"Did an excellent job in their role": Italian M-35 planes opposed the F-346 fighters

The Italian Air Force reported some details of the Falcon Strike 21 multinational exercise this month. The M-346 UBS, which competed with the latest American F-35 fighters, were said to have performed well during air maneuvers.

As part of the exercise, the aircraft of the participants - the United States, Israel, Italy and the United Kingdom - were divided into two opposing groups. All F-35s entered the Blue forces. The "red" included training aircraft M-346 of the Italian Air Force.

M-346 provided cover for the enemy ["red"] during air combat against advanced F-35

- notes the Italian columnist on the pages of Blog Before Flight.
As indicated, maneuverable and light fighters are traditionally used to fulfill the role of "aggressor", for example, the US Navy has used the F-5 as a "bad guy" for decades.

M-346, opposing the F-35, proved that it copes well with tasks of this type. This is a great light fighter, not just a training aircraft.

- the author writes.

In his words, "today many countries are looking for light fighters to replace the old fleet of Soviet-era aircraft." In this regard, the observer believes that the M-346 has a great future.

The M-346 aircraft are in service with the Air Force not only in Italy, but also in Poland, Israel, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Singapore. The aircraft is capable of speeds up to 1050 km / h. The service ceiling is about 14 km, it has 9 suspension points, which can be used, among other things, for air-to-air missiles. The maximum combat load is 3 tons.

Comments

[lis-ik]

Or maybe not the Russian Federation, but they have a similar plane, in fairness?

[poquello]

Quote: lis-ik

Or maybe not the Russian Federation, but they have a similar plane, in fairness?

absolutely, yak130 our development launched with Italian money

[akarfoxhound]

The Yakovlev Design Bureau, with the joint development of the TCB, gave the Italians everything they could and skillfully, they got everything they wanted, tore up the contract and threw out the Yakovlevites as a used contraceptive, without giving anything in return (in particular avionics). And we are all proud and independent with an empty and very training aircraft, which, according to today's realities of the board of effective managers and squandering of specialists, will remain so until the end of Yaka's resource

[Wedmak]

So ours did it as a UBS, and to simulate several aircraft. There were no other purposes, although later there were talks about a light attack aircraft.

[Wolf]

Similarly, Latin honor. It is a pity that they did not take away the Leonardo radar station. Latini old deceivers, old folk!

[Wedmak]

These are brothers from the glider. Joint development, went to the world, dividing the documentation.

[Thrifty]

Italians had to "inadvertently" knock down a pair of F35s in order to knock down arrogance from the Loch-Kid and others like them!

[Charik]

written the same - with the role of the whipping boy did an excellent job

[Cat Alexandrovich]

And what, did they not shoot down? And so from the text I understood that Pinocchio hinted at this! Like, we did it!

[tralflot1832]

What a circus, a subsonic combat training aircraft, did an excellent job of this type of task. Before them were penguins or Cesna. An Italian's comment is beyond my understanding, I'll go

[NIKN]

The task was, who would win? If only in this situation, the blue would have lost ..., seduced, I also go for a beer, it's hot for something.

[TermNachTer]

And what is incomprehensible here? "Buy inexpensive and excellent Italian UBS, they are even slightly better than mattress penguins, but they are cheaper")))) advertising is the engine of trade.

[Reserve buildbat]

In fact, the Fu-35 is a subsonic useless trash, unlike the M-346, whose aerodynamics are completely Russian.

[askort154]

"Did an excellent job in their role": against F-35 fighters ...

The advertising foundation for the F-35 is beginning to crumble. The first swallow - the British tore up the contract for the purchase of a batch of 68 pieces, calling it "expensive content and unreliable aircraft."

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: askort154

The advertising foundation for the F-35 is beginning to crumble.

And under the "Italian" - it is being built. Marketing, ... Well done Italians.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Viva, Italy! Meow!

[voyaka uh]

The British did not break any contracts.
As they planned to buy 138 cars, they are going to do it.
The issue under consideration is to increase the number of F-35Bs for the fleet (manning two
aircraft carrier and make a "spare" squadron) and reduce the number
F-35A for the Air Force.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Not really. Under the new strategy, Britain is buying 35 F-48Bs by rail. Purchases beyond that are still possible, but exact quantities are out of the question. Those. Now there is no question of buying another 90 F-35s, but buying some more lightning is possible, no numbers. The freed up money will go to Tempest and the modernization of the EF.
Given the presence of the EF, it is not clear why Britain has the F-35A, the purchase of the F-35B is logical.

The strategy itself: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/974661/CP411_-Defence_Command_Plan.pdf

[Liam]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

In the presence of the EF, it is not clear why Britain needs the F-35A,

And when was the WB going to buy the F-35A?

[voyaka uh]

Britain - Level 1 partner in the F-35 project.
This allows you to get all the technologies of the project.
And without these technologies, Tempest will be difficult to make.
The F-35 is the leap to Tempest.
Eurofighter (after modernization) is not bad today, but
he has no prospects. Dead end.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: voyaka uh

Britain - Level 1 partner in the F-35 project.
This allows you to get all the technologies of the project.

Well, they already got everything. It is logical to order another 24 pieces of F-35B block 4. To bring the wing on AB to 36 fighters. It just doesn't make sense to have more.

[voyaka uh]

Level 1 is also a commitment. Technology is transferred in exchange for
purchasing a product.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Well a classic British kidok
The scheme is usual, we need 100 pieces of goods, but give the price as for 1000, we will buy the remaining 900 later, of course, it will never come later. Most like this.
The aircraft carriers were armed, the technologies received. And the fact that they agreed on something else at the start was 2 or 3 presidents ago. I do not think that the United States will put much pressure on it.
They really do not need more than 72 F-35B + 157 EF, there is no enemy against whom these fighters in large numbers can be used.

[Wolf]

They have already reduced 90 F35A, but what will they do with the F35B, we will see, is everything exactly a choice or Harier or F35B? But who will take away England ???

[Maikcg]

The role of the Italians, highley like, was to be shot down by F35, and highley like, they did a great job with it.

[cniza]

M-346, opposing the F-35, proved that it copes well with tasks of this type. This is a great light fighter, not just a training aircraft.

Good publicity...

[poquello]

"M-346 has a great future."
well the Italians shod us from cn to yak130, if ours wouldn’t have it

[TerraSandera]

News in style. The weightlifter dragged the student in, but he stubbornly resisted and he has a great future in biology.

[tralflot1832]

So who was chasing whom? A week ago, they voiced the topic of the exercises. The actions of the penguins in the breakthrough of an echeloned air defense system. And this training miracle is air defense?

[Grits]

Quote: tralflot1832

And this training miracle is air defense?

... Layered. Looks like trains went.

[knn54]

For fifth-generation aircraft, maneuverability does not matter. He is in no hurry (it is allowed to withstand supersonic speed for no more than 80 seconds). will enter the enemy's air defense zone, being invisible, and strike both air and ground targets Yes, but not in a thunderstorm.
Plus several hundred software and technical "imperfections".
And the rest is a beautiful marquise ...

[Usher]

Quote: knn54

For fifth-generation aircraft, maneuverability does not matter. He is in no hurry (it is allowed to withstand supersonic speed for no more than 80 seconds). will enter the enemy's air defense zone, being invisible, and strike both air and ground targets Yes, but not in a thunderstorm.
Plus several hundred software and technical "imperfections".
And the rest is a beautiful marquise ...

as far as I know they are noticeable. It's just that small EPR is difficult to make target designation. And so you can see them.

[Jacket in stock]

, to fulfill the role of "aggressor" are traditionally used maneuverable and light fighters, .... as a "bad guy".
M-346, opposing the F-35, proved that it copes well with tasks of this type.

With the task of being a target?
Be a tough target?
A worthy rival?
The Italian author didn’t express himself very specifically, or our translator didn’t understand what it was about. Tolley wrote us a very short retelling of a very rough translation (as it often happens here).

[Nikolaevich I]

Well, what is there to argue ... "Yakovlevtsy" helped the Italians to make the M-346 ... and in this way, because of the then poverty of our design bureaus, it turned out that the Italians "raped" the Yakovlev design bureau and the Russian Federation represented by the design bureau ...
[b] By 1993, the Yakovlev Design Bureau had developed a Yak-130 trainer project according to the RF Air Force's technical specifications. But due to the "muddy" economic state of the country, there were no funds for full-fledged development. And then the Italians "surfaced"! They expected to present the newest car for the NATO TCB competition! And that is why they put forward their own conditions and requirements ... (Whoever pays for dinner is the one who "dances" the girl!) Under these conditions, the plane from a training plane "transformed" into a combat training plane (UBS). Accordingly, the maximum speed should have increased to 1050 km, seven suspensions for weapons appeared and the required load up to 2 tons, and the runway used should not have exceeded 1000 m.And although this did not coincide with the requirements of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, but under pressure (promise, that the plane will then have brilliant export prospects ...) of the Italians, in the end, Yakovlev's design bureau began to develop two options - under the technical assignment of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and export, that is, for Italy. Since the project was already ready, a glider was made in 1994. And in 1996, a new plane was taken into the air. The engines were Russian. In 1997, under the name Yak-130D, it appeared at the Moscow MAKS-97 air show ...
And in 1999 the Russian-Italian alliance fell apart. There is no clear explanation for this, although it is quite obvious that the Italians no longer made sense to spend money on a joint project. They already got everything they wanted. First of all, a ready-made glider, which saved hundreds of millions, if not billions, and two decades of work. Plus a complete test program.

Russia, in fact, received nothing. The engine and all the avionics had to be developed by ourselves. We also made a division of the markets. The Italians got Europe and North America, we got the CIS. The rest of the world is not entirely clear. It seems that the Asia-Pacific region should be assigned to Russia, but practice shows that two almost identical machines are competing with might and main, and a number of countries have already chosen the M-346!

[Pavel57]

The Yak-130 is sold not to the CIS countries at all.
operators:

 Russian Air Force
 Algerian Air Force
 Myanmar Air Force
 Air Force of Belarus 
Air Laos 
Bangladesh Air Force

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Pavel57

The Yak-130 is sold not to the CIS countries at all.

It seems that the Asia-Pacific region should be assigned to Russia, but practice shows that two almost identical cars are competing with might and main ...

[Wolf]

Nikolaevich you hit 10 !!! That Rusia received the od of the Italians and that the Italians received the od of Rusia ???
When will this Orthodox naivety be overcome?
Cooperates with deceivers is hard and you need to be ready for anything !!!
Garbage is but there is no ice.

[Wolf]

But all the same, Rosia got something, little things but better than nothing!

[Usher]

The speed is too small.

[Wolf]

ALREADY MARSIAN GOLYWOOD !!!
F 35 IMPOSSIBLE HOW MUCH MY mother-in-law !!!
IMMEDIATELY HOW TO RELEASE 1 ROCKET HE IS ONLY CAPTIVE AND BRICKS!

[Wolf]

EVEN CANNOT RUN BECAUSE IT LAMPS !!!

[Ehmedli]

M-346 aircraft are in service with the Air Force not only of Italy, but also of Poland, Israel, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Singapore.

They are not yet available in Turkmenistan and Azerbaijan. SuperTucano has already begun to be delivered to Turkmenistan, whether the M346 will be purchased for them (for the perfect level of training of combat pilots) is still a big question.
But I really hope that they will deliver to us in Azerbaijan soon.
Our command has good plans for these planes.

In addition to everything else in terms of technology, the flight at an altitude of 14000m is pleasing, versus 7000 for the SU-25, the difference is 2 times. For bombing, that's it.
Well, as a carrier of SOM-B1 - 300 km range, for the destruction of air defense missile systems / radar.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Ehmedli

In addition to everything else in terms of technology, the flight at an altitude of 14000 m is pleasing, versus 7000 for the SU-25, the difference is 2 times.

Yo-mine! Su-25 is an attack aircraft! It was designed for low-altitude combat ... high altitude is not an "indicator" for it!

[Oleg . B.]

the yak 130 glider has been selling to Italians for a long time. and they put the plane on the wing before us. Unfortunately, the current generation is ready to put everything up for sale. And the walrus settles in Monaco.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Oleg. B.

the yak 130 glider has been selling to Italians for a long time. and they put the plane on the wing before us.

1. Ultimately, the Yakovlev Design Bureau began to develop two options - under the terms of reference of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation and export, that is, for Italy. In 1994, a glider was manufactured. And in 1996, a new plane was taken into the air. The engines were Russian. In 1997, it appeared under the name Yak-130D at the Moscow MAKS-97 air show.
2.The Italians flew their M-346 only in 2008, but they started production very quickly.

[Zaurbek]

This is a common world practice ..... Yaku paid for the fuselage .... then it was also (sold) to the Chinese on the L-15. This is a good commercial approach and not only for TCB, but also for mass light fighters.

[Mister who]

Subsonic aircraft are not competitors to supersonic ones. The high-altitude supersonic will do them for two times. This plane is for third countries with a small budget. While on subsonic, the high-altitude man will catch up on supersonic, he will click. The detection range and speed decide everything!

[zwlad]

I did not understand the couple. Did the Italians beat the vaunted penguin (the best airplane in the world) in the 346s?