In Ukraine, they found a way to make money on the Russian gas pipeline "Nord Stream - 2"

The topic of "Nord Stream-2" does not leave the pages of Ukrainian newspapers and Internet publications, the Ukrainian authorities are considering various options how not to be left with nothing after the launch of the Russian gas pipeline. Another idea was put forward by a Ukrainian political scientist, director of the Institute for Policy Analysis and Management Ruslan Bortnik.

According to Bortnik, Ukraine can earn money from the launch of the gas pipeline, and for this it is necessary to do nothing at all - to transfer part of the shares of Nord Stream 2 to Kiev. In his opinion, if Ukraine becomes the owner of the Russian gas pipeline, this will allow it to compensate for losses from the termination of gas transit through the gas transportation system. At the same time, Kiev does not ask for much, only "five-seven-ten percent."

The Ukrainian political scientist proposes to "transfer or sell" part of the shares of the Nord Stream 2 operator to the Ukrainian Naftogaz so that Kiev can "earn". At the same time, Bortnik admits that this option is "unrealistic." Among other options for preserving gas transit through Ukraine, he named the creation of a Russian-European consortium that will become the owner of the Ukrainian GTS or the conclusion of a new contract with Gazprom.

In other cases, after 2024, Kiev runs the risk of remaining either completely without transit, or pumping minimal volumes at low prices.

Meanwhile, the Ukrainian government is already considering the option of receiving compensation for the launch of the gas pipeline. According to Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmitry Kuleba, Kiev is ready to consider this option, the discussion of this topic is already underway. At the same time, he refused to say who should compensate for Ukraine's losses from the Russian gas pipeline and how much Kiev "wants" to receive.

Comments

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Gogol described the great Ukrainian dream

[NIKN]

Hmm ..., they dabbled with gas (there was no need to be impudent and steal), and now they also have to wipe their ass ... hmm ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Very funny wishlist velikoukrov! What, someone something owed or owed Ukraine? Or is it obliged to maintain it for life?

[Tatyana]

As Bortnik stated, Ukraine can earn money by launching the gas pipeline, and for this it is necessary to do nothing at all - to transfer part of the shares in Nord Stream 2 to Kiev. In his opinion, if Ukraine becomes the owner of the Russian gas pipeline, this will allow it to compensate for losses from the termination of gas transit through the gas transportation system. Wherein Kiev doesn’t ask for much, only “five-seven-ten percent”.

"5, 7, 10 percent" of the shares of "SP-2" correspond in the real economy to a very - and even VERY - HIGH profit at an enterprise of profitable expanded production, to which Ukraine has ABSOLUTELY ANYTHING.

For such a percentage of SP-2 shares, Ukraine had to invest and invest in its project, work and work on its construction, and not put a spoke in the wheels and then not just collect the cream from it!

Only ENDED Ukrainian NAZIS can count on this!

[Egoza]

Quote: Tatiana

For such a percentage of SP-2 shares, Ukraine had to invest and invest in its project, work and work on its construction, and not put a spoke in the wheels and then not just collect the cream from it!

Work? Invest? Yes you sho !!! But "we wish" the amount "the more, the better." And then we will shout: "Russia is an aggressor, robbed the poor Ukrainians!" True, Europe can look askance at these cries. And "where can the peasant go?"

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Egoza

And "where can the peasant go?"

Monsieur, it’s not a mange pa sis magazine. Goeben zi world bitte etvas kopeck auf dem shtyuk brod. Give me something to eat.

[Pechkin]

Tribalts are generally super developed countries, judging by your picture.
This is already to the doctor.

The Balts have a much smaller population and subsidies from the EU, GDP per capita is divided by all. Starting from a reindeer herder in the tundra, an avtoVAZ worker, a miner and a top manager of Gazprom, to the Old Believers in Siberia. So, it seems that Russia's GDP is large, but not very per capita, about 60th place at face value, and 50th in the world by PPP.

[figwam]

At the same time, Kiev does not ask for much, only "five-seven-ten percent."

Reminded ...

[alex neym_2]

Have you ever spawned, then taperich and contain [quote] [/ quote]

[Avior]

Soviet Armenia at what day, it turns out, was. And how she rushed to prosperity. And what are the Armenians unhappy with? :)
Only the picture is fake.
Ukraine, 2018 by GDP PPP according to the World Bank - 12629 dollars, 2019 - 13341.
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Список_стран_по_ВВП_(ППС)_на_душу_населения

[Pechkin]

You are right, I looked at the WB data, the picture was lying for a long time, I did not want to mislead anyone plus from me for being corrected.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

Ukraine, 2018 by GDP PPP according to the World Bank - 12629 dollars, 2019 - 13341.

And according to the IMF 13442 in the 18th and 13110 in the 19th, and who to believe? The tables are the same.

[Avior]

The WB and the IMF are different estimates, it is natural that there are different methods of calculation.
PPP is generally a very vague thing.

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: Avior

The WB and the IMF are different estimates, it is natural that there are different methods of calculation.
PPP is generally a very vague thing

Right. Therefore, it is difficult to trust such statistics.
But Ukraine has lost its population - how much horror. According to various estimates, the population is now 404 from 30 to 35 million. And we started with 52 !!!

[Avior]

Right. Therefore, it is difficult to trust such statistics.

the fact is that there was a false figure in the table.
it says that according to the World Bank, the estimate for 2018 is 9233, but in fact the World Bank gave an estimate of 12629 for 2018.
According to other figures, there is also a lie.
Someone concocted this sign and threw it into the network in the hope that people will not check

[kapitan92]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

... According to various estimates, the population is now 404 from 30 to 35 million. And we started with 52 !!!

[figwam]

And what kind of GDP will be without a pipe?

[Black lotos]

Quote: Avior

Only the picture is fake.

lies in pictures are better absorbed.
However, the same data in the Russian Wiki ... probably from there and drew it all.

[Avior]

I gave a link to the Russian page on Wiki
There are other data

[Clear]

Quote: Pechkin

they have the lowest GDP growth in terms of PPP of all the countries of the former USSR in 30 years of independence and still anyone is to blame, but not themselves.

And when did Bandera psychology create something?
Only hatred, murder and destruction ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

And when did Bandera psychology create something?

You have forgotten, you have created a scientific work as ancient ukry dug the Black Sea.

[Finches]

"Even old Humboldt said:" In the whole world I have not seen anything more magnificent than this stupid Galicia ""

[xorek]

There will be no freebie .. But there will be a COURT!

[knn54]

Something anecdote remembered:
Three are in session.
The first :
- But if I could buy a Chinese watch at a cheap price, use a time machine to fly into the past, in an era of stagnation, drive them there at high prices and buy dollars for 60 kopecks with the money received!
Second:
- Or is it better to invent such a machine like 3D Xerox, and then take a piece of gold, and xer it, xer!
Third (prime minister):
- So, gentlemen ministers ... will there be more proposals for improving the economy?

[Bumblebee_3]

xorek
Only now I am afraid that the European court will take the side of Ukraine. Unfortunately, there was already an applicant. Gazprom paid 3 billion.

[xorek]

Quote: Bumblebee_3

xorek
Only now I am afraid that the European court will take the side of Ukraine. Unfortunately, there was already an applicant. Gazprom paid 3 billion.

You are right Bumblebee! But the court will be in Beijing, I hope .. You won't be pampered there.
The Chinese will help us in catching traitors and other Natsiks, I am sure they have great experience ..

And we are all babysitting ..

[Sanichsan]

Quote: xorek

But the trial will be in Beijing, I hope ..

there are chances it turned out very awkward with mltor sich ...

[A009]

They are at the door, they are at the window.

[Silver bullet]

Them at the door and they are at the window. And so pitiful: "Ani badi home?"

[VORON538]

Yes, these are not partners, but freeloaders. And these need to be bypassed. Here is a branch, bypassing Ukraine. Ukrov has in his head: "where now to eat"? Have you tried to work? :)))

[tihonmarine]

Quote: VORON538

Have ukrov in my head: "where now to eat"? Did you try to work?

Why, it's easier - "Give alms to the poor son of Lieutenant Schmidt!"
Maybe someone will give it.

[VORON538]

I hope ours will stop serving these freeloaders, while the new ones will strip three skins from the freeloaders, education is only through pain. Some kind of offended freeloader will quietly minus mercilessly

[ccsr]

This is the "crystal dream" of the Ukrainian people - to live for free at the expense of Russia, and they do not even hide this.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: ccsr

Here it is the "crystal dream" of the Ukrainian people - to live for free at the expense of ...

It seems to me that Russia is only the first in the list of countries at whose expense the 404 country wants to live for free: who doesn't care, the main thing is to be sponsored

[Clear]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Quote: ccsr

Here it is the "crystal dream" of the Ukrainian people - to live for free at the expense of ...

It seems to me that Russia is only the first in the list of countries at whose expense the 404 country wants to live for free: who doesn't care, the main thing is to be sponsored

They were brought up in this freebie, in no small measure due to their convenient geographical location and babysitting with them during the Soviet era.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Clear

They were brought up in this freebie, in no small measure due to their convenient geographical location and babysitting with them during the Soviet era.

For 350 years, you can not learn this. But probably this is not given to everyone.

[altimo1]

What are 350 years old? Why not 1,5 million then? Ukraine is only 150 years old. And there is no violent Soviet Ukrainization even 100. Which nation? The destructive ideology is akin to Nazism, and it is still crude and primitive, based on animal instincts - to eat, shit, shit.

[sabakina]

Quote: ccsr

This is the "crystal dream" of the Ukrainian people - to live for free at the expense of Russia, and they do not even hide this.

A useless dream. They are like Shura Balaganov, they will lose all the freebies in the tram.

Dad, can you take it for fifty dollars? - Come on, this carriage of the past will not go far. Taxis are not available. We'll have to take the tram.
Shura, take care of your pockets!
Guard! Stole! Here it is, hold it!
Rogue! Pickpocket! Thief! Stole! The reedicle has been stolen!
There's a powder box! Ruble 75 kopecks! Keep it!
But there is a trade union card. I'm a union member ...
Don't let him out. Take him to the police.
I did not mean to. I am mechanically. Here's a cross for you! I did not want...
I didn’t want to, I’m mechanically, citizens.
Commander, goodbye! I am by accident, I am by accident.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sabakina

A useless dream. They are like Shura Balaganov, they will lose all the freebies in the tram.

Or as a geese-stealer Panikovsky. He asked for fifty rubles. ... - This is Panikovsky, - said Shura, - the son of Lieutenant Schmidt. Along the alley, in the shadow of the august ... The staff dragged Lieutenant Schmidt's third stupid child onto the porch and began to slowly swing it. Panikovsky was silent, obediently looking into the blue sky ...

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: ccsr

This is the "crystal dream" of the Ukrainian people - to live for free at the expense of Russia, and they do not even hide this.

Why are you signing for all the Ukrainian people? This is the dream of ukrovlast and svidomites, and they - minority people of Ukraine!

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Why are you signing for all the Ukrainian people?

Just don’t tell me about ordinary Ukrainians - I have studied them well over the years, and especially after the collapse of the USSR, when I traveled through Goptivka several times a year. For the most part, Ukrainians are envious thugs and goons, and this cannot be changed in them.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: ccsr

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Why are you signing for all the Ukrainian people?

Just don’t tell me about ordinary Ukrainians - I have studied them well over the years, and especially after the collapse of the USSR, when I traveled through Goptivka several times a year. For the most part, Ukrainians are envious thugs and goons, and this cannot be changed in them.

It seems that this is exactly who you are. And VERY stupid and arrogant. But to complain about you for violation of many points of the VO Rules I won’t..

[sabakina]

Mashkov, do not complain, you anathematize! I haven't finished school yet, my elder friend from the yard, who after graduating from a military school, visited the krai, said: "They don't like us there, they call us hungry Muscovites." It was at the very beginning of the 80s ... So who is stupid?

[VORON538]

But things are still there. "Hungry" Russians again, for some reason, owe the independent khataskrayniks, so that they do not die of hunger.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: VORON538

But things are still there. "Hungry" Russians again, for some reason, owe the independent khataskrayniks, so that they do not die of hunger.

And there are khataskrayniki not only in / in Ukraine. There are enough of them in Russia too. And Ukraine is часть Russia, Russian Empire, temporarily separated. The Ukrainians are not some other people, but part of the Russian. Also temporarily separated!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: sabakina

Mashkov, do not complain, you anathematize! I haven't finished school yet, my elder friend from the yard, who after graduating from a military school, visited the krai, said: "They don't like us there, they call us hungry Muscovites." It was at the very beginning of the 80s ... So who is stupid?

Vyacheslav - "sabakina",
Firstly, I have never once complained to the VO administration about many who insulted me. But on me your one-thinkers - many times on far-fetched reasons.

Secondly, I am Russian, with roots from the neighboring region of yours, now, by the will of fate, living in that part of Novorossia that while near Ukraine, I know the customs and opinions of my current fellow citizens better than the "experts from afar". Not from the words of someone, but according to personal impressions. Overwhelming majority theirs is very good towards Russia and the Russians. Fiction about the fact that all Ukrainians, Ukrainian citizens Bandera, sympathizing with them and Russophobes-a brazen shameless lie. And they know it all normal people and Russians. And the provocateurs (Russian, Ukrainian and Israeli), yes, they lie, claiming that all the inhabitants of Ukraine hate Russia and the Russians (their goals are simple and clear: to break and weaken Russia). If you are not a provocateur, then you should know and understand this!

Thirdly, there are NO good or bad nations and peoples in the world at all. IN any the nation / people have both good and bad people!

It is strange that you have to explain simple truths to "smart people". Although everyone considers themselves smart, even the notorious ... D.U. cancer ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It seems that this is exactly who you are. And VERY stupid and arrogant.

Maybe. But only I know only too well how "simple" Ukrainians began to engage in extortion immediately after crossing the border, and everything in a row, starting with the border guards, who promised at the entrance of Goptivka from the Russian side a problem-free ride for a thousand rubles, and ending with the Kherson sanitary services, Russian cars and sold them some "ecological" certificates invented by them for five hundred rubles.

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But I will not complain about you for violating many points of the VO Rules ..

This is your whole point - you cannot improve relations with Russia and run like lackeys to the West, demanding that they impose sanctions on us. To fight with the Donbass, where ordinary hard workers have taken up arms, you are certainly a master. But at the same time, accusing the Russian military personnel of the occupation of Donbass, like the last Tori, you are afraid to hit the territory of Russia and declare war on it.
And after that do you want to be respected in Russia? Yes, our ancestors cursed you for Mazepa, and now they curse you for the same thing.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: ccsr

And after that do you want to be respected in Russia? Yes, our ancestors cursed you for Mazepa, and now they curse you for the same thing.

Explaining to people who, without hesitation, draw conclusions about an entire country or all of humanity from a few scoundrels is a useless business.

I sincerely wish you thinkbefore you blur out something.

How do you look like ukroskakunov ...

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Explaining to people who, without hesitation, draw conclusions about an entire country or all of humanity from a few scoundrels is a useless business.

so why are you all so good these few scoundrels on the pitchfork, why are you looking down when you see the march of the Ssovites ?!

[Sanichsan]

Quote: ccsr

And after that, you want to be respected in Russia?

do not try ... as long as I remember Vladimir, he here pushes the same idea that not all Ukronazis are equally bad. they say there are those who throw ridges and now they are bad, and there are those who do not throw ridges and now they are good and we need to try on them. You tell him historical facts about the fact that there is no and there was no brotherly Ukrainian people, that there are little and great people who are one people and are the Ukrainian people - the antagonism of all Russian and this Ukrainianity was created and cultivated as fierce Russophobia, but no ... in response, he has only the mantra that most Ukrainians are normal ...

[VORON538]

Alas, the very Ukrainians who fled to the Far East from the war showed themselves not on their best side. As it turned out, we became guilty, according to them, for their move. Moreover, they were paid too little money, they expected more. In general, and sit down and eat a fish. '

[hagen]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

This is the dream of the ukrovlast and svidomites, and they are a minority of the people of Ukraine!

But the majority chose them, and which one ?!

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Hagen

But the majority chose them, and which one ?!

I am not making excuses for my current desperate compatriots, who passionately hoped that their choice would be at least a little like Putin.
But they had little choice. Russia emphatically abandoned Ukraine and "washed its hands." Even here on VO there are a lot of those who yell: yourself, yourself. The choice was this: either not to walk at all, or to take a chance with Zelea by voting against the Banderaites and their leader Poroshenko. Now it is clear that it was better not to walk at all: Zelya turned out to be even worse.
And an uprising is now impossible in Ukraine. Read why in my article.

[hagen]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But they had little choice.

The main thing is that he was. There was Muraev, there was Boyko. But you chose a traitorous clown with experience in KVN instead of studying at the university. Who is to blame for you?

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Russia emphatically abandoned Ukraine and "washed its hands"

Do you need a nanny with a pacifier, excuse me, with cookies? It was the Banderlog who bent and bent you, and you lay down under them. The millionth city of a thousand newcomers zapadentsev under the plinth drove. The Crimeans stood up against the Maydanuts more amicably, and therefore the help went to the future. You liked that Ukraine is not Russia, who is to blame for you that you profiled "the richest economy in the USSR"?

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

But they had little choice.

The main thing is that he was. There was Muraev, there was Boyko. But you chose a traitorous clown with experience in KVN instead of studying at the university. Who is to blame for you?

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

Russia emphatically abandoned Ukraine and "washed its hands"

Do you need a nanny with a pacifier, excuse me, with cookies? It was the Banderlog who bent and bent you, and you lay down under them. The millionth city of a thousand newcomers zapadentsev under the plinth drove. The Crimeans stood up against the Maydanuts more amicably, and therefore the help went to the future. You liked that Ukraine is not Russia, who is to blame for you that you profiled "the richest economy in the USSR"?

It is difficult to speak with a person who is poorly versed in the topic and judges the whole world strictly from the couch. But I will try.

There was no choice. Both Muraev and Boyko are a cross between Yanukovych and Zelensky. And, perhaps, completely the same.

You need a nanny with a pacifier (or with beer pancakes?), Witty! And I personally took part in demonstrations, rallies, faced Bandera with bats closely. And he did not lie under anyone. And I do NOT agree that "Ukraine is not Russia", did NOT profuse anything and honestly worked all my life, including in the seas of the Far East. Your stupid accusations are unfounded. In language, it’s easier than it actually is. I suppose if you were with us, you would not have done anything either, sofa hero.

И About us, nothing was needed and did NOT need to be done. It was necessary and necessary - help with a subsequent return after all your expenses have been worked out. Ukraine is able to fully support itself after the change of power.

[hagen]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It is difficult to speak with a person who is poorly versed in the topic

Well, of course. This is only your most objective opinion. That's the way it is everywhere. Everybody is stupid, everybody is to blame, only we must all but have not fulfilled their duties to help us. Is it such a virus in Ukraine?

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

And for us, nothing has to be done and nothing has to be done

That's right. What navayli, so are fed, you are ours.

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It was necessary and necessary - to help with the subsequent return after working out all your expenses.

If it's not a secret, from when did you have to help? Since 1991? You (I mean not you personally, but Ukraine as a single community), after all, all your independence was engaged in blackmail and gross exploitation of "fraternal" relations with you. Under no president did Ukraine want equal fulfillment of treaty obligations. What about gas, what about An. You didn't even want to answer for the downed Russian civilian plane, you didn't find the courage. And now you complain about "washed hands"?

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

In language, it’s easier than it actually is.

Yes ... One language (the Treaty of Friendship and the Declaration of Neutral Status), but in fact another (partnership programs with NATO and the EU for a long time before 2014). I would also suggest that you delve deeper into the topic. There are a dozen in response to each of your claims.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Hagen

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It is difficult to speak with a person who is poorly versed in the topic

Well, of course. This is only your most objective opinion. That's the way it is everywhere. Everybody is stupid, everybody is to blame, only we must all but have not fulfilled their duties to help us. Is it such a virus in Ukraine?

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

And for us, nothing has to be done and nothing has to be done

That's right. What navayli, so are fed, you are ours.

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

It was necessary and necessary - to help with the subsequent return after working out all your expenses.

If it's not a secret, from when did you have to help? Since 1991? You (I mean not you personally, but Ukraine as a single community), after all, all your independence was engaged in blackmail and gross exploitation of "fraternal" relations with you. Under no president did Ukraine want equal fulfillment of treaty obligations. What about gas, what about An. You didn't even want to answer for the downed Russian civilian plane, you didn't find the courage. And now you complain about "washed hands"?

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

In language, it’s easier than it actually is.

Yes ... One language (the Treaty of Friendship and the Declaration of Neutral Status), but in fact another (partnership programs with NATO and the EU for a long time before 2014). I would also suggest that you delve deeper into the topic. There are a dozen in response to each of your claims.

My opinion is closer to reality for two reasons. First, I am not young, I am in my eighties, I lived a lot, saw a lot, studied a lot, I know a lot. The second is me inside subject of discussion and communicate with the people about whom we are talking. And how old are you and where are you from, what all do you know about Ukraine thoroughly?

For help, you cleverly bypassed the essence and snatched and twisted only that you profitable.

Speaking of any society (including Ukrainian) in any case must not to speak of it as homogeneous: all societies of the world consist of people of different opinions, views, sympathies. In many countries, governments and people are not the same thing. It is only in Ukraine that the Svidomites and Bandera squeals: Ukraine is united and all against Russia and the Russians. You won't be one of them?

With questions about blackmail, exploitation, obligations, gas, aircraft, NATO and the EU, you should contact the authorities and the government: you should understand that this is their competence, not mine and ordinary people. Although I personally completely agree with you.

About "There will be a dozen in response to each of your claims.", I already understood that you are an experienced demagogue, a lover of talk and similar balancing act.

Good luck to you!

[hagen]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

I already understood that you are an experienced demagogue, a lover of talk and similar balancing act.

Well, that is, in fact, you have nothing to answer. So they would say right away ...

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

In many countries, governments and people are not the same thing.

If you are so mature and well-educated, you should understand that no matter how different the people are from their state administration, in international relations the view, essence, and obligations under treaties are still borne by the ruling elite. And according to her actions, the state is assessed by all the forces interacting with it. And whatever the Ukrainian people may be, their role is reduced only to the level of extras, and the political class, the ruling elite, if you will, will personify it and shape relations with neighbors.

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

And how old are you and where are you from that you know everything thoroughly about Ukraine?

I never said that I know everything, and even more so, as you say, thoroughly. Nobody knows everything, even those who are inside the discussed topic. Moreover, such as Ukraine. Therefore, I will refrain from your similar categoricalness in assessing your awareness of the topic.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Hagen

Well, that is, in fact, you have nothing to answer. So they would say right away ...

Yes ... To direct questions - evasive pompous answers with smearing ... on the walls and false accusations of the opponent in своих sins. With you, sir (or pan?), Everything is clear. Forgive!

[hagen]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

To direct questions - evasive pompous answers with smearing ... on the walls and false accusations of the opponent for their sins

Here I am about the same ... I tell you about the An-70 program, which you conscientiously drowned in the lack of funding from your side, hoping that Russia will pay you 100%. And then they wanted to push this program into Europe without us. You were thrown there like the last .... For the sake of a joint project with you on the An-140, we froze our Il-112. What happened to us sideways .... Tell you about the gas agreements? Or maybe it's a lie that you shot down a civilian plane with an anti-aircraft missile and for two decades have been repeating the mantra - "it's not me"? You have confidently earned your negative reputation. Everything. It is not for nothing that they say that every nation is worthy of its government. And it's not just me talking about it. Your Azarov, Zakharchenko (Ministry of Internal Affairs) wrote about this in their books, various Belgian authors. What are the complaints against me? You have nothing to answer, so you give

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

To direct questions - evasive pompous answers with smearing ... on the walls and false accusations of the opponent for their sins.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

How does a provocateur, a troll, a demagogue and just a chatterbox differ from of normal person? When of normal you specifically ask a person about specific things, including who he is, where he is from, on the basis of which he draws his conclusions, then he specifically answers. A provocateur, a troll, a chatterbox-talker will chat about anything and accuse you of all the sins of the world, but your questions never Will NOT answer!

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Vladimir Mashkov

And an uprising is now impossible in Ukraine. Read why in my article.

probably because the "majority" of "good" Ukrainians are yelling fat for Heroes?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ccsr

This is the "crystal dream" of the Ukrainian people - to live for free at the expense of Russia

Forgetting words ...
OMAR HAYYAM.
"Do not do evil - will return as a boomerang,
Do not spit in the well - you will drink water,
Do not insult anyone below rank
What if you have to ask for something.
Don’t betray your friends, you won’t replace them,
And don’t lose your loved ones - you won’t return
Do not lie to yourself - over time, check
That you are betraying yourself with this lie. ”

[TerraSandera]

Losses must be compensated by the USA

[Avior]

Another idea was put forward by a Ukrainian political scientist

This political scientist is no one to call him. Who cares what he came up with, I don't understand why they pulled him to VO, free advertising, or something.
In fact, the fresh news is completely different.

The Ukrainian company "Naftogaz" wants to get from "Gazprom" access to the transit of gas from Central Asia through the gas transmission system of Ukraine .... the company is already preparing official requests for permission to transit gas through the pipes of "Gazprom". “If they [Gazprom] refuse, the next step will be to file a complaint with the European Commission and the court,” Vitrenko added.

This is much more serious news.
Vitrenko appears to be trying to make an alternative gas supply to both Ukraine and Europe, using what Gazprom has repeatedly stressed that JV2 is a purely commercial project.

[ANB]

... The Ukrainian company "Naftogaz" wants to get from "Gazprom" access to the transit of gas from Central Asia through the gas transmission system of Ukraine .... the company is already preparing official requests for permission to transit gas through the pipes of "Gazprom". “If they [Gazprom] refuse, the next step will be to file a complaint with the European Commission and the court,” Vitrenko added.

So what's the problem? They get a permit to build a gas pipeline, build and pump it. Do not forget to pay for transit through the territory of Russia. Is there money for all this?

[Avior]

they want to use the existing one. If prohibited, it is monopoly and unfair competition.

[VORON538]

Tell your "friends of Ukraine" from America about fair competition. And Ukraine itself constantly accuses Russia of the fact that the Russian army is fighting on the territory of 404. let them build their own branch on their own for transit and bypassing our territory!

[Avior]

Let's see how Gazprom will respond to this.

[VORON538]

I still hope that these freeloaders will be sent to the pedestrian erotic! Russia is not obliged to drag on its hump a nationalist Ukraine, which has territorial claims to it. Arguments about the work of Russian companies in the Crimea, otpayut.Poka, your Wishlist looks like the wishlist of those very Svidomo freeloaders, which prompts certain reflections.

[VORON538]

Can you substantiate why Russia SHOULD feed Ukraine? If you wanted cookies from zaluzhnye, let them eat in a mouthful!

[Avior]

it is you who assert, not me, you and justify

[VORON538]

So far, I see an eternal list of wishes from Ukraine. Germany owes them, then Russia, then the states. No, now, yourself. If you want a transit, build your GTS. Without Russia, for your own, if you find

[ANB]

... they want to use the existing

Yes, they want a lot more. Contract for download or do not want to pay, once existing?

[Avior]

No details yet. Let's see what happens next

[ANB]

... Let's see what happens next

And what is there to watch.
There will be no Central Asian gas in Ukraine. Or it will be on such terms that they themselves will refuse.
Although it would be cool to make a synchronous contract with pumping through Ukraine. Download or pay, plus Ukrainian pumping rates. And the minimum volume is no less than Russian pumping. Calculations for our pumping in Ukraine only after payment for the Ukrainian one. And return 3 lard forward. And yes, since the capacities are already taken, the expansion is due to Ukraine on a prepaid basis.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Vitrenko seems to be trying to make an alternative gas supply to both Ukraine and Europe

Well, someone will have to pay for transit through the pipes of "Gazprom", there is no free cheese even in a mousetrap.

[Avior]

you will, of course, undoubtedly you are right.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

you will, of course, undoubtedly you are right.

This is where I have vague doubts.

[Avior]

will not pay, Gazprom will gladly sue.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

will not pay, Gazprom will gladly sue.

From Ukraine debts to receive "that I am a cow-goat of milk".

[Avior]

that's why the courts exist.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

that's why the courts exist.

Yes, since 2013 until now, the London court has not been able to demand 3 billion in debt from Ukraine. Therefore, one must beware of having financial affairs with an unreliable partner. "Thrown once, thrown a second."

[Avior]

So far, the London court does not demand anything from Ukraine, the case is pending.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

So far, the London court does not demand anything from Ukraine, the case is pending.

And so for 7 years. Is it possible to trust and lend to such partners again?

[Avior]

the partner who was given a loan is sitting in Rostov :))
If someone does not trust the London courts, you should not give money through England, as I understand it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

the partner who was given a loan is sitting in Rostov :))

The money was given to Ukraine and not to Yanukovych. The three billion loan was provided by Russia to Ukraine back in December 2013 at five percent per annum for a period until December 20, 2015 within the framework of a large credit line of $ 15 billion. Ukrainian Eurobonds were placed on the Irish Stock Exchange and bought out by Russia at the expense of the National Wealth Fund.
And what has to do with the Rostov prisoner, and the point is not in him, but in the state, which does not want to pay debts, but receive a "freebie".
And who will deal with such a state?
For card debt in good times, "they beat on the face with candelabra."

[Avior]

I know who they gave. And why they issued it through England, and not directly.
And now here is the result - what is so clear and understandable to you, the court in London has been examining it for the seventh year.

For card debt in good times, "they beat on the face with candelabra."

Rostov old-timer lost at cards?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Avior

Rostov old-timer lost at cards?

No, of course, it was Ukraine that lost at cards, but rather just healed dollars. And now who will give her money, let them take it from the IMF, they do not refuse anyone.

[carstorm 11]

Do you have a car? Do you want me to give it to me for the weekend so that I would ride it for girls? This is what your more serious proposal sounds like. I understand that the courts have long rules to judge from the point of view of what I want to turn. But to demand from Gazprom admission so that it would also drag gas from Central Asia to you)))) there are no other ways, as it were)))

[Avior]

This is roughly what your more serious proposal sounds like.

this is not my suggestion. But it makes sense to take seriously the statements of the person who was able to knock off $ 3 billion from Gazprom, in my opinion. Instead, for some reason we read on VO the self-PR of some political scientist.

I understand that the courts have long rules to judge from the point of view of what I want to turn.

it's just that in the courts some arguments are put forward, but for the internal public discussion - completely different. This is how a part of the public has such an opinion about courts and arbitration.

[carstorm 11]

You will not understand that there were two ships and they lost the first?))) And that Gazprom, in fact, killed this one in Ukraine for the payment of an annual transit?))) I will repeat at 16,17:80 pm and they were pumping 40+ yards through Ukraine) and they earned much more and then, having received a one-time payment, the transit fell to 150?))) This ingenious plan will be taught in textbooks))) how, in order to show profit at least once, the entire GTS was essentially castrated?))) Through a pipe with a throughput of 40 to pump 70 all the years declaring that its profitability starts from XNUMX, it is well kapets brilliant))))

[Avior]

Lost for $ 3 billion
Yes, it will be included in all textbooks.
And about 40 billion cubic meters, they were going to cancel it at all, this has nothing to do with ships, SP2 began to be built for other reasons, and not because of ships

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

Lost for $ 3 billion

Moreover, in a fraudulent way, and you know this very well, this is a "great reversal".
Only you will lose ten times more on this peremog, it will not reach you, as they say, I will not eat, for a bite.

Quote: Avior

And about 40 billion cubic meters, they were going to cancel it altogether,

Most likely, they will cut it, because we need to keep your pipe in working order, if suddenly the demand for gas in Europe rises sharply, and we need it.

[Avior]

... And in a fraudulent way, and you know that very well

This is the first time I hear about this, enlighten ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

This is the first time I hear about this, enlighten ...

“We are talking about the appeal of a separate decision of the Stockholm Arbitration in the case of gas supplies between Naftogaz and Gazprom, issued on May 31, 2017. In this decision, the court of the Stockholm Chamber of Commerce completely rejected Gazprom's claims under the take-or-pay clause..

Read more: https://ukraina.ru/exclusive/20191127/1025832198.html
Those. Ukrainian crooks refused to pay a penalty to Gazprom, citing their difficult economic situation, and the crooks from the Stockholm court followed their lead.
Do you really not know this story, or are you just pretending to be unseen?

[Avior]

In Stockholm, not a court, but an arbitration.
I see nothing fraudulent, the decision was made by the arbitration
The take-or-pay principle was contested across Europe to Gazprom.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

The take-or-pay principle was contested across Europe to Gazprom.

On what basis, if this principle was spelled out in the Supply Agreement? They protested only because the crooks themselves, like Naftogaz.

Quote: Avior

I see nothing fraudulent, the decision was made by the arbitration

This is your whole point - and after that you want Ukrainians to be respected in Russia?

Quote: Avior

In Stockholm, not a court, but an arbitration.

What does this fundamentally change in the scam in relation to Gazprom on the part of Naftogaz?

[Avior]

take or pay - buyers protested almost all over Europe. Ukraine is just one of them

This is your whole point

Rather yours. You read the word somewhere, but you find it difficult to explain what it means

In Stockholm, not a court, but an arbitration.

What does this fundamentally change in a scam ...

Stockholm Arbitration is a private company, the whole credibility of which lies only in its business reputation. Therefore, the arguments about what was allegedly wrongly judged there are simply frivolous.
They earn money just because they deal with cases fairly, otherwise no one will go to them to sue ...

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

take or pay - buyers protested almost all over Europe. Ukraine is just one of them

Those. do you justify your own dishonesty by this? So maybe they stole gas in Ukraine, too, legally in the XNUMXs, the children were freezing and pulled it in?

Quote: Avior

Stockholm Arbitration is a private company, the whole credibility of which lies only in its business reputation.

Don't talk nonsense - when concluding bilateral agreements, both parties agree in advance who will consider their disputes, and choose those whom they trust and where it will be cheaper and faster for both parties, based on the experience.

Quote: Avior

They make money just because they deal fairly,

Those. refusal to call on Ukraine to fulfill its obligations and not punish them for violation of the treaty, is this your understanding of "justice"? Why are you surprised that many people in Russia consider you to be swindlers?

[Avior]

Those. do you justify your own dishonesty by this?

which you have not explained in any way.

So maybe they stole gas in Ukraine, too, legally in the XNUMXs

What are you talking about? Gas is measured at the inlet and outlet, readings are taken once a month, theft will be immediately visible - you need to immediately demand money for the stolen goods, through the courts, if necessary.
But I haven't heard of that. Where is the conclusion - if there was theft, then joint with someone from the leadership of Gazprom, since they closed their eyes

Don't talk nonsense - when concluding bilateral agreements, both parties agree in advance who will consider their disputes, and choose those whom they trust and where it will be cheaper and faster for both parties, based on the experience.

and there is. they chose the Stockholm Arbitration, and it is written in the contract, it is he who is one of the most reputable firms in matters of business disputes. And now you suddenly write about some kind of scam

Those. refusal to call on Ukraine to fulfill its obligations and not punish them for violation of the treaty, this is your understanding of "justice"

Why mine? This is common, including for Gazprom, he chose it himself and entered it into the contract.

[ccsr]

Quote: Avior

and there is. they chose the Stockholm Arbitration Court, and it is recorded in the contract, it is he who is one of the most reputable firms in matters of business disputes.

They made a mistake in their choice - they turned out to be the same swindlers as Naftogz, and they refused to Russia in a legal requirement to pay for the penalty, tk. there was a take-or-pay clause in the agreement, and Ukraine did not fulfill this. You see, the "bad economic situation" was as if Russia had a wonderful one.

[Avior]

this is the most common method of arbitration - Gazprom was there before a dispute with Naftogaz on various issues, continued later

Gazprom Export will be suing Germany's Uniper, its largest European gas buyer, in Stockholm. Gazprom's trading division sent a notice to Uniper about the commencement of an arbitration proceeding demanding a revision of gas prices under the contract starting from February 1, 2018. “Going to arbitration to resolve a contractual dispute is a standard practice provided for in such contracts,” Gazprom said in a statement.

[sabakina]

Avior, it is in the article about the SP-2. What does the Ukrainian GS have to do with it?

[Avior]

speech there from some dummy-political scientist for the sake of PR. He cannot demand any shares, no one will listen to him. This is not news, I do not know why they brought it to VO. The real news is what Vitrenko said about the transit of Asian gas.

[hagen]

Quote: Avior

This is much more serious news.

We are not parties to the energy charter. We are not obliged to provide our facilities for the transit of foreign gas, especially when they are 100% occupied with our product. So the news is so-so. Moreover, this is not news at all. This topic has been discussed for a long time and to no avail. By the way, about the idea of ​​this political scientist. The idea itself is for Ukraine to enter SP-2 with its UGS facilities, and receive shares in SP-2 precisely for the proposed capacity. I would not say that the idea is completely bad. The partner is bad, unreliable and thieving, yes. Ruslan Bortnik himself, in fact, voices quite sensible ideas, but under the current system of power in Ukraine, they are not applicable. Kiev does not think about the economy at all. There in the head of Bandera + Washington prescriptions.

[Avior]

the ideas of the political scientist interest me little, no one will listen to him and will not take him seriously.
Vitrenko is a completely different question. He is an official, and his experience in such matters makes him take his words seriously. I am sure that Gazprom also noticed his statement, in contrast to this political scientist.

[hagen]

Quote: Avior

I am sure that Gazprom also noticed his statement, in contrast to this political scientist.

What statement do you mean by Vitrenko?

[Avior]

the one I quoted above is about the transit of Asian gas.

[hagen]

Quote: Avior

on the transit of Asian gas

I have already expressed my opinion on this idea. It is already several years old, and none of our power engineers and gas workers is in no hurry to even spit in that direction. I think they are not interested in this idea at all.

[Avior]

I think Vitrenko somehow sees this issue, otherwise he would not have raised

[hagen]

Quote: Avior

I think Vitrenko somehow sees this issue, otherwise he would not have raised

After raising such issues, the idea was voiced today that Ukraine may lose transit before the expiration of the current agreement.
"..." The statement sounds like a big stupidity and political PR, - explains Vyacheslav Mishchenko. - Ukraine does not have extraterritorial legislation, only the United States has a unique position to use its legislation for extraterritorial actions when they impose sanctions or engage in judicial and investigative actions. on their territory.
As for the European Commission, firstly, Ukraine is not a part of the European Union, and secondly, the Russian Federation has nothing to do with the EU and its decisions.
Thirdly, in Russia, literally a year ago, the Constitution was changed in favor of the primacy of national law over international. Therefore, this information has no goals, except for rough PR. Gazprom will not pay fines and comply with court decisions "...." Something like that.

[Avior]

I remember reading something similar before Gazprom lost Vitrenko in a 3 billion case

[hagen]

Quote: Avior

I remember reading something similar

Chew, see ...

[Okolotochny]

I remember reading something similar before Gazprom lost Vitrenko in a 3 billion case

One should not confuse the signed agreement, where the Court was stipulated, in which disputes and unfounded statements should be dealt with. Gazprom honestly fulfilled the contract and complied with the Court's verdict. It was this court that was provided for by the contract. No need to cast a shadow over the fence.

[Avior]

Yeah. And I read this then.
Gazprom did not comply with the court's verdict, in case you forgot.
This became one of the points of the agreement on gas transit and the abolition of other claims - thanks to Zelensky, he merged.
Actually, we are not already discussing the claim, but for now only the very fact of Vitrenko's statement.

[Okolotochny]

And I read this then.

You read in such comments, and not the releases of Gazprom?

Vitrenko's statements

And I'm telling you that his statements are neither hot nor cold. The European Commission and the court cannot be drawn here. This is not a contract.
And on the basis of the lawsuit, why was Ukraine not attracted by "take or pay"? Explicit bias. And the reference to "poor economic condition" is inappropriate. There is a contract, be kind, obey. Can not? Make an agreement with the other party. So with this lawsuit - the West believes that Russia should maintain a policy with low social responsibility.

[Avior]

Yes, I remember the same reasoning, about how neither hot nor cold.

[Okolotochny]

That is, again, you admit that they will try to "pull off" Russia? And not justified? Without an agreement? I wonder, do you work with such people in Israel? And how are they treated?

[Avior]

I admit that your reasoning is as far from reality as those that I read then.
But the fact that Vitrenko's plans are based on something, on some subtleties of the gas market - I also admit this, he actually confirmed that he understands this
Therefore, I wrote that the news deserves attention, in contrast to the empty statements of some political scientist in the article.

[Okolotochny]

This is much more serious news.

This is not serious news, but convulsions. They realized that they would remain in flight and begin to build mriyas.

they want to use the existing one. If prohibited, it is monopoly and unfair competition.

Is it okay that this is the property of Russia and on the territory of Russia?

complaint to the European Commission

Base? Third energy package? I have already written above, the territory of Russia.

court

Which one? What is the basis? Stockholm? There is no contract, so it was not negotiated. Another court? We read the amendments to the Constitution of the Russian Federation.

[Avior]

Wait and see.

[Okolotochny]

Let's try.

[Avior]

I'm afraid I have nothing to do with either Naftogaz or Gazprom.
If you also have a question, then we will not try
we can discuss it as much as possible

[isv000]

Quote: TerraSandera

Losses must be compensated by the USA

FSA compensate ... Until everything, up to black soil, is not taken out and will be compensated ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: isv000

Until everything, up to the black soil, will not be taken out and will be compensated ...

And then they will say - "and Bidon does not remember this."

[sabakina]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: isv000

Until everything, up to the black soil, will not be taken out and will be compensated ...

And then they will say - "and Bidon does not remember this."

Don't remember what? That there was black soil in Ukraine?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: sabakina

Don't remember what? That there was black soil in Ukraine?

Of course he doesn't remember "Maybe they had black soil, or maybe not. But now it's certainly not there, but we have nothing to do with it."

[your1970]

Quote: sabakina

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: isv000

Until everything, up to the black soil, will not be taken out and will be compensated ...

And then they will say - "and Bidon does not remember this."

Don't remember what? That there was black soil in Ukraine?

And you think - Biden knows at least something about black soil ???? !!!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: your1970

Do you think - Biden knows at least something about black soil?

Biden only knows that something in Ukraine can be bought for cents and millions of dollars can be received. Business and nothing else.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: TerraSandera

Losses must be compensated by the USA

The United States forgives its debts to everyone.

[Alexander 3]

How tired everyone is of Ukraine, of arrogance, greed, anger.

[tralflot1832]

It's easier for the mythical Wagner to pay to solve this problem forever. Let's take an example from the most democratic, postal country in the world. Or you can attract Black Water, which is more rational.

[isv000]

It was necessary not to slow down in 2014, then Wagner would not have to pay either. Although, then they wanted to catch us on this, but we were not ready for a big war, as, indeed, now. In 1941 there was a wave of patriotism, but now the mood in the army among conscripts is not high, as well as among free youth ...

[rotmistr60]

"transfer to or sell "part of the shares of the Nord Stream 2 operator" to the Ukrainian Naftogaz in order to Kiev could "earn"

Honestly, there are no words, only letters. The fact that this is cynical impudence is understandable, but even it does not fit into the Ukrainian logic (?) About the "aggressor". This is the policy: reparations from the Germans for the war, from the USA compensation for the "SP-2", Europe has to live, the "aggressor" is obliged to share shares. Have arrived.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rotmistr60

This is the policy: reparations from the Germans for the war, from the USA compensation for the "SP-2", Europe has to live, the "aggressor" is obliged to share shares. Have arrived.

Indeed, "the Jew wept when the Sumerian was born."

[antivirus]

donkey ears are not enough for ear.
but they will also be taken for jellied meat.

[Wedmak]

In Ukraine, they found a way to earn money

This is not a way of earning money, this is a way of weaning pennies from scratch. Why would they suddenly sell their share to Kiev? On what grounds will Naftogaz be included in the consortium? They can't even support their own, already working, GTS? !!! Has Ali already forgotten the annual New Year's negotiations to extend the transit? And what about the illegal injection of gas into their storage facilities?
Enchanting guys, they stole gas themselves, drove out their gas transportation system, they themselves dropped relations with the Russian Federation to the baseboard, put a spoke in the wheels of SP-2, and now they want to sit down and share the money !!!!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Wedmak

Why would they suddenly sell their share to Kiev?

In order for Russia to have another headache.

[Alex Justice]

What is the problem? They can invest in a project, buy shares.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Alex Justice

What is the problem? They can invest in a project, buy shares.

No, buy is different. The current ukrovlast and svidomity want to get something for free in the form of compensation is not clear for what. Most likely because they exist, exist and "love" the West (freebie).

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alex Justice

They can invest in a project, buy shares.

You can buy, but "Where is the money Zin?"

[sabakina]

Denis, what has the GTS to do with it? Have you already forgotten Lyonya Golubkova? And he also considered himself not a freeloader, but a partner!

[Wedmak]

Yes, here, as it were .. Lenya at least invested. In a pyramid, of course, but not the point. Invested, received dividends. And what did the Ukrainians invest in the SP-2? Calls for sanctions, howls, snot and claims?

[Xlor]

Let the cakes first jump for the amusement of the Muscovites ...

[Luminman]

Better to dig another sea!

[sabakina]

Quote: Xlor

Let the cakes first jump for the amusement of the Muscovites ...

What for? We are a blacksmith, ugh, you don't need fun. In the 90s, they laughed to death.

[isv000]

and for this it is necessary to do nothing at all - to transfer part of the shares of Nord Stream 2 to Kiev.

At the same time, Kiev does not ask for much, only "five-seven-ten percent."

Simplicity is worse than stealing! And they sincerely think so! ..

[ccsr]

Quote: isv000

Simplicity is worse than stealing! And they sincerely think so! ..

By the way, this idea is not new - back in the XNUMXs, they seriously demanded that Russia share with Ukraine revenues from oil and gas production on the basis that the citizens of Ukraine during the Soviet era worked on construction sites in Siberia and the Arctic, which means that we are obliged to pay rent to them from our income.

[isv000]

Quote: ccsr

which means we are obliged to pay rent to them

I immediately remembered Yuzovka, Dneproges, Odessa, Kherson shipyards ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: isv000

Simplicity is worse than stealing! And they sincerely think so!

Eh, if it was what they think!

[mitroha]

Quote: Luminman

Better to dig another sea!

and even better craters on the moon

[Asad]

Gentlemen, Ukrainians, buy Gazprom shares! I think in the future there will be more sense than from your mouse fuss.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: ASAD

Gentlemen, Ukrainians, buy Gazprom shares!

Is it free? Well, at least one share, for the ATO veteran.

[tihonmarine]

According to Bortnik, Ukraine can earn money from the launch of the gas pipeline, and for this it is necessary to do nothing at all - to transfer part of the shares of Nord Stream 2 to Kiev.

And Russia fled to give something to Kiev, and even for free.
And as it is not disgusting for the Ukrainians themselves, to receive handouts from the "aggressor country". Not once "she died, she died, the West will help you" (although there, too, the stupid were not born yet.)

[Troll]

The British have already told them how not to lose transit: "make prices competitive SP2"
But they do not hear the campaign.

[bar]

transfer part of the shares of Nord Stream 2 to Kiev

And more, more !!! And the main thing is free

[cniza]

At the same time, Kiev does not ask for much, only "five-seven-ten percent."

But what is already there, ask for a controlling stake and get exactly a controlling stake, just not a stake ...

[Lycan]

Hmm ... interesting idea. Even tracing (by official means), I think, would not be so easy if these lads had not spilled out ahead of time (in case the funds were transferred by unofficial private channels). Although .. intelligence, you know ....

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

America and the EU are obliged to pour food into the Ukrainian trough. Otherwise, Ukraine will scream. Better, slurp ..

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

[quote] Ukraine can earn money from the launch of the gas pipeline, and for this it is necessary to do nothing at all - transfer part of the shares of Nord Stream 2 to Kiev. [quote]

Can't give Gazprom to Ukraine? )))

[gleb kovalev]

freeloaders, but did you try to make money by working?

[Prisoner]

They also de-Sovietized. "He who does not work is not" is not for them.

[Prisoner]

Here are freeloaders, EPRST! Don't step on your lip when you rush for stocks.

[rocket757]

Another idea was put forward by a Ukrainian political scientist, director of the Institute for Policy Analysis and Management Ruslan Bortnik

... The further into the forest, the more the "bamboo" is!

[ConstantINN]

It is surprising that so much attention is paid to Ukraine on gas issues.
But there is silence about the fact that the United States is hastily lifting sectoral sanctions against Iran. Let me remind you that Iran is the second country in terms of gas reserves. In the world!
And in terms of oil, Iran can easily replace the Russian Federation in the world energy markets. If Iranian gas rushes to Europe, then North Stream -2 may be unnecessary. A and SP-1 may remain empty.

[VORON538]

will "rush" to Europe through Ukraine? Do not overwhelm the self-styled people who suddenly surged in with desire!

[ccsr]

Quote: ConstantINN

And in terms of oil, Iran can easily replace the Russian Federation in the world energy markets. If Iranian gas rushes to Europe, then North Stream -2 may be unnecessary. A and SP-1 may remain empty.

Walk wide, don't tear your pants. Qatari gas still cannot replace Russian gas in Europe, and Iranian gas will go to Europeans right tomorrow. First, decide on the route, and who will invest in this project, if the Americans have not removed the sanctions from them.

[ConstantINN]

Quote: ccsr

First, decide on the route, and who will invest in this project, if the Americans have not removed the sanctions from them.

The Turkish Stream is not so far there. Or do you doubt that Erdogan will miss the opportunity to annoy the Kremlin?

[ccsr]

Quote: ConstantINN

Or do you doubt that Erdogan will miss the opportunity to annoy the Kremlin?

No, he will always play against us, if only it will be in his interests.

Quote: ConstantINN

The Turkish Stream is not so far there.

And the Kurds too, who can spoil the picture of the work of this project.
But this is not even the point, but the attitude of the West towards Iran - so let them first be made normal, and do not allow Israel to destroy Iranian officials demonstratively.

[Cottodraton]

I am the only one surprised by the very fact that these gentlemen are confident that someone and something is obliged to them ... It's amazingly simple ...

[Pereira]

Another variation on the theme - give pennies. Not surprised at all.

[NF68]

That's certainly said about the wicked that they get richer with a dummy.