China begins assembly of a national orbital station

China begins assembling a new orbital station, the first manned spacecraft with three Chinese astronauts went into orbit. The launch was broadcast live by China Central Television.

The Changzheng 2F launch vehicle launched from the Jiuquan Cosmodrome in the Gansu province of northwestern China and launched the Shenzhou 12 manned spacecraft into orbit with three astronauts on board. The launch was made at 9.22 local time (4.22 Moscow time). As stated in the message of the flight program, the ship undocked safely and headed to the base module of the future orbital station of the PRC.

The ship's crew consists of three people, whose task will be to assemble the station and connect equipment delivered by cargo ships. The first cargo ship already docked to the base module of the station at the end of May, it delivered almost 6 tons of cargo. On board the truck are 1,95 tons of fuel and 4,69 tons of other cargo needed to stay at the station for three people for three months.

The Chinese orbital station will be smaller than the ISS and will consist of only three modules - one base Tianhe and two laboratory modules. In total, as part of the creation of the station, China plans to make 2021 space launches in the period 2022-11. Two of them have already been completed: the base module of the station was launched into space first in April this year, and a cargo ship was sent second at the end of May.

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[OgnennyiKotik]

It remains to congratulate China. Confidently take the first position in space. The only country in the world that has its own orbital station and a full cycle of production of rockets, satellites, interplanetary vehicles.

[NIKN]

Handsome men, what else to add ...

[vegan]

Handsome men? I hope Petrov and Boshirov have already received the assignment. And then, just what these copiers are thinking, create a space station, taking advantage of the moment when Roskosmos is busy building a new building for itself in the center of Moscow, recording songs and patents of Yuri Gagarin. I always knew that the Chinese are still scoundrels

[NIKN]

Quote: vegan

And then, look what these copiers are thinking,

How can you? they didn’t paint rockets for Gzhel, so that this is their national achievement.

[vegan]

Quote: NIKNN

How can you? they didn’t paint rockets for Gzhel

They also decided to hook us with this. Oh, I missed this moment. And yet, they defiantly refuse to invite priests to consecrate their missiles. This is a fat spit at us. But nothing, we'll figure it out, hehe

[paul3390]

Because - the Communist Party. The main goal is the prosperity of the country, and not like our liberals - their own pockets.

[OgnennyiKotik]

China is an advanced capitalist country with its own path. With the second largest number of billionaires (USA - 724, China - 626). The Communist Party or the liberals are not the essence, the question is in the development of private business. State corporations are a road to nowhere.

[paul3390]

Not. China is a country building socialism. How many times to repeat? And theirs billionaires are persons assigned to this role by the party and carrying out its own directives. Who forgets about it - the position of a billionaire is deprived. Jack Ma is an example to you.

And the entire Chinese type of private business is the flesh of the state. Without him, there would be no Huawei, etc.

[Vadim237]

Not. China is a country building socialism. How many times to repeat? Don't repeat this nonsense - and there are already more than 1000 billionaires in China.

[Ryaruav]

this is a new wave of NEP, and if it happened that there they quickly chop off the bosses

[URAL72]

In 2026, China and Russia will begin construction of the International Science Station on the Moon (MLNS) with a view to fully completing it by 2035. This was announced today, June 16, by the Deputy Head of the Moon Exploration Program of the National Space Administration of China (CNSA) Pei Zhaoyu
https://eadaily.com/ru/news/2021/06/16/cherez-pyat-let-kitay-i-rossiya-budut-stroit-sovmestnuyu-nauchnuyu-stanciyu-na-lune

Do not Cry. All that is needed is done. Do not forget - it was not only Russia that ruined its aerospace industry, much was lost as a result of the collapse of the union and remained abroad. Moreover, science is developing, so a lot needs to be done from scratch. And this is, first of all, just electronics, where we were not ahead of the planet. It is not easy, therefore not fast. But work is underway, including in the field of quantum computers. Funding is weak, but it is there. Would raise the salaries of engineers, otherwise they run to the foe. Well, the shortcomings ... And who does not have them? China has not created anything breakthrough - more and more copies and licenses. And we have our own processor architecture, they are not afraid of a virus from under "Windows". There are successes, it is too early to rub the rope with soap.

[Cosm22]

"China has not created anything breakthrough - more and more copies and licenses"?
Let's say.
And what has Russia created over the past 20 years?
The only achievement is that she did not destroy the legacy of the Queen-Chelomey-Glushko. But this is a dubious achievement. For why is the use of the production base, developments, ideas, scientific potential and experience of another country (USSR) better than copies and licenses? Nothing. The essence is the same.
From purely its own, conventionally Russian (minus engines) - one "Angara". Which, alas, is on the LCI. LCI is a very long process. With an unpredictable ending, by the way. Therefore, there is no reason to record "Angara" in the Russian treasury so far. And more, I repeat, for two decades the Russian Federation has not created anything of its own.
As for China, in many respects it has long bypassed not only Russia, but also the USSR in the space sphere.

[El Chuvachino]

Actually, developments, ideas, the production base of the USSR, etc., are all ours, Russia, as the legal successor. This is the development of our own technologies created by our own people, and not by some other people from another country. Putting this on a par with the purchase of a license and other people's technologies is the height of stupidity.

[Cosm22]

In general, the production base of the USSR is the result of the activities of 15 union republics.
Because Russia declared itself the legal successor of the USSR, the production base of the latter did not become purely Russian.
For some reason, we have not analyzed the successes of China since the times of the Shang or Xia dynasties. And we take the foreseeable period of time that we have personally lived. Specifically, the last 20 years.
China's successes are clear.
Where are the successes of Russia?
Can you list them point by point?
There is no need to mention the rearrangement of letters in the indices of the royal "seven" and the line of Glushko engines. I know all these "modernizations" and "modifications" by heart.
What, apart from this props and juggling with alphanumeric designations, does Russia have today for its soul?
What can be put next to the Chinese lunar rovers and rovers?
Hydrogen engines?
National OS?
Automatic docking in lunar orbit?
Delivery of lunar soil to Earth?
Already a flying heavy carrier?
A satellite for quantum information transfer?
Are all these Chinese achievements solely on licenses?
So maybe Russia should also start buying licenses and making copies? And not be proud of the right of succession? There will obviously be more sense, judging by the Chinese successes.

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: Cosm22

Because Russia declared itself the legal successor of the USSR, the production base of the latter did not become purely Russian.

How it became. Both legally and practically, we saw who in the USSR was the leader in space, given that none of the other republics has anything similar to a space program.

Quote: Cosm22

I know all these "modernizations" and "modifications" by heart.

Flaunting knowledge is not enough, you need at least a minimal understanding. There is nothing wrong with upgrades, especially when there is enough potential and it works.

Quote: Cosm22

Where are the successes of Russia?
Can you list them point by point?

Russia plays a key role in the construction of the ISS
Our ships like Progress MS-11 set speed records
GLONASS has been built and is developing

The development of the nuclear power plant is being completed and several other advanced projects are being developed, and all this with a much lower budget than competitors.

Quote: Cosm22

So maybe Russia should also start buying licenses and making copies? And not be proud of the right of succession?

No.

[Cosm22]

1. Will we compete in understanding the problems of the space industry? In technical details and subtleties? With numbers and specific meanings? I'm ready. Where do we start?
2. Pearl "Russia has a key role in the construction of the ISS" should be included in the category of nonsense "you can't imagine it on purpose." By the way, you shouldn't put such nonsense on public display and flaunt it. The key role in the construction of the ISS, let it be known to you, Mr. Great Space Specialist, was played by the United States.
The shuttles delivered the modules to the ISS under construction with a total weight of 312 tons. Progress - only 45,6 tons (4 modules, one of which, considered Russian, was built entirely with American money). The main financial expenses for the current operation of the ISS are borne again by the United States, which pays not only more than Russia, but also Russia and Europe combined. Never voice such nonsense anywhere else.
3. Who needs a Progress speed record? Is he on the race track?
4. GLONASS is better not to mention. I can explain his problems in detail. If the desire arises.
5. The development of the nuclear power plant has not really even begun. So far, everything is at the level of projections. And there is no need for future mythical achievements. Let us talk about how spacecraft will surf the Bolshoi Theater Rogozin, this is his role. We are talking about today's successes. The Chinese are there. Where are the Russians?
6. No? Those. Will we continue to rearrange the letters in the RN and KK indices? And pass it off as grandiose accomplishments?

[Cosm22]

I reread it and laughed myself. 45 Russian tons, of course, were removed by Protons.

[Vadim237]

The development of the nuclear power plant has not really even begun. She, if anything, started from 2010.

[Cosm22]

Uh-huh.
The development of "Angara" began in 1993. The development and installation of the long-suffering Science module took about the same amount of time. What are we to be proud of and brag about these long-term construction projects?
As for the nuclear power plant, I can describe in detail at what stage of "production" this product is.

[Vadim237]

Hydrogen engines? Why the hell are they needed - the infrastructure and fuel for their provision are more complicated and more expensive than the same oxygen kerosene RD 171MV, the power of which will last for several decades, and what is the point of spending hundreds of billions of rubles on creating a hydrogen generator for the first stage - the future is JRD and hydrogen for the upper stage is in the process of being created and in this respect it is economically justified. Already a flying heavy carrier? The heavy carrier Angara A5 has already flown 2 times this year and will fly for the third time. A satellite for quantum information transfer? In Russia, there is already a quantum communication system between cities - and no satellites are needed.

[Cosm22]

Yes ... It is sometimes difficult to have a conversation with amateurs.
You at least follow the work of your beloved Roscosmos. And ask why, one wonders, the hell RK plans to put RD-0150 on the third stage of the fifth "Angara". Maybe then you will understand how the "Angara", at least in theory, will be able to throw the declared 37 tons of PN on LEO.
And share the idea of ​​attaching the RD-171MV to the "Angara" with Rogozin. He will appreciate her. If you do not force you to learn materiel, in order to understand how the RN of the middle class differs from the heavy one. How does Soyuz-5 stand in the way of delivering modules to the OS?
Regarding the cryogenic infrastructure, something always bothers us, like some bells for a nasty dancer.
For some reason, neither the United States, nor Europe, nor China, nor Japan experience any difficulties in this regard.
As for the overclocker, I did not talk about what WILL BE (maybe). I talked about the fact that China already has it today. Can you catch the difference?
And don't write nonsense. The heavy carrier Angara A5 has NOT flown 2 times this year. Where do you live? The fifth Angara flew in December 2014 and December 2020. Everything, chief! Will it fly this year - grandmother said in two

[Vadim237]

Yes ... It is sometimes difficult to have a conversation with amateurs. That's really - especially with those who do not know how to read and come up with something - And ask why, I ask, does the hell RK plan to put the RD-0150 I just wrote about it about a hydrogen upper stage that it is economically justified and not justified to create oxygen hydrogen first stage
And share the idea of ​​attaching the RD-171MV to the "Angara" with Rogozin. He will appreciate her. If you do not force you to learn materiel, in order to understand how the RN of the middle class differs from the heavy one. How does Soyuz-5 stand in the way of delivering modules to the OS? - What did you write this for?
For some reason, neither the United States, nor Europe, nor China, nor Japan experience any difficulties in this regard. They have money for troubles - we don’t have money for this, everything is simple and there is no point in spending on really unnecessary complex crap when there is already a ready-made and cheap solution for kerosene-oxygen engines.
The heavy carrier Angara A5 has NOT flown 2 times this year. I never wrote that she flew twice this year, I wrote that she flew twice and this year she will fly for the third time.
Will she fly this year - grandmother said in two. Will fly or anything will happen to her - everything is ordered by MO - Everything, chief!

[URAL72]

You are either stupid or poorly informed. A new type of nuclear reactor is already under construction, which will use the spent fuel of the nuclear power plant. First in the world. This is truly a breakthrough. The 1st floating power plant in the world was built and is in operation. Domestic processors at the i5 level have been created, satellites have increased their active service life by 2-3 times, an industry for the production of composites has been created, new engines, - PD-14, product 30 is on the way, series VK-800-1600, PD-35, new alloys (Volgograd, armor 15% lighter). You can continue, but you have Yandex, and I don't want to start with a smart.

[Cosm22]

You are not mistaken in the heading?
Which of all of the above is related to the space theme, which is discussed in the article?
By the way, you forgot to mention that "there is an elder in the garden, and in Kiev there is an uncle."

[URAL72]

Can you read? Satellites, composites, a processor, new alloys - is there no way to go to space? Or do we have no plans for a space tug with a nuclear engine? I can remind you that your genius China simply copied Russian spacesuits, but nevertheless made the first spacewalk not in a copy, but in an imported original.

[slipped]

Quote: URAL72

Do you know how to read?

Does not know how He doesn't even see.

[Cosm22]

This is what I don't see, let me ask you?
Nonsense about armor?
About composites? Tell about all the problems with them? In details?
Fantasies about a space tug?
Epics from "Elbrus-16S"? Which should appear only supposedly in 2022? With the keyword "should"? With 16 nanometers?
Far-fetched to the space theme PD-14, VK-800-1600?
Why should I see all this nonsense, which has nothing to do with the note?

[Stopper Fan]

If you read you, we don't exist at all.

[Cosm22]

Well ... This is overkill.
I didn’t say that.
The legacy of the Soviet geniuses of cosmonautics is so powerful and capacious that, even today, Russia occupies a decent place in the world list of ranks.
The trouble is so far. While it takes.
The essence of all my remarks boils down to only one thing - Russia does not do everything that it could do. There is no forward movement. Like China. Like Musk. Some of our concepts are generally wrong.
And this is a dangerous condition. In less than ten years, the situation may change radically.

[T.A.V.]

I ask psrdon, for which I intervene. But then I read your discus and it became interesting to me. You all write what you can tell in detail about the problems of GLONASS, about composites. It became very interesting for me to read about these issues in detail.

[vadim dok]

Why then is Ragozin complaining about the sanctions? And satellites cannot be launched, because. there are no microcircuits, the USA does not sell! And where is import substitution?

[Vadim237]

There, problems in single microcircuits will be solved soon.

[Narak-zempo]

As you know, the "Savets" achievements are the achievements of the Russians in spite of the leadership of the USSR.
Concerns both space and victory in the war.
See "Penalty Battles" and "First Time" for self-education.

[T.A.V.]

Penalty battles and first time? Are you serious now? I hope it was sarcasm.

[Ryaruav]

Russia would have such copies and licenses

[Dikson]

.. And let yourself .. We have our own dances to balalaikas and khokhloma! Glory to Roskosmos and its great leader! Let's drive the Sea Launch to the North Pole! Near-earth orbits - for losers and catch-ups! Stop working as cabbies - it's time to invest in real estate!

[pytar]

China's successes in space, as in all other areas, are impressive! Lunar rover on the far side of the Moon, rover, rover and orbital station! Fun fact - several private Chinese companies are developing a reusable rocket launcher! Hardly anyone 30 years ago assumed that soon, in addition to astronauts and cosmonauts, there would also be taikonauts!

[vegan]

Oh, and all of them will finish badly. They will wait for Russia, in the end, to build a 500 megaton nuclear missile, in the form of a male genital organ, and launch it across Voronezh. And what, we are all the same to heaven. And they just die. Then they will know

[El Chuvachino]

Moderators, your troll escaped from the cage.

[klimalekc]

Well, all that remains is to congratulate the Chinese comrades.

[rotmistr60]

Well, what can I say. Patience and a little effort. We can only congratulate the Chinese - from fanza to an orbital station in several decades.

[gsev]

By the way, in parallel with the work with the orbital station, the Chinese are deeply modernizing their group of meteorological satellites. Perhaps in the near future they will be able to determine the position of underwater vehicles by the shape of sea waves.

[vegan]

Quote: gsev

Perhaps in the near future they will be able to determine the position of underwater vehicles by the shape of sea waves.

Kmk, fortune-tellers and psychics will be more accurate in detecting underwater vehicles than solving a puzzle of trillions of sea waves

[tralflot1832]

As I understand, the Chinese are now at the stage of Solut 1, the two modules will be docked almost World. They will run the technology and prepare, paint the Moon in the colors of the Chinese flag, with the inscription Earthlings! The Ministry of Defense of China warns that smoking is dangerous for your health!

[vegan]

Quote: tralflot1832

As I understand, the Chinese are now at the stage of Solut 1, the two modules will dock it will be almost Peace

And at what stage is Russia? At the stage of building the basement of a delineated no-man's palace in Gelendzhik or at the stage of laying the next superyacht in Germany?

[tralflot1832]

The Rotenberg family has a super palace in Genjik, thanks to them for the club in Sochi. And our guys are building superyachts for compatriots in Turkey. And are they building something for you? We've already passed the fireworks and Miras! Wait the ISS is being operated together. Do not count other people's money, but earn yourself, you have a head on what. What do we need and then launch? Here Sarmat will fly soon, this is a really necessary thing.

[vegan]

Quote: tralflot1832

Super Palace in Genjik at the Rotenberg family

Do not hilo guard the hero t Rotenberg ore: no-fly zone, FSO, water ban, etc.

Quote: tralflot1832

thanks to them for the club in Sochi.

Which one? Which plays at night in the underground hockey stadium next to the palace? I heard that their striker is outstanding. It happens that he scores 10 goals per game. Well done! But for some reason I don't see him in the national team. Probably cherished for a special match. Anyway. What's next?

Quote: tralflot1832

And our guys are building superyachts for compatriots in Turkey

Your guys? In Turkey? For compatriots? Benya, is it you? Didn't recognize you right away. Sorry. You will be rich! Although, much more then?
I see you haven't forgotten Russian yet. It's not for nothing that we offended you at school. Well, be healthy! But I better not get caught. I’ll hit it!

[tralflot1832]

Guys from the Far East, the Russians have a shipbuilding farm in Turkey. They build beauty for your money. Have you at least been near this palace? And my company participated in a tender for its equipment, believe further all kinds of FBK. Maybe all the same, stop envy, try to work and maybe you won't have to hit anyone.

[Bshkaus]

We have already passed fireworks and Miras! Wait the ISS is in operation

Yes, only the key elements have not changed: spacesuits are the same, water systems are the same, capsules are the same. It's like a fret nine "satellite" to lick the appearance, change the carburetor to an injector, put on a "europanel" (here motorists from the first half of the 14s will shudder from long-forgotten words and shake their heads sympathetically), embed the on-board computer and here it is - an innovative "Samara" XNUMXth model

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Quote: Bshkaus

Yes, only the key elements have not changed: spacesuits are the same

The Sokol-KV2 flight suits are an integral part of the Soyuz TM series spacecraft, the Soyuz MS spacecraft is a deep digital modification of the SoyuzTM spacecraft. Therefore, the same spacesuits are used there. As for the space suits for the Orlan EVA, the latest modification of the Orlan-ISS is with climate control and new polyurethane casings.

The Americans have their EMU - this is also a modification from the lunar spacesuits of the 60s.

Quote: Bshkaus

water supply systems are the same, capsules are the same.

In the ISS program, both we and the Americans use technologies from the 80s.

The Chinese use our, officially purchased or stolen, technologies and try to use those American technologies that also managed to steal, and directly from the lair itself.

[Bshkaus]

Orlan, the latest modification of Orlan-MKS - with climate control and new polyurethane casings.

1 - ASTR (automatic thermoregulation system) called climate control system or kondeem is not correct. In fact, this is just an additional unit that automatically switches the positions of the water cooling system, before that they switched to manual and on the Orlan ISS manual mode was saved, although I agree: ASTR significantly increased the comfort of work and removed unnecessary actions (I participated in the tests, I know on my own experience).
2-new casing - these are only new materials with slightly different properties and PPU welding technology. I wrote a conclusion on the sanitary and chemical assessment of the Orlan-ISS gas environment and participated in the tests, so you can not tell me about the innovations in this spacesuit

[slipped]

Quote: Bshkaus

although I agree: ASTR has significantly increased the comfort of work and removed unnecessary actions (I participated in the tests, I know from personal experience).

Our people do not understand such terrible words as "ASTR". But he understands climate control as a cool feature in a car. Therefore, it is easier to say that.

Quote: Bshkaus

you don't have to tell me about the innovations in this spacesuit

Then there is no need to say such strange things as "spacesuits are the same". It's just a given of this type of CC. There will be a PTK, there will be new flight suits, more precisely, there will be another sewing for "Cheget". Maybe they will finally cope with the sealed lightning Moiseev then inquired at his firm in the states.

[Bshkaus]

[Quote] ". Maybe they will finally cope with the sealed lightning. Moiseev then coped with his company in the states. [/ quote]
By the way, I am on excellent terms with Nikolai Moiseev. When there is time, with great pleasure we communicate via WhatsApp and online conferences - an interesting person
Under "Cheget" they are preparing "Sokol M" (main) and "Sokol MT" (tourist, if at all). "Emka" with a sealed zipper and with a polyurethane foam sheath, moreover, dimensionless with adjustable arms / legs. The idea is good and correct, the preparation technology will be greatly simplified: you do not need an individual casting of a lodgment like Kazbek, and this is time and money))) but again - Sokol K is a modification of the aviation falcon of the 60s
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[slipped]

By the way, it was amusing that in the Chinese version of the Falcon-KV2, the color palette of the headset is not black like we have now, but like the American astronauts from Apollo.

This is despite the fact that the rest of the palette is ours.

They also look like the old Soviet

[Paranoid50]

Quote: vegan

And at what stage is Russia?

The body only ate vegetables, and as a result became one of them.

[vegan]

Quote: Paranoid50

The body only ate vegetables, and as a result, it became one of them.

Posted by a person with the nickname Paranoid50

[alexey2073]

China has almost caught up with the leading space powers, not in all directions, but in many directions. And it has all the capabilities and means for the full cycle of production of various types of space vehicles and equipment.

[Cananecat]

In six months, a year, we should expect a breakthrough from the Chinese in the field of electronics and alloys.

[JD1979]

A natural result when the industry is run by specialists and not by feather sharks.

[vegan]

Quote: JD1979

A natural result when the industry is run by specialists and not by feather sharks.

After such a shame, if Rogozin were an honest officer, he would have shot himself at once.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: vegan

After such a shame, if Rogozin were an honest officer, he would have shot himself at once.

Honest people do not take root in the government.

[Mityay65]

About the trampoline is a very good joke with a large and long mname
Very funny. And immediately cleared the brains of a number of space exploration enthusiasts at NASA and the US Congress. Yankees remember her a decade later! And you remember, don't forget ...
So the joke about the trampoline went deep, well done Olegych

Quote: vegan

if Rogozin were an honest officer, he would have shot himself at once

And if I were in his place, I would first put out from Maxim all those who think that the joke about the trampoline is not funny.

[vegan]

Quote: Mityai65

About the trampoline this is a very successful joke with a large and long mname lol
Very funny.

Even some! Until now, in rogosmos, they roll on the floor with laughter. They can't work, they tweet all day long and laugh at themselves. In Petrosyans. The second channel would have them. A full house would explode with an influx of audience

[slipped]

Quote: vegan

Very funny.

For six years they rode the Americans on the trampoline on the ISS with laughter. The memory is short. Forgotten already?

[Bshkaus]

And if I were in his place, I would first put out from Maxim all those who think that the joke about the trampoline is not funny.
love

Do you really think so sincerely, or are you doing bravado in public?

[Mityay65]

You have to give the correct answer yourself. This is a threshold test.

[Split]

I played 1400 hours in KSP, but I never built a station, and then even China was ahead of me
Until now, rocket launches are mesmerizing .... it is a pity that the carriers did not see the launches. All that I saw was the launches of the Dnieper (civilian, so to speak, Voevods) ... 2 launches, one next to the mine a couple of kilometers away, and the 2nd - a rocket flying over the city ... mentally looking for a bomb shelter

[vegan]

Quote: Split

I played 1400 hours in KSP, but I never built a station, but here

Are you going to be a master of sports in KSP?

[Split]

Well, when they announce it as a sport ... then yes

[APASUS]

It is more interesting to read the official position of the US State Department on the launch. I think they will express concern about the aggressive policy of China and the seizure of space

[Sands Careers General]

China is right on our heels. You have to move, otherwise they will skip more.

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Quote: Sands Career General

China is right on our heels. You have to move, otherwise they will skip more.

Do we have a competition with them? We have cooperation with them. Without our nuclear technology, their lunar and Martian vehicles froze in a couple of hours.

As for our manned program, we have gradually developed and successfully tested a "passenger" spacecraft - with one cosmonaut pilot and two civilian passengers - participants in space flight. The new "Soyuz MS" can do it safely and efficiently. Now the three-month technology for preparing such passengers is being tested. It is planned to carry real civilian scientists to the station to set up their own experiments in microgravity.

[donavi49]

Normal short videos, not the shame in the article.


Docking. This is by the way about the fact that a short circuit only has Russian know-how, is unique, etc.

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Quote: donavi49

This is by the way about the fact that a short circuit only has Russian know-how, is unique, etc.

Ours fly according to the scheme twice as short. And it will be even shorter. So your sketch is not at the checkout.

[vegan]

Ours will soon fly according to the shortest scheme: Moscow - Baikonur - Moscow

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Quote: vegan

Ours will soon fly according to the shortest scheme: Moscow - Baikonur - Moscow

Why this vyser? Nothing to say and only "shit" in the comments remains? Oh well.

[standan]

And the Israelis fly according to what scheme? Oh, I forgot, they don't seem to fly into space at all.

[GAndr]

Colleagues, why such agtiatage? Yes, the PRC is great, but I would like to draw your attention to the fact that what is happening now is nothing more than a pure repetition of the Soviet experience almost 50 years ago ...
The entire space industry in China is based on Soviet technologies and Soviet experience, the question is what will happen next when this is all over?
The Chinese are definitely great! But personally, in this situation, I am sad only for the fact that Soviet technologies and Soviet experience are being implemented by the Chinese, and not exploited or improved by Russia ...

[donavi49]

This is a Chinese rover on Mars - show the Soviet

So there are landing proofs from orbit.

[standan]

Is there an Israeli one?

[Narak-zempo]

Quote: standan

Is there an Israeli one?

This is to the point. Cut off.
Straight under the gut.

[yfast]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

It remains to congratulate China. Confidently take the first position in space.

The main thing here is not to over praise.

[Adimius38]

well done what can I say this is an example when the economy really works for the country and billions are not lost as a result of corruption schemes

[Earthwalker]

Well, the Chinese can be congratulated on the fact that they are exploring space by leaps and bounds. And we just have to listen to Rogozin's song on the Roscosmos website, or evaluate one of his masterpieces in the form of a picture.

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Quote: Earth Walker

And we just have to listen to Rogozin's song on the Roscosmos website, or evaluate one of his masterpieces in the form of a picture.

Well, you can "listen to a song from Rogozin" about the preparation of our next truck for launch on the ISS RS, which we have been operating for 20 years:



And one more song about the completion of the "Fregat" refueling before its integration with the spacecraft cluster:

[spacekitty]

Quote: slipped

modification of the SoyuzTM spacecraft.

And by the way, I'm wondering what would have happened if the Americans hadn't forced Roscosmos Soyuz TM to modify it by digitizing the control system for the sake of flights of their astronauts? Would you still fly on the relay?

[Synoid]

What an illiterate person who wrote an article, China has no astronauts. Taikonauts.

[GAndr]

Quote: donavi49

This is a Chinese rover on Mars - show the Soviet

So there are landing proofs from orbit.

With Mars, that the Union, that Russia was never lucky, yes ... But in response to you I can say the same about Venus;) Only the USSR was able to land the device on Venus and no one else ...