"Old-fashioned fighters were used": the Chinese Air Force used copies of the Soviet MiG-21 in exercises near the borders of Taiwan

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"Old-fashioned fighters were used": the Chinese Air Force used copies of the Soviet MiG-21 in exercises near the borders of Taiwan

The Chinese Air Force conducted regular exercises near the air borders of Taiwan, which Beijing considers the territory of the PRC. These tests received special attention due to the fact that they involved old aircraft of the Chinese air force. These are Chengdu J-7 fighters, which are copies of the Soviet MiG-21. J-7 aircraft in China were produced for a long period of time - from 1967 to 2013.

In the Chinese press, commenting on the exercises near the borders of Taiwan, they noted that "it is probably about an attempt to test the effectiveness of the Taiwanese air defense."



Chinese edition of the Global Times:

This marks the first time that "old-fashioned" J-7 fighters have been used on a regular PLA exercise in the region since the island began using its Aviation.

Taiwan Service News UDN notes that along with the J-7, other aircraft from the Chinese Air Force appeared in the immediate vicinity of Taiwan's borders. In particular, we are talking about the Shaanxi Y-8 electronic warfare aircraft. This is a Chinese copy of the Soviet An-12.

It has been suggested that the Chinese Air Force has practiced suppressing Taiwan's air defense radars and simulated interceptions of Taiwanese fighters. It was as the aircraft of the Taiwan Air Force that 4 Chengdu J-7 fighters could be used during the exercises. Together with them, more modern combat aircraft of the Chinese air force - J-16 fighters were seen in the sky.

Earlier, American journalists asked the Russian president a question about what the Russian Federation would do in the event of a Chinese attack on Taiwan. Vladimir Putin, in turn, asked where the American reporters got the information that China is going to attack someone, including Taiwan, and added that Beijing is carrying out economic cooperation with the island.
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    1. The comment was deleted.
    2. +2
      20 June 2021 11: 21
      In some cases, the capabilities of the moment-21 will be enough. He will not be alone, with him will be a serious military machine of China.
      1. +10
        20 June 2021 11: 29
        Is the plane produced in 2013? He's not that old, but in skillful hands and certain conditions, in combination with another technique, he can still make a "rustle" as soon as possible ...
      2. +6
        20 June 2021 11: 29
        Quote: Herman 4223
        In some cases, the capabilities of the moment-21 will be enough. He will not be alone, with him will be a serious military machine of China.


        Well, it looks like they were used as bait to activate Taiwan's air defense.
        In principle, no matter what piece of iron it flew and how old it was.
        It is logical to use the oldest one with an unused resource.
        1. +1
          20 June 2021 12: 18
          Not necessarily as bait. He can deal with interception of goals? It may well. It is not necessary to drive to intercept any Su-27 drones.
      3. +1
        20 June 2021 12: 52
        There is a radar station, there are RTR facilities. WHY to disclose some characteristics / parameters ahead of time. new technology.
      4. +4
        20 June 2021 13: 51
        I remember other articles and news, somewhere a year ago ...
        That China has big plans to convert obsolete aircraft to unmanned versions.
        And it doesn't say whether the planes were with pilots or not.
        But what if? We observed the "opening of the air defense" of Karabakh by the Azerbaijani Air Force with the help of An-2 unmanned aerial vehicles.
        In the Chinese press, commenting on the exercises near the borders of Taiwan, they noted that "it is probably about an attempt to test the effectiveness of the Taiwanese air defense."

        Even if at the moment the planes were piloted, then they have a place to have such state programs.

        This is a great solution! The planes will shoot back, there will be no loss of pilots, the air defense will spend missiles and reveal its location, and you will not have to spend money on the disposal of old planes. Some benefits.
        1. 0
          21 June 2021 01: 12
          Quote: RealPilot
          This is a great solution! The planes will shoot back, there will be no loss of pilots, the air defense will spend missiles and reveal its location, and you will not have to spend money on the disposal of old planes. Some benefits.

          The idea is not new, for the first time I read about it while studying the KPA ... they have about 300 combat jet planes taken out of service and prepared as UAVs, apparently either for opening the object air defense system of the South Caucasus or delivering pinpoint strikes against strategic objects of the South Caucasus ...
    3. +1
      20 June 2021 11: 26
      China will return Taiwan from the inside to its embrace. 5 column in higher educational institutions of China is preparing, 11-14 thousand Taiwanese are getting higher education in China. The United States can act like this, but what is not for China?
      1. +5
        20 June 2021 11: 50
        And it's not a fact that China needs a communist Taiwan with business gone from there ... that's why the integration will be soft. For example, Taiwan is not closed to Western technology ...
        1. +1
          20 June 2021 12: 20
          While Taiwan is under US control, of course, nothing is closed.
        2. 0
          20 June 2021 12: 24
          There, the devil will break his leg with the political alignment. If the United States does not open its market to Taiwan by word of mouth, it will still hold out.
        3. +3
          20 June 2021 13: 07
          Quote: Zaurbek
          And it's not a fact that China needs a communist Taiwan with business gone from there ... that's why the integration will be soft. For example, Taiwan is not closed to Western technology ...

          China has experience with the annexation of Hong Kong.
          1. 0
            20 June 2021 13: 34
            Quite right. And, if not for the machinations of the United States and Britain, it would be better
    4. 0
      20 June 2021 11: 31
      "Old-fashioned" fighters And now the Air Force got into various untermensch? Fashionable, not fashionable ...
      The MiG-21 is a good machine, reliable and with great modernization potential for its time.
      1. +1
        20 June 2021 12: 06
        Agree - "in due time". But despite the fact that it was a truly successful aircraft, its time has passed, and its combat value is now questionable, even against the Taiwanese Air Force.
        1. +1
          20 June 2021 12: 51
          to shoot down drones - just right
          1. +1
            20 June 2021 13: 33
            Quote: novel xnumx
            to shoot down drones - just right

            As part of the PLA Air Force of these "drone knockers" - 528 (216 J-7, 192 J-7E and 120 J-7G), by the way, WIKI says that they were assembled from 1966 to 2008.
            Another "drone knocker" is the J-8 - 192 units.
            .... in total, the above "drone knockers" make up half of the PLA Air Force fighter aircraft ..
            ... you can still use the old Q-5 attack aircraft (licensed copy of the MiG-19) - 120 units.
            In general, after looking at the combat composition of the PLA Air Force, Chinese fans will be very upset, tk. 50% of combat aircraft are 3rd generation aircraft, which the Russian Federation immediately got rid of after the collapse of the Soviet Union ...

            I think the Chinese comrades are doing the right thing, that they are training on analogues of the MiG-21, the main losses during the capture of the PLA of Taiwan will be among the Air Force (fighter, transport and PLO aviation) ... so it is reasonable to throw the 3rd generation aircraft in the first echelon ... otherwise, the PLA Air Force will suffer irreparable losses and lose dominance in the APR ...
          2. 0
            20 June 2021 14: 55
            cruising - 1000 km / h is not much?
        2. Cat
          +2
          20 June 2021 14: 41
          even against the Taiwanese Air Force

          Why even? The Taiwanese Air Force is strong enough even for China: 142 F-16s (of which 42 have been upgraded to the V modification), about fifty Mirage-2000-5, about a hundred F-5Fs, and a lot of little things, incl. AWACS aircraft.
    5. +2
      20 June 2021 11: 51
      But the Indians did not bother to localize the MiG21 ..... Although China simply copied it without a license .... and the Indians could do it legally.
      1. +3
        20 June 2021 12: 04
        ... China just copied without a license ...
        no, didn't guess
        ... In 1961, the Chinese government acquired a license to manufacture the MiG-21F-13 and the R-NF-300 turbojet engine [1]. In addition to drawings and technical documentation, the PRC also received several ready-made fighters of this modification, as well as aircraft kits for assembling a Chinese pre-production batch of fighters.
    6. 0
      20 June 2021 11: 52
      It seems that they decided not to shine their new ones in front of the Taiwanese air defense. In a word, the Chinese know better what, where and when to use.
    7. +2
      20 June 2021 12: 10
      On the one hand, the principle of reasonable sufficiency, if the task can be performed by the old cheap equipment, "why pay more?"
      On the other hand, we do not know what kind of task they were performing there, over there in Karabakh, in general, the "corn workers" went into action.
    8. +1
      20 June 2021 12: 23
      "Old-fashioned fighters were used"

      Lost in translation or humor like that? I can hardly imagine a fighter "from Yudashkin".
    9. +1
      20 June 2021 12: 35
      The plane is now just a flying launcher. So the twenty-first MiG is sometimes enough. All power is in rockets. And if globally, for many years I have been thinking about such a sufficient plane:
      1. Two engines are not needed, they greatly increase the cost of the design. One is enough, especially considering that there is no need for speed, altitude and maneuverability records - this is not Vietnam, close combat will not return anymore.
      2. For the same reason, the built-in cannon is not needed either; on occasion it will be much easier to attach the container.
      3. In general, built-in weapons are not needed, all-all weapons can be attached in the form of containers.
      4. Even a built-in radar is not needed. Again, you can attach a container, or even better - have a good AWACS aircraft that sees much further. And on the fighter - only passive sensors that work only for reception.
      5. Stealth is not needed. It is not only very expensive and difficult, but also useless. Who can see it anyway. It is much more correct to use the AWACS aircraft again, which obviously sees farther than any fighters and will allow you to shoot from outside the enemy's visibility range.
      Something like that.
      1. +2
        20 June 2021 12: 55
        it turns out something like An-24
        1. +2
          20 June 2021 13: 30
          Quote: novel xnumx
          like An-24

          Roma hi The AN-2 is enough !!! Chukh-chukh-chug, skirting the relief! laughing
          1. +2
            20 June 2021 13: 40
            and ... shit-shit out of containers ... lol
            Volodya. Hey! hi
            1. +1
              20 June 2021 13: 43
              And, shshshshshshsh - bang-bang-bang! And silence ! Yes
              1. +1
                20 June 2021 16: 43
                shot down, chtoli ???
                1. +1
                  21 June 2021 01: 13
                  Yes you sho! Shot, bombed and quietly home! wink
      2. 0
        20 June 2021 13: 17
        Well, following your logic - why then do you need an airplane at all, are there missiles ?? And their sensors are active-passive and the AWACS aircraft can give target designation, and neural networks with AI give the ability to interact in a flock, and so on. wassat
        1. 0
          20 June 2021 13: 40
          Quite right. Such an aircraft-flying launcher may well be unmanned. And then I remember that AWACS is quite correctly read as AWACS. That is, the plane is also engaged in control. In this huge carcass, it is quite possible to fit the equipment for commanding such drones ... Or even a hangar. And it turns out a flying aircraft carrier.
        2. 0
          20 June 2021 14: 35
          Quote: Klingon
          Why then do you need an airplane at all, are there missiles?

          No, then the rockets will be too big.
          And the plane will bring them closer to the target, and will raise them higher in the air, and will give in the initial speed.
      3. +2
        20 June 2021 14: 22
        Quote: Basarev
        now not Vietnam, melee will not return anymore.

        In order to return, you must first go somewhere. And BVB is still the main form of air combat.
      4. 0
        20 June 2021 14: 29
        Quote: Basarev
        For the same reason, the built-in cannon is not needed; on occasion, it will be much easier to attach the container.

        We passed already, the same MiG21s were without guns, then we realized that the missiles were running out too quickly. And they do not always fall.
        3. In general, built-in weapons are not needed, all-all weapons can be attached in the form of containers.

        There will not be enough suspension points, they may also end.
        ... Even a built-in radar is not needed. Again, you can attach a container, or even better - have a good AWACS aircraft that sees much further. And on the fighter - only passive sensors that work only for reception.

        They also passed. Our Migi had a deliberately weak radar. Like why, we are going to fight on our territory, but here we have a radar station on the ground, and AWACS will help.
        And then it turned out that both the radar and the AWACS could also unexpectedly end.
        ... Stealth is not needed.

        aha, if you are a carrier of long-range missiles and even theoretically you cannot fly into the zone of action of enemy aircraft.
        True, in life, this very enemy aircraft can fly to you by itself.
        Otherwise, yes, you are right, for the first strike on the ground from your airspace, when they will not shoot at you, because the war has not yet begun, or a "barn" will be enough to intercept at long-range lines with the help of long-range missiles with an autonomous seeker. loaded with rockets. The main thing is to make rockets bigger.
    10. kig
      0
      20 June 2021 14: 07
      Vladimir Putin, in turn, asked where American reporters got the information that China is going to attack someone, including Taiwan.
      - and Comrade Xi got the hint
    11. 0
      20 June 2021 19: 15
      So maybe the J-7s were just the F-16s of Taiwan? The performance characteristics are about the same, the only difference is in armament laughing
    12. 0
      21 June 2021 20: 39
      Really, the MiG-21 is a unique machine. Thanks to your article, tomorrow I will begin to collect material for the next review.
      Thank you!

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