The West is changing the tactics of using army units abroad

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Material "Confrontation with Russia and China"Aroused keen interest among the readers of" Military Review "and other publications. The editorial board received quite a lot of questions not only on the topic outlined, but also on methods of resolving conflicts in various countries through military intervention and the establishment of power necessary for one or another force in other states.

Indeed, if you look at the political map of the world, it becomes clear that all the leading, militarily and economically, countries of the world to one degree or another participate in military conflicts on the territory of other states.



But for all their might, these countries overwhelmingly fail to achieve the desired results. And the operations, conceived as a blitzkrieg, turn into a protracted and costly confrontation not against a specific enemy, but against the people of the occupied countries.

After completing combat missions, army units find themselves in the "swamp" of daily routine and cannot seriously resist guerrilla warfare. Even specialized military police units end up trapped in fortified areas and bases or suffer casualties on patrols or checkpoints.

Army as a representative of the state


We are accustomed to the fact that army units abroad carry out their specific tasks, and the effectiveness of their work is easily determined by the number of enemies destroyed, occupied settlements or terrorist attacks prevented. These metrics are definitely important. Especially to create a positive image of your own army within the country.

But there is one more indicator, which is little talked about, but which often becomes decisive when deciding on the withdrawal of troops from a particular territory. This is the attitude of local residents to the military personnel of the foreign army stationed on their land. Simply put, locals project their attitude towards another country based on their attitude towards its army.

Any protracted conflict leads to the fact that a foreign army, and therefore a foreign country, becomes either a friend or an enemy for local residents. Moreover, this attitude is strengthened over time, becomes the opinion of the entire people. In this regard, the attitude of the local population towards various armies in the SAR is very indicative. The Syrians are well aware of who is who, and are trying to move to zones controlled by the most trusted army.

Many remember the occasional media report when American pilots "mistakenly" attacked weddings, funeral processions in Syria and beyond. For ordinary people, for the relatives of the victims, the Pentagon's apologies do not mean anything. Just like the apology of the prince of Saudi Arabia for the bombing of peaceful settlements in Yemen.

Even more revealing is the change in attitudes towards the army and the state during the civil war. If we remember how they treated the conflict in Ukraine and Donbass then, and listen to what they say today, then it becomes clear that the attitude towards the army and the Ukrainian state has changed radically. Even those who continue to consider themselves citizens of Ukraine consider themselves Ukrainians from that pre-Maid country, and not the one that exists today.

Killing others without risking yourself


There are also factors that significantly affect the leadership of countries. These are personnel losses that are inevitable in the conduct of hostilities. When citizens of countries to which "we are bringing peace and democracy" are being killed, it is perceived as an insignificant complication. This applies to some other people. It's like being killed in a computer game.

But everything changes exactly when the coffins of their own military personnel are brought into the country. There are quite illustrative examples in our very recent stories... For example, the famous operation of the French army in Mali called "Serval" in 2013-2014 ended largely because more than 50 Frenchmen were killed during clashes with Islamists.

How did the Americans react to their own losses in Vietnam? Remember the anti-war demonstrations in the United States? Remember the Chechen wars in Russia? How people in Russia and Chechnya reacted to the peace negotiations, how they rejoiced in the world ... The death of their own children sobering up even the most militant hawks. The French who died during the Serval sobered French society.

The love of money cannot be discarded either. Both at the level of citizens and at the level of governments. When an operation from low-budget and fast becomes costly, it threatens the country's economy. To put it simply, unbearable for the country. You don't have to go far for an example either.

So, the operation of Saudi Arabia in Yemen, which I already mentioned, which was planned as a short-term aid to one of the parties in the civil war, turned into a protracted war, on which the Saudis have already spent about $ 100 billion.On February 26, 2015, when the coalition forces of the Arab states entered Yemen , no one expected such expenses.

Where "it burns especially strongly" today


General reasoning must be supported by facts. It is quite a difficult task to list those countries where, to one degree or another, there are foreign armies that are participating in hostilities. The presence of a foreign contingent does not mean its participation in hostilities. Therefore, it seems to me, there will be enough of those conflicts where the participation of foreign armies is not disputed.

Perhaps we should start with the successful Operation Iraqi Freedom (OIF), often mistakenly referred to in the press as Shock and Awe. Since the invasion of the coalition troops (USA, UK, Australia and Poland) in Iraq. When Iraq was accused of creating an atomic bomb and supporting Al-Qaeda (banned in the Russian Federation).

Fast war. 139 dead Americans and 33 British against 5388 dead Iraqi military and 7269 civilian Iraqis. The practical destruction of the Iraqi army and the seizure of the country. And in just a month and a half, from March 20 to May 1, 2003. But that was only the beginning. The bloody conflict continues to this day. People are dying right now.

The bottom line? The West has abandoned full-scale invasion of other countries as a way to establish pro-Western regimes. Iraq today is a powder keg, ready to explode at any second. The task of the coalition armies is now to slip out of the trap beautifully. That, I must say frankly, is not very successful. In my opinion, Iraq has cooled the Washington and Brussels hawks a lot. Has cooled down more than one generation ...

The next invasion, or rather the use of armed forces, was already of a completely different plan. Learned from the experience of Iraq, the NATO countries acted according to a completely different scenario in Libya. The operation was named Odyssey Dawn and consisted of aviation NATO using cruise missiles and other weapons by the Gaddafi army.

The operation became in many ways the prototype of the following Western operations in Syria and Ukraine. The opposition to Gaddafi was created and funded. Purchased some generals of the Libyan army. Tribal nationalists (Amazighs, Tuaregs, Gaddaf (Gaddafi tribe), Warfell and others) have become more active. It was these forces that opposed the existing government. And NATO only helped them with air strikes.

The bottom line? The devastation of the country, civil war and hatred of the Libyans towards NATO. Anger for the fact that the country was destroyed, and nothing was given in return. Moreover, jihadists got involved in the war, which means undermining the foundations of Libya as a state. Here the West has suffered huge image and reputation losses.

Something similar was planned in Syria. But here it was impossible to operate without ground units. The reason, I think, is clear. Oil fields were at stake, which meant a lot of money. And then the United States created a huge coalition of its supporters, bypassing the decision of the UN Security Council. 60 countries at a meeting in Brussels on December 3, 2014 formed an international coalition (Global Coalition to Counter the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, ISIL).

We all remember the results of the actions of this "kind of army". What was needed to be taken, the Americans and the company took, and practically stopped fighting the terrorists. Exactly until the moment when the Russians came to Syria (October 2015). Surprisingly, airstrikes have resumed, but now the targets have become not so much the positions of the terrorists as the oil fields and pipelines of Syria.

The bottom line? Today the coalition exists, but it plays a secondary role in protecting the captured oil-bearing areas. The main players in Syria are Russia, Turkey and Iran. It is at the negotiations of these countries and Syria that the fate of the country will be decided.

Changing tactics: jabs instead of blows


In the West, the understanding came that there were no armies left in the world that would be armed only with "bows and spears." More or less modern weapons today are not a problem to buy. This means that for a guaranteed victory the leading armies of the world will use the most modern types of weapons. Not the most destructive, but modern ones.

Why does no one take the threats of the Ukrainian army seriously? Simply because any more or less knowledgeable person understands that Russia will not wage battles a la World War II. It will simply strike at the positions of the Ukrainian army with such means, after the use of which that army simply will not remain. Why risk personnel, if there is dronesThere weaponwhich is almost 100% effective.

An example for modern wars is partly the Armenian-Azerbaijani war in Nagorno-Karabakh. Drones acted against the ground units of the Armenians. It was the drones that caused the main damage to the personnel and weapons of the NKR. It is clear that the Russian, American or Chinese armies will be able to resist robots, and the rest?

Moreover, today they are increasingly talking about loitering ammunition, suicide drones. A projectile that flies on its own until a worthy target appears. Such weapons are already in sufficient quantities in some armies. Can you imagine a war where bullets do not whistle, shells do not explode, and military equipment does not move? And yet this is our future. The soldier will not hear "his" bullet. As well as your projectile.

Among military experts today, the abandonment of army units when waging wars on foreign territory is being actively discussed. Except for official cases sanctioned by the UN Security Council or treaties between countries, such as the Russian aerospace forces in Syria. Global wars do not need invasions today. It is enough to use either MTR or, in general, PMCs. And for support - the Air Force or the Aerospace Forces. But this is a distant (or maybe not so) perspective.

Western experts, in general, are inclined to believe that serious armies are the lot of globalist countries. Like the USA, China or Russia. For the rest, to solve their tasks, and not only defensive ones, it is enough to have well-trained MTR brigades. And strategic rivals with their armies will keep the peace on Earth.

Today, some trends are already visible in the countries of the global West. Someone is already withdrawing troops, not really advertising their actions. Someone is going to withdraw the units, as the Americans do in Afghanistan. Someone refuses to use army units altogether. In general, the West is changing its tactics in other countries.

While maintaining military missions, countries are now trying to act officially, under the auspices of the UN or other organizations. I would not say that the global West refuses to use military force at all. Rather, the West is abandoning a global military presence in other countries.

Instead of totals


Conflicts between countries have always been and will be. Water, oil, gas and other natural resources mean too much today. Claims to possession of some territories are quite common. We are too dependent on governments or individuals to guide countries. There are an incredible amount of weapons in the countries. An overly murderous weaponry has been created and is being created ...

Of course, diplomacy would be the ideal solution. But there is no diplomacy without military force. War is just the last argument of diplomats. The last opportunity to resolve the dispute.

It seems to me that the understanding is gradually coming that wars should not be global. Military force can be used against bandits, terrorists, aggressive neighbors. But it must be fast, local and anemic. Civilians should not suffer from war. Eliminated the problem - and went back.

The army as the guarantor of peace in the world. A dream that should come true someday ...
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  1. +4
    22 June 2021 04: 13
    I read it as if I watched a war drama .. And for some reason I remembered Nicolas Cage's film - The Gun Baron.
    A little sad, a little hopeless. ..
    As for drones, technology and everything else, I think soon with the advent of laser weapons, both defensive and striking, things will be even worse. Some time after their appearance, these weapons will also become available to the countries of the 3rd world, as now the UAVs have become available to them, and a complete scribe will come ..
    It's just that the scribe is expecting us, nothing good.
    You will see ...
    1. +7
      22 June 2021 05: 35
      Quote: Ehmedli
      It's just that the scribe is expecting us, nothing good.
      You will see ...

      If we see!
      And it is still unknown who was more fortunate - who saw, or who, alas, no!
      "And then the living will envy the dead!"
    2. +1
      22 June 2021 17: 19
      I read it as if I watched a war drama ..

      smile
      Military force can be used against bandits, terrorists, aggressive neighbors. But it must be fast, local and anemic. Civilians should not suffer from war. Eliminated the problem - and went back.

      I believe that this author's statement is an incredible illusion.
      In any case, such examples (with little blood, on foreign territory and so that then everything will be exactly) do not occur to me. hi
  2. +4
    22 June 2021 06: 27
    To fight with Russia and China is not in militarily underdeveloped countries
    Killing others without risking yourself
    Therefore, they simply have to change tactics. Another question is whether it will help if a major military conflict can turn into a nuclear war at once? Therefore, it might be better not to twitch at Russia and China, but to sit quietly across the ocean and skim off the American dollar while it is still walking around the world?
  3. -6
    22 June 2021 07: 17
    Many remember the occasional media report where American pilots "mistakenly" attacked weddings, funeral processions in Syria and beyond. For ordinary people, for the relatives of the victims, the Pentagon's apologies do not mean anything.

    Indeed, American muddle pilots with their high-precision ammunition, as they shoot, will go to school, hospital, market, or, at best, to a wedding!
    Whether it is the air force pilots.
    I have no more recent figures at hand than for 2017.
    According to official data, over two years of hostilities with the participation of the Aerospace Forces, 30650 sorties were made, 92006 air strikes were inflicted, and 96828 targets were hit.

    With this intensity and the use of conventional cast iron FABs, not a single civilian was injured!
    VKSovtsy hit the bandits with two-hundred-kilogram FABs exactly in the eye. They don't even spoil the skin.
    This is who is guaranteed the popular love of the Syrians! This is who the staff members should take an example from!
    1. +1
      22 June 2021 09: 41
      This is not the main thing. The main thing is that what we have bombed, we are restoring. The experience of Afghanistan and the Great Patriotic War is taken into account 100%. Be a precision weapon, the most precision-guided casualties among the population will always be. If the actions take place in a dense residential area. Look how Lukoil behaves. in Iraq.Very competently.
    2. +1
      22 June 2021 09: 42
      How do Americans shoot weddings and peace processions clearly civilians there are a lot of videos on the net, even Americans admit it. Please provide a video of the executions of clearly civilian Aerospace Forces of Russia? As you say Proofs in the studio.
      1. -5
        22 June 2021 11: 49
        Quote: Okolotochny
        How do Americans shoot weddings and peace processions clearly civilians there are a lot of videos on the net, even Americans admit it. Please provide a video of the executions of clearly civilian Aerospace Forces of Russia? As you say Proofs in the studio.

        Only the laziest will not write in Yandex the phrase - victims of Russian bombing in Syria. There are thousands of photos, videos and texts on this topic. There are many lies and fakes, but there is no smoke without fire.
        Who are we kidding? Americans? So they do not read this site. Anyone who is most stubborn here understands that for 6 years and tens of thousands of sorties and strikes, it could not do without civilian losses. So the Americans are even more honest than us, they admit mistakes at all, although this does not make it easier for anyone.
        To be honest, I'm already tired of these "brothers" parasites whom for some reason we are obliged to help. It's time to pay attention to ourselves and give us a million of greens, and not pour it into the sand in Syria.
        1. +2
          22 June 2021 12: 27
          There are thousands of photos, videos and texts on this topic. Lots of lies and fakesbut there is no smoke without fire.
          And?
          Anyone who is most stubborn here understands that for 6 years and tens of thousands of sorties and strikes, it could not do without civilian losses.

          Could, could not - I asked for proofs of the shooting of the Russian Aerospace Forces known to be civil persons.
          And your could not keep it to yourself.
          1. -5
            22 June 2021 12: 32
            Quote: Okolotochny
            There are thousands of photos, videos and texts on this topic. Lots of lies and fakesbut there is no smoke without fire.
            And?
            Anyone who is most stubborn here understands that for 6 years and tens of thousands of sorties and strikes, it could not do without civilian losses.

            Could, could not - I asked for proofs of the shooting of the Russian Aerospace Forces known to be civil persons.
            And your could not keep it to yourself.

            Who did you ask from? Who should give them to you? I'm new here. Maybe I don't understand something? Did the Americans hunt civilians?
        2. +3
          22 June 2021 13: 00
          Quote: Nurdom
          To be honest, I'm already tired of these "brothers" parasites whom for some reason we are obliged to help. It's time to pay attention to ourselves and give us a million of greens, and not pour it into the sand in Syria.

          Do you want to pour millions into the sands of Syria? Get ready to pour them into the greenery of the North Caucasus.
          It is better to gather terrorists away from our borders and fight them there than to wait for them to come to us.
        3. +1
          22 June 2021 16: 34
          It's time to pay attention to ourselves and give us a million of greens ...

          Exactly. Yaka is a typical Ukrainian mriya. laughing
          Everyone already understands the feasibility of such dreams.
  4. 0
    22 June 2021 07: 39
    in short - we are waiting for input
  5. -3
    22 June 2021 07: 43
    Fast war. 139 dead Americans and 33 British against 5388 dead Iraqi military and 7269 civilian Iraqis. The practical destruction of the Iraqi army and the seizure of the country. And in just a month and a half, from March 20 to May 1, 2003. But that was only the beginning. The bloody conflict continues to this day. People are dying right now.

    In fact, the most bloody war in the BW was and remains the Iraqi-Iranian conflict, which lasted about eight years. He claimed about a million human lives.
    The second in bloodshed and intensity was the war in Syria. She, of course, praise the Almighty, is very far from the Iraqi-Iranian war, but the number of victims has long exceeded 500 thousand.

    All other conflicts in BV can be attributed to medium and low intensity.
  6. +7
    22 June 2021 07: 49
    About armies PMCs are really fashion of the XXI century. TNCs solve their problems without unnecessary diplomatic "dust": Syria, Iraq, Libya and half of Africa.
    But you can't do without high-quality numerous infantry, especially in urban areas. Even the “dismantling” of Mosul was not without a “counter-strike”. It was the same at the Airport. It looks like the Americans understand this and carry out a "half-conscription", support the "National Guard". Urban agglomerations cannot be defended or captured by drones alone.
    1. +5
      22 June 2021 08: 46
      I agree with you completely. Bombing is not a question now. But it will not be possible to occupy and clear territories without infantry and close combat, not now, not in the future.
      1. +3
        22 June 2021 09: 46
        Why occupy territory? What's the point of this? In the modern world, new workers are no longer needed, it is actually unclear what to do with the existing ones. And territories are not needed, agricultural technology allows you to provide food to the masses of people from quite modest areas.
        Minerals are needed. That is, you need to occupy small areas under the deposits, bring in workers there, and that's it. And around there should be just such a situation in which the local population can neither buy modern weapons, nor produce them on their own. Please note that all countries that are now waging a successful guerrilla war are selling nonsense. Where else can they get money for weapons?
        In general, we are destroying and disorganizing industry. And we make sure that the poppy is not sown. And let them die ...
        1. +1
          22 June 2021 13: 04
          Quote: Mikhail3
          And around there should be just such a situation in which the local population can neither buy modern weapons, nor produce them on their own. Please note that all countries that are now waging a successful guerrilla war are selling nonsense. Where else can they get money for weapons?

          The locals won't have any problems with weapons. It will be provided by the same competitors - not even to seize deposits for themselves, but to create a situation of impossibility of normal production and export.
          1. +1
            22 June 2021 16: 40
            They won't) In our world, there are only three opponents capable of waging full-scale wars. In the event of a full-scale confrontation, any of them can use the scorched earth tactics, since neither the territory nor the people on it are valued anymore. For example, Russia possesses bombs of a volumetric explosion of colossal destructive power. There is only a desert around the deposit, through which rivers flow ...
        2. +1
          22 June 2021 16: 29
          And, apparently, there is no need to export resources. And they are mined without electricity, water, and food for workers. Have you ever seen a large coal mine, for example? And by the will of fate I saw Bachatsky. There, about thirty kilometers away, access roads and waste heaps begin. And the roads for BelAZ vehicles are thirty meters wide. And if the next Anabtanium is located 200-300 kilometers from the port, then not hundreds, but thousands of guards are needed there.
          1. +1
            22 June 2021 16: 43
            No, thousands of guards are not needed. you just need to make sure that the area itself is not for people. Do not forget - the locals have nowhere to take modern weapons. Airplanes can be used to feed a couple of thousand miners. And for export - slightly fortified trucks, such as the same BelAZ. What will the locals do with a light rifleman? Against the same infrared sights, when partisans can be shot at a kilometer and a half? Plus drones, plus multivariate computer analysis ...
  7. -1
    22 June 2021 09: 42
    Russia will not fight a la World War II. He will simply strike at the positions of the Ukrainian army with such means, after the use of which that army simply will not remain.
    Well, there is no point in striking the WHOLE Ukrainian army. It will be necessary to destroy some battalions outright, that's all. Strikes on Bankova Street and on the villas of a certain part of Ukrainian deputies and officials will be really serious and defining the reality. This will be a really victorious operation!
    1. -1
      22 June 2021 09: 51
      Yes, you are an optimist, my friend. Who is this who will hit those with whom the same blood?)))))) I do not mean, of course, a soldier, albeit a Nazi-aligned fool.
  8. +2
    22 June 2021 10: 16
    Europe felt the best of modern war. All the most destructive wars took place on its territory. They cannot drive out the Americans, but no one forbade them to reduce the army. With the collapse of the USSR, they were the first to understand that if there is a batch, then without a big brother they will hold out a couple of weeks. And since my brother needs a victory, let him ensure the victory and ensure. They are fine now, peaceful sky, free money. But then Trump came, with the words I got tired of it. Western Europe is twisting it out here too, we have fierce Russophobes in the east. We need to give them an idea, Russia can't eat out of desire capture the Baltic tigers, Poland and Bulgaria. Ukraine itself is climbing into a noose. Arm yourself for our loans, and we, as we spent our money on the development of industry and social services, will continue to spend. were increased spending on their defense. To thunderous applause from the USA, England, France and Germany. The rich get richer, and the rest remain at the level that is indicated to them.
  9. 0
    22 June 2021 12: 24
    The new - the old use of troops in the colonies is a provocation by Petrov and Bashirov, when these bastards got the English Tommy drunk and made a drunken mess on the train in Chukhonia.
  10. -1
    22 June 2021 13: 09
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Quote: Nurdom
    To be honest, I'm already tired of these "brothers" parasites whom for some reason we are obliged to help. It's time to pay attention to ourselves and give us a million of greens, and not pour it into the sand in Syria.

    Do you want to pour millions into the sands of Syria? Get ready to pour them into the greenery of the North Caucasus.
    It is better to gather terrorists away from our borders and fight them there than to wait for them to come to us.

    Do you truly believe this? You cannot coax terrorists in one place, and fight them in another, and even with the help of one more terrorists.
    1. +1
      22 June 2021 17: 04
      You cannot coax terrorists in one place, and fight them in another, and even with the help of one more terrorists.

      If you want, you can ask where you are now - why Israel created Hamas? OOP counterbalance turned out to be worse than OOP. wink
      Well, you can ask the States why they created ISIS.
      I suppose in order to then pretend that they are at war.
      And by this to justify the invasion of sovereign Syria.
      You are idealistic about the West and Israel (part of the West).
      Before criticizing Russia's actions, you can remember about Yugoslavia. Was it necessary to bomb it?
      It was the Yugoslav scenario of the collapse of powerful states to pieces that was planned in the Middle East. From Israel to India.
      Is it just that relations between the States and Pakistan have deteriorated?
      Is it just that Russia supports Iran?
      In order to understand the meaning of actions, one must look at the level at which decisions are made. hi
      I read your other posts. I answered all at once.
      1. -2
        24 June 2021 19: 59
        Quote: Alex777
        You cannot coax terrorists in one place, and fight them in another, and even with the help of one more terrorists.

        If you want, you can ask where you are now - why Israel created Hamas? OOP counterbalance turned out to be worse than OOP. wink
        Well, you can ask the States why they created ISIS.
        I suppose in order to then pretend that they are at war.
        And by this to justify the invasion of sovereign Syria.
        You are idealistic about the West and Israel (part of the West).
        Before criticizing Russia's actions, you can remember about Yugoslavia. Was it necessary to bomb it?
        It was the Yugoslav scenario of the collapse of powerful states to pieces that was planned in the Middle East. From Israel to India.
        Is it just that relations between the States and Pakistan have deteriorated?
        Is it just that Russia supports Iran?
        In order to understand the meaning of actions, one must look at the level at which decisions are made. hi
        I read your other posts. I answered all at once.

        Israel did not create Hamas. This is the brainchild of the Muslim Brotherhood in our country, by the way, forbidden. It was originally a counterweight to the PLO we created. However, the Jews quickly realized that the horseradish radish is not sweeter.
        ISIS is also not made by Americans, there our compatriots are fighting in thousands.
        The chronology of the “formation” of the ISIS movement dates back to 1999, when the first information appeared about the creation of the Jamaat al-Tawhid wal-Jihad group in Iraq, which later joined Al-Qaeda (both organizations are banned in the Russian Federation). It was these structures, merging with other radical formations, in 2006 proclaimed themselves as the "Islamic State", or ISIS - the "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant." It is interesting that in the early years only a narrow circle of specialists knew about them. The ISIS movement was widely and loudly talked about in 2014, when this group managed to conduct successful military operations in Iraq and Syria.
        According to analysts, their appearance was caused by a whole chain of large-scale and far from the most positive changes in world geopolitics. Among them are the collapse of the Soviet Union, the war in Yugoslavia and its division, airstrikes on Iraq in 1998 and the occupation of the state in 2003, the introduction of a NATO military contingent in Afghanistan in 2001, the collapse of Sudan, Ethiopia, the Maidan in Ukraine, as well as Arab revolutions and the crisis in Syria.
        1. 0
          24 June 2021 22: 36
          Israel did not create Hamas.

          Created. Yes

          counterbalance to the OOP we created.

          Us?! Do you understand what you are writing?
          Just ask about the number of UN personnel still involved in Palestine. There is a very serious figure there.
          Ask why those who left their place of residence are considered refugees all over the world, and no one considers their children refugees anymore. Nowhere and never. Yes
          The only exception in the world is Palestine.
          Children, grandchildren, etc. are considered refugees there.
          That is why the "return of Palestinian refugees" to Palestine is no longer possible in principle.
          If you can and want to understand it.
          And you claim that this entire colossal mechanism is organized by us? lol

          ISIS is also not made by Americans, there our compatriots are fighting in thousands.

          You are not in the subject at all, but you are trying to reason.
          Inquire about the circumstances of the capture of Mosul, after which ISIS gained strength.
          Take an interest in the numerical ratio of the defenders and the attackers.
          Ask how much cash was brought there before that, and ISIS received it without hindrance.
          There, in this story, there are still very interesting circumstances.
          All weapons of the elite group of ISIS troops received "on a silver platter."
          Add "white helmets" to this picture.
          Professionally filmed videos advertising ISIS executions.
          Ask about the national composition of the Aleppo Defense Headquarters.
          While you will understand what I have advised you, you will begin to understand a lot. May be.
          Or maybe understanding the real state of affairs is not your task.
          Sorry then. hi
          1. 0
            25 June 2021 16: 35
            I have already heard that it is not customary at VO to argue reasonably, but this should be done exclusively categorically. I was convinced that this is indeed the case. You are absolutely unfounded asserting that Hamas was created by Israel.
            You somehow strangely confuse the Palestine Liberation Organization created by us with the UN problems concerning the Palestinian refugees.
            The fact that since the late 1960s the PLO has been, in fact, an instrument of the KGB in the Cold War with the Western countries and Israel, was told in his memoirs by the former head of the Romanian Foreign Intelligence Service (DIE), Lieutenant General Ion Mihai Pacepa. The organizer of this project, he named Yuri Andropov, who headed the KGB for 15 years, from 1967 to 1982, and sought to weaken Israel and undermine American positions in the Middle East.
            Yasser Arafat was transformed by the efforts of the KGB from an ordinary Egyptian Marxist into the leader of the "Palestinian people" that did not exist before. At first, Arafat was trained at special KGB courses in Balashikha, then a new biography was created for him, according to which he was no longer from Cairo, but from Jerusalem. We chose a suitable image of the ideological predecessor - the Jerusalem mufti Amin al-Husseini, who at one time supported Hitler and the Nazis. And by 1967, having finally formed Arafat's ideology, they achieved his appointment as chairman of the PLO. Already two years later, the ward declared war on "American imperialism-Zionism." According to Pachepa's recollections, in 1972, Andropov, in a conversation with him, spoke about his intention to turn Arafat into a political figure, albeit a nominal one, and gradually promote the PLO to power and the formation of statehood. The same Pacepa testifies that the KGB, together with the secret services of the satellite countries - primarily the Romanian Securitate and the East German Stasi - actively trained, armed and financed Arab terrorists, taught them to conduct sabotage and hijack aircraft. work in the Romanian intelligence KGB "secretly took responsibility" - in other words, reported to the leadership about these operations as their own - for 11 terrorist attacks in Israel, including the attack on Ben Gurion airport on May 30, 1972 and the bombings in Zion Square in Jerusalem on July 4, 1975.

            We'll talk about the thousands of our compatriots, the scoundrels fighting on the side of the ISIS banned in our country, next time. This is too big and serious topic for comment.
            1. -1
              25 June 2021 16: 44
              I have already heard that it is not customary at VO to argue reasonably, but this should be done exclusively categorically.

              Than to consider gossips to work, it is not better for yourself, godfather, to turn


              You are completely unfounded asserting that Hamas was created by Israel.

              This is such a well-known fact that I am too lazy to prove it to you. Here you are right. Yes
              I'll make a small amendment: it was created by the Mossad, so not every page in the internet says about it.

              You are somehow strangely confusing ... the Palestine Liberation Organization with the UN problems concerning the Palestinian refugees.

              This is strange for you because you did not understand the question.
              It makes no sense for me to write something. If you decide to use my advice and get up to speed, you will find sources that you will trust and answers to my very specific questions.
              Then our discussion will make sense.

              We will talk about the thousands of our compatriots, the scoundrels fighting on the side of the ISIS banned in our country, next time.

              I see no reason to talk about them.
              Our leadership is taking all measures to ensure that those who came to fight for ISIS stay there in the Middle East.
              And I, a Russian from the North Caucasus, fully support our leadership in this. hi
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                29 June 2021 17: 22
                Quote: Alex777
                I have already heard that it is not customary at VO to argue reasonably, but this should be done exclusively categorically.

                Than to consider gossips to work, it is not better for yourself, godfather, to turn


                You are completely unfounded asserting that Hamas was created by Israel.

                This is such a well-known fact that I am too lazy to prove it to you. Here you are right. Yes
                I'll make a small amendment: it was created by the Mossad, so not every page in the internet says about it.

                You are somehow strangely confusing ... the Palestine Liberation Organization with the UN problems concerning the Palestinian refugees.

                This is strange for you because you did not understand the question.
                It makes no sense for me to write something. If you decide to use my advice and get up to speed, you will find sources that you will trust and answers to my very specific questions.
                Then our discussion will make sense.

                We will talk about the thousands of our compatriots, the scoundrels fighting on the side of the ISIS banned in our country, next time.

                I see no reason to talk about them.
                Our leadership is taking all measures to ensure that those who came to fight for ISIS stay there in the Middle East.
                And I, a Russian from the North Caucasus, fully support our leadership in this. hi

                Nothing is "common knowledge". This is an unfounded statement. By the way, the Mossad is not involved in internal affairs, did you know that? Hamas is being destroyed by the SHABAK. I'm deeper into the subject than you think. And our compatriots and tribesmen, by the end of 2017 alone, 2800 people were killed in the ranks of the Ishilovites. Gerasimov said this. Killed 2800, and how many thousands are fighting?
  11. 0
    22 June 2021 15: 02
    The West is changing the tactics of using army units abroad
    The United States did not stop improving the strategy of warfare, you can easily verify this by analyzing the Second World-Korean-Vietnamese-in the Gulf-Iraqi-Syrian War.
  12. 0
    23 June 2021 16: 49
    1. About losses in Karabakh - there the main losses of both sides occurred from artillery fire. Drones played a significant role, especially in the psychological warfare in the information field, but by no means the main one.
    2. About "Military force can be used against bandits, terrorists, aggressive neighbors." - it is clear what the author wanted to say, but the wording is incorrect. For example, the Russian Federation borders on the United States, many NATO countries and China. These are quite aggressive neighbors. And a war with them means a global war. We need to reformulate in the style of Zhirinovsky: "Don't dare to shoot at Beijing, it's better to fuck together at Tbilisi!" Something like this :)
    3. "The West refuses to have a global military presence in other countries." I don't really understand what it means to refuse. Could you please tell me from which country did the "West" withdraw its troops in 2020 or 2020? Or did you mean something else?
    4. And about the goals of the war - well, yes, it is not very difficult to defeat the troops of the conditional Bandustan, but it is almost impossible to keep it for tens or hundreds of years. The Russian Federation has enough land for the eyes. Therefore, if Russia has any need to invade somewhere, then the tasks for the RF Armed Forces will only be to defeat the enemy's Armed Forces, kill the leadership (well, or capture -> democratically judge and hang democratically) and gain a foothold in several points of interest. Fenced off from the rest of the country with mines, art and all sorts of drones. Well, and then give the buns to corporations that will already hire PMCs to guard the swings of resources and ensure the safety of transit.
    Approximately in the style of "Battlefield - Earth", if anyone looked. In the cinema, however, everything ended badly for the conquerors, but in principle they have been exploiting the resources of the Earth for a thousand years before the uprising of the earthlings. And they were let down by a careless change in the production process, which could have been avoided. :)
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    23 June 2021 23: 38
    I want to draw the attention of the author - neither the United States, nor Europe, nor Russia are going to reduce their Armed Forces. On the contrary, we are talking about a new arms race, that is, strengthening the army, increasing its capabilities.
    Changes in the military presence in other countries are associated with a change in the world order - there is no longer a generally recognized hegemon, respectively, the rebels in the host country may well receive modern weapons from political competitors and now they need to mask their presence, that is, make it less obvious. Hence the transition to the MTR and PMCs. The presence has the goal of protecting interests, it will not work to replace it with drones and smart ammunition, because this means open hostilities, while the task of presence is to maintain the desired order with minimal use of force, and, given the changing situation in the world, now even more local and targeted.
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    24 June 2021 10: 16
    Quote: Author
    Remember the Chechen wars in Russia?

    at the very least, it is strange to compare the occupiers in Iraq and Vietnam with the destruction of shaitan bandits on the territory of Russia.
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    5 July 2021 22: 30
    Drones are great, but only against baboons and others like them, with a less modern army that has a full-fledged air defense, rab, rap, rr.