Will the pensions of military pensioners be increased next year?

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I recently recalled an ancient, still Soviet-era, anecdote about the officers of the Soviet army. But it turned out to be relevant today. In another state, in another army.

A retired officer comes to the social security service (the Soviet analogue of the pension fund of the Russian Federation) for a pension certificate. They write him this certificate for a period of five years.
- Why were they only discharged for five years? At 50, what: come again for a certificate?
Sobesovskie workers grinned. Nobody has come to get a second certificate.
It takes 5 years. A military pensioner comes for a new ID. They were surprised, but they were discharged for another five years. And lo and behold! Five years later, a military pensioner comes again.
- Man, please tell us the secret of your longevity. You are the first to come for the third certificate. Usually, officers, as soon as they take off their harness, immediately fall apart. And you are alive!
Pensioner, unbuttoned his shirt:
- And I did not shoot! And lovingly stroked the frayed skin of his own harness on his hairy chest ...

And I remembered this anecdote for a reason. And in connection with another deception of military pensioners. I understand that the times are difficult now. The government's spending is enormous. But I also understand something else: promises made at the highest level must be kept.



Even when they are given to the most patriotic and loyal to the state people. Soldiers, sergeants and officers of the Russian Armed Forces. Even when there is really no money. Or say bluntly: "There is no possibility, so we will index your pensions on a general basis."

How can retirees be robbed?


Today we will talk about how the military pensioners got into the situation in which the Russian government found itself. And they never came out. For several years they have been living in this position. Not a very comfortable position for an officer, by the way.

Many remember Law No. 4468-1 Art. 43 p. 2, which came into force on January 1, 2012. According to this Law, the military pension was paid in half. The declining coefficient was then set at 0,54. But the coefficient had to increase by 2 percent annually. And this Law was fulfilled.

From January 1, 2015 - 0,6212, from October 1, 2015 - 0,6578, from February 1, 2016 - 0,6975, from February 1, 2017 - 0,7223, from October 1, 2019 - 0,7368. And that's all. This coefficient is still valid. The government decided to freeze the increase in pensions until 2020.

I understand that it is difficult to understand the intricacies of the technology for calculating military pensions. And the overwhelming majority of pensioners do not even try to understand how this happens. Therefore, very few people take the value of the reduction factor seriously. Here is an example from one of the economic publications that will clarify everything.

“When calculating the pension, the following formula is applied:

P = ((OKD + OKZ) * 0,5 + (OKD + OKZ) * 0,03 * T) * k,

where OKD is the salary by position, OKZ is the salary by rank, T is the period of processing in excess of the minimum period required for assigning a pension to a serviceman, k is the reduction coefficient. "

For clarity, it is necessary to give an example of calculation. A soldier holds the rank of colonel in the position of deputy (commander - author's note) of a unit. His salary by position is 22 thousand rubles, and by rank - 18 thousand rubles. He is going to retire with 27 years of experience. This is 7 years more than the minimum established. He is assigned a pension of 50%, for each year of service, 3% is added.

As a result of retirement, he will receive ((22000 + 18000) x0,5 + (22000 + 18000) x0,03x7) x0,7368 = 20 rubles the colonel will receive monthly. "

Further, I think, it is not difficult to figure it out. Remove the coefficient and get the value of the pension that the colonel should receive. In this example, everything is clear. With a 100% value of the coefficient, the pension will grow to 28400 rubles. Perceptible? Naturally. But, alas, this year there will be no increase in the coefficient for military pensioners.

Ran too fast


There is one nuance that few people remember. I do not know whether this is the mentality of our officials, or whether there really were such opportunities, but the increase in the decreasing coefficient proceeded at an outstripping pace. According to the already mentioned Law, in 2020 the reduction factor was to reach 70%. In fact, we see 73,68%.

It is clear that on a national scale these more than 3 percent translates into billions of rubles. In the same way, it is clear that in the conditions of the crisis, which is caused by problems with the pandemic and the reformatting of the economy, this kind of money is not at all superfluous for the country. Everything is clear to us. Except for one thing - why not say it directly?

“Dear military pensioners, due to the fact that incomes have fallen, the above-planned increase in the coefficient cannot continue. We will try to fulfill the requirements of the adopted Law ”.

Well, at least so. Otherwise, some unpleasant residue remains in the soul. As if they are deceiving you as a village simpleton, from scratch.

Now the government is preparing the budget for the next year. Very soon the Duma will discuss the draft budget. And by November this draft will be adopted in the second, and maybe in the third reading. This is understandable, the country should enter the next year with the adopted budget. This means that the president must sign it in December.

It seems to me that, in spite of some activation of the economy, the defrosting of the reduction coefficient will not take place for another year. Consequently, another increase in military pensions should not be expected. Although, knowing, again, our officials, it is quite possible that they will be able to unfreeze in the second half of the year (the author's dreams).

What's next


Recently I went to the site "Russian People's Initiative" and saw interesting information. Initiative No. 58F70721 “Immediately cancel the reduction factor when calculating the military pension. Return the lost pension to all categories of the Ministry of Defense, Ministry of Internal Affairs, etc., starting in 2012 ”.

I read this initiative and it was then that I remembered the anecdote with which this material began.

Why?

Here is a quote from this initiative:

“Many retired servicemen are not able to work for health reasons, a huge number die before they reach 60 years of age. international duty, took part in hostilities, carrying out the orders of commanders and the supreme commander-in-chief, and this is the bulk of the military, from an ordinary contractor to a general. "

The problem exists and needs to be addressed.

And yet, if civil servants should slightly reduce their appetites, in particular, in the amount of pensions, then why does this not apply to all civil servants?

Why, as stated in the initiative, by the way, does the law not apply to the calculation of pensions for military judges, prosecutors, employees of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, federal civil servants?
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  1. +31
    15 June 2021 15: 09
    Pensioners are waste material ... What to spend on them, retired and in a wooden mac! am
    1. +32
      15 June 2021 15: 17
      The pension will soon become a military reward! They will be awarded posthumously ...
      1. +24
        15 June 2021 15: 18
        Quote: SERGE ant
        They will be awarded posthumously ...

        But they won't hand it over!
        1. +34
          15 June 2021 15: 22
          Russian, remember! Taking care of your health, you put the Pension Fund in a difficult position! Laughter through tears, and what else is left for us, if the attitude ...
          1. +10
            15 June 2021 16: 01
            Russian, remember! Taking care of your health puts the Pension Fund in a difficult position!
            Therefore, spend each day as the last. laughing
      2. +14
        15 June 2021 16: 39
        In general, in any democratic civilizational state, the LAW should rule.
        Therefore, in such a state, there is a direct path to court.
        I know, now they are sticking to me with minuses, and they will begin to prove that this is impossible in Russia, like "Russia is special to become."
        If so, then Russia is not a democratic state.
        1. +10
          15 June 2021 18: 11
          Eh, my friend, first of all, there is a well-known saying about the severity of Russian laws, which belongs to Saltykov-Shchedrin. Secondly, there is a popular wisdom that compares the law and the tongue. And what is Russia strong in? And it is strong in tradition, i.e. the fact that no matter how much the best wishes are invented, everything will remain as before.
          By the way, for a long time, working pensioners have not been compensated for anything, and no matter how much they say that this is a direct violation of the constitution, nothing has changed. The president has already promised to sort it out, but so far, he has been silent. I suspect that EdRo will hang this carrot in front of us by the parliamentary elections, and we will run to vote: perhaps the benefactors will return part of the loot. But they will definitely come up with something to stay with their own people, since for each of our six they have three aces in their sleeves.
        2. +2
          15 June 2021 23: 42
          And where do you see the contradiction.
          Everything according to the law
        3. RMT
          +1
          16 June 2021 09: 28
          There is no judicial prospect. They may not accept the application, and if they do, the decision will not be in favor of the plaintiff.
          1. +1
            16 June 2021 09: 41
            I do not understand, if there is a law on the increase, and it is not being implemented, then why will they not accept the applications?
            Although, I have been living in another country for many years, and I already have different concepts.
            But, read the last sentence in my first comment.
            Unfortunately, it is confirmed.
            1. +2
              17 June 2021 23: 46
              Quote: smith 55
              I do not understand, if there is a law on the increase, and it is not being implemented, then why will they not accept the applications?
              Although, I have been living in another country for many years, and I already have different concepts.
              But, read the last sentence in my first comment.
              Unfortunately, it is confirmed.
              What is incomprehensible. Every year the G. Duma adopted a law on the budget, which contains an article on the suspension of the operation of law No. 4468-1, which established an annual increase in this coefficient. Everything is according to the law (but in essence - a mockery). A law adopted later has legal priority (if the laws of the same level are federal).
        4. +1
          16 June 2021 12: 53
          Quote: Blacksmith 55
          If so, then Russia is not a democratic state

          Why are you running around with this "Democratic State" fig leaf, just remember where this leaf is usually attached. In the United States shooting blacks is a democratic state. In Russia, blacks do not shoot, not a democratic state ... I propose this way, for example, to determine the presence of democracy in the country. Well, or as in France, various performances (the same yellow vests) are dispersed with the help of water cannons and rubber bullets - this is democratically. In Russia, such special means are not used (the last tour will be piled up) - it is definitely not a democratic state.
          1. +1
            16 June 2021 12: 58
            I want to remind you that the article is about something else.
            And everyone disperses the demonstrations, everyone has their own method.
            1. +1
              16 June 2021 13: 11
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              I want to remind you that the article is about something else.

              And not about the "democratic state". And I already know very well about military pensions since 20.08. 2015 I am a military pensioner.
              Quote: Blacksmith 55
              I have been living in another country for many years, and I already have different concepts.

              Unlike you, I do not comment on what I do not understand. In addition to the salary by rank, position and length of service, there are also some increasing allowances, such as the regional coefficient ... I am seniority in calendars 31 years, 10 months and 7 days, in preferential terms (service in areas equated to RKS) 45. pension as of June 1.06, 2021 = 28 802,62 rubles.
              1. +2
                16 June 2021 13: 35
                I'm not interested in how much your pension is and how long you have been.
                He wrote that if there is a law on the increase and it is not implemented, then it is possible (necessary) to sue. This is the rule in all normal states. Even sometimes in Africa, I think.
                This is what I meant.
                If you do not agree, stay with your opinion.
                1. 0
                  16 June 2021 16: 13
                  Quote: Blacksmith 55
                  He wrote that if there is a law on the increase and it is not implemented, then it is possible (necessary) to sue.

                  From the beginning, find out what the law is, how it works and is fulfilled, and only then give your advice. And not on the basis of the article.
      3. +2
        18 June 2021 15: 34
        Dear Colleagues! What kind of pension (passive income) can a military pensioner have in our time? VP (military pension) + EDV (VBD) + NPF + GP (civil pension, insurance part, i.e. points), you can VP + your business (also good!) Under a lying stone, water does not flow! If you have retired and it doesn’t suit you, do at least something! You can knock on the keyboard, and endlessly talk about a small pension, but no matter how much you say halva, halva, it won't be sweeter in your mouth. And for heaven's sake, forget about your shoulder straps and positions. All have one rank - military penny. And life puts everything in its place, who has one gyrus and the one from the cap, and who has brains! Sorry if you offended anyone. Life is more complex and versatile. Good luck to everyone and achieving goals. wink hi
    2. +1
      17 June 2021 11: 10
      As one movie hero said - We waited, waited and finally waited. Another pensioner has died. All this is sad.
  2. +25
    15 June 2021 15: 17
    The President and the Prime Minister lead us fools to prosperity, plow like slaves in galleys, and we are still unhappy, all their decisions are wise and have a perspective for years to come, even if they, as it seems to us, are not correct here and now, this is everything from our shortsightedness and stupidity, as well as the lack of braces, sovereign spirit and imperial ambitions, in general, without such bright minds, we would simply disappear, a low bow to them to the very earth.
    1. +30
      15 June 2021 15: 20
      When I read in the news that they had caught a maniac who robbed old women, at first I thought that they had arrested the head of the Russian Pension Fund.
      1. +26
        15 June 2021 15: 32
        - The criminals who took possession of the whole state, and the state itself, who made the instrument of their monstrous crimes ...
        - You are crazy? For such words, according to the present times, they will give five years!
        - Actually, I am quoting Rudenko's speech at the Nuremberg trials ...
        - Do you think it will be mistaken for softening?

        (C)
        1. +6
          15 June 2021 17: 40
          Quote: paul3390
          - Do you think it will be mistaken for softening?

          laughing
          “Save Russia, she is dying in the hands of an immoral old man. His stroke of the pen decides the fate of millions. " This is the chairman of the State Duma, M. Rodzianko, said so about the possessed Rasputin. What did you think?
          lol
  3. +16
    15 June 2021 15: 32
    The topic is unpleasant, therefore, it has not been mentioned aloud at the top for a long time.
    Cheated and forgotten ...
    Shoeing other suckers is up to the neck.
  4. +17
    15 June 2021 15: 34
    And what should ordinary shtafirk do? Do they have less pensions than the military? My father-in-law is a miner, with a disability - 18 and free, a mother-in-law in hazardous work without disabilities - 000? Are they not supposed to? It's one thing when a surcharge for participation in hostilities, but when a person has served in a framed unit all his conscious life, or in an orchestra, etc.? Is he also a military man? or more deserved than father-in-law?
    1. +16
      15 June 2021 17: 37
      For many in recent years, following the results of "attestation" of workplaces, production by a wave of a magic wand has ceased to be harmful, plus it has been increased by 5 years. And they are going to raise the cherry on the cake even more. I did not live to see retirement, this is what kind of savings.
      1. +6
        15 June 2021 19: 34
        Quote: bandabas
        production by a wave of a magic wand has ceased to be harmful,

        Now we have gone further - the concept of workplace safety is being removed from the Labor Code altogether.
        1. +3
          16 June 2021 12: 26
          You're right. But the show is enough for the eyes and ears.
          1. +2
            16 June 2021 15: 07
            I regularly see this at work, on TB day. laughing And in fact the equipment of the 70s is being finished. Vekselberg rules.
            1. +1
              16 June 2021 15: 23
              If it is fair, the equipment is of course changing. Only the conditions are not special. Something like this. Accordingly, health does not grow.
              1. 0
                16 June 2021 16: 04
                Quote: bandabas
                If it is fair, the equipment is of course changing.

                In our country, it changes very limited.
                Fire alarm, instrumentation, and more.
                1. +1
                  19 June 2021 15: 24
                  I / O equipment, relay protection and automation ... With telemechanics a little tight. Our leaders believe that they have set, pressed the button, and this is forever. Typical representatives of the "pseudo-Komsomol" generation.
                2. +1
                  19 June 2021 16: 22
                  And everything breaks hi ... Moreover, what is being produced at the moment, hi .
        2. +1
          16 June 2021 12: 30
          By the way. Personally, in my previous job, harmfulness was removed back in 2008. But, the coolest thing is that there are additional days left for vacation (14 days) - for work in harmful conditions laughing .
    2. +13
      15 June 2021 17: 50
      Quote: Petrik66
      It's one thing when a surcharge for participation in hostilities, but when a person has served in a framed unit all his conscious life, or in an orchestra, etc.? Is he also a military man? or more deserved than father-in-law?

      I should be reminded that a civilian has every right to change jobs and
      the place of residence is at his discretion, and the military man can leave for exercises (in peacetime) and remain at the bottom of the Barents Sea, like the crew of the Kursk ...
      1. +1
        15 June 2021 23: 47
        "I should be reminded that a civilian has every right to change jobs and
        place of residence at your discretion ".

        So you mean that a civilian can do this while preserving his place of work !?

        If not, what's the difference?
        The military can do it too!
    3. +1
      15 June 2021 18: 57
      Petrik66:
      My father-in-law is a miner, with a disability - 18 and free, a mother-in-law in hazardous work without disabilities - 000? They are not supposed to?

      I think it should. Earned. I, too, have almost all of my older relatives (who are still alive) in the same situation, and my father-in-law, a mine rescuer-order bearer, including.
      So now, should military pensioners cut their pensions so that civilians don't get nervous?
      I will not undertake to explain in detail how military life differs from civilian life. The servicemen themselves understand this, and even "many bukaf" will not convey this to the full extent to a person who is far from serving. It is required to try it the hard way. And even in the Arbat district, not every service is a sinecure.
      1. +14
        15 June 2021 19: 36
        Quote: OldMichael
        So now, should military pensioners cut their pensions so that civilians don't get nervous?

        Maybe it's better to add civilians? wink
        1. +8
          15 June 2021 19: 39
          Maybe it's better to add civilians?

          About that and speech:
          I think it should. Earned.
          1. +5
            15 June 2021 23: 48
            This idea is correct
        2. +7
          16 June 2021 03: 12
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Maybe it's better to add civilians?

          Quote: OldMichael
          About that and speech:

          The point is that the military are entitled to an increased pension, because:
          A people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced to feed someone else's ...

          Another question is, on what basis do the State Duma and other branches of the government empowered by the people "invent" privileges in pension provision for themselves just because they were a member of the clan of officials? When will this right to calculate your pension according to one rules be canceled, and for others - to come up with a formula where the devil will break his leg?
          The pension should depend only on the length of service and on working conditions, where hazardous and harmful working conditions and work in remote areas, in the regions of the Far North and those equated to them, are taken into account (coefficient).
          The very purpose of the pension is the state old-age benefit. That is, the payment by the state of an allowance to a citizen who has earned this right by age or the established length of service, for which he can live normally, and not for belonging to a family or for the maintenance of a servant. It has been tested on personal experience: in the 42nd region, pensions of about 25 rubles a month are enough for a normal existence. Why the hell and why are pensions of this size established in the country for various figures from government institutions? For hazardous working conditions? For the fact that the official did not have the opportunity to move freely outside the office? For the fact that "after" he cannot go to the store without protection?
          Why do we need such a power that is afraid of everything, and first of all - of its own people?
          1. +2
            16 June 2021 05: 21
            Quote: ROSS 42
            The point is that the military are entitled to an increased pension, because

            I believe that the main thing for the military should be early retirement, and not the size thereof. Plus a system of allowances for participation in hostilities, conditions of service (such as the northern ones under the Union). But the base size should be like everyone else's. hi
            1. +1
              18 June 2021 00: 09
              [quote = Ingvar 72] [quote = ROSS 42] But the base size should be like everyone else. hi[/ quote] I agree that the "base size" should be the same for all civil servants (deputies, judges, prosecutors, UK, military personnel, etc.). But in fact, the servicemen were unfastened. And to be completely honest, there should not be two basic laws: on labor pensions (old age pensions); on state pensions (term of service pensions). There should be one law for all, while the pensions of civil servants (military personnel) should be "tied" in a certain proportion to the old-age pension or to the average per capita income of the working population in the country.
      2. +2
        15 June 2021 23: 48
        Have they been enslaved?
        Coerced?
        Or is it a conscious choice?
      3. 0
        20 July 2021 11: 05
        I agree with you. everyone chooses a profession. Well, comparing civilians and military people is, in principle, not correct. Those who do not know can not explain it. Try it yourself so as not to cry tenderly.
  5. +19
    15 June 2021 15: 52
    I understand that the times are difficult now. The government's spending is enormous.
    Find photos of yachts of heroes of capitalist labor on the Internet yourself. Despite pandemics, crisis-schmizis, Russian billionaires are growing more and more billions. But the poor get poorer. As for pensions, when the retirement age was raised here, patriots were happy to ride on the forum. Maybe they have a day off, they will come and tell that Zelensky has spent all the money.
    1. +17
      15 June 2021 16: 30
      Quote: Gardamir
      Russian billionaires are growing more and more billions.

      In terms of the number of dollar billionaires in relation to GDP, we are ahead of everyone else. And on the income gap. And Uncle Vova protects them.
      1. +12
        15 June 2021 17: 45
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        And Uncle Vova protects them.

        Aha! I'll try to rephrase:
        Our uncle is a dear father.
        Well, Duma is a dear mother!
        I'd rather be an orphan -
        Fuck such relatives!
    2. 0
      15 June 2021 23: 50
      No, they were quiet for a week, even Boris, 55 who fought for the fact that the president would save everyone, was "modestly" silent for a week, then fledged ...
  6. +15
    15 June 2021 15: 53
    Not for that in 1991 the Union was falling apart to share with pensioners.
    I am more surprised by our military, who are not yet pensioners.
    It seems that all adults are literate, but they are so naive.
    After all, they perfectly see what awaits them for faithful service, but no,
    and even risking their lives ...
    1. +2
      15 June 2021 16: 42
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      It seems that all adults are literate, but they are so naive.

      Young lieutenants have always been taught - you will finish your service, you will become useless, you will be a waste material and, it has always been like this, under any power, and it will always be so.
      It is better not to voice the current pensions of military pensioners, so as not to anger civilians.
      1. +11
        15 June 2021 17: 10
        Quote: bober1982
        It is better not to voice the current pensions of military pensioners, so as not to anger civilians.

        Then it is probably worth keeping silent about the salaries of officials, so as not to anger ordinary hard workers! laughing
        1. -13
          15 June 2021 17: 25
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Then you should probably keep silent about the salaries of officials

          Yes, that's right - why look into someone else's pocket.
          1. +8
            15 June 2021 19: 31
            Quote: bober1982
            Yes, that's right - why look into someone else's pocket

            And if the hand of the owner of the pocket has been in your pocket for a long time? wink
            And is it possible to call the pocket of officials a stranger if these people are supported by my taxes?
            1. -10
              15 June 2021 19: 46
              Quote: Ingvar 72
              And is it possible to call the pocket of officials a stranger

              Still, it is better not to reason in this way, otherwise you can lose peace of mind.
              If we start to find out the contents of the pockets of football players, artists, hockey players, comedians and other categories of citizens, then for sure, it will be possible to get this very mental disorder. All these calculations are empty, we must be happy with what we have, even if there are not many in your pocket.
              1. +6
                15 June 2021 20: 18
                Quote: bober1982
                otherwise, you can lose your peace of mind.

                I have lost it long ago, because I do not give a damn about what is happening to my Motherland and my people. And here I am expressing my position, and not written by the curator of the troll chat. The pebble is not in your garden, but there are a lot of them here, I think you know. Selling their homeland for the glory of EP and GDP.
                Quote: bober1982
                even sparsely in my pocket.

                And if you know, who "cleaned" this pocket in you? belay Sorry, pacifism is not mine. I'm used to hitting back after the first slap in the face.
                1. -9
                  15 June 2021 20: 30
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  I'm used to hitting back after the first slap in the face.

                  Tomorrow how will football end, with hot Finnish guys, that is the question, who to beat? But it is known how everything will end.
                  1. +4
                    15 June 2021 21: 04
                    Quote: bober1982
                    Tomorrow how will football end with hot Finnish guys?

                    It's a shame you don't understand the analogy. I don't watch football a priori. And you can beat with the truth. By the type of how Bondarenko does it.
    2. 0
      15 June 2021 18: 55
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      I am more surprised by our military, who are not yet pensioners.
      It seems that all adults are literate, but they are so naive.

      The fact of the matter is that now there is a serious difference between those pensioners who retired long ago and those who are now serving, and will retire in 10-15 years .. Just as an example, maybe not indicative, about the family of military spouses who live in a normal apartment, inherited from parents with three small children. The wife has already taken a military mortgage, for one son, the husband takes a military mortgage for the other son, so that after leaving the service, the children will have housing. In general, I know very well how senior officers served in the nineties, and what they received upon retirement, and how officers now live, who have salaries of 60-80 thousand rubles. and more depending on the position and rank.
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      After all, they perfectly see what awaits them for faithful service, but no,
      and even risking their lives ...

      Unfortunately this is true, but somehow not everyone thinks about it in their youth, and only then, when the choice is made, they seem to resign themselves to the fact that children can be left orphans. But this was also in the Soviet Army - I saw all this with my own eyes more than once. Apparently this is still a special type of people, whose worldview has been formed for centuries in our society, and for whom it is easier to die than being considered a coward and a worthless officer.
  7. +8
    15 June 2021 15: 56
    Most likely it will be like this
  8. +9
    15 June 2021 15: 56
    Often, people die not because of old age, but because they are useless. Many disabled people of the VO worked at our plant. Specialties were invented for them. It seems now - carelessness. And the man felt that the plant needed him. And now many technical military specialists are either out of work or work with low qualifications.
    1. +13
      15 June 2021 16: 33
      I agree. Many military specialties are not in demand in civilian life, and the watchman somehow does not ...
      My specialty came in handy even in our village and finished it up to 60. But here about the Law or the law of the State or the State. It's time to ask the guarantor if he is the Guarantor.
  9. +5
    15 June 2021 16: 05
    I understand that the times are difficult now. The government's spending is enormous.
    "This year was difficult for us" .. From the New Year speeches of the presidents.
    1. +1
      16 June 2021 11: 18
      Harsh years go
      The struggle for freedom of the country
      Others come for them
      They will be difficult too
      -dog heart and so for decades and generations.
  10. +13
    15 June 2021 16: 14
    This is a politician's fault to conceal and then ride over the ears with an air of importance, or just keep silent. I remember that the increase in the retirement age will not increase with it laughing He has neither decreasing coefficients nor age.
  11. +7
    15 June 2021 16: 17
    And the guys who still serve, what do they think about pensions? They also retire! There must be HONOR and tell the Tsar's people (officers) the truth! You can endure a lot, lies are difficult to justify.
    1. 0
      15 June 2021 18: 57
      Quote: SVM-01
      And the guys who still serve, what do they think about pensions?

      It's really interesting to know their opinions, and how they generally live on pay, especially junior officers.
      1. 0
        20 July 2021 11: 16
        I think they live better than young workers with a similar education. In the bulk, of course. In youth, it is always difficult with finances.
  12. +12
    15 June 2021 16: 20
    Did Sasha Staver forget about ordinary pensioners?
    In addition, the government's excuses against indexing pensions to workers do not stand up to scrutiny and are ridiculous. A person, continuing to work, continues to pay taxes, in contrast to a non-working person. On the contrary, they should be stimulated.
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    2. +3
      15 June 2021 17: 10
      Of course I forgot that a civilian in a position comparable to that of a colonel first needs to live up to 65 in order to retire, which will be 15-18 thousand rubles a month. And the comrade colonel will retire after 27 years of service at 49 years old and will receive 21 thousand rubles each. From 49 to 65 years old, a military pensioner will receive 16 years * 12 months * 21 thousand rubles = 2.3 million rubles.
      1. +9
        15 June 2021 17: 13
        Quote: Cympak
        you need to live to be 65 years old

        That is why the respected Domokles (the author) and Zyablitsev stand for "stability" and the damned West. request Its shirt is closer to the body.
      2. +3
        15 June 2021 18: 00
        Quote: Cympak
        And the comrade colonel will retire after 27 years of service at 49 years old and will receive 21 thousand rubles each.

        What are you talking about? My father became a captain in 1986. Until recently, he received about 40. Two years ago he died at 80 years old. Until 65, he worked in a vokhry at the plant a day after three
      3. +2
        15 June 2021 18: 36
        Cympak:
        a civilian in a position comparable to that of a colonel first needs to live to be 65 in order to retire, which will be 15-18 thousand rubles per month. And the comrade colonel will retire after 27 years of service at 49 years old and will receive 21 thousand rubles each. From 49 to 65 years old, a military pensioner will receive 16 years * 12 months * 21 thousand rubles = 2.3 million rubles.

        She will get it if she lives.
        In the USSR, they knew how to count. And if, with a length of service of 20 years or more, officers were sent to the reserve when they reached the age of 45 (colonels - at 50), then apparently there were good reasons for that.
        The anecdote was not born out of nowhere.
        PS
        Don't be jealous of retirees, even if you think they are getting more than they deserve.
        1. +4
          15 June 2021 18: 54
          Are there any statistics or is it all on your fingers?
          As if the production is full of places with harmful and difficult working conditions, and there are also dangerous ones.
          1. +2
            15 June 2021 19: 11
            is there any statistics or is it all on your fingers?

            Surely there is, but even without it, many colleagues and classmates have already been remembered, even of those who barely exceeded fifty dollars.
            1. +3
              15 June 2021 19: 39
              I know enough former military men who have lived for 70-80 years, even taking into account the fact that men live less. By the way, the front-line soldiers too.
              And I know quite a few civilians who did not live to see retirement.
              Personal examples of a particular person are not an argument or an argument. It just happened in a particular case.
              1. 0
                15 June 2021 19: 49
                Personal examples of a particular person are not an argument or an argument. It just happened in a particular case.

                So I did not offer any far-reaching generalizations, this is really personal.
                And I saw some "statistics" in the 90s, it seemed a complete nonsense. It argued, among other things, that after 10 years of service as an officer, a person receives irreversible deformations of the psyche, excluding his full participation in the life of society. And all this with an abundance of tsifiri.
                Although the changes in the psyche are undeniable, only they are not pathological, but rather constructive.
                Thank you for your attention to my humble remark - "+"
                1. +1
                  15 June 2021 19: 52
                  after 10 years of officer service, a person receives irreversible deformations of the psyche

                  this is manifested to one degree or another in many professions, but it does not mean that a person then cannot live in society.
                  just its own specifics
          2. 0
            17 June 2021 09: 35
            In fact, the anecdote in the article is not an anecdote. The truth is that the military pensioner was indeed given the first pension certificate for 5 years. If he came for the next one, then he was given an indefinite one. According to statistics, in the first 5 years after retirement there was the main mortality rate. If a person survived, then he had every chance to live up to civil retirement age.
            1. -1
              17 June 2021 10: 07
              According to statistics, the main mortality rate was in the first 5 years after retirement.

              can you give a link where you can see such statistics?
              and further. there is no connection with the term of the pension certificate. What is the point of giving for five years? what will it change?
        2. 0
          15 June 2021 19: 09
          Quote: OldMichael
          And if, with a length of service of 20 years or more, officers were sent to the reserve when they reached the age of 45 (colonels - at 50), then apparently there were good reasons for that.

          The reason was, and I think it is unknown to most of today's people. Already after Khrushchev's cuts, the Ministry of Finance in the seventies approached the Government of the country with a proposal to raise the minimum retirement age to 55 for senior officers and 60 for colonels. But A.N. Kosygin categorically opposed this, saying that the country's economy would lose the influx of a huge number of middle management personnel, which was formed from retirees at the country's enterprises. An officer who retired at 45 for at least another ten years, or even much more, continued to work in the national economy, in educational institutions, in administrative structures, etc.
          So in Soviet times, they knew how to value experienced retired officers, realizing that they are very valuable personnel with extensive experience as managers or practicing engineers and technicians. My classmate graduated from a tank school, and early retired as a captain, before reaching retirement, in the eighties he became the chief engineer of a car company and worked there for a long time.
          1. +2
            15 June 2021 19: 20
            In the seventies, the Ministry of Finance approached the Government of the country with a proposal to raise the minimum retirement age to 55 for senior officers and 60 for colonels. But A.N. Kosygin categorically opposed this, saying that the country's economy would lose the influx of a huge number of middle management personnel, which was formed from retirees at the country's enterprises.

            Really a very compelling argument! But, I think, not the only one.
            1. 0
              15 June 2021 19: 34
              Quote: OldMichael
              Really a very compelling argument! But, I think, not the only one.

              This was decisive - I knew those who were aware of those events, and prepared service materials even at the All-Union Central Council of Trade Unions at their request.
              1. +1
                15 June 2021 19: 38
                It was decisive

                Did not know. Thank you for the valuable (for understanding) information!
                Regards, Mikhail
                1. -1
                  15 June 2021 20: 05
                  Quote: OldMichael
                  Did not know. Thank you for the valuable (for understanding) information!

                  A.N. Kosygin rendered great support to the military when they came up with a proposal to increase the training period for officers from 3 years to four and five years in military schools. There was a struggle within the government on this issue, opinions differed, but it was Kosygin's support that played a decisive role, because he looked to the future and understood that these investments would pay off in the country's economy. Then only technicians in the Air Force were left to train for three years, and almost all schools switched to new terms of training for several years. But what is characteristic, the very leadership of the Air Force insisted on this - there were no positions in the engineering services for all technicians, so many were retired as captains, and not all could rise to the rank of majors.
            2. +2
              15 June 2021 19: 42
              Again, weighty, if there is a statistic, how many retirees work as managers, and who is in the guard or as a laboratory assistant or a head laborer somewhere in an educational institution.
              In those days, the level of education was lower, and those who graduated from the military school were quoted in civilian life, and even more so from the academy, if a senior officer. Now holders of higher education, moreover, specialized, and who made a career from lower levels in the profession, a dime a dozen
              1. +1
                15 June 2021 20: 47
                Avior
                Again, weighty, if there is a statistic, how many retirees work as managers, and who is in the guard or as a laboratory assistant or a head laborer somewhere in an educational institution.

                Sergei!
                Do you seriously believe that such statistics (if they exist at all) are publicly available? Yes, it can be obtained by the methods of opinion polls, and it will be (subject to the technology) quite reliable. Who from public or private structures could order such a study and for what purposes? Perhaps the CIA, for planning the next dirty tricks.
                The article deals with military pensions, the amount of which, often exceeding civilian ones, does not meet the standards that the state itself has established.
                Maybe we should go back to the original topic?
                Taking into account your previous comments, some of which I "plus", put a minus, even understanding the difference in "weight categories".
                1. 0
                  15 June 2021 21: 07
                  Do you seriously believe that such statistics (if they exist at all) are publicly available?

                  if there is an official one, no doubt it is not available
                  social poll is possible if someone considers that it is socially significant.
                  it is just that without these data, it is impossible to assert that either
                  The article deals with military pensions, the amount of which, often exceeding civilian ones, does not meet the standards that the state itself has established. Maybe we should go back to the original topic?

                  laws must be enforced, if they are supposed to, pensions must be paid, here there are no options.
                  in my opinion this topic was the original
                  but gradually it was reduced to the fairness or unfairness of the retirement terms and pension levels of the military versus civilians.
                  And if for the original topic all these statistics did not matter, you need to pay everything that is required by the law, then statistics are required to discuss the topic to which they moved from the original, then it makes sense to discuss whether it is fair or not. And this statistics cannot be substituted by personal impressions.
                  hi
                  1. +2
                    15 June 2021 21: 46
                    statistics cannot be substituted by personal impressions

                    Why, today statistics, like Honduras, worried you wink

                    laws must be enforced, if it is necessary - pensions must be paid, here there are no options

                    You can't argue with that! (+)
                    However, the performers do not go out of their way.
                    1. -1
                      15 June 2021 22: 31
                      Why, today statistics, like Honduras, worried you

                      in the context of the discussion
        3. +2
          16 June 2021 15: 12
          At 45, the officer's arms, legs, head are taken away? It can work. As a rule, an officer received a technical education, knows how to work with people, and lead. What other pension? Work, work and work again until the age of 65! Full of civilian specialties with more dangerous and difficult working conditions.
          1. 0
            17 June 2021 09: 41
            What other pension? Work, work and work again until the age of 65! Full of civilian specialties with more dangerous and difficult working conditions.

            Do you seriously think that officers do not work, but live on retirement? If so, then you probably work in the government.
    3. +3
      15 June 2021 17: 17
      The decision is obvious, that it is necessary to raise the living wage to the European level, and with it raise the minimum wage and pension. But our ineffective human-intensive production and 43% of taxes from the payroll fund are categorically opposed to this.
      1. 0
        15 June 2021 19: 48
        this is dangerous for those, then the average salary will not keep up with the minimum, and the difference in the salary of unskilled and qualified personnel will disappear, you get equalization
        1. 0
          16 June 2021 15: 05
          But don't be afraid of it. It is much more problematic when the labor of unskilled personnel is preferable to automation.
          There is an example of European and Scandinavian countries where the salary is fairly average. I like this system more than the Anglo-Saxon one, in which one boss gets like the whole team. He, like, is responsible. And the subordinates are not responsible for anything?
  13. +6
    15 June 2021 16: 55
    For whom they voted for, whom they support, so let them get what they were striving for.
  14. +8
    15 June 2021 17: 05
    Why, as stated in the initiative, by the way, does the law not apply to the calculation of pensions for military judges, prosecutors, employees of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation, federal civil servants? I agree with the author, why? And in Moscow, some pensions are different in Russia.
  15. +6
    15 June 2021 17: 16
    What will definitely increase is prices for gasoline, food, medicines, housing and communal services and so on, so on, so forth ..
    This is guaranteed with our guarantor ..
    1. +5
      15 June 2021 17: 30
      Much of the increase in prices lies in the excise tax on gasoline, which is shadowed by the increase in transportation costs, as well as in the deductions of "surplus profits" from the sale of oil to the mythical welfare fund. If in 2006, with the price of 1 barrel of oil at $ 75, the ruble strengthened to 26 rubles per $ 1, then after the "super profits" from the sale of oil, the state began to "cut", we have a systematic devaluation of the ruble to today's 72 rubles per $ 1 at a barrel price of $ 73.
      And a weak currency is beneficial only to Siluanov in the Ministry of Finance: he pays pensions and benefits in rubles, and that their real purchasing power is decreasing, this is a personal matter for each pensioner.
    2. +8
      15 June 2021 17: 34
      What will definitely increase is prices for gasoline, food, medicines, housing and communal services and so on, so forth.
      Therefore, he is a guarantor and guarantees that the rich will be richer, and the poor, poorer, and he provides these guarantees. smile
  16. +4
    15 June 2021 18: 24
    From January 1, 2015 - 0,6212, from October 1, 2015 - 0,6578, from February 1, 2016 - 0,6975, from February 1, 2017 - 0,7223, from October 1, 2019 - 0,7368... And that's it
    Well, I don't know, maybe the MO pensioners have a coefficient of 0,7368, and last year I was a pensioner of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, asked for the size and component of the accrued pension, so the coefficient was indicated as 0,6845. And in general, maybe I'm wrong, but since 2015 the coefficient has not been applied to the pension, the entire increase in pension is only due to the increase in salaries of current employees. And on the topic of bikes:A retired officer comes to the social security service (the Soviet analogue of the pension fund of the Russian Federation) for a pension certificate. They write him this certificate for a period of five years., so I remember back in the late 80s, our senior operative retired and in the pension office asked "what is it for five years? Write for ten!", and the answer to him: "you first live these five!" and as they looked into the water, after 4 years he was gone. Yes, only this year, three colleagues from the department with whom he worked were buried - young men 50, 51,53 years old - heart attacks, strokes, blood clots came off. We were retired for three or four years.
    1. +2
      15 June 2021 19: 42
      Quote: Captain45
      young men 50, 51,53 years old - heart attacks, strokes, blood clots come off.

      For cops, this is almost the norm - constant nervousness, alcohol, two packs of cigarettes a day. Here is the result. I have a retired underground friend. I quit drinking / smoking on time, went to the gym, and pulled me up. Thank you for that.
      hi
  17. +2
    15 June 2021 18: 28
    A retired officer comes to the social security service (the Soviet analogue of the pension fund of the Russian Federation) for a pension certificate. They write him this certificate for a period of five years.

    The pension certificate was not issued by social security, and not for 5 years, but forever.
    But a pension book was also issued (and also not by social security). Every month, when receiving a pension, a corresponding coupon was cut off from this booklet, just for 5 years the booklet contained the coupons.
    1. 0
      15 June 2021 19: 17
      Quote: OldMichael
      The pension certificate was not issued by social security, and not for 5 years, but forever.
      But a pension book was also issued (and also not by social security).

      That's right, that's exactly what it was. But in the social security it was possible to get a surcharge for refusing drugs, and get a bank card, which was at the same time social and which could be used for free on public transport when passing through the turnstiles.
      Quote: OldMichael
      Every month, when receiving a pension, a corresponding coupon was cut from this booklet, just for 5 years the booklet contained the coupons.

      I didn’t find such a thing, although I remember well such a paybook from the officers in force. But they were canceled, in my opinion, after the collapse of the USSR.
      1. 0
        15 June 2021 19: 22
        I didn’t find such a thing, although I remember well such a paybook from the officers in force. But they were canceled, in my opinion, after the collapse of the USSR.

        So it's just about the Soviet Army.
        And this:
        in the social security it was possible to receive a surcharge for refusing drugs, and to receive a bank card, which was at the same time social and which could be used free of charge in public transport when passing through the turnstiles.

        - this is much later.
        1. 0
          15 June 2021 19: 39
          Quote: OldMichael
          So it's just about the Soviet Army.

          I began to serve in the Soviet Army, and retired already in the Russian, and I remember well that such books were not issued for pensioners.
          Quote: OldMichael
          this is much later.

          In my case, it was 1996.
          1. 0
            15 June 2021 20: 01
            In my case, it was 1996.

            As I remember, I will shudder ...
            But of those friends of mine who stayed to serve (for various reasons: some with hope for the future, some from lack of variability), no one regretted it.
            But those who have chosen the civil path have found worthy use of their experience.
            Those who, at the time of the collapse of the Union, were not in Russia, turned out to be in the deepest opera. But a collection of such subjects is drawn to an epic novel ...
            And you, I see, have not lost your military vein for so many years! (+)
            1. 0
              15 June 2021 20: 34
              Quote: OldMichael
              But a collection of such subjects is drawn to an epic novel ...

              All this is familiar to me - I spent not a single comrade on his last journey after retirement. Some did not even make it to fifty dollars.
              Quote: OldMichael
              And you, I see, have not lost your military vein for so many years!

              Last September we celebrated 50 years of taking the oath - just the weakening of the mask regime was. We do not know yet when this year we will gather for the annual meeting, but we will try to definitely meet.
  18. +4
    15 June 2021 22: 05
    I have several friends of military pensioners, officers up to colonels. Nobody gets less than forty or fifty thousand. Some houses, apartments in Bulgaria are bought as summer cottages. These are not the most offended pensioners in the country. In addition to the pension, they are also obliged to provide an apartment in the city where he indicates, except for Moscow and St. Petersburg. The junior command staff (up to the ensign, the pension is lower), but still higher than that of the hard workers, despite the fact that the hard worker retires at 65, and not at 45, and is registered in the district clinic, and not in the military hospital. That the colonel would receive a pension of 21 thousand is a laugh. They are military pensioners who are the first to run to the polling stations to vote for power, they understand why. Today's military pensioners are people who did not defend the Soviet state.
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    2. -1
      16 June 2021 12: 34
      Quote: V.
      I have several friends of military pensioners, officers up to colonels. Nobody gets less than forty or fifty thousand.

      I have more acquaintances of military pensioners, and not all colonels in Moscow receive even 40 thousand, of those who quit in the nineties. There are those who began to receive more than 45 thousand, but they are paid extra for working in civilian life by recalculating the new civil pension. Although I do not deny that there are those who receive for 50 thousand, but there are very few of them among my acquaintances - he recently buried one, but he was not even 75 years old.
      Quote: V.
      In addition to the pension, they are also obliged to provide an apartment in the city where he indicates, except for Moscow and St. Petersburg.

      This practice was canceled back in the nineties - you just are not in the subject. Now those who serve in Moscow can be offered a service apartment only in the Moscow region. And only then they will only decide whether it will become his property and after what contract. But in fact, taking a military mortgage, you can build yourself a house in another city - this practice is now available, as far as I know.
      Quote: V.
      not in a military hospital.

      Don't be fancy - there are those in Moscow, and almost all of the retirees are being sent off to district polyclinics. You can get to a military hospital, but even then, if you get a referral, and this, with the reduction of military hospitals, is already becoming a problem. You know the story of General Romanov - how and why he was transferred from Burdenko to the hospital of the Ministry of Internal Affairs?
      Quote: V.
      That the colonel would receive a pension of 21 thousand is a laugh.

      Easily, if I got laid off, waited in reserve, had 20 calendar years of service, and even left with a small salary. But usually, now, of course, colonels receive more, although this promotion took place quite recently.
      Quote: V.
      Today's military pensioners are people who did not defend the Soviet state.

      Vile lies are people like you shouting "Down with the KPSS" and knocking down the caps from the officers who were inactive only because the USSR Government did not give the order to destroy the demonstrators, realizing that this would lead to a new Civil War. So say thank you that the overwhelming number of officers showed restraint then, and did not succumb to the persuasion of politicians, which in the end did not lead to much bloodshed. Well, those who wanted to "distinguish themselves" and shot at the White House were deeply despised in the army, and this will be confirmed by those who served then.
      I don’t know why you are spreading lies on this forum, because it’s immediately obvious that you don’t have close people who have served in the army for many years.
  19. +3
    15 June 2021 22: 21
    I don’t understand ... Someone expected something different from United Russia? They just don't offend themselves!
  20. +3
    15 June 2021 22: 25
    Quote: V.
    I have several friends of military pensioners, officers up to colonels. Nobody gets less than forty or fifty thousand. Some houses, apartments in Bulgaria are bought as summer cottages. These are not the most offended pensioners in the country. In addition to the pension, they are also obliged to provide an apartment in the city where he indicates, except for Moscow and St. Petersburg. The junior command staff (up to the ensign, the pension is lower), but still higher than that of the hard workers, despite the fact that the hard worker retires at 65, and not at 45, and is registered in the district clinic, and not in the military hospital. That the colonel would receive a pension of 21 thousand is a laugh. They are military pensioners who are the first to run to the polling stations to vote for power, they understand why. Today's military pensioners are people who did not defend the Soviet state.

    I heard a ringing ... What nonsense! I am a lieutenant colonel, the pension is almost the same as my mother's - 26 thousand. rub. 40-50 thousand from which finger have they been sucked?
    1. +4
      15 June 2021 23: 10
      I heard a ringing ... What nonsense!

      This is not nonsense, this is a training manual.
      It's just that the majority of those who served, like you, and received a pension, like you, do not react to such attacks - they have already extinguished their emotions. And, perhaps, they do not react in vain. Because these are the passages:
      They are military pensioners who are the first to run to the polling stations to vote for power, they understand why. Today's military pensioners are people who did not defend the Soviet state.

      someone will take it at face value. So, drop by drop into the skull, some more brains will be perforated.
    2. 0
      16 June 2021 09: 28
      So to speak, no offense. Now I have searched the Internet at the expense of military pensions. The average pension is 27 thousand. This is from a private to a marshal. Everyone who served in hard-to-reach places, was freezing in the north, suffocated in the mountains, sat in ambush, swam under water and on water in the ocean, flew and fought (officers) all receive a pension above forty or fifty thousand. Let me remind you that the average pension for hard workers is 16 thousand. I would be concerned about pensions and salaries too, for private and junior command personnel. The private has a pension of 10-11 thousand! Salary 17 thousand.
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        +2
        16 June 2021 20: 33
        Quote: V.
        So to speak, no offense. Now I have searched the Internet at the expense of military pensions. The average pension is 27 thousand. This is from a private to a marshal. Everyone who served in hard-to-reach places, was freezing in the north, suffocated in the mountains, sat in ambush, swam under water and on water in the ocean, flew and fought (officers) all receive a pension above forty or fifty thousand. Let me remind you that the average pension for hard workers is 16 thousand. I would be concerned about pensions and salaries too, for private and junior command personnel. The private has a pension of 10-11 thousand! Salary 17 thousand.

        You pass by again!
        Somehow you poorly "wool".))
        The last marshal D.T. Yazov died last year ...
        Speech in the article about the retirees of the Ministry of Defense who went into the reserve, dismissed at a certain period. They are more than others ... cheated ...
        "Average" is nothing! Like the average salary by region, like the temperature in the hospital ...
        ... All service in remote areas, in areas equated to the conditions of the Far North, on duty positions with the carrying of a DB ("combat duty is the fulfillment of a combat mission of special state importance ..."), length of service is 21 years, retired for health reasons , major, -pension 24 sp. with an allowance for disability, and if you move to a region with a more favorable climate, then the northern allowance will be cut ...
        And for five years he has not been able to travel abroad - he cannot visit his mother, his relatives, he cannot visit home (by the way, almost 7000 km away) ...
        ... Even for those who fought, pensions are not always the same as you indicated, - a lot of options are possible, - there are examples ...
    3. +1
      16 June 2021 12: 49
      Quote: mark_rod
      I am a lieutenant colonel, the pension is almost the same as my mother's - 26 thousand. rub. 40-50 thousand from which finger have they been sucked?

      Some of my friends in this rank receive even less, and then a few years ago they had a pension of 16-18 thousand, but recently they raised them and now they have from 24 and above. At the same time, in Moscow, all pensioners now receive 21 thousand, even if they received 12-14 thousand rubles in civilian life.
      So you correctly noted that he heard the ringing ...
      1. -2
        16 June 2021 19: 38
        Don't compare Moscow to a province; Moscow is a different state. In our districts, 10-12 thousand people count as happiness. Not everyone gets 15-16 thousand in the city. In the nineties, the military (and us civilians) were tempted with money - that the communists will be thrown off, capitalism will come and everyone will receive a lot of money. The colonels thought that they would receive, like in America, a hundred thousand dollars, doctors, teachers, engineers also thought so - after all, we are educated specialists, just how much they get abroad in capitalist countries. And what happened? You were brought out of Eastern Europe by the military like rams and left to fend for themselves. We were also laid off by closing plants and factories, dispersed collective and state farms. In Moscow, I believe the provocateurs knocked down the officers' caps. If the officer fought back, this orgy would quickly stop, you are such a military man. You are still afraid. You even sign under Nick incognito, letters or nicknames. Usually this is done by those who left for Israel or Germany and the United States, or local cowards.
        1. -5
          16 June 2021 20: 20
          Quote: V.
          In our districts, 10-12 thousand people count as happiness.

          In Moscow, many people are also charged with such a pension, there is simply another supplement, which is indexed, so it turns out 21 thousand rubles.
          .
          Quote: V.
          In the nineties, the military (and us civilians) were tempted with money - that the communists will be thrown off, capitalism will come and everyone will receive a lot of money.

          I don't know who told you such nonsense, but apparently it was an inadequate person. Almost all the military understood what all this would lead to, and no one followed Yeltsin, except for a few corrupt sycophants.
          .
          Quote: V.
          The colonels thought that they would receive, like in America, a hundred thousand dollars, doctors, teachers, engineers thought so too-

          Maybe you personally thought so, but the military people understood how they get their salaries and had no illusions.
          Quote: V.
          You were brought out of Eastern Europe by the military like rams and left to fend for themselves.

          This is thanks to such rams who shouted "Down with the KPSS", and they had to quickly leave Europe, because after the Communists left power, the country fell into a crisis.
          Quote: V.
          If the officer fought back, this orgy would quickly end, that's how you are in the military.

          You are clearly a dreamer and have no idea what was happening then in Moscow. It would be possible for officers to distribute personal weapons, and give them the right to shoot various rogues, but then people like you would have yelled that the military are killing you on the orders of the communists.
          Quote: V.
          You are still afraid.

          Dream, since it warms your soul.
          Quote: V.
          You even sign under Nick incognito, letters or nicknames.

          There are people here who know who I am, but you are not one of them. And the nickname is easy to remember, that's why most people use it, especially if they write on different forums.
          Quote: V.
          Usually this is done by those who left for Israel or Germany and the United States, or local cowards.

          You are an ordinary verbiage, and your surname may be fictitious, so not everyone believes you, a small town "brave".
          1. -1
            17 June 2021 19: 42
            What a stupid discussion of the topic. The old military are butting with civilian shtafiriks. Both those and those on pensions are rogue. Nobody will raise our pensions to a decent level. As Moses led the Jews through the desert until those who were born as slaves die out, so we who lived, worked, served in socialism will be starved. And civilians must be respected - they fed you, clothed you, provided you with housing and weapons, and are now keeping you in the army.
            1. +1
              17 June 2021 22: 10
              Quote: V.
              What a stupid discussion of the topic. The old military are butting with civilian shtafiriks. Both those and those on pensions are rogue. Nobody will raise our pensions to a decent level.

              But you yourself wanted to live under capitalism, that's why you are reaping the fruits of your "desires". Why should the capitalists raise your pension if you are already used material?
              Quote: V.
              ... And civilians must be respected - they fed you in the army, clothed you, provided you with housing and weapons, and are now keeping you.

              They were always respected, even some died for them. They just didn't think that their children could be left orphans ...
              1. 0
                18 June 2021 04: 04
                I never wanted to live under capitalism at all. I even have my party membership card and I always vote for the communists and am not afraid to declare it. By the way, I was accepted into the party in the army, although I was a conscript. I am perfectly aware of the pros and cons of both socialism and capitalism, and I want to live under socialism. Society still has to deserve communism.
                1. 0
                  18 June 2021 13: 04
                  Quote: V.
                  I never wanted to live under capitalism at all.

                  And I didn't want to, but the majority did not take my opinion into account, they wanted to live like in the West, not even knowing how the bulk of the population lives there.
                  Quote: V.
                  I am perfectly aware of the pros and cons of both socialism and capitalism, and I want to live under socialism.

                  The people in the majority do not share your views - I judge even from this forum. Although I understand very well what we have lost by renouncing socialism, and there will be no more humanism in our society.
                  Quote: V.
                  Society still needs to deserve communism.

                  I completely agree with this - we have not grown to this understanding.
            2. 0
              20 July 2021 11: 44
              I respected civilians very much, I thought that I was ready for anything for them, as if on an oath ... I retired, got a job - I was disappointed. The bulk of them are whining, there are few professionals. In general, I was disappointed, it began to come to understand why not all the army and the navy love, but do not strive there. But to discuss the retirement of the military, but to evaluate their military work is always welcome. wink
              1. 0
                20 July 2021 12: 14
                In my opinion, all pensions have always been discussed. The retirement school in the Union was 120 rubles, the colonel had 150 rubles, more in a position like a plant director, I don’t know the general. The village was the lowest. The salary was from 72 to 150 rubles. Lieutenant after school 220, warrant officer 280 rubles. (this is the Strategic Missile Forces). Not everyone who does not like the army and navy, is who is afraid of discipline and responsibility, is afraid of the sea, depth, work with ammunition and is afraid to fight. In principle, they can be understood. What is the claim to the Soviet army - that it did not protect the country from internal enemies and now there are external enemies around the perimeter. All who served in the Soviet Army will not receive decent pensions, they defended the wrong system.
                1. 0
                  20 July 2021 12: 32
                  The army does not protect the system, well, or not the system should protect the country in general and from external enemies. Your complaints about the officer corps should first of all be addressed to the politicians of that era. The army is a tool for solving political issues. They didn’t teach us to fight with our own people because of that and helplessness in this matter. Read how they tried to use military school cadets in suppressing protests and what came of it. The issue was decided by other law enforcement agencies with the best result.
                  1. 0
                    20 July 2021 13: 36
                    What kind of war with the people? An example with Beria after Stalin. These are the real officers - patriots. And what did the white officers defend? Its own system, royal. Then they were deprived of their lives not only of pensions. You should be glad that you receive a pension on a par with a highly skilled worker, they created and you defended. But it is necessary to defend specifically and not in general. We sat in the barracks during the coup, and then they kicked you out into the field, survive if you can under capitalism, and now you whine that your pension is small, you probably still live in Israel, judging by Nick.
                    1. 0
                      20 July 2021 13: 48
                      This is who the tsarist system defended and who was deprived of pensions, and who the Motherland to those with respect. I respect highly skilled workers. And now I belong to them. I don't like whiners. Everyone chooses his own path. And my pension is quite normal, though I also had to endure some hardships ... And I always specifically defended my country, not the system. You have a strange understanding of the role and mission of the armed forces. This understanding is for our neighbors with the letter U. Israel does not suit me, I do not like them for various reasons. I see that it seems to you that everything is from there. Goodbye.
  21. +6
    16 June 2021 01: 31
    "Will the pensions of military pensioners be increased next year?"

    What for!?

    What happens if they don't increase it?

    Nothing...

    So why?
  22. +1
    16 June 2021 08: 11
    In general, I do not understand why former military personnel receive more "ordinary Soviet engineers"? They served for 25 years, and we worked for 42 years. So what? It is clear that they spent part of the service under "certain" conditions, but I fed mosquitoes as a geologist in the summer and did not shave for months. Why do they have such privileges? All are hung with orders and medals ... We also have them, albeit an order of magnitude less. All this is wrong and unfair.
    1. -3
      16 June 2021 12: 55
      Quote: Angry
      Why do they have such privileges?

      For the fact that people like you, capable and smart, refused to go to serve 25 years in the army, realizing that there is no sugar, that's what they are paid for. Who prevented you from going to serve for such "privileges"?
      Quote: Angry
      All this is wrong and unfair.

      What kind of society on Earth was fair - can you name it?
      Build it first, and then we will discuss whether the military should be paid more, taking into account the two world wars in the twentieth century, which cost us a lot of blood and loss of property.
    2. Aag
      +2
      16 June 2021 19: 30
      Quote: Angry
      In general, I do not understand why former military personnel receive more "ordinary Soviet engineers"? They served for 25 years, and we worked for 42 years. So what? It is clear that they spent part of the service under "certain" conditions, but I fed mosquitoes as a geologist in the summer and did not shave for months. Why do they have such privileges? All are hung with orders and medals ... We also have them, albeit an order of magnitude less. All this is wrong and unfair.

      No, I'm angry from your comment!))) ... More precisely, from this: "All this is wrong and unfair ..."
      Well, we would go, serve ... We would not be a "simple Soviet engineer", but a military man:
      "All polished and ironed,
      A pistol is fitted on the side,
      Not a simple civilian x_r,
      And the Soviet officer! "
      ... Let's just start with the fact that not everyone who wants a medical commission can pass on admission, but many will quit for health reasons, or with a bunch of sores. ...
      And then, it’s not known at all where and how. Since you were a geologist, you fed mosquitoes, you know what the conditions are ... But after all, you were on parties, expeditions, probably without a family? on rented housing in closed military camps, at outposts, where there is no work for wives ... And children change several schools from move to move. Often, with a change in climate.
      And after retirement, for a number of reasons, many are forced to take root thousands of kilometers from their small homeland, relatives, friends.
      ... I agree, there are enough places in civilian life where working conditions are even worse ... But, let's not forget about the "standardized working day" (weeks, months) ... - a separate, perhaps, the main topic. moment the Motherland can send where it is necessary, and as long as it is necessary.
      Some of the officers live the best years of their lives only on vacations, hoping to live in retirement, as was promised by the Motherland at the start!
      And here is such a scam ... By the way, they began to cheat the Moscow Region pensioners long before the swinish pension reform: the benefits were reduced, monetized, followed by denomination ...
      Those who, in my opinion, limit themselves in little, even during the "service", even in retirement, are judges, prosecutors, etc.

      hi
      1. +1
        20 July 2021 11: 50
        That's the point. Make a decision and if you meet the criteria ahead. If you are lucky you will not die, you will not become a cripple, the children and your wife will not get sick, then your demobilization will "finish" - you will have a seniority pension in 20 - 25 calendars.
  23. +1
    16 June 2021 09: 08
    The presidential elections are over, everyone ...

    Elections in the fall are thinner, apparently, only they decided to give promises, without major changes ...

    Both the elephant and the social conquest of the USSR can be eaten bit by bit ...
  24. 0
    21 June 2021 14: 17
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    I believe that the main thing for the military should be early retirement, and not the size thereof.

    Go under the shoulder straps, serve for at least 20 years, during which you will live by order and you will be chased into the tail and into the mane, regardless of the time of day and year, and THEN you will consider what nishtyaks the military should have.
  25. -1
    6 July 2021 05: 52
    All promotions and promises come before the elections. After the elections, everything is "frozen". This is a national feature of Russia ...