Ukrainian official answered the question about the assessment of Azerbaijan's military tactics in the war for Karabakh

Ukraine supports the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan within the internationally recognized borders and stands for closer interaction between the countries. This was stated by the head of the permanent delegation of Ukraine to the NATO Parliamentary Assembly Yegor Chernev.

According to Chernev, Azerbaijan is a strategic partner of Ukraine, this is stated in the adopted national security strategy. Baku opposes the "illegal annexation" of Crimea by Russia and also has territorial problems, like Ukraine, part of whose territory Russia has seized.

Answering a question about the 2020 war between Azerbaijan and Armenia over Karabakh, Chernev called it a "brilliant operation" against the Armenian army, carried out using advanced weapons and equipment. He paid special attention to the use of shock weapons by the Azerbaijani army. drones, which he says is the most advanced tactic in modern warfare.

The Ukrainian official was asked about his assessment of the Azerbaijani operation and whether Ukraine is ready to repeat something similar in Donbas.

According to Chernev, the Armed Forces of Ukraine cannot use the same tactics in the Donbas against the "separatists", since Ukraine does not control part of the border with Russia and Moscow has the ability to transfer "a huge amount" of personnel and equipment. He stressed that the Ukrainian army has become "more combat-ready" and is ready to defend its sovereignty, but there is a danger of losing even more of its territory due to the "offensive of the Russian army."

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[TermNachTer]

Anecdote from the series: "Now, if only, then we wow))))

[For example]

Ukraine supports the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan within the internationally recognized borders

The borders of the republics of the USSR were established by the leadership of the USSR.

"International" here is not part of the word at all.

Russia is the legal successor of the USSR.

It may also reconsider the decision on the borders as a legal successor.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: For example

"International" here is not part of the word at all.

You cannot ignore the whole world. The Azerbaijani side draws borders according to Soviet maps. The only mistake of the Azerbaijani side is that they gave a time of 10 days for the refugees to leave, but it was necessary to give a time of 1 hour, like the Armenians in the 90s. because the Armenians if they spent 1 day for refugees, 9 days for the mining of territories. Human? Not! Can you live with such a neighbor? Not. By the way, if you are not aware, the Armenian side turned to the United States to help with the return of the prisoners. They did it. True, instead of a map of minefields in Agdam. That is, there is a complete violation of 3-party contracts. The Armenian side is trying to involve the West in this conflict, or rather the presence. They do not recognize Soviet maps in any way. But the Azerbaijani side has a trump card (internationally recognized borders) So that's it. Why am I saying that the world does not revolve around the USSR, there are other instances with which at least one should listen, if not even adhere to. The whole world cannot be ignored.

and I am very interested why the news about the latest events in Karabakh is not posted in the ax. And a lot of things happened there.

[mitroha]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

and I am very interested why the news about the latest events in Karabakh is not posted in the ax. And a lot of things happened there.

So take it and write the news. Just judging by your posts, the presentation will be extremely one-sided and nationalistic.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Mitroha

So take it and write the news. Just judging by your posts, the presentation will be extremely one-sided and nationalistic.

well if it calms you down, I will write like this. The Armenians are a pro-Russian people, with posters of Russia out of Armenia, Russia is an occupier, did not do it. It was also not they who snatched the flag from the Russian embassy and burned it. Also, it was not they who built the pre-election campaign on the above. And also for a couple of days they did not turn to the United States for help with the prisoners and it was not they who asked for their presence in Karabakh) Excellent allies you will not say anything)))))))))))))))) You can trust them. Everything is fine.

Alex will go like this?)))

[mitroha]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Alex will go like this?)))

About what I said. You wanted to write news, but you wrote, in addition to addressing the United States, a repetition of what was once. . And why then is it on VO?
Regarding the appeal of the government of a sovereign country to anyone, it is his right.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Mitroha

On the appeal of the government sovereign country

Isn't the word sovereign country funny to you yourself? Honestly?

Quote: Mitroha

to anyone, that's his right.

Putin was silent throughout the war precisely for these thoughts and words that you write above. So please do not dissemble here.

[TermNachTer]

There, everyone has their own truth. But Aliyev staged a massacre in vain, nothing good - it did not and will not give Azerbaijan.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: TermNachTER

But Aliyev staged a massacre in vain, nothing good - it did not give Azerbaijan

Lands, trophies, punishment of the enemy at the very least and image.

[TermNachTer]

Those trophies can be safely scrapped. Earth? so Karabakh remained with the Armenians, and what they returned must now be restored - this is not one year, and not one hundred million and by no means manats or whatever they are called there. Was the enemy punished? And they created another generation of Armenians who hate Azerbaijan, at the genetic level. Image?))) When people have nothing to eat - the image ends quickly)))

[d1975]

Yes, I would not give you and the Armenians an hour, only thanks to our corrupt officials there is a sea of ​​you here! There is not much good from you to the country, but you know where to shove all this multiculturalism ... Who lived until 1991, yes, but then nafig, the fool understands that this is illegal, that some, that others.

[TermNachTer]

What difference does it make where, who and when, the main thing is to get Russia at least something.

[xorek]

According to Chernev, Azerbaijan is a strategic partner of Ukraine,

Well, this is not surprising .. Azerbaijan was actively supplied with UAVs and other technologies, one small country and I remember them bragging about it all the time ..
Recently, the junta wanted to repeat it in the Donbass, but they bastards 100 thousand group of selected special forces were sent to the border and warned what would happen to them if they poke around .. Even the United States was scared.
We still control Armenia ..! But with Donbass it will not work for Svidomo and your owners ..

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: xorek

We still control Armenia ..!

Sure? Is this why the recent events in Armenia are clearly controlled by the United States? Do you know that the US has agreed with Georgia for prisoners?

[Clear]

Chernev called it a "brilliant operation" against the Armenian army, carried out with the use of advanced weapons and equipment.

And where did our VO go, do you understand, the Armenians? Who, after Karabakh, like the Ukrainians after Ilovaisk and Debaltseve, left no stone unturned here

[TermNachTer]

There was a brilliant advertisement - Turkish and Jewish technology))) we are unlikely to know the real results. But judging by the fact that Azerbaijan, immediately after the victory, bought weapons and equipment from the Turks for 700 million American money. That is not so brilliant, at least for Baku)))

[xorek]

Quote: TermNachTER

There was a brilliant advertisement - Turkish and Jewish technology))) we are unlikely to know the real results.

I agree ! There was a scream of admiration and all YouTube was literally packed with videos, others were simply overwritten ..

[venik]

Quote: TermNachTER

Anecdote from the series: "Now, if only, then we wow))))

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Surprisingly reminds:

".....It's good that I'm running fast!
And then if he caught up with me ...
I would make such a chop from him ...
You can't season with any side dish! ..."
(G.Khazanov "Student of the Kalinar technical school")

[knn54]

- also has territorial problems, like Ukraine, part of whose territory Russia has seized.
EVERYTHING, the official of the strategic partner burnt. Azerbaijan should not be in NATO.
And I would add "friendly" Turkey to the total.

[Krasnodar]

The Armed Forces of Ukraine do not have Azerbaijani qualifications and resources.

[rocket757]

Ukrainian official answered the question about the assessment of Azerbaijan's military tactics in the war for Karabakh

... Eh, how they got it up. There are partners, there are partners, and things are getting better and better for them !?

[Marachuh]

If Ukraine had an army, Turkey's support, its drones, personnel, Syrian militants ... if they had not done anything in the Donbas for 30 years and strengthened their defenses ... If Russia had not intervened ... If no one answered .... If there were no boilers ... And if it weren't so stubborn, then yes ...

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Chernev called it a "brilliant operation" against the Armenian army, carried out with the use of advanced weapons and equipment.

The victory for Azerbaijan was given with a lot of blood and the losses of Azerbaijan about 3000 people killed are not much inferior to the Armenian ones, therefore this operation cannot be called brilliant.

Moreover, the main factor that helped to defeat Azerbaijan is not the UAV at all, but the betrayal of Pashinyan.

The Armenian army had enough funds to take off all the UAVs of Azerbaijan from the air - this is the Su-30 and the TOP air defense missile system, and if Armenia was also really preparing for war, the position in NK could be strengthened much more by creating a network of strong points with air defense. artillery and anti-tank weapons surrounded by minefields.

But the people of Armenia decided to sell Karabakh for Pashinyan's promises of a sweet life while moving towards the EU and NATO.

But I don’t think that these promises will be realized in practice, the maxim that the Armenians will get is the opportunity to work in Europe without a visa.

Although who wants to work and earn a visa is not an obstacle.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The victory for Azerbaijan was given with a lot of blood and the losses of Azerbaijan about 3000 people killed are not much inferior to the Armenian ones, therefore this operation cannot be called brilliant.

The population of Azerbaijan is 10 million. The population of Armenia is 2 million. 3K losses from Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan only after the war transferred about 2K corpses of their soldiers. 5K during the war and at least 7K, and you say this is not a brilliant victory for Azerbaijan?)))
4 districts were returned without a single shot and without losses, is that not brilliant?
After the war, Azerbaijan returns on the border and the old lands that were transferred to the Armenians, is that not brilliant? Tanks only increased in Baku due to trophies of more than 100 units. So your conclusions are meaningless.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Moreover, the main factor that helped to defeat Azerbaijan is not the UAV at all, but the betrayal of Pashinyan.

Again, mislead users with the ax. I don't care about Pashinyan, but he did what the people wanted. Before the war, he personally said what we would do with Karabakh, to which everyone from the military to commoners said that they would drink tea in Baku. And after that he said in Karabakh that Karabakh is Armenia, period. That is, I wanted to spit on the OSCE. This was the desire of their people. Do you mean Serge or Kocharian are patriots? They are the last, albeit pro-Russian, but they put the entire army in a deplorable state.

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[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do you want to objectively assess the situation or simply from the point of view of national propaganda?

I am not at all pleading for the victory of Azerbaijan, as this is a fact.

But having a fivefold superiority in population and possessing large resources, Azerbaijan suffered in battles almost the same losses as Armenia. It is a fact. Moreover, Azerbaijan fought not against the army of Armenia, but against the army of NK and insignificant units of volunteer militias and a meager number of regular units of the Armenian army

It is also a fact that despite all Pashinyan's rhetoric, he surrendered everything so that Armenia would lose this war.

4 districts were returned without a single shot and without losses, is that not brilliant?

This is the result of Russian diplomacy and mediation. Even without Russia, Azerbaijan would have recaptured these areas, but it would have cost hundreds or thousands of Azerbaijani soldiers' lives.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Do you want to objectively assess the situation or simply from the point of view of national propaganda?

What kind of propaganda? You are either a supporter of Pegov or pretend. There are facts and my words come from facts. But you are engaged in disinformation.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But having a five-fold superiority in population and possessing large resources, Azerbaijan suffered in battles almost the same losses as Armenia.

3k versus 7k in the first of 10m and in the second 2m. Do you consider it almost the same loss? Further, Azerbaijan is the attacking side, and there are minefields and all that .... and its losses were for the attacking side (roughly speaking as a compliment) Did you undergo military training? Have you read about the percentage of casualties in combat?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Moreover, Azerbaijan did not fight against the army of Armenia

that is, all who died about 7k are citizens of the so-called Karabakh? ))))) Stop lying. You write disinformation here. The Armenians fought, on whose side the militants also fought. That is, militants and mercenaries can be openly allowed, but Armenians from Armenia cannot? Where is the logic? By the way, 20 were given a couple of mercenaries in Baku during the trial.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

It is also a fact that despite all Pashinyan's rhetoric, she passed everythingso that Armenia will lose this war.

Have you passed everything? ))) This is called CAPITULATION dear. The winning side dictates the terms. Don't you know?
The Armenians lost because they hoped too much for their "ancient invincible spirit" and also thought that Russian soldiers would fight for them (as always). It was not Pashinyan who lost, but Tonoyan, the former Armenian defense minister who threatened to seize half of Azerbaijan. Those who robbed the entire army lost. Pride lost them. And so on .... Not Pashinyan. Therefore, he is still in power.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

This is the result of Russian diplomacy and mediation.

it is the result and conditions arising from surrender.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Even without Russia, Azerbaijan would have recaptured these areas, but it would have cost hundreds or thousands of Azerbaijani soldiers' lives.

The first part is true, but the second is not. Russia needed to be there. There are a lot of reasons. One of them is divide and conquer. If the Armenians behave badly again, there will be no Armenians left in Karabakh. And if Aliyev will behave badly, peacekeepers will be there for centuries.

[Albay]

Former head of the NKR Defense Ministry Samvel Babayan in an interview with A1 + TV channel:
"Even before Nikol Pashinyan, a loan of 200 million was taken and TORs were ordered. Armenian specialists presented TORs as a panacea, the political leadership agreed and paid. At the time of the start of the war, six TORs were already in Artsakh and more were expected. 18 or 24. Four of the six existing TOPs were destroyed by enemy UAVs. On November 18, six more TOPs arrived. But the question arises if Russia should have transferred 21 more TOPs, for which it received payment, why did it transfer only On October 102, Russia announced its readiness to transfer 6 BUK-M1 units from base 26. Calculations were sent and prepared, but it turned out that five of the six units were damaged. Then it turned out that Russian repairmen could arrive only by November 27, and the repaired installations can only be handed over to us on November XNUMX. I would like to remind you that on October XNUMX-XNUMX, active negotiations were underway, during which the Azerbaijani side declared that it should reach Shushi and leave for themtime had to be stalled. Those who accuse Pashinyan of not stopping the war should know that stopping the war did not depend on Pashinyan. I believe that the ally was obliged to transfer in time the weapons for which they had already paid and did not do it on purpose, for the sake of our loss. Therefore, I propose to draw up a roadmap with an ally so that you know exactly what to expect and know when we will be stabbed in the back again. "

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Armenian army had enough funds to take off all the UAVs of Azerbaijan from the air - this is the Su-30 and the TOP air defense missile system.

You're lying again !!!! At the beginning of the war, they forgot how the Armenian Sushki25s were destroyed, do not know how it happened? )))))))))))) Well, let's say he raised Sushki and began to attack. Does Azerbaijan mean there is no means of combating Drying? AWACS flew constantly from Turkey, F16 stood, and frankly speaking, Azerbaijan does not need a multi-echelon air defense system. And Azerbaijan destroyed the Torahs and other air defense systems as 2 by 2.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

it would be possible to strengthen the position in NK significantly more by creating a network of strong points with air defense

Did you see what stronghold they built underground in Hadrut?) Did it help?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But the people of Armenia decided to sell Karabakh for Pashinyan's promises of a sweet life while moving towards the EU and NATO.

Loud words and deceitful ones. Armenians to give up the "Ancient Arsakh?"))))))))))) They lost, that's what happened to them. Not Karabakh, but Armenia and the Armenians lost.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But I don’t think that these promises will be realized in practice, the maxim that the Armenians will get is the opportunity to work in Europe without a visa.

If one of their large diasporas is in Argentina, do you think it is a problem for them to go to Europe? Everything they have rests on the loot. If there is money, they will go where they need to.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

The Su-30 does not need, like the Su-25 attack aircraft, to break through the air defense and bomb the enemy positions, they could remove the UAV from a distance of several tens of kilometers and in the event of an attack on them even with missiles from the F-16, leave them as the Su-30 did in India during the conflict with Pakistan.

And Armenia sent TOR to participate in the conflict at the very end, and in the only version, which managed to remove several Bayraktar from the sky until it was figured out and destroyed.

If you had used all the air defense systems Armenia from the very beginning of the conflict, everything could have been different.

Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh on purpose and this is the main factor in Azerbaijan's victories.

[Kangarli]

Former first deputy head of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces, Lieutenant General Tiran Khachatryan voiced a number of accusations against I. about. Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan.


In particular, according to the general, Pashinyan did not heed his advice to deploy barriers to stop the flight of 10 thousand Armenian deserters from Karabakh during the 44-day war.

“As the front commander, I personally asked Pashinyan to at least deploy barrage detachments to stop the fleeing ones if they did not resolve the relevant issues, even this he did not organize,” Khachatryan said.

Is it also Pashinyan's fault that they skidded from the battlefield? You contradict yourself. Write fought only with Karabakh and fight for him, write that the TOP was used. And where does Karabakh get the TOP? The military of which army ruled this TOP? If we did not fight with Armenia, but only with Karabakh, as you say, where did we get the captured equipment from the Ministry of Defense of Armenia? Why do we have prisoners of war in Armenia and not in Karabakh? If we didn’t fight with Armenia, why did they launch Iskander, Elbrus, Tochka missiles from the territory of Armenia into our peaceful cities? What other air defense do you need if we destroyed their S-300?

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Kangarli

Is it also Pashinyan's fault that they skidded from the battlefield?

The hate of local users towards the Turks is much greater than towards the Armenians. For this they will write whatever they want, but for the sake of Armenia and not Azerbaijan, and this is a fact. Nobody is interested in your truth. Truth is not needed here. The Armenians just do not do to show that they do not want to have anything in common with Russia, but look what they write here? Hence the fact that I am writing at the beginning of the post. I see no other explanation.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

At the very beginning, I pointed out that Azerbaijan fought against the army of Karabakh, with a small number of militias and separate army units of Armenia.

The Armenians showed captured militants from Syria, military advisers from Turkey were also present in Azerbaijan, so what ?! Does this mean that Turkey and ISIS fought against Nagorno-Karabakh in full force?

Let's objectively assess the situation.

And the UAVs of Azerbaijan were not destroyed by the S-300 air defense system, but an abandoned and faulty launcher from the S-300. In one complex there are 8 of them + several radars.

[Patigorsk2020]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The Su-30 does not need, like the Su-25 attack aircraft, to break through the air defense and bomb the enemy positions, they could remove the UAV from a distance of several tens of kilometers and in the event of an attack on them even with missiles from the F-16, leave them as the Su-30 did in India during the conflict with Pakistan.

Hindus are rolling in their technique. And the Armenians? Are there combat flights? How many hours did you fly? Pakistan does not have such air defense as Azerbaijan does. The skies of Azerbaijan are protected not only by the newest systems of Russia, but also by Israel and Belarus, and so on.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

And Armenia sent TOR to participate in the conflict at the very end, and in the only version, which managed to remove several Bayraktar from the sky until it was figured out and destroyed.

These are just words. Use facts. What's the bottom line? What is the fact?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Pashinyan surrendered Karabakh on purpose and this is the main factor in Azerbaijan's victories.

Be cunning !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 100%

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

I'm telling you about the facts, videos of the downed Bayraktar began to appear at the end of the conflict, as well as the only video of the destruction of the Armenian TOP.

And all that was before this was the destruction of the OS-AKM and various ZSU, which could not answer the Bayraktar in any way because of the greater height of their use than the height of the destruction of targets with these old complexes.

Why and why did Pashinyan buy so many old and useless Osa-AKM air defense systems? Why didn't you buy the same Armor or even TOP that can fight UAVs and other air threats?

Yes, because he only pretended to strengthen the defense of Nagorno-Karabakh, but in fact was engaged in sabotaging and provoking Azerbaijan.

Pashinyan deliberately gave Karabakh to Azerbaijan.

Pashinyan betrayed his people and country, he is an agent of the West and his task was to tear Armenia away from Russia, and in order to move towards the EU and NATO, it was necessary to somehow get rid of Nagorno-Karabakh, because countries with territorial disputes do not want to join these organizations ...

I do not beg for the victory of Azerbaijan, this is a fact, but I cannot say that this victory was achieved only by the military potential of Azerbaijan, since it is not so.

Pashinyan's betrayal is what ultimately led to the victory of Azerbaijan.

[Albay]

The air defense of Armenia has been integrated with the air defense of Russia and for a long time. In Karabakh, the air defense of naturally Armenians and the Armenian army, 90 percent of the draftees are from Armenia. Why are you kidding yourself?))
Like you want to beg for the victory of Azerbaijan? Azerbaijan somehow does not care what the sofa strategists think, we completed the task and, in my opinion, did it brilliantly. In 44 days we returned everything that we lost in 2 years. In 44 days the Germans forced France to surrender. We forced Armenia to surrender. If Armenia did not fight why did she sign the document?

[Albay]

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Armenia sent TOR to participate in the conflict at the very end, and in the only version, which managed to remove several Bayraktar from the sky until it was figured out and destroyed.

Former head of the NKR Defense Ministry Samvel Babayan in an interview with A1 + TV channel:
"Even before Nikol Pashinyan, a loan of 200 million was taken and TORs were ordered. Armenian specialists presented TORs as a panacea, the political leadership agreed and paid. At the time of the start of the war, six TORs were already in Artsakh and more were expected. 18 or 24. Four of the six existing TOPs were destroyed by enemy UAVs. On November 18, six more TOPs arrived. But the question arises if Russia should have transferred 21 more TOPs, for which it received payment, why did it transfer only On October 102, Russia announced its readiness to transfer 6 BUK-M1 units from base 26. Calculations were sent and prepared, but it turned out that five of the six units were damaged. Then it turned out that Russian repairmen could arrive only by November 27, and the repaired units can only be handed over to us on November XNUMX. I would like to remind you that on October XNUMX-XNUMX, active negotiations were underway, during which the Azerbaijani side declared that it should reach Shushi and leave for themtime had to be stalled. Those who accuse Pashinyan of not stopping the war should know that stopping the war did not depend on Pashinyan. I believe that the ally was obliged to transfer in time the weapons for which it was already paid and did not do it on purpose, for the sake of our loss. Therefore, I propose to draw up a roadmap with an ally so that you know what to expect and know when we will be stabbed in the back again. ": D

[GKA72]

He paid special attention to the use of shock drones by the Azerbaijani army, which, in his words, is the most advanced tactics of modern warfare.
It's all bullshit. Just some Armenians sold others. That's the whole secret of victory. In Little Russia, this option will not work.

[Angivin]

Quote: GKA72

He paid special attention to the use of shock drones by the Azerbaijani army, which, in his words, is the most advanced tactics of modern warfare.
It's all bullshit. Just some Armenians sold others. That's the whole secret of victory. In Little Russia, this option will not work.

It's just that someone still can't believe that your ally has been decomposed into spare parts. Azerbaijan does not need your recognition. He conquered what he needed, and no infaunas, repellents, tori, from 300, rubella and other junk helped the Armenians. Ce la vie.

[Boxer]

Quote: TermNachTER

There, everyone has their own truth. But Aliyev staged a massacre in vain, nothing good - it did not and will not give Azerbaijan.

Azerbaijanis and Armenians have almost the same proverb: "You cannot pull a pig out of the temple with prayers."

[Boxer]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Do you want to objectively assess the situation or simply from the point of view of national propaganda?

I am not at all pleading for the victory of Azerbaijan, as this is a fact.

But having a fivefold superiority in population and possessing large resources, Azerbaijan suffered in battles almost the same losses as Armenia. It is a fact. Moreover, Azerbaijan fought not against the army of Armenia, but against the army of NK and insignificant units of volunteer militias and a meager number of regular units of the Armenian army

It is also a fact that despite all Pashinyan's rhetoric, he surrendered everything so that Armenia would lose this war.

4 districts were returned without a single shot and without losses, is that not brilliant?

This is the result of Russian diplomacy and mediation. Even without Russia, Azerbaijan would have recaptured these areas, but it would have cost hundreds or thousands of Azerbaijani soldiers' lives.

Oh, this Armenian propaganda) How many profiles do you have? How do you manage to post the same nonsense everywhere under Russian names? Are you not tired of shedding crocodile tears about the poor and orphaned Armenians of Karabakh who "bravely" fought against the "bloodthirsty" Azerbaijan?
And you ask the Armenians, did Armenia fight there or not?)) Strange, the Armenian military and political leaders say that it was Armenia that lost its best (!) Military units in Karabakh, the entire regular army of Armenia was practically defeated:
1. “Former Chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces Yuri Khachaturov (former CSTO Secretary General - Pashinyan's enemy) called the involvement of the first army corps in the very first days of hostilities a mistake. From the point of view of the former chief of the General Staff of the Armenian Armed Forces, this corps should have been kept in reserve. "
Source: https: //ru.armeniasputnik.am/politics/20210608/27848461/Khachaturov-nazval-glavnuyu-oshibku-kotoraya-privela-k-porazheniyu-v-Karabakhe.html
2. And this is former Prime Minister G. Bagratyan who says that the Armenian army has been defeated, destroyed by 80%. Here is an article by the Military Review itself with a statement from the former Prime Minister of Armenia:
"Former Prime Minister of Armenia: 80 percent of our army is not - this is a rout."
https://topwar.ru/177468-jeks-premer-armenii-80-procentov-nashej-armii-net-jeto-razgrom.html#comment-id-10999109
3. Former President of Armenia Serzh Sargsyan stated: "Armenia made an attempt to encircle the Azerbaijani forces and lost the best brigades of reserve forces."
Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/3193085.html
4. The former head of the General Staff of Armenia, Colonel-General Movses Hakobyan, spoke about 1500 deserters from the Armenian forces on the fifth day of the war. According to the general, they were gathered in Karabakh and were not allowed to return to Armenia, so as not to sow panic. "
Source: https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-55005875
5 Former chief military commissar of Armenia - Major General Stepanyan about the Armenian deserters: "These are several tens of thousands of people, at least 10 thousand. Source: https://ru.armeniasputnik.am/radio."
This is from so. "nkr" were there so many deserters?)) As far as I understand, this is most of all the real Armenian male population of Nagorno-Karabakh, from babies to the very old)

[Boxer]

Quote: Patigorsk2020

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Do you want to objectively assess the situation or simply from the point of view of national propaganda?

What kind of propaganda? You are either a supporter of Pegov or pretend. There are facts and my words come from facts. But you are engaged in disinformation.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

But having a five-fold superiority in population and possessing large resources, Azerbaijan suffered in battles almost the same losses as Armenia.

3k versus 7k in the first of 10m and in the second 2m. Do you consider it almost the same loss? Further, Azerbaijan is the attacking side, and there are minefields and all that .... and its losses were for the attacking side (roughly speaking as a compliment) Did you undergo military training? Have you read about the percentage of casualties in combat?

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

Moreover, Azerbaijan did not fight against the army of Armenia

that is, all who died about 7k are citizens of the so-called Karabakh? ))))) Stop lying. You write disinformation here. The Armenians fought, on whose side the militants also fought. That is, militants and mercenaries can be openly allowed, but Armenians from Armenia cannot? Where is the logic? By the way, 20 were given a couple of mercenaries in Baku during the trial.

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

It is also a fact that despite all Pashinyan's rhetoric, she passed everythingso that Armenia will lose this war.

Have you passed everything? ))) This is called CAPITULATION dear. The winning side dictates the terms. Don't you know?
The Armenians lost because they hoped too much for their "ancient invincible spirit" and also thought that Russian soldiers would fight for them (as always). It was not Pashinyan who lost, but Tonoyan, the former Armenian defense minister who threatened to seize half of Azerbaijan. Those who robbed the entire army lost. Pride lost them. And so on .... Not Pashinyan. Therefore, he is still in power.

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This is the result of Russian diplomacy and mediation.

it is the result and conditions arising from surrender.

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Even without Russia, Azerbaijan would have recaptured these areas, but it would have cost hundreds or thousands of Azerbaijani soldiers' lives.

The first part is true, but the second is not. Russia needed to be there. There are a lot of reasons. One of them is divide and conquer. If the Armenians behave badly again, there will be no Armenians left in Karabakh. And if Aliyev will behave badly, peacekeepers will be there for centuries.

Don't be nervous) He has such a job. This is an Armenian bot under a Russian name, writes everywhere the same nonsense (literally word for word) from the commentary in the commentary about the poor "orphans" from the alleged "NKR" army who fought against the whole world)), in all resources, under all articles about conflict in Karabakh ...