sapulid
    sapulid 4 September 2012 15: 17
    -1
    And what, noise and din?
    Reforms are vital. To someone, they, across the throat, for, do not allow to steal and sloppiness. Oh, used to ...
    World war has begun and only the strongest will survive. The Georgian company showed flaws that need to be urgently fixed. Mistakes? Who does not have them. They go along an unpaved path. God grant that they do not become fatal.
    Become clearly registered.
  32. Tank
    Tank 4 September 2012 15: 51
    -1
    Yes, this bl..d is only suitable for e..if in the barracks and it’s not a fact that you will get pleasure!
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 4 September 2012 23: 35
      -1
      And you ask a stool about pleasure.
  33. Magadan
    Magadan 4 September 2012 16: 03
    +1
    Quote: Che
    Alexander Romanov,
    The whole world or something to climb the fight against traitors. How are the Cossacks?

    For me, so it is necessary to finally discard the remnants of any tolerance and consider not only these figures, but also members of their families as traitors. Maybe someday the day will come when the descendants of the Chubais, Gaidars and these madams will go to Siberia. It is understandable, the son is not responsible for the father, but what else will you scare such “fathers” and “mothers” with? Ehh, where are you "wild Russia", when the kings of all traitors were sent to hard labor by their families ?!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 September 2012 16: 12
      +2
      Quote: Magadan

      For me, this is how we must finally discard the remnants of all tolerance and consider not only these figures, but also their family members as traitors

      Something similar was proposed not long ago with regard to terrorists and their accomplices, with subsequent reference to Magadan, but they said that I was a beast and I myself had to be sent there. The Russian people can forgive hi
  34. uizik
    uizik 4 September 2012 16: 35
    +3
    Comrade Commander-in-Chief, take me to the service as deputy. Minister of Defense. I served in the army, reserve officer, I know how to shoot, give commands, count money and give honor very well. Higher legal education, unpretentious and eat little. I don’t understand the academies and I won’t promise to disperse them. (JOKE) But Madame obviously didn’t get there. Can it be that specialists can serve in the army !? Marasmus!
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 4 September 2012 18: 21
      0
      on the contrary, you have to write ...... I eat a lot, I know how to share money with superiors, I don’t understand at academies, but I promise to disperse them! laughing
    2. REPA1963
      REPA1963 4 September 2012 23: 33
      -1
      Have you studied together with GDP or served, or maybe you fought together? And then the faq in the ranks then? AND? There are no longer any friends with their classmates (and their friends).
    3. Karish
      Karish 5 September 2012 07: 02
      -1
      Quote: uizik
      Comrade Commander-in-Chief, take me to the service as deputy. Minister of Defense.

      You command - FALSE _ do not execute correctly laughing
      Quote: uizik
      Can not specialists serve in the army !?

      Can wassat
    4. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 6 September 2012 22: 36
      -1
      First, change the gender and become a blonde, and in the RF Armed Forces now not combat knowledge is needed, but the Khlestakovs and Chichikovs. That's so my friend! lol
  35. andrei332809
    andrei332809 4 September 2012 16: 49
    +1
    made a firm out of the army for "making money", and what does not bring immediate income is not necessary. the logic of the "new Russian" early 90s
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 4 September 2012 23: 30
      -1
      And you did not notice from us from the whole company for making money .... From medicine, the army, education, the church, etc., etc.
  36. Severe
    Severe 4 September 2012 16: 58
    0
    I’m wondering when the military will end their patience and they will shoot them like enemies of the people in Red Square ???
    1. Geton
      Geton 4 September 2012 18: 43
      -2
      In my opinion you need to call Hugo Chavez,
    2. cool.cube2012
      cool.cube2012 4 September 2012 21: 20
      0
      In our country, generals become bold only in retirement.
  37. baltika-18
    baltika-18 4 September 2012 17: 07
    -1
    Addendum to the topic. The Minister of Defense has 7 deputies. Sukhorukov-Chelyabinsk Tank, KGB School, Punk School of the KGB, Antonov, former Foreign Ministry, Chushkin, Kozlova, Shevtsova, tax officials,
  38. bddrus
    bddrus 4 September 2012 19: 36
    -2
    I don’t understand: they scream all the time that everything in Russia has rusted and decayed, there’s nothing to fight, and then suddenly there’s super-duper equipment, and these bastards are closing!
  39. anfreezer
    anfreezer 4 September 2012 19: 40
    -1
    Witch on the bonfire !!! The church needs to revive the Inquisition (let it be Orthodox), otherwise something has divorced them, both in agriculture (it was, but still) and in healthcare (the same topic), now it's in the defense industry, and they haven’t gone anywhere am
  40. bask
    bask 4 September 2012 19: 50
    -1
    What are you guys about? This lady mistress for such a position from heaven, chtoli collapsed? To whom the Ministry of Defense is directly subordinate. Who confirmed Mr. Serdyukov for a second term. By the way, the most unpopular minister in history ... our chief commander is the president. All these jokes about this lady and mines. defenses are not appropriate. The president of Russia personally claimed them. All questions to him. Are you against the president of Russia? This lady will not take off without an order and a coward.
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 4 September 2012 23: 26
      -1
      And he has bananas in his ears, so he won’t get it.!
  41. UAZ Patriot
    UAZ Patriot 4 September 2012 19: 56
    -1
    Reading komenty, I came to the conclusion that most of you are tactics and not strategists! Regards, hi
  42. bask
    bask 4 September 2012 21: 09
    0
    Patriot clarify the strategy of the party and government. Maybe I somehow do not understand a,?
    1. UAZ Patriot
      UAZ Patriot 5 September 2012 19: 10
      0
      In a nutshell, to revive the Russian Empire of the 21st century - an optimized confederation (as I call it), and not a clay on the feet called the USSR! I don’t know if you understand ... And by the way I wanted to ask for a long time, how do you all feel about the abolition of serfdom in 1861?
  43. mind1954
    mind1954 4 September 2012 21: 49
    +6
    Well, yes, as always! The king is good, but scoundrels crept into the courtiers,
    thieves, traitors! What power, such and the Minister of Defense!
    One of the leading representatives of the colonial administration!
    Native army in the colony, the academy is not laid!

    The colonial administration is calm - time works for it!
    The dog barks, and the caravan goes! And Vaska listens, but eats!

    The colonial administration serves the colonialists -
    - commodity and energy thieves-traitors!
    To eliminate their power, must be eliminated
    private capital in these areas of the economy!

    Everyone diligently pretends that this is not the main thing.
    or, in general, this is not the case. In anything, but not in that!
    As long as the majority of our population thinks so,
    the fall into the abyss of the country will continue!

    Because, for the hundredth time I repeat, the main and only reason
    the inevitable destruction of our not only state, but also
    country and people - this is the existence and power in a private country
    capital in the commodity and energy sectors!

    The only way to prevent this, to hold
    CONFISCATION NATIONALIZATION OF THESE INDUSTRIES !!!

    And around this task, to save the homeland, they must unite
    all patriotic and healthy forces of the country !!!
    1. Nicola
      Nicola 4 September 2012 23: 05
      -1
      Wisely! Shake your hand !
    2. REPA1963
      REPA1963 4 September 2012 23: 24
      -1
      And who will be the leaders? Are there any?
  44. REPA1963
    REPA1963 4 September 2012 23: 23
    +2
    She has a large mouth, a working mouth, and here he drags her everywhere behind him. And what has the right, a living person all the same.
    1. general-oberst
      general-oberst 5 September 2012 17: 07
      -1
      He dragged such heifers along behind him that this pig was collective farm and was not standing nearby. laughing
  45. m.metis2011
    m.metis2011 5 September 2012 01: 36
    +1
    this is a real betrayal: the verdict - Execution !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  46. Bumerang
    Bumerang 5 September 2012 04: 50
    0
    everything is clear, Priezzheva’s mistress Serdyukov. who was also called Minister Taburetkin.
  47. ramzes1776
    ramzes1776 5 September 2012 09: 39
    +1
    And then they will make sergeants' schools instead of academies and everyone will be happy. At all exercises, the army is being prepared for conflicts against "some terrorists" (especially funny on the border with China). Why do we need academies? The sergeant will cope with such tasks. Another stupidity from the Ministry of Defense is shorter !!!
  48. ... in motu
    ... in motu 5 September 2012 11: 50
    -1
    Men must resolve issues related to the war. Those who / even potentially / will fight!
  49. general-oberst
    general-oberst 5 September 2012 17: 03
    -1
    To rot, rot, rot, filthy broom and mongrel and their owners. It was not in vain that he trampled upon the swamp people; all these embezzlers and nouveau riche have already left the relic. Does the GDP really not see that with this camarilla, he lowers his authority below the plinth. And Gazprom raises gas prices for its people and buys in St. Petersburg FC for 100000000 green two foreign packs. Truly, in our state, the collapse of power sets in. Or it is mishandled Cossacks, or one of two. am
    1. Ash
      Ash 6 September 2012 18: 24
      -1
      The wrong people flooded to Bolotnaya. There went drunken, dull Muscovites who want to do nothing and get money for it. Hipsters, bloggers, gay, golden youth, pedo designers and other "creative fiction". For them there is no Russia, for them there is them and the rest of the second-rate castle. I would have dropped such gentlemen with tanks into the Moskva River.
  50. ioann1
    ioann1 5 September 2012 19: 09
    +2
    The act of high treason continues ...