Taliban attack: Afghan government forces continue to lose territory

As the US and NATO military contingent withdraws from Afghanistan, the Taliban * (banned in Russia) continues to advance and seize the country's territory. According to Ariana News, government forces have lost control of three more areas.

According to the newspaper, to date, the number of areas lost by government forces has reached 37. Over the past XNUMX hours, the Taliban have seized the Dahanai-Khuri area in Baghlan province, Oba in Herat and Shirin Tagab in Faryab province.

Ariana News, citing sources, writes that two areas were captured by the Taliban after fierce fighting. In the region, both forces of the government army fought fierce battles for four days, being under siege, but without receiving help from Kabul, retreated. The situation is the same in the Dahanai-Khuri region, where the army retreated after the fighting. But in the Sharin Tagab area, government forces surrendered to the Taliban. At least this is reported by the media controlled by the Taliban *.

Over the past week, the Afghan security forces have lost 195 soldiers killed and more than a hundred were injured. In Kabul, they say about three hundred militants killed in battles, but this does not affect the advance of the Taliban, and government forces continue to lose territory.

It is noted that not in all provinces and districts the Taliban meet with resistance, local authorities and tribal elders prefer to negotiate with the militants, rather than fight. Moreover, recently, Kabul has shifted the responsibility for organizing resistance to the local population, providing virtually no assistance.

According to experts, after the final withdrawal of the US and NATO military contingent, Afghanistan will gradually come under the rule of the Taliban. Government forces will not be able to resist without Western support. At the same time, the UN expects a new wave of Afghan refugees, which could overwhelm neighboring countries. It is not long to wait for this, as today the United States has already withdrawn 50% of its military.

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[nnm]

The feeling that we are again being lured into this country, creating a hotbed of extremism close to our borders.

[Hypertension]

Again we will have to save the "brotherly" peoples ...

[Petro_tut]

Russia would have saved itself ...

[hrych]

It is also a hotbed under NATO, and the production of opium has broken records. The Taliban will just cut the Daeshaks. On the other hand, Central Asians will be more dependent on the Russian Federation for security and will be less overwhelmed. And Pakistan also refused the Americans in the deployment of bases and the redeployment of the contingent from Afghanistan. Such a pain. Therefore, someone leaves the region not salty and fatal rupture of the loop of the anaconda. She's dead, that anaconda.

[nnm]

If they do not wrap themselves up with fifth points and simply do not become a transit zone for drug trafficking. Although they are already ...
But at least now the republics are at least trying to resist this ideology and radicalization.

[Hypertension]

Quote: hrych

The Taliban will just cut the Daeshaks.

Cut, and then feed on the holy spirit? In Afghanistan, besides drugs, there is nowhere else income to come from. Some imam of theirs will issue a fatwa that selling drugs to infidels is a godly business, and they will begin to live as before. After all, fanatics are usually the lowest members of the group. And their leaders know that in the modern world, God is money.

[hrych]

Here is the logistics. Ethnic Tajiks and Uzbeks are engaged in deliveries through their related channels, and on NATO ships they often transferred tons of drugs. There is a problem in the production of opium, the population itself is smoking. The Taliban, in their own way, are idealists, which is why they win. For the sake of their population, they fought against the opium plantings, and efficiently and toughly. Also, having violated the logistics, it is difficult to restore it again, and where it is impossible. Afghanistan is full of minerals and instead of opium, useful crops can be grown. Also a transit perspective. It is worth remembering that before the NATO aggression, BP, etc., offered the Taliban to build an oil pipeline from Iran to the PRC, but when the three countries agreed on this pipeline and considered BP to be a blacksmith that was not needed, an invasion happened because of the allegedly defeated twins, although all sorts of Saudis were at the controls, and the Afghans confidently pilot the donkey. They found a reason, although the true one was a pipe. The Russian Federation is also interested in the pipeline to Pakistan and India, only gas. We have already reached an agreement with Pakistan, although there, on the contrary, from the sea, LNG is liquefied by a pipe to the north. Therefore, they are quite negotiable. Therefore, the cross-hair of oil pipes horizontally and gas pipes vertically makes Afghanistan simply unique in terms of transit. It is not for nothing that he is so long-suffering, because of his middle position. A kind of navel of Eurasia.

[Hypertension]

Quote: hrych

Afghanistan is full of minerals and instead of opium, useful crops can be grown. Also a transit perspective.

That's how it is, but I doubt that in the next century there will be a civilization. Few people want to get involved. Many have already been burned and lost people and money in an attempt to pull Afghan out of the Middle Ages.

[hrych]

The high level of technology has not made Saudi Arabia more civilized. As it was the Middle Ages, it has remained, albeit with gadgets. The Taliban will undoubtedly take over the Pashtun areas instantly. They will tinker with the Tajik-Uzbek regions, but of course they will win, if ala the "northern alliance" is not supported by Russia. Therefore, the keys of the world are in the Kremlin. As in Tehran, Islamobad and Beijing, partly in Delhi. If NATO members get out of there, then everything can be solved. These 20 years of NATO occupation actually achieved the tasks set - destabilizing the navel of Eurasia and torpedoed economic projects. They isolated Iran and did not allow the PRC to supply land oil supplies that were independent of the sea, i.e. Atlanticists. No Russia by rail is capable of ensuring oil security for the PRC. The US is now ending up with its Rimland doctrine, successfully failing it. Therefore, of course, they have nothing else to do in Afghanistan. Pipes also take time and the problem of Russia is simply unsolvable, while the problem of the PRC for the United States is approaching its climax, otherwise it will also be unsolvable. Therefore, the forecast is favorable for the Russian Federation, we won the VGV (Great Gas War) and a truce was concluded in Geneva. By 90 percent, I am sure that we will be offered to foist Ukraine in exchange for not supporting the PRC in the World Decoupling. And leaving Afghanistan, rather a precursor to an attack on the PRC.

[Grits]

Quote: hrych

The Taliban will undoubtedly take over the Pashtun areas instantly. They will tinker with the Tajik-Uzbek regions, but of course they will win, if ala the "northern alliance" is not supported by Russia. Therefore, the keys of the world are in the Kremlin. As in Tehran, Islamobad and Beijing, partly in Delhi.

There is another option - the division of this failed state between neighbors.
The boundaries are drawn by themselves based on the ethnic composition of the territory.

[Hypertension]

Quote: hrych

VGV (Great Gas War)

Is this the building of SP-2 or what a great war?
And what for us Ukraine? What should we do with this breeding ground of Russophobia? And it is strange somehow that the Americans charge this very Ukraine against Russia, and then give it as a present? Some kind of crap turns out. And if they do attack China, it will not seem enough to us. After all, wherever you go, everything is done in the PRC. From cowards to computers. And then you will have to babysit with Ukraine. Unfavorable prognosis so and so.

[hrych]

If not laziness, then read Firstly, not Ukraine, but part of it, and just without Russophobic regions. This is called a staged section. There will be no sudden movements here, unlike the Maidans. The Great Gas War is not SP-2 at all. And you must deserve to be called Great. Here is a trifle, albeit related to the general. SP-2, as a bonus and a forced measure for the EU after the Dutch earthquake in 2018 caused by the development of a gas field. The Great War began precisely because of the Qatari-Saudi gas, plus the discoveries of the Leviathan field, which is no match for the discovered offshore fields of Lebanon and Syria (though also oil Jabal Nafti with reserves like Kuwait or half of Saudi Arabia's reserves). Therefore, the promising Saudi-Qatar and Iranian pipes, the giant reserves of the shelf of Israel, Lebanon and Syria and the giant oil field of the Syrian shelf, crossed over Syria. Moreover, the killed Nabucco also resurrected. Here, not only South Stream was killed, but also SP-1, and Ukratranzit, and Yamal-Europe (via Poland). Completely Russian gas was killed for the EU, and the appearance on the oil market of an amount of the level of Kuwait, yes in the Mediterranean, just almost in the EU, without the passage of Suez, tankers would be loaded directly from drilling platforms. Beauty! Of course, South Stream was pounded through the Bulgarians, and the Saudi-Qatari daesh fell on Syria and Iraq, Nusra was thrown into Syria, they formed an SSA, under the patronage of the West, Turkey and Israel. Syrian Kurds were also used against Syria. And then Putin seizes the Syrian shelf with lightning speed, the NATO invasion squadron was not allowed in and the process of destroying the blacks and greens began. In response, we organized the Maidan, which was preparing for the elections and not so bloody. They hurried, they made people laugh. Crimea lost. Shock from Russia. They staged a bloodshed in Donbass and burned people in Odessa. LDNR had to be fought back. Instead of South Stream, we agreed with Erdogan on Turkish. Erdogan was staged a coup for this, but we saved him at the last moment. He destroyed the caste ruling century and Turkey gained independence from the West and NATO only formally. An attack on the blockade of SP-2 followed and the final touch - a coup in Belarus with the entry of NATO troops into Minsk, as if by chance conducting maneuvers in Poland on the border, at the same time a powerful offensive in the Donbass. The coup was thwarted. The Armed Forces of Ukraine were taken into a large cauldron, and at the same time a powerful group was pulled up to the border with Belarus. The destroyers respond sharply and a truce has been concluded through direct channels. And in Geneva, the ceasefire was fixed and positions for bargaining and world division were determined. Those. The main front of the WWII is Syria and it is the battle for the shelf. Clearing Syria, return of Crimea, LPNR, independence of Turkey and its loss like cannon fodder, severe sanctions, hitch of SP-2, murder of UP. Two thwarted coups, Skripals with gas provocations and even the war in Karabakh, where Karabakh went to Russia ... these are all secondary fronts and battles of the Great Gas War. According to the results of the IGV, Russia obtained by military means Syria with its superfields of oil and gas, received the Crimea, part of the Donbass with its subsoil, control of the Azov Sea and Nagorno-Karabakh. It has defended the gas monopoly and is still increasing it. The closest moment, fraught with a nuclear war, was in the confrontation between the squadrons of the Russian Federation and NATO, there were frightening launches of missiles (two) and their interception.

[Hypertension]

That is, all this movement so that Russia can continue to sell gas? The great battle for the title of the gas station of the whole planet. Well ... Apparently, the development of other industries in the Russian Federation can not be expected. Gas, father, and oil, mother. It's sad.

[hrych]

Not quite. Although all wars are largely for resources and living space. Firstly, though the battle was in the VGV, it was the oil field that was no less key for the West. Again, imagine Kuwait in the Mediterranean region. Moreover, the drilling platform is being fitted and immediately into tankers, bypassing Suez, immediately through the ports of Europe. Those. month and more. Development and logistics costs are minimal. We got it and they say ours are already browning under the protection of the fleet. I will not approve. That Erdogan did not interfere with us on the Syrian Express, that he supported us in the Turkish Stream, with great benefit for Turkey (he tried for his country, not like the Bulgarians), that under Casus Belli with the plane, he did not allow Turkey to be drawn into the war and received coup. After the coup, the enemies again organized Casus Belli with the ambassador. Therefore, Erdogan receives a nuclear power plant as a gift. But besides the fact that Russia got its Kuwait, even when they wanted to knock us out of Armenia and replace Gyumri with a NATO base, it was Erdogan who helped us defend it, and that we got Karabakh is a separate topic. As for gas in the EU, it turns out that the EU controls not just gas, but European energy. Typical example of Germany and its gas companies - the secret government that Putin has been growing for decades. Neither Trump nor Biden could break them. Therefore, Merkel can condemn Russia in public, but behind the scenes she tears her teeth behind the scenes, even though she sincerely hates her. Well, with gas money, we are re-equipping the army and building a space atomic plane. There was also a fierce economic war, Obama was sincerely convinced that the Russian economy was torn to shreds, the calculation was that famine would break out, but this did not affect oil and gas supplies. Not the point. When there is a chess game, there are no separate moves, there is no separate rivalry between the pieces, all events are one game and VGB. The West wanted to kill many birds with one stone, incl. stop our nuclear missile rearmament. This failed, although the people had to tighten their belts a little. Russia has also rolled out new models based on different principles. Actually, this allowed us to win a brilliant Victory. Now there is a truce, the world will be more stable, and Russia will have to get out and make decisions together. They could not do anything with Russia, now there is nowhere for the West to postpone the Chinese issue. It is worth noting that we still defended Venezuela and the Bolivian junta failed. There is also the Yemeni VGV front, where Iran works more, which in VGV has become our reliable ally. Venezuela, Iran, Russia also received a controlling stake in oil. That is why European Kuwait was so important to the scales. In Bolivia, there is lithium again, there is a "lithium triangle". And this is now all the batteries. Bolivia - the West also failed. And this is also the front of the IGV and ours rustled there. In many ways, we were helped by muddling up inside the US, the split between the US and the EU, the split in the EU, in particular Brexit. The coronavirus released for showdown also did not hit the way they wanted. Trump was overthrown in his background, but Mr. C is not. So he also became the Tsar, like Erdogan the Sultan. Before the HBV, they were temporary workers, zits-chairmen. Although the discord in the US and the EU is also muddied up against the background of HBV. Now that the IGW is over, it has been possible to avoid a nuclear war and hot regional (full-scale war with Ukraine and Turkey). Against the background of the onset of HBV, the Arab Spring also collapsed. In Egypt and Tunisia, the counter-revolution won, the army of mercenaries killed in Syria was not enough. How they will press China now ... it's hard to say. But there will be. In the Russian Federation, with an armistice, it is finally possible to try to build a more stable and just society. Although it is possible - this will be done by the Successor.

[Hypertension]

Quote: hrych

Although all wars are largely for resources and living space.

However, at different times, different resources are valued. Nowadays, the main resource is brains. Only it does not seem that Russia is focusing on this resource.

Quote: hrych

Well, with gas money, we are re-equipping the army and building a space atomic plane.

Something rearmament is neither shaky nor shaky. I mean not a single new type of armored vehicles like Kurganets or boomerang. Some upgrades.
And since 2009, they have been filling in about the atomic machine, but so far only pictures. Well, the burly Konanykhin draws trajectories on the board.
After the introduction of sanctions, important microcircuits were not delivered to Rogozin, so the atomic plane will not take off.
I do not know. It seems like you are telling everything neatly, but I have no feelings of any "victory", in any "great war". The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, prices jump, sanctions increase, space is getting worse and worse. And there is an opinion that the United States will tackle Russia properly and it will be bad.
In the next year or two, I think we'll see - a victory or not a victory.

[hrych]

Someone made a compact high-power reactor? Some brains have done. Brains are okay. It is surprising that the United States is buying up brains all over the world, but there is little sense, they cannot come up with a damn thing. Ufimtsev's stealth idea is being tortured to the bone. Rearmament is more than a hundred Yars and more than six dozen Maces on Borei. Not counting Topol-M and Liner. Dagger on alert and Vanguard. Zircon is being tested and Sarmat goes to the home stretch.

Quote: Hyperion

The United States will tackle Russia properly and it will be bad.

Those. have not taken it before, as it should? So there are no complaints about HBV, they already did what they could and seemed to do everything literally. Did they hesitate to unleash a nuclear war? What's the point? To die by yourself? There is no logic in this. Russia had to do import substitution, which is a blessing in the end. And self-sufficiency comes to the absolute. Yes, they lost time and a lot of money, but there are no millions of victims, as in the Second World War. Many people did not even notice the World War, so they grumble about inflation. The United States has overstrained itself like a world gendarme. They fought two wars at the same time in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the twenty-year occupation had a profound effect. I didn't have enough strength. I repeat, the internal divisions in the US and the EU have greatly influenced. And the countries of the third world do not hurt the hegemon, and they themselves have become powerful players in the world.

Quote: Hyperion

In the next year or two, I think we will see - a victory or not a victory

The victory was accomplished. A truce has been concluded, the diplomatic war has stopped, the economic war has already been blown away, restrictions on the SP-2 are demonstratively lifted, although the branch is already ready. The United States is forced to extend START, but there is nowhere to go, its nuclear missile rearmament has gone through, there is no replacement for either Trident or Minuteman, even on paper. Not that there ... Now they will bargain for the inclusion of Poseidon and Petrel in the agreement.
And now, of course, a new round will begin. Preparing for the Fifth World War. Here they are not, but we are already unleashing a race of new principles of arms against the backdrop of their Chinese muddle. Now the space race begins, i.e. whoever brings out the first atomic-jet will win. We are preparing to hatch Angara in the next couple of years, and they will have to hatch a giant tomb. Therefore, under the lunar cover, Musk, Bezos and NASA itself were ordered a heavyweight - a launch vehicle. Our atomic-powered aircraft with a megawatt-class reactor will maneuver with such energetics, go into geosynchronous orbit on electro-jet engines, will have a powerful radar and a combat, quantum emitter. Those. real SDI. They are not stupid - they understand this and return to the previously failed project NERVA (under her heavyweight RN). It's bigger and deadlier, but at least some kind of answer.

[Hypertension]

Quote: hrych

Those. have not taken it before, as it should?

Not. Those sanctions that were before - are still flowers. Everything can be much more serious.

Quote: hrych

Russia had to do import substitution, which is a blessing in the end.

Why is it good if import substitution has failed?
Fuck the hell changed, that's all. Previously, they drove from some countries, now from others. There is no absolute self-sufficiency. I wrote that, for example, Rogozin does not have enough microcircuits to launch rockets. Where is self-sufficiency?
https://www.rbc.ru/economics/07/12/2020/5fcda5279a7947bf1230ecbf

Quote: hrych

Our atomic-powered aircraft with a megawatt-class reactor will maneuver with such energetics, go into geosynchronous orbit on electro-jet engines, will have a powerful radar and a combat, quantum emitter.

Dreams, dreams ... Su-57 has not been completed yet, and already an atomic machine with a quantum emitter. Rogozin, I repeat, does not have a full cycle of electronics, so no atomic plane will fly anywhere.

[hrych]

Once the flowers, then what are the berries? The US has no more leverage. The intestine is thin. Our turnover with them is close to zero. The partners in the EU were pressured, so they lost the market forever. Where has import substitution failed? The main calculation was on the dependence of the Russian Federation on food. So now there is complete food safety. We are dependent on imports for milk, so this import is Belarusian. Moreover, in terms of food, they switched from defense to attack. Our Agroprom surpassed our second in the world export Oboronprom and gave the state 20 billion foreign currency profit per year. This is an amazing success for the regime. Regarding the rest, a complete openwork. Helicopter engines began to produce themselves, and Motorsich is about to die. What they did not receive from the west, they received from the east. There is an investment in pharmacy and electronics. Everything else is nonsense. When the sanctions began, our main trading partner, the EU, received from us hydrocarbons, chemical products, round timber, etc., and we bought food, engineering products, etc. from them. They could NOT refuse our goods. There is nothing in the world to replace, and not what they did us a favor. But we, with counter-sanctions, refused their food, etc. As a result, they paid us in pure currency, and their goods went to the trash heap. For 7 years, the EU has lost about 350 billion of greens, the United States has lost about 30 billion in the seven-year period. And this is irrevocable. In the first five-year sanctions plan, Russia lost 10 billion greens a year. So if one Agroprom gives 20 billion a year, covered 2 years of sanctions losses. In terms of space, this is not killing the industry, but just a tiny delay. And only for a year or two, and then only for several projects. What for this couple of years of delay, Moscow was captured or Peter fell? Nothing happened. The Danube did not flow backwards and this nonsense does not concern the layman at all.

Quote: Hyperion

Dreams, dreams ... Su-57 has not been completed yet,

Not dreams, but a program. The main thing that our Oboronprom has at its disposal is a compact megawatt-class reactor. He is the heart of Poseidon, the heart of the Petrel, the heart of Peresvet. He is the heart of the spacecraft under construction. I hope you have no complaints about Rosatom, as from some kind of fright towards Roskosmos. The Su-57 is much more complex than a quantum emitter. And we don't need it in a large batch. Only for special operations. This zapadozadolizanie is considered to be the main stealth. We have this second-rate nonsense and is more likely to be exported. We have the main Su-35 aircraft, surpassing all in flight characteristics, in detection range and the ability to destroy the enemy. And the MiG-31BM is superior to the Su-35. Western-driven vehicles have nothing in sight. Not the point. The problem of a quantum emitter, namely a maser, laser, etc., is only in energy. These emitters themselves are 70 years old at lunchtime, but there was no compact energy source, or its storage. The emitter itself is relatively compact and easy to manufacture. And when there is a megawatt of energy, or at least half, then burning warheads, satellites, etc. is not a problem. SDI covered itself with a basin and did not go further than cartoons, solely because of unresolved energy problems in orbit. Russia has solved this problem. Of course, you can not believe me, but believe the Americans. They went to make up. What for? We got the tinsel in the waters of Syria, pumped the Crimea, so what? Now the generals are moaning and stalking them. Go, calm them down, explain that there is no electronics cycle, the Mace does not fly, and let them not build the super-heavy for NERVA, Rogozin will surely pump the atomic machine ...

[ycuce234-san]

Before the era of Troubles, Afghans were engaged in agriculture (viticulture), carpet weaving, light industry. Over time, these industries can be returned.
But before that, having ensured safety and good roads, it is possible to transit goods by trucks, to extract minerals. The fastest emerging industry is transit trucking, since it can be started even with bad roads, especially if you transport industrial semi-finished products, such as industrial paint components, rolls of tin or construction hardware, custom metal structures, scrap metal, ore concentrates - something that is not interesting to road robbers ...

[Grits]

Indeed, the Taliban in every possible way prevented the emergence of poppy fields and fought them mercilessly. Until the Americans came and began to protect these very fields. Honestly, this whole ridiculous government army is not at all sorry. Because they were typical American puppets, learned by them, armed with them. Who in everything hoped for military assistance from the Americans, and therefore, with the same morale as the striped ones. Even worse than the former Tsarandoi, who relied on the Russians in everything. Soon all these government troops, realizing the futility of resistance and the collapse of the entire "front", will massively abandon their weapons and flee. And most likely, they will flee from the composition of the same Taliban

[Petro_tut]

In Russia, the Taliban is not considered an extremist organization, and the Kremlin has a communication channel with them, I think that after the victory of the Taliban, Sharia and peace will come in Afghanistan ...

[nnm]

Banned since 2003

[Petro_tut]

Banned since 2003

Yeah, banned, on paper,
Have many banned ISIS members visited Moscow?
And the Taliban do it more than once in half a year, as they go to work for a visit ...

[Alexey Koshkarov]

And, in my opinion, this is a very naive understanding of the question

[Petro_tut]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/russian/news-56431802.amp

And, in my opinion, this is a very naive understanding of the question

Read

[Petro_tut]

In Russia, the Taliban is not considered an extremist organization, and the Kremlin has a communication channel with them, I think that after the victory of the Taliban, Sharia and peace will come in Afghanistan ...

I look at the downsides of those wishing to drag Russia into another hopeless conflict - British agents in action

[Crane]

and the Kremlin has a communication channel with them
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Can I get more details? What channel? Only without links

[xorek]

Quote: nnm

The feeling that we are again being lured into this country, creating a hotbed of extremism close to our borders.

It looks like the United States agreed on this, and they left a lot of weapons ..
Well, Russia is not the same, let's agree! The Mujahideen remember Shuravi, build like this, fight like that.
Taliban in translation means "students" ..! A lot of them studied in the Union and they remember it with gratitude, but also with Eastern cunning .. They will no longer have a freebie!
They poke their attention to our Asia and get it in full (is an example of this) ..

[nnm]

In this context, rather, "students".
But yes, I think we can quite agree. The question is that the United States will unambiguously bring drug traffic to us and try to spread radicalism to neighboring republics. But there is nowhere to go - it is necessary to resist by uniting with the republics. They are the first to be interested in this, because they will be the first to be demolished by the radicals. Maybe it will even make them closer to Russia.

[seregin-s1]

These "Students" had nothing to do with the USSR! Some of them studied in an extremist madrasah, and the rest are generally illiterate fanatics.

[xorek]

Quote: seregin-s1

These "Students" had nothing to do with the USSR! Some of them studied in an extremist madrasah, and the rest are generally illiterate fanatics.

Well, partly yes .. And yet you can agree with them, but if not .. That is another method, we are still an Asian country and we know their customs and other traditions.
And the amers just robbed them! Afghanistan, if anyone is not in the know, is a very rich country of rare earth metals and other minerals, well, the location also matters ..

Time will tell who is right ..

[aszzz888]

According to experts, after the final withdrawal of the US and NATO military contingent, Afghanistan will gradually come under the rule of the Taliban.

Afghan will again become a "hot spot".

[Pandiurin]

Judging by the video, the Taliban are "adopting" American armored vehicles.
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"Government forces will not be able to resist without Western support."

When the Americans come out, the question will probably not be what they can or cannot. And surrender in time.

The East is a delicate matter, but no one there ever likes to fight for the side that will lose, especially if this cannot be explained in terms of faith.

Are fighting
1. For the newcomers, who invaded their land. - a shame
2. For the Gentiles. - a shame
3. For the side that loses - there is no military glory, a shame.

Nobody wants to accept a shameful death. Whole divisions and cities will surrender.

[rotmistr60]

advance and seize the territory of the country

Even with a NATO contingent, the Afghan "army" was not distinguished by combat successes, and now even more so. Everything will end predictably. Some of the fighters will scatter, some will go over to the side of the Taliban. As a result, everything will return to normal. Did the Americans really intend to build a "democratic" society in Afghanistan? I doubt it, because still not complete idiots. They counted on their strength and weapons, but as always they miscalculated.

[soul]

Quote: rotmistr60

As a result, everything will return to normal. Did the Americans really intend to build a "democratic" society in Afghanistan? I doubt it, because still not complete idiots

Of course, we weren’t going to. They needed an Afghan to shit out of it in all directions, where they could reach (in diplomatic language, "control")

[Mountain shooter]

Soon they will take over all of Afghanistan. And then, most likely, they will begin to divide power. As usual. Where will they get resources for expansion? IMHO, this is an expensive pleasure ...

[family tree]

Not captured. They should be left, so they will arrange such a showdown, Pashtuns, Tajiks, Turkmens, Baluchis ... The Middle Ages, village to village, well, let them evolve. The Britons, over there, twitched and screwed up, said, well, what a hell of it, it's more expensive for us, we'd better frighten the Indians.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: perepilka

Not captured. They should be left, so they will arrange such a showdown, Pashtuns, Tajiks, Turkmens, Baluchis ... The Middle Ages, village to village, well, let them evolve. The Britons, over there, twitched and screwed up, said, well, what a hell of it, it's more expensive for us, we'd better frighten the Indians.

Western democracy will not be built there. Power will remain partially with the local clans. Accordingly, we agreed with the local clan, the clan is responsible for violating the agreements. What will happen to him in the realities of the eastern mentality and the realities of Afghanistan, they will clean up at the root.
Therefore, those who surrendered / agreed with the Taliban is very serious and no one will violate such agreements.
Unless the Taliban suddenly lose power. This is possible if there is a showdown inside the Taliban. But this can happen when they capture all of Afghanistan, except for Kabul, or after the capture of Kabul, when there is no common enemy. Since there is likely to be an agreement that the Taliban are allowing the Americans to leave, Kabul and the airport will be the last stronghold of government forces.

Since Kabul is left for dessert, the Taliban will deal with all the other districts of Afgan before it. And up to Kabul, there will be no internal currents. This means that nothing will prevent the Taliban from taking full control of the whole of Afghanistan.

[family tree]

Take and hold two big differences

[Ruslan Sulima]

As in my opinion, this is another dramatization. We leave not far away, we leave such an ass that we have grown up, but we are close ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Ruslan Sulima

As in my opinion, this is another dramatization. We leave not far away, we leave such an ass that we have grown up, but we are close ...

What a reenactment, just ran away.
Of course, they could have delayed for a while, but still the result would have been exactly that.
The costs are growing, there is no transport channel by land, only air traffic.
And the trend is such that they could get a ban on the air corridor with Afghanistan from neighboring countries or some restrictions.

And given the fact that the United States creates problems for China in Taiwan, they could receive a response in the form of supplying weapons through Pakistan for the "armed opposition".

The United States had no options and apparently the time had come.

Now, not a staging, but an attempt to save face.

Of course, they made a lot of shit during their presence, drug production, well-established drug traffic, devastation, the population does not know how to fight and engage in drugs, smuggling.

The United States will not be able to influence Afghanistan (the Taliban) after leaving.
Afgan is bordered by a lot of other states who neutralize this American influence.

For China, for example, the topic of agricultural production in China is interesting, there are many mouths, a lot of products are needed.

Extraction of rare earth elements or infrastructure investments are too risky, maybe China will undertake, but only if the political situation in Afghanistan normalizes, which is doubtful in the near future.

China can engage in arming the "right" Taliban in order to increase its influence and weaken possible attempts to influence on the part of Western countries.

[Murmur 55]

I always wondered, and here and there most Afghans (albeit of different tribes) only one with Kalash and Buras in slippers and Pashtuns are fighting that there is already a crack, while others with normal weapons with air support, from an instructor and all stripes can only retreat flashing heels ????

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Murmur 55

I always wondered, and here and there most Afghans (albeit of different tribes) only one with Kalash and Buras in slippers and Pashtuns are fighting that there is already a crack, while others with normal weapons with air support, from an instructor and all stripes can only retreat flashing heels ????

So it's not about the tribes.
It's like policemen and punishers who served the invaders.
They planted alien rules and a way of life. In Kabul itself, this may be partly perceived as normal, but outside of it there is nothing but rejection.

Those. no support from the population.

The government forces are "collective farmers" who are fighting for only wages. The owner pretends to pay, they pretend to fight.

The Taliban have an ideology (partly extremist), but this does not cause irreconcilable rejection from the locals and often full support.
The Taliban do not propose to hold gay parades and change the traditional rules of relations between a man and a woman ...

[rocket757]

The agreement ended, it went on again, as before ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: rocket757

The agreement ended, it went on again, as before ...

Well, the agreement with the United States remains,
Americans do not seem to be deliberately pinched. The Americans rolled back, the Taliban entered.

And it will be even cooler ...

1. Kazakhstan signed an agreement on military cooperation with the government of Afghanistan. Those. in any format are going to resist the Taliban.
It is unlikely that this is something more significant than the supply of weapons, but most likely the training of Afghan servicemen.

2. Erdogan decided to leave 2-4 thousand Turkish troops to guard the Kabul airport after the official date of the complete withdrawal of the coalition troops. The rationale is simple, they entered as a NATO country and a member of the American coalition, but they remain as a type, not they, but something else. The Turks remain as traditional historical friends of the Afghan people.

Those. there are those willing to support the government forces of Afghanistan.
And the Turks generally fight the Taliban.

I wonder how they are going to import fuel and lubricants, ensure the supply of food, electricity to Kabul, if it is under siege, or simply all roads are under the control of the Taliban.

[rocket757]

Of course, a lot of interesting and not interesting things will happen!

[CommanderDIVA]

It is high time to sum up the results of the 20-year presence of the Americans in Afghanistan, was it worth bringing NATO troops into Afghanistan at all? It is doubtful that the Americans spent, in my opinion, a trillion US dollars on the operation in Afghanistan, were recaptured by the drug trade around the world, in my opinion, after the victory of the Taliban in Afghanistan, it’s time for China to come up with its “soft power” strategy and economically enslave this country, there are quite good reserves of natural resources

[family tree]

China, a great country, with their human reserves, even in the century before last, the whole world could. Only now, a ponto-free wall was built, but the Japs bent their last century, only on the way.
And the Afghans know how to fight, on a short, along the edge.
Robbery and plunder, regardless of power.
Tired, with soft power.

[TermNachTer]

As it was required to prove, the smokocratic government will not last even a couple of months after NATO leaves. Congratulations to Erdogan on his idea of ​​a Kabul airport - Turkish heroes will not be bored there)))

[Petro_tut]

Biden and Erdogan agreed that with the withdrawal of the United States, Turkey will ensure the security of the Kabul airport.

Biden is trying to negotiate with Russia and Turkey to help the United States control the situation in Afghanistan. Guess how long US interests will last after the withdrawal of most of the US military?

[Prisoner]

Nature abhors a vacuum. We left, the Taliban came for us. If it were not for this t-varied Kozyrev and the EBN drunkard with Najibullah's advisers, with the help of our weapons, he could have probably repulsed the Basmachis, but alas ... And these current rulers the Taliban will most likely get their hands on with giblets. Someone can dump, someone will be outbid, someone will be pulled up. In any case, changes are coming.

[astrolog1300]

I watched the daily horoscope for July 2021 - the Taliban must invade Tajikistan - July 13 - I will remind you - old predictions that the hordes will reach Chelyabinsk - and will convert to Christianity - which means the Central Asian countries will fall treacherously - they will to their side - and this whole pack will move to Russia - and it will have to defend itself as always - here I see the indecision of our leadership - it manifested itself in the Patriotic War - now with Ukraine - in the future with the Taliban - there are no real ones leaders