Russia revives the idea of ​​“Caspian monsters” - giant ekranoplanes that scared NATO

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Russia revives the idea of ​​“Caspian monsters” - giant ekranoplanes that scared NATO

The idea of ​​giant ekranoplans is being revived in Russia - aircraft that combine the qualities of a ship and an airplane and in Soviet times frightened NATO, where they were called "Caspian monsters." A new platform is being developed that will allow the creation of WIGs with a payload of up to 600 tons of both civilian and military applications.

Last year, the army decided to abandon the idea of ​​unusual "flying ships". "In the state defense order for 2011-2020 years, funding for the development and construction of ekranoplans is not provided. These ships are not in the plans for the development of the Navy for the next decade," Izvestia wrote in November.

But the idea itself did not die without a defense order. Interfax announces the beginning of the development of a new expandable platform - they are engaged in NPP Radar MMS and TsKB them. Alekseeva. The concept provides for the release of the first new generation of ekranoplans with a large capacity from 50 to 600 tons to 2016 year, as well as the development of transport and cargo-passenger wig machines with a payload capacity of up to 2 thousand - 3 thousand tons in the future. "

In the "Radar" reported that the platform of the new generation can be used for civilian and military purposes.

In the meantime, the creators carry on exhibitions a small ekranoplan - ten-meter “Aquaglide-5”. Five is the number of passengers that the aircraft takes on board.

The ups and downs of "Caspian monsters"

The first ekranoplans were developed in the middle of the last century in the Nizhny Novgorod Central Clinical Hospital of Rostislav Alekseev. "Flying ships" used the effect of an aerodynamic screen - due to the air cushion separating the ship from the water, they could slide above the surface. Low-flying Soviet ekranoplans were inaccessible both for enemy radar and for missiles that cannot detect a target that does not touch the water and does not rise above 100 meters above it.

At the same time, an aluminum-magnesium alloy vehicle could cover an enormous distance in a few minutes, having several hundred paratroopers with heavy weapons on board, and immediately move the bridgehead for their landing with guided missiles.

In the 1980s as part of the Caspian flotilla there was a 236th division of ekranoplan ships. It was based in Kaspiysk and it consisted of three transport and landing "Eaglet" project 904, as well as one rocket winged project "Lun" project 903.


The ancestor of the ekranoplanes "Lun" and "Eaglet" was created in a single copy experimental 544-ton KM-6 (ship-mock-up), the abbreviation of which in NATO was decoded as "Caspian monster". The first copy of the "monster" crashed in 1969, when the pilot lost the visual horizon due to heavy fog and crashed into the water at high speed. The second copy, also due to the pilot’s error in 1980, crashed and sank in the Caspian Sea (the crew managed to escape).


“Eaglet” was not afraid of a storm in 2-3 points, it steadily flew at a height from 1 to 10 meters, but when tested it rose to 100 meters. Such machines were intended for the rapid transfer of troops and equipment, which was loaded through the reclining "nose" of the aircraft-ship. The first copy of the "Eaglet" - C-21 - crashed in August 1992, then the flight engineer died in the rank of ensign. The second sample, C-25, was cut for scrap in the 2000 year, and the third, C-26, stands on the Khimki reservoir. The last flight with combat shooting ekranoplan "Eaglet" performed in the summer of 1989 year.


The Lun attack rocket-carrying vehicle, the serial number of the C-31, could reach speeds up to 250 nodes (463 km / h) and was armed with six Mosquito guided anti-ship missiles. Until 2008, he was based in Kaspiysk. In the future, "Lun" was mothballed in a dry dock, and all the secret electronics was put into warehouses.

The website of the Russian Air Force draws a disappointing conclusion: after the collapse of the USSR and the changing situation in the world, the EE was used as a burden for the military - “it’s not clear to ships and aircraft, and it’s not clear what to do with them”. As a result, there is only one thing left - to send them to the scrap.
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  1. +7
    3 September 2012 11: 55
    Are there any ocean options? ...... one day an American admiral comes out on the deck of the Enterprise and rubs his eyes ...... oh myne Goth !!! laughing the next moment it is blown away by the wind into the cold Atlantic from a rushing Russian monster
    1. Vanek
      +1
      3 September 2012 11: 57
      He (admiral) will not even see him (Lun).
    2. +1
      3 September 2012 12: 55
      Quote: strannik595
      ...... one day an American admiral comes out on the deck of the Enterprise and rubs his eyes ...... oh myne Goth !!! the next moment he is blown away by the wind into the cold Atlantic from the rushing Russian monster


      Ghost ship. Appears where they are not waiting ...
      1. 0
        3 September 2012 19: 19
        Quote: 1tankist
        Ghost ship. Appears where they are not waiting ...


        So the coolest thing - these things can fly through the land if there aren’t much mountains or forests there!
    3. sidoroff
      +2
      3 September 2012 12: 57
      With your permission I’ll add a little hi

      The new generation ekranoplanes will appear in Russia by 2016 2 September 2012, 17: 55

      The “Aquaglide-5” marine passenger winged craft will present Radar mms at the Gidroaviasalon-2012 international exhibition, which will be held in Gelendzhik from September 6 to 9, Natalya Misnik, the company’s official representative, said.

      "Radar" in conjunction with the Central Design Bureau. Alekseev developed a concept that provides production of the first new-generation ekranoplanes with a large carrying capacity of 50 to 600 tons by 2016, as well as the development of transport and passenger-and-air-based ekranoplanes with a carrying capacity of up to 2-3 thousand tons in the subsequent"Said Misnik.

      According to her, withNow work is underway to create a basic transport platform based on a new-generation ekranoplan model of a large displacement with an open-type architecture. This platform can be successfully used for both civilian and military purposes.

      Misnik noted that “Aquaglide-5” marine passenger ekranoplane, visitors to the exhibition can see on a static platform. In addition, at the company's stand you can see the layouts of the basic marine ekranoplan A-050-742d and the passenger ekranoplan A-020-538, Interfax reports.

      As the newspaper VZGLYAD previously reported, in March a source in the military-industrial complex announced that funding for the creation of ekranoplanes would be carried out under the federal target program “Development of Civil Marine Equipment for the Period 2009–2016”. In particular, It is known that the program includes the construction of a civil ekranoplane weighing up to 50 tons with a composite wing.

      The source noted that the draft concept provides for the creation of a line ekranoplanes with a displacement of 50, 100 and 600 tons. The implementation of the program, which will be formed after the approval of the draft concept, according to rough estimates, will require financial resources in the amount of about 8–8,5 billion rubles over five years.

      The need for mass production of ekranoplanes was also announced by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin.
      1. +3
        3 September 2012 14: 16
        Quote: sidoroff
        The “Aquaglide-5” marine passenger winged craft will present Radar mms at the Gidroaviasalon-2012 international exhibition, which will be held in Gelendzhik from September 6 to 9, Natalya Misnik, the company’s official representative, said.
        He’s a screw screw. He’s up to reactive as to China on four. It is rather a failure rather than a breakthrough. Could even do old projects reactive.
    4. 0
      3 September 2012 14: 23
      Quote: strannik595
      Are there ocean options?
      At that time it wasn’t. too high fuel consumption. there are 10 engines VD-7 turbojet engine with a thrust of 10X13000 kgf. In the course mode, only 4 worked, but this is still a lot.
      1. +2
        3 September 2012 18: 07
        It's great that they decided to return to what can really show our superiority in one area or another! It is not for nothing that the striped licks licked their lips, trying to gain access to the technologies of ekranoplanes in full, and it's great that they were shown a fig! "You need such a cow yourself ...!" Russia is the ancestor of these technologies, and it is for her to develop them!
        1. +2
          3 September 2012 19: 27
          Valera, hello! +. I do not understand growing up. leadership. How many rivers, lakes, and the coastal zone are huge in Russia. Here is a novation, a new type of transport, new technology. Make a civilian version - tomorrow many will be built in line. Be the first to enter the market, and tomorrow you will have to butt off your competitors.
          I will add a little to the author. The "aerodynamic screen effect" occurs due to the higher density of air at the water-air interface due to the evaporation of water and the mixing of air and water molecules. This phenomenon is called boundary layer and is described by differential equations with a small parameter. Simply put, "air bag".
        2. 0
          3 September 2012 21: 47
          Quote: esaul
          It’s gorgeous that they decided to return to what can really show our superiority in one area or another!
          What's so chic? What is wrong and now we can’t even get close? What good Where are we going to take the technology that was sold at 90 Yanks? The truth is that they can’t even make them close. Dviglo repeat is not fate. But Valery has no reason for URA. all restoration at the screw level.
  2. Vanek
    +3
    3 September 2012 11: 55
    Yes, really "Monster". And what is being revived is good.

    Soviet time scared NATO

    Be afraid!
  3. +8
    3 September 2012 12: 01
    Now that's another matter! And then they rejected him then, although he is faster, more maneuverable, he can quickly deliver important, heavy cargo, such as helicopters for Syria ... Bring him to mind a little: means of protection, etc. and you get "Russian Fortress". I can only wish good luck to those who will directly take part in the further decision of his fate !!! Yes
    1. +5
      3 September 2012 12: 35
      Quote: Mujahiddin777
      And then they rejected him then, although he is faster, more maneuverable, can quickly deliver an important, heavy load, such as helicopters for Syria ..
      They did not reject it, but covered the project in favor of hovercraft. Although the Yankees still do not have a reliable means of dealing with ekranoplans. They are kings of coastal sites. And, in principle, a missile carrier would be more efficient than a landing vehicle. By the way, if it passes over the coast at 10 meters above the ground, even cartridges can not be wasted alive, there will be nothing left because of the differential pressure, and all vehicles will be rendered unusable.
      1. Fox
        +3
        3 September 2012 12: 45
        They rejected it to please Gobachev. And the dumb Serdyukov just do not understand why the army.
        1. Dmitry.V
          +3
          3 September 2012 12: 54
          "why the army" -reform.
          1. 0
            3 September 2012 13: 50
            And then rename wink And on the topic: I would really like to have always had money for such projects.
        2. Captain Vrungel
          +5
          3 September 2012 12: 54
          Another evidence that Alekseev was far ahead of his time. Finally, for the military specialists, the cavalry realized that he was needed the day before yesterday, but the day after tomorrow would be relevant.
          1. +1
            3 September 2012 13: 03
            Quote: Captain Vrungel
            Another evidence that Alekseev was far ahead of his time.
            Yuri. One of our oldest employees was in the hospital with Rostislav Alekseev after they closed the ekranoplan project. So he told me that Alekseev had some ideas that he did not manage to apply in his cars. After the program was covered, he had a heart attack. Nothing survived it and then developed the concept of hydrofoil vessels (this is purely his project), which simply had no analogues in those days.
            1. Captain Vrungel
              +1
              3 September 2012 13: 48
              Evgeniy! I completely agree with you. SPK with a variable diving area wing of the "Kometa", "Kolkhida", "Albatross" types. "Cyclone". Still in operation abroad. Their speed, passenger capacity, efficiency and seaworthiness in relation to engine power are an order of magnitude higher than their foreign counterparts. The development of high-speed catamarans with a minimum waterline area and a cavity (in Russia only Bora and Samum) were successfully introduced by shipbuilders from Norway and Australia, then the USA. Due to the failure in the tests with the "Lunya" (he himself took control of the emergency vehicle without a tail and brought it to the base), Alekseev was rudely treated, removed from the project and transferred to head the department. While the right to decide is entrusted to furniture makers, tailors and gynecologists, it is very difficult to implement something that is much ahead of its time.
    2. +1
      3 September 2012 13: 54
      Quote: Mujahiddin777
      Bring it to mind a little: remedies, etc.


      Protection from what? Sea mines and torpedoes will not reach him, he is above the water. For anti-aircraft missiles too low, for anti-ship (alleged enemy) too fast.
    3. 0
      3 September 2012 18: 16
      about "more maneuverable", so I read on the contrary that he maneuvers very badly, since the speed is high and to turn you need a very large radius.
      1. -1
        3 September 2012 19: 12
        And at sea, what is the small turning radius? And 10 meters above the surface ?. Do you even know how ships turn around?
  4. +1
    3 September 2012 12: 03
    let's hope that by the year at least 2025 a couple of these monsters will be in operation
    1. 0
      3 September 2012 12: 20
      read the article carefully, they are not even in the plans
      1. 0
        3 September 2012 12: 37
        Quote: strannik595
        read the article carefully, they are not even in the plans

        Read it again. At the beginning. The project is reborn. That is, everyone will do practically with 0.
    2. GHG
      GHG
      0
      3 September 2012 15: 46
      He needs stealth and air force cover, with current technologies, he will simply be quickly killed by a simple aviation anti-ship missile.
      1. 0
        3 September 2012 21: 49
        Look TTX GRH / And you will understand that it will simply lose ekranoplan as a target.
  5. +2
    3 September 2012 12: 05
    a good device, it’s strange that it is not needed, there are no analogues in the world but the effect is breathtaking
  6. tverskoi77
    +1
    3 September 2012 12: 05
    Amazing Why are the Navy not interested in ekranoplanes (especially the missile version). This is a unique technology, a breakthrough, it is the most ardent friend of aircraft carriers!
    After 2020, scurrying around will probably be too late.
    1. +1
      3 September 2012 13: 18
      how to cover a group from hockey and drummer groups?
      1. tverskoi77
        0
        3 September 2012 15: 48
        Of course, the hockey has a radius of detection conditionally two more than the radius of destruction of mosquitoes. But such parameters as detection and defeat are still quite different and you can use their differences. The question of how is answered by the tactics of application. With her presence alone, Lun can draw large enough resources from the aircraft carrier to defend herself and keep him constantly in suspense. No one can relax knowing that there is an unobtrusive thing with a speed of 500 km. carrying 6 "cucumbers" on board.
        1. 0
          3 September 2012 19: 12
          not so much.
          The AUG in our case will not consist of 1 av, but 3-4 pieces in each of 50 F-18 drummers and EW aircraft. Raise the squadron + EW aircraft hang either maiveriki or harpoons. And where the WIG will disappear and the aircraft carrier in a combat situation VERY quickly raises the sides. Apart from the duty links who will be air.
          1. tverskoi77
            0
            4 September 2012 11: 16
            You think in terms of parameters, that a bullet kills any special forces, it follows that we do not need special forces).
            An aircraft carrier without cover is also vulnerable, as is an ekranoplan. The first always works as part of a strike force. The second may follow the same example.
            Yes, and taking into account the separation of our fleets and the impossibility of mobile transferring them to each other for help, the ekranoplan in this sense can quickly and easily, for example, fly from the Northern Fleet to the Pacific Fleet and strengthen it. Despite the ice conditions.
    2. +2
      3 September 2012 13: 53
      I agree with the strange logic - the ekranoplan is a high-speed low-flying unobtrusive target, i.e. the most difficult target for enemy air defense + it is invulnerable to torpedoes unlike hovercraft and its speed is 5 times higher, it’s good that they don’t forget ...
      1. Windbreak
        -2
        3 September 2012 15: 59
        What is inconspicuous in such a carcass?
        1. 0
          3 September 2012 19: 15
          Quote: Burel
          What is inconspicuous in such a carcass?
          TTX lay out tracking ships of NATO. And then tell us how they differ according to height + speed. and then on garlic whether they can react and what they can oppose.
  7. +4
    3 September 2012 12: 06
    He overtook his time, pity a good car was leaked. But Serdyukov really does not understand why he is needed, he will fill up the project completely. As long as the motivation is money, and not the country's security, we will not have them in service.
    1. 0
      3 September 2012 13: 34
      It’s somehow vague in the article, it’s written to be honest, in my opinion most of the Moscow region do not understand in which dimension it lives or understands but how the dog cannot say anything.

      , and not the country's security, we will not have them in service.

      Gold words! or it will be in the order of the initiative of some "begged" professors who are fanatics of their ideas ...
  8. +1
    3 September 2012 12: 10
    May God grant these ascetics both strength and means in this noble and necessary deed! The great ideas of the past should not be cast into oblivion.
  9. +3
    3 September 2012 12: 12
    Guys, stop dreaming. The program in Soviet times was launched with only one goal - to sharply increase accuracy (tolerances / landings), and most importantly - the weight culture of the production of ships. AND EVERYTHING! Therefore, they transferred it to the maritime, and not to the aviation department. Although in fact it is an airplane. And Alekseev earned more than one heart attack on this.
  10. +2
    3 September 2012 12: 15
    taking into account the design ideas that have stepped forward, it will be possible to hang on mosquitoes and not mosquitoes, but something more modern and heavier
    1. 0
      3 September 2012 12: 23
      in-mace for example wink
      1. +1
        3 September 2012 12: 40
        no, the mace will not pull. but yachons are quite. and then you can take the Black Sea "under your hand"
  11. 0
    3 September 2012 12: 17
    But it’s interesting .... you can get Luna with an anti-carabiner ..... or still an anti-air current missile ....
    1. +4
      3 September 2012 13: 22
      As far as I know, neither one nor the other.
      For aircraft SD this is too low-altitude target. And for PKR - too fast. Here the missile defense system from the ship will probably reach, but it will not be substituted for it - it will shoot out from distant approaches and look for fistulas
      1. +2
        3 September 2012 13: 41
        Greetings to Andrew. I wrote above that the padders themselves say that they have no less effective means against ekranoplanes. As it was correctly noted for RCC, it is too fast, and the reaction time after its detection (which, by the way, is also problematic, is it to detect a low-flying or gliding target with a speed of 400 km \ hour)
        1. +1
          3 September 2012 15: 47
          Hi Eugene!
          As far as I heard, W-skis are complex and dangerous in piloting. I am incompetent in this area, but there is a feeling that WIG is still not grown to a full-fledged vehicle — whether it is a vehicle or a military ...
          But we have these works were ahead of the whole world. The first to start - the first to be brought to mind ... And therefore, the revival of the development of WIG can only be happy
          1. 0
            3 September 2012 19: 16
            Andrew. You're right. But at the same time it is a very effective weapon. Moreover, Alekseev said that this is only the beginning of a new era of planning ships.
          2. +1
            3 September 2012 20: 42
            Andrew, they are not
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            h-ski difficult and dangerous to fly.
            , they just pilot in a completely different way, not in an airplane ... WIG has its own specifics of piloting, pilots need to be trained just for them ...
            1. +1
              3 September 2012 21: 52
              Quote: Raven1972
              they are just piloted in a completely different way, not in an airplane way ... The ekranoplanes have their own specifics of piloting, pilots must be trained just for them ...
              Very true. Because it’s not even pilots, but captains of a jet-propelled ship.
              1. +1
                3 September 2012 23: 25
                Exactly !!!! good
    2. 0
      3 September 2012 13: 23
      moon protector can get
      And what prevents
      1. +4
        3 September 2012 14: 01
        Quote: leon-iv
        moon protector can get
        And what prevents

        Speed ​​- anti-ship missiles are designed to aim at slow-moving targets (ships), the anti-ship missile guidance system simply will not be able to direct a missile at a target traveling at 500 km h, the system will most likely be preoccupied with other ones (8 mosquitoes flying into it), but even if it is fired at by ekranoplan the lower limit of the guidance of American missiles (in any case the Patriots is accurate) is about 60 meters and the ekranoplane flies at an altitude of 10-20 - so this is a very difficult target ... NEEDS WIG ekranoplan ...
        1. 0
          3 September 2012 14: 46
          Well, if the penetrating warhead, then most likely it will fly by ..., but if it swallows next to the target ..... it will probably get it.
          1. +1
            3 September 2012 14: 47
            By the way, and in airplane mode, to what height can Lun jump out ...
            1. +1
              3 September 2012 14: 58
              Quote: Bosk
              By the way, and in airplane mode, to what height can Lun jump out ...
              Raised to 100. But regularly with a maximum controllability of 10-30.
              1. +1
                3 September 2012 15: 08
                This means on a jump he can also launch a rocket ......
                1. 0
                  3 September 2012 15: 17
                  Quote: Bosk
                  This means on a jump he can also launch a rocket .....

                  Let's be more precise. He could But we can argue purely theoretically about this now, the moon is no longer there.
            2. Bashkaus
              +3
              3 September 2012 15: 10
              Oh, when I read that they flew from the Caspian Sea under their own power, for some reason the figure 8km is spinning. I can make a big mistake.
              1. 0
                3 September 2012 15: 15
                Don’t be mistaken, Sergey. 8 kilometers. This is the maximum roughness of the relief (elevation) that he could overcome.
                1. +1
                  3 September 2012 15: 34
                  I think our army’s evacuation plans are needed, our warriors simply still can’t develop the tactics of using such equipment ... maybe this type of equipment is ahead of its time .... maybe not, the main thing is that we again didn’t play catch-up, our generals have a fear of everything new ....
        2. Windbreak
          0
          3 September 2012 16: 15
          Quote: 11 black
          but even if it fires on an ekranoplane - the lower limit of pointing American missiles
          For example, the SM-2 has a lower limit of 15 meters. The screen plane itself has a height of 19 meters
          1. 0
            3 September 2012 19: 19
            height is 10-30 meters. This height does not give an inefficient use of the SM-2.
            1. 0
              3 September 2012 20: 17
              This height does not give an inefficient use of the SM-2.
              Against ekranoplanes harpoons and mavericks.
        3. 0
          3 September 2012 19: 02
          RCCs are designed for guidance on slow targets
          In my opinion, if you start f-18 with 40 km no speed will help
          RCC guidance system simply can not direct a missile at a target reaching 500 km h
          there is nothing difficult in this. Moreover, the harpoons will be marched in a large flock along a large front.
          the pro system will most likely be preoccupied with others
          RCC has its own guidance system not involved in Ajis
          even if it fires on an ekranoplane - the lower limit of pointing American missiles (in any case, the Patriots for sure) is about 60 meters
          This is enchanting nonsense because the US Navy is armed with SM and SeaSparkow, and if you take SM + Aegis, he will cover the patriot like a bull sheep.
          .. NEED NEED WIG ...
          First you teach the materiel))))
          1. 0
            3 September 2012 19: 20
            Quote: leon-iv
            moreover, harpoons will go in large flocks along a large front.
            Have you ever seen such a use of a harpoon?
            1. 0
              3 September 2012 20: 10
              Have you ever seen such a use of a harpoon?
              This is a standard f-18 raid with the mass launch of harpoons. And given the fact that ekranoplanes with air defense problems have a wide range of possibilities.
          2. +1
            3 September 2012 19: 41
            Quote: leon-iv
            In my opinion, if you start f-18 with 40 km no speed will help

            As far as I understand, it will help. EMNIP GOS PKR is guided by the current position of the target, and on the target going at a speed of 400-500 km / h, it is necessary to anticipate - otherwise not to get.
            Quote: leon-iv
            there is nothing difficult in this. Moreover, the harpoons will be marched in a large flock along a large front.

            If I did not mess up with the GOS - it is useless.
            Quote: leon-iv
            This is enchanting nonsense because the US Navy is armed with SM and SeaSparkow, and if you take SM + Aegis, then he conceals a patriot like a bull sheep

            And how will this help the American? Behind the radio horizon about any low-altitude shooting there can be no talk. If an ekranoplan comes out in direct visibility - then yes, CM2 will, of course, get it. And ekranoplan is why? His task is to launch a rocket attack on an enemy order of kilometers, so with 300. Least. And how will CM2,3,6 help here?
            1. -1
              3 September 2012 20: 17
              GOS RCC focuses on the current position of the target
              WHAT? harpoon has an active head. And the ekranoplan is not a fighter, he will not be able to sharply maneuver. If the head captures the target, it holds it. and her head rotates ± 45
              And how will this help the American?
              I wrote nothing to the previous comrade that missile defense is different from anti-ship missiles.
              1. +2
                3 September 2012 21: 19
                Quote: leon-iv
                CHITO?

                And this is the same. As far as I know, the air-to-air missile launcher is aiming, how to say, not at the plane, or rather, not at its current position. It calculates the meeting point - i.e. the place in which the plane will be, taking into account its speed and direction of movement. Or, in simple Russian words, the rocket takes a lead, aiming not at the plane but at the point where it should be by the time the rocket arrives. Otherwise, given that the plane is 900 km / h "skips" 250 m / s, the rocket simply flies past the target.
                But the seeker of the anti-ship missile system does not do this - a ship that goes even at 30 knots makes only 15 meters per second, so the seeker does not take a lead, but is oriented and guided to the current position of the ship. Such a seeker in attempts to target an object that scratches at 400 km / h turns out to be "always catching up" - it always aims not at the target, but at the place where this target was at the current moment minus the reaction time. Therefore, at least launch them in stacks of anti-ship missiles - they will not aim at the ekranoplan.
                I do not claim that info 100%, this is what I found in open sources, if I am wrong - I suppose they will correct me, the experts on the site are enough
                1. +2
                  3 September 2012 22: 01
                  leon-iv, Andrey. But who told you that the modern fleet has an effective detection of low-flying and gliding targets ?. There are simply no options at that speed. While determined (anti-aircraft missile does not fit) Rocket Shells let him go. Yes, the ekranoplan has long left the affected area. And all the more so since the launch of 6 missiles, that is, it is already possible to pray on an aircraft carrier, and enough for a destroyer 2.
                  1. Windbreak
                    +1
                    3 September 2012 22: 35
                    DRLO than not an effective means of detecting low-flying targets?
                    1. +1
                      3 September 2012 22: 37
                      The radius of the DRLO and the speed of the ekranoplan compare. Also not the most effective method.
                      1. Windbreak
                        0
                        3 September 2012 23: 00
                        and what is the relationship between radius and speed? cruise missiles fly even lower, with greater speed and incomparably less noticeable than ekranoplanes. And what tomahawks are invulnerable by your logic?
                      2. +1
                        4 September 2012 08: 32
                        Yes, that's not the point. Simply...
                        1) DRLO does not always hang over AUG. Very often (especially when the AUG carries out a nomination to a combat area), EW aircraft are concerned with intelligence,
                        2) In the watch mode, the DRLO plane almost never flies farther than 200 km from the aircraft carrier. The maximum radius of detection of the surface target at Hokai is about 450 km, but for an WIG it is unlikely to be larger than 350-km. If not less. So in the worst case, an ekranoplan will be found somewhere in the 550 km from the aircraft carrier.
                        So, if we assume that the speed of the ground-effect vehicle is 500 km per hour and the line of attack of the enemy AB is 300 km, then the Americans have half an hour before the missile volley. And this - we can say that at best.
                      3. Windbreak
                        0
                        4 September 2012 10: 45
                        The range of the last modification of the 240 km Mosquito along a combined trajectory.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        then the Americans still have at their disposal half an hour before a missile salvo
                        And this is not enough for you to defeat the ekranoplan before its salvo? And in general, tell me how ekranoplanes surpass for example the Tu-22M3?
                      4. +1
                        4 September 2012 11: 38
                        Quote: Burel
                        The range of the last modification of the 240 km Mosquito along a combined trajectory.

                        We are actually talking about promising ekranoplanes, what does the Mosquito have to do with it? By the way. The mosquito weighs more than Onyx, Caliber or Brahmos
                        Quote: Burel
                        And this is not enough for you to defeat a wig to his salvo?

                        Is that enough for you? Well, well ... It is of course yes, if we assume that the AV fighters are already on the catapults, equipped with ammunition for ground attack of ekranoplanes, and the AUG has no other tasks on the deck.
                        You, as I think, are considering a kind of "spherical horse in a vacuum" - a single ekranoplan against AUG. And this is wrong, because the ekranoplan is not a miraculous sword-kladenets that in one fell swoop with seven beats, but just an element of the system - but very useful. Consider the situation of the approach of a certain AUG (American composition) to our territory in the context of a military conflict.
                        AUG approaches our shores to strike at something strategically important. In 600 km from the coastline, AUG raises the enhanced watch - EMNIP classic - 4 fighter, 1 DRLO and EW aircraft and pushes them 200 km forward to see whether something is interfering with the AUG approach or not. Meanwhile, A-50U flies along the coastline. And so they sketched each other with a brand new E-2D kilometers of 450 commercials - for both are hefty and not stealth niskolechko. Our DRLO also has a cover - so they will try to bite each other, plus all the airfields nearby (for whom - the sea who has a land one), and a cheerful fight in the air begins.
                        In such conditions, half an hour before going on the attack - this is very, very little. Moreover, it is not at all necessary for ekranoplans to break through DRLO, these can even come from the flank very easily. And who said that 300 km is the limit for our RCC?
                        Of course, you can say that I have imagined the A-50U and the fighters — that’s true, only if we’re not able to build an adequate naval intelligence, target designation and ground-based naval aviation system, etc., even if we build an ekranoplan, even an aircraft-carrier, or the SSGN, to sense still will not.
                      5. +1
                        4 September 2012 11: 43
                        And what about the fact that the Tu-22M is worse ... Well, with a nominal load of 12 tons, he could take only 3 Mosquitoes (if they could be hung on it) and not 6 like Lun. Then - the Tu-22 is still an aircraft, its time in the air is limited. Those. if it has already taken off, it is necessary to hit or return, lie on the wave and lie down for 2-3 hours waiting for a convenient moment Tu-22 cannot. An ekranoplan, again, there is a road everywhere along the coastline - it can be transferred to a threatening direction, concentrated ... And for the Tu-22M, as I understand it (here is non-Copenhagen, consider it speculation, but maybe I'm right) we need a good big runway, which we have it seems not that there are many left, and the construction of new ones will also cost a pretty penny ... Potentially, an uber beast with its own air defense and missile defense can be made from an ekranoplan, so even having ammunition for its reliable defeat it will be much more difficult to kill it than a regular plane
                      6. Windbreak
                        0
                        4 September 2012 12: 13
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        Well, with a nominal load of 12 tons, he could only take 3 Mosquitoes (if they could be hung on him) and not 6, like Lun
                        But the speed and range is greater than that of Lun
  12. badabum
    0
    3 September 2012 12: 20
    Here you have a promising operational marine strike complex (POMUK). What is not the answer to China and Amer for the protection of the northern sea route. The main thing is to find hands capable of doing this miracle.
  13. +3
    3 September 2012 12: 23
    Customers and the General Staff of the RF Ministry of Defense will not order a single copy, because the RF Armed Forces do not have a concept for the development and use of the army and navy. And such incredible products for Makarov and Serdyukov are aerobatics. In order for them to go to the public defense order, the president needs to like it. In Soviet times, I accidentally saw these products in the Caspian, an unforgettable sight !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  14. +1
    3 September 2012 12: 23
    The good news is that they did not forget about the project, maybe they will remember about the ECIP ...
    1. 0
      3 September 2012 14: 18
      EKIP is just a unique device!
      But I’m afraid that his Russian Railways will be cut down at the root, since he can make serious competition in passenger and, moreover, in cargo transportation. Our country is hartland and it is ECIP that can implement this concept. So if you connect the Asian market with the European one, etc., with an autonomous logistics center, somewhere in Siberia.
      The ECIP's carrying capacity is impressive, and the speed of cargo delivery, unlike Russian Railways, is almost 10 times faster.
  15. +1
    3 September 2012 12: 23
    By the way about the birds. If it were possible to make an ocean-going version of the ekranoplan, it would be sold with a bang to the same Australia, the USA or Canada to patrol the coastal zone and protect territorial waters from illegal immigrants, fishermen, etc. walkers to foreign territorial waters There, and strong weapons are not needed. I put in a couple of heavy machine guns, a couple of inflatable boats for the inspection teams and it will be enough. Those. a kind of semi-military semi-civilian version.
    To what extent such an ekranoplan will be suitable as a carrier of a CD or anti-ship missile is still a question, since such a target would be quite easy to track down and destroy, despite its speed. But a means of quickly responding to certain situations in peacetime would be quite useful. And no Swedish "fastcraft" would have competed with him
  16. NickitaDembelnulsa
    0
    3 September 2012 12: 25
    If we are talking about the ocean version of the ekranoplan, then it is quite reasonable
    !
  17. Tamerlan225
    0
    3 September 2012 12: 58
    Why Caspian Monster ????
    1. 0
      3 September 2012 13: 07
      Quote: Tamerlan225
      Why Caspian Monster ????
      Because all the tests of these machines took place in the Caspian.
      1. Bashkaus
        0
        3 September 2012 15: 12
        And a monster because from one of its species and performance characteristics the sphincter of our "partners" was very much compressed
        1. +2
          3 September 2012 15: 39
          There is something to shrink from. This is just KM1. Tests
          1. 0
            8 September 2012 19: 50
            Greetings Eugene !!! ATP for the photo ... What a handsome man he is - KM .... good
  18. 0
    3 September 2012 13: 03
    And how will TSU be implemented for them?
    How to cover from the air.
  19. Victor.
    +2
    3 September 2012 13: 08
    Stupidly refuse them is a new type of aviation. They also once did not believe in helicopters ...
  20. 0
    3 September 2012 13: 32
    Everyone praised them so much, but can anyone tell me what is the strength of these ekranoplanes except the fact that no one else has them?
    The latter, by the way, may not mean that nobody can do such a thing, but that nobody needs them.
    1. +1
      3 September 2012 13: 40
      strong side-run to the target at a shock distance with high speed. hovercraft with mosquitoes have a speed of about 45 knots, which is a problem for the protection of surface targets. and if the speed is 100 knots and kr has a range more than a mosquito? for any surface purpose it will be a full alles-kaput
      1. nickname 1 and 2
        -1
        3 September 2012 14: 50
        andrei332809,
        In other words, US aircraft carriers - a trough with trash?
        1. +1
          3 September 2012 15: 03
          for such principle yes. but the question is: aircraft carriers in inland seas are not used, but will the ekranoplan pull ocean weather conditions?
          1. 0
            3 September 2012 20: 52
            It’s quite pulling, a storm of 2-3 points does not bother him and the range is quite decent .... + refueling along the route can always be provided ...
    2. 0
      3 September 2012 13: 57
      Quote: patsantre
      , what is the strength of these ekranoplanes except the fact that no one else has them?
      The strongest part is speed characteristics.
      Quote: patsantre
      The latter, by the way, may not mean that nobody can do such a thing, but that nobody needs them
      The Yankees themselves admitted that they can not do them because thrust of jet engines is required 16 times higher than that of conventional aircraft. By the way, Alekseev himself attributed them to jet-propelled ships.
  21. Patriot
    -5
    3 September 2012 13: 57
    It seems to me FUFFEL NEWS AND ARTICLES.

    For this is not why their putinoids were practically destroyed, in order to revive them later. Just like BZHRK, Satan and many other things, to which the pro-Western authorities have applied their "efforts"!
    1. +2
      3 September 2012 14: 53
      This effort labeled at one time
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      +2
      3 September 2012 14: 54
      Patriot,

      In my opinion, PU has nothing to do with it! It was before him and Satan, and these miracle ships, planes, demanded the destruction of the Americans at Horbat in response to a proposal to disarm.
    3. +1
      3 September 2012 19: 54
      Quote: Patriot
      For it was not for this that their Putinoids were practically destroyed, then to revive.

      Well, yes, yes, yes, Gorbachev and Yeltsin were cared for and patronized as they could, but Putin and Medvedev turned everything out, and the Union and the ekranoplanes and happiness ...
  22. 0
    3 September 2012 14: 07
    all that can give a good kick to NATO must be produced
  23. Nechai
    +2
    3 September 2012 14: 14
    Quote: Chelicera
    Protection from what?

    Quote: Steam Train
    Ami padders say they have no less effective anti-ekranoplanes

    The leadership of the Union assumed that the West would quickly be able to repeat and develop the idea of ​​ekranoplanes, and therefore issued a task to develop a system for destroying these birds in the coastal zone. The result is a 130-mm self-propelled complex A-222 "Bereg". The speed of reliably hitting aircraft at ultra-low and medium altitudes is 500 km / h.
    In fact, the final decision to stop developing the theme of ekranoplanes was made back in the USSR. At the VTK meeting at SovMin, Rostislav Evgenievich himself supported the idea that the VVA-14 Bartini is more promising for solving a wider range of tasks. Well, the topic of ekranoplanes was covered, and no one thought to create the necessary engines for the VVA, and no one set such a task. So in one fell swoop covered TWO breakthrough directions in the development of transport systems. And this is in a country with our mountain distances, uninhabited spaces.
    And the removal of the ekranoplanes from armament occurred after the advisers who became interested in Putin, the advisers explained: the system is good, but supposedly, the coastal infrastructure is very expensive.
    1. +1
      3 September 2012 14: 49
      Well, VVA14 had a problem with separation from water (as well as at KM), since the water resistance is too strong. And as far as I know, Alekseev wanted to develop both directions. And we went along the path of hovercraft.
    2. nickname 1 and 2
      0
      4 September 2012 11: 45
      Nechai,

      When calculating the survivability of an aircraft carrier, the maximum allowable volume of attacking means is laid, which the aircraft carrier must reflect! fool

      In the presence of the 1st (and if 2 then !!!) ekranoplan + other distracting attacks and the Kirdyk aircraft carrier! wassat

      Here is the most frightening thing! NATO members, etc. am
  24. +5
    3 September 2012 14: 24
    That may be good news. And maybe even joyful ... But ...
    And really - why did you have to ruin everything in the bud, so that then again, practically from scratch, all this to object? ..
    1. sea
      sea
      +2
      3 September 2012 15: 04
      the dough will be smashed in unmeasured quantities
    2. Bashkaus
      +1
      3 September 2012 15: 17
      Mind does not understand Russia,
      No yardstick to measure:
      She has a special feature -
      In Russia you can only believe
    3. +4
      3 September 2012 15: 18
      Quote: Chicot 1
      And really - why did you have to ruin everything in the bud, so that then again, practically from scratch, all this to object?

      Here you no longer need to look for answers to such questions, but send an ideological and responsible comrade with an ice ax to visit Gorbachev.
  25. +1
    3 September 2012 15: 09
    It’s interesting - why not build at least a life-saving ekranoplan? I don’t know how to the military, but such a machine obviously will not hurt the rescuers.
    1. +1
      3 September 2012 15: 32
      Quote: Arkan
      Interesting - why not build at least a rescue ekranoplan?
      They are built, but only screw. They closed the topic of jet technology. And in 1994 we sold the Yankees the technology of helical ekranoplanes, but the Yankees can only build them for the amusement of wealthy uncles and prefer flying boats.
  26. +1
    3 September 2012 15: 35
    Quote: Steam Train
    They are built, but only screw

    I did not know (((, I thought they covered it completely.
    1. +3
      3 September 2012 15: 42
      That's what we are doing right now
      1. +1
        3 September 2012 15: 58
        Quote: Steam Train
        That's what we are doing right now

        And what is its performance characteristics? (It is interesting to compare with the classic vessels of the corresponding category).
      2. +1
        3 September 2012 19: 04
        That's what we are doing right now
        But as a lifeguard, he is very interesting. And as a drummer, no. For now.
  27. Nechai
    +2
    3 September 2012 15: 47
    Quote: Arkan
    Interesting - why not build at least a rescue ekranoplan?

    Sergey, and they built it. It is in the version of the sea, ocean lifeguard. With honey and diving equipment. The corps was made of groundwork and the financing was covered. The calculation was on the creation of the INTERNATIONAL Emergency Rescue Service of the World Ocean. Several ekranoplanes located in the corresponding coastal points would cover the entire water area. But who will go on the tse, if the Russians would provide the entire World Marine Spas. Service.
    Quote: Steam Train
    Well u VVA14, the problem was with separation from water (as well as at KM), since the water resistance is too strong.

    Eugene, this is true only for the BUILT-IN and I am testing a model of VVA-14, an intermediate version. And the final one Vertically Soaring Amphibian was not created, due to the lack of the necessary engines
    1. 0
      3 September 2012 15: 54
      Nechai,
      Quote: Nechai
      and they built it

      Times change if Russia organized its own effective rescue service - I think ekranoplanes would eventually become in demand on the market.
    2. 0
      3 September 2012 23: 19
      Quote: Nechai
      And the final Vertically Taking Off Amphibian was not created, due to the lack of the necessary engines
      Well, we can say that everything we have on the papers is the coolest. Only there are many but. I always tell my own myself until you see how it works, it's only your dreams.
  28. Nechai
    +1
    3 September 2012 16: 20
    Quote: Arkan
    if Russia organized its own effective rescue service, I think ekranoplanes would eventually become in demand on the market as well.

    Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, as the President of the Russian Federation, so aimed the leadership of the aircraft building corporation - you need to build your planes, but do not intersect with American and European corporations, do not create competition for them.
    And to develop a new non-analog direction THIS HOW MUCH DARKNESS AND DECISION, the king of the mountain must have!?!?!?!
    1. +2
      3 September 2012 16: 58
      Quote: Nechai
      you need to build your planes, but do not intersect with American and European corporations, do not create competition for them.

      Ignore an unoccupied segment of the market (having such achievements on hand), not to mention the potential combat capabilities of ekranoplanes - I don’t even know what to say .. (((
  29. +1
    3 September 2012 16: 27
    Times have changed long ago and if ekranoplans like the "Orlyonok" were worked out to the required condition, produced in series and provided with the necessary warranty and other maintenance, they would be happy to buy in many countries that have long sea borders or large inland water bodies. Moreover, they would buy primarily for solving everyday and not military tasks (border protection, fighting smugglers and pirates, rescue service, etc.). The market, like the East, is a delicate matter. When there is nothing to offer, who will buy this nonexistent?
    And about who and when ditched ekranoplanes in Russia. In my opinion, they began to be crushed even under Gorshkov, who, in principle, supported the development of such a technique. But there was also a problem in the fact that the General Staff of the Navy did not have a consensus about these "flyers" and it was not even clear to what class they were assigned. The sailors believed that it was an airplane, and the pilots, on the contrary, that it was a ship. So the idea flooded. And when Alekseev was gone and Gorshkov went on a well-deserved rest, he was generally buried. And generally speaking. It was very difficult to break through a new idea in those days. They looked back at the Americans and their allies in everything. Now, if they started doing something, then we need it. After all, the Americans will not throw money down the drain in vain. So they monkeyed, burying many of their unique developments to which the Americans were then like the moon.
    1. +1
      3 September 2012 20: 59
      Quote: gregor6549
      And they monkeyed, burying many of their unique developments to which the Americans then were like before the moon.

      And to many of them and now as to the moon .... Yes
      1. 0
        3 September 2012 23: 49
        Exactly "+" It is a pity that they do not allow to deliver
  30. +2
    3 September 2012 17: 07
    And yet, do not be afraid of competition. It only benefits. But when there is no competition, then miracles begin with the launch of missiles at a distance and not at a point with given coordinates. As the famous cat said, "We need your Haiti. We are well fed here too."
  31. Sober
    +1
    3 September 2012 17: 38
    I have one feeling and it does not speak, but it is not silent, it screams, Uraaaaaa !! finally remembered them! It is high time! for patrolling the coastal zones along the entire length of the best means you can imagine and firepower can scare almost anyone and spit on underwater forces, horseradish steal!

    ps
    Does this mean, but not only that, Russia is going up! if you take a look at everything that happened after 2003 and in what hadnice we had beaten before since 1989, we will see the prerequisites for the revival of the Great Empire! although until a complete revival for a long time! but already, already somehow we are starting to kick, move ... oh, well, it’s becoming good on the soul !!!
  32. +1
    3 September 2012 17: 47
    ekranoplanes became a burden for the military - "neither ships, nor airplanes, and it is not clear what to do with them."

    This is the whole point, no one wants to think, and how to offer something new?
    But what if ?
    What if ?
    Without the new, it’s somehow calmer!
  33. nickname 1 and 2
    0
    3 September 2012 17: 59
    This thing falls out of the strategy and tactics of using defensively offensive weapons of aircraft carriers and other large ships. It is necessary to write to develop, etc. How to write? Must learn! Where to study? How to protect yourself from it? How to attack?
    That's what the dog rummaged through! Or am I wrong?
    After all, THIS is a new weapon capable of delivering a crushing blow to aircraft carriers! Is not it? This is what shocked both NATO and the USA. smile
  34. Nechai
    +2
    3 September 2012 18: 01
    Quote: gregor6549
    But there was also a problem in the fact that the General Staff of the Navy did not have a consensus about these "flyers" and it was not even clear to what class they were assigned. The sailors believed that it was an airplane, and the pilots, on the contrary, that it was a ship. So the idea flooded

    Gregory, the same situation was mirrored in industry. The shipbuilders pushed aside, they say - the ekranoplan flies? Flies! Let the aircraft builders do it. Well those - floating? Floats! Let the shipbuilders tense up. And such a situevina in the late 70s was not only on this topic. When the Milians came to the Minister of Electronic Industry to place an order for the creation of a system that would ensure the Mi-24 all-weather, round-trip flight, work at night (Mi-28N), he sent them on a long pedestrian route. "Pal Osipych (Sukhoi) ate all my brains with his PUMP! And here you and your little pummy have snagged!" This is the position of the state leader! But from all sides it is a sound initiative, beneficial for everyone. And the task is essentially already SOLVED! Only adaptation is needed! And of course the expansion of production capacity, but it was not there. Completely turned inside out, turned upside down, the system is in a swing !!!!
    1. nickname 1 and 2
      0
      3 September 2012 18: 56
      Nechai,

      Alas! It was, in that part, that the rulers sat on the kings by this or that and for any reason pushed off from any (ingenious or not very elaborate).
      Sometimes I was surprised at such behavior. Complete selfishness!
      And not only THIS did not find embodiment, there were other very original things, but everyone was still thinking about his chair and party card!
      And what if I don’t pull it ... they will take away the membership card, and with it the chair.
      But you can’t configure all design bureaus and plants.
      1. +2
        3 September 2012 19: 26
        The problem is as follows. WIG is an offensive weapon, and very formidable. But in Russia, generals are used to investing loot in the protection of their precious w ...... So we can argue for a long time but we will never know the truth.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +3
          3 September 2012 19: 42
          Eugene! You are more in the know. But the Caspian monster and carrying capacity is pretty decent. Like a landing vehicle. As a lifeguard with a large set saved. funds. Yes, and Lun in its TTD is high. Not economical, but in case of force majeure they don’t think about saving.
          1. +2
            3 September 2012 20: 22
            ETOGES how much anti-missile, anti-aircraft, radar-suppressing and other crap can stick !!! It’s a mobile, sabotage army can just drop by the gulls))) well, so we drove by laughing The unit is excellent, MULTI-PURPOSE, necessary, even in small quantities.
            1. +2
              3 September 2012 22: 07
              Quote: Strezhevchanin
              ETOGES how much anti-missile, anti-aircraft, radar-suppressing and other crap can stick !!! It’s a mobile, sabotage army can just drop on a seagull)))
              You're right. But in Russia so far he has no future, much to my regret.
              Quote: Captain Vrungel
              . But the Caspian monster and carrying capacity is pretty decent. Like a landing vehicle. As a lifeguard with a large set saved. funds. Yes, and Lun in its TTD is high

              Yuri, I will repeat it again. Our genes do not understand how valuable this device is. They just leaked it. It’s better to buy a Mistral than to do your and promising.
              1. nickname 1 and 2
                -1
                4 September 2012 11: 15
                Locomotive,

                Uh, sure!
                But in fact, for what the Americans demanded that our destroy it?
                Maybe for the fact that he will cause us a lot of trouble? bully
            2. nickname 1 and 2
              -1
              4 September 2012 11: 11
              Strezhevchanin,
              Both I and I have the same opinion! laughing
  35. +1
    5 September 2012 04: 23
    And more about superiority and licking minke. So far, alas, it is not the striped whales who have to lick their lips. And it is more than premature to talk about superiority over them. It would be here to restore to an acceptable level what was during the "heyday of stagnation", although this task is still very difficult. And even at that glorious time it was difficult to boast of special superiority even in any one area. Tanks, for example, seemed to be doing quite good, and then they burned with a blue flame from such small ATGMs. Yes, and the experience of the Second World War showed that technological / technical superiority (even if someone has it in some form) is a temporary thing and can be quickly reduced to zero by the opposite side. Dialectics, in kind. So there is no need for premature enthusiasm.