"Advanced Chinese fighters": PLA receives J-20 with engines without thrust vector

Despite reports of deficiencies in the Chinese WS-10 propulsion system, the combat aviation The PLA is gradually re-equipping with the latest J-20 stealth fighters, equipped with proprietary engines.

On June 18, the Vanguard air group made its debut in the J-20, according to the Global Times. This is the second PLA unit to add J-20 aircraft to its fleet (the Wang Hai air group has been using them since 2019). They now serve in Avangard alongside the J-16 and J-10 fighters.

My unit now flies the most advanced domestic fighters, and we will train hard to hone our confidence and determination to fight and win.

- stated Shi Yunjian, pilot of J-20.

Chinese WS-10 engines use nozzles that do not provide thrust vector control. It is assumed that in the future, the J-20 will receive this ability, which is expected to increase the maneuverability and stealth of the aircraft. According to Chinese military expert Fu Qianshao, two-dimensional nozzles have a lower radar and infrared signature than their three-dimensional counterparts.

The J-20 fighter, which made its first flight in 2011, was adopted by the PLA in 2017.

Earlier, China announced that it had overcome problems with aircraft engines. The reports stated that the technology of fullerene nanofilms has been implemented. Then it turned out that the use of these nanofilms leads to an overconsumption of fuel by at least 20 percent.

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[Silver bullet]

Just military doctors brought alcohol to the studio, they say! Medicine respect and honor! Happy Holidays!

[yehat2]

Quote: xorek

What is all this for?

China shows the best rates of equipping with new weapons in the world.
even the United States is much inferior in this regard, because with comparable budgets, China bears many times less overhead costs.
And it is very useful to compare what is happening there with our realities.

[New Year day]

Quote: xorek

Judging by my deleted comments, etc. China is our main enemy now?

He is your brother
Spar further, "oracle", striking us with his thought

[marchcat]

two-dimensional nozzles have a lower radar and infrared signature than their three-dimensional counterparts.

Is it possible to "hide" the nozzles in the infrared signature ??? whatever they are ...

[Starover_Z]

Quote: marchcat

two-dimensional nozzles have a lower radar and infrared signature than their three-dimensional counterparts.

Is it possible to "hide" the nozzles in the infrared signature ??? whatever they are ...

And the main thing is that relatively recently there was a kind of reprint from the Chinese media about nozzles with UHT. They say they glow very well in the infrared range.
And now they were worried that there were no such cars on their cars ?! Inconsistent timid!

[From Tomsk]

"... and the determination to fight and win"
As practice shows, China can successfully fight only with Tibet))

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: From Tomsk

"... and the determination to fight and win"
As practice shows, China can successfully fight only with Tibet))

We remember 1979. China's attack on Vietnam. With incomparable resources and the number of troops, they retreated to themselves, having lost several TENS of thousands of soldiers. I'm not sure of their fighting skills. And equipping their fighter aircraft with "stealth" J-20s with engines like our AL-31s without a deflected thrust vector, about which (fighters) the Chinese press spreads only in superlatives - isn't it premature? Who tested them for their "stealth", and do they fly supersonic without afterburner, what kind of AFAR is there, and how are they in combat maneuvering?

[Nazar]

Mountain shooter - And then in Vietnam, the Chinese achieved what they wanted, and therefore "went to their place." They did not need a victory in Vietnam, but to stop the Vietnamese in Cambodia, which actually happened. After all, in Damansky, it seems like they lost and they had big losses ... but they still had an island.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Nazar

Mountain shooter - And then in Vietnam the Chinese achieved what they wanted, and therefore "got away to themselves." They did not need a victory in Vietnam, but to stop the Vietnamese in Cambodia, which actually happened.

Yah? And Pol Pot stayed in Cambodia? Or is it from another story? In a parallel reality? China has achieved nothing, from the word "absolutely". Damansky, when did he get it? After the battles? Or some kind of corrupt ... then tried? May 19, 1991? How do you mix soft with warm!

[nonsense]

We remember 1979.

Yeah, remember ... the USSR is sending troops to Afghanistan. And nine! years old can not cope with bearded men in funny pants - this of course can be considered a "skill" to fight? The resources are incomparable. The Hindu Kush is indistinguishable from Tibet ... Thousands of killed soldiers ... As practice has shown, the USSR could not successfully fight even against Afghanistan?

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: nespich

Yeah, remember ... the USSR is sending troops to Afghanistan. And nine! years can not cope with bearded men in funny pants - of course it can be considered a "skill" to fight?

They alone fought there? Bearded peasants? Or who helped? And I already thought that they set up the production of "stingers" in caves and villages, and all that ... And also Gorbachev, who ordered the withdrawal of troops ... And abandoned the Afghans, who believed in a new life and even held out for quite a long time .. Without any help.

[nonsense]

and the Vietnamese fought against the Chinese at the same time like one? - The USSR did not help them at all?

[mvg]

And he abandoned the Afghans, who believed in a new life and even held out for a long time ... Without any help.

What nonsense ... this is a zombie, to the bone ... True, there is a doubt about it in the bones.

[Nazar]

From Tomsk - Indusov who slapped, do not remember?

[Rageee]

do not remind who knocked on the head of the Indians? who made the result on the ground in the Korean War? China was not even afraid to shove against the USSR in its time ... and that was back in the days when China was a backward agrarian country. Now China is much stronger, and for the same Russia, without yao, nothing good at all will shine in a hypothetical military clash with China.

[Revolver]

Quote: Rageee

Now China is much stronger, and for the same Russia without Yao, nothing good at all will shine in a hypothetical military clash with China.

Even if the Chinese are trampled with only spears and clubs (as they did in Korea, by the way), there are still too many of them. The machine guns will overheat, or the cartridges will run out before the Chinese run out.

[Gunther]

Quote: Nagan

... The machine guns will overheat, or the cartridges will run out before the Chinese run out.

in order for the Chinese to "run out" it is enough to cut the transport arteries, given the weak air defense, and the fact that China is characterized by the so-called. "agglomerations" with a high population density - they are especially vulnerable to weapons of mass destruction (and not only), it is enough to chop off the snake's head with wings and the slender rows will turn into biomass.
In our country, by the way, demons like Kudrin-Sobyanin were also drowned for "agglomeration", despite Putin's clear answer that it was not ours.

[mark1]

They fly and fly and do not suffer from complexes for engines ("- the best in the world, 5th generation, difficulties are small and temporary ... and that's it!"), Unlike our "sufferers" on VO

[Piramidon]

And all sorts of Chinese "Soku" criticize us for the fact that our Su-57s are equipped with engines of the first stage.
"Than to consider gossips to work, it is not better for yourself, godfather, to turn around"
= I.A. Krylov =

[mvg]

for the fact that our Su-57s are equipped with engines of the first stage

The Chinese have already "riveted" more than 50 serial boards .. They have adopted and armed the 4-5 squadron .. Can you tell me how many serial 57s we have, and how many in the troops? In addition, 300 new J-11D / J-16 analogs of the Su-30/35 only with AFAR and new Air-to-Air PL-15 missiles, and about 300 J-10C / D also with AFAR, an indirect analogue of F16 Block 52/70, there is a J-15, about 50 boards ..
PS,: We will still remember about the Su-57, which does not have an analogue off, which even the Indians refused

[PROXOR]

But what about? !!!!! No sense from these J-20s when our Su-35S looses it like a hot water bottle. What is proud of ?! That's when they give him all the signs of the 5th generation, then let's talk. It's a pity I can give you one minus.

[Thrifty]

It is not possible to make an engine by itself, and Russia has stopped sharing technologies, so they put on airplanes what they are able to pile, otherwise their engines cannot be called!

[kit88]

Russian, American, German and a number of other different types of weapons are known all over the world, many wars have passed, their advantages and disadvantages are known to everyone. This is a weapon with a capital letter weapon.
But no one knows what "Chinese weapons" are, not even the Chinese themselves, except for their top leadership and some of their highly classified specialists. And until the world sees a real successful application of all this Chinese iron, then no Soku will convince normal people of the superiority of the Chinese over other leading manufacturers.

[JD1979]

Quote: kit88

Russian, American, German and a number of other different types of weapons are known all over the world, many wars have passed, their advantages and disadvantages are known to everyone. This is a weapon with a capital letter weapon.

1. It is better known in the world that they advertise well)))
2. Many wars, as it is loudly said))), rather local conflicts, have passed a few units that remain in service until our time (but have already ceased to be produced) and among them are such pensioners as T-34, AK-47, S-75 , S-125, T-62, Mig-21. Amers also have enough representatives of the still used, but no longer produced. The Germans honestly do not know, and they are too lazy to watch. But if you take modern technology, so sorry for the old one, it has practically nothing to do with it)) except for the fame of the brand and often only the name remains in it)) I mean exactly the new samples, developed from scratch, and not the evolution of the still really cool Soviet ones families (T-72 and its derivatives, Su-27 family). How much did Shoigu say according to the results of the test in "Saratov" the samples were removed from service, because it turned out to be a complete sh * t? And they somehow passed all types of tests?))) Here's a Russian weapon))) And how many more such samples, "masterpieces" of marketing, are trying to push through? The same derivation-air defense))) from which air defense-shniki shy away like the devil from incense))). Now another "masterpiece" in the media is gaining popularity - Malva))) it seems that the years of evolution and use of such self-propelled guns abroad have passed by the designers of such a Frankenstein)) Here you look at the last "Czech" DITA and this ficus ... and immediately pops up in the brain ...

However, I'm not saying that everything is bad, only we in the west also have enough such scams, about the fattest 3in1, as a remedy for dandruff)) only on the moon they probably don't know. But there is a feeling that looking at amers and our military-industrial complex is increasingly striving not to make equipment for the war, but to cut the loot. While in this area the USC keeps the palm with its disposable tubs at the price of cruisers, but the rest are also trying to keep up.
And China ... let's wait and see, at least in the Chinese military-industrial complex there is a lot of the legacy of the USSR, to which they added their hard work and the power of the world's first economy. If we compare their budget for science, then they have a maximum of ten years left to a normal engine.

[PROXOR]

Here is the delirium of your thoughts on the self-propelled guns directly hurts the eye. Malva is an export option, hence the increased advertising. Russian troops take 2S19M Msta-S. In the future, it will be replaced by the 2S35, which is currently undergoing military operational tests. And everything is good in both SPGs. And the fire control system, and automatic loaders and mobility on the ground. And the 2S35 generally analyzes the first shot at the locator and makes adjustments for the second shot itself.

[JD1979]

Quote: PROXOR

Here is the delirium of your thoughts on the self-propelled guns directly hurts the eye.

What are you?)) Let's be more specific)

Quote: PROXOR

Malva is an export option, hence the increased advertising

This MO was told to you separately in secret in the bathhouse? And then everywhere they say that wheeled self-propelled guns are being developed for the Russian army)) And who will buy this squalor that is merging in all competitors?

Quote: PROXOR

Russian troops take 2S19M Msta-S. In the future, it will be replaced by the 2S35, which is currently undergoing military operational tests. And everything in both SPGs is good

Keep your cap, otherwise we did not know about the classic tracked self-propelled guns)

[Zorro21]

Poor Chinese. So much money and effort to create their own engines and all to no avail. No wonder they say a miser pays twice, and in the case of Chinese stubbornness, even four times. We would have officially bought this technology from Russia long ago and would have been able to gradually develop it further. And now even the junk actions of the plundered Ukrainian MotorSich will not help them. It is high time to shoot those who are in charge of this direction in the Chinese government.

[Errr]

And why duck the deflected thrust vector? To look like a goat with a button accordion?

[spirit]

I still don't understand what they want? two-dimensional nozzles like the Raptor? or full-fledged ones with a deflected thrust vector like ours?

[Alex777]

Like the Raptor, of course. He is "less noticeable" in their opinion.

[il-z]

IMHO stole the documentation from amers on two-dimensional and praise them as "soon they will appear", but soon the nozzles "will not be born"))).

[outsider]

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Quote: Mountain Shooter

Quote: From Tomsk

"... and the determination to fight and win"
As practice shows, China can successfully fight only with Tibet))

We remember 1979. China's attack on Vietnam. With incomparable resources and the number of troops, they retreated to themselves, having lost several TENS of thousands of soldiers.

I'm not sure of their fighting skills. And equipping their fighter aircraft with "stealth" J-20s with engines like our AL-31s without a deflected thrust vector, about which (fighters) the Chinese press spreads only in superlatives - isn't it premature? Who tested them for their "stealth", and do they fly supersonic without afterburner, what kind of AFAR is there, and how are they in combat maneuvering?

[Castro Ruiz]

Chinese engines are rubbish. And it’s sick (for them) there’s no where technology will steal.

[Kostadinov]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Yah? And Pol Pot stayed in Cambodia? Or is it from another story? In a parallel reality? China has achieved nothing, from the word "absolutely". Damansky, when did he get it? After the battles? Or some kind of corrupt ... then tried? May 19, 1991? How do you mix soft with warm!

1. Pol Pot remained as one of the leaders in the country and never left it, but the Vietnamese went home in 1990. Then they learned a good lesson from the Chinese and Cambodians.
2. Damansky stayed with the Chinese in the same 1969 and even then they made a museum there.
3. The first defeat of the United States struck in Korea, and there the Chinese took an active part.