Sina: Commissioned engine with a thrust of 500 tons will allow the first Chinese citizen to land on the moon by 2030

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The Chinese press reports that the PRC is systematically following the path of developing and improving its space program. In recent years, China has been actively launching its ships into near-earth orbit, launching research vehicles to the Moon and Mars, and creating its own orbital station.

The publication Sina writes that the development of technology makes it possible to achieve the possibility of sending a manned mission to the moon within several years.

From an article in Sina:

After a series of tests, a Chinese rocket engine with a 500-ton thrust was successfully put into operation. This will allow by 2030 to make a flight to a natural satellite of the Earth as part of a manned expedition. By 2030, the first Chinese citizen to land on the moon. After that, construction of the lunar base will begin.

The Chinese press notes that it is the creation and introduction of a suitable thrust and other parameters into the operation of a rocket engine that makes it possible to implement new ambitious space projects.

From the material:

The new engine has a two-chamber design. Fuel feed rate - up to 1,6 tons per second. Reaching maximum thrust is up to 3 seconds.

It is noted that the implemented technologies made it possible not to increase the total weight of the engine itself by unacceptable values.

The statement is made by the deputy head of the heavy rocket engine research and development department of the 6th institute aviation and astronautics of the PRC Chen Hui:

The overall engine weight has even been reduced. Approximate parameters of weight reduction in comparison with the original options are up to 30 percent. It was possible to maintain a balance between the weight of the engine and its thrust. This engine is the most powerful in the aerospace industry to date.

For reference: the thrust of the Russian rocket engine RD-180 is (in vacuum) 423,4 tf.
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  1. +7
    15 June 2021 10: 50
    The Chinese press reports that the PRC is systematically following the path of developing and improving its space program.

    Well, well done, what else can I say! Yes
    1. +3
      15 June 2021 11: 13
      I wouldn't be so happy. China is a serious force with which we cannot compete. At the same time, he is in dire need of both raw materials and other resources, for example, water, hydro resources, forest. Siberia and the Far East for China is like putting food near a cat. Will it lie for a long time? I am generally not happy with the success of China, rather the opposite.
      1. +3
        15 June 2021 11: 21
        I am no longer happy with the victorious reports of our authorities and Potemkin villages with delirium in the official media. And the success of our neighbor is impressive and makes us wonder if we need our power.
        1. +7
          15 June 2021 11: 30
          Forward! To the Maidan! Do Ukraine's "successes" teach you anything? Do you think something will change from the change of power? Will Navalny save the country? Or, again, take everything away and divide it up? Putin returned the defense industry and a significant part of the oil and gas industry to the state. He began to rebuild the army, and then the West realized that it was time to shoot him. It didn't work out. Don't be a fool. We are the eternal enemy of the west. They will not allow the restoration of Russian power. But we have no other way.
          1. -2
            15 June 2021 11: 55
            Aha will rally and, like one tightening their belts, die for a new yacht of friends, zeroed for well, who else but him and how, except how. And the fact that the Kremlin and go with the flow and the fact that the Bolsheviks, in more difficult start conditions, achieved more outstanding results in the same period, well, yes, then another and in general an agent of the state deep, and so on, do not interfere with naslodatsya with clamps. Glannoe so that for the state account a string of pleasure and nishtyaki from the clamps passed.
            1. +6
              15 June 2021 12: 28
              I see you have already tightened your belt and died for the yacht. Judging by the fact that you are now on the Internet, you have housing, electricity (and other amenities), a computer. You are not starving, otherwise you would not be sitting here now. Perhaps you were even vaccinated for free with the BEST vaccine in the world. So what are you missing? Yachts? Admit it, it's not the need that torments you, but the usual redneck. For example, I came to Donbass from Ukraine at the beginning of 15, and still in the trenches and barracks, even a room in a hostel is not given to volunteers, but you cannot go back, although I have 3 apartments left there. But I do not regret that I came, I act and not whine on the couch. Come, live half a year in a dugout under fire, and you will understand that a person actually needs much less than you have.
              1. -7
                15 June 2021 12: 53
                Quote: URAL72
                Judging by the fact that you are now on the Internet, you have housing, electricity (and other amenities), a computer. You are not starving, otherwise you would not be sitting here now.

                Do you need to thank Putin for this? Or his friends with Chubais?
                Quote: URAL72
                Perhaps you were even vaccinated for free with the BEST vaccine in the world.

                Did you personally compare all the vaccines in the world and recognize the domestic one as the best?
                Quote: URAL72
                For example, I came to Donbass from Ukraine at the beginning of the 15th year, and still in the trenches and barracks, they don't even give a room in the hostel

                Straight from the trench and write?
                Quote: URAL72
                and you will understand that a person actually needs much less than you have.

                Yes, you turn out to be an ascetic and ascetic, my friend, do you want this, so beloved by you, "those in power" to preach?
                1. +3
                  15 June 2021 13: 07
                  Straight from the trench and write?

                  For seven years, the third vacation for 15 days, is that a lot? In general, almost all positions have a connection, which means the Internet, - I write from a smartphone, so do not ask stupid questions, - I am too lazy to press.

                  "Do you not want this, so beloved by you," those in power "to preach?"

                  Useless. If you find yourself in their place, you will become the same. There is no denying. I knew many who got into the system. Those who did not want to mimic simply left. The power system is a strong machine and it has always been that way. Or do you want to be like in the past, on denunciation, anonymous in the camp? So, for example, Korolyov ended up there. Not an option. But it is necessary to plant, first of all, the judiciary. As long as one can buy off, corruption cannot be overcome, business cannot be pacified, workers' rights cannot be protected. How to do it? Do you know? Just don't wave a saber, I saw more blood than yours, I don't approve.
                  1. -2
                    15 June 2021 13: 47
                    Quote: URAL72
                    .......How to do it? Maybe you know? .......

                    This has been described very well long before us and has been tested in practice.
              2. -2
                16 June 2021 09: 10
                You may have even been vaccinated for free with the BEST vaccine in the world.

                Thank you no, if you want to be a volunteer in bioexperiments - your right ...
                1. +1
                  16 June 2021 09: 21
                  He was vaccinated back in February, and nothing. And you can listen to grandmothers at the entrance about the dangers of a mobile phone and microwaves, and buy a special Ukrainian saucepan for protection.
                  1. +1
                    16 June 2021 16: 30
                    and buy a special Ukrainian saucepan for protection.
                    ..... judging by the comments of your opponents, it's expensive for them ... it's easier for them to offer this option
          2. +3
            15 June 2021 12: 09
            a significant part of the oil and gas industry.
            And detail belay Which part did he (Putin VV) return?
            And more.
            He began to rebuild the army
            And during the time of Serdyukov (February 15, 2007 to November 6, 2012) did he also restore? Maybe he just realized, or the one who put it, that tomorrow the Yankees will arrive in a tank and take everything away.
            1. 0
              15 June 2021 12: 44
              Broaden your horizons. After the defeat of YUKOS, the state received the largest oil and gas company Rosneft, part of the shares went into Gazprom, thus the state received a controlling stake in it. Also, pipeline transport is almost entirely state-owned. Foreigners who worked on a tolling scheme were squeezed out of Sakhalin - an open robbery. And there is the highest quality and most expensive oil in Russia. The West has lost a lot in the north of Siberia - it is not profitable for them to work honestly.

              Serdyukov is not a military man, but a simple huckster. He did a lot of trouble, but most importantly, scientific and technical developments continued. Fixing his "achievements" was not difficult.
              1. 0
                15 June 2021 13: 00
                URAL72 (Oleg)
                I worked in YUKOS, Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug, Priobskoye field, but I don’t need to sing about "The Defeat of YUKOS", and in Rossneft, besides YUKOS, the lion's share of other companies were merged with Rossneft according to a completely raider scenario. The handshakes of the Yeltsin family destroyed competitors by creating the Rossneft company.
                Composition of shareholders (shareholders) of Rosneft Oil Company as of April 1, 2021 *
                Shareholders Number of shares Share in the charter
                capital,%
                JSC ROSNEFTEGAZ1 (shareholder) 4 281
                BP Rashan Investments Limited /
                BP Russian Investments Limited (shareholder) 2 092
                QH Oil Investments LLK /
                QH Oil Investments LLC (shareholder) 1 956
                Non-banking credit institution Joint Stock Company National Settlement Depository (nominal holder central depository) 1 133
                OOO RN-NeftKapitalInvest 1 017
                LLC RN-Capital 80 988
                The Russian Federation represented by the Federal Agency for State Property Management (shareholder) 1 less than 0,01
                Other minority investors (including individuals, other legal entities, etc.) 35 635
                Total 10 598 177 817 100


                scientific and technical developments continued. Fixing his "achievements" was not difficult.
                Yes, they continued, but on the pure enthusiasm of individual people. Honor and praise them.
                1. +1
                  15 June 2021 13: 19
                  PJSC NK Rosneft is a Russian oil and gas company controlled by the state-owned Rosneftegaz. Became the world's largest oil producer in 2013
                  1. 0
                    15 June 2021 15: 10
                    PJSC NK Rosneft is a Russian oil and gas company controlled by the state-owned Rosneftegaz. Became the world's largest oil producer in 2013
                    Here are just the share of JSC "Rosneftegaz" is 40% in the company PJSC "NK" Rosneft "".
                    Became the world's largest oil producer in 2013 laughing Well, they just made fun, according to you, the Russian company is the largest oil supplier in the WORLD belay Are you sure that you don't confuse propaganda with facts?
                  2. -1
                    16 June 2021 09: 17
                    PJSC NK Rosneft is a Russian oil and gas company controlled by the state-owned Rosneftegaz. Became the world's largest oil producer in 2013

                    Forced to correct you colleague,
                    In 2013, Russia produced a total of barrels per day per lemon than the Saudis,
                    But last year, in fact, Novak signed a humiliating surrender and Russia fell into the wake of the Saudi policy in terms of oil production, which is already backfiring for our economy in terms of rising prices in the domestic market ...
                    1. 0
                      16 June 2021 09: 24
                      Prices on the domestic market are growing, but world oil prices are also growing. Without the mining restriction, this would hardly have happened in the midst of a pandemic.
          3. +1
            15 June 2021 12: 43
            Quote: URAL72
            Forward! To the Maidan! Do Ukraine's "successes" teach you anything?

            Enough to scare Ukraine, without any Maidans, we will soon come to where Ukraine is now, only we will not lick the United States, but China. How big is the difference?
            Quote: URAL72
            Do you think that something will change from the change of power?

            Yes, rather from a change in the socio-economic formation.
            Quote: URAL72
            Will Navalny save the country?

            No, it will drive it even deeper into a known substance.
            Quote: URAL72
            Or again, take everything away and divide it up?

            Since when has it begun to "take away and divide" what was stolen from Chubais's privatization?
            Quote: URAL72
            Or, again, take everything away and divide it up? Putin returned the defense industry and a significant part of the oil and gas industry to the state.

            Well, how are the successes in the economy and defense industry? Are you impressed? I'm not there.
            Quote: URAL72
            We are the eternal enemy of the west. They will not allow the restoration of Russian power.

            Not only the West, but also the East. With such a system, we cannot have friends.
            Quote: URAL72
            But we have no other way.

            In more detail, please, tell us about your path. The path that we have now, in my opinion, leads to the degradation and collapse of the country during the lifetime of my generation.
          4. 0
            16 June 2021 09: 08
            ... They will not allow the restoration of Russian power

            Here the president was recently asked a question about Chubais, did you see his answer? Here is all the restoration for youam
        2. +2
          15 June 2021 12: 45
          Quote: evgen1221
          And the successes of the neighbor are impressive and make you think about whether we need our power

          Definitely not necessary, but these ghouls ruined the USSR for the sake of momentary profits and will not leave their homes for nothing.
      2. +3
        15 June 2021 11: 27
        Quote: URAL72
        I wouldn't be so happy. China is a serious force with which we cannot compete. At the same time, he is in dire need of both raw materials and other resources, for example, water, hydro resources, forest. Siberia and the Far East for China is like putting food near a cat. Will it lie for a long time? I am generally not happy with the success of China, rather the opposite.

        Listen, how long can you step on the same rake. The Chinese write, we read, then in the comments they write: "we are far from China", "everything is gone," we sprinkle ashes on our heads. A week later, we find out that this is another "wunder waffle". So it was with the "super-duper" coating for engines and that it turned out to be such a hemorrhoid coating! The most interesting thing is that the same people are yelling for China.
        1. 0
          15 June 2021 12: 08
          Quote: letinant
          The most interesting thing is that the same people are yelling for China.

          Yelling, yes, to nothing.
          But also forget that the current successes of China are a direct continuation of the successes of the USSR,
          the result of the assistance of the USSR is not needed. A respectful attitude towards these successes is also a respect for our Soviet past. hi
          1. +4
            15 June 2021 13: 19
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            Quote: letinant
            The most interesting thing is that the same people are yelling for China.

            Yelling, yes, to nothing.
            But also forget that the current successes of China are a direct continuation of the successes of the USSR,
            the result of the assistance of the USSR is not needed. A respectful attitude towards these successes is also a respect for our Soviet past. hi

            I do not know what successes of the USSR they are developing, but since the 60s we have been in contradiction with China. And since 1972, the Kisenger doctrine entered into which the United States and China began to be friends against the USSR. After that, Western technologies flowed to China, not the most modern, but flowed. To be honest, the most modern technologies are not shared with China even now. What confirms their metallurgy, steel is poured a lot, but the quality is lame. And they buy the most modern chips from the USA and South Korea.
        2. 0
          15 June 2021 15: 12
          In fact, the Chinese repeated the RD 170, only it is not clear whether they created this engine from scratch, or all the same, like everything else, they cloned and hybridized.
          1. +3
            15 June 2021 16: 01
            The RD-171MV has more than 800 tons of thrust. But it is 4-chamber.
      3. -1
        15 June 2021 11: 48
        Quote: URAL72
        Will it lie for a long time?

        He's a cunning cat, no matter how luggage, he will still carry off.
      4. 0
        15 June 2021 12: 02
        Quote: URAL72
        I wouldn't be so happy. China is a serious force with which we cannot compete ............ I am not at all happy with the successes of China, rather the opposite.

        They are still encroaching on Mars! .. And I wonder if the Martians will agree to accept the Taoist faith? Or Confucius? Even on the old Earth, not everyone understands Chinese culture, much less accepts ...
    2. +1
      15 June 2021 11: 38
      Quote: LIONnvrsk
      The Chinese press reports that the PRC is systematically following the path of developing and improving its space program.

      Well, well done, what else can I say! Yes

      Not sure if the information is 100% true. It is possible to increase the thrust (temperature) while reducing the weight only if a breakthrough technology is obtained in the production of materials ... Until now, China cannot repeat Russian technologies for the production of modern aircraft engines.
      If everything were as they write, China would refuse to buy Russian aircraft engines. Most likely research is underway and there are some results, but not what they write about
      1. +1
        15 June 2021 11: 49
        I knew that our engines would be remembered, which are too tough for Chinese technicians. The fact is that these aircraft engines are reusable, while space engines are one-time use. What is wrong with the Chinese? But it doesn’t work that aircraft engines work in a certain mode for a sufficient amount of time.
        Can the Chinese make a space engine? They can. They do not plan to return them to Earth, which means, in fact, the engine is disposable. Do you feel the difference?
        1. +1
          15 June 2021 12: 20
          I didn’t say that the Chinese specialists cannot do something. And the technology for obtaining new materials will certainly lead to the receipt of new products.
          One should not be confused with the other. Reusable or disposable motor - what's the difference
          1. +1
            16 June 2021 02: 54
            Quote: Invoce
            One should not be confused with the other. Reusable or disposable motor - what's the difference

            There is a difference .
            China received from the Russian Federation a complete technical process for the RD-180 engines.
            And what kind of engines are they?
            This is a "half" of the famous RD-170, which stood on the first stages of the Soviet launch vehicle "Energia". So these same RD-170s were made exactly as reusable - they were planned to be lowered together with the first stage blocks on parachutes and reused. Their approved resource is 10 launches with threefold redundancy, which means that they have shown a failure-free life of at least 30 full cycles during tests (they could have more, but they decided to stop there).
            Do you understand what this is about? Why RD-170, RD-180 (half) and RD-190 (quarter) are so expensive, difficult and heavy?
            They are REUSABLE!
            And the Chinese apparently decided not to bother with reusability and by lowering their resource and ... by lightening them (as claimed by them) by 30%, they received a DISPOSABLE engine with greater traction characteristics and lighter than the original. Having overrated the RD-180, they raised its thrust from 423 tf. by 20% - up to 500 tf.
            And with this engine, they may well build a super-heavy rocket with about 150 tons of payload in a low reference orbit. This is more than the "Saturn-5" (declared) and about the same as the Americans want to get on their super heavy duty under the "Artemis" program.
            They want to supply 12 such engines at the first stage.
            And in our case, with RD-170 (171), RD-180 (181, 182), RD-190 (191), we essentially installed (and are installing) reusable high-resource engines on disposable rockets.
            In principle, we could build reusable rockets with engine landing on this line of engines - like Musk's. But these should be very heavy rockets, with launching into a reference orbit of 50 - 60 tons (if four RD-1s and one RD-180 are placed on the 190st stage in the center), or even heavier, with the introduction of 100 - 120 tons. (four RD-171 and one RD-180 in the middle).
            Or, following the Chinese example, to lighten and reduce the resource capacity of these engines and raise their traction by 20%. At the same time, they will become cheaper.
            But ... the task is not for the leadership that we now have.
          2. 0
            16 June 2021 09: 23
            Reusable or disposable motor - what's the difference

            This is the main difference. laughing
  2. -1
    15 June 2021 10: 53
    Well, a powerful rocket engine, this is not the most important thing in the lunar program .. In general, the Chinese are great, I am sure that they will succeed .. A couple of dozen oligarchs will be shot and now the money is free for the lunar program ..)))
  3. +2
    15 June 2021 11: 01
    Sincerely for the Chinese. Another proof that the Communist Party can do everything. Unlike liberals, who can only destroy ..
    1. -5
      15 June 2021 11: 04
      liberals have been sitting in our zone, and they have been running everything for more than a dozen years - patriots who care for the country cannot sleep wink
      1. 0
        15 June 2021 11: 09
        These are just different varieties of G., which are squabbling among themselves, dividing the country ..
        Modern "patriots", they are both communists and liberals .. all mixed under one roof ..
        1. +3
          15 June 2021 11: 29
          If you mean the Communist Party, then they are definitely not communists. Another branch of the EP, nothing more.
          1. -1
            15 June 2021 11: 32
            So I mean everyone ... that Zyuganov, that Putin, that Zhirik, that others who are now admitted to power - all from the same garbage ...
            It's just that someone behaves quietly, shares, and shouts Hurray .. and whoever does not shout and does not share, they are sent to the zone .. Under the guise of fighting the enemies of the state ..))
            1. +3
              15 June 2021 13: 01
              It's just that someone behaves quietly, shares, and shouts Hurray .. and those who do not shout and do not share - they are sent to the zone ..


              Bravo! In one sentence - all the fuss in Russia since 1999. laughing
      2. -1
        15 June 2021 11: 18
        Quote: Rageee
        liberals have been sitting in our zone, and they have been running everything for more than a dozen years - patriots who care for the country cannot sleep wink

    2. -3
      15 June 2021 11: 12
      Quote: paul3390
      Another proof that the Communist Party can do everything.

      Their teachers were good. They know how to put things in order in the country.
    3. -1
      16 June 2021 09: 26
      Sincerely for the Chinese. Another proof that the Communist Party can do everything. Unlike liberals, who can only destroy ..

      You only don't tell the French from their military-industrial complex, otherwise they will take you for a youngster laughing
      1. 0
        16 June 2021 11: 51
        Do not tell others - the paddling pools just barely bungled one aircraft carrier, and even then somehow, China bakes the most complicated technique like pies. The French Armed Forces do not even come close to the Chinese level in terms of quantity, and even in terms of quality - if they are ahead, then not very much.
  4. -1
    15 June 2021 11: 01
    Well, at the same time, they will tell you if there are traces of the Americans on the moon. wassat
    1. 0
      15 June 2021 11: 13
      It would be nice to check. In Russia, enthusiastic engineers presented a project of a private microsatellite for filming landing tracks.
      1. +1
        16 June 2021 09: 28
        It would be nice to check. In Russia, enthusiastic engineers presented a project of a private microsatellite for filming landing tracks.

        In China, a group of engineers presented a working mockup of an over-road bus - as a result, it rots in an abandoned hangar, and the police are looking for the creators for financial fraud laughing
      2. +1
        16 June 2021 09: 33
        It would be nice to check. In Russia, enthusiastic engineers presented a project of a private microsatellite for filming landing tracks.

        And yes, our science went to garages, which Sergei Semenovich so carefully demolished in Moscow, and Dmitry Olegovich will build a skyscraper instead of Khrunichev's NPO ... request
    2. -1
      15 June 2021 11: 22
      Quote: Marachuh
      Well, at the same time, they will tell you if there are traces of the Americans on the moon.

      So the last Chinese spacecraft "landed" in the place where the US spacecraft with astronauts landed, but no traces of the Americans were found, (there are no doges and sandstorms there), the traces remain for hundreds of years.
      When in 1969 they announced that Armstrong was from the United States on the moon, I blurted out "another US nonsense," I was summoned to the Komsomol bureau and a piston was inserted for "spreading false rumors."
      1. -1
        15 June 2021 11: 24
        There are even specialists in doubts. Today there is more evidence that they were not what they were.
        1. 0
          15 June 2021 11: 42
          Quote: Marachuh
          There are even specialists in doubts. Today there is more evidence that they were not what they were.

          And shtatovskie specialists, they say.
  5. +5
    15 June 2021 11: 12
    Well, Rogozin's priority is now to shoot a movie ahead of Tom Cruise. The rest will wait, the main thing is then to tweak. The only difference is that Tom Cruise will fly on a separate mission and they will be given a very limited number of hours for shooting. Actually, the coordination with the schedule of work on the ISS from NASA additionally slows down the process, while the money seems to have already been found. Does Rogozin have Cinema? For our pair with Ernst, ahead of the Americans - we fly the first flight, move everything, delete the cosmonauts, and if some Krikalev objects and asks to wait, then we will kick him out wassat ... Who is this Sergey Krikalev, he has nothing to do in Roscosmos wink .



    Now the truth is rising all the way to Putin, Ferchishin, Savitskaya and Zhukov, and the whole detachment as a whole is outraged:
    - Such personnel decisions convince me that astronautics is not needed in Russia. I have known Sergei Konstantinovich Krikalev for many years - a professional of the highest category, never afraid to take responsibility. He has been in the industry for a very long time, and many have not dreamed of the heights that he has reached as an astronaut and leader.

    Today, the most important of all areas in astronautics is cinema. And Sergei Konstantinovich never agreed with ideas harmful to our industry. After all, for him astronautics is everything, he has invested his whole life in it. And despite all the undoubted merits, he did not become a monument to himself.

    Let's also say thanks to Svetlana Savitskaya for her courage, for speaking next to Krikalev. Maybe she also violated some ethics? She is, after all, the same high professional in our industry.

    The stable style of today's personnel policy is that everyone who can offer an alternative point of view is being squeezed out of astronautics.

    - I was a participant in a competition among Soviet journalists for the right to fly into space and am a patriot of space flights for humanitarians - journalists, writers, artists, actors, philosophers. I believe that the exploration of outer space and other celestial bodies will not be complete without representatives of the humanitarian professions. But while trips to space are expensive and rare, there should be a national selection, as it was in the aforementioned Soviet journalistic competition (more than a thousand participants), as in the American contest Teacher in Space (Christa McAuliffe died, with her understudy Barbara Morgan I happened to meet). In the case of an actress and director, we see not a national selection, but a hardware solution. There must be adequate, not hasty preparation for the flight. Six Soviet journalists had been preparing for two years, all of them received certificates of cosmonaut-researchers. None of them flew into space for purely political reasons (the collapse of the USSR), but their lives were enriched with new knowledge and skills, understanding of the industry, new works, they made a great contribution to the popularization and openness of astronautics.

    Separately about Sergei Krikalev. He, in my subjective opinion, is one of the five most outstanding cosmonauts of the Earth, from among the living (and thus is our national treasure). Sergei Konstantinovich is a rare example of a professional cosmonaut-engineer who has gone up the steps of an industry career and became a top manager of Roscosmos. He is in the prime of his talent and experience. He must be kept in the ranks of active leaders.
    1. -1
      15 June 2021 11: 54
      Quote: donavi49
      Today, the most important of all areas in astronautics is cinema.
      Ilyich taught us that - "Of all the arts, cinema is the most important for us!" They did not understand, they did not create such a Hollywood, which ultimately outplayed the USSR in agitation and propaganda ... Maybe under Rogozin they decided that it was better late than never.

      We will find our "Stanley Kubrick", and, like the Moon, we will organize a start to Mars, like a show for the whole world, on all channels. Next, reports from space, like a TV series, then, landing, triumph! Here we don't even have to bother to return, we will show how our "Martians" grow potatoes on their feces and drive moonshine from the tops. And there, you see, either "the donkey will die, or the padishah", we will think of something, most importantly, we will give the Americans, as they did with the Moon 50 years ago.


      Come on, make mattress covers, Dmitry Olegovich!
    2. +1
      15 June 2021 13: 41
      Today, the most important of all areas in astronautics is cinema.

      Why make a movie in space is not entirely clear. Many excellent (special effects) films were filmed in terrestrial pavilions. Not counting the "Apollo" recently "Gravity", "Living". Good actors, weightlessness, no need to fly anywhere.
    3. +2
      15 June 2021 16: 15
      Quote: donavi49
      Well, Rogozin's priority is now to shoot a movie ahead of Tom Cruise.


      A good idea for the popularization and commercialization of Russian astronautics.

      Quote: donavi49

      The rest will wait, the main thing later


      The main thing is to launch the "Science" module on July 15.

      Krikalev continues to work at Roscosmos.
  6. +1
    15 June 2021 11: 23
    There are developments in Russia too. NPO Energomash has developed RD-171MV; its weight is 10,3 tons, thrust is more than 800 tons. And as far as I read, it has already successfully passed the bench firing tests. good
    1. +1
      15 June 2021 15: 13
      We are waiting for the launch of Union 5 with it at the end of 2023.
  7. 0
    15 June 2021 11: 37
    The commissioned engine with a thrust of 500 tons will allow the first Chinese citizen to land on the moon by 2030

    Due to the absence of Hollywood in China, the landing may be real.
  8. 0
    15 June 2021 11: 46
    I do not understand members of the forum rejoicing in the success of China, what a joy to us? They will move us away from outer space, the supply of military equipment, and eventually they will create normal aircraft engines. They will learn to build a nuclear power plant, and we will only have to export the timber.
    1. -2
      15 June 2021 12: 03
      I do not understand members of the forum rejoicing in the success of China, what a joy to us?

      And what joy can we ever be, no matter who flies there ..))
      That's how people live in China too .. we all crawled out of the same ocean ..

      They will move us away from outer space, the supply of military equipment, and eventually they will create normal aircraft engines. They will learn to build a nuclear power plant, and we will only have to export the timber.
      And are the Chinese to blame for this ?? Or more joy when a neighbor's cow dies ??)
      1. -2
        15 June 2021 12: 05
        Are the USA also happy about the success?
        1. -1
          15 June 2021 12: 10
          Weird question..
          I watch with pleasure how American rovers descend to another planet, take pictures, conduct research there .. I am glad that humanity has achieved such results !!
          Does anyone really feel itching about how many photos Curiosity gave us, not to mention the discoveries of the Hubble ??
          Yes, and the achievements of Microsoft with Google, while sitting at a computer, it is difficult NOT to rejoice ..))
          1. -2
            15 June 2021 12: 21
            Yes, I agree that this is all great, do not be the US our ENEMY!
            1. 0
              15 June 2021 12: 31
              And I don’t consider the United States my enemy ..
              They didn’t do anything bad to me .. Be it at least Obama, Trump, or Biden, and even though some black dishwasher from Kentucky .. it’s not they who take out the forest in wagons ..

              I agree that this is all great
              So we rejoice in the beautiful ..))
              And the fact that the authorities are rolling a barrel at each other is their job ...

    2. -2
      15 June 2021 13: 50
      Quote: ASAD
      I do not understand members of the forum rejoicing in the success of China, what a joy to us?

      Well, why not be glad that we have slowed down. Maybe Rogozin will think about it.
      1. +3
        15 June 2021 17: 58
        Quote: Piramidon
        Well, why not be glad that we have slowed down.


        And what has slowed down?
  9. 0
    15 June 2021 11: 57
    What exactly does it mean in Chinese words: Engine commissioned? I have doubts. They cannot produce aircraft engines, but they produced a rocket engine with a thrust of 500 tons. Actually, this is a technological breakthrough, even the Americans do not have such a thing.
    1. +5
      15 June 2021 12: 14
      The rocket engine is much less demanding on materials and processing. There, and the resource is scanty, and in general there are only some bottlenecks that can be solved.

      They can easily create an aircraft engine and do it. Another thing is service, resource, safety standards. In rocketry, only security needs to be tightened. And if it burns out in 200-300 seconds of work, so what, the main thing is to put the squeeze on the load.

      The Americans are not an indicator at all, they have a different concept in general. They perfectly operate with engine bundles and do not strive for high achievements in sports. By the way, if you take the Americans, then there is now a new trend - do as Musk:
      - Bezos remodel his NewGlenn, change aluminum for stainless steel.
      - Fans of global automation and robotization from Relativity Space also significantly updated the concept of the main commercial rocket by the year 24 - Teran1 has now completely passed into the category of experimental technologies and launches, flight for this year.


      But the main one will not be as planned earlier 1 reuse - 2 stage loss (a la methane Falcon9 - which is printed on printers and assembled by robots), and the Fully Reusable concept - a full reuse. The upper stage is returned as a Musk booster, and the second stage with fairings is like Starship.

      1. 0
        15 June 2021 12: 22
        Quote: donavi49
        The rocket engine is much less demanding on materials and processing

        Ha ha ha
        The RD -180 engine consists of two chambers, a turbo pump unit, a booster fuel pump unit, an oxidizer booster pump unit, a gas generator, an automation control unit, a cylinder block, an automatic drive system, a steering drive system, a fuel flow regulator in a gas generator, an oxidizer throttle, a fuel throttle , start-off valves of the oxidizer and fuel, two ampoules with starting fuel, a starting tank, an engine frame, a bottom screen, sensors of an emergency protection system, a heat exchanger for heating helium to pressurize the oxidizer tank. The mass ratio of the oxidizer to the fuel is 2.72, throttling is possible in the range of 40-100%

        And all this must work out with 100% accuracy and reliability, otherwise the astronauts will appear before God with the launch seats. The requirements for materials are higher there than in an aircraft engine
        1. +3
          15 June 2021 12: 30
          Well, the Chinese have a major resource and service problem. The first is not that important if you don't bother with reuse. The second is acceptable for piece space technology. To create an engine that gives the required thrust in all modes, they are doing now. Just a resource of 200 hours - versus 3000-5000 in normal people.

          And I repeat - they have a relatively small percentage of accidents in rocketry. Mainly merchants also use solid fuels. State rockets usually fly normally or crash after the load has been recovered.
  10. -1
    15 June 2021 12: 49
    The Chinese are great, they think about their future, do not exchange for useless projects and meetings in the present, do not expect a miracle from the past, and in the end they achieve what they want. And if someone in Russia thinks that China will open a "taxi fleet" for the delivery of those who wish to the moon, then they are deeply mistaken.
    1. +1
      15 June 2021 15: 16
      And what are Russia's useless projects in the space sector?
      1. +2
        15 June 2021 18: 00
        Quote: Vadim237
        And what are Russia's useless projects in the space sector?


        Do you think he will answer? laughing
        1. -2
          16 June 2021 02: 18
          I will answer - normally astronauts shoot everything, YouTube is full. you need to popularize - put your hands on their work - music, screensavers, and so on.
          .
          with kin and actors, there is an overkill. there is nothing else to do in orbit?
          Well, since there is nothing - send tourists for normal money.
          such gestures with kin undermine all trust
          1. +2
            16 June 2021 02: 29
            Quote: Disant
            I will answer - normally astronauts shoot everything, YouTube is full. you need to popularize - put your hands on their work - music, screensavers, and so on.


            They don't make feature films. Only documentary with music screensavers and stuff.

            Quote: Disant
            with kin and actors, there is an overkill. there is nothing else to do in orbit?


            And who told you that they would only be engaged in kin? Schaz. They are guinea pigs - they are used to test technologies for quickly launching civilians into space. For example, scientists with their projects and instruments. This crew will have a lot of the same medicine.

            Quote: Disant
            Well, since there is nothing - send tourists for normal money.
            such gestures with kin undermine all trust


            The money doesn't say "normal" or "abnormal." The cost of the chair in "Soyuz MS" is well known. Russia is the only country that previously launched "space tourists" into space and continues to launch them - there is a queue for the flight. Russian "tourists" fly to the Soyuz MS-19 and it will be an interesting educational project. The Japanese are flying next:

            1. -2
              16 June 2021 02: 39
              make feature films

              you need artistic - let them go to the pavilions.
              if they are not tourists for money, then this is a very stupid decision.
              at least work out the legend - they say they paid.
              the rest, about
              experimental rabbits
              - well, this is no longer funny - you yourself wrote -
              Russia is the only country that previously launched "space tourists" into space and continues to launch them - there is a queue for the flight.
              1. 0
                16 June 2021 02: 49
                Quote: Disant
                you need artistic - let them go to the pavilions.


                Russia has the technical ability to become the first in the world to shoot a feature film in real space. Why do we need pavilions in this case? laughing

                Quote: Disant
                if they are not tourists for money, then this is a very stupid decision.


                They are tourists for extra-budgetary money from the enterprise. Well, they will work a little for the enterprise.

                Quote: Disant
                at least work out the legend - they say they paid.


                You do not understand? We paid money for their flight and received permission for it. Roskosmos and Channel One with their film groups combine business with pleasure. Such a successful synergy. Don't be jealous. The rest of the tourists are not going anywhere. At the end of next year, the third Soyuz MS, bought by Glavkosmos, is also with tourists.
                1. -3
                  16 June 2021 12: 30
                  You do not understand? We paid money for their flight and received permission for it. Roskosmos and Channel One with their film groups combine business with pleasure.

                  This is how we, ordinary people, do not need to say this.
                  after all, in fact - Roskosmos and Channel One received budgetary funds, redistributed them among themselves and spent on cinema. Of course this is nice to someone, but there is zero useful here.
                  stupidly spent the budget. a lot of money?
                  really there are no normal creatives if you have already decided to promote? !!
                  1. +2
                    16 June 2021 16: 44
                    Quote: Disant
                    This is how we, ordinary people, do not need to say this.
                    after all, in fact - Roskosmos and Channel One received budgetary funds,


                    Don't be stupid. In fact, a regular spacecraft with an astronaut is flying to replace the spacecraft at the station. In which two chairs are paid for from extrabudgetary sources. Is it really incomprehensible?
                    1. -3
                      16 June 2021 23: 23
                      uh no, now don't get away
                      Dmitry Loskutov on the air of the radio "Komsomolskaya Pravda" explained who will pay for the "Call".

                      Shooting the film finances Channel One... Filming is underway within the framework of the existing Federal Space Program, that is, it will not require any additional funds from the federal budget, - said Loskutov.

                      budget budget. your freebie, our idea. there are no merchants from Roskosmos.
                      but the actress will be launched in defiance of Tom Cruise, so that he is not the first.
                      because they will laugh later.
                      first artist in orbit - hurray, Pobeda :!
                      the first sip of pomegranate juice from a square bottle in orbit. Victory!
                      smacks of madness.
                      .
                      I am not an accountant, and perhaps I have not gone into my own jungle. But I would find a better use for money than sending these two there, - said Kornienko

                      1. +1
                        16 June 2021 23: 54
                        Quote: Disant
                        Filming takes place within the framework of the existing Federal Space Program, that is, it will not require any additional funds from the federal budget, - said Loskutov.


                        Well, it is. "Soyuz MS" is used rotary. Previously, ships were always launched like this with tourists. What surprises you?

                        Glavkosmos pays for the training of tourists and their flight. That's what I'm talking about. Doesn't get it? All space tourists flew like that, they just paid Glavkosmos out of their own pockets. Now, for this flight, Glavkosmos JSC pays out of its own pocket. He can afford it, since he makes good money with launchers.
                      2. -2
                        17 June 2021 01: 06
                        Now, for this flight, Glavkosmos JSC pays out of its own pocket. He can afford it, since he makes good money with launchers.

                        Are you kidding me?
                        Glavkosmos is a piece of Roskosmos, it is a trade department that sells what Roskosmos has produced. I mean, he can afford ?!
                        this is the earnings of the entire Roscosmos, and not the achievement of appointed traders.
                        Kornienko is right. Man.
                        and Rogozin's mice started dancing. he does not have a team, since such ideas come out
                      3. +1
                        17 June 2021 14: 22
                        Quote: Disant
                        Are you kidding me?


                        Not in the least.

                        Quote: Disant
                        Glavkosmos is a piece of Roskosmos, it is a trade department that sells what Roskosmos has produced. I mean, he can afford ?!


                        These are his preferences. They are even developing new technology.

                        Quote: Disant
                        this is the earnings of the entire Roscosmos, and not the achievement of appointed traders.


                        Earnings of Roscosmos consists of other items.

                        Quote: Disant
                        Kornienko is right. Man.


                        Everyone has their own opinion.

                        Quote: Disant
                        and Rogozin's mice started dancing. he does not have a team, since such ideas come out


                        Don't be jealous. Will you go to watch the film or, in spite of your grandmother, won't you give principles? laughing
                      4. 0
                        17 June 2021 17: 29
                        Everyone has their own opinion.

                        but not everyone will be able to voice it openly.
                        .
                        Do not envy.

                        in the sense? I’m not a functionary of something there to envy the drank that suddenly fell on my head in the next department, or just, like a person, to envy the realized stupidity - this is banal about gray money. and state.
                        you ascribe to me other people's thoughts.
                        I am surprised and outraged.
                        .
                        once again is a bad idea. and it can hurt everyone involved.
                        Rogozin's PR people are not just bad - they will drag him into a swamp with such ideas.
                        he needs to get some air - they muffled from all sides. and PR people point out the door with such ideas
                      5. +1
                        17 June 2021 17: 49
                        Quote: Disant
                        and it can hurt everyone involved.


                        Really, but they say the queue of those eager to fly has even been added. laughing
                      6. -1
                        17 June 2021 18: 23
                        but they say the queue of those eager to fly was even added

                        the turn of those wishing to fly and promote themselves will of course add - a bunch of gratuitous ships and funds apparently drew - there is nowhere to go.
                        It's a shame for stupidity at such a high level.
                      7. +1
                        17 June 2021 18: 26
                        Quote: Disant
                        a bunch of gratuitous ships and funds apparently drew - nowhere to go.


                        We have the opportunity to produce more ships than are currently being produced and sell launches on them. It's okay, don't worry.
  11. 0
    15 June 2021 19: 07
    I compared those data on the combustion chamber, consumption, ... conclusion: even to RD180 it is far from all parameters, including efficiency. Yes, and thrust RD-170 800 tons
  12. -1
    15 June 2021 20: 05
    Quote: URAL72
    .... Siberia and the Far East for China is like putting food near a cat. Will it lie for a long time?

    it is, at best, China is a temporary "partner".
    about the successes of China in "space" - somehow the crooked videos with air bubbles floating by the pumponauts do not inspire)))
    about the Chinese probe on the moon:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PuM_IYt9mis

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