Upgraded versions of special weapons: VSSM Vintorez and ASM Val

Virtually no recoil, no flash, no loud sound. All this is about a shot from modernized versions of a special Russian weapons... We are talking about modifications of VSSM "Vintorez" and ASM "Val".

Shooting from these types of weapons is distinguished by the fact that in the hands of the shooter it is not a weapon of high lethality, but a "toy model" - the shots are fired so easily and naturally.

What is the difference between the modernized versions of "Val" and "Vintorez" from the original versions?

Firstly, it is a special ergonomics. The weapon has become more convenient to use. Secondly, the resource for both types of small arms has been increased. At the same time, the figure has doubled: from five thousand to 10 thousand ammunition. This possibility is realized due to the use of special materials in the manufacture of, first of all, the internal parts of automatic weapons. The VSSM and ASM housings are also made of the new alloy.

The Lazarev Tactical channel provides a complete overview of the upgraded versions of the mentioned "barrels". In particular, the option of firing without devices that reduce its noise is being considered. The myth that the Vintorez is allegedly not intended for burst fire is also debunked.

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Comments

[Cruorvult]

The review is already a month old, woke up.

[Nikolaevich I]

The myth that the Vintorez is allegedly not intended for burst fire is also debunked.Yes, sho you gutarite !? And on the cue then the automatic fire mode?

[SAG]

The use of a screw cutter implies silent sniper shooting at a distance of up to 400 meters. Usually this is the silent removal of guards, head patrols, patrols or especially important objects. Why do you need automatic shooting?

[Pandiurin]

Quote: SAG

The use of a screw cutter implies silent sniper shooting at a distance of up to 400 meters. Usually this is the silent removal of guards, head patrols, patrols or especially important objects. Why do you need automatic shooting?

A soldier needs different machine guns, rifles, one for sniper shooting, another for silent, for burst shooting, each has its own ammunition and also a Mauser to shoot himself when he gets tired of wearing it all.

For example, someone went out to the wind and hid in a wooden birdhouse structure, the sentries were removed.

And as a starling, it is guaranteed to get it with a single shot.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: SAG

Why do you need automatic shooting?

On the move, I can't say ... I can only guess ... But when I first "got acquainted" with the performance characteristics of the weapon, I noticed that there was a "single / automatic" fire mode switch ...
... the receiver also houses a translator for the type of fire and a magazine latch with a spring.

The main rifle firing mode is single. However, the design of the trigger, located in the receiver, provides for the possibility of automatic fire. The fire translator is attached to the receiver inside the trigger guard, behind the trigger. For single fire, the translator is placed in the "Single fire" position (indicated by one dot), and automatic - "Automatic fire" (indicated by three dots). The translator can be used with the thumb and forefinger of the hand holding the handle ...

[knyaz72]

and ?, he asked another question

[knyaz72]

the shaft is widely used by special forces to clean rooms such as houses, etc., we bypass the automatic mode here, as for the VSS Vintorez, it is not always used for fire at distances, because it is not known what other situations await a fighter with VSS , perhaps the enemy will come closer to a close distance, perhaps during the re-deployment, you will have to pass through some kind of room and there will be an enemy and you will have to turn on the machine gun, because in the vicinity it is not a fact that you will hit the head, but you can hit the ribs, etc. this is not a cop or kalda where you can quickly pull the trigger, your hands will fall off
I don’t know how you don’t understand this at all, site veterans

[ccsr]

What is the difference between the modernized versions of "Val" and "Vintorez" from the original versions?

I would like to know the "price of the issue" and compare what the doubling of the number of shots will result in.
Of course, Vintorez was developed in the eighties, and a lot of water has flowed under the bridge, modernization is required. But we must not forget that it was developed for special forces, where the use of weapons is considered a failure of the reconnaissance group, since it came to that. So if only this indicator has been improved, then I think the game is not worth the candle, if this is due to the high cost of the modernized sample.

[Butchcassidy]

And what about the price of the issue? Well this is special weapons, not combined arms. It is clear that it does not cost like AK

[ccsr]

Quote: ButchCassidy

And what about the price of the issue?

This was always a cornerstone issue, even when developing special forces weapons - they had too many different types of arrow weapons, including pistols, and the series were not huge. And the smaller the series, the more expensive the product is, taking into account its development - this will be confirmed by experts.

[Butchcassidy]

This is a no brainer - about the price. It is not clear why this is a critical indicator.

[ccsr]

Quote: ButchCassidy

It is not clear why this is a critical indicator.

Because each type and branch of the armed forces is allocated a certain amount of money in the armaments program, and the more expensive the products are, the less money is left for other types of equipment and weapons. That is why the armed men are always faced with the problem of spending money - either to spend a lot on expensive things, and there will not be enough for everyone during rearmament, or to create it easier, but they will arm everyone, and even for something else.

[Ingenegr]

The movie is, of course, interesting.
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[husband]

And the old Vintorez fired without a flash, loud sound and recoil. And the fenced Tula has the same box with a bar as the "new" VSS (it is in the safe, it is actually a handy thing)). The issue with the cleaning of the combat VSS due to the short barrel, the large amount of gases in the pipe and its plates, the gas pipe, and therefore the deeply done bolt group, is not clear how they decided. But on the Tula civilian barrel to the edge and cleaning after 100 rounds for 5 minutes. Rumbles really robust he.

[Butchcassidy]

How awesomely beautiful they are!

[Mister who]

They just said about the range, a slight disappointment rolled over, for shooting in urban areas, in the field it loses to the Kalash, most likely in power, the energy is 2-3 times higher than the pistol, the question is, will it break through the armor? Sniper shooting at 400 meters - turn off, rather weak in terms of characteristics. Stupid for storming buildings.

[Michael HORNET]

You are just still a schoolboy and do not understand a lot in life)
This is a noiseless device for operation up to 300 m in reality, since the bullet is subsonic, but the armor-piercing bullet does its job quite well, since the lateral load of the bullet is quite enough.
Nice complex.
The truth is that the remnants of engineers there were able to seriously modify and improve something is not very hard to believe, since the degradation in the industry is complete. But let's see if a miracle happened
Do not compare with the Kalashnikov assault rifle - these are weapons from completely different niches

[Mister who]

Well, that's what I wrote about, for the taking of buildings with hostages is the very thing. The field loses. Read carefully))

[Michael HORNET]

Well, everything is as usual - opicatinized, put the optics on a moving part - the receiver cover (success in hitting and cleaning), well, plastic instead of wood. Reported in awesome modernization. I suspect that the 20 million budget for modernization has been mastered ... everything else remains the same, because for this you need to have brains, and with this, effective ones have a lot of stress, if we are talking about something other than to master budget money

[Black cowl]

Quote: SAG

The use of a screw cutter implies silent sniper shooting at a distance of up to 400 meters. Usually this is the silent removal of guards, head patrols, patrols or especially important objects. Why do you need automatic shooting?

In life, anything can happen.