"The last refuge of the Prussian tradition": Western press on the armies of the GDR and Chile

After the complete defeat of Nazi Germany, it was divided between East and West, and its armed forces were disbanded. But as tensions escalated between the two blocs led by the USSR and the United States, both sides of the confrontation came to the conclusion that it was necessary to create German armies.

As noted in the Defensionem, after its appearance in 1955, the Bundeswehr sought to avoid any analogies with the Wehrmacht, in connection with which "the new West German army abandoned its entire Prussian heritage."

Gone are the old-fashioned uniforms, parades, goosefoot [printed step] and stahlhelm [specific infantry helmet]. Form, style and drill were borrowed from the American and British armies

- indicated in the Western edition.

In the East, the Volksarmee was founded in 1956.

But everything was different there. East Germans wanted to stand out from their allies and protect their Prussian heritage

- explained in the publication.

According to the author, the cut of the ammunition was created on the model of the old form of the Wehrmacht, which, moreover, retained the field gray color. The helmet was copied from the prototype of the Wehrmacht helmet B / II. Field camouflage uniforms were allegedly based on the SS uniform. The Prussian tradition has also been preserved in the form of parades. However, all this "sunk into oblivion" after the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1990 and the absorption of the Volksarmee by the Bundeswehr.

Today, if you are looking for Prussian military traditions, you should take a look at their last refuge - the Chilean army. She very early adopted Prussian drills and tactics. This helped the South American country win a series of military victories. From afar, a Chilean fighter could easily be mistaken for a Wehrmacht soldier

- indicated in the publication.

Comments

[Popandos]

Tradition, what's wrong with that?

[Finches]

Germany fell under the Anglo-Saxons, and the GDR remained a distinctive German country. Chile, after Pinochet, is a separate topic altogether, but traditions, if any, are better than their absence!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Finches

Germany fell under the Anglo-Saxons, and the GDR remained a distinctive German country.

And the army in the GDR was worthy of respect.

[Finches]

I absolutely agree and also the Stasi!

[lis-ik]

Quote: Finches

I absolutely agree and also the Stasi!

The Stasi was generally considered the best in the whole world. Even the first KGB department consulted with them.

[Alexander Kopychev]

And the army in the GDR was worthy of respect.

Of course !!! They also Respected us ... A good example - we sweep our site Karl Marx Strasse. I am still a first-year soldier ... And there is a soldier of the GDR Army in full dress, the "old men" quickly sent me to shoot a cigarette ... He apologizes that he does not smoke, well, excuse me, Kamrad! So he went around the corner, there the store is far enough away, returned, was not too lazy, with a pack of cigarettes ... For a long time they stood smiling and shook hands.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

He apologizes for not smoking, well, excuse me, Kamrad! So he went around the corner, there the store is far enough away, returned, was not too lazy, with a pack of cigarettes ... For a long time they stood smiling and shook hands.

And the Germans respected their army very much. We were returning from the city by taxi, there was a big queue, two cadets ran up, then the whole line let the guys pass without speaking. Then they told us that this was the order in the GDR.

[ccsr]

Quote: tihonmarine

And the army in the GDR was worthy of respect.

It was the best trained army in Europe after the Soviet Army, and this was recognized by all military professionals. I not only heard this, but also knew it myself, since I had encountered the NNA of the GDR and its officers more than once. By the way, we should also learn from the Germans not only on some purely professional military issues, but also in terms of the approach to manning the army.
In the NNA of the GDR, the issue of hazing was solved simply and painlessly - their sergeants and non-commissioned officers immediately signed a contract for at least three years of service, received separate housing in hostels, about 400 marks a month and immediately became a completely different serviceman, whom conscripts could touch with a finger could not. But they led their subordinates in a completely different way from our sergeants, who received stripes after a year of service, and were not psychologically prepared to command those with whom they had previously stood side by side in the ranks.
In general, the topic of NPA is so interesting that those who served in the GSVG can tell a lot of things that we would not hurt to learn from them.

[Igoresha]

which would not hurt us to learn from them.

Your post is interesting, write an article)) my friends told me that the GDR tankers always had clean overalls, ..

[ccsr]

Quote: Igoresha

Your post is interesting, write an article)) my friends told me that the GDR tankers always had clean overalls, ..

Of course, I will not write an article, it will take too much time, and a lot has been forgotten, but as for the uniforms of the NPA servicemen, there was an iron principle - invoicing for any additional property issued, which through the fault of its owner fell into disrepair. If a soldier lost something of the ammunition or rendered the same overalls unusable, then he was immediately given a new one, but after being fired from the army, he was obliged to pay in full when he got a job. It was followed by a writ of execution, and part of the salary was withheld from him. Given the small size of the country and small number, the debtor could not hide. In this way, in a simple way, they were taught to respect military equipment. Well, we must pay tribute that the detergents and washing substances in the GDR army were much better than our domestic ones, which is why it was easier for the Germans to wash or clean their uniforms even in the barracks.

[Igoresha]

Issuing an invoice for any additional property issued that has become unusable through the fault of its owner.

the decline of the USSR, at construction battalions who, according to self-financing, repairs and construction sites were also calculated from the soldier's salary for the uniform ..... but with combat training they had, as it was, more than 6 rounds a year?

[ccsr]

Quote: Igoresha

the decline of the USSR, at the construction battalions who, according to self-financing, repairs and construction sites were also deducted from the soldiers' salary for the uniform ..

In the USSR, there were construction units in several ministries, in addition to the Ministry of Defense, and therefore there were different orders, including with the payment of their labor. I know about such an order as deductions, but, as far as I know, there were district construction battalions, there were somewhat different relations. I will not discuss this, tk. not good at this topic.

Quote: Igoresha

and with combat training, how was it, more than 6 rounds a year?

If my memory serves me, then they served for a year or a year and a half, depending on the type of armed forces. I don’t know about their shooting, but I remember the fact that they were constantly involved in sports and playing on sports grounds - this is how the Germans improved their gene pool, believing that sports exercises in the army would allow them to have healthy offspring in the future. By the way, since Honnecker took care of the health of the nation, no one in the world could compare with him.

[Igoresha]

Honnecker himself would have lived up to 100 years if he had not experienced such trials in his old age.

[Revolver]

Quote: ccsr

there was an ironclad principle - invoicing for any additional property issued, which through the fault of its owner fell into disrepair.

Germans, they are. The families of the executed were invoiced for the cartridges.

[Jager]

Don't you confuse it with China?

[Revolver]

Quote: Jager

Don't you confuse it with China?

The Chinese themselves do not invent anything, but copy the master. And they invented it in Germany, with Adolf Aloizovich, so beloved by some here.

[nickname7]

he was immediately given a new one, but after his dismissal from the army, he was obliged to pay in full,

We give out the equipment once, but something is lost and they begin to steal from each other.

[Revolver]

Quote: ccsr

Well, we must pay tribute that the detergents and washing substances in the army of the GDR were much better than our domestic

I still remember "Gloss". When he first appeared, my mother tried it, and since then until the departure she used only it, although the laundry soap was several times cheaper. In America, there has never been anything like it, and it’s a pity. Washed even grease stains.

[Doliva63]

I agree, the NNA was an interesting army. I liked everything there. But here we had a sister battalion - the battalion named after R. Zorge, and we periodically, like, competed with them. A specific rival we had was their long-range reconnaissance platoon (FAZ, it seems, was called, they had such a cool badge - UAZ under a parachute) - well, exemplary order !, excellent physical, excellent fire, but how it came to tactical-special - "merged" outright. Either we trained our fighters well, or they didn’t really understand theirs, I didn’t understand. As a consolation for the NNA, I will add - do you remember when a company of rangers of the 75th US regiment was stationed in West Berlin? This is how we "made" them too Yeah, GSVG, she was like that

[ccsr]

Quote: Doliva63

Either we trained our fighters well, or they didn’t really understand theirs, I didn’t understand.

Of course, we cooked better - I say this without any false modesty, we just learned the lessons of the Second World War well.

Quote: Doliva63

But we had a sister battalion

I have been to some German parts of the corresponding profile, and believe me technically, they were certainly strong in some products. After the beginning of the unification of Germany, we were delivered to Torgau with four-speed two-track Ukher with reels of film, and compared to our "Olives" it was something, judging by the quality of work and reproduction.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Doliva63

Either we trained our fighters well, or they didn’t really understand theirs, I didn’t understand.

Of course, we cooked better - I say this without any false modesty, we just learned the lessons of the Second World War well.

Quote: Doliva63

But we had a sister battalion

I have been to some German parts of the corresponding profile, and believe me technically, they were certainly strong in some products. After the beginning of the unification of Germany, in Torgau we got We played four-speed, two-track Ukhera with reels of film, and compared to our "Olives" it was something, judging by the quality of work and playback.

Well, I can't judge here, we didn't have anything from "technology" except for Realia. But here there was a kind of plus - on the floor where the classroom and the warehouse of Realia were located, there was a special officer's office, and he did not have access to Realia. The officers and I even argued whether they would give admission or move out? Moved out. As a result, we have another training class. And I love the GDR, after all, my childhood passed there.

[ccsr]

Quote: Doliva63

And I love the GDR, after all, my childhood passed there.

If we imagine some kind of ideal society for a working person, then the GDR came closest to it - and this I affirm with some envy, although I always think that there is no country in the world better than my Motherland. If the CPSU paid more attention to studying the experience of this country, and would abandon some dogmas in relation to Marxist attitudes, we could still live in the USSR, but at a different qualitative level. I think that there will no longer be such a country as the GDR in the world, which is why East Germans are increasingly nostalgic about their past and dream of returning the past, right up to secession from the Federal Republic of Germany, as some of them suggest.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Doliva63

And I love the GDR, after all, my childhood passed there.

If we imagine some kind of ideal society for a working person, then the GDR came closest to it - and this I affirm with some envy, although I always think that there is no country in the world better than my Motherland. If the CPSU paid more attention to studying the experience of this country, and would abandon some dogmas in relation to Marxist attitudes, we could still live in the USSR, but at a different qualitative level. I think that there will no longer be such a country as the GDR in the world, which is why East Germans are increasingly nostalgic about their past and dream of returning the past, right up to secession from the Federal Republic of Germany, as some of them suggest.

On the account of the GDR I agree completely!

[your1970]

Quote: Doliva63

there was a special officer's office, but he did not have access to Realia. The officers and I even argued whether they would give admission or move out?

The special officer did not have "Secret Owls" ??? !!!!!
And how would he work with you - in the event of an emergency with your participation? "I will tell you nothing, Comrade Captain / Major - you have no admission !!!!" ??????
Chet is hard to believe to be honest ...

[Doliva63]

Quote: your1970

Quote: Doliva63

there was a special officer's office, but he did not have access to Realia. The officers and I even argued whether they would give admission or move out?

The special officer did not have "Secret Owls" ??? !!!!!
And how would he work with you - in the event of an emergency with your participation? "I will tell you nothing, Comrade Captain / Major - you have no admission !!!!" ??????
Chet is hard to believe to be honest ...

Man, you just don't know. There is no admission just Sov. Secret, there is admission of a certain level on a certain topic, so to speak. That is, you have the 1st admission (of particular importance, it seems, was called) for the ZAS equipment, but in order to gain access to work with reconnaissance equipment, it will not work - there is its own admission, although the 2nd (owl . secret), but it must be obtained separately. Is it clear now? The special officer did not have it, tk. the equipment was new and few in number among the troops.

[your1970]

That is, you want to say what especially you could have sent - referring to the lack of clearance? And how was he supposed to carry out his counterintelligence activities? Maybe you drive secrets to the Bundeswehr around the clock?

[tolancop]

It was difficult to "send" a special officer. But it was quite possible to refuse to answer some specific questions. For example, the specialist does not need to know the parameters and features of the functioning of the equipment. However, an adequate special officer will not ask such questions. His task is somewhat different: not to find out what you know, but to make sure that others do not know about it.

[Doliva63]

Quote: your1970

That is, you want to say what especially you could have sent - referring to the lack of clearance? And how was he supposed to carry out his counterintelligence activities? Maybe you drive secrets to the Bundeswehr around the clock?

We didn't send him anywhere, he worked as before, but the "office" had to be moved, that's all. We were friends with him. But what if there were certain rules?

[Alexander Kopychev]

That is, you have the 1st admission (of particular importance, it seems, was called) for the ZAS equipment

So I sent my platoon-flyer through the forest ... He is in command of the communications platoon, but there is no access to the ZAS. Complete nonsense ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

He is in command of the communications platoon, but there is no access to the ZAS. Complete nonsense ...

This is a common practice for units on duty with a shift composition, and where the platoons are mixed. Not only the platoon commander, but also the commander of the communications company did not have the right to enter the ZAS post, because they were not on the list of admitted.

[YOUR.]

That's how.
Did not have.
In our unit at the headquarters under that regime, there was also a "room" where three people had access: the unit commander, his deputy in the same room and the company commander, whose product was studied in that room :)

[your1970]

Yeah ... I haven't seen new and rare technology ...
our special officer fully participated in all issues of the Mi-24 and Mi-8,
on the term, everything was older there. In the ZRP there was even a Studebaker with an anti-aircraft quadruple - on the DH ...
Therefore, I was surprised ...

[tolancop]

For some things, an appropriate form of admission is a necessary but not sufficient condition. Including about the special officer who moved out, I can quite believe.

[Phil77]

Good evening!
Have you been there?

[YOUR.]

Is this a radio technical post on Mount Brocken?

[Phil77]

Radio technical, but .... on Mount Schneekopf. Are you from the 82nd brigade?

[Phil77]

I will add a photo of what the position looked like before leaving Germany.

[ccsr]

Quote: Phil77

I will add a photo of what the position looked like before leaving Germany.

In my opinion, there was another tower next to the domes, but perhaps I forgot something. Maybe it was demolished? And the Stasi towers were not on our territory, but nearby. But with me they already belonged to the Bundeswehr, so they could not be with us.

[Phil77]

The German tower stood right in the middle of the "point." There was no other tower there. At least relative to 1982.

[ccsr]

Quote: Phil77

The Germans' tower stood just in the middle of the "point." There was no other tower there.

When I was there there could be no talk of any Germans, so rather we just used it for our own purposes. But a lot was forgotten, I just had to visit many places, and Brocken, for example, I saw from the battalion, but did not climb to the top, because there was enough work below.

[Phil77]

82 years. Cars with Germans constantly came to this tower. Sometimes a minibus, sometimes our "UAZ". Yes, and the officers said that the tower belongs to the Stasi.

[ccsr]

Quote: Phil77

Yes, and the officers said that the tower belongs to the Stasi.

Most likely it was, but after 1989 the GDR was gone, and they gave us a lot of theirs and returned them at that time .. That's why when I was there, no one remembered the Germans.

[YOUR.]

No, out of 792 SPN.
Although, on the top of Mount Brocken, there were clear skies for two weeks a year :)
I often looked at her from the side.

[ccsr]

Quote: Phil77

Have you been there?

Yes, thirty years ago I went there several times. But then, in my opinion, our buildings, except for the towers, stood differently. Well, on the contrary, NATO towers were visible, if my memory serves me right.

[Phil77]

That's right. This is almost the current photo, the Stasi tower remains from the former buildings. Our barracks, garage, headquarters, radio center have been demolished.

[Phil77]

Yes! June 9 at VO passed imperceptibly, but all those involved with the last holiday! Good luck to everyone!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Phil77

Yes! June 9 at VO passed imperceptibly, but all those involved with the last holiday! Good luck to everyone!

Well, for some, unnoticed, but decent people duly noted

[Phil77]

Eh, there was no one to remind!

[Revolver]

Quote: Doliva63

As a consolation for the NNA, I will add - do you remember when a company of rangers of the 75th US regiment was stationed in West Berlin? This is how we "made" them too

From now on, please, in details - when, how, under what circumstances.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Doliva63

As a consolation for the NNA, I will add - do you remember when a company of rangers of the 75th US regiment was stationed in West Berlin? This is how we "made" them too

From now on, please, in details - when, how, under what circumstances.

Well, nothing interesting, in general. The meeting was organized by the chief of intelligence of the British Rhine Army, General Rogers, it seems. There are photos, but the names are not signed, so as I remember. We met at the Jupiter test site. First, they competed in theory - well, there was topography, orienteering, etc. Then, like our standard 10 - advance to the area of ​​reconnaissance, search, transmission of information via communications. They screwed up in everything. Then they accused us that our company was staffed with RVDKU cadets. They didn't even come to a booze later I remember that my Ukrainian sergeant was all amazed - why are they so stupid ?! ... In short. I'm not judging the entire US Army by this company, but it's funny, isn't it? Especially about the cadets of the RVDKKU

[Revolver]

Quote: Doliva63

funny, isn't it?

It's really funny. And what is even more amusing is that the standards for admission to this part were lowered during the Obama era, so that these standards would not be so discriminatory against minorities and women. What can you do, political correctness.

[Doliva63]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Doliva63

funny, isn't it?

It's really funny. And what is even more amusing is that the standards for admission to this part were lowered during the Obama era, so that these standards would not be so discriminatory against minorities and women. What can you do, political correctness.

During the Obama era, I will not say anything, it was, like, even under Reagan.

[Revolver]

Quote: Doliva63

During the Obama era, I will not say anything, it was, like, even under Reagan.

If, under Reagan, the 75th Rangers have done a good job, then I'm guessing what they are after Obama. And on THIS I pay taxes!

[Doliva63]

Quote: Nagan

Quote: Doliva63

During the Obama era, I will not say anything, it was, like, even under Reagan.

If, under Reagan, the 75th Rangers have done a good job, then I'm guessing what they are after Obama. And on THIS I pay taxes!

Aha

[YOUR.]

He served in the GSVG.
VERY closely communicated with the NNA, border guards and their analogue of our explosives.
There is nothing to learn from them.
Even their pedantry and discipline are very peculiar.
Flight of thought and fantasy - ZERO.
Strict guidance of Charters and Governing Documents.
If the situation does not go according to plan, the warriors simply fall into a stupor.
But if everything goes according to plan and in strict accordance, there is no equal to them.
They even have service dogs trained and act the same way!
Conclusions made by me and my colleagues based on dozens of specific examples.
Well, they don't like winter with snow and low temperatures.
Even his own.
The hike is already at the genetic level :)

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

He served in the GSVG.
VERY closely communicated with the NNA, border guards and their analogue of our explosives.

I wonder at what level to understand how much you learned all this.

Quote: V.A. Sh.

There is nothing to learn from them.

There is something - for example, how they solved the problem with the same professional servicemen who served for many years and received all the privileges and benefits while in the service, and did not hang around on the doorstep of military enlistment offices, after retirement, for years without receiving what they were supposed to ...

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Flight of thought and fantasy - ZERO.

You'd better remember about their diligence. Then one might wonder why the number of injuries and tragic accidents in the NPA was much less than ours as a percentage of the entire personnel.

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Strict guidance of Charters and Governing Documents.

Isn't that bad and worth learning?

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Conclusions made by me and my colleagues based on dozens of specific examples.

How many years did you communicate with them yourself?

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Well, they don't like winter with snow and low temperatures.

Yes, and we do not particularly like winter, especially motorists. But you forgot to point out that high humidity and frosts are quite an unpleasant thing, although Germans have lived in the foothills of Thuringia for centuries, and do not really take a steam bath. As for winter, it is true that slushy winter and ice is a bad thing, but it is short-lived there, at most 2-3 weeks in the Eastern lands.

[YOUR.]

10 years in the GSVG.
Of these, 5 years of service, 1983-88.
The last position in the GSVG was the commander of military unit No. 51953.
Is your interest satisfied?

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

The last position in the GSVG was the commander of military unit No. 51953.

I probably didn't find you anymore, because I came to the group only in 1988, but I ran into some officers of your company in Wünsdorf, where they came to solve problems in terms of the equipment of the CDS.

[YOUR.]

They came dressed. We closed one level below. Although, before the conclusion ...

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

They came dressed. We closed one level below. Although, before the conclusion

I myself went to the Stendhal and Dresden companies more than once, then we held training camps in Neutimen several times, where your officers were involved. Yes, and you had to call your officer to Wunsdorf, you know what - then there was a new technique, and they often had the documents for writing off the old one wrongly executed. So I had to deal with them so that Moscow would not turn back, because there were problems and you know why. It was broken, then it was not sent for overhaul, then it was complete old, and all this accumulated for years, and it was necessary to urgently solve all this, especially with the wheels. Yes, there was a time, and it began even before the withdrawal ...

[Phil77]

Oh! And I found the sign of your unit on the forum of the phalerists.

[ccsr]

Quote: Phil77

Oh! And I found the sign of your unit on the forum of the phalerists.

The special forces never considered themselves part of the Airborne Forces, and if someone came to the unit "from above" and said "Hello, comrades scouts", then everyone understood the person understands all the nuances of their service. Well, if someone on the line greeted them "Hello, comrades paratroopers", then they looked at him as an illiterate person who did not know all the intricacies of military service.
So this homemade badge was made by someone with little knowledge of military intelligence, which of course reduces its value ..

[YOUR.]

Well Duc we developed it and ordered it from German comrades.
Born from the badge "Instructor-parachutist" and a medal for some service :)
Well, for secrecy, they wrote about the Airborne Forces :)
Because the first year they wore the uniform of signalmen and were listed as the 3rd company of the OSNAZ battalion :)
True, with the first batch, the "Hans" got it right - the letters were changed in places :)
Then they reworked it for free.

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Of these, 5 years of service, 1983-88.

Purely out of sports interest - do the names of Gryaznov and Balakhonov tell you something?

[YOUR.]

Yes, not what he says. Screams hysterically. Because of the first and his relatives, my company ceased to be excellent.

[Phil77]

Probably an entertaining story came out? Could you tell?

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Because of the first and his relatives, my company ceased to be excellent.

I will clarify - did his son replace you or something else? I remember he was in command of one of the companies, but I did not run into him, and Gryaznov himself was replaced in my opinion in 1989, and another head of the department came.

[YOUR.]

Not so little.
The GSVG was supposed to have only one excellent special forces company.
Guess three times who was its commander?
Right.
Not me anymore :)

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

The GSVG was supposed to have only one excellent special forces company.

Honestly, I never did this, and did not delve into these details, because I had enough of my own business. But I don't believe that the head of the group's reconnaissance could have given such an installation, although the brigade itself always received only "good" while I was there was.

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Yes, not what he says.

Something came to mind about those years and flooded ... I’ll ask a question - did you have 357 to 157, very ancient, like the old Bumblebees? Or have I confused your company with another?

[YOUR.]

They were. From Kirovograd, if memory serves.

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

They were. From Kirovograd, if memory serves.

I remembered this because I helped your boyfriend to quickly write off all this and get from the "jackets" their newer "Emov" on 131 in excellent condition, with practically no run, and then to replace the entire old correspondent fleet with "kashki". In a word, when I first met him on a check and he told me about his sadness, I felt sincerely sorry for him. I had to intervene, and I will say that everything worked out - and they quickly wrote off the old in Moscow, and immediately received a relatively new one. In general, he was very happy, because he could no longer work properly on the old, and he was probably also chased for this. He probably did not believe that everything would be resolved so quickly. But this story happened already when you were not in the GSVG, and I remember it as one of the episodes of the first years of service in the group.

[YOUR.]

At the end of 1983, we received two "Mormons" ZIL-157 radio station R-357, if memory serves, both are on their last legs. One still went and the equipment worked every other time, the second - scrap metal. The "kids" had P-350s. There were no batteries. On the first exercises in January 1984, we went almost with automobiles. After a year or two, everything worked out.

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

At the end of 1983, we received two "Mormons" ZIL-157 radio station R-357,

So it happened with your company, although a lot of time had passed, but somehow I remembered - you had a difficult situation, it was evident from the documents.

[Doliva63]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

10 years in the GSVG.
Of these, 5 years of service, 1983-88.
The last position in the GSVG was the commander of military unit No. 51953.
Is your interest satisfied?

And another 5 years?

[YOUR.]

A kid with his parents at his father's place of service in the Berlin suburb of Karlshorst. In the museum of the signing of the surrender, I climbed at least once a week using Soviet technology :)

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

A kid with his parents at his father's place of service in the Berlin suburb of Karlshorst.

Did your father go to work in a jacket?

[YOUR.]

Well, yes.
And they lived in the same house with the Germans :)

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Well, yes.
And they lived in the same house with the Germans:

I know then where he could go, because he had been there more than once, unlike your mouths. Do you have succession or was he in another office?

[YOUR.]

Well, if not for him, then after watching the movie "In the Zone of Special Attention" I after graduating from the RVVDKU them. LK would receive a diploma of an engineer for the operation of wheeled and tracked vehicles, and so he became a referent-translator :)
Although, I finished my service in the same RVVDKU, where I work to the present after retirement.

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

Although, I finished my service in the same RVVDKU, where I work to the present after retirement.

The most interesting thing is that the report, signed by you with a seal, and sent to the headquarters of the group according to the time sheet of urgent reports, was kept in my suitcase for a year (with the rest from our structures), until a new one arrived according to the terms of submission. The first copy went to the General Staff after approval by the head of the RU, so that the GRU knew everything about your company, and on occasion could immediately determine its combat readiness by its staffing of people, weapons and equipment. You probably did not know then where such documents went, although you should have guessed by the number of the form that this is not an army-level document, and not even a group headquarters.
Here are some interesting twists and turns in our business, and it turns out in 1988 we somehow crossed at the document level.
PS If you look through my posts, you will find there a photo where people you know are standing on the parade ground in Neutimen. By the way, from the special forces of the GSVG in Ryazan, he headed the military department at the radio engineering university, as far as I know, Colonel M. Rokhlin, he served in the brigade at about the same time as you, I knew him well.

[YOUR.]

I talked to Misha just yesterday by phone.
We went to school together.

[ccsr]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

I talked to Misha just yesterday by phone.
We went to school together.

And I recognized him when he was early. communications in the intelligence company with the rank of Art. lieutenant, an intelligent officer was already at that time. We correspond with him in classmates, we have many common acquaintances from Neutimen.

[Doliva63]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

A kid with his parents at his father's place of service in the Berlin suburb of Karlshorst. In the museum of the signing of the surrender, I climbed at least once a week using Soviet technology :)

Well, a typical almost story I even brought a blue tie to the Union later. And then he served in the 20th and 8th Guards

[YOUR.]

No, I was presented with red in Treptower Park, which I am still proud of.

[Doliva63]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

No, I was presented with red in Treptower Park, which I am still proud of.

Well, I became a pioneer already in the Soviet Union. And before that, he wore blue. The school administration looked askance, but most of the officers passed the GSVG, so public opinion did not condemn me

[YOUR.]

We easily figured out your 8th from the sound of tank engines with a whistle. Well, along the columns of tankers twice the length of the tanks exceeding the column :)

[Doliva63]

Quote: V.A. Sh.

We easily figured out your 8th from the sound of tank engines with a whistle. Well, along the columns of tankers twice the length of the tanks exceeding the column :)

If sclerosis does not lie, the T-80U were quite decent machines. Even though I am a tanker by education, after graduation I ended up in the RDR, I saw tanks only in exercises.

[YOUR.]

They rustled like turntables. Especially at startup :)

[Doliva63]

Well, any tank makes a noise when you start). And on the march it is quite quiet compared to the T-72, for example. Only the sound is peculiar, of course.

[Alf]

Quote: tihonmarine

And the army in the GDR was worthy of respect.

Not only respect. In the armed forces of the Internal Affairs Directorate, it was the most loyal, reliable and efficient army.

[lis-ik]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Finches

Germany fell under the Anglo-Saxons, and the GDR remained a distinctive German country.

And the army in the GDR was worthy of respect.

Best in the Warsaw Pact.

[poquello]

Quote: Finches

Germany fell under the Anglo-Saxons, and the GDR remained a distinctive German country. Chile, after Pinochet, is a separate topic altogether, but traditions, if any, are better than their absence!

Pinochet has nothing to do with it, the Germans put the army to them even before WWII

[poquello]

Quote: Popandos

Tradition, what's wrong with that?

one-sided video, a piece with ceremonial infantrymen was taken, otherwise the article would not have worked.

but there they walk and jump

and in general all sorts of different

[alex neym_2]

The Ukrainian Armed Forces were going to dress up as zhupans, a tribute to the Jewish pogromist Petliura ...

[lis-ik]

Quote: Popandos

Tradition, what's wrong with that?

Generally excellent. A wonderful sight.

[hrych]

The best representative of Prussian traditions is the Kremlin Regiment.

[Albert1988]

Quote: hrych

The best representative of Prussian traditions is the Kremlin Regiment.

In general, our entire army! Look at how our people are marching in parades - a lot of "Prussian traditions", but the author of this opus is somehow incomprehensible

[Alexander Kopychev]

In general, our entire army! Look at how our parades are marching - a lot of "Prussian traditions"

Drill training was not born out of nowhere, and not exclusively for parades ... In my opinion, this is the first step towards creating a single cohesive military "organism". The Army does not need a company of individuals, even with high moral principles ... A reliable "Kalashnikov assault rifle" is needed. And the beginning of everything - drill !!!

[Albert1988]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

Drill training was not born out of nowhere, and not exclusively for parades ... In my opinion, this is the first step towards creating a single cohesive military "organism". The Army does not need a company of individuals, even with high moral principles ... A reliable "Kalashnikov assault rifle" is needed. And the beginning of everything - drill !!!

Your truth - drill training very well fosters a sense of unity in soldiers.

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Quote: Albert1988

Your truth - drill training very well fosters a sense of unity in soldiers.

Well yes, here such a game of toy soldiers such education of unity



greatly increases coherence and stamina in battle.
And this:



It helps to master weapons and to raise shooting training to an unattainable height.

[Albert1988]

The first develops peripheral vision and a sense of elbow, and the second helps to develop coordination of movements during this very handling of the weapon. By the way, in the second paragraph, the Americans are just ahead of the rest of the planet ...
But this is lyrics, because the main question is one - quote where I said that these are the only aspects of training fighters?

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Quote: Albert1988

The first develops peripheral vision and a sense of elbow,

In the era of Suvorov's campaigns and bayonet strikes in close formation.
And now, without this shagistika, the left eye squints at a neighbor, who is in the battle line at a distance of 3-5 meters, and his right elbow twitches in search of a comrade's side, as a result of which the fire is fired into a white light like a pretty penny.

Quote: Albert1988

and the second helps to develop coordination of movements during this very handling of the weapon.

Yes, especially when storming buildings or in the defense of a strong point under fire.
Straight without it, well, not how. The machine gun falls out of his hands. The right hand pulls the bolt, and the left at this very moment attaches the magazine. The soldier himself cannot develop any coordination of movements without such exercises, and an officer like you cannot train him without such exercises.

Quote: Albert1988

because the main question is one - quote where I said that these are the only aspects of training fighters?

By all means, as soon as you cite a document to me, which says that a soldier has been recruited for 25 years and he has time to engage in all sorts of idiocy, for the sake of stupid commanders, more than enough. If he learns to juggle with an automatic carbine, plus grenades, five or six, then you can start training him ...
choral singing. It also fosters unity very much.
Well, and there, you see, someday it will come to other aspects of training a fighter ...
May be.....
If he doesn't die before.

[Albert1988]

That is, the same American Marines who masterfully juggle carbines learn this to the detriment of military training, because it takes them, I suppose, 99,9% of the time ...
Well, then maybe you shouldn't be so afraid of these Yankees?

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Quote: Albert1988

..... and the second helps to develop coordination of movements in this very handling of weapons. By the way, in the second paragraph Americans well, just ahead of the rest ...

Quote: Albert1988

That is, the same american marines, ....

Quote: Albert1988

masterfully juggle carbines learn this to the detriment of military training, because it takes them, I think, 99,9% of the time ...

"My young" friend. I will tell you a terrible secret. In the United States there is a constitution in which there is a 2nd amendment, which in translation reads - "Since a well-organized militia is necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be violated. "
Which means that a US citizen is usually familiar with weapons, often from childhood. The vast majority of US citizens know how to use weapons for their intended purpose even before serving in the Armed Forces.
So let the US Marines juggle at least aircraft carriers.

Quote: Albert1988

Well, then maybe you shouldn't be so afraid of these Yankees?

And now you will quote where I wrote that the Yankees "should be so afraid"

[Igoresha]

the Israelis abandoned shagistics like

[Normal]

It has already been written about

Quote: Normal

There is no drill and nothing in Tsakhal, it works flawlessly.

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Quote: Alexander Kopychev

And the beginning of everything - drill !!!

Spitzruten have been forgotten.
Mushtra was needed in the XNUMXth-XNUMXth centuries, when the battle was fought in a tight formation.
Nowadays drill is the curse of the army.
Instead of tactical training, instead of training actions in the mountains and settlements, instead of practicing the actions of security groups on the march, instead of studying ambush tactics and studying the terrain, instead of studying the device of strong points, instead of studying equipment and weapons in our Airborne Forces in 1983-1985 for hours a Prussian step was worked out under the drum.

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

We need a reliable "Kalashnikov assault rifle".

There is no drill and nothing in Tsakhal, it works flawlessly.

[Alexander Kopychev]

Nowadays drill is the curse of the army.

Vladimir! do not find fault with the word, I was too lazy to write drill... It is a pity that your fathers commanders were overly carried away basic military training... I completely agree with you that this is overkill !!! Probably you got to serve in some "exemplary" HF.

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Quote: Alexander Kopychev

Probably you got to serve in some "exemplary" HF.

The 104th "Kirovabad" Airborne Division did not fit the definition of "exemplary"
According to the soldier's definitions of "parade" or "court" in the Airborne Forces, the 106th "Pskov" Airborne Forces was considered
And I happened to serve in the division with the nickname "Wild"
Well, also, when one of the regiments was in Afghanistan and our daddy fathers-commanders decided to carry out drill training there, as in the Union, the regiment immediately received the nickname "Kirovabad schizos."
The subunits are not strong in drill, but in tactical training, hence coherence and perseverance.

[Alexander Kopychev]

Well what can you say? The fish rots from the head ... I'm not close to the Airborne Forces. Only after shagistiki they hammered Morse code into my head with a sledgehammer in a training course ... It was not useful later in the GSVG troops, but to this day I remember a lot, but I was already 60 soon ... So they taught well !!! And the excesses, they are excesses, unfortunately ...

[Normal]

Quote: Normal

106th "Pskov" Airborne Division

Of course, the "court" and "front" of the 106th Airborne Division is not "Pskov" but "Tulskaya"
"Pskovskaya" is the 76th Airborne Division.

[ccsr]

Quote: Normal

Nowadays drill is the curse of the army.

Do not wring your hands, there is no special drill in the army for a long time, but what you see at the parade in Moscow, only a very small part of the armed forces is involved in it, at least one percent of the total number.
Here is a photo of one of the most high-tech units of our Armed Forces passing by a solemn march - where would the drill be at least visible here?

[Normal]

Quote: ccsr

Don't wring your hands

Don't poke your intellect in my face. And I will break YOUR hands on occasion. If you carefully read the controversy, you could notice and understand what was being discussed.
But wherever there is - an army intellectual will find something to attach to, even then, there is nothing to attach to the code.

[ccsr]

Quote: Normal

And I will break YOUR hands on occasion.

Amuse your vanity, since they could not come up with anything clever, giving out arrogant stupidity:

Nowadays drill is the curse of the army.

Where did you see her, I would like to know, or is the only way the Russian army is represented in your IDF?

[Normal]

Quote: ccsr

Amuse your self-esteem,

But where can I, to you, highly intellectual, as well as to your demential-genius insight:

Quote: ccsr

insight always comes with age ...... drill "was needed to educate the team,

.............................................

Quote: ccsr

giving out arrogant stupidity:

Cretinism, sometimes, dresses up in a toga of mentoring (he is more comfortable in it),
but from this he does not cease to be cretinism.

Quote: ccsr

Where did you see her, I would like to know

You have already asked a similar question to your colleague under the nickname V.A.Sh. and were washed with it.
You are having trouble reading printed text.
The Chukchi, as you know, is not a reader, a Chukchi writer.
Well, I'm not proud, I can repeat it for the gifted

Quote: Normal

Instead of tactical training, instead of training actions in the mountains and settlements, instead of practicing the actions of security groups on the march, instead of studying ambush tactics and studying the terrain, instead of studying the device of strong points, instead of studying equipment and weapons with us in 1983-1985, in the Airborne Forces for hours a Prussian step was worked out under the drum.

specifically in military unit 21185.
Do you consider yourself an expert in this topic?
Well ... Present your arguments in the form of personal experience.
A video with a ceremonial march of officers of one of the most high-tech units of the Armed Forces against my experience as a private
in the RAP and participation in the consolidated PKK does not roll.
And Tsakhal is the same mine as yours. But I, despite the fact that I am a paratrooper, have not lost, unlike you, a techie and supposedly an intellectual, the ability to think sensibly, evaluate my own and others' experience and draw sober conclusions based on this assessment.

[ccsr]

Quote: Normal

A video with a ceremonial march of officers of one of the most high-tech units of the Armed Forces against my experience as a private

Your experience is not interesting to me, if only because I, for example, personally knew V.V. Kvachkov and came to check on his brigade when he was chief of staff there. We have a different social circle and different experience, which is why you still have experience in painting grass, I have experience in systematic thinking.

Quote: Normal

And Tsakhal is the same mine as yours.

And I really thought that you live there, since you set him as an example with drill. Well, at least I was mistaken in this when assessing your knowledge.

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Quote: ccsr

Your experience is not interesting to me,

What characterizes you not from the best side. Arrogance, snobbery and arrogance have never contributed to success in DB

Quote: ccsr

personally knew V.V. Kvachkov

And I personally knew Mishustin. What does this change or prove? Absolutely nothing. What does acquaintance with a commando have to do with the topic of drill drill? You, with your experience, have not lost the boundaries of reason without boundlessly systematic thinking? In addition, Kvachkov, as a specialist, turned out to be a loser and flunked the main operation of his life.

Quote: ccsr

you still have experience in painting grass

You stung my heart. I sob and go to hang myself out of resentment ...
Break off, highbrowed ignoramus. Among other things (Parachute landing, foot Suvorov marches for 76 km and long night marches on BMD-1, mountain exits and mountaineering training, shooting in any conditions and at any time of the day, ROPO device, guard service, and so on and so forth, and other trifle unrelated to the topic of conversation) I have

experience ... of participating in the consolidated PKK

(which is not possessed by every soldier who beautiful grass according to the wishes of "systemically thinking" intellectuals) therefore I have every right to the opinion about the drill, but you, despite the experience of supposedly systematic thinking (which is not confirmed by your statements in a topic in which you do not understand ANYTHING)
- NOT!
So, in order not to look stupid like a pompous turkey, save your knowledge and eloquence for those in which you are special.

[ccsr]

Quote: Normal

What does the acquaintance with the commandos have to do with the topic of drill drill?

I also took drill training from them, in addition to everything - so I had a direct relationship.

Quote: Normal

therefore, I have every right to an opinion on the drill,

Keep on your health, no one forbids you to do this. Only you, with your experience, are generally not of interest for a future war, as well as all the Airborne Forces, because all this is yesterday, and even Grachev realized this.

Quote: Normal

save your knowledge and eloquence for those in which you are special.

I do not insist that you read my texts - just do not pay attention to them, so as not to look illiterate in polemics on military topics.

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Quote: ccsr

I also took marching training from them

Quote: ccsr

so as not to look illiterate in polemics on military topics.

"Specialist" in military topics takes drill!
Congratulations! Be proud!
You have reached unprecedented professional heights in the military field.
"Rrr-yaz, rrr-yaz! Rrrz-two-three! Leg! Pull the leg, bitch children! I will teach you to win science!"

I acknowledge your highest authority in the drill.
Further, it makes no sense for me, a simple paratrooper, to communicate with such a "military specialist".

Quote: ccsr

I do not insist that you read my texts - just ignore them,

And I did not pay attention to your posts in the topic above my attention.
It was you who reacted to my comment with your praise of the drill, so calm down yourself.
I ask you not to comment on my posts anymore.
I will not answer and I will not even read.
Combat oaks with a badge of higher education on my jacket were enough for me even in the army.
Farewell.

[ccsr]

Quote: Normal

"Specialist" in military topics takes drill!
Congratulations! Be proud!

You think exactly at the level of a conscript, since you do not know that all members of the commission can take not only drill, but also shooting, physical training and special training in terms of their profile.

Quote: Normal

Further, it makes no sense for me, a simple paratrooper, to communicate with such a "military specialist".

What can I talk to you about if you still have wild ideas about the army, and you also flaunt them, as if everything was spinning around you.

Quote: Normal

I ask you not to comment on my posts anymore.
I will not answer and I will not even read.

Well, that's nice. Just do not teach professionals how they should relate to different military disciplines, including drill. And you will be happy.

[Lynx2000]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

Drill training was not born out of nowhere, and not exclusively for parades ... In my opinion, this is the first step towards creating a single cohesive military "organism". The Army does not need a company of individuals, even with high moral principles ... A reliable "Kalashnikov assault rifle" is needed. And the beginning of everything - drill !!!

In the late 17th and early 19th centuries, undoubtedly, such drill was necessary. But since the 20th century, such preparation has been for parades, or for the execution of commands of formation in marching columns and the movement of units.
A simple example is the recollections of war veterans of the Great Patriotic War, who went through the battle path, chosen to participate in the 1945 Victory Parade, they were taught the drill step as part of "boxes".

[Alexander Kopychev]

But since the 20th century, such training has been for parades, or for the execution of commands of formation in marching columns and the movement of units.

I didn't use the word "drill" for nothing. In uchebka as they took into circulation from the first day !!! It all seemed wildly and offensive, then I got used to it. And after many years I realized that each of us immediately began to crush the personality ... And rightly so! This is how a company of soldier ants is created, automatically and flawlessly performing a combat mission. Each in its place. Well, a commander cannot lead a unit into battle through a general meeting with a vote ... And in everyday army everyday life, the formation is easily controlled, but not the crowd.

[ccsr]

Quote: Alexander Kopychev

And rightly so!

As a rule, insight always comes with age, which is why those who have lived their lives understand that "drill" was needed to educate the team, and not because the officers simply wanted to do it because they had nothing to do. In battle, a doubting individual is not needed, but a fighter is needed who unquestioningly fulfills the orders of the commanders, otherwise it will not be a unit, but some kind of almshouse.

[Konnick]

In battle, a doubting individual is not needed, but a fighter is needed who unquestioningly fulfills the orders of the commanders, otherwise it will not be a unit, but some kind of almshouse.

It was already out of date in the first world. Now we need fighters who are initiative, thinking, capable of making the right decisions, and in addition to the command of the commander, it is high time to stop fighting "tin soldiers". Otherwise, without a commander, it's just a crowd of armed people.

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Quote: ccsr

In battle, you do not need a doubting individual, but you need a fighter who unquestioningly fulfills the orders of the commanders,

Bravo!
The thinking of the "intellectual" turns out to be at the level of a soldier's humor: "the more" oaks "there are in the army, the stronger our defense!" Only the soldiers have it just humor, and the military "intellectual" in all seriousness.
And if we consider that a commander for a private is not always and not only an officer, but also a sergeant and even an old-time servant, then the insight comes that hazing was needed to educate the team, otherwise it’s some kind of poorhouse.

Quote: ccsr

e because the officers simply had nothing to do, they wanted to do it

Yes, precisely because the officers HAVE SOMETHING did NOT want to do this, the soldier painted the grass, removed the dandelions so as not to disturb the emerald uniformity of the lawn, rubbed the trees around the parade ground to sweep up the fallen leaves, and gave a cubic shape to the snow dumps. All this in order to prevent the unit from becoming an almshouse. Such army "intellectuals" did not know any other ways of educating the collective, since see the soldier's humor above.

[ccsr]

Quote: Normal

and gave a cubic shape to snow dumps. All this in order to prevent the unit from becoming an almshouse.

Don't talk nonsense, "expert in military service", because if we cleaned the snow on the roads, it was not because someone liked it, but only so that in the event of a fire, cars could drive up to an object that could have only one entrance underground, and unfold the sleeves. Or, such equipment was located in a ground facility, compared with which the cost of a tank or a helicopter was mere pennies. That is why the grass was mowed and removed with leaves, so that God forbid somewhere dry foliage did not flare up, and did not lead to the loss of the object or human casualties. We did not paint the grass - it could only be in such units, where they do not know what combat duty is, and they do not know how soldiers cannot even get into the barracks for several days.

[Thunderbolt]

[media = https: //youtu.be/fJsb6movvig] Would watch and blow away, honor, strength and pride march in a single rush

Quote: Albert1988

Look at how our parades march

[media = https: //youtu.be/fJsb6movvig]

[Thrifty]

Yeah, only the Germans had Hitler, and in Santiago Augusto Pinochet, a pitiful imitation of Hitler, but also a dictator who shed a lot of blood. ... also the Prussian form is to blame? ??

[Revolver]

Augusto Pinochet is, no joke, the savior of the nation. Chile is now a relatively prosperous country, and generally prosperous by the standards of Latin America. And if it were not for Pinochet, there would have been like in Venezuela, no medicine, no medicine, not even food. In a country with oil reserves at the level of the Arab oil monarchies, there is no gasoline, and if there is, then at exorbitant prices. Paper money with a bunch of zeros is only suitable for gluing on walls, especially since you can't buy wallpaper. Electricity is regularly turned off - and this is in a tropical country where you can die without an air conditioner. This is what Chile was waiting for, if the socialists and communists stayed in power.

[decimalegio]

it is impossible to achieve the same result without torture, murder and abduction ??

[Prisoner]

Who doesn't like the GDR army ?! The FRG Bundeswehr compared to them Sunday school girls with bows on top of their heads.

[Alf]

Quote: Captive

Who doesn't like the GDR army ?! The FRG Bundeswehr compared to them Sunday school girls with bows on top of their heads.

As one person said, the Banners were changed, the spirit remained.

[Alf]

More about the NNA GDR.

[Magog_]

It seems to be like training an honor guard company. Why is everyone wearing helmets? Even musicians. Caps, distinguishable from the Wehrmacht, did not come up with?

[Alf]

Quote: Magog_

It seems to be like training an honor guard company.

It is.

Quote: Magog_

Why is everyone wearing helmets?

Did the privates in the Wehrmacht wear caps?

[Magog_]

Privates in caps or caps, but all sorts of "ober" - officers - in caps. Here in the frame there is only one officer in a cap, although there will be a couple more besides him.

[ccsr]

Quote: Magog_

Even musicians. Caps, distinguishable from the Wehrmacht, did not come up with?

This is not the point, but the fact that the helmet is an element of the dress uniform. Even during the exercises, not all of us were in helmets, especially the support units. But they have everything in helmets and this is in the order of things, so for them it is an element of combat training and nothing more.

[Reserve buildbat]

They are marching with SCS, as I understand it? In the first video.

[Alf]

Quote: stock buildbat

They are marching with SCS, as I understand it? In the first video.

Ja, ja, naturlich ..

[Andobor]

Yes, the Germans have a slave nature on the mental level,
- several generations in the occupation, repentance has grown.

[ultra]

In the GDR, we did not cultivate a sense of guilt among the citizens for the crimes of the Nazis.

[Doliva63]

The GDR did not have this. They just soberly assessed what had happened. With our help, of course.

[ccsr]

Quote: Andobor

Yes, the Germans have a slave nature on the mental level,

I can say that East Germans are the closest people to us in all of Europe, and these are not just words, but the assessments of people professionally engaged in special propaganda. I personally think so too, because East Germans had a completely different mentality, which is why they still have a division into Vessey and Ossi. I don't remember that they had a slavish mentality - someone lied to you about it.

[Konnick]

I can say that East Germans are the closest people to us in all of Europe, and these are not just words, but the assessments of people professionally engaged in special propaganda.

And I confirm this. When I studied and lived in a hostel with many foreign students from all over the world and if I was asked "who I would go on exploration with", besides ours, I would say with the Germans, they have a very developed sense of duty and honor compared to the rest nations.

[Babay Atasovich]

I know 5 "Germans" who are leaving Germany and have left for the Russian Federation, tk. "For 30 years I have not been able to settle down in the ancestral home - I am already in the seventh generation RUSSIAN German!"

[ccsr]

According to the author, the cut of the ammunition was created on the model of the old form of the Wehrmacht, which, moreover, retained the field gray color.

The author simply does not know that as trophies we got ammunition for millions of servicemen, which is why, without bothering too much, the NNA of the GDR used the same cloth that was in the Wehrmacht, and the shoulder straps and buttonholes were not greatly modified. Wehrmacht helmets were handed over to the firefighters of the GDR and they wore them until unification. The usual pragmatic approach, especially since at first even our PPShs used the NNA, up to the sixties, and only then switched to the AK-47.

[ODERVIT]

NNA executive discipline for the assessment of six on a five-point system.
They put their MiG-21 on an emergency, the critical balance sensor failed. You should have seen and heard how a German SD engineer supervised the replacement and verification. By the way, almost all engineers studied at our universities. Short commands, similar to woof-woof and mechanics, have already thrown off the sensor of the supply tank.
But if, before replacing the sensor, it was necessary to perform additional dismantling and installation work, they would have done it. And ours would have found an easier way. They squeezed us, squeezed out there, they came up with a crooked key. In short, we did the same job faster and with no less quality.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ODERVIT

NNA executive discipline for the assessment of six on a five-point system.
They put their MiG-21 on an emergency, the critical balance sensor failed. You should have seen and heard how a German SD engineer supervised the replacement and verification. By the way, almost all engineers studied at our universities. Short commands, similar to woof-woof and mechanics, have already thrown off the sensor of the supply tank.
But if, before replacing the sensor, it was necessary to perform additional dismantling and installation work, they would have done it. And ours would have found an easier way. They squeezed us, squeezed out there, they came up with a crooked key. In short, we did the same job faster and with no less quality.

No, do not compare. Example: GSVG, 20 GvOA, exercise. Reconnaissance group in search, night, halt. Montana, I want to smoke! But, commander, no one has it, it's over! But you must, Montana! Got it ... In 20 minutes he comes back, holds out several half-empty packs of cigarettes and a sheet of paper - and here, he says, is the location of the ambushes along the route. We smoked, looked, walked around and went on. This is the performing discipline that was only in the SA.

[ODERVIT]

I agree. I am improving, the straightforwardness of the discipline will be more accurate.

[Doliva63]

Quote: ODERVIT

I agree. I am improving, the straightforwardness of the discipline will be more accurate.

For their straightforwardness. I had a German friend. Once I invited him to dinner at home - vodka, borsch, this, that. He, in turn, invited me. Only, he says, we have no alcohol. His wife sets the table and arranges the bottles of beer. I say - you, like, said that without alcohol? The wife, putting the bottle on the table, is surprised - where do you see alcohol here? Well this is beer!

[Horon]

Found something to boast about. "Prison of Nations" turns out to have left the Germans with originality and traditions, and "democracy" killed the Germans in the Germans. And who, then, is the real prison of nations?

[Doliva63]

Quote: Horon

Found something to boast about. "Prison of Nations" turns out to have left the Germans with originality and traditions, and "democracy" killed the Germans in the Germans. And who, then, is the real prison of nations?

Capitalism is the prison of nations. Maybe it will reach us where they climbed, headless, damn it.

[Normal]

Of all the "Prussian traditions", the article contains only the Prussian step and the Stahlhelm.
True, the GDR was far from a classic stahlhelm, but in Chile there was some kind of parody of the Prussian step.
The Prussian tradition in the form of parades, in my opinion, is much cooler here than in Chile

[Borz]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Finches

Germany fell under the Anglo-Saxons, and the GDR remained a distinctive German country.

And the army in the GDR was worthy of respect.

The most motivated and efficient army of the former Warsaw Pact allies.

[Micfoster]

Chileans can!

[Bashkirkhan]

"We are responsible for those we have tamed." And the communists from the party nomenclature of the USSR betrayed their allies from the GDR.

[ccsr]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

And the communists from the party nomenclature of the USSR betrayed their allies from the GDR.

Yes, it was exactly so. And Honnecker's betrayal generally left an indelible stain on our history, which our descendants will never forgive us. Except for the shame for his surrender, I still do not feel anything, the shame was provided to us by the new government in Russia, and not by the party nomenclature of the USSR - it did not exist in 1992 as well as the CPSU itself.

[flc9800]

With the similarity of external attributes, the Chileans did not come out either in height, face, or bearing) Until the same at least LAH)

[Oleg Aviator]

The lump in the GDR was definitely not Ssov. And so, when communicating with ours who served there, they say the most reliable allies in the police were and the author forgot for the Afghan army. There, too, shtalhelms were arr. 43rd.

[av58]

It's good that at least someone has kept the traditions of army parades. The Chileans, in any case, have an army like an army, not like these American and European sacks.

[Terran ghost]

In the Chileans, in any case, the army is similar to the army, not like these

And how long ago did the Chilean army have its last involvement in any military conflict? And then somehow it seemed to me that the main task of the army as a public institution is not to show "ballet" on the parade ground, but to guard the country's borders, to prepare for possible participation in the defense of the country's territory, and if this very attack occurs , in fact, this very defense and deal with.