The American company offered the Ukrainian Air Force F-16 fighters

Foreign media publish information that an American company has made an offer to Ukraine on the supply of fighters. As it turns out, we are talking about the Lockheed Martin company.

On the pages of the Defense Blog, it is reported that this American company has offered the Ukrainian Air Force to purchase a batch of 4th generation F-16 fighters from it. It is noted that the Ukrainian side was offered F-16 aircraft in the Block 70/72 modification.

From the report:

Ukraine is striving to modernize its air force. In this regard, the F-16 Block 70/72 aircraft have been proposed, which will allow it to carry out such an upgrade in the best possible way.

Western media say that American fighters will help Ukraine replace the fleet of "old Soviet Su-27 aircraft." At the same time, it is indicated that Kiev "does not want to cooperate with Moscow in terms of updating these aircraft, but has chosen a course of partnership with NATO and the transition to NATO standards." In this regard, as indicated, Ukraine "needs to pay attention to the air component."

Western experts:

Turkish Bayraktars have already been purchased for the Ukrainian Air Force. It makes sense to purchase aircraft made by a NATO country.

As an option, it is the American F-16s that are being discussed. However, there is no data yet on the price at which these fighters are offered to Ukraine. But it is known that Lockheed Martin declares its readiness to give Kiev a choice: to acquire new or used F-16s.

Comments

[Mountain shooter]

So free or for free? And if for money, then for someone else's. I feel sorry for my

[alex neym_2]

Do you have your own money? Or is the gold reserve not measured? His junk flies into a pretty penny (but does not fly), and then he will roll up a used one from the master's shoulder, gnawed by a moth ... one million antimole will go away, but it will remain in the Maldives ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: aleks neym_2

Do you have your own money? Or is the gold reserve not measured? His junk flies into a pretty penny (but does not fly), and then it rolls up from the master's shoulder, gnawed by a moth ... one million antimole will go away,

They want to update - their business ...
as soon as the old one is not "groaned" and the new one is not received in return.
Nobody will supply for free, but in fact there is nothing to pay with.

[Lionnvrsk]

On the pages of the Defense Blog, it is reported that this American company has offered the Ukrainian Air Force to purchase a batch of 4th generation F-16 fighters from it.

Some time ago, svidomye rode with joy that the Americans will provide them with F-35s. For free, of course! Even then I prophesied that the Americans would have different tactics. First, they impose also not cheap (with all the markups, training, infrastructure, etc.) F-16, and only then as a kind of
promotion, even more expensive 35th. So let them jump on!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

No, well, if the "great-breeds" have extra money ... Only forty on the tail brought that the treasury of Pan-Ataman Zelya is empty, the IMF does not give anything, Zelya is even going to lease railway stations and just pushed a law through the Rada in order to clean the pockets of wealthy fellow citizens with the help of the tax authorities ... stock !!!

[Oleg Aviator]

Block 70/72 is far from a mole. A very suitable modification capable of working both in the air and on the ground. Even if it is with a resource that has not been killed. Another question is urine enough for puppies to keep them?

[NEOZ]

Quote: Oleg Aviator

Another question is urine enough for puppies to keep them?

Well, Iraq can ... so they can!

[vegan]

Used aircraft will be donated free of charge, on terms of pre-sale repair in the States at the expense of the Outskirts. Our Serbia also delivered. Only such a solution to the problem will not last long. But there is no money for new ones in the outskirts and is not expected. We'll have to come to terms.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vegan

Used for free on terms of pre-sale repair in the States at the expense of the Outskirts.

Americans for nothing? In their "public toilet" they have a napkin or a piece of toilet paper, the machine gives out for 20 cents.

[vvvjak]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So free or for free?

So we still need pilots and technicians for free, spare parts, weapons, etc.

[NIKN]

I counted on copper, Ukraine's Wishlist is approaching US defense spending. Pull?:))

[vvvjak]

Quote: NIKNN

Pull?:))

My wife works with children with special needs (in a simple way, deaf or deaf and dumb). In general, the children are good, but there are certain nuances. For example, they believe that everyone around them (teachers, government, parents, etc.) owes them, because are disabled from childhood. And this belief is very difficult to overcome, given that they live and communicate in their inner world. So, representatives of the Ukrainian authorities very often resemble such children from the "country of the deaf".

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Children with whom your spouse works - happiness and health. But the outskirts are a separate category of people. Outwardly, they are the same as we are, but by nature they have a complex of their own inferiority. Hence the constant desire to stand out from the general mass and the demands that everyone humiliates them and everyone should. Add to this a very low level of intelligence due to a narrow outlook and you get their characteristic features: greed, money-grubbing, envy, nodhalivage and thirst for theft. And those on the outskirts, according to my observations, are about 80 percent. I often visited there and was convinced that I was right. Plus to this, the bulk of citizens are people from villages and farms, with all the ensuing aspects in the way of thinking, habits, and so on ... So we get a portrait of a gramarian in Ukraine, And this is not cured.

[NEOZ]

Quote: vvvjak

For example, they believe that everyone around them (teachers, government, parents, etc.) owes them, because are disabled from childhood.

yes you read the comments! here 70% think that they are not given enough !!!!!

[Piramidon]

Quote: NIKNN

I counted on copper, Ukraine's Wishlist is approaching US defense spending. Pull?:))

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: vvvjak

So we still need pilots and technicians for free, spare parts, weapons, etc.

Also supply everyone with lard ...

[Torins]

Ukraine will be completely ruined with these planes. This is the retraining of all personnel, the purchase of infrastructure, its maintenance and maintenance of the aircraft themselves. If you want to completely ruin a poor country - give it a cruiser))

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Torins

Ukraine will go bankrupt with these planes ...

Well, you don't need to interfere with them - they want F-16 block123, let them do it like that, they want 600, let it be 600: any whim for your money Or do they still think that they will be given everything like that? Naive, let them at least look at the Balts

[Real Pilot]

And then these F-16s, after the capture of Kiev, will be given for overflight at the LII them. Gromova.
Well, for analysis at the Sukhoi Design Bureau.
We will have a squadron of "aggressors" too.

Our specialists, of course, have seen such planes, but to disassemble each screw - I'm not sure!
Block 70/72 is an interesting option to explore.

[210ox]

Yes, for the sake of Russophobia, I don't mind any show-off. A dozen letaki will be singled out as help.

[fruc]

Mountain shooter
I feel sorry for my

After all, we have Gazprom, and they will pay with its money. They give money to everyone over the hill.

[xorek]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So free or for free? And if for money, then for someone else's. I feel sorry for my

Naturally, someone else's uncle pays (overseas) .. The news is not very good for Russia and especially for the Donbass .. I think Russia has leverage to prevent this. It's not evening and I think this is just an assumption in the article to annoy Russia.

[keeper03]

What else can they offer ?!

[boris epstein]

During the Great Patriotic War, the citizens of the USSR voluntarily gave money and values ​​to the Red Army. The people of Ukraine have nothing to give; they have nothing to take away from them either. So isn't it time to shake the money to those who robbed from the same people in 30 years of nezalezhnost? But it won't. The power of its own will not shake. Therefore, it is unlikely that the fighters will be purchased from the United States. But whether the United States will give these planes to Ukraine for nothing is a big question.

[Egoza]

Obviously, they will take the second-hand, and say that they are new. But what a naive American company! This is how they will be paid for them. However, the United States promised to throw some money, maybe they will give a couple of planes on account of this.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Boris Epstein

The people of Ukraine have nothing to give

Nothing like that.
Every citizen of ukraine pays a tax on the maintenance of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on all their income. Including from the rental of serials on Russian TV channels.
So not only Ukrainians, but we, the Russians, pay.
And those who robbed .... so not for the purpose of the Maidan staged, Schaub shares.

[boris epstein]

The tax is paid only by OFFICIALLY working and ONLY from the white salary - 1,5 percent of the OFFICIAL salary. And since OFFICIAL working minuscule and part of the money is received in envelopes, then for the military budget this is a drop in the ocean.

[1536]

How is it nothing, nothing left? There is also the land, the glorious Ukrainian black soil. There is a lot of it, and genetically modified crops require a large amount of land for crop rotation. There is wood, coal, iron and manganese ores, titanium, zirconium, germanium, mercury, gold, graphite, shale, peat, salt. Continue? You can also extract shale gas in a barbaric way without looking back at anyone else. And for all this wealth, you can "pay" a dozen others, for example, planes, to amuse the local inhabitants of these lands so necessary for the United States.

[boris epstein]

This is not money, but POTENTIAL money. To get income, you need to invest, invest and invest there, because the industry is destroyed. Forest. Look at the map of Ukraine from space. How many BALD places there was a forest? Mines. How many are left in the LPNR (and from there Ukraine will not receive anything) and how many WORKERS on the territory of Ukraine? Gold. Gold mining at existing deposits in the Dnepropetrovsk, Chernigov and Muzhilovsky deposits in Western Ukraine is unprofitable. Salt. The Artyomsol association cut 600 workers back in March. Mercury. Mercury ore - cinnabar - is mined and processed at the Gorlovka-Gorlovsky mercury plant. There, too, Ukraine zas. Titanium. Yes, Ukraine can mine titanium ore. But the ore is processed on the territory of Russia, in the Crimea. And Russia owns titanium processing technologies. Russia, on the other hand, supplies the entire world with titanium components for aircraft manufacturing companies in the world, including the United States and Great Britain. Agricultural land. World companies ALREADY act like Hitler - they cut off the black earth layer, load it into wagons and forward to Europe. Not with a stuffed animal, so with a carcass. Barbaric methods are used to extract amber, and nothing goes to the treasury. In addition, this is trade in RAW MATERIALS, and not in products of a large processing. Trade in raw materials, and then buy finished products from our own raw materials?

[1536]

In order to invest, American companies must make sure that their investments will not go anywhere and will work for them, make a profit. They have money, if necessary, they will print more. There is one "but". There must be a full guarantee against revolutions, wars, with a full optimization of the size of the local population, which at the same time will be brought to a state of readiness for everything that is offered or given. True, there is also an occupation option, when stability is supported by the introduction of military contingents to ensure order. Well, according to the type of "new order", which was somehow introduced by the Germans during the occupation of Ukraine in 1941-1944. But in the next 10-15 years, the Americans are unlikely to go to such extreme measures. They are still afraid of a response from Russia. But is it possible to dream, to build business plans for the future?

[boris epstein]

Well, I’m almost the same. The United States will not go to the occupation, especially Europe. There is no guarantee against revolutions and civil wars. And there are no guarantees that the authorities will be able to curb their corruption. The population is boiling inside, but it doesn’t spill out YET. DNR and LNR-already cut off a chunk. Dreaming is not harmful, it is harmful not to dream.

[1536]

As for me, I believe in the Ukrainian people who will not allow themselves to be exterminated. The instinct of self-preservation has to work someday. I visited Ukraine for a long time, back in Soviet times. ... And if the people "boil", as you say, then all is not lost yet. Now only rumors get through what is going on there.
I’m talking about the land, why did I touch on the question, because at yesterday's meeting the US President said bluntly that the rest of the "civilization" needed from Russia — land. Old man, why should he hide? And the United States is allegedly ready to provide some technologies for the "development of the Russian economy." What technologies that Russia would not know about, I do not know. The mention of Russian lands is not a figure of speech, because Ukraine has already paid for the fact that foreigners rule on its land, but the people from this have nothing and will not have anything, except for hard work for scanty money or some kind of military "toys" ...

[boris epstein]

So the West for centuries needed Russian lands and Russian slaves working for the euro ... of a "white" master. And for centuries the West has tried to tear Russia apart. Ukraine paid for its separation from the single centuries-old body of the peoples of Russia.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Isn't it time to shake the money to those who robbed from the same people for 30 years of nezalezhnost?

Tse is impossible, they have long been on the "historical", from where they do not give out.
Yes, they do not allow to shell out.

[boris epstein]

Well, suppose there are also a lot of them in London, Cyprus, Spain, Germany, Switzerland.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Well, suppose there are also a lot of them in London, Cyprus, Spain, Germany, Switzerland.

Many where not few ... even in penguinia, ...
but not issued from a specific location.

[fuffi]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So free or for free? And if for money, then for someone else's. I feel sorry for my

to undress to the end of the pots, they will be given credit. so that not only LM will work, but also American banks. there the narot lives in poverty, but America will be sponsored until their last pants are taken off.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: fuffi

to undress to the end of the pots, they will be given credit. so that not only LM will work, but also American banks. there the narot lives in poverty,

Well, as if for reference:
The average salary in Ukraine is $ 470, in Russia it is $ 660, but electricity is 1% cheaper in Ukraine than in EnergoSuch.
To argue that Ukrainians in relation to Russians live in poverty is controversial, I would say so, balancing not in favor of Ukraine.

[Dym71]

Quote: saturn.mmm

but electricity is 1% cheaper in Ukraine than in EnergoStainiz.

It would be nice to exchange proofs.
Tula - 3,20 per kWh I'm paying now, 3,36 rubles. I will pay from 01.07. this year

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Dym71

It would be nice to exchange proofs.

average in Russia 4,5 per kW * according to data from the Internet.
The main thing in my presentation is:

To argue that Ukrainians in relation to Russians live in poverty is controversial, I would say so, balancing not in favor of Ukraine.

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: saturn.mmm

The average salary in Ukraine is $ 470, in Russia it is $ 660, but electricity is 1% cheaper in Ukraine than in EnergoSuch.

Some kind of average balance is still to be brought together, brought down and brought down ...

[Vasya_20]

What $ 470 average salary in Ukraine are you talking about? The average salary in Ukraine is $ 250-300, if good, then yes, $ 400-500, which is hardly enough only to pay for communal services and somehow for food, but many do not. And pensioners have a pension, if it is good, it is $ 120-150, and the average in Ukraine, somewhere around $ 100, and many have it for $ 50, им so they generally have a "fun" life, just happy!
They already have a gas price of 12,5 hryvnia. per cubic meter (this is about 33 rubles) from May 1, ▬ 10,5 hryvnyas, this is the price of gas itself and plus about 2 more hryvnias, a monthly fee + transportation (such a know-how, for pumping out additional money from the population) ...
Electricity will already be from 1 July to 4 UAH. per kilowatt (that's almost 11 rubles), not UAH 1,68. for now, for now; water, too, has risen in price due to the rise in price of el-va ▬ from 20 to 60 UAH. per cubic meter (from 55 to 160 rubles), depending on the city or town. Gasoline and diesel so far are about UAH 30. per liter (this is more than 80 rubles), but everyone is waiting for a rise in price and will be at least 35-40 hryvnyas (110 rubles !!!), or even more expensive, due to the shutdown of gasoline supplies from Belarus and the diversion of the flow of "Rosneft" to the Azeri, Aliyev company-laying "Sokar".
And ordinary people in Ukraine now really have nowhere to go, even those who go to Europe to earn money, they must be taxed according to the new, already "green" ukrozakons, and only the income tax is 18% of the accrued earnings, plus mandatory payments: 1,5 , 22% military tax, XNUMX% ERUs to the pension fund, etc.
So on the outskirts already a real ass has come to everyone, without exception, except for the maydaunny power elite!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Vasya_20

What $ 470 average salary in Ukraine are you talking about?

Official data from the Internet.

Quote: Vasya_20

And pensioners have a pension, if it is good, it is $ 120-150, and the average in Ukraine, somewhere around $ 100, and many have $ 50 each.

According to the same official data, the minimum pension at Ukran is $ 65

Quote: Vasya_20

Electricity will already be from 1 July to 4 UAH. per kilowatt (that's almost 11 rubles), not UAH 1,68. for now for now

But today, UAH 1,68, right?

Quote: Vasya_20

And ordinary people in Ukraine now really have nowhere to go

Welcome to Russia.

[saturn.mmm]

I forgot to state.
In 2014, I also thought Ukraine would end, but only Ukraine has been dying for seven years, under Poroshenko they said it would die, then under Zelenskiy, the stupid prime minister was the khan's economy, the servants of the people were corrupt to the khan's country, and Ukraine all dies and dies a year year.

[suhorukofal]

And Ukraine will not be allowed to die, and will be kept in a half-dead state. It was not for this that so much money was invested, the right people were brought in, so that in 7 seven years they would let all this die. The Anglo-Saxons have a rich experience of extracting resources from the colonies and it is not a big task to stretch them for 10-20 years.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: suhorukofal

And Ukraine will not be allowed to die, and will be kept in a half-dead state.

The difference in salaries and various utilities between Russian citizens and Ukrainians does not differ significantly, in Russia the situation looks better by 20 percent, but it is still comparable.
The question is, if Ukraine is robbed by the Anglo-Saxons, then who is robbing Russia?

[Avior]

Ek you compose healthy
There is no single gas price in Ukraine, different suppliers have different

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Avior

Ek you compose healthy

There was talk about electricity.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Better to let the F-35 buy 1000 aircraft, as well as patriots of 50 divisions.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

Better to let the F-35 buy 1000 aircraft, as well as patriots of 50 divisions.

Ukraine does not have so much black soil.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Offended Ukraine. The junk was offered. Have Fu-35 been clamped? Already Greeny will be offended! He floods with his feet.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Cat Alexandrovich

The junk was offered. Have Fu-35 been clamped?

Do you give out new things to the poor?

[tihonmarine]

Turkish Bayraktars have already been purchased for the Ukrainian Air Force. It makes sense to purchase aircraft made by a NATO country.

We say planes "made by NATO," but we sell US planes. Competent wiring, counting on the greed of "Svidomo", knowing that they will bite. And then, according to the knurled scheme of "wiring suckers", they stick the product. In the textbook "Economic Killer" it is spelled out point by point.
Here I can only wish good luck .... only to Lockheed Martin.

[mitroha]

Quote: tihonmarine

We say planes "made by NATO", but we sell US planes

So they honestly said not "NATO countries", but "NATO countries" And in general they need more

[AC130 Gunship]

On a.b. The Davis-Montan of these second-hand F16s stand ranks. Peel off the blue tape and send
But, on the other hand, Canada 5 years ago already offered them old F18s for free. Ukraine did not take it. Very expensive service

[tralflot1832]

The F16 block 70/72 plane is not a bad plane, for example, for Bulgaria at $ 157 million apiece, there are no second-hand killed in the world. They will last, enough for one plane. Quite an emergency plane due to one engine.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: tralflot1832

Quite an emergency plane due to one engine.

And here is more detailed please.

[tralflot1832]

See the statistics?

[URAL72]

Since the beginning of operation, 671 crashes of the F-16 Fighting Falcon were recorded, in which 208 pilots and 98 people were killed in the crash zones. "distinguished" the American Air Force, which lost 286 aircraft. The combat losses of the F-16 for the entire time of participation in local wars amounted to about 160 fighters.
in Bulgaria, the President suspended the execution of a $ 1,256 billion contract for the purchase of eight F-16 Block 70/72 due to the fact that guarantees and post-warranty service were not clearly spelled out in the text of the agreement. On the other hand, one should be aware of the fact that the United States went to meet Bulgaria in every possible way, reducing the initial contract price by $ 417 million. On a possible contract with Slovakia: 14 F-16V Block 70/72 Viper fighters for $ 2,91 billion, or $ 207 million for the delivery set.

Will not pull. If only in installments, but even optimists understand that Ukraine may not last long, and budget revenues will even decrease due to the loss of transit.

[Avior]

The number itself does not say anything.
It is necessary to take into account the raid and conditions - hostilities, for example

[Keyser soze]

Bulgaria, President Suspends $ 1,256 Billion Contract for Purchase of Eight F-16 Block 70/72

Dear .... in Bulgaria, the president can stop .... well, about a taxi on the street. And FSE. Someone has deceived you terribly.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Keyser Soze

Someone has deceived you terribly.

https://www.dw.com/ru/парламент-болгарии-преодолел-вето-президента-на-закупку-f-16/a-49759773
The German wave, aka Deutsche Welle. she is Deutsche Welle. True, it is a long-standing affair of 2019, but Radev did indeed veto the deal, even though the parliament overcame this veto.

[Keyser soze]

True, a long-standing affair, 2019, but Radev really vetoed

I didn’t even know that this deal was passed by law, and not by a contract between the powers. I'm flying to apologize to a colleague.

[Keyser soze]

Bulgaria, the president has suspended the execution of a contract worth 1,256

Colleague Ural ... mea culpa, I confess, you are right. A colleague from below corrected me. I didn’t know that the deal was done by law and not by contract.

Generally, accept my apologies.

[URAL72]

No problems.

[alexey2073]

I only have the impression that Ukrainians are bred like rabbits? And for all the "gifts" and "lucrative" offers they will have to pay a very high price?

[Burtas]

Yes ... yes .. take this junk, also modernized, or maybe not new ... shoot it down like from a slingshot of pigeons,

[Zaurbek]

Quite a logical course of events ... but I think there will be used F16 ... and the question is, who pays ?!

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Zaurbek

Quite a logical course of events ... but I think there will be used F16 ... and the question is, who pays ?!

The main question is different: for what?

[Zaurbek]

For the sake of resolving the issue with the DPR ...

[DymOk_v_dYmke]

Quote: Zaurbek

For the sake of resolving the issue with the DPR ...

We don't need such a solution.

[Zaurbek]

Yes, but if they have aviation ... the "miners" themselves will not be able to cope ...

[Avior]

New or used - you need to watch the full price
And so the plane is very good, the question of price, of course

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Great offer! Exchange used airplanes, best of all, for land. Taking into account that all the forelock are excellent farm laborers in the EU, the need for land has disappeared by itself. The motto: ,, the forehead neighbor! Strengthen your defenses against Putin's aggression! ,,)

[Tagan]

Lockheed Martin, then? I'm even really worried about Nelokh. These guys have not been bred yet))

[cniza]

Lockheed Martin declares its readiness to give Kiev a choice: to acquire new or used F-16s.

They will ask for free ...

[Sands Careers General]

And it will be a pitiful sight))

a couple of fighters with expired missiles will definitely do great again

[abc_alex]

Quote: Sands Career General

And it will be a pitiful sight))
a couple of fighters with expired missiles will definitely do great again

What rockets? What are you?
The Statesmen do not sell ammunition vehicles straight away. Airplanes - separately, missiles - separately. See how the Poles swooped in on it

[fuffi]

Quote: saturn.mmm

Quote: fuffi

to undress to the end of the pots, they will be given credit. so that not only LM will work, but also American banks. there the narot lives in poverty,

Well, as if for reference:
The average salary in Ukraine is $ 470, in Russia it is $ 660, but electricity is 1% cheaper in Ukraine than in EnergoSuch.
To argue that Ukrainians in relation to Russians live in poverty is controversial, I would say so, balancing not in favor of Ukraine.

yes we know. this is how to count)))) but for some reason not Russians massively work in the fields of Poland, poor by European standards, as agricultural workers or wash their backs in European shelters. and go to Russia to work.
keep watching

[Constanty]

The fact is that in this poor Poland, the national average is $ 1000 net (about $ 1250 gross), and the minimum is about $ 550 net.

Of course, the cost of living for a Pole is much higher than in Ukraine, but working overtime and eating mostly potatoes and onions can save a Ukrainian a lot.
Be that as it may, Poland is often just a stopover in front of Germany.

[TermNachTer]

Taking into account the cost of rebuilding the infrastructure, retraining l / s, purchasing spare parts and weapons, we can immediately conclude that this is all from the area of ​​good intentions))))

[Vasya_20]

Back in 15, Kanadchina offered them, it seems, about 20 pieces. remove their used F / A-18C Hornet from service, write off and simply donate. So they (the ukromaydny authorities headed by the syvocholy Hetman Parashenko) then calculated how much it would cost them to maintain these aircraft, spare parts, repairs, create all the necessary infrastructure and retrain pilots, technicians, service personnel and others - and, of course, shed tears, as a result of refusing from this venture, due to the impossibility of paying for the entire banquet.
I doubt it will be any different this time!

Quote: vegan

Used aircraft will be donated free of charge, on terms of pre-sale repair in the States at the expense of the Outskirts. Our Serbia also delivered. Only such a solution to the problem will not last long. But there is no money for new ones in the outskirts and is not expected. We'll have to come to terms.

[Ryaruav]

There were few Soviet pilots left there, but the training of new ones went according to Soviet patterns and equipment, well, how immediately to block 70-72, and what about combat use? All satellites of the USA know English, but in three sisters with this weak. and among ias it's full of seams

[Bradley]

And why exactly 70/72: Ukraine and the 30th block will be enough. And the 30th costs a penny, the capabilities are quite at the level even today, it can work both on the ground and in the air. Although, if they need a fighter, then the 15th block is the most it. AMRAAM is unlikely to be sold to Ukraine, at best AIM-9M, so ...
And so - 50/52 - the best price / quality ratio.

[abc_alex]

Quote: Bradley

And why exactly 70/72: Ukraine and the 30th block will be enough. And the 30th costs a penny, the capabilities are quite at the level even today, it can work both on the ground and in the air. Although, if they need a fighter, then the 15th block is the most it. AMRAAM is unlikely to be sold to Ukraine, at best AIM-9M, so ...
And so - 50/52 - the best price / quality ratio.

You seem to have forgotten that we are not talking about the free choice of a paying client. Here the US determines what exactly ukram "sell". I am writing it in quotation marks, because it is obvious that Ukraine has no money to buy it, and in light of the expected reduction in revenues from gas transit, it will not appear. The country is in debt for the most I can not, and if they are given the F-16, then within the framework of military assistance, like Israel. That is, Congress allocates money from the US budget, Lohokid receives it into his accounts, allocates several planes, and transfers it to Ukraine. And no one will ask Zelensky what "bloc" he needs. They will give what they see fit. Fighter or not - the question will be what exactly Lohokid needs to work out for internal use.
However, it is unlikely that Ukraine will receive assistance in the same way as Israel. Most likely it will be formalized as a public debt.

[Nord11]

Lads, it is cheaper for many to buy hang-gliders - fuel is not a traba, a repair base is a woman with a needle and thread. The flight is silent, the radars are powerless, and the evil lad with grenades will set the enemies in heat!

[tolmachiev51]

It’s unpleasant !!! - they destroyed a country with such potential / times of the USSR / now they are pushing used trash and it seems for not weak money. The freeloaders were getting along.

[spech]

Quote: Torins

Ukraine will be completely ruined with these planes. This is the retraining of all personnel, the purchase of infrastructure, its maintenance and maintenance of the aircraft themselves. If you want to completely ruin a poor country - give it a cruiser))

That is why they only give them rubber boats.

[KLV]

Quote: NIKNN

I counted on copper, Ukraine's Wishlist is approaching US defense spending. Pull?:))

What is copper? And how do they count on it?

[Vasily Aliababaevich]

I propose to buy an f-35. He is only $ 220 million apiece.

[Markus wolf]

Better yet, the Wright brothers' planes ...

[Reserve buildbat]

"Free delivery" only for VERY big money. F-16 instead of Su-27. True, the Su-27 is an order of magnitude or two more effective and one and a half to two times cheaper than the F-16, but these are trifles. Now we also need to write off Antonov transport workers in bulk, and instead dial C-130