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"Advanced Chinese fighters": PLA receives J-20 with engines without thrust vector

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Despite reports of deficiencies in the Chinese WS-10 propulsion system, the combat aviation The PLA is gradually re-equipping with the latest J-20 stealth fighters, equipped with proprietary engines.


On June 18, the Vanguard air group made its debut in the J-20, according to the Global Times. This is the second PLA unit to add J-20 aircraft to its fleet (the Wang Hai air group has been using them since 2019). They now serve in Avangard alongside the J-16 and J-10 fighters.

My unit now flies the most advanced domestic fighters, and we will train hard to hone our confidence and determination to fight and win.

- stated Shi Yunjian, pilot of J-20.

Chinese WS-10 engines use nozzles that do not provide thrust vector control. It is assumed that in the future, the J-20 will receive this ability, which is expected to increase the maneuverability and stealth of the aircraft. According to Chinese military expert Fu Qianshao, two-dimensional nozzles have a lower radar and infrared signature than their three-dimensional counterparts.

The J-20 fighter, which made its first flight in 2011, was adopted by the PLA in 2017.

Earlier, China announced that it had overcome problems with aircraft engines. The reports stated that the technology of fullerene nanofilms has been implemented. Then it turned out that the use of these nanofilms leads to an overconsumption of fuel by at least 20 percent.
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      1. Silver bullet
        Silver bullet 20 June 2021 13: 00
        +7
        Just military doctors brought alcohol to the studio, they say! Medicine respect and honor! Happy Holidays!
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      1. yehat2
        yehat2 20 June 2021 12: 58
        -4
        Quote: xorek
        What is all this for?

        China shows the best rates of equipping with new weapons in the world.
        even the United States is much inferior in this regard, because with comparable budgets, China bears many times less overhead costs.
        And it is very useful to compare what is happening there with our realities.
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          1. New Year day
            New Year day 20 June 2021 13: 34
            -3
            Quote: xorek
            Judging by my deleted comments, etc. China is our main enemy now?

            He is your brother laughing
            Spar further, "oracle", striking us with his thought wassat
            1. marchcat
              marchcat 20 June 2021 15: 21
              +5
              two-dimensional nozzles have a lower radar and infrared signature than their three-dimensional counterparts.
              Is it possible to "hide" the nozzles in the infrared signature ??? whatever they are ...
              1. Starover_Z
                Starover_Z 20 June 2021 20: 18
                +4
                Quote: marchcat
                two-dimensional nozzles have a lower radar and infrared signature than their three-dimensional counterparts.
                Is it possible to "hide" the nozzles in the infrared signature ??? whatever they are ...

                And the main thing is that relatively recently there was a kind of reprint from the Chinese media about nozzles with UHT. They say they glow very well in the infrared range.
                And now they were worried that there were no such cars on their cars ?! Inconsistent timid!
  2. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 20 June 2021 12: 55
    +4
    "... and the determination to fight and win"
    As practice shows, China can successfully fight only with Tibet))
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 20 June 2021 13: 17
      +6
      Quote: From Tomsk
      "... and the determination to fight and win"
      As practice shows, China can successfully fight only with Tibet))

      We remember 1979. China's attack on Vietnam. With incomparable resources and the number of troops, they retreated to themselves, having lost several TENS of thousands of soldiers. I'm not sure of their fighting skills. And equipping their fighter aircraft with "stealth" J-20s with engines like our AL-31s without a deflected thrust vector, about which (fighters) the Chinese press spreads only in superlatives - isn't it premature? Who tested them for their "stealth", and do they fly supersonic without afterburner, what kind of AFAR is there, and how are they in combat maneuvering?
      1. Nazar
        Nazar 20 June 2021 14: 29
        -5
        Mountain shooter - And then in Vietnam, the Chinese achieved what they wanted, and therefore "went to their place." They did not need a victory in Vietnam, but to stop the Vietnamese in Cambodia, which actually happened. After all, in Damansky, it seems like they lost and they had big losses ... but they still had an island. hi
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 20 June 2021 15: 45
          +5
          Quote: Nazar
          Mountain shooter - And then in Vietnam the Chinese achieved what they wanted, and therefore "got away to themselves." They did not need a victory in Vietnam, but to stop the Vietnamese in Cambodia, which actually happened.

          Yah? And Pol Pot stayed in Cambodia? Or is it from another story? In a parallel reality? China has achieved nothing, from the word "absolutely". Damansky, when did he get it? After the battles? Or some kind of corrupt ... then tried? May 19, 1991? How do you mix soft with warm!
      2. nonsense
        nonsense 20 June 2021 15: 21
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        We remember 1979.

        Yeah, remember ... the USSR is sending troops to Afghanistan. And nine! years old can not cope with bearded men in funny pants - this of course can be considered a "skill" to fight? The resources are incomparable. The Hindu Kush is indistinguishable from Tibet ... Thousands of killed soldiers ... As practice has shown, the USSR could not successfully fight even against Afghanistan?
        1. Mountain shooter
          Mountain shooter 20 June 2021 15: 52
          +8
          Quote: nespich
          Yeah, remember ... the USSR is sending troops to Afghanistan. And nine! years can not cope with bearded men in funny pants - of course it can be considered a "skill" to fight?

          They alone fought there? Bearded peasants? Or who helped? And I already thought that they set up the production of "stingers" in caves and villages, and all that ... And also Gorbachev, who ordered the withdrawal of troops ... And abandoned the Afghans, who believed in a new life and even held out for quite a long time .. Without any help.
          1. nonsense
            nonsense 20 June 2021 17: 00
            -6
            and the Vietnamese fought against the Chinese at the same time like one? - The USSR did not help them at all?
          2. mvg
            mvg 20 June 2021 21: 47
            +1
            And he abandoned the Afghans, who believed in a new life and even held out for a long time ... Without any help.

            What nonsense ... this is a zombie, to the bone ... True, there is a doubt about it in the bones.
    2. Nazar
      Nazar 20 June 2021 14: 20
      -1
      From Tomsk - Indusov who slapped, do not remember?
    3. Rageee
      Rageee 20 June 2021 14: 36
      -9
      do not remind who knocked on the head of the Indians? who made the result on the ground in the Korean War? China was not even afraid to shove against the USSR in its time ... and that was back in the days when China was a backward agrarian country. Now China is much stronger, and for the same Russia, without yao, nothing good at all will shine in a hypothetical military clash with China.
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 20 June 2021 19: 49
        +1
        Quote: Rageee
        Now China is much stronger, and for the same Russia without Yao, nothing good at all will shine in a hypothetical military clash with China.

        Even if the Chinese are trampled with only spears and clubs (as they did in Korea, by the way), there are still too many of them. The machine guns will overheat, or the cartridges will run out before the Chinese run out.
        1. Gunther
          Gunther 21 June 2021 11: 39
          -2
          Quote: Nagan
          ... The machine guns will overheat, or the cartridges will run out before the Chinese run out.

          in order for the Chinese to "run out" it is enough to cut the transport arteries, given the weak air defense, and the fact that China is characterized by the so-called. "agglomerations" with a high population density - they are especially vulnerable to weapons of mass destruction (and not only), it is enough to chop off the snake's head with wings and the slender rows will turn into biomass.
          In our country, by the way, demons like Kudrin-Sobyanin were also drowned for "agglomeration", despite Putin's clear answer that it was not ours.
  3. mark1
    mark1 20 June 2021 13: 23
    +2
    They fly and fly and do not suffer from complexes for engines ("- the best in the world, 5th generation, difficulties are small and temporary ... and that's it!"), Unlike our "sufferers" on VO
  4. Piramidon
    Piramidon 20 June 2021 13: 24
    +8
    And all sorts of Chinese "Soku" criticize us for the fact that our Su-57s are equipped with engines of the first stage.
    "Than to consider gossips to work, it is not better for yourself, godfather, to turn around"
    = I.A. Krylov =
    1. mvg
      mvg 20 June 2021 21: 55
      -2
      for the fact that our Su-57s are equipped with engines of the first stage

      The Chinese have already "riveted" more than 50 serial boards .. They have adopted and armed the 4-5 squadron .. Can you tell me how many serial 57s we have, and how many in the troops? In addition, 300 new J-11D / J-16 analogs of the Su-30/35 only with AFAR and new Air-to-Air PL-15 missiles, and about 300 J-10C / D also with AFAR, an indirect analogue of F16 Block 52/70, there is a J-15, about 50 boards ..
      PS,: We will still remember about the Su-57, which does not have an analogue off, which even the Indians refused
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 21 June 2021 10: 41
        +1
        But what about? !!!!! No sense from these J-20s when our Su-35S looses it like a hot water bottle. What is proud of ?! That's when they give him all the signs of the 5th generation, then let's talk. It's a pity I can give you one minus.
  5. Thrifty
    Thrifty 20 June 2021 13: 55
    +4
    It is not possible to make an engine by itself, and Russia has stopped sharing technologies, so they put on airplanes what they are able to pile, otherwise their engines cannot be called! fool
  6. kit88
    kit88 20 June 2021 13: 55
    +10
    Russian, American, German and a number of other different types of weapons are known all over the world, many wars have passed, their advantages and disadvantages are known to everyone. This is a weapon with a capital letter weapon.
    But no one knows what "Chinese weapons" are, not even the Chinese themselves, except for their top leadership and some of their highly classified specialists. And until the world sees a real successful application of all this Chinese iron, then no Soku will convince normal people of the superiority of the Chinese over other leading manufacturers.
    hi
    1. JD1979
      JD1979 20 June 2021 15: 34
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      Quote: kit88
      Russian, American, German and a number of other different types of weapons are known all over the world, many wars have passed, their advantages and disadvantages are known to everyone. This is a weapon with a capital letter weapon.

      1. It is better known in the world that they advertise well)))
      2. Many wars, as it is loudly said))), rather local conflicts, have passed a few units that remain in service until our time (but have already ceased to be produced) and among them are such pensioners as T-34, AK-47, S-75 , S-125, T-62, Mig-21. Amers also have enough representatives of the still used, but no longer produced. The Germans honestly do not know, and they are too lazy to watch. But if you take modern technology, so sorry for the old one, it has practically nothing to do with it)) except for the fame of the brand and often only the name remains in it)) I mean exactly the new samples, developed from scratch, and not the evolution of the still really cool Soviet ones families (T-72 and its derivatives, Su-27 family). How much did Shoigu say according to the results of the test in "Saratov" the samples were removed from service, because it turned out to be a complete sh * t? And they somehow passed all types of tests?))) Here's a Russian weapon))) And how many more such samples, "masterpieces" of marketing, are trying to push through? The same derivation-air defense))) from which air defense-shniki shy away like the devil from incense))). Now another "masterpiece" in the media is gaining popularity - Malva))) it seems that the years of evolution and use of such self-propelled guns abroad have passed by the designers of such a Frankenstein)) Here you look at the last "Czech" DITA and this ficus ... and immediately pops up in the brain ...

      However, I'm not saying that everything is bad, only we in the west also have enough such scams, about the fattest 3in1, as a remedy for dandruff)) only on the moon they probably don't know. But there is a feeling that looking at amers and our military-industrial complex is increasingly striving not to make equipment for the war, but to cut the loot. While in this area the USC keeps the palm with its disposable tubs at the price of cruisers, but the rest are also trying to keep up.
      And China ... let's wait and see, at least in the Chinese military-industrial complex there is a lot of the legacy of the USSR, to which they added their hard work and the power of the world's first economy. If we compare their budget for science, then they have a maximum of ten years left to a normal engine.
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 21 June 2021 10: 48
        +1
        Here is the delirium of your thoughts on the self-propelled guns directly hurts the eye. Malva is an export option, hence the increased advertising. Russian troops take 2S19M Msta-S. In the future, it will be replaced by the 2S35, which is currently undergoing military operational tests. And everything is good in both SPGs. And the fire control system, and automatic loaders and mobility on the ground. And the 2S35 generally analyzes the first shot at the locator and makes adjustments for the second shot itself.
        1. JD1979
          JD1979 21 June 2021 11: 27
          -2
          Quote: PROXOR
          Here is the delirium of your thoughts on the self-propelled guns directly hurts the eye.

          What are you?)) Let's be more specific)
          Quote: PROXOR
          Malva is an export option, hence the increased advertising

          This MO was told to you separately in secret in the bathhouse? And then everywhere they say that wheeled self-propelled guns are being developed for the Russian army)) And who will buy this squalor that is merging in all competitors?
          Quote: PROXOR
          Russian troops take 2S19M Msta-S. In the future, it will be replaced by the 2S35, which is currently undergoing military operational tests. And everything in both SPGs is good

          Keep your cap, otherwise we did not know about the classic tracked self-propelled guns)
  7. Zorro21
    Zorro21 20 June 2021 14: 04
    -5
    Poor Chinese. So much money and effort to create their own engines and all to no avail. No wonder they say a miser pays twice, and in the case of Chinese stubbornness, even four times. We would have officially bought this technology from Russia long ago and would have been able to gradually develop it further. And now even the junk actions of the plundered Ukrainian MotorSich will not help them. It is high time to shoot those who are in charge of this direction in the Chinese government.
  8. Errr
    Errr 20 June 2021 14: 13
    +4
    And why duck the deflected thrust vector? To look like a goat with a button accordion? laughing
  9. spirit
    spirit 20 June 2021 14: 23
    +7
    I still don't understand what they want? two-dimensional nozzles like the Raptor? or full-fledged ones with a deflected thrust vector like ours? what
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 20 June 2021 16: 20
      +1
      Like the Raptor, of course. He is "less noticeable" in their opinion. bully
    2. il-z
      il-z 20 June 2021 21: 31
      +3
      IMHO stole the documentation from amers on two-dimensional and praise them as "soon they will appear", but soon the nozzles "will not be born"))).
  10. Outsider
    Outsider 20 June 2021 14: 45
    +3
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    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Quote: From Tomsk
    "... and the determination to fight and win"
    As practice shows, China can successfully fight only with Tibet))

    We remember 1979. China's attack on Vietnam. With incomparable resources and the number of troops, they retreated to themselves, having lost several TENS of thousands of soldiers.

    I'm not sure of their fighting skills. And equipping their fighter aircraft with "stealth" J-20s with engines like our AL-31s without a deflected thrust vector, about which (fighters) the Chinese press spreads only in superlatives - isn't it premature? Who tested them for their "stealth", and do they fly supersonic without afterburner, what kind of AFAR is there, and how are they in combat maneuvering?
  11. CastroRuiz
    CastroRuiz 20 June 2021 22: 31
    0
    Chinese engines are rubbish. And it’s sick (for them) there’s no where technology will steal.
  12. Kostadinov
    Kostadinov 21 June 2021 12: 16
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Yah? And Pol Pot stayed in Cambodia? Or is it from another story? In a parallel reality? China has achieved nothing, from the word "absolutely". Damansky, when did he get it? After the battles? Or some kind of corrupt ... then tried? May 19, 1991? How do you mix soft with warm!

    1. Pol Pot remained as one of the leaders in the country and never left it, but the Vietnamese went home in 1990. Then they learned a good lesson from the Chinese and Cambodians.
    2. Damansky stayed with the Chinese in the same 1969 and even then they made a museum there.
    3. The first defeat of the United States struck in Korea, and there the Chinese took an active part.